From Winchester’s Casino Debate To NBA Gambling Scandals And A World Series Preview w/ Ray Kosinski

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SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
What's up?
We back, we back, everybody.
Huh?

SPEAKER_02 (00:51):
I gotta get off that.
I was on that fucking FaceTimething.
That's a make sure you know whenI'll be watching the show.
I can hear you and the guestsway better than me, and I'll be
feeling like I'm loud.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
Yeah, you're good.
We can if you get you need toget a headset or earphones,
you'll hear a lot better.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
Man, what that looked like.
So I don't even have headphonesfor music in that anymore, but I
can get some.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18):
Right, right.
Yeah, man.
You'll be able to hear me a lotbetter.
I'll be right in your ear.
Like you are mine.

SPEAKER_02 (01:25):
So, but hey, maybe Mike and Dwayne can start to go
from me for my headphones and wecan start looking for laptops.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32):
Jeez.
Oh Lord.
So welcome back, everybody.
Uh, welcome back to Brotherswith Opinions.
We're back again, and we'regonna have uh Chris's good
friend Ray Kaczynski on right.
I said that right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Yeah, Ray Kaczynski.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46):
Okay, he'll hopefully he'll be on he'll be
on here shortly and join us.
And what are we talking about,Chris?
You want to let everybody know?

SPEAKER_02 (01:55):
Yeah, we're gonna talk about the big thing that's
been going on recently, but it'sreally been in the news and the
headlines today, like the newsthey actually show people.
And um, it's basketball playersthat's in the NBA and coaches in
the NBA who have been caughtdoing so-called illegal poker
games at their houses andwhatnot, and gambling, and it's

(02:15):
a whole bunch of stuff to it,but we'll delve into that in a
little while.
And it's kind of cool because wewere already gonna speak about
the word on the street ofWinchester possibly getting a
casino.
So we want to get into thepluses and the negatives of
that.
We're gonna talk about the WorldSeries that starts this Friday
between the Dodgers and theToronto Foujays.
And uh, we are also gonna talkabout one other thing, Ray, and

(02:37):
that is gonna be using yourconnections and your resources
to help build each other up andand you know benefit the
benefits from it, man.
And really, so many of us haveresources and connections, but
we don't always utilize them,and that's our fault.
So we're gonna get into allthat, ladies and gentlemen.
Y'all know what time it is.
Get your popcorn ready, it'sTony and Tuck.
And uh he's gonna be right inSkyline and Warren County and

(02:58):
Clark County.

SPEAKER_03 (02:59):
Yeah, I'm gonna jump jumping in and breathe through
these scores real quick, theselocal scores last week.
So Haley the demolished ManassasPark 42 to nothing, they quit at
halftime.
I think everybody knows that.
That that's a topic.
We could we could talk aboutthat real quick.
But then uh James Wood uhdefeated Millbrook.
Hold on.

(03:20):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
Yeah, James Wood put it on him.

SPEAKER_03 (03:23):
Uh 54 to 35, Skyline over Falk here, uh 38-7.
Warren County over ManassasPark, 50-nothing, and Liberty
over Brentsville, 29 to 20.
Uh Stralsburg defeated Larae,42-6.
Clark County finally got a win.

SPEAKER_02 (03:40):
Yeah, it's good for him, too.

SPEAKER_03 (03:41):
Page count 34-8.
And so now moving on to uh theEastern Pan Animal, West
Virginia.
We don't want to forget aboutour friends across the state
line.
Bartonsburg shut out Washington69 to nothing.
Muslims shut out Hedgesville 53to nothing.
Uh Jefferson beat Loudoun County35-34.

(04:01):
And university beat Spring Mills35-28.

SPEAKER_02 (04:05):
I was wrong on that game.
They beat Spring Mills.

SPEAKER_03 (04:11):
Spring Mills doesn't seem as uh they don't have the
squad that they had last year.
Seems like they're kind ofhaving a down year.
I think they're like 500 rightnow.
I think that's the third loss.
And uh Hampshire over BerkeleySprings, 46 to 28.
And so now on to, and oh, don'twant to forget about East Hardy

(04:31):
and uh Moorefield.
That's a big rivalry.
East Hardy beat Moorefield 30 to18.
So on to this week's games.
We have LaRay, uh Falk hereplays Kettle Run, uh Manassas
Park in Liberty, Brintsvillefaces off with uh Skyline,

(04:52):
Meredith plays Warren County,and Hanley and Sharando, the big
one.
So that's playoff implicationsright there in seating.
Them two facing off.
We'll see if Hanley bouncesback.

SPEAKER_02 (05:03):
I mean Haley just won.

SPEAKER_03 (05:05):
Hey, they did.
They had that that tough oneagainst Kettle Run.
Yeah, so more Morris thequarterback the quarterback
needs to get his confidenceback.
So then we got Central playsLaRay, uh Page County plays
Madison County, and Clark Countyplays Strasburg.
And uh off to West Virginia, yougot Muscleman plays Jefferson,

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Spring Mills plays Martinsburg,Parkview plays Hedgesville, and
Washington plays Hampshire.
So to me, the big one's HanleySharando this week.
Well, of course you're gonna sayHamley.
Right.
Well, I mean it is the biggestgame.

SPEAKER_02 (05:44):
So I'll be there.
And they're both six and one,and the coach for Hanley used to
coach Sharando, so that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
Yep, yep, you're right.
You're right.
It's always intense the formercoach showing up.

SPEAKER_02 (05:55):
So everyone had Hanley's number overall.

SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
But let me but let me speak on this.
We'll talk over and then we'llget uh let Ray jump and we'll
get Ray on here.
I'm eager to have him on.
Uh, you know, this HanleyManassas Park thing, you know,
because everybody's talkinglike, should they acquit and
this and that at halftime?
So I was there, right?
Manassas Park was heavilyoutmatched.

(06:20):
And then they had two injuries,and I think the two injuries had
something to do with it, becausethey were skilled players, like
they're running back, and uh, sothey didn't have much depth.
So it's probably part of it.
But I coached and at the end,you don't quit.
To me, I say, put somebody outthat like you showed up, yeah.

(06:41):
You know, Haley done put intheir because the rumor is all
Haley had their starters inthis.
No, Haley put their JV inbasically through the middle of
the second quarter.
So and was still scoring.
But I don't know.
Me personally, don't quitbecause to me that just shows
your team like you can just quitin life.

(07:02):
You know, to me it's lifelessons.
Just go out there and hey, youshowed up, you put on a
schedule, played the game.
That's how I feel.
I don't know how you feel,Chris.
Because I've never seen ithappen, I've never seen a team
quit or for at half.

SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
I've never seen it unless it's like boxing and
karate kind of stuff, and that'sdifferent because you might get
killed or whatever.
But in in football, basketball,soccer, volleyball, I've never
seen that happen.
But I heard about it happening,but obviously, this is way back
when Lisa Leslie was in highschool.
She scored a hundred points inthe first half.
The team snuck out the lockerroom, got on the bus and left.

(07:36):
Oh, did they?
Well, I mean, it's Lisa Leslie,so but that game she had scored
100 points in the first half,and I know it's hard to be like,
hell no, that's just happened,but they just dominated that
team and and the team left athalftime.
But yeah, I've never heard of orseen it in my life.
A team quit it.
So yeah, that I think it's justa bad, it's a bad leadership

(07:58):
style for your kids, man.
Like, if you're leading quit,it's easier for you to but I go,
I'm gonna quit.
I've seen it, it happens.
I ain't good enough, whatever'sthe situation.
So I think that was poor poorjudgment on the coach's part to
do it, unless they didn't haveenough players.

SPEAKER_03 (08:15):
Hold on, Chris.
We ain't even live, bro.
What happened?
You didn't hit live.
We are.
We should be on there.
We should be good.
This is crazy.
What's good with you, Ray?

SPEAKER_02 (08:30):
Over there acting like the homies.

SPEAKER_03 (08:33):
I'm gonna have to go through this all again.

SPEAKER_02 (08:36):
What's good with you, Tony?
Did everybody see us?
Tony over here acting like hewas born in the 70s.

SPEAKER_03 (08:43):
Kevin's like, yeah, you all are live.
Shoot, thank, thank God, Kevin.
Thank God.
I was like, God.
I was like, it said go live.
I don't know why it said that.
So anyway, all right, everybody.
Let's let uh let Ray join in.
He's sitting here waitingpatiently.
Ray, can you hear us?

(09:03):
You there, Ray?
Hey, what's up, man?
What's up?

SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Yeah, I can't.
What's up, man?

SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
I'm glad to have you on, man.
I hope we're good.
I don't know.
We're live, supposedly.
Everybody said we are good.
We're live.
I don't know.
Because it had up here and itsaid good, it said go live.
But I got I got a littlenervous.
I'm good, I'm good.
We're good.
So how was your day today?
You enjoy work?

SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
It looks like I'm having a little tactical
difficulties.
Let me let me sign out, signback in.
I'll be right back with y'all.

SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
All right, that's cool.
That's cool.
Yeah, like a bullet.

SPEAKER_02 (09:39):
Y'all said we was live.
Are we still live?

SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
Yeah, they say we're good.
They're laughing at us.
We're good.

SPEAKER_02 (09:46):
They're laughing at you.
You were born before them.
None of us, man.
Right.
You got a cold out there.

SPEAKER_03 (09:57):
Good?
Yeah, I'm getting a littlesniffles here.
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna haveto take some some cold medicine
alcohol cells or something in mythroat.
Excuse me, yeah.
Excuse me, everybody.
My throat's itching a littlebit.
So I'm gonna take salt.
It's fucking summertime.
It's cold.
Yeah, that's that's that changeof weather, man.
That change of weather gets mealmost every time I'm getting

(10:18):
older.
I gotta take care of myself.
I need some orange juice.

SPEAKER_02 (10:22):
No, that ain't all like cold stuff when you don't
feel good.

SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
They lie to us.
That's right.
That's that's that vitamin.
Oh, they lied to us.
I just need I just need tussing.
Tussin fixes everything.
I need Robert Tussin.
That's it.

SPEAKER_02 (10:35):
No, you're good.
You got a wife.

SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
When she gets home, she can take care of you.
All right, let's see.
Ray, let's see if he's good now.

SPEAKER_01 (10:42):
Gentlemen, what's going on?

SPEAKER_03 (10:43):
Oh, you sound a lot better now.
There, there we go.

SPEAKER_01 (10:47):
Hey, listen, man.
When you're the engineer, yougotta figure out ways to make it
crypto fair.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (10:53):
Right, right.
I get I get it.
You're perfectionists.

SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Hey that way, there's no other way.

SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
That's that's it.
Well, hey, man, welcome to theshow.
I guess we'll jump right in.
Uh, Chris, what what do you wantto well?
First off, Ray, let's let's giveyou a shot.
Hey, tell everybody a little bitabout yourself because you're
into music and you know, allthat.
And if you want to introduce andtell a little bit about
yourself.

SPEAKER_01 (11:16):
I mean, it's kind of rough, man.
If you give me the floor, Imight not stop, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (11:20):
Okay, it's it's yours.

SPEAKER_01 (11:22):
But uh, I don't know, what can I say, man?
Um, you know, uh, for lack of uhbetter things to talk about, I'm
soon to be 44, thank God.
You know, I always say six feetup, not six feet under.
Unless, of course, you know,you're a little shorter than
that.
But uh, but um, yeah, I mean,uh, I grew up in Connecticut, um

(11:44):
product of a single uh, youknow, father, you know, uh take
bringing me in and and teachingme the way and you know being a
good family man.
So I appreciate that.
Um uh after that, uh went out toPittsburgh uh for high school,
you know, got into a lot ofthings out there, but you know,
that's all blessed and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (12:06):
Right.
You live and learn.

SPEAKER_01 (12:08):
Yeah, exactly.
But uh then went out to collegein West Virginia of all places.
Unfortunately, you know, I got alot, I well, not unfortunately,
but I'll kind of tie that inreal quick.
I got six direct relatives on mypop's side, all went to Yale, or
I was taught in Yale or somesome uh division of Yale
University, and um I must havegot my mom's jeans because I

(12:30):
ended up going to her schoolcollege.

SPEAKER_02 (12:33):
Um you went there for what?

SPEAKER_01 (12:35):
Baseball.

SPEAKER_02 (12:36):
Um you didn't show up to go there for school.

SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
Yeah, I mean, well, I went there for school, uh, but
um ended up getting mypsychology degree and uh you
know also an English degree.
I actually went because umoriginally went as a as an
English major because I wasalways writing rhymes and shit
like that.
Um and uh figured that thatwould be a good experience to at

(13:02):
least get into language.
Uh people always ask, what'syour favorite book?
Most people either say the Bibleor or or a book that they love.
I mean, I I respect all books,but my favorite book has always
been the dictionary.
So um it's where I got a lot ofthe uh vocabulary that I do
possess.
Um and I'm thankful for that.
Um, anyways, yeah, I'm trying tokeep it short, but uh you know

(13:27):
you're good.
Has a lot of twists and turns.
But, anyways, graduated school,stayed out of trouble enough.
Um, went back to Connecticut fora while with a longtime friend
of mine, and uh we started abusiness park complex, a
recording studio.
We've been in the audio for along time, since we were about
age 15, 16.

(13:47):
Um, always kept that drive andthat motivation, that love and
passion for you know hip hop andhow it was growing since the you
know the 90s.
You know, I was born in 81, soyou know, by by the late 80s,
early 90s, you know, we werefull effect into that um and
appreciated that, you know.
So uh we did that.
We we we built up a company, um,did a lot of promotional shows

(14:11):
and and performances and got onthe radio in Connecticut for a
good amount of time, even hadpeople like Sheik Luch doing
drafts for us uh on the radio inConnecticut, which was dope.
But you know, uh just likeanything, like in business, and
and we'll probably end upgetting into some of these
conversations regarding businessand how to grow a brand and

(14:32):
things of that nature, which tobe honest with you, I I I know a
lot about, but I'm also not theguru, you know.
So you know, but justunderstanding how to run a
business and and you know,eventually got to the point
where you know you put in in abusiness, especially something
like music, right?
You um put a lot of time andeffort and obviously passion and

(14:53):
love for the what you're doing,but then also you know,
monetarily, and it's not justabout the money, you know, trust
me, especially with music, itcan't never just be about the
money.
Money's important for sure,right?
100%.
Uh, but you know, when you getto a point to where it's like,
all right, we did this, we didthis, but you know, you kind of
get to a place where there'sonly so much you can do, right?

(15:15):
Um on your own or withouteverybody wants to be a star,
especially in entertainment andand music and everything like
that.
So, um, anyways, again, tryingto keep it short, um, kind of
packed up that shop, went downto uh Brooklyn, New York.
I was there from 06 to 16, um,you know, uh while working in

(15:36):
social service industry, becauseI have that psychology
background.
I'm also, you know, not tryingto pat myself on the back with
somebody who appreciates youknow people and know that at the
end of the day, people needhelp.
Um and people need people tofollow, or people uh, you know,
need leadership, and alsosometimes even the leaders need
leadership as well.

(15:56):
So, anyways, uh what I'm tryingto say is went down there,
started my own company again,went to school while working up
on Ward's Island off of 125thStreet uh in Harlem, take a
little M35 onto the island towork at some of the roughest
shelters, whether it's familiesor in schools.
A lot of people just let out ofprison and shit like that, you

(16:18):
know, drug addiction, which Imean, you know, uh not speaking
for everybody, but I think a lotof us have dealt with those lot
of those things as well.
Right.
Um, you know, and uh, you know,did that and then you know,
still once again started mycompany, Engineer Entertainment
LLC.
Did a lot of shows, a lot ofproductions, a lot of
post-production videos, and allthe different things you could

(16:39):
ever uh try to do, but you getboxed into where you know some
people aren't pulling theirweight and he's having something
else in their vision.
So got to a point where I waslike, you know what, it's time
to pack up shop again.
And I'm not a runner, I'm alwayssomebody that runs towards the
adversity, but uh also you gottaknow when to pack it in.
So I was like, eh, I gotta go.

(17:00):
Uh 10 years in social servicework and and also just doing the
music thing, I guess you couldsay on the side, right?
And um went down to Florida anduh got into the insurance game.
So as you can see right here,it's probably says Central
Florida Colonial Life.
And that's shout out musicthing.
In fact, kind of coming backfull circle, took a nice little

(17:22):
break, and uh, and this is whereI'm at now.
I went to Fort Lauderdale,bought me a house with the money
that I made, you know, and putinto a 401k, liquidated that,
took a 10, you know, uh 10, 15hit, invested into a house, um,
bought the house, and people saydon't talk about money, but I'll
just talk about it here becauseif there's even a young kid that

(17:43):
you know might need someinspiration or something, I took
a ten fifteen thousand dollarhit, liquidated that, put it
into a house, bought it for 250,and just sold it like under a
year ago, about about a year agonow, um, for 550.

SPEAKER_03 (17:57):
You know, yeah, there you go.
Hey, that's great advice,though.
I like it.

SPEAKER_01 (18:01):
So there's a lot of ways to win in life, and it
doesn't have to be just yourpassion.
Um, but, anyways, I think youhave to have passion for the
people that you surroundyourself with, which is why I'm
here and I'm thankful to be herebecause my boy, my boy says a
lot called, but it's uh goahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, you're good.
Hey, you're good, you're good,man.
Hey, I appreciate it.
Hey, I love your passion andenergy, man.
I'm glad we've hooked up.

SPEAKER_01 (18:28):
Yeah, it's a hey, maybe we can do obviously for
you to be somebody to to link upwith my boy, you know, which is
obviously thinking, since youguys are both from Winchester,
right?
So obviously you guys have beenfriends for a long time, and
there's a reason why you guyshave connected again and
probably always stay connected,or even if not, reconnected.
But um, my boy Sizzle, uh, youknow, got a lot of energy, um, a

(18:52):
lot of opinion, which is this isbrothers with opinions, right?

SPEAKER_03 (18:55):
We're about to get into that.

SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
So I appreciate that.
I'm I'm very very humble and uhwelcomed.
Uh I I appreciate you guyshaving me here.
And I know I've I've I'vebogarded a lot of this.
I just I just rename the wholething.

SPEAKER_03 (19:09):
Oh shit, you're good.
You're good.

SPEAKER_01 (19:12):
Thank you very much.
I appreciate being here.
I just try to build something,and um obviously you've already
built something up until thispoint, and I'm just I'm thankful
that you guys are including me.
So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
Yeah, man, no problem.
Appreciate you.
So, Chris, what we want to jumpinto first.
What topic?
Hold on with it.

SPEAKER_02 (19:30):
Right off the rip, we're gonna get right into what
Winchester wants to talk aboutbecause then we can fill in the
rest, which is building acasino, which obviously I don't
know if you've ever really goneto casinos.
I've been to some used to loveit.
I know Ray's loved it, butcoming to Winchester will tie
into the sports betting thatwe're gonna get into later.

SPEAKER_03 (19:48):
So yeah, it'll tie right into last week, Ray.

SPEAKER_02 (19:52):
So Winchester's been changing a lot, but to build a
casino there is something youwould have never thought about
when I was growing up there.
So okay.
I think it'd be dope, butobviously there's pluses and
negatives to it.

SPEAKER_03 (20:03):
So yeah, a lot of yeah.
So let's discuss that.
It's like, should shouldWinchester bring a casino in is
the main question.

SPEAKER_01 (20:10):
Yeah, gotta start unpacking that, right, guys.
I mean, you gotta startunpacking what are the
positives, negatives, and alsothe nuances that most people
that say, Oh, yeah, no, ofcourse we want to play and be
able to play blackjack.
There's a lot of ins and outs onthe back end that you have to
consider.
So I think that's where you kindof need to start if you're
trying to be real about it, youknow.

SPEAKER_03 (20:29):
Right, right.
Yep.
So my go ahead, Chris.

SPEAKER_02 (20:33):
Now, I personally would have thought, but this is
growing up, Ray.
I haven't lived there since2003.
Um, now Winchester wouldn't evenbe a town that would ever go for
it, but that's just showing howmuch times are changing now,
2025, even though things seem alot worse for everybody for
those kind of changes.
I think the community could useit and give them something to
do, it opened up a lot of jobstoo.

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So I think those are some of thepositives, man.
Like it is not a lot to do downthere.
So to be able to have somethinglike that, you can actually go
to and it's legal, that'd be Ithink that'd be a good thing,
and a lot of jobs.

SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
So let me ask actually, since you're saying
that, there's sorry, once again,not trying to say too much here,
but when you say there's not alot to do down there, you know,
where where where are you comingat mentally from that?
Like it like meaning what whatdemographic are you talking
about?
Maybe kids that are like maybe18 to 25, or you're talking
about adults that are whichagain, you know, the we call

(21:27):
them kids, right?
But 18 to 25, they're alreadyadults, right?
But you know, where are yougoing with that?
Like, meaning, you know, all theabove.
Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 (21:37):
There's nothing for the teenagers to do, there's
nothing for people that's intheir young 20s.
The only thing, really, at leastfrom what I can remember, Tony
and anybody that's in thecomments or watching, they could
they could say otherwise, butit's bars, restaurants, and
there's no clubs like that inWinchester, but in this mostly
in West Virginia or in the cityarea, there's clubs and stuff,

(21:58):
but it's nothing for people todo.
So the casino, there's one inCharlestown, which is like 20
minutes from Winchester, that'sWest Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 (22:04):
And and that was a what I was gonna bring up.

SPEAKER_02 (22:06):
I've been there, I've been there.

SPEAKER_03 (22:08):
You've been and that's what one thing, too.
Would it thrive like doesCharlestown have like a monopoly
right now with the casino theygot?
I would say that's a goodquestion.

SPEAKER_02 (22:20):
That big ass casino over there over there by
Baltimore and DC, they got thembig ass joints.
I went to one of them.

SPEAKER_03 (22:26):
Well, yeah, but Baltimore's more like
Baltimore's like two hours, twoand a half hours from us.
I'm saying, are they too closein proximity, like not
knowledge-wise, you know what Imean?
When they say one company's gota lockdown on something.
So that's always to look intotoo.

SPEAKER_01 (22:42):
Yeah, but maybe like you're saying though, maybe what
it is is that they're seeing therevenue, right?
That's being brought in thatthat area.
Like, I know uh, in fact, youknow what?
I'm sorry.
I you know I said because youguys said I'm sorry, was it
Charleston, West Virginia?
Is that what you said?
Charlestown.
Charlestown, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (22:59):
Charlestown.
Yeah, Charlestown.

SPEAKER_01 (23:02):
Being from Pittsburgh, I think the closest
one was Wheeling, West Virginia.
That's where we used to go,Wheeling.

SPEAKER_03 (23:07):
Right, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:09):
But my point is, is like kind of what you're saying
is okay, so maybe it'ssaturated, right?
But maybe that's the wholepoint, is like, yo, they got
some part of my language shitgoing on, right?
Right, we can fucking tap intothat shit, right?
And bring it up here to where,yo, we're losing out on revenue,
revenue, like like like Sizzlesaying jobs, you know.

(23:31):
Also, you know, when you bringentertainment, everybody knows
sports, drugs, entertainment,that's what brings people, you
know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 (23:38):
It's gonna bring drugs and everything else, too,
though.
So there's you know with thebags, it's definitely gonna
bring that stuff, thatprostitution, all that's gonna
come around, right?

SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
And that's the other side of it.
And we and let's also not benaive.
Those things, those things occurwhether there's a casino or not.

SPEAKER_02 (23:52):
That's just right of right, that's a proponent of,
yeah, yeah, of the opportunityto do that, breeding ground for
it because of all the moneythat's around, right?

SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
Right.
So there's a lot of things tounpack with that.
I'm not trying to shut theconversation down, but I'm just
saying there's a lot ofdifferent ways to look at it.
Just as we had a uh uh, youknow, uh uh a prelogue of our
conversation tonight, and it waslike, yo, you also have to
understand, like, because I hadmentioned to you, Sisla, which
you had probably mentioned tome, which I didn't even know
about this shit until justrecently, but yo, like Jay-Z

(24:26):
shit got shut down in 42ndStreet to have a casino, but
Nas, which I love, you know thatalmost like, yeah, okay, you got
Ethered, boy, but anyway, right?
Um, you know, he got approved.
Successfully did a bid, whetherwhether it's business partners
or or whatever.
And I again I kind of asked youguys, is there is there uh

(24:47):
Native American involvement, youknow, right?
And see that's financial backingfrom people that are in the
industry or entertainment, or isit because now I'm gonna tie it
back into what you were talkingabout.
Is it mafia related, or is thereyou know, is there other
gambling aspects to it?
So who's gonna benefit, who'sgonna lose, who's gonna be
affected?

(25:07):
Are residents in in Queens orresidents in Winchester that are
gonna now have to deal with shitthat maybe is not beneficial and
the and and that the scale isnow you know not level, right?
These are the things that we'retrying to discuss, right?

SPEAKER_03 (25:22):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 (25:24):
So I mean I don't know who's trying to open it.
I have no clue who's trying toopen it.

SPEAKER_03 (25:29):
Don't you yeah, I mean it's this no because from
what I've seen, it read only uhyou know, like it's being
presented to the city, you knowwhat I mean?
So they're gonna vote on it.

SPEAKER_02 (25:38):
Somebody had to bring that idea, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:40):
But that was I haven't seen there's not much
details on, like you say, likeis it in the you know who's
funding it or who's getting themoney, whatever, backing it.
So not much information was outon that yet.

SPEAKER_01 (25:54):
Sorry, I'm being a brother with an opinion, but how
do you vote on something legitlegitimately, and even talking
about y'all two?
Because I know I know Tony, likeyou're still in you're still a
VA, right?
So you are you still inWinchester as well, correct?

SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
Yeah, I'm still in Winchester.

SPEAKER_01 (26:13):
Yeah, so the voting of like the sizzle being that
he's from there, does he have aword?
I'll vote with count.
Right.
So that's what I'm saying.
So it comes down to people likeyou, Tony, and I'm not I'm not
putting pressure on you here,but I'm just gonna be
knowledgeable on who's involved.
Is it is it governmental?

(26:33):
Is it private?
Is it a combination thereof?
Who gets affected?
Is it is is yo, are they puttingit in a neighborhood that's an
affluent neighborhood or aneighborhood that's not you know
that that's downtrodden?
And and there might be uh alsouh how do you say it, like uh uh
a benefit of somebody going intoa non-affluent, uh downtrodden

(26:56):
because guess what?
Just because it's downtrodden,so now like Sizzle's saying,
it's bringing jobs, or it'sbringing action, it's bringing
businesses, it you know, sothere's a lot of things to
unpack with that.
There's a lot of things tounpack with that, right?

SPEAKER_03 (27:09):
Yeah, I agree.
So, yeah, that's the thing.
We got to do our research andwho's funding it, what it,
where's the money going?
It's the main thing.

SPEAKER_02 (27:16):
But doesn't Winchester already have a
casino?

SPEAKER_03 (27:19):
Who, Winchester?

SPEAKER_02 (27:21):
Yeah, Zeb knows about it.
I ain't gonna say nothing else.
That's like some lotion, yo.

SPEAKER_03 (27:27):
The only casinos they got is the ones in like the
7-Elevens, the the slot that youoff the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (27:33):
You can't speak on that.

SPEAKER_02 (27:36):
But nah, yeah, I think it would be dope to bring
jobs and then, like you said,revenue.
But here's another thing becausewe're gonna jump into right away
what's been in the in the mainnews today with Chauncey Bill
ups and Terry Rogier and allthese guys getting kicked out
the league from well, indefiniteuntil everybody finds out what's
happening.

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
This is the problems they could bring to Winchester,
everyone.

SPEAKER_02 (28:00):
That's different.
They're tables and this andthat.
They're doing it at theirhouses.
And I think the only reason thatany of these people get in
trouble is because thegovernment's not getting a part
of all that money they'rethey're putting back and forth.
This dude, they Billlips andthem hustled these people out of
seven million dollars.

SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
Well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
So this is the I'll be honest,man.
I heard the news.
Like I was working out in my gymthat's in my in my uh garage uh
this morning and had, of course,ESPN and shit on.
I get up on, and I saw that.
I'm like, yo, okay.
But then now I'm hearing, and Ihate to I hate to be that guy
because you always want to do, Iguess, your own research, which

(28:36):
unfortunately, man, everybodythat says they do research,
they're all doing it online, andwhatever you're getting is what
you're getting.
So you're doing research becauseif you were doing research, your
boots would be on the ground,you know what I'm saying?
Right, you'd have to haveconnections in that field,
right?
But also, like if you're reallydoing real research, man, you're
not going on the internet.
I'm sorry, I'm a little oldschool that way.

(28:57):
Okay, you would have to beinvolved in what's going on.
So, yes, we have opinions, and Irespect that, and we should, but
also we need to know that whatwe're talking about is factual,
right?
So, what and that's why I'mtrying to call myself out, is
that that okay, it's it's mafiarelated.
Well, shit, come on now.
Most fucking racketeering andshit like that is mafia related,

(29:20):
whether it's and people saymafia, it could be, you know,
uh, you know, uh Hispanic mafiatalking about you know South
America, it could be anything,it could be Russian, whatever
you want to call it, it could beany type of shit.
So let's not you know go aheadand categorize people.
But what my point is is I'mhearing that it's over a card

(29:42):
game.
I mean, Cisco, you even know weused to do card games at
Marshall's crib, you know whatI'm saying?
For me, right?

SPEAKER_02 (29:49):
I was doing a bad crib everywhere, but don't
really have money, but not thatkind of money.

SPEAKER_01 (29:55):
Yeah, but this is my that yeah, but who cares, dude?
So hold on, that like let's alsounderstand that.
That too, right?
So if you got somebody, my whichI make decent money, I'm also
not rich, right?
But right, if my hundred dollarsequates to somebody's ten
thousand, right?
It is what it is.
That's not their fault, it's notmy fault either, right?

(30:17):
So if they're playing a cargame, which is supposed to be
the the problem, and this iskind of what I'm trying to get
to, it becomes illegal becausesomebody's profiting off of it.
Not the players, they're takinga rake, and that's that's what
the mafia or or whatever uh uhcriminal organization, that's

(30:37):
where it becomes illegal, right?
Because they're taking a rakeoff of staking the game, having
the game, and that's the part init.
So the government's not gettingno cut.
Right, but if you're getting acut, so my point is, and I'm
just putting this out there, Idon't know.
Again, I'm I'm ignorant to likethe actual facts, but Bill ups,
let's just use Bill Ups.

(30:58):
Because me personally, I'vealways thought Billps, I don't
know the guy, but he looks aslike he's and acts has always
acted like a stand-up guy,right?
Has he not?
He's a point guard.
Point guards typically are theare the people that control the
team and that do it withleadership because they're not
you they're a great athlete, butthey're usually not like the top
scorer, you know what I'msaying?

(31:18):
They're not like the big showguy.
So someone like Bills, who'sgetting back into coaching, he's
trying to coach these young boysup, trying to take a, and of
course, it's some of it'sself-serving.
He wants to be known as a coachand do well, but he's trying to
actually bring up the you bringup the NBA, bring up an
organization, right?
Yeah, and I'm thinking tomyself, I'm saying, yo, you're
gonna tell me that ChaunceyBills is on some fucking illegal

(31:41):
mafia shit.
Sorry, bro.
He was at a fucking game, he'sbeen playing a game, no matter
how much money he's spending, hegot the money.
So, yo, I'm playing in a fuckinggame.
Next thing you know, knock,knock, knock.
Somebody that was sitting atthat motherfucking table for a
long time found out that, oh,this is Chauncey Bills.
This is an opportunity to makehim look bad and make fucking,
you know what I'm saying?

(32:04):
That's kind of my point is thatthere's a lot of layers to this
shit, fellas.
A lot of layers to this shit.

SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
Don't just get that's just Bills, Terry Rogier
and these guys are getting introuble for fucking over and on
purpose on games.
So if you remember the movieBlue Chips with Shaq and Penny
when we were young, and he waslike, Nah, Tony, Tony's my guy.
Because they shit.

SPEAKER_01 (32:23):
That's what I'm asking.
Do you know those specifics?
Are those specifics or or no?

SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
Well, what we know, I'll read it.
I'll read a little bit.
Like what they they got a23-page indictment.
This is from uh SportsIllustrated right now, and they
have 31 people I think they'vearrested so far involved.
But the only names huh?

(32:47):
What's that?

SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
Thank God I'm still here.

SPEAKER_03 (32:50):
Right, right.
So 31 supposedly, and uh, likeyou say, the big names right now
are Chaucey Billups and TerryRozier.
And they're like Chris is avibe, like I think Chauncey Bill
ups is only involved,supposedly, with the poker, you
know, using cameras, whatever.
But uh Rosier is a little moredeep, supposedly, like betting

(33:11):
on games, you know, NBA gamesand that shit.
So that's where that's but he'sinvolved with both, like the
poker, I think.
So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (33:21):
But they got arena support a few months ago, but
then he got off, so but they tryto get in for the same thing
big-ass poker game.

SPEAKER_03 (33:30):
Yeah, I forgot about arenas, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:32):
Yeah, give me one second.
Nature calls, you know what Imean?

SPEAKER_03 (33:35):
Uh go ahead, take a break.
But go ahead, Chris.
What were you saying?

SPEAKER_02 (33:41):
About uh arenas.
But just for for us to know,that's what I've always said,
especially the last coupleyears, man.
It makes me feel like when I wasyoung and I learned that Lex
Luger and Junk the Yard the Junkuh Yard Dog and Brutus the
beefcake, them dudes was allfake.
Every wrestler wasn't real.
And now it's hard for me toenjoy professional sports the

(34:03):
same now, because even if it'smy team, the Knicks or the Ridge
skins or whoever, even when theywin, I still feel like well,
it's still just cheated.
I don't get as upset as more nowbecause I'm like, well, shit's
still cheated.
So it doesn't feel as enjoyableto me.
So I don't care about missinggames and stuff like I used to.
I still love the basketball tip,but it's not the same for me,
man.
And now when you hear storieslike this, and then you hear

(34:25):
people like Tracy McGrady andShaq and Dominique Wilkins,
legends, talk about how theyknew certain games was this and
that, and that yeah, that shittakes the enjoyment out of the
game for me.
Especially if it's those playersthat actually play because
they're the ones that played thegame.

SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Now, the thing is, we all know gambling's big, it's
like has sports like NBA, NFL, Imean you got fantasy, all I
mean, all this betting going on,and it's like they've invited it
in, you know what I mean?
It's like it's so big now.

SPEAKER_01 (34:58):
Yeah, 100% right.
So that's the thing, it's likethey want gambling, but that's
my thing, yeah.
But but to your point, and alsoI think kind of to what
everybody thinks, like thatthat's kind of what they try to
do.
So there's there's gambling itfor the games and all that, but

(35:18):
you don't want somebody that'sdirectly gonna have an effect on
that game.
That's what it's about, nothaving an effect on that game,
and that's where I'm sorry, mepersonally, when I first heard
it, I'm like, damn, that's crazybecause I wouldn't think
Chauncey Bills would ever likelike like like sabotage the game
that he loves and that he'srepresented for so long.

(35:40):
I always looked at him assomebody who's stand-up.
I'm not I don't fucking knowChauncey Phillips, bro, you
know, but you get a vibe frompeople, even over, you know,
even over TV and entertainment,you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (35:52):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (35:53):
I heard that, I'm also thinking, nah, man, there's
something else.
If the guy was playing a fuckinggame with his own money and it's
talking about just uh uh youknow poker or blackjack or dude,
I play blackjack all day, huh?

SPEAKER_03 (36:08):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (36:10):
I mean, he can't play blackjack or he can't play
poker because he's a NBA coach?
Come on, let's be real.
Everybody so then why are youguys selling fucking poker
tables on Amazon?
Like, come on, man.
Let's like, let's, let's, let's,let's cut the shit here.
And that's where, again,brothers with opinion.
So I'm just speaking my opinion,but it's just kind of silly that

(36:32):
if he wasn't affecting NBAgames, NBA players that he
interacts with, because I also Iwas thinking, well, well, what
well, Terry Rogier, okay.
Well, I guess maybe he knowsTerry Rogier because he's from
what he plays in Detroit, right?

SPEAKER_03 (36:47):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
So obviously, Bill ups comes from Detroit, at least
the organization, right?
So does he know him and he'smaking him bet on games and
shit?
And that's probably what theproblem is, and they're trying
to unpack and try to figure outis yo, is Bills telling this
motherfucker to throw shit?
Yeah, it might not be on histeam.
So I get all that too.
And you know, a lot of people Ihate to say it, man, bash on the

(37:10):
government, you know what Imean, that way.
But think about it, you gottamake sure that you're trying to
maintain some some type ofregularity around this
motherfucker.
Because if you don't, then it'sfucking wild, wild west all day,
bro.
And it already is.
So if you have nothing tooverseas, then what are we doing
here, you know?

unknown (37:27):
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (37:27):
But Terry Rogier first got arrested for playing
with the Heat.
And it's it's the games they'reusing and showing when he's
throwing the ball away onpurpose, and like oh, and he
stumbles and he played for theCharlotte Hornets.

SPEAKER_01 (37:39):
Oh, so they're you're actually seeing like
video evidence where it's like,damn, this shit looks sketchy.

SPEAKER_02 (37:44):
Like a lot of players, Jr., who now plays for
the Brooklyn Nets, he theyinterviewed him and he said, if
I can help him, Michael PorterJr.
play for the Brooklyn Nets.
Brooklyn! He um he said in aninterview recently, he said if I
could help my friends all make acome up and get money by me
telling them what I'm gonna do,or this and that, and I'm gonna

(38:05):
I'm gonna mess up on purpose, orI'm gonna tell them what's
happening.
He said, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 (38:09):
Yeah, but also let's be real though.

SPEAKER_02 (38:11):
That like I hear me to be real.
That's the NBA player sayingthis.

SPEAKER_01 (38:15):
Well, at least at least he's being honest, but
also that honesty right there initself, it does it does fuck up
the game, bro.
So, especially to even those whoare making the bets, like
someone like myself who bet onsome games tonight.
So now I know that this cat isout there just worrying about
his homies, which is fine.

(38:36):
I love my homies too.
I'm always gonna take care of myhomies.
But now you're doing that insideof the game, that's where it's a
fucking problem, dog.
That's a problem.

SPEAKER_02 (38:44):
Yeah, they should keep gambling away from all
y'all these fucking draft crits.

SPEAKER_01 (38:48):
Come back to Winchester.

SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
Every one of my friends does it, but me.
All my boys do that draft, andthey're always like parlay,
parlay.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (38:58):
Hey, I get I gamble.
Hey, everybody, I don't doluckily.
I'm not, I'm not addicted andspin.
I I I actually can I controlmyself.
I give myself a limit, like2020, and that's it.

SPEAKER_02 (39:13):
It looks right with missed pill goals and extra
points, and it just happens outthe blue, like he makes six in a
row, boink, right?

SPEAKER_03 (39:21):
But but a little more details will go back to you
know, Charles Billets and thesecard games.
They were saying he was usingX-ray machines built into tables
to read face-down cards, contactlenses, glasses that uh read
pre-marked cards and secretcan't and secret cameras and

(39:41):
card grades.

SPEAKER_01 (39:42):
Yeah, but wait, hold on though.
But so let me ask.
All right, sorry.
I I want you to read that andthank you for reading that.
But dude, yeah, all right.
So is Bills running the games?
Is he running the games?

SPEAKER_03 (39:55):
Good question.

SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
Yeah, I'm guessing they were things, and he doesn't
know who is, which obviously heknows who is, but is he involved
in actually having having thosesystems placed under the table
and all that shit?
Or is he just there playing andthat's happening?
You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 (40:14):
Even that in itself, that's what they're gonna have
to figure out with all thesepeople that's getting arrested
and being questioned and beingdetained and everything.
But they've all the NBA guyshave all currently been
suspended indefinitely, sothat's still guilty without
being proven innocent orwhatever.
Like they're if you're suspendedindefinitely, they're they're
already kind of saying, Well,you're guilty.

SPEAKER_01 (40:33):
Well, you're supposed to do says you're just
gonna let them play and they'regonna figure it out.
No, you gotta you gotta at leasthey, you know what?
You're involved in something,I'm gonna put you on suspension
until we figure it out.
I understand that, you know whatI mean.
I understand, right?

SPEAKER_02 (40:47):
Right, yeah, because they're on their poker game.
I'm not gonna have my job, ain'teven gonna know about it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
That's the problem, bro.
No, I I hate to say this, butnobody gives a shit about Tony's
job, Chris's job, Ray's job.
It's only celebrities likeChauncey Phillips, who got a
little name for himself and isinvolved on a larger scale than
we are.
So, of course, if there is anyinvolvement, it just opens up
the reason for somebody to dosomething.

SPEAKER_03 (41:13):
Right, right.
Well, hey, it's interesting,guys, but I'm with you.
If you can't play cards in yourown house, you know, but like
you mentioned before, it's likethat somebody bang on that,
like, hey, give me a cut.
You know, they're a lot ofmoney, but these men, you know,
they see it and they come in,and the and I think that's what
it ultimately it is.
Somebody came in and was justlike, hey, you're gonna give me

(41:35):
a cut.
Well, also you know why, youknow why.

SPEAKER_01 (41:39):
Sorry to interrupt you, sir.
Go ahead, you're good.
But you know why.
That's why it's a big deal,right?
Because it's a big cash game,regardless.
If Charlie Bills is there,Michael Jordan, you know,
everybody knows Michael Jordanlikes to gamble.
I'm not trying to feel aboutMichael Jordan, but he's just an
example of, I'm sure Tiger, whodon't like to gamble?
That's the whole point.

(42:00):
People are small, which we'renot that small, but you know,
people like us, we like togamble, right?
So you know why this shit'shappening?
Because the government, and I'mnot an anti-government person,
never have, never will be, butwhy is this happening?
Because the government ismissing out on their cut.

SPEAKER_03 (42:18):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (42:20):
What this is all about is that they're missing
out on their cut.
So, okay, the mafia or whatevercriminal organization, which you
know what?
Listen, criminal organizationsare an organization just like
any other, and and I'm nottrying to say our government,
because government is important.
Without government, you have no,you know, you know, no lines,

(42:42):
right?
And maybe that's where it needsto be.
I don't know.
But point being is that's whythis is happening, is because
the government realizes damn, wedone got cut out of our cut, and
now we're trying to get ours.
That's really what this is.

SPEAKER_03 (42:56):
Yeah, I'm totally with it.
Usually that's what it boilsdown to they're not getting
their cut.
They're percent.

SPEAKER_02 (43:01):
Uh so it's the same reason why us sell food on the
streets and shit without alicense.
You can't sell your own food,you your own food you make and
bake or whatever.
You can't do it without alicense.
That's that's OD, and it'sbecause they they don't get no
percentage, right?
Right.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
But then it pulls us into the whole, you know, uh,
which I don't know if you wantto go down this route, but you
know, the whole immigration shitand all that, you know, because
you start talking about, yeah,and I agree with you, like, yo,
if I cook some mac and cheeseand I want to go on the corner
and I sell a piece of mac andcheese for five dollars and
people want it, but I have tohave a license for this shit,

(43:42):
it's dumb.
That's just gone, right?

SPEAKER_04 (43:44):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (43:46):
But when you also bring it into like the
immigration shit, yo, hey, and Iknow Sizzle, I know we've had
conversations about this.
You're like, dude, it's a wholeworld.
You should be able to gowherever you want.
But like, there's also things inplace for a reason, right?
Because there are governments,there are taxes, there are
these, and I'm not sitting heresaying that I think somebody,
because I'm dealing with itright now, my tattoo artist, his

(44:06):
father is like 80 somethingyears old, right?
He got busted back in the day,offloading some drugs off a boat
down in Miami, right?

SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
Dude, the guy did his time, right?
Never became a citizen.
He's fucking 80 years old.
He had a business for thelongest, and they're and now
he's got an attorney, my artistfor his my my uh my my tattoo
artist has a has a fuckingattorney for his dad.
They're trying to deport hisass.

(44:37):
The guy's fucking 80 somethingyears old.
He was getting social security,right, paying fucking taxes,
right?
And now he's gotta go because hewas caught one time and it has,
at least to my knowledge, onceagain, not there.
I don't know everything.
But I'm like, this dude's 80fucking years old.
He was security, he had abusiness, and you're trying to

(44:59):
get that dude out?
No, dude.
Get the fucking 23-year-old whohopped the fence or whatever you
want to call it, dude.
I'm not even being that guy, butget the guys who are doing real
fucked up shit on a consistentbasis that didn't do their time.
You got him, all right?
Get him out.
Fine, cool.
But don't get an 80-year-old,dude.

(45:20):
This guy is probably in fuckingclose to a wheelchair, death,
and now you're gonna send himback to Cuba.
He don't even fucking know Cubaat this point.

SPEAKER_03 (45:27):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
Like, like, what are we doing here?
He got big taxes, he had abusiness, didn't get in no
trouble since he did his littletime.
Like, he probably did fiveyears, whatever the fuck,
probably got too much timealready.
It's a fucking drug offense.
We all know drug offenses arefucked up.
So these are the things thatlike irk people to start to
like, yo, like well, all right,where is there an understanding

(45:50):
of actually how to implementreal law that should make sense
to people?
You know what I'm saying?
Right, right.
And that's the problem, is a lotof these things don't make sense
to people, like at ChaunceyPhillips.
Bro, I'm playing in a fuckinggame.
I'm fucking playing money.
I don't know who's taking arake.
Now, like you're saying, if hehe's the one that's over here
looking at people's cards andshit like that, okay, whatever.

(46:13):
But still, that's that game.

SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
The problem that the government has is not that he
maybe he saw cards, da-da-da.
It's that they're not gettingtheir fucking take.

SPEAKER_03 (46:24):
Yeah, they're not getting there, they'll come back
like, oh, well, you did youneeded a license to pay, you
know, they will like you neededa permit to play these games at
your house.

SPEAKER_01 (46:34):
Yeah, the all the hijacking, but like these are
the things like it's like, bro,in your mind, you'd be thinking,
like, wait, hold on, man.
I'm not that dumb to realize,like, yo, oh, it's just because
he Champsy Phillips is the onethat had this game and that was
looking at fucking people'scards under the table and all
this shit with fucking contactsand all that.
Get out of here, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (46:54):
I don't know.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_02 (46:55):
We'll find out, like, he's the one that leaves
the team.
He might know how to do allthat, and he thought about it
because he's sharp.
We did we'll find out.
But in the meantime, let'sswitch sports.

SPEAKER_03 (47:05):
Ray Rain don't want to believe it.
He's like, Man, Chelsea Bills ismy boy.

SPEAKER_02 (47:09):
Like, sports where the gambling still happens, but
we're gambling, except for y'allgonna pick who y'all got winning
the World Series with Torontofirst time back since '93.
And then the Rodgers, who justwon last year, to me have the
best baseball player in theworld right now, at least in the
majors that I can see.
And that show how to tani.
But what you guys think?

(47:30):
Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead,Tom.

SPEAKER_03 (47:32):
I mean, hey, I'll admit I don't watch much
baseball until it comes toplayoff, but we all know about
Atani.
The guy, he he's an animal.
You know, is he the best ever?
Possibly.
Uh, but uh the Dodgers to mewin.
You know, just watch it a littlebit.
They're too dominant, they gottoo much.

(47:53):
You know, they're pitching,hitting.
To me, they're too deep.
Good luck, Blue Jays, is all Igotta say.
Like, I I see a sweep coming.
Like, for the so go ahead, Ray.
You got something.
I see you want to chime in.

SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
So y'all know, I mean, well, since you're the
base, you're the baseball guy.
I'm a big baseball guy, man.
So grew up playing ball.
I won a fucking uh New York CityChampionship, men's league, and
shit up there in the Bronx.
I was probably one of the onlywhite cats on the team.
This shit.
Um I love baseball, always willlove baseball.

(48:27):
I think it's um I hate whenpeople tell me that it's a
boring game because they don'trealize the the mental and also
the physical.
The people say, Oh, Bo, you'renot really running nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (48:38):
You have no fucking idea what that shit's like.

SPEAKER_03 (48:40):
Well, well, well, Ray, I'll chat.
Hey, I played till I was 13, 14years old, and I stopped because
hey, I I couldn't hit for shit,I'll admit that.
Like, but I could I was a hellof a shortstop.
I'll say, like, I could playdefense, but you're right.
Like, I love bait, like playingit.
It's it is you that is one gamewhere you've got to be thinking
every play.

(49:01):
Where am I going with the ball?
You know, and I love it.
Like, it's a thinking man'sgame, big time.

SPEAKER_01 (49:06):
A dynamic game, but it's also a very athletic game,
and that's where I think peoplenow.
I understand you're running upand down the court playing
basketball.
That there's there's differentdynamics in every sport.
But people say, What?
You think tennis players aren'tathletic?
Like, come on, let's be real.
Right.
Same thing with baseball.
I mean, you can play badmintonfor all I care.
That shit is is is athletic.

(49:28):
You gotta be athletic to do.

SPEAKER_02 (49:29):
The greatest athlete ever played football.
I mean, basketball, whatever,whatever sport we're talking
about, baseball.
He played all of them actuallyplayed for that's the but that's
the whole point, man.

SPEAKER_01 (49:38):
Is that is that first off, I gotta say that
right there.
Anyone that tells me that thatbaseball number one is like
you're not athletic, you're justan idiot.
Like that you're you really haveno idea as to you know uh
hand-eye coordination and andthen what it takes to actually
be a baseball player.
Now, there's uh I understand,okay, you play first base and

(49:58):
they're running a lot, but justeven like the ability to scoop
and all these different things,man, it's a lot, man.
It's a lot.
So I just gotta say that rightthere.
Please understand that fact.
Maybe it's not your cup of tea.
I'm okay with that.
That's fine.

SPEAKER_02 (50:12):
But anyway, back to the kind of like what we've been
to Finway, Yankee Stadium, CityField, Old Shea Stadium, Autumn
together.
Here's one here's one thing Iwill say because you're a music
guy.
You remember Tony Touch?
Come on.
Because I hear Tony's fingersover there going.
I'm commenting.
We had a comment from MikeHamrick, and he said, Yes, we're

(50:33):
checking.

SPEAKER_01 (50:35):
And uh, it's gonna be long-winded, as you guys
know.
I'm long-winded.

SPEAKER_03 (50:38):
Go ahead, go ahead, man.
The floor is yours.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
So you're probably right that the Dodgers are gonna
win.
They got more talent.
They got my homeboy.

SPEAKER_02 (50:48):
You're not gonna sweep them.

SPEAKER_01 (50:49):
He went, he he played at Boston.
Betts.
I probably damn near cried in myin my pillow when Betts got
traded over to the Dodgers,right?

SPEAKER_03 (50:59):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
Um, the re another reason why I love Betts is
because Betts is multi-talented.
He can play the outfield, he canplay second, he can play short,
he can play anywhere.
He probably can play catcher.
That's a real that guy is a 300bowler.
I love bowling too.
He this dude's a fucking beast.
He's probably a beast at chess,too.
But point is, he's a little guy,which is crazy.

(51:21):
But yeah, they got all thetalent.
Max Muncie.
They got this guy, Edmund, um,even the other guy that played
for the Sox for a while, KikiHernandez.
They got um uh uh obviouslyOtani, uh Freddie Freeman.
I mean, Freeman's uh uh you knowuh MVP.
Uh yeah, exactly.

(51:42):
Braves.
So for the Braves for a while,right?
You got you're one of theirworst pitchers now.
He's one of the best pitchers ofall time, which is Clinton
Kershaw.
They got Yamamoto, they gotobviously Otani.
I don't even gotta speak onOtani.
Yeah, we know he's probably thethe the next coming up Dave

(52:02):
Ruth, right?

SPEAKER_03 (52:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (52:05):
So yeah, he's the top guy.
Well, I I can't lie, I'm thetype of person personally that I
hate Giants, man.
I've always hated Giants.
I don't mean New York Giants, Imean San Francisco Giants.
I just that's why I was a RedSox fan too.
And I was from up there, you'reeither a Sox fan, Yanks fan, or
a total loser and a Mets fan.
Can't do that.
So being from Connecticut, soI'm a Sox fan.

(52:28):
Also, you Strzemski back in theday, uh, back in the 60s and 70s
and 80s, um, Kosinski, lastname, so makes sense, you know,
Polish.
Right.
But um, my point is, is I thinkthe Dodgers probably will win,
but I'm rooting for Toronto.

SPEAKER_03 (52:47):
Yeah, the owner, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:48):
Yeah, especially because Vladdy with his with his
with his father, his father wasa hard-nosed kind of guy and
wild swinger, very aggressiveswinger.
Um, you know, Toronto hasfucking mad max, max surgeons,
and a fucking nut job.

SPEAKER_03 (53:06):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
You know, you guys two colored eyes talking about
contacts.

SPEAKER_03 (53:13):
No, I missed that.
No, I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:15):
But like scrappy, man.
They're scrappy, they're hungry.
George Springer, he's fromConnecticut, New Britain, I
believe.
So I'm I'm going for Toronto,man.
I'm I'm I'm rooting for them,and I think they got the ability
to do it, they're there, so ofcourse they've got yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:29):
I mean, yeah, they they got a chance.
They always got a chance, youknow.

SPEAKER_01 (53:34):
Point is because you're probably right.
Got this like this.
I just I hope I hope thatToronto makes it a series.
Yeah, well, it will be becausebaseball needs money.

SPEAKER_03 (53:45):
Well, there we yeah, there goes that money thing.
Vegas will have a hand in it.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (53:49):
At least one or two extra games.
You need that money.
I mean, look at the contractsthat Otani and some of these
guys get.
Yeah, you need it.
It's not coming just, it's notcoming just from a$20 beer and a
$12 hot dog.

SPEAKER_01 (54:02):
No, but now now that now that Sizzle says that, you
know, those are the worries thatI think you have when it comes
down, let's go back to kind ofthe Chonky Phillips shit, is
that not just gambling, but asactually Sizzle's kind of
alluding to, is the revenue thatcomes from an extra game or to
or make it excuse me, uh get toyou know, a game seven.

(54:25):
Think about, like he's saying,the hot dogs, the pretzels, the
beers, the people that areworking there, the people that
are taking tickets, the peoplethat are giving out uh
concessions, the people that areuh checking tickets to make sure
that you're going to the rightseats, the the you know, uh uh
Uber, right?
People taking games like that'sbig for a city.

(54:46):
So I'm kind of understandingwhat Sisel's saying here is that
yo, there's like if it's asuite, if it's four games
straight, that might not be agood thing for uh not only just
MLB, but just the cities, thethe people that are working
there.
So there's a lot of shit thatnow you wonder, like, okay,
maybe they are like fuck it,man.

(55:07):
We'll kind of throw this gamebecause it's beneficial for the
whole system, is what I'm kindof saying.

SPEAKER_03 (55:12):
Right, right.
And that's always the question.

SPEAKER_02 (55:16):
And I don't think this is any part of it, but we
never know how many teams playin Canada in baseball.

SPEAKER_01 (55:22):
I think it's only one now, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (55:24):
And they're in the World Series.
Yeah, you at the US as a whole,they lose a lot of money if you
can't keep a couple games in theUS because it's gonna be in Los
Angeles to start, obviously.
So if you sweep them, thatfinishes in Toronto.
So I know baseball, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 (55:38):
I know baseball a lot, uh obviously, but I I know
that there's been some changes.
I it used to be like the way thethe this it was like two, two,
two, and then one.
I think it's changed now,though, right?

SPEAKER_02 (55:51):
Is it two three?
No.
Three, no, what is it?
Two, three, two.

SPEAKER_01 (55:57):
I think it's two, three, two now.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:00):
Oh, for yeah, I hold on, I'll go look it up real
quick.
Yeah, and they're alwayschanging it.

SPEAKER_02 (56:05):
That's how that's how this if you sweep them, it's
gonna always be one on the onthe road for the the it's
probably two, like you'resaying, it's probably two,
three, two.

SPEAKER_01 (56:14):
In fact, I think that's what it is, but I'm not
sure.
I don't believe it used to betwo two one one one, but uh I
don't I don't believe that's thecase anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (56:25):
So we got let's see.

SPEAKER_01 (56:27):
Go ahead.
He's looking it up, but while isimagine if it's if it's if it
was two three two that's what itis.

SPEAKER_03 (56:37):
It's two three two.

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
All right, cool.
If it used to be two, two, youknow what I'm saying, two, two,
one, or two, two, one, one, one,think about the revenue for each
city if you were to miss a game.
You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03 (56:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (56:52):
So that that that's all I'm saying.
It's like that there's ways ofthinking about it that way, you
know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (56:56):
Yeah, so yeah, they got their setup two three two
now, and the NBA does the samething, and the NBA does the same
thing, right?
They went to the two three oneone, but they did do two three
two there for a minute, though,like for a while, then they
changed it back.
Yeah, two, two, one, yeah, one,one.
Yeah, but think about it, man.

SPEAKER_01 (57:17):
That's a huge difference.
Got you know, I'm saying for acity, if you know, if it was,
you know, the uh the other wayaround, it potentially like yo,
okay, we only got half where wecould have got a hell of a lot
more.
So that's definitely somethingthat you gotta kind of consider
in that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (57:32):
Right.
Yep, yep.
So guys, are we we're windingdown here to the end of the
show?
But we we can keep we can keepgoing, but I wanted to shout out
like uh Mike Hambrick, he's a uha big fan.
He was on last week.
He he's sitting there sayingWinchester could use a top golf
or a David Busters.

SPEAKER_01 (57:51):
Uh Ray, you ever go to that?
What top golf?

SPEAKER_03 (57:54):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:55):
So I've been to Top Golf um uh uh a couple times, I
think, in Fort Lauderdale area,um, twice now.
Um in Tampa.
Top golf is cool as a golfer,which I'm not like some pro, but
I'm I'm I'll tell you guys rightnow that's on this podcast.
Like, I'm not no, I'll neverclaim to be a pro golfer, but

(58:15):
I've shot as low as 77, which tome that's fucking darn good.

SPEAKER_02 (58:19):
Yeah, that is a small town to give people
something to do, huh?
Would it be good to bring to asmaller community to give people
something to do?

SPEAKER_01 (58:28):
I'll tell you right now, so that actually that comes
along with they love golf downthere, but that's what I'm
saying.
It's like you're you're kind ofyou were talking about that,
like yo, there's nothing to doin Winchester back to the casino
shit, right?
Yeah, but if you're a top golf,believe me, that's gonna bring
in business.
That's gonna, I'm not talkingagainst casinos.
I love casinos, but my point is,is if there's lacking of things

(58:50):
to do, and that's the onlyanswer, that's not the answer.
Because if you were to put likea top golf out there, man, you
see a lot of young kids, parentsbringing their kids, you know.
I personally, as a golfer, Idon't like hitting off a mat.
I think it's like kind of likethe games are kind of bullshit,
but do I still love going andit's great?
You have a couple cocktails, yougot some food, right?

(59:11):
Some people, you're playing somegames, you're hitting a golf
ball.
It's not for a golfer, but it isfor the masses who appreciate
golf and also just wantsomething else to do, like
you're saying.
Right.
So to answer your question, isyeah, Winchester or an area like
Winchester would definitelybenefit from like a top golf.

(59:31):
And is it fun?
And is it fun even more,probably for people who aren't
like you know, people who reallylike golf like that?
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's kind of like abowling, man, on some real
estate.
Right.
It's bowling, and everybodyloves bowling.
If you don't love bowling, thenjust get off the planet, right?

SPEAKER_03 (59:47):
Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 (59:48):
We brought the bowling alley up last week,
actually.
It's the same bowling alley fromwhen Tony and I were in
elementary.

SPEAKER_03 (59:53):
Oh, god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:54):
We have a truck to upgrade or build another one.
There's there's no go karts, putput.
Golf.
There's no like no.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:02):
We do have go-karts now.
There are go-karts.
There's go-karts down the road.
Apple Valley, isn't it calledtowards the case?
I mean, it's not in, but it's onthe outside of Winchester, like
a mile or two out.
So, but there's still go-kartsaround.
So, and it it's not the best,but it's something.
You know, it's small, but it'ssomething.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:25):
Stop treating people small, like because it's a small
town.
Like, that's how you're gonna belike, Oh, we ain't got nothing.
But build a dream.
Like the dreams back tobaseball.
If you build it, they will come.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:36):
So I'm gonna bring something up.
How about um let's talk aboutsomething real quick?
And I don't know if you guys aretrying to wrap it up, but uh so
that last night was uh the greatwhite hoax uh you know uh start
to his career, Cooper Plague.
Um if y'all saw it, I I saw it.
Um I have I to be honest withyou, like I'm watching like that

(01:00:59):
New Telecast is no longer um NBAon TNT, it's on ESPN now.
So they were all cracking jokesabout that.
You know how them three guysare.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:07):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:08):
Um, uh uh what's his name?
Anderson, Kenny Anderson.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:15):
They are the best show.
Oh, they're they're hilarious.
I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:19):
So now like they're they're talking talking smack,
you know.
They're they're uh uh you know,it's not KFC, it's Popeyes,
which Popeyes is the bestchicken out there.
I don't give a fuck what nobodysays.
It's the best chicken out there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:32):
Um I actually only We was watching Wimby.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:35):
Uh huh.
Yeah, so no, my questionactually.
Yeah, so what's your question?
But did you guys watch any ofthat?
Because I'll tell you right now,Cooper Flag, which I understand,
man.
He's a kid, he's a kid, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:46):
He I mean he's 18.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:50):
He's a yeah, he's an adult.
He's 18.
Sorry, he's short of 19, butI'll tell you this.
I can only imagine, you know,and I I I'm somebody that loves
adversity and loves, like, youknow, I do love a spotlight, as
you can see.
I like the talk.
But but um he was so hesitant,bro, to shoot.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:10):
Was he?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:10):
Oh, it was so dude, it was really odd.
But also, Kenny, Charles, andShaq, and Ernie, they all were
saying, like, they're like, yo,I know that um Kyrie's out,
right?
But so they got they they hadCooper running point.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:31):
Cooper, I do know that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:33):
Yeah, I I love it.
I love it because okay, so allyour different talents, and
maybe that's what you need tofill that slot.
But nah, they could have hadD'Angelo Russell running the
point, and Cooper's stillplaying uh uh swing man, what do
you call it?
Yeah, that's what it is, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:50):
Yeah, on the on the on the wing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:52):
Yeah, but right that's that's that's that's what
they need.
He's a top scorer, he's shy toshoot because he also doesn't
want to be like, oh, I'm new onthe block and I'm just shooting.
So he hard duty shot two shotsin the fucking in the in the in
the front.
Now do you think it would havebeen nasty?
He just missed that shit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:13):
But but I'm with you, like I missed it, but like
you know, I coach basketball, soI know so maybe him has he ever
that's the thing, it's like hashe ever played the one?

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:24):
I I don't did he play the one in Duke, like I
mean in high school he playedeverything, but Jason, but their
coach is, and he's obviously oneof the greatest point guards
ever.
But but what I'm getting at isyou gotta put Ray, he won't
stick with that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:40):
Say that again, so and then let Tony go.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:42):
Jason Kidd said in in preseason he was gonna try
out different things whileKyle's because they have a
special talent with Cooper andthey still have AD of them.
He said he's gonna try them atpoint and stuff.
But I'm pretty sure if itdoesn't work after a couple
games, they're gonna have toswitch it because they also came
there 40 last.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:58):
And look, we've all and we've all played basketball.
We know, right?
Like uh the point guard is thequarterback.
Oh the bad right, and is was hecomfortable?
Not saying he's not talented, itwas something new to him, but
he's more like you said, Ray, anoff-ball put like create
opportunities for your score,right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:19):
That he's their second and second best scorer.
Why is he throwing the ballbringing it up?
Because now he's facilitating,which is great.
I'm sure you got other people tofacilitate to do that, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:32):
I I I can agree.
Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:35):
Number one, it's his first time playing in the in the
league, right?
Look, and at the end of the day,who really gives a shit?
It don't matter, he's gonna befine.
There's other games, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:45):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:47):
But for his first game, he was at a bad situation
because he's expected now tofacilitate for the team and not
be I'm gonna be the guy, right?
Right, and then also on top ofyo, I am the guy that
everybody's looking to see tolike do the damn thing, and he
can't be that, and then alsojust because you're being

(01:05:09):
supposed to be that, you'realready nervous, you're 18.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:12):
It's just it was a i I felt like it was a recipe for
uh on summer league and thepreseason, but this is your
first real game where youactually have all your starters
being your teammates now and notthe backups and guys trying to
make it to the G League,whatever.
And whoever you were playing inthe preseason, it wasn't Mr.

(01:05:33):
Wimby.
And I'm pretty sure when helooked at them, dude, he's like,
What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:37):
Wimby, we gotta talk about Wimby.

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:39):
Talk about that, talk about that because Wemby
saw the because I I love Wimby.
I watched the Knicks of course,and we walked so I had to watch
that, and then I didn't teachmuch.
But I love Wimby and I know wehad 40 and just jumped all over
him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:54):
This this guy, like, I watched the highlights.
I you know, I had to get up forwork, but and people were
texting my brother andeverything, like, dude, Wimby,
that what is he?
Seven four, seven, how tall ishe?

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:05):
Yeah, he's seven.
He's four.
But listen to this, Tony.
That dude, yo, real shit.
I seen him live.
Sizzle was supposed to be there,but I seen him live.
And uh, and uh, I'll tell youwhat, man, this guy, he's
obviously he's thinner thanKevin Durant, right?

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:23):
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:24):
But this dude, he was breaking it down like a
fucking like he was ChaunceyPhillips.
Right, right.
He was getting fouled, fallingback, hitting it.
And you know what?
You know, like, and I I hate tobe like that because LeBron's
one of the best to ever play thegame, but he was doing it on
some where like you're beingfouled and not LeBron fouled.

(01:06:47):

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:48):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:49):
Like he was getting fouled, he was getting stepped
on, getting pushed, and hittingshots that like normally you
probably shouldn't be hitting,and he putting it down, dude.
I don't even know what he endedup with because I think he had
40.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:04):
I think he ended with 40, right, Chris?
40 points.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:07):
Uh yeah, he might as well have.
Dude, that guy's balling, and hehe is a special talent, man.
He's he's at 40.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:16):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:16):
He's different, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:18):
Yeah, nobody seemed that tall, that agile, can
handle the ball, can handle youknow, at that high.
How do you stop that?
Do you think that but that'sKevin Durant another fucking six
inches?
Yeah, right, yeah.
And the thing that, but that's agood example because to me, last
year was what Wimby's rookieyear, right?
And I can lead the Cooper flagago or two years, like he didn't

(01:07:41):
have the best season as arookie, you know.
I mean, so a lot of theserookies, too, you know, they're
feeling their way and the game,and you know, because everybody
was dogging Wimby at first.
His but now look at dude, he heto me, Wimby is now now he's
figured it out.
Watching him land, like, dude,he can dominate anybody, like
you can't stop that guy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:08:02):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:03):
So you gotta give these young kids time to figure
it out, too.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:08):
Oh, yeah, so Kevin Durant and now Wimby and all
those people, even look at CarAnthony Towns and Jokic, all
these dudes that can play likebig guards and shoot threes, is
the reason if you ain't six fiveand taller, you good luck trying
to think you're going to the NBAnow on.
I agree with that.
There's not playing pointguards.
Like, how can you even guardhim?
You can be the best in yourhome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:29):
You are definitely you are definitely an anomaly if
you could like because I thinkeven it's funny because he looks
so small.
I believe, I believe StephenCurry's listed at 6'4.
Yeah, he's like 6'2.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:40):
He's listed at that, but I don't think he's that
tall.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:43):
I'm 6'2.
I'm like honestly, probably sixone and a half.
You know how that goes back inhigh school or college.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:51):
But dog, like like Sis was saying, man, if you
ain't, if you ain't like 6'4,6'5, you really, I mean, you
gotta be a dog, man.
You gotta be a dog.
Hey, I love that because I loveseeing dogs play, but it really
basketball is one of those gameswhere you gotta fit a certain
mold, and if you ain't if youain't got that, man, you better
be a fucking beast, you knowwhat I mean?

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:12):
Yeah, I just mean I think even if you're a beast,
when you're if you're smallerthan six three, I don't think
you make it.
They're gonna have to put themin the G League.
Right.
I I was about to say it, man.
I was about to say they gotattacked.
I think within five or sixyears, everybody's six, seven
and up just and they can ball.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:28):
Well, what was the rock and starting lineup, Chris,
the other night?
Their height.
They're starting five.
Yeah.
So that's where that's a wholenother conversation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:09:42):
There, like, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:46):
But guys, hey, we'll we'll keep you Ray, we'll keep
you on.
We'll end this real quick.
We got a new segment called theTuck Rule.
Shout out to my our friend JP.
He gave this idea.
We uh Chris, you your tuck rule.
He's gonna come up with uhwhatever's on his mind.
And Chris, you remember what uhis on your mind?
And then we give our opinion onit.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:08):
I I want to know how much people really think.
This is this is my little tuckrule this week.
How much do people really thinkcoffee and energy drinks are uh
really give you that shit, or isit just mental?
Because people I drink coffeebefore I drink coffee before
bed, I make a whole pot.
And people are like, what areyou doing?
I'm like, because it's time tobe tired.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:28):
Yeah, listen, there's something better than
coffee and energy drinks.
I ain't just gonna say itthough.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:33):
No, of course, right.
If people, if people think thatthat's what really gives them
energy, what do you guys think?
Because I know I don't knowabout you, Ray, but you you done
switched it up, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:42):
That wasn't the question you had.
He done switched it up on me,Ray.
Huh?

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:48):
Don't you get nervous now because you drink
coffee all day long?

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:51):
So, what's your question now since you switched
it up?
You you talking about doescoffee give me energy or the
shits?
Is that what you're talkingabout?
No.
What repeat it drinks?

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:03):
See, you're getting C now, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:04):
That's it so what so what about them?
They don't work for me.
I I drink a like well, energydrink.
Is it more mental?
I believe no, I believe, like,if you don't drink it, like if
you drink it all the time, thatthere's no offense.
You do it too much, like you'reyou become immune to it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:25):
You know that's the thing.
It's like an addiction, likeanything else, bro.
Look at me.
Look, I smoke, I smokecigarettes for years, and
honestly, I I hate to say itlike this.
I love the act of smoking acigarette, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:38):
Yeah, a lot of people say, Yep, that's a right,
it's just the act of it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:41):
But I'll be honest, I know that it's not good for
me.
My mother, God bless her soul,died lung cancer.
She wasn't a heavy smoker, shejust smoked at five o'clock
every day, listening to herNancy Wilson on a motherfucking
actual vinyl.
But but my point is, is like nowI'm smoking this.
People be like, yo, but it ain'tno better.

(01:12:01):
I'm like, well, dude, I'm doingsomething.
Yeah, I'm trying to dosomething, you know.
So it's it's it's pick yourpoison, pick your poison, do
what you can, be the bestversion that you can be, and
understand that even when youthink you're being your best
version, there's another step tobe your better version.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:19):
Yeah, love it.
Love it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:21):
I think they're each their own, man.
I think everybody's quick tojudge other people, and they
they ain't worried about theirfucking selves.
Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:32):
Yeah, well, that's a very good point.

SPEAKER_02 (01:12:33):
So does both.
Okay, who cares?
Your bottled water ain't nobetter than what I'm drinking
because it's sits in plastic allday.
Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:43):
I don't know.
I am over energy.
Some of them energy drinks, man.
You drink a lot of that thatshit.
It I think those can get to you.
Now, coffee on the I thinkcoffee's to me, coffee's healthy
for you.
Drink it black.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:54):
Coffee's the most original form of caffeine,
right?
But also when people add, whichI'm one of those, I don't, which
I've drank it black before.
Um, but I I typically don't, Imean, who really likes that
taste?
You do get immune to it, and youkind of end up like but a lot of
people add sugar and milk orwhatever else, creamers and

(01:13:14):
shit.
I'm not against coffee.
I mean, if you if you thinkabout it, it's probably even
with sugar and cream and allthat shit, it's probably a
better version than taking a youknow a 60 gram sugar fucking
monster to the face, you knowwhat I mean?
Right, right.
But yeah, listen, man, there's alot worse things out there that
we that we probably could worryabout.
Uh, you know, people doing alltypes of different drugs, and

(01:13:37):
you know, I'm not immune to anyof those things either, but but
you know, if it if coffee iskeeping somebody focused and and
at their best, then by allmeans, but eh, coffee's never
really been my thing.
I had a cup of coffee today.
I was at a conference today withthis company that I work with.
Um, right, it was uh first timein a while, and I don't know if

(01:13:58):
it fucking helped or not, to behonest.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:01):
I don't think it helps me, I love the taste of
it, but I definitely don't thinkit's black, but now Tony drinks
it straight black, right?
Well, that's my yeah, the thatthat's my whole point that you
can do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:12):
I knew you have some black in you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:17):
Yeah, I have, but um anyway, anyway, like you get
immune to it.
Like like when you first likeyou bring up cigarettes, when
you first smoke a cigarette,right?
You get a butt.
Like you're like, oh man, I'mlightheaded.
But then you just then it's justhalf whatever.
It's like same with caffeine.
To me, it does coffee has noeffect.

(01:14:39):
Yeah, I love it in the morning.
I guess it wakes me up.
I I don't know.
But you know, if you don't dosomething that often, and then
you drink coffee or an energyjitter, then people get jittery.
Like first time I did drink ared bowl, I drank like two big
ones.
And I was like, oh damn, I wasgoing like this, you know, at
first.
But yeah, so yeah, right, butthings can make you, you know,

(01:15:04):
if you overdo it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:05):
No, well, that's the thing.
And I hate when people say thisuh in my my life now.
Sometimes it gets annoying, butit's like truth is, man,
anything that you do, do it inmoderation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:15):
It's all about I was gonna say my dad always, because
he drank his beer, you know,smoked his, he's like, boy, it's
just always do it in moderation,don't abuse things.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:25):
Just you know, that's where the problem is,
Tony.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:29):
Right, right.
Right.
I don't want moderation.
But Ray, I guess we'll wrap thisup, man.
It was great having you on.
You know, you can come onanytime, man.
We appreciate it.
It was good shooting the shitwith you, man.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:46):
Again, again, I apologize, man.
I am a talker.
I mean, hey, I know Sizzle, man,so you already know that.
But uh but I I am a talker, man,but I am a brother with an
opinion, so that I think I'm onthe right venue.
But I appreciate you guys havingme, man.
And I uh, you know, uh, youknow, kudos to you guys for
putting this together andkeeping it going.

(01:16:06):
And I I think this is somethingthat you guys could definitely,
you know, build a good followingfrom and you know, kind of not
not only entertain, but alsoenlighten and hopefully bring
some people together in thecommunity and make uh uh a great
opportunity for people toactually have an opinion and
maybe not just sit behind akeyboard, actually show their
face and say what they say.
And you know what?

(01:16:27):
Sometimes at the end of the day,we ain't gotta like what people
say, man.
But as long as we're speakingthe truth and doing it in a safe
way, that that that's beneficialnot only for them to get it off
their chest, but maybe somebodyeven disagreeing with them is
beneficial for even them, youknow, receiving that that that
disagreeance.
So, you know, I appreciate youguys, man.
I love you, brothers, man.

(01:16:48):
And um, I'm always I'm alwayshappy to to show face, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:51):
Yeah, man.
Hey, I appreciate it.
Hey, man, we'll keep in touch,man.
We might work on some bigthings, we'll talk more off air.
Thank you for having me, man.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:00):
Appreciate you very much, man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:01):
All right, man.
Appreciate you, Ray.
Have a good night.
So, Chris, Vikings are charged.
Vikings are is that who'splaying tonight?
I lost you, Chris.
You there?
Bring it up.
Chris froze up, look, he'd beenon too long.

(01:17:23):
So everybody, I want to giveshout outs.
Maybe Chris will get back onhere or he'll unfreeze.
But I want to give shout-outs toour top fans on uh Facebook.
We got Patrick Burks and uh MikeHammer are big fans, and
everybody keeps subscribing toour YouTube channel.
So everybody check that out.
You know, you follow us onFacebook, subscribe to our
YouTube channel.

(01:17:44):
You there, hey, there you are.
Watch what?

SPEAKER_02 (01:17:48):
Yeah, I'm talking to you.
What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:50):
You froze up, bro.
You're good now, but you frozeup for a minute.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:56):
No silence revolution televised, ain't no.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:00):
Alright, everybody.
Hey, like I say, join join us onFacebook, follow us on Facebook,
uh, YouTube channel.
Everybody that was breaking onthe site.
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