November 24, 2024 • 54 mins
Ready to catch the latest buzz in local sports and beyond? Tune in as we unravel the thrilling triumphs and unexpected upsets from the VHSL playoffs, spotlighting key victories like Salem's against George Washington and Phoebus' commanding win over Churchland. We'll guide you through the highlights of teams like Sherando and Strasburg, and reflect on the bittersweet moments of supporting local teams despite some disappointing outcomes. Plus, take a peek into the high-energy playoff structure of West Virginia, where every game keeps you on the edge of your seat.
Next, we stir up some spirited debate about who deserves a spot in the NFL Hall of Fame. We passionately argue for legends like Antonio Gates, Steve Smith Sr., and Adam Vinatieri, while also giving some love to players whose brilliance often flies under the radar, like Fred Taylor and Hines Ward. The discussion gets heated and hilarious as we weigh Super Bowl bling and overall impact, all while playfully owning up to our personal biases and preferences.
Finally, we take a serious look at history and education, starting with the harrowing tale of the Tulsa Massacre and the ongoing fight for reparations. We shine a light on the gaps in school curriculums and push for a more honest, inclusive approach to teaching history, drawing comparisons to how Germany confronts its past. Wrapping things up, we blend history and sports by discussing NFL picks and the ever-entertaining team rivalries, especially the iconic Dallas vs. Washington showdown. Get ready for a mix of laughter, learning, and lively discussion that's sure to keep you engaged from start to finish.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
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It's the 24th, a few daysbefore y'all's favorite day to
eat a lot of food and watch somefoosball with the friends and
family.
But we're going to get rightinto it right now with my
brothers Wayne and Tony, onceagain our stepbrother Zeb over
there at work, but you know, gotto pay them bills.
(01:13):
So let's get right into it withthese local sports scores,
especially what's been happeningin the VHSL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
All right, all right.
So local scores in class four.
We'll just do the wholedistrict again.
Salem wins 24-3 over GeorgeWashington.
A shocker to me.
Sherando beats Jefferson Forest20-14 at home.
No shocker.
Phoebus destroys Churchland41-0.
(01:42):
Hampton 28-7 over Smithfield.
John Champa, champa, how do yousay that?
I'm not sure C-H-A-M-P-E, butthey win 41-21 over Woodgrove.
Tuscarora wins again 34-7 overLoudoun County.
Dinwiddie wins 70-35 over KingGeorge.
(02:07):
Verena wins 26-0 over Huguenot.
So that's hold on.
I'll go to Class 3 now.
I'm sorry, we don't want toforget Strasburg and Woodstock.
All that area, woodstock's, allthat area.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Woodstock's knocked out man.
I'm just saying Central,woodstock Central, sorry, but
Strasburg's in it, baby them andSherando's still in it from the
area, so you got to keeprolling with them.
Good schools.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, so we'll touch on them.
Unfortunately, me and Waynedrove all the way to Richmond,
to Virginia Union and Skylinelost 30 hold on 35-7.
38-7.
38-7.
To Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But that ain't unfortunate.
It sucks that they lost, but atleast y'all went down there to
show our local school love andthe little big homie Zayden.
So that was the whole point.
Just unfortunately it didn'twork out because nobody helped.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Zayden, you said yeah , so that's what we do.
And then Kettle Runs, squeakedby Armstrong, 36-34.
And who am I?
So that's the other localschools.
I'll give them scores realquick.
So then the West Virginiaplayoffs.
We can't forget about WestVirginia, you love West Virginia
(03:29):
.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
We ain't going to forget about it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're going to live a hop skipping, a jump away.
Am I right or wrong?
So Martinsburg I saw one big,if my phone wants to work here.
But Martinsburg won, springMills won 50.
I think they won 56 to nothingOver who they played.
But I'll find it here realquick.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Can they play each other in the state championship,
or is that impossible becausethey're from the same town?
That's a very good question.
Is there no other schools inWest Virginia better than
Martinsburg and Spring Mills?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So Martinsburg.
I'm sorry, so real quick itcame up now.
So martinsburg won 77 to 7 overparkersburg.
I I I'll just say I don't getthe whisper because it's like
every team makes the playoffslike I don't know I'm just gonna
say that, like they, I I don'tknow either, it's something I
gotta look at, but it seems,like you know, teams with with
like a 1-9 record are still inthe playoffs.
(04:24):
So Musselman lost to WheelingPark 43-0.
Spring Mills destroyedHedgesville 56-0.
Morgantown won 35-10.
Jefferson won 48-28 over CableMidland.
(04:48):
So their first round ofplayoffs finally started.
Remember they were on holdthere before they postponed
their playoffs due to aninjunction or whatever.
That was probably to do withall that player ineligibility
and shit figuring out recordsand stuff, because people were
getting their wins back.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So there's five areas that's still in it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Durando, Strasburg, Jefferson, Martinsburg, Spring
Mills.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, Hedgesville.
They just got knocked out.
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm talking about the teams that's still advancing.
They're going on.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Not Jefferson, I'm sorry, I meant to say Jefferson
High School.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I said Jefferson, martinsburg, Spring
Mill, sharando Strasburg.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
All right, cool, yep, so they're still winning
Tri-state area team.
I guess we will put it that wayif you want to Okay, yeah,
they're still getting it.
Good luck to all them teams,all of them hey Sharando's doing
the thing I mean.
They play, because All of themhey Sharando's doing the thing I
(05:52):
mean they play because yourmatchups next week will be.
Sharando plays Salem In StephenCity Yep, in Stephen City.
So we'll be there too thatFriday night, Yep.
So Martinsburg takes onParkinsburg South, and then
you've got Spring Mills playsMorgantown.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Jefferson plays Hurricane and Strasburg plays
who.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm going to find that right now for you.
You got to give me a second.
I got to.
The sad thing is I got to jumpback from state to state.
I love, baby, I love.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Zolo from state to state.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yep, you're asking Strasburg, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, the Rams, they still in it.
Hold on, what are they?
They're class two.
I have no idea, but they'restill in it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, my fault.
Yeah, that's right I forgot.
Sorry about we forgot the classtoo, because I forget.
I always think Strasburg'sclass three, the Strasburg plays
Buckingham, is who they playthat's it for those five teams.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
What about a team that's cross town from Hanley?
They just won a third statechampionship in a row.
Yeah who?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
was that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
James Wood girls volleyball team yes, congrats to
them.
I know they won three in a row.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's amazing, I know I know they won two in a
row.
This was back.
I know they won last year.
I remember we gave them a shoutout last year when they won,
but yeah, I didn't know thatthat was their third.
I didn't.
Yeah, that's, that's impressive.
So congrats to the girl and thewhole coach.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Except for that, that's impressive winning three
state titles in a row I thinkthe only time I can remember a
team in our area winning threestate championships in a row was
the hanley's girls tennis teamyeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I remember every day, every year in intercom I would
just hear Hanley girls statechampions, Hanley girls state
champions.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I'm like damn I can't even think of a team like
back-to-back in our area,because it's hard enough just
winning one in any sport.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah that's lit.
And what about the college upon the hill down there?
Oh, Shenandoah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so Chris is right .
Shenandoah, oh yeah.
And so Chris is right,shenandoah is doing big things.
There'll be like a bowl game.
You know, come up, what is it?
I think this Saturday they'replaying.
Where is that at?
In?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Salem.
Shenandoah's got to go to Salem.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yep, it's at the Salem football stadium, I
believe.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And they're nine and one.
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So they're not usually that good, real busy in
the Salem area the last fewweeks.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I know right.
What does everything end up inSalem for?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
all the time.
What college are they playing?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Huh, they're playing Salem University, or something
yeah, I think they're playing atthe university, not the high
school sale no, no, of coursenot, but I'm sure university.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Who's the opponent?
Is it roano?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
roano.
No, if some team they've never,never I'll find it they are
first off.
We'll say their record is.
You know they could break theirwins record if they win the
bowl game.
Everybody, you know the best,because they're 8-2 right now.
(09:21):
So they get nine wins.
That'll be their most wins intheir program history for their
football team.
They are playing MoravianM-O-R-A-V-I-N.
(09:42):
They're six and two is theirrecord.
That's who they're playing, Idon't know, but let's go Hornets
.
But the thing is they've neverplayed each other, but this year
they played the same opponent.
They played Genuata College orUniversity in Shenandoah when
(10:02):
they gave 62-27, and thisMoravian played them in 135-13.
College or university inShenandoah, when they gave 62 to
27, and this Moravian playedthem in 135 to 13.
So they played a same opponent.
So just to give you an idea.
But supposedly Shenandoah haslike a hell of a rushing attack,
like they pounded on what Iread in the article.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Any kids from the area doing big things right now
in the colleges?
What's Stephen Daly and themdoing?
What's going?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
on with all them.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I know their team ain't so good.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They haven't got to win for Stephen Daly.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Kent State's.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They haven't won when you watch, though you'd be
looking, They'd be playingIndiana and Ohio State and shit.
I'm like damn, they played inbig schools.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, they always on Division I big-time school
schedules Kent State.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think somebody we're going to talk about in a
few minutes went to Kent StateJames Harrison.
You may be right, I don't know.
You have to look that up.
I think that's where he went.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You may be right, so, yeah.
So, guys, that's all the localstuff.
Congrats again to James Wood.
You know volleyball team andcontinued success to all these
local football teams, you know.
Good luck in the playoffs andhopefully, somebody pulls out a
state title in the area.
That could be huge.
So somebody pulls out a statetitle in the area, that could be
huge.
So moving on, guys, our firsttopic we are going to talk about
(11:28):
the Hall of Fame nominees forthe class of 2025 in the NFL.
We want to give our opinions onwho we think should be in there
.
Chris brought this up, so it'sa loaded list for this class of
2025.
And James Harrison is part ofit, yeah.
So who's on that list, chris?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
On the whole list.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, the whole list.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Because we're going to give you the.
There's eight people that makeit per year and this year they
have 25 people and they arestacked.
The list is Eric Allen, jaredallen, willie anderson, anquan
bolden, jari evans, antoniogates, james harrison, rodney
harrison, tory hope, lukecleckley, elah manning, robert
(12:19):
mathis, steve smith jr.
Senior.
I mean terrell suggs, fredtaylor, earl thomas adam Steve
Smith Jr, sr.
I mean Terrell Suggs, fredTaylor, earl Thomas, adam
Vinatieri, hans Ward, rickyWaters, reggie Wayne, richmond
Webb, vince Wilfolk, steveWisgonowski, darren Woodson and
Marshall Yonda.
That's 25 people.
(12:40):
If you were to put them on ateam man, they would have gone
undefeated for like 10 years ina row.
25 people.
If you were to put them on ateam man, they would have gone
undefeated for like 10 years ina row.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Just to add to what you just said, james Harrison,
he did go to Kent State yeah, Ithought so, and he really didn't
even get recruited.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He was a walk-on at Kent State.
That's what's going to happenwith Stephen Watch Yep.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So big up to James Harrison for being a nominee and
a walk-on in college, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're right.
He took the long path that'sright To get to where he never
gave up.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That's why I tell all these kids stay grinding, man,
stay grinding.
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So, chris, you have.
You want to start with you Iguess You're right who you think
will be in it my favorite Titanever, Antonio Gates.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say think I guess who
you would like to see in yeah,my favorite tight end ever,
antonio Gates, somebody whoplayed on the greatest show on
turf, torrey Holt.
Somebody I was skeptical ofbecause of his overall game and
stats.
But when I tell people he's gotthe biggest trump card, when
(13:46):
people talk trash, that's eli,like he wasn't a man like that.
But you got two super bowlrings and guess who they was
against tom brady, who theycalled a go, who got seven wins.
Well, he stopped him fromgetting nine because he won two.
So I, I pick eli, I pick, uh,steve smith, senior adam
venetary that's a handno-brainer right there, hands
(14:09):
down reggie wayne, vince wilforkand t sizzle, t sugs that's the
eight I would choose if I hadto pick out of those eight, if I
was voting so out of yours.
If I took out eli, then I wouldput in james harrison.
But I got to give eli's propsfor being that QB that them
crazy-ass plays they came upwith and won two Super Bowls
(14:29):
against Tom.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Oh yeah, that's impressive, but I just want to
say this Out of your eight, Ihave three, so I have five
different ones.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Out of your eight, I got six.
Damn so great minds take a life.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Okay, okay, on that point we'll keep it close then
and go with.
Wayne, cause this will go agewise.
Tony's always the seniorcitizen on this show.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Shocking Cause, I'm gonna start it just like you
started.
Number one, my favorite tightend of all time, hands down
Antonio Gates Coming in atnumber two, the greatest show on
turf, torrey Holt.
And it can't be a sizzlewithout the T at three, and
(15:17):
that's Terrell Suggs I got mybig man in the middle to help
New England, you know, win sometitles.
Vince Wolford Can't forget outthe big boy from BMORE, mr Yonda
.
And hands down one of thetoughest goddamn small receivers
ever, steve Smith Sr.
Definitely got to go over withthe walk-on.
(15:39):
And now the nominee for theHall of Fame in James Harrison,
and it ain't Tucker.
Well, hey, it's got to be myman Vinatieri baby.
The last one at number eight.
Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I got to say the same three.
There's three that both of youguys selected.
That I did, but the other fiveare different.
So I guess, I'll start with thethree we have the same, which
means I know you don't haveYonda.
Hold on.
You'll see Because.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I know me and Wayne only got two differences.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So the three I got that we all agree on, Antonio
Gates.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I love Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, he was probably the greatest tight end of all
time he's up thereve, smith jr,senior or senior, I'm sorry, is
it that same?
And then, of course, adamvenetieri.
No to me, those three have to,in our opinion should get in,
but the other five I have,darren woodson, we knew that as
(16:47):
a dallas fan, you deserve.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
come on super.
But we knew that as a Dallasfan, Come on Super Bowl Not hate
, but we knew that you wereprobably going to take him A
little bias here.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Jared Allen, I love him.
Luke Keekly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Then I have Tony.
We could be funny real quickand be like Tony's like fuck
that, I'm picking the white guys, oh shit.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I did, didn't I?
It's fine, they're beasts, butI mean just statistically.
I mean, if you probably look atthat, you know they were the
best at their position.
I mean Jared Allen was afucking dog.
He was a dog Like dude.
You know my bitch, whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Jared, I have my best defensive ends when I was, when
we was watching it younger.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And Keith Lee was a could change the game.
Being inside, you know what Imean.
So all right, my last two, myboy.
I feel he definitely needs tobe an overlooked all the time
and underrated, running backFred Taylor, these would be in
the whole thing.
He's got a lot of stats, yeah,neat, overlooked.
And then I have Hines Ward.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hines Ward was a beast, they're all beasts, man,
you can't just get them dudesthat get in, but like you say
whoever gets in it'swell-deserving.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's just, I think those, those.
I just chose those eight and Ithink some for like.
I chose war just because I likethe way he played.
He was nasty and like to takepeople's head off.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
He loved blitz yeah he's the reason why they took
that block and back up the field, hitting people out of the game
oh, the blind side block yeahbecause he would do that shit.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who's the?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
best player on that list that gets in before any of
them in your opinion?
Antonio Gates, look same thing.
That's wild to have threepeople that all feel the same
way.
And guess what?
Because Eli do got two rings,vince Wilford and them got rings
.
T-sizzle got rings, some boysgot rings, but guess what?
Antonio Gates ain't getting norings because that stuff they
(18:51):
talking about with Deion and hisboys, they cheated back then
Eli's dad in them but he ain'tgoing to no San Diego.
Maybe if Eli was over thereplaying with Gates and them they
might have won.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And this is a great debate they had, Breeze.
It was just the Chargersdefense was some shit bro.
Breeze got hurt young.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Breeze got.
Just the Chargers defense wassome shit, bro.
Well, Brees got hurt young,Brees got hurt young.
They tricked it up and then gotrid of him to go to Saints.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
He went to the Dolphins, right Well they had
Phillips and Brees at the sametime, they couldn't decide on
who was the.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Brees got hurt so they let him go because they got
the rookie contract to Phillips.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They gave it to Phillips and the story Brees
went off to New Orleans and gothim a Super Bowl, one of the
all-time leading passers, eventhough Phillip ain't no slouch
either.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, he is a slouch bro.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I always thought Phillip Rivers was overrated and
I always think Justin Herbert'soverrated.
That's one quarter.
I don't know if that's a wholeother topic, but that's just me.
But yeah, and Phillip Rivers,man, he could air it out in the
regular season.
Yeah, he couldn't play at allhe could do that more than Dak,
but they regular season QBs.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, he stayed throwing 50 or 10 passes in a
game.
He'd always have like threetouchdowns, but you always Four
interceptions.
What's going on with it?
Like, come on, man, like theyshould have kept Breeze over
Rivers East.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
They didn't know at the time, so maybe I could be
like.
He might not deserve to getinto the Hall of Fame, because I
think Eli broke Brett Favre'srecord for most picks.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah.
Well, what I was going to sayis how does the Hall of Fame, do
they go over stats, stats overrings or rings over stats?
Because Eli's a great exampleof, okay, he won two Super Bowls
, but a lot of people say it wasthat defense, which, honestly,
I can agree, because that Giants, when they won, their defense
was-.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think every QB that's won two Super Bowls or
more they're in right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I mean he's going to get in, they're going to put him
in.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, he's going to get in, but Gates is definitely
that first ballot.
We they're going to put him in.
Yeah, he's going to get in, butGates is definitely that first
ballot.
We all know about Tony Gonzalez, but Gates really changed the
tight end position in the NFL,man yeah and Tony's already in.
He was originally a.
He basically turned basketballinto football.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He was doing basketball moves on defenders on
a football field man.
It was insane what AntonioGates was doing like in his
first five to seven years of hiscareer man.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was crazy.
I'm glad you brought it upbecause he revolutionized the
tight end, because originally hewas a basketball player and
then Coach.
A lot of them were.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Jimmy Graham.
That's what I'm saying, theonly person I would personally
be like you know what, ifsomebody shows somebody else I'd
be like all right, I'll let youhave that would be Gronkowski.
I don't think nobody elsebetter than my boy Gates.
Gronk was different.
I ain't going to lie.
That big boy was different.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But I'm here to tell you I don't know if Gonzalez
might have an argument- Becausethe guy.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Rest in peace.
Aaron hernandez, if, if hewould have just kept his head
straight and we wouldn't betalking about grump, because he
had better numbers and lessminutes, less touches, less
snaps on the field than grumpman like he was just like that
go-to tight end for the patriots.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, we all know about what grump did we know
they was gonna be together, thatwould have been the sickest
tight end tandem ever.
They wouldn't even be receivers.
The only receiver they reallyhad, wes was decent and that
slot receiver, but Mossobviously to me, him and Jerry
the best ever and Moss the mosttalented man.
Imagine you would have both ofthem together.
Because they had them togetherthey won a Super Bowl Right.
(22:23):
Imagine like you said, if Aarondidn't get hemmed up with all
that, whatever happened.
Legal stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Right, and it's crazy because, like he was very way
more athletic than Gronkowski,Way more.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Gronk was more just big piece, like built
different.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, damn it.
Yeah, he was just Gronk, justknew how to get open.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He wasn't the fastest guy out there, but he just knew
, but his size and strength wasdifferent Right, and then once
he caught the ball, like yousaid, the size and strength
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Once Aaron catch it, man, I mean he could probably
take it to the house.
We didn't see a lot of thatfrom Gronk.
You know what I'm saying?
Gronk was just running throughpeople, stiff-arming, breaking
tackles, but Aaron Hernandez, heput them.
Motherfucking cuts on you realquick.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, man, I just take gates over anybody.
I've always loved them.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
All day, any day, man .
I used to hate it, man, becauseI played fantasy football and
every time I played somebody andI looked across and I seen
gates, I was like oh shit, youalready knew he was going to
score two touchdowns.
You're right, go over 100 yardsand probably have almost 10
catches, man.
You're right, go over 100 yardsand probably have almost 10
catches.
Man, fuck around and give youlike 40 points in fantasy man
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Like I used to hate it Right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Tony, would you take him over Witten?
Oh man, hell, yeah, yeah, stop,I'm a captain.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I got to ask him though because, he's a multiple
fucking all-star pro bowler kindof guy.
And that's Tony.
I know it's Tony's guy fromDallas.
I mean that's cool.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I mean Witten made pro, witten did it.
Like Wayne just said, likeBronco, witten wasn't the
fastest, he could just get open,he just knew how to get open.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But we all knew that.
But Witten had stars around him.
Look, he's trying to downgradehis ability.
Yeah, we really got to stop andthink about what Antonio Gates
really had.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I mean, he had LeDain Lee and Kyle Thompson, yeah,
yeah, which is one of thegreatest Dude they had?
I get that Dude.
They were loaded on offense.
Come on now.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Come on now.
But Gates, look, it didn'tmatter, man, you could double
this guy.
It didn't matter, man, youcould double this guy.
If you single him, you alreadyknow what time it is, but if you
double him he was still goingto get a grand.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh yeah, I agree, that's it.
Yeah, I agree, you think Kelseycan be better than him.
No, I bet you can ask?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Kelsey right now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Kelsey already got like three rings man.
I think Kittle would be betterthan.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Kelsey.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Kelsey right now, he'd probably tell you that he
idolized Antonio Gates man.
I don't know, it just seemedlike a lot of his route running
and shiftiness it reminds me ofGates man, but I don't know.
I'd take Kittle right now overKelsey.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Like as of right now in the season.
Yeah, I don't want either oneof them.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You know who I'm going to take.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
The rookie from Raiders.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The dog baby, oh yeah , the Georgia Bulldog.
He leads all statisticalcategories when it comes to
tight ends man.
When it comes to yards, targets, catches Brock Bowers, hands
down man.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He's starting to look like one of the elite tight
ends, but he's built like a damnwide receiver though, but he is
like a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, you're playing the tight end position and I'm
hearing all the forget Dallasand Giants and everybody else.
I'm hearing Sanders the kid.
He wants to go to the Raiders,to the door yeah, I'm hearing
that's where he wants to go.
And on the sports talk showthey was like but you can't
force your way to go somewhere.
And then somebody was obviouslybrought up, the Phillip
(25:52):
Rivers-Eliot thing.
It was like yeah, you can.
And they was like but that wasthe Manning.
Archie Manning did that.
They was like Deion definitelycan do that.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Right, I ain't going to lie to you, Georgia.
They got two beast-ass dogsright there on offense in the
NFL man.
We can't forget Ladd McConkieeither, from the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They're the Georgia Bulldogs.
They got nothing but dogs.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Man, them two dudes.
I'm telling you their firstyear in the league.
Hands down, they showing likethey belong there.
Man, I think a lot to you, laddMcConkie.
He reminds me a little bit ofEmmanuel Sanders, for real.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I agree.
So for real, yeah, I agree.
So, uh, let's move on, guys.
So that's our everyone, that'sour hall of fame, nominees,
selections and our brothers withopinions.
So don't get mad and don't hateon all our opinions so moving
gates gates yeah, he's gonna bea future guest fellas.
(26:47):
Yeah, probably Never know.
So we're going to move on to.
We're going to talk aboutthings we want to bring up.
Every week we discuss thiswhere you know stuff that's not
taught in schools, and try tobring up history, anything you
know, to bring up to everybodyand open up people's eyes.
The topic we have come up withthis week is the Black Wall
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Street Massacre, or TulsaMassacre, and we're going to
talk about that.
So I'll just start off withsaying that the Tulsa Massacre,
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or Black Wall Street Massacre,was two days long and, of course
, white supremacists kk getwhatever, since people don't
know happened in on may 31st tojune 1st in 1921, when mobs of
white residents just destroyedeverything in tulsa oklahoma
right chris, because with gunsand torches and fire and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They killed and burned, killed all those people
and burned down everything.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, it's considered one of the worst incidents of
racial violence in Americanhistory.
All right, so discuss a littlebit about Black Wall Street.
Chris, you was talking about it.
What was all going on therewhen it was booming and blah,
blah, blah.
You can touch on that a littlebit, because, of course, they
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had their own community going.
I mean, it's out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They built up a neighborhood with about 10,000
residents and created all theirown businesses and everything
from barbershops to pool halls,movie theater, grocery stores,
restaurants.
There was doctors, dentists,lawyers, offices, like they had
it all they had their own cars,their own garages, everything
but Obviously man a lot of hatealways.
(28:42):
Yeah, you're right, so theyknow how these people came to on
the devil town and just waslike we're gonna wipe this out,
yeah it was and and those, thepeople and the remnants of that
that still made it.
They they didn't make it per seas far as like they thrived and
was able to keep going.
It ruined families and familytrees.
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It ruined all the businesseslike they had their kids and
their, their grandkids andfutures set up, set up for
success and to continuebusinesses and this and that and
hopefully build more throughoutthe country.
But that was just where itstarted in Tulsa and, to be
honest, yeah, them white folkswas like no because they didn't
want nobody to be the upper handfor some reason, when it was
not affecting them.
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I don't understand that, exceptfor the pure hate that people
had at that time.
It's hate for somebody of adifferent color.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it just shows you the pure hatred of a
different complexion, actually.
Yeah, so total I'll touch onsome of those like so total
deaths and displaced they have,which is unknown 36 total deaths
, 26 black and 10 white.
According to 1921 records, 150to 200 black and 50 white dead.
(29:56):
Okay, so 39 were confirmed dead.
So, anyway, so during thiswhole massacre, you know, which
is complete bullshit.
So, and I just thought that themassacre occurred on Memorial
(30:17):
Day weekend, yeah, is when itoccurred, just to throw that out
there yeah, that's probablywhen they called it memorial day
and then tell us some otherbullshit about why they call it
memorial day now yeah yeah, italmost to me sounds like the
government allowed this man well, it's probably because you
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gotta think.
Look, I'm touching on somestatistics here.
It says about 10,000 blackpeople were left homeless and
the cost of property amounted tomore than $1.5 million in real
estate damage and $750 inpersonal property damage.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
That's a million in 1941.
Yes, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, so it's equivalent to almost $40 million
in today's money.
Yeah, so, according, it'sequivalent to almost 40 million
in today's money.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You know all the damage.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
And out of all those people From that time, there's
only two survivors that arestill living in one's 109 years
old, one's 110, 110.
It's crazy Viola Fletcher andLeslie Randall is 109.
They were the last two of threesurvivors.
The third one died last yearand they had filed a lawsuit for
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reparation and the OklahomaSupreme Court dismissed the
lawsuit for the last twosurviving people of that
massacre, just shot them downand said there is no reparation
for that.
Yeah, because that's what I,and I kind of think that's
mind-boggling also.
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Yeah, you're right, because I'monto that now too, the
reparations from all this what'sthat they were trying to get
reparations from everything thatwas basically destroyed from
the massacre.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, all the people.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You can never get reparations for people that's
dead and gone.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, it says in 1996 , okay.
75 years after the massacre, abipartisan group in the state
legislature authorized theformation of the Oklahoma
Commission to study Tulsa RaceRiot of 1921.
The commissioner's final report, published in 2001, states that
the city had conspired with theracist mob.
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It recommended a program ofreparation to survivors and
their descendants.
The state passed legislation toestablish scholarships for the
descendants of survivors,encourage the economic
development of Greenwood anddevelop a park in the memory of
the victims of the massacre inTulsa.
So that was some of thereparations, I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, I was just saying , like the people that's dead
and gone, man, you can't bringthem back?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, they said they're family.
I'm saying in general, but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
How much money you give me.
If I just lost my mom or mycousins, my sisters, I'd be like
what?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Give me no money.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean I get it, but that ain't never going to bring
them back.
I'd be like man, get out ofhere.
Yeah, you're right yeah man,it's just sad man.
Yeah, but it's sad that theydon't teach it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But oh yeah, it said, like I said, we're bringing
this up.
You know about talking aboutthat and you know they talking
about that and you know to bringlight to everybody the shit you
don't fucking learn in school.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So that's the thing.
I ain't gonna lie.
I'm surprised they teachslavery and everything else.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And see, that's a good.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They teach it, but not to the full extent though Of
course not, but they still.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I'm surprised they still be like yeah, white people
came here, killed the nativesand then used black people as
slaves and we just built thisland up.
That's why we got everything.
They don't say it in that right, because we're little when they
teach us that shit, so we justunderstand a little bit of it
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right reality that they didteach us that.
So we, if we were smart enough,or our parents our parents
never talked to us about it.
I don't know about y'all, theydidn't really talk about all
that.
My caretakers didn't talk aboutnone of that stuff in school.
They was just like make surey'all do your homework yeah,
right.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So let's talk about that.
You know why.
Why isn't let's say that?
Why?
Why don't schools teach a lot?
I can say blackish, you know,because the curriculum.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
The curriculums are written by people that don't
want it to be taught, androckefeller and them changed
this back in the 30s, right, orwhatever the 20s, 30s or 40s.
In that time frame they changedthe whole system and everything
.
So the curriculum is only whatthey want to be taught.
That's why I'm surprised thatslavery is still brought up,
because they don't teach nothingelse.
The rest, if you're talkingabout black history, they only
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really talk about um from thosetimes, obviously, harriet Tubman
and then Martin Luther King.
They skip a lot of stuff.
They don't teach people nothing.
They don't teach all the black.
Everything in this country wasinvented by black people.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
They don't tell all the people that in these schools
To be honest with you, though,really, if they really taught
the truth, man, there would beso much conflict within the
schools between probably blackand white kids.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh, because they would just be the opposite.
It would be people would knowthe whole truth instead of the
lie.
Yeah, I'm with certain kids thatwere brought up differently,
but if they, would have neverbeen told those things, because
the truth was always told, thenit would be different.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, but they was.
Like now we ain't going to tellall that, we ain't gonna tell
all that.
We ain't gonna tell you, wejust burned down a whole town in
toaster, oklahoma, that wasthriving.
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Like they don't tell you that,right, true?
Yeah, I think they only tell usabout martin luther king
because they're like yeah, hebrought people together and for
some reason they chose him Iguess because he was so big and
it happened not too long beforewe was born that they couldn't
hide it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, well, shit, I'm losing my train of thought, but
what I wanted to say was abouthistory.
Right, like, think about you.
Know, in elementary school youlearn about the Indians and this
and that, but what do you?
What do they teach you aboutthe Indians?
Like we're freaking friendswith them.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
They don't teach you.
Why are they called Indianswhen they're from here?
Well, Native Americans, but butthere was nothing called Native
.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Indigenous hold on Indigenous people right so let
me be politically correct.
So Indigenous people, right.
Why are we learning in school?
Basically, all you think aboutis Thanksgiving, like, oh, we
broke bread with them, andeverything.
No, we massacred them too.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yep, it's a massacre celebration.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, we murdered you .
It's called.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Thanksgiving.
It's like thanks for giving usthis land did you know what I
mean?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
break the word down.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thanks for giving but they get against their own will
.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
They didn't choose hell, no and then like moving on
, and you know, then you slowlymove on.
The way you look.
The thing is.
A great example is theHolocaust right in Germany.
They put that out there in alike they have a memorial or
something, but I think in schoollike they don't really teach
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the Holocaust or anything.
They don't talk about that shitin school.
But why do we?
You know, because it's anegative image of their country
but we sit here and talk about.
Why do we want to bring it upyou know what I mean and teach
it in?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
school, because if you don't from your past, then
you're bound to repeat it.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
But, like you say, they teach it, I guess, but they
don't really glorify it.
You know what I mean, becauseit's a negative.
Look on them so, and that's thesame I see with girls.
Well, I, I understand that theybuilt a memorial and everything
, for you know the holocaustmemorial, so it's not like they
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forgot about it.
You know what I mean.
It's right there in front ofeverybody's face.
So, but yeah, I mean no blackhistory, but we don't talk about
let's just say we don't talkenough about the positives in
history there.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right, and it was a positive that it was a positive
black Wall Street that wasturned into a negative because
they burn it all down.
But they didn't teach that atall in school.
Well, y'all, you never heardnone of your heat.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Never did.
I didn't, I didn't know aboutno Tulsa or black street, black
wall street Do probably, I thinkthe first time it was like last
year, cause.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I did my own.
You heard about Wall Streetbefore.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, of course everybody hears about Wall
Street.
I wonder if you Google WallStreet, if Black Wall Street
comes up, that's even a goodquestion, but I don't know.
I stumbled upon it and found itjust being on the internet.
So yeah, you're not taught thatin school.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We're not taught a lot.
This is just one subject we'regoing to talk about, because
they don't like to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You know they'll touch on certain things.
Like you know, frederickDouglass and, like you said,
martin Luther King.
You know they'll talk about alittle bit, you know.
So those are the first onesthat pop in my head.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'll be honest, though, and I guess, in one way,
the only thing I remember himtalking about with his
presidents is george, washington, lincoln and jsk they don't
talk about nobody else, likeyou'd be like who's the 17th
president?
I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
They never talk about them right, we learn about
three presidents tops, that's it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
But look how it is.
It's exactly 103 years sincethen.
There's never been another kindof black Wall Street.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When they talk about them first Washington's and all
them in school.
They don't talk about how theyused to rape women, or none of
that, do they?
Yeah, rape women and they wereslave owners.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
They tried to praise them for whatever they did good,
because he was the firstso-called president.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, just like Christopher Columbus was the
first to sail right.
Shit, Fuck out of here, man.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I don't know why they teach that still.
Oh, he discovered, you can'tdiscover something that was
already with people living here.
He just found it and discoveredit for where he's from.
He's like, oh, look somethingover there.
Like they teach us the dumbshit and they still have that
dumb ass holiday, Columbus Day,and people will argue about it
too with you, just adamant aboutno.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Columbus discovered America you dumb ass.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
And it's because they believe everything they're
taught so that's what I'm tryingto say is, if you're taught the
whole life about the uh, aboutthe toss of massacre and black
wall street and slavery, thetruths and everything, people
would have had differentmindsets to win, like they would
have already been brainwashedand conditioned that way but
been told the truth about it.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So it would have been a real, real conditioning, but
they just put the picture andpainted the way they wanted to
be and if you was in school andargued with a teacher about
because she marked your answerwrong because you didn't pick
Christopher Glover, how am Iwrong?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's not the right answer.
She's like this is what weteach you also.
That's what we said is right.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
This is what they told us.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
You do it their way or it's the highway way.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
But I wonder if they ran across kids that you know
argue like me, you know what I'msaying Like to tell them that I
think it's ten times worse now,because kids have all this
information in their fingertips.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Of course, very true.
They're like I don't know whatyou're talking about, ms Dorsey,
like that ain't real.
Yeah, google didn't say thatand I didn't even do my research
.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Edison didn't come up with the light bulb and Bell
damn sure didn't discover thephone.
Yeah, but when you take thatmultiple choice test, you better
check those names, because ifnot you're not going to receive
100.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Right, jesus, that's 80% right there off two, two
answers.
If we look at it, see all thembs school things we do we can go
back and be like man.
Most of us didn't pass certainthings and some of us would have
been right when we markedthings wrong that y'all gave
wrong, because the real answerwas not what y'all told us.
And like you said, ain't noalexander, alexander Graham Bell
, these people use their nameoff of other people's ideals and
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creations.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah, I think his name was Joseph Latimer, who
created the lights, thetelephone.
He came up with all that manand he just didn't have the
money to put a patent on it.
And he was buddies with Edisonand Edison stole his idea.
Probably made him an ultimatumlike, hey man, look, let me just
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put the patent on it.
And he was buddies with edisonand edison stole his idea.
Probably made him a ultimatumlike, hey man, look, let me just
put the patent on it and thenI'll give you this.
And he never gave him shit no,like they kill people, man.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
They killed tesla and , but he ain't even black.
But they killed that dude andwas like no, because he created
free energy.
It was like I wanted to be freefor everybody.
They was like hell, no, killedthat dude and then created it
and made sure that we all had topay for something that should
have been free Energy.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah, man, when you start jumping out there trying
to be bigger and better than theactual elites, that's when you
get shot down, man.
It's a plain example of theTulsa massacre, man.
Black people were trying tobuild their community up and
they shot them right down, man.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
So, all right, wait, I'll touch on this real quick,
real quick, guys.
So present day you know BlackWall Street.
It can still be found todayunder the historical Greenwood
District in Tulsa, oklahoma.
After the Tulsa raceacre of1921, it took about 10 years to
rebuild the district.
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The historical Vernon AMEChurch is the only building
standing today that is a part ofthe last remaining structure of
the massacre.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
And is that church owned by black people?
I would hope so.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
It's owned by black people?
Speaker 4 (44:25):
I would hope so.
It's a good question.
Yeah, it's owned by god,because you got to think about
it, there's only two survivorsleft from that massacre.
So yeah, who owns it now?
Is it the children?
Did the city take over?
Like well, let's see, you know,it's a good, it's a good
question.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
They killed a lot of people from back then ruined
family trees, man.
Oh yeah the damage was done.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
You know what I mean.
It's like oh, we did what wewanted to do, so there you go.
It's like it's great whateverthey try to preserve, but still,
the damage is already fuckingdone.
You could accomplish your goal.
So, to answer your question,wayne, the AME Church is an
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African Methodist EpiscopalChurch.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Okay, Usually called AME.
You didn't answer my question.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
You said it was black who runs it.
Well, I mean, I guess you got apoint.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
You can put any name on anything, but who?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
does it.
It says founder Richard Allen.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Founder, yes, he is a black man Right Now is his
family member running thatchurch?
Not sure, I'm trying to findthat for you.
That's what I'm trying to sayGive me a second.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He is the founder of this church that still remains
the one last standing structure.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
But that's how we're going to wrap up the show.
Ladies and gentlemen, we wanty'all to go out there and do
your own research on differentthings that they don't really
teach us.
There's so much more out therethan that, man I'm trying to
tell you.
They lie to us.
We've been bringing things upand let y'all know about outer
space and about the earth andeverything else.
They lie to us all the time,man.
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They tell us what they want usto know and they don't want us
to know all the truths, becausethen we'll be on the same
playing field as them, and theydon't like that.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
My brother's right man.
So teach yourself Research,read, go to the library, man,
open up some books.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
They still exist.
I know Hanley Library is stilldown there, ain't it?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
It's still down there , ain't it, it's still down
there, it's still there.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
There's a lot of things in the library that they
just can't wipe away, bro.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
So go to your local library, you'll find a lot of
stuff, man, that just isn'tbeing taught in schools, all
right.
So us, as brothers withopinions, we're trying to bring
up a subject every week to openpeople's eyes.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
What isn't talked about.
They also say try to get bookswritten before the 1930s when it
comes to history, becauseRockefellers then changed all
the books and wrote history howthey wanted it, so they was like
you need to get books frombefore then.
So that's a hard find,obviously, to find them old
books.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
A question for my brother, tony.
I mean, you got kids that arein high school.
Next question to your kids isdo they talk about the Tulsa
massacre in school?
That's a question you need toask your kid.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, I'll ask him, but I'm sure he'll be like huh,
he can just ask Christian,because Christian's there in
school and then Christian can gothere and be like how come we
don't talk about that Exactly?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
But real quick.
Last notice if you ever noticed, like I guess the most
intellectual or smartest kids, alot of times in school that I
like they did their own research, you know some of them, I mean
obviously some were book smart,but you understand what I'm
saying.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Well, a lot of them, smart people that we went to
school with, most of theirparents were teachers.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Well, I'm just saying they were book smart.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
But yeah, they're, they got the.
They were just programmed andtaught.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
They just did get their A's and B, whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
But they had the, they had the encyclopedias and
the whole all that stuff, theBritannicas and all that all in
their crib.
Yeah man they, yeah man they.
Probably while we was watchingcartoons they was studying the
dictionary, man at a young age.
That's why they want to stepspelling bees and everything
else Yep.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Come on, I want a couple of spelling bees.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, in third grade.
Hey, it still counts who's gota dog and cat Three letter words
back.
Then he want a third gradespelling bee.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
But he won't.
It's weird that he won it.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
It got to my head, I thought I could chill the rest
of the school year.
All right, moving on wrappingit up, wayne got his NFL picks
this Sunday, for everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah, we're getting there, folks.
We're getting a little better.
Last week was 9-3.
Try to give you all a little10-leg for this week.
This week I like Tampa Bay tobeat the Giants, I like the
Chiefs over the Panthers, I likethe Vikings to beat the
Patriots, I like the Texans tobeat the Titans, I like the
Lions and a close one over theColts into Indianapolis.
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I like, let's see Denver overLas Vegas, green Bay over 49ers,
seahawks over Arizona, theRavens over the Chargers.
And my final pick of the week,them damn Commanders over them
Cowboys.
Oh shit, how about it, jerry?
Speaker 3 (49:23):
But I was going to say there's a lot of players out
Like I thought about that GreenBay Packers game real quick,
but Green Bay Packers Ninersgame yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Birdie's out.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Birdie's out for the Niners.
Bosa, I think, is out right.
Yep For Dallas.
Off the top of my head, diggsisn't playing.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
It don't matter for y'all man, y'all been fucking
what three, but I'm just saying,like a lot of these big games,
Well, Dallas ain't a big game.
We're out of it anyway.
That's always the biggestrivalry.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
That one in the Bears-Packers.
That's a huge game.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Steelers-Ravens is the biggest rivalry to me in
football right now.
That's new man.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
That I said right now .
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Hey, they're going to start tanking games, because
you're going to tell them what?
Shador and Deion no.
But I hate when people be likeoh, we tanking man, y'all
already been losing, so thereain't no tanking.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, I know right, we're not trying to make it look
good.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
We lost on purpose.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
This is dude, we suck .
We're not a good football team.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Dallas is horrible and you guys trying to get
Sanders next year, you seealready, act up a little bit, be
a little high-headed.
Y'all like that, I think yourboy might come to Washington.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
But who?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Mike could come with his oh yeah, he ain't going to
Washington.
I love how y'all want ourplayers.
You dog us, but it's funny howy'all want our players.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Look, you want both Deion and you done took our
coaches.
You done took our coachingstaff.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's why Mike is coming, because he loves to
coach.
He said it's been a bigdifference without him.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
But you see the difference.
Though I give you all props,I'll give respect where
respect's due.
Washington turned around,because what'd they do?
They got rid of their frickin'owner, Just cleaned house.
Look, you got Dan Quinn, whichproves he's a great coach.
But where was he?
Dallas?
But in Dallas it's a differentculture, because Jerry wants to
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run everything.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So what did that tell you?
They switched sports and gottwo winning minds and brilliant
minds from the NBA, and BobMyers and Magic Johnson.
They really make a hugedifference too.
They brought their integrals ofwhat they know and how to work
in the NBA.
They brought it to the NFL.
We had like 28 new players inthe offseason.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Hey, Tony, your hope is just for Jerry to get caught
up in a scandal.
Right, he's not going to.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
But he's like 90, man Dude.
Yeah, I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I don't want to talk about it, he was old when we was
born.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
He'd be looking drunk up in the press box.
Man Like the guy don't knowwhat's going on.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I don't even think he realizes he's at a football
game sometimes.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
All he's thinking about is two-stepping and
drinking whiskey.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
And he's riding it out to the wheels for a while
All right, guys, all right.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
That wraps it up for BWO.
Everybody enjoy their Sunday,the Dallas versus Washington
game, which will probablyhonestly, I think Dallas is just
going to get mopped today.
I'll just say that I thinkyou're all going to dog walk us.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh no, that's always a close matchup, man We'll see,
I hope it's a rivalry match.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
I expect a good game.
To be honest, we'll see, we'llsee.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
So, yeah guys, great show Next week.
I know we're going to talkabout, you know, local high
school basketball because theseason is about to start.
Hopefully I'm working on aguest for that episode to talk
local high school basketball.
So tune in for that because theguests will be a will be a
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Just let everybody know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, from SBCA we're ready.
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It's the 24th, a few daysbefore y'all's favorite day to
eat a lot of food and watch somefoosball with the friends and
family.
But we're going to get rightinto it right now with my
brothers Wayne and Tony, onceagain our stepbrother Zeb over
there at work, but you know, gotto pay them bills.
(01:13):
So let's get right into it withthese local sports scores,
especially what's been happeningin the VHSL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
All right, all right.
So local scores in class four.
We'll just do the wholedistrict again.
Salem wins 24-3 over GeorgeWashington.
A shocker to me.
Sherando beats Jefferson Forest20-14 at home.
No shocker.
Phoebus destroys Churchland41-0.
(01:42):
Hampton 28-7 over Smithfield.
John Champa, champa, how do yousay that?
I'm not sure C-H-A-M-P-E, butthey win 41-21 over Woodgrove.
Tuscarora wins again 34-7 overLoudoun County.
Dinwiddie wins 70-35 over KingGeorge.
(02:07):
Verena wins 26-0 over Huguenot.
So that's hold on.
I'll go to Class 3 now.
I'm sorry, we don't want toforget Strasburg and Woodstock.
All that area, woodstock's, allthat area.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Woodstock's knocked out man.
I'm just saying Central,woodstock Central, sorry, but
Strasburg's in it, baby them andSherando's still in it from the
area, so you got to keeprolling with them.
Good schools.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Yeah, so we'll touch on them.
Unfortunately, me and Waynedrove all the way to Richmond,
to Virginia Union and Skylinelost 30 hold on 35-7.
38-7.
38-7.
To Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But that ain't unfortunate.
It sucks that they lost, but atleast y'all went down there to
show our local school love andthe little big homie Zayden.
So that was the whole point.
Just unfortunately it didn'twork out because nobody helped.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Zayden, you said yeah , so that's what we do.
And then Kettle Runs, squeakedby Armstrong, 36-34.
And who am I?
So that's the other localschools.
I'll give them scores realquick.
So then the West Virginiaplayoffs.
We can't forget about WestVirginia, you love West Virginia
(03:29):
.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
We ain't going to forget about it.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We're going to live a hop skipping, a jump away.
Am I right or wrong?
So Martinsburg I saw one big,if my phone wants to work here.
But Martinsburg won, springMills won 50.
I think they won 56 to nothingOver who they played.
But I'll find it here realquick.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Can they play each other in the state championship,
or is that impossible becausethey're from the same town?
That's a very good question.
Is there no other schools inWest Virginia better than
Martinsburg and Spring Mills?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
So Martinsburg.
I'm sorry, so real quick itcame up now.
So martinsburg won 77 to 7 overparkersburg.
I I I'll just say I don't getthe whisper because it's like
every team makes the playoffslike I don't know I'm just gonna
say that, like they, I I don'tknow either, it's something I
gotta look at, but it seems,like you know, teams with with
like a 1-9 record are still inthe playoffs.
(04:24):
So Musselman lost to WheelingPark 43-0.
Spring Mills destroyedHedgesville 56-0.
Morgantown won 35-10.
Jefferson won 48-28 over CableMidland.
(04:48):
So their first round ofplayoffs finally started.
Remember they were on holdthere before they postponed
their playoffs due to aninjunction or whatever.
That was probably to do withall that player ineligibility
and shit figuring out recordsand stuff, because people were
getting their wins back.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So there's five areas that's still in it.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Durando, Strasburg, Jefferson, Martinsburg, Spring
Mills.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Well, Hedgesville.
They just got knocked out.
Well, I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I'm talking about the teams that's still advancing.
They're going on.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Not Jefferson, I'm sorry, I meant to say Jefferson
High School.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I said Jefferson, martinsburg, Spring
Mill, sharando Strasburg.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
All right, cool, yep, so they're still winning
Tri-state area team.
I guess we will put it that wayif you want to Okay, yeah,
they're still getting it.
Good luck to all them teams,all of them hey Sharando's doing
the thing I mean.
They play, because All of themhey Sharando's doing the thing I
(05:52):
mean they play because yourmatchups next week will be.
Sharando plays Salem In StephenCity Yep, in Stephen City.
So we'll be there too thatFriday night, Yep.
So Martinsburg takes onParkinsburg South, and then
you've got Spring Mills playsMorgantown.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Jefferson plays Hurricane and Strasburg plays
who.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm going to find that right now for you.
You got to give me a second.
I got to.
The sad thing is I got to jumpback from state to state.
I love, baby, I love.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Zolo from state to state.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yep, you're asking Strasburg, huh.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, the Rams, they still in it.
Hold on, what are they?
They're class two.
I have no idea, but they'restill in it.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, my fault.
Yeah, that's right I forgot.
Sorry about we forgot the classtoo, because I forget.
I always think Strasburg'sclass three, the Strasburg plays
Buckingham, is who they playthat's it for those five teams.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
What about a team that's cross town from Hanley?
They just won a third statechampionship in a row.
Yeah who?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
was that.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
James Wood girls volleyball team yes, congrats to
them.
I know they won three in a row.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
That's amazing, I know I know they won two in a
row.
This was back.
I know they won last year.
I remember we gave them a shoutout last year when they won,
but yeah, I didn't know thatthat was their third.
I didn't.
Yeah, that's, that's impressive.
So congrats to the girl and thewhole coach.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Except for that, that's impressive winning three
state titles in a row I thinkthe only time I can remember a
team in our area winning threestate championships in a row was
the hanley's girls tennis teamyeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
I remember every day, every year in intercom I would
just hear Hanley girls statechampions, Hanley girls state
champions.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I'm like damn I can't even think of a team like
back-to-back in our area,because it's hard enough just
winning one in any sport.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah that's lit.
And what about the college upon the hill down there?
Oh, Shenandoah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
And so Chris is right .
Shenandoah, oh yeah.
And so Chris is right,shenandoah is doing big things.
There'll be like a bowl game.
You know, come up, what is it?
I think this Saturday they'replaying.
Where is that at?
In?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Salem.
Shenandoah's got to go to Salem.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yep, it's at the Salem football stadium, I
believe.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
And they're nine and one.
That's amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So they're not usually that good, real busy in
the Salem area the last fewweeks.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I know right.
What does everything end up inSalem for?
Speaker 2 (08:38):
all the time.
What college are they playing?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Huh, they're playing Salem University, or something
yeah, I think they're playing atthe university, not the high
school sale no, no, of coursenot, but I'm sure university.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Who's the opponent?
Is it roano?
Speaker 3 (08:57):
roano.
No, if some team they've never,never I'll find it they are
first off.
We'll say their record is.
You know they could break theirwins record if they win the
bowl game.
Everybody, you know the best,because they're 8-2 right now.
(09:21):
So they get nine wins.
That'll be their most wins intheir program history for their
football team.
They are playing MoravianM-O-R-A-V-I-N.
(09:42):
They're six and two is theirrecord.
That's who they're playing, Idon't know, but let's go Hornets
.
But the thing is they've neverplayed each other, but this year
they played the same opponent.
They played Genuata College orUniversity in Shenandoah when
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they gave 62-27, and thisMoravian played them in 135-13.
College or university inShenandoah, when they gave 62 to
27, and this Moravian playedthem in 135 to 13.
So they played a same opponent.
So just to give you an idea.
But supposedly Shenandoah haslike a hell of a rushing attack,
like they pounded on what Iread in the article.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Any kids from the area doing big things right now
in the colleges?
What's Stephen Daly and themdoing?
What's going?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
on with all them.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I know their team ain't so good.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They haven't got to win for Stephen Daly.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Kent State's.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
They haven't won when you watch, though you'd be
looking, They'd be playingIndiana and Ohio State and shit.
I'm like damn, they played inbig schools.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, they always on Division I big-time school
schedules Kent State.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think somebody we're going to talk about in a
few minutes went to Kent StateJames Harrison.
You may be right, I don't know.
You have to look that up.
I think that's where he went.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You may be right, so, yeah.
So, guys, that's all the localstuff.
Congrats again to James Wood.
You know volleyball team andcontinued success to all these
local football teams, you know.
Good luck in the playoffs andhopefully, somebody pulls out a
state title in the area.
That could be huge.
So somebody pulls out a statetitle in the area, that could be
huge.
So moving on, guys, our firsttopic we are going to talk about
(11:28):
the Hall of Fame nominees forthe class of 2025 in the NFL.
We want to give our opinions onwho we think should be in there
.
Chris brought this up, so it'sa loaded list for this class of
2025.
And James Harrison is part ofit, yeah.
So who's on that list, chris?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
On the whole list.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah, the whole list.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Because we're going to give you the.
There's eight people that makeit per year and this year they
have 25 people and they arestacked.
The list is Eric Allen, jaredallen, willie anderson, anquan
bolden, jari evans, antoniogates, james harrison, rodney
harrison, tory hope, lukecleckley, elah manning, robert
(12:19):
mathis, steve smith jr.
Senior.
I mean terrell suggs, fredtaylor, earl thomas adam Steve
Smith Jr, sr.
I mean Terrell Suggs, fredTaylor, earl Thomas, adam
Vinatieri, hans Ward, rickyWaters, reggie Wayne, richmond
Webb, vince Wilfolk, steveWisgonowski, darren Woodson and
Marshall Yonda.
That's 25 people.
(12:40):
If you were to put them on ateam man, they would have gone
undefeated for like 10 years ina row.
25 people.
If you were to put them on ateam man, they would have gone
undefeated for like 10 years ina row.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Just to add to what you just said, james Harrison,
he did go to Kent State yeah, Ithought so, and he really didn't
even get recruited.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He was a walk-on at Kent State.
That's what's going to happenwith Stephen Watch Yep.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
So big up to James Harrison for being a nominee and
a walk-on in college, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You're right.
He took the long path that'sright To get to where he never
gave up.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
That's why I tell all these kids stay grinding, man,
stay grinding.
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
So, chris, you have.
You want to start with you Iguess You're right who you think
will be in it my favorite Titanever, Antonio Gates.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say think I guess who
you would like to see in yeah,my favorite tight end ever,
antonio Gates, somebody whoplayed on the greatest show on
turf, torrey Holt.
Somebody I was skeptical ofbecause of his overall game and
stats.
But when I tell people he's gotthe biggest trump card, when
(13:46):
people talk trash, that's eli,like he wasn't a man like that.
But you got two super bowlrings and guess who they was
against tom brady, who theycalled a go, who got seven wins.
Well, he stopped him fromgetting nine because he won two.
So I, I pick eli, I pick, uh,steve smith, senior adam
venetary that's a handno-brainer right there, hands
(14:09):
down reggie wayne, vince wilforkand t sizzle, t sugs that's the
eight I would choose if I hadto pick out of those eight, if I
was voting so out of yours.
If I took out eli, then I wouldput in james harrison.
But I got to give eli's propsfor being that QB that them
crazy-ass plays they came upwith and won two Super Bowls
(14:29):
against Tom.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Oh yeah, that's impressive, but I just want to
say this Out of your eight, Ihave three, so I have five
different ones.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Out of your eight, I got six.
Damn so great minds take a life.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Okay, okay, on that point we'll keep it close then
and go with.
Wayne, cause this will go agewise.
Tony's always the seniorcitizen on this show.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Shocking Cause, I'm gonna start it just like you
started.
Number one, my favorite tightend of all time, hands down
Antonio Gates Coming in atnumber two, the greatest show on
turf, torrey Holt.
And it can't be a sizzlewithout the T at three, and
(15:17):
that's Terrell Suggs I got mybig man in the middle to help
New England, you know, win sometitles.
Vince Wolford Can't forget outthe big boy from BMORE, mr Yonda
.
And hands down one of thetoughest goddamn small receivers
ever, steve Smith Sr.
Definitely got to go over withthe walk-on.
(15:39):
And now the nominee for theHall of Fame in James Harrison,
and it ain't Tucker.
Well, hey, it's got to be myman Vinatieri baby.
The last one at number eight.
Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I got to say the same three.
There's three that both of youguys selected.
That I did, but the other fiveare different.
So I guess, I'll start with thethree we have the same, which
means I know you don't haveYonda.
Hold on.
You'll see Because.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I know me and Wayne only got two differences.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
So the three I got that we all agree on, Antonio
Gates.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I love Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yeah, he was probably the greatest tight end of all
time he's up thereve, smith jr,senior or senior, I'm sorry, is
it that same?
And then, of course, adamvenetieri.
No to me, those three have to,in our opinion should get in,
but the other five I have,darren woodson, we knew that as
(16:47):
a dallas fan, you deserve.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
come on super.
But we knew that as a Dallasfan, Come on Super Bowl Not hate
, but we knew that you wereprobably going to take him A
little bias here.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Jared Allen, I love him.
Luke Keekly.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Then I have Tony.
We could be funny real quickand be like Tony's like fuck
that, I'm picking the white guys, oh shit.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
I did, didn't I?
It's fine, they're beasts, butI mean just statistically.
I mean, if you probably look atthat, you know they were the
best at their position.
I mean Jared Allen was afucking dog.
He was a dog Like dude.
You know my bitch, whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Jared, I have my best defensive ends when I was, when
we was watching it younger.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And Keith Lee was a could change the game.
Being inside, you know what Imean.
So all right, my last two, myboy.
I feel he definitely needs tobe an overlooked all the time
and underrated, running backFred Taylor, these would be in
the whole thing.
He's got a lot of stats, yeah,neat, overlooked.
And then I have Hines Ward.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hines Ward was a beast, they're all beasts, man,
you can't just get them dudesthat get in, but like you say
whoever gets in it'swell-deserving.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It's just, I think those, those.
I just chose those eight and Ithink some for like.
I chose war just because I likethe way he played.
He was nasty and like to takepeople's head off.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
He loved blitz yeah he's the reason why they took
that block and back up the field, hitting people out of the game
oh, the blind side block yeahbecause he would do that shit.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Who's the?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
best player on that list that gets in before any of
them in your opinion?
Antonio Gates, look same thing.
That's wild to have threepeople that all feel the same
way.
And guess what?
Because Eli do got two rings,vince Wilford and them got rings
.
T-sizzle got rings, some boysgot rings, but guess what?
Antonio Gates ain't getting norings because that stuff they
(18:51):
talking about with Deion and hisboys, they cheated back then
Eli's dad in them but he ain'tgoing to no San Diego.
Maybe if Eli was over thereplaying with Gates and them they
might have won.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
And this is a great debate they had, Breeze.
It was just the Chargersdefense was some shit bro.
Breeze got hurt young.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Breeze got.
Just the Chargers defense wassome shit, bro.
Well, Brees got hurt young,Brees got hurt young.
They tricked it up and then gotrid of him to go to Saints.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
He went to the Dolphins, right Well they had
Phillips and Brees at the sametime, they couldn't decide on
who was the.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Brees got hurt so they let him go because they got
the rookie contract to Phillips.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
They gave it to Phillips and the story Brees
went off to New Orleans and gothim a Super Bowl, one of the
all-time leading passers, eventhough Phillip ain't no slouch
either.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, he is a slouch bro.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I always thought Phillip Rivers was overrated and
I always think Justin Herbert'soverrated.
That's one quarter.
I don't know if that's a wholeother topic, but that's just me.
But yeah, and Phillip Rivers,man, he could air it out in the
regular season.
Yeah, he couldn't play at allhe could do that more than Dak,
but they regular season QBs.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, he stayed throwing 50 or 10 passes in a
game.
He'd always have like threetouchdowns, but you always Four
interceptions.
What's going on with it?
Like, come on, man, like theyshould have kept Breeze over
Rivers East.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
They didn't know at the time, so maybe I could be
like.
He might not deserve to getinto the Hall of Fame, because I
think Eli broke Brett Favre'srecord for most picks.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah.
Well, what I was going to sayis how does the Hall of Fame, do
they go over stats, stats overrings or rings over stats?
Because Eli's a great exampleof, okay, he won two Super Bowls
, but a lot of people say it wasthat defense, which, honestly,
I can agree, because that Giants, when they won, their defense
was-.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I think every QB that's won two Super Bowls or
more they're in right.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I mean he's going to get in, they're going to put him
in.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
Yeah, he's going to get in, but Gates is definitely
that first ballot.
We they're going to put him in.
Yeah, he's going to get in, butGates is definitely that first
ballot.
We all know about Tony Gonzalez, but Gates really changed the
tight end position in the NFL,man yeah and Tony's already in.
He was originally a.
He basically turned basketballinto football.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
He was doing basketball moves on defenders on
a football field man.
It was insane what AntonioGates was doing like in his
first five to seven years of hiscareer man.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was crazy.
I'm glad you brought it upbecause he revolutionized the
tight end, because originally hewas a basketball player and
then Coach.
A lot of them were.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Jimmy Graham.
That's what I'm saying, theonly person I would personally
be like you know what, ifsomebody shows somebody else I'd
be like all right, I'll let youhave that would be Gronkowski.
I don't think nobody elsebetter than my boy Gates.
Gronk was different.
I ain't going to lie.
That big boy was different.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
But I'm here to tell you I don't know if Gonzalez
might have an argument- Becausethe guy.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Rest in peace.
Aaron hernandez, if, if hewould have just kept his head
straight and we wouldn't betalking about grump, because he
had better numbers and lessminutes, less touches, less
snaps on the field than grumpman like he was just like that
go-to tight end for the patriots.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
I mean, we all know about what grump did we know
they was gonna be together, thatwould have been the sickest
tight end tandem ever.
They wouldn't even be receivers.
The only receiver they reallyhad, wes was decent and that
slot receiver, but Mossobviously to me, him and Jerry
the best ever and Moss the mosttalented man.
Imagine you would have both ofthem together.
Because they had them togetherthey won a Super Bowl Right.
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Imagine like you said, if Aarondidn't get hemmed up with all
that, whatever happened.
Legal stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Right, and it's crazy because, like he was very way
more athletic than Gronkowski,Way more.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, Gronk was more just big piece, like built
different.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Well, damn it.
Yeah, he was just Gronk, justknew how to get open.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
He wasn't the fastest guy out there, but he just knew
, but his size and strength wasdifferent Right, and then once
he caught the ball, like yousaid, the size and strength
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Once Aaron catch it, man, I mean he could probably
take it to the house.
We didn't see a lot of thatfrom Gronk.
You know what I'm saying?
Gronk was just running throughpeople, stiff-arming, breaking
tackles, but Aaron Hernandez, heput them.
Motherfucking cuts on you realquick.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, man, I just take gates over anybody.
I've always loved them.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
All day, any day, man .
I used to hate it, man, becauseI played fantasy football and
every time I played somebody andI looked across and I seen
gates, I was like oh shit, youalready knew he was going to
score two touchdowns.
You're right, go over 100 yardsand probably have almost 10
catches, man.
You're right, go over 100 yardsand probably have almost 10
catches.
Man, fuck around and give youlike 40 points in fantasy man
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Like I used to hate it Right.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Tony, would you take him over Witten?
Oh man, hell, yeah, yeah, stop,I'm a captain.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I got to ask him though because, he's a multiple
fucking all-star pro bowler kindof guy.
And that's Tony.
I know it's Tony's guy fromDallas.
I mean that's cool.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I mean Witten made pro, witten did it.
Like Wayne just said, likeBronco, witten wasn't the
fastest, he could just get open,he just knew how to get open.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
But we all knew that.
But Witten had stars around him.
Look, he's trying to downgradehis ability.
Yeah, we really got to stop andthink about what Antonio Gates
really had.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
I mean, he had LeDain Lee and Kyle Thompson, yeah,
yeah, which is one of thegreatest Dude they had?
I get that Dude.
They were loaded on offense.
Come on now.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Come on now.
But Gates, look, it didn'tmatter, man, you could double
this guy.
It didn't matter, man, youcould double this guy.
If you single him, you alreadyknow what time it is, but if you
double him he was still goingto get a grand.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Oh yeah, I agree, that's it.
Yeah, I agree, you think Kelseycan be better than him.
No, I bet you can ask?
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Kelsey right now.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Kelsey already got like three rings man.
I think Kittle would be betterthan.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Kelsey.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Kelsey right now, he'd probably tell you that he
idolized Antonio Gates man.
I don't know, it just seemedlike a lot of his route running
and shiftiness it reminds me ofGates man, but I don't know.
I'd take Kittle right now overKelsey.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Like as of right now in the season.
Yeah, I don't want either oneof them.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You know who I'm going to take.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
The rookie from Raiders.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The dog baby, oh yeah , the Georgia Bulldog.
He leads all statisticalcategories when it comes to
tight ends man.
When it comes to yards, targets, catches Brock Bowers, hands
down man.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
He's starting to look like one of the elite tight
ends, but he's built like a damnwide receiver though, but he is
like a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, you're playing the tight end position and I'm
hearing all the forget Dallasand Giants and everybody else.
I'm hearing Sanders the kid.
He wants to go to the Raiders,to the door yeah, I'm hearing
that's where he wants to go.
And on the sports talk showthey was like but you can't
force your way to go somewhere.
And then somebody was obviouslybrought up, the Phillip
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Rivers-Eliot thing.
It was like yeah, you can.
And they was like but that wasthe Manning.
Archie Manning did that.
They was like Deion definitelycan do that.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Right, I ain't going to lie to you, Georgia.
They got two beast-ass dogsright there on offense in the
NFL man.
We can't forget Ladd McConkieeither, from the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
They're the Georgia Bulldogs.
They got nothing but dogs.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Man, them two dudes.
I'm telling you their firstyear in the league.
Hands down, they showing likethey belong there.
Man, I think a lot to you, laddMcConkie.
He reminds me a little bit ofEmmanuel Sanders, for real.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I agree.
So for real, yeah, I agree.
So, uh, let's move on, guys.
So that's our everyone, that'sour hall of fame, nominees,
selections and our brothers withopinions.
So don't get mad and don't hateon all our opinions so moving
gates gates yeah, he's gonna bea future guest fellas.
(26:47):
Yeah, probably Never know.
So we're going to move on to.
We're going to talk aboutthings we want to bring up.
Every week we discuss thiswhere you know stuff that's not
taught in schools, and try tobring up history, anything you
know, to bring up to everybodyand open up people's eyes.
The topic we have come up withthis week is the Black Wall
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Street Massacre, or TulsaMassacre, and we're going to
talk about that.
So I'll just start off withsaying that the Tulsa Massacre,
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or Black Wall Street Massacre,was two days long and, of course
, white supremacists kk getwhatever, since people don't
know happened in on may 31st tojune 1st in 1921, when mobs of
white residents just destroyedeverything in tulsa oklahoma
right chris, because with gunsand torches and fire and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
They killed and burned, killed all those people
and burned down everything.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, it's considered one of the worst incidents of
racial violence in Americanhistory.
All right, so discuss a littlebit about Black Wall Street.
Chris, you was talking about it.
What was all going on therewhen it was booming and blah,
blah, blah.
You can touch on that a littlebit, because, of course, they
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had their own community going.
I mean, it's out of here.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
They built up a neighborhood with about 10,000
residents and created all theirown businesses and everything
from barbershops to pool halls,movie theater, grocery stores,
restaurants.
There was doctors, dentists,lawyers, offices, like they had
it all they had their own cars,their own garages, everything
but Obviously man a lot of hatealways.
(28:42):
Yeah, you're right, so theyknow how these people came to on
the devil town and just waslike we're gonna wipe this out,
yeah it was and and those, thepeople and the remnants of that
that still made it.
They they didn't make it per seas far as like they thrived and
was able to keep going.
It ruined families and familytrees.
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It ruined all the businesseslike they had their kids and
their, their grandkids andfutures set up, set up for
success and to continuebusinesses and this and that and
hopefully build more throughoutthe country.
But that was just where itstarted in Tulsa and, to be
honest, yeah, them white folkswas like no because they didn't
want nobody to be the upper handfor some reason, when it was
not affecting them.
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I don't understand that, exceptfor the pure hate that people
had at that time.
It's hate for somebody of adifferent color.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, it just shows you the pure hatred of a
different complexion, actually.
Yeah, so total I'll touch onsome of those like so total
deaths and displaced they have,which is unknown 36 total deaths
, 26 black and 10 white.
According to 1921 records, 150to 200 black and 50 white dead.
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Okay, so 39 were confirmed dead.
So, anyway, so during thiswhole massacre, you know, which
is complete bullshit.
So, and I just thought that themassacre occurred on Memorial
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Day weekend, yeah, is when itoccurred, just to throw that out
there yeah, that's probablywhen they called it memorial day
and then tell us some otherbullshit about why they call it
memorial day now yeah yeah, italmost to me sounds like the
government allowed this man well, it's probably because you
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gotta think.
Look, I'm touching on somestatistics here.
It says about 10,000 blackpeople were left homeless and
the cost of property amounted tomore than $1.5 million in real
estate damage and $750 inpersonal property damage.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
That's a million in 1941.
Yes, huge difference.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Yeah, so it's equivalent to almost $40 million
in today's money.
Yeah, so, according, it'sequivalent to almost 40 million
in today's money.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
You know all the damage.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
And out of all those people From that time, there's
only two survivors that arestill living in one's 109 years
old, one's 110, 110.
It's crazy Viola Fletcher andLeslie Randall is 109.
They were the last two of threesurvivors.
The third one died last yearand they had filed a lawsuit for
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reparation and the OklahomaSupreme Court dismissed the
lawsuit for the last twosurviving people of that
massacre, just shot them downand said there is no reparation
for that.
Yeah, because that's what I,and I kind of think that's
mind-boggling also.
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Yeah, you're right, because I'monto that now too, the
reparations from all this what'sthat they were trying to get
reparations from everything thatwas basically destroyed from
the massacre.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, all the people.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
You can never get reparations for people that's
dead and gone.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Well, it says in 1996 , okay.
75 years after the massacre, abipartisan group in the state
legislature authorized theformation of the Oklahoma
Commission to study Tulsa RaceRiot of 1921.
The commissioner's final report, published in 2001, states that
the city had conspired with theracist mob.
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It recommended a program ofreparation to survivors and
their descendants.
The state passed legislation toestablish scholarships for the
descendants of survivors,encourage the economic
development of Greenwood anddevelop a park in the memory of
the victims of the massacre inTulsa.
So that was some of thereparations, I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
No, I was just saying , like the people that's dead
and gone, man, you can't bringthem back?
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Well, they said they're family.
I'm saying in general, but yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
How much money you give me.
If I just lost my mom or mycousins, my sisters, I'd be like
what?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Give me no money.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean I get it, but that ain't never going to bring
them back.
I'd be like man, get out ofhere.
Yeah, you're right yeah man,it's just sad man.
Yeah, but it's sad that theydon't teach it.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
But oh yeah, it said, like I said, we're bringing
this up.
You know about talking aboutthat and you know they talking
about that and you know to bringlight to everybody the shit you
don't fucking learn in school.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So that's the thing.
I ain't gonna lie.
I'm surprised they teachslavery and everything else.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
And see, that's a good.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
They teach it, but not to the full extent though Of
course not, but they still.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I'm surprised they still be like yeah, white people
came here, killed the nativesand then used black people as
slaves and we just built thisland up.
That's why we got everything.
They don't say it in that right, because we're little when they
teach us that shit, so we justunderstand a little bit of it
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right reality that they didteach us that.
So we, if we were smart enough,or our parents our parents
never talked to us about it.
I don't know about y'all, theydidn't really talk about all
that.
My caretakers didn't talk aboutnone of that stuff in school.
They was just like make surey'all do your homework yeah,
right.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So let's talk about that.
You know why.
Why isn't let's say that?
Why?
Why don't schools teach a lot?
I can say blackish, you know,because the curriculum.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
The curriculums are written by people that don't
want it to be taught, androckefeller and them changed
this back in the 30s, right, orwhatever the 20s, 30s or 40s.
In that time frame they changedthe whole system and everything
.
So the curriculum is only whatthey want to be taught.
That's why I'm surprised thatslavery is still brought up,
because they don't teach nothingelse.
The rest, if you're talkingabout black history, they only
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really talk about um from thosetimes, obviously, harriet Tubman
and then Martin Luther King.
They skip a lot of stuff.
They don't teach people nothing.
They don't teach all the black.
Everything in this country wasinvented by black people.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
They don't tell all the people that in these schools
To be honest with you, though,really, if they really taught
the truth, man, there would beso much conflict within the
schools between probably blackand white kids.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh, because they would just be the opposite.
It would be people would knowthe whole truth instead of the
lie.
Yeah, I'm with certain kids thatwere brought up differently,
but if they, would have neverbeen told those things, because
the truth was always told, thenit would be different.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, but they was.
Like now we ain't going to tellall that, we ain't gonna tell
all that.
We ain't gonna tell you, wejust burned down a whole town in
toaster, oklahoma, that wasthriving.
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Like they don't tell you that,right, true?
Yeah, I think they only tell usabout martin luther king
because they're like yeah, hebrought people together and for
some reason they chose him Iguess because he was so big and
it happened not too long beforewe was born that they couldn't
hide it.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, well, shit, I'm losing my train of thought, but
what I wanted to say was abouthistory.
Right, like, think about you.
Know, in elementary school youlearn about the Indians and this
and that, but what do you?
What do they teach you aboutthe Indians?
Like we're freaking friendswith them.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
They don't teach you.
Why are they called Indianswhen they're from here?
Well, Native Americans, but butthere was nothing called Native
.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Indigenous hold on Indigenous people right so let
me be politically correct.
So Indigenous people, right.
Why are we learning in school?
Basically, all you think aboutis Thanksgiving, like, oh, we
broke bread with them, andeverything.
No, we massacred them too.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yep, it's a massacre celebration.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, we murdered you .
It's called.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Thanksgiving.
It's like thanks for giving usthis land did you know what I
mean?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
break the word down.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Thanks for giving but they get against their own will
.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
They didn't choose hell, no and then like moving on
, and you know, then you slowlymove on.
The way you look.
The thing is.
A great example is theHolocaust right in Germany.
They put that out there in alike they have a memorial or
something, but I think in schoollike they don't really teach
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the Holocaust or anything.
They don't talk about that shitin school.
But why do we?
You know, because it's anegative image of their country
but we sit here and talk about.
Why do we want to bring it upyou know what I mean and teach
it in?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
school, because if you don't from your past, then
you're bound to repeat it.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
But, like you say, they teach it, I guess, but they
don't really glorify it.
You know what I mean, becauseit's a negative.
Look on them so, and that's thesame I see with girls.
Well, I, I understand that theybuilt a memorial and everything
, for you know the holocaustmemorial, so it's not like they
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forgot about it.
You know what I mean.
It's right there in front ofeverybody's face.
So, but yeah, I mean no blackhistory, but we don't talk about
let's just say we don't talkenough about the positives in
history there.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Right, and it was a positive that it was a positive
black Wall Street that wasturned into a negative because
they burn it all down.
But they didn't teach that atall in school.
Well, y'all, you never heardnone of your heat.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Never did.
I didn't, I didn't know aboutno Tulsa or black street, black
wall street Do probably, I thinkthe first time it was like last
year, cause.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I did my own.
You heard about Wall Streetbefore.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, of course everybody hears about Wall
Street.
I wonder if you Google WallStreet, if Black Wall Street
comes up, that's even a goodquestion, but I don't know.
I stumbled upon it and found itjust being on the internet.
So yeah, you're not taught thatin school.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
We're not taught a lot.
This is just one subject we'regoing to talk about, because
they don't like to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You know they'll touch on certain things.
Like you know, frederickDouglass and, like you said,
martin Luther King.
You know they'll talk about alittle bit, you know.
So those are the first onesthat pop in my head.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I'll be honest, though, and I guess, in one way,
the only thing I remember himtalking about with his
presidents is george, washington, lincoln and jsk they don't
talk about nobody else, likeyou'd be like who's the 17th
president?
I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
They never talk about them right, we learn about
three presidents tops, that's it.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
But look how it is.
It's exactly 103 years sincethen.
There's never been another kindof black Wall Street.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
When they talk about them first Washington's and all
them in school.
They don't talk about how theyused to rape women, or none of
that, do they?
Yeah, rape women and they wereslave owners.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
They tried to praise them for whatever they did good,
because he was the firstso-called president.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Yeah, just like Christopher Columbus was the
first to sail right.
Shit, Fuck out of here, man.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
I don't know why they teach that still.
Oh, he discovered, you can'tdiscover something that was
already with people living here.
He just found it and discoveredit for where he's from.
He's like, oh, look somethingover there.
Like they teach us the dumbshit and they still have that
dumb ass holiday, Columbus Day,and people will argue about it
too with you, just adamant aboutno.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
Columbus discovered America you dumb ass.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
And it's because they believe everything they're
taught so that's what I'm tryingto say is, if you're taught the
whole life about the uh, aboutthe toss of massacre and black
wall street and slavery, thetruths and everything, people
would have had differentmindsets to win, like they would
have already been brainwashedand conditioned that way but
been told the truth about it.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
So it would have been a real, real conditioning, but
they just put the picture andpainted the way they wanted to
be and if you was in school andargued with a teacher about
because she marked your answerwrong because you didn't pick
Christopher Glover, how am Iwrong?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
That's not the right answer.
She's like this is what weteach you also.
That's what we said is right.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
This is what they told us.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
You do it their way or it's the highway way.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
But I wonder if they ran across kids that you know
argue like me, you know what I'msaying Like to tell them that I
think it's ten times worse now,because kids have all this
information in their fingertips.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Of course, very true.
They're like I don't know whatyou're talking about, ms Dorsey,
like that ain't real.
Yeah, google didn't say thatand I didn't even do my research
.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Edison didn't come up with the light bulb and Bell
damn sure didn't discover thephone.
Yeah, but when you take thatmultiple choice test, you better
check those names, because ifnot you're not going to receive
100.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Right, jesus, that's 80% right there off two, two
answers.
If we look at it, see all thembs school things we do we can go
back and be like man.
Most of us didn't pass certainthings and some of us would have
been right when we markedthings wrong that y'all gave
wrong, because the real answerwas not what y'all told us.
And like you said, ain't noalexander, alexander Graham Bell
, these people use their nameoff of other people's ideals and
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creations.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Yeah, I think his name was Joseph Latimer, who
created the lights, thetelephone.
He came up with all that manand he just didn't have the
money to put a patent on it.
And he was buddies with Edisonand Edison stole his idea.
Probably made him an ultimatumlike, hey man, look, let me just
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put the patent on it.
And he was buddies with edisonand edison stole his idea.
Probably made him a ultimatumlike, hey man, look, let me just
put the patent on it and thenI'll give you this.
And he never gave him shit no,like they kill people, man.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
They killed tesla and , but he ain't even black.
But they killed that dude andwas like no, because he created
free energy.
It was like I wanted to be freefor everybody.
They was like hell, no, killedthat dude and then created it
and made sure that we all had topay for something that should
have been free Energy.
Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah, man, when you start jumping out there trying
to be bigger and better than theactual elites, that's when you
get shot down, man.
It's a plain example of theTulsa massacre, man.
Black people were trying tobuild their community up and
they shot them right down, man.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
So, all right, wait, I'll touch on this real quick,
real quick, guys.
So present day you know BlackWall Street.
It can still be found todayunder the historical Greenwood
District in Tulsa, oklahoma.
After the Tulsa raceacre of1921, it took about 10 years to
rebuild the district.
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The historical Vernon AMEChurch is the only building
standing today that is a part ofthe last remaining structure of
the massacre.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
And is that church owned by black people?
I would hope so.
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
It's owned by black people?
Speaker 4 (44:25):
I would hope so.
It's a good question.
Yeah, it's owned by god,because you got to think about
it, there's only two survivorsleft from that massacre.
So yeah, who owns it now?
Is it the children?
Did the city take over?
Like well, let's see, you know,it's a good, it's a good
question.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
They killed a lot of people from back then ruined
family trees, man.
Oh yeah the damage was done.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
You know what I mean.
It's like oh, we did what wewanted to do, so there you go.
It's like it's great whateverthey try to preserve, but still,
the damage is already fuckingdone.
You could accomplish your goal.
So, to answer your question,wayne, the AME Church is an
(45:08):
African Methodist EpiscopalChurch.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Okay, Usually called AME.
You didn't answer my question.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
You said it was black who runs it.
Well, I mean, I guess you got apoint.
Speaker 4 (45:20):
You can put any name on anything, but who?
Speaker 3 (45:22):
does it.
It says founder Richard Allen.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Founder, yes, he is a black man Right Now is his
family member running thatchurch?
Not sure, I'm trying to findthat for you.
That's what I'm trying to sayGive me a second.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
He is the founder of this church that still remains
the one last standing structure.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
But that's how we're going to wrap up the show.
Ladies and gentlemen, we wanty'all to go out there and do
your own research on differentthings that they don't really
teach us.
There's so much more out therethan that, man I'm trying to
tell you.
They lie to us.
We've been bringing things upand let y'all know about outer
space and about the earth andeverything else.
They lie to us all the time,man.
(46:05):
They tell us what they want usto know and they don't want us
to know all the truths, becausethen we'll be on the same
playing field as them, and theydon't like that.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
My brother's right man.
So teach yourself Research,read, go to the library, man,
open up some books.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
They still exist.
I know Hanley Library is stilldown there, ain't it?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
It's still down there , ain't it, it's still down
there, it's still there.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
There's a lot of things in the library that they
just can't wipe away, bro.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
So go to your local library, you'll find a lot of
stuff, man, that just isn'tbeing taught in schools, all
right.
So us, as brothers withopinions, we're trying to bring
up a subject every week to openpeople's eyes.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
What isn't talked about.
They also say try to get bookswritten before the 1930s when it
comes to history, becauseRockefellers then changed all
the books and wrote history howthey wanted it, so they was like
you need to get books frombefore then.
So that's a hard find,obviously, to find them old
books.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
A question for my brother, tony.
I mean, you got kids that arein high school.
Next question to your kids isdo they talk about the Tulsa
massacre in school?
That's a question you need toask your kid.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, I'll ask him, but I'm sure he'll be like huh,
he can just ask Christian,because Christian's there in
school and then Christian can gothere and be like how come we
don't talk about that Exactly?
Speaker 3 (47:30):
But real quick.
Last notice if you ever noticed, like I guess the most
intellectual or smartest kids, alot of times in school that I
like they did their own research, you know some of them, I mean
obviously some were book smart,but you understand what I'm
saying.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
Well, a lot of them, smart people that we went to
school with, most of theirparents were teachers.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Well, I'm just saying they were book smart.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
But yeah, they're, they got the.
They were just programmed andtaught.
Speaker 3 (47:49):
They just did get their A's and B, whatever.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
But they had the, they had the encyclopedias and
the whole all that stuff, theBritannicas and all that all in
their crib.
Yeah man they, yeah man they.
Probably while we was watchingcartoons they was studying the
dictionary, man at a young age.
That's why they want to stepspelling bees and everything
else Yep.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Come on, I want a couple of spelling bees.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, in third grade.
Hey, it still counts who's gota dog and cat Three letter words
back.
Then he want a third gradespelling bee.
Speaker 4 (48:22):
But he won't.
It's weird that he won it.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
It got to my head, I thought I could chill the rest
of the school year.
All right, moving on wrappingit up, wayne got his NFL picks
this Sunday, for everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Yeah, we're getting there, folks.
We're getting a little better.
Last week was 9-3.
Try to give you all a little10-leg for this week.
This week I like Tampa Bay tobeat the Giants, I like the
Chiefs over the Panthers, I likethe Vikings to beat the
Patriots, I like the Texans tobeat the Titans, I like the
Lions and a close one over theColts into Indianapolis.
(49:01):
I like, let's see Denver overLas Vegas, green Bay over 49ers,
seahawks over Arizona, theRavens over the Chargers.
And my final pick of the week,them damn Commanders over them
Cowboys.
Oh shit, how about it, jerry?
Speaker 3 (49:23):
But I was going to say there's a lot of players out
Like I thought about that GreenBay Packers game real quick,
but Green Bay Packers Ninersgame yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
Birdie's out.
Speaker 3 (49:32):
Birdie's out for the Niners.
Bosa, I think, is out right.
Yep For Dallas.
Off the top of my head, diggsisn't playing.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
It don't matter for y'all man, y'all been fucking
what three, but I'm just saying,like a lot of these big games,
Well, Dallas ain't a big game.
We're out of it anyway.
That's always the biggestrivalry.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
That one in the Bears-Packers.
That's a huge game.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Steelers-Ravens is the biggest rivalry to me in
football right now.
That's new man.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
That I said right now .
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Hey, they're going to start tanking games, because
you're going to tell them what?
Shador and Deion no.
But I hate when people be likeoh, we tanking man, y'all
already been losing, so thereain't no tanking.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, I know right, we're not trying to make it look
good.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
We lost on purpose.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
This is dude, we suck .
We're not a good football team.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Dallas is horrible and you guys trying to get
Sanders next year, you seealready, act up a little bit, be
a little high-headed.
Y'all like that, I think yourboy might come to Washington.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
But who?
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Mike could come with his oh yeah, he ain't going to
Washington.
I love how y'all want ourplayers.
You dog us, but it's funny howy'all want our players.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Look, you want both Deion and you done took our
coaches.
You done took our coachingstaff.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
That's why Mike is coming, because he loves to
coach.
He said it's been a bigdifference without him.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
But you see the difference.
Though I give you all props,I'll give respect where
respect's due.
Washington turned around,because what'd they do?
They got rid of their frickin'owner, Just cleaned house.
Look, you got Dan Quinn, whichproves he's a great coach.
But where was he?
Dallas?
But in Dallas it's a differentculture, because Jerry wants to
(51:15):
run everything.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So what did that tell you?
They switched sports and gottwo winning minds and brilliant
minds from the NBA, and BobMyers and Magic Johnson.
They really make a hugedifference too.
They brought their integrals ofwhat they know and how to work
in the NBA.
They brought it to the NFL.
We had like 28 new players inthe offseason.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Hey, Tony, your hope is just for Jerry to get caught
up in a scandal.
Right, he's not going to.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
But he's like 90, man Dude.
Yeah, I'm not talking about it.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
I don't want to talk about it, he was old when we was
born.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
He'd be looking drunk up in the press box.
Man Like the guy don't knowwhat's going on.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I don't even think he realizes he's at a football
game sometimes.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
All he's thinking about is two-stepping and
drinking whiskey.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
And he's riding it out to the wheels for a while
All right, guys, all right.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
That wraps it up for BWO.
Everybody enjoy their Sunday,the Dallas versus Washington
game, which will probablyhonestly, I think Dallas is just
going to get mopped today.
I'll just say that I thinkyou're all going to dog walk us.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Oh no, that's always a close matchup, man We'll see,
I hope it's a rivalry match.
Speaker 4 (52:28):
I expect a good game.
To be honest, we'll see, we'llsee.
Speaker 3 (52:32):
So, yeah guys, great show Next week.
I know we're going to talkabout, you know, local high
school basketball because theseason is about to start.
Hopefully I'm working on aguest for that episode to talk
local high school basketball.
So tune in for that because theguests will be a will be a
(52:53):
coach from a local high school,just the head varsity coach.
Just let everybody know.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yeah, from SBCA we're ready.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
All right guys, it was fun.
Everybody learned a little bittoday about Black Wall Street.
All right guys, enjoy the restof the week.
Everybody else thanks fortuning in.
Remember we have a new YouTubechannel which you can search it.
It'll be at Brothers WithOpinions.
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Speaker 3 (53:33):
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The right corner You'll see asubscribe, but it's there.
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Just click the subscribe, clickit or take it.
There you go.
All right, guys, let's wrap itup and we'll see everybody next
week.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
Peace.
Have a blessed day.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Happy Thanksgiving.
Y'all go celebrate the masterBrothers with opinions.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Big voice, no silence .
Revolution, televised Ain't nogood in private, not knowledge
(54:16):
to the.
We'll be right back For now.
We spreading the word.
How do we learn to live when we, conditioned to die?
Most people fail before theystart because they don't ever
try.
Man, they told us we wasworthless.
We believed in the lie.
We took it way too literal whenBig said ready to die.
You know, the KKK turned thecops in disguise.
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Man, a lot done changed, butrace still applies.
Five-oh hands up.
Don't even ask why.
Trayvon, mike Brown man,another mother's cry BWO, let
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