Handley Asst. Coach Taralle Hayden Joins To Break Down Area Football, Handley Basketball’s Depth, And Why This Year Can Make History

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The night before Thanksgiving, we sat down with community energy buzzing—clippers humming, a dog chiming in, and playoff scores rolling across our screens—and took stock of where our teams stand. We started with football: Skyline fighting through overtime, Strasburg rolling, Martinsburg and Jefferson setting up big West Virginia matchups. Then we pulled apart Handley’s playoff loss with respect for the kids and honesty about the margins: a young quarterback thrust into the spotlight, physicality that traveled well, a blocked punt that flipped field position, and the hard truth that adjustments win in November.

Then the gym lights switched on. Assistant coach and area photographer Taralle Hayden joined us to map a senior-heavy Handley squad that feels ready to make history. We dug into roles and identity: Will Braun-Duin spacing the floor as a premier shooter, Christian Dinges punishing downhill, Jaevon Brisco and Amari Brown setting the defensive tone, and Kyren Oglesbee owning the paint. The schedule is a statement—Huguenot to open, a marquee date with Oak Hill, real 4A tests with Denbigh and Varina, and a Central matchup that elevates the region. Terrell explained why non-conference choices are strategic, why in-state power games boost rankings, and how last year’s seven-man feel can expand to eight or nine when practice habits demand it.

What stood out most was culture. The staff is clear about buy-in, film, and reps that translate to college-level habits; they’re just as clear that moments belong to players who welcome pressure. We swapped stories about Spring Mills chatter, John Marshall’s ripple effects, and a youth pipeline that’s hungry for varsity minutes. Above it all: a simple, pointed goal—bring a banner back to Winchester Public Schools. If you care about local sports, role clarity, and how great teams are built across a season, this conversation will pull you in.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
What's good with you, friend?

SPEAKER_04 (00:43):
We're back.
I'm good.
I'm good.
Sorry everyone for the uh littledelay, but yeah, I had things
going on here at the house stillgoing on.
So if y'all hear clippers in thebackground and a dog barking,
there's so much going on.
Thanksgiving.
Getting ready for Thanksgiving.
But yeah, welcome back,everybody.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02):
Well, that's a special you got tonight.
Tony and Chuck special forThanksgiving, ladies and
gentlemen.
So we're gonna get right intoit, man.
Tony's gonna talk about thelocal football real quick, and
then we're gonna do a lot aboutThanksgiving, our favorite
specials, and what we like aboutthe holiday, you know, and um
favorite foods, favorite movies,things that happen on

(01:22):
Thanksgiving that we rememberand shit like that.
So get right into it, Tony, andgo ahead and talk about special
shout-outs to people likeStrasburg and Skyline, my man
Zaden down there.
So teams are still moving on,right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:34):
Right.
Yeah, so let's jump into localfootball scores.
Uh last week we had playoffs.
So, hey, what's up, Zach?
Uh so told you a lot going on.
But anyway, uh Haley filmed thejob.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50):
You couldn't do it, man.
Look, y'all know me, man.
But Zach must be somewhere inTony's crib, and that's where
the state champions live overthere.
And Tony's coming all aroundWinchester, and Zach's the
leader of them.
So excited for that, man.
Thank you to bring home thefirst state championship for
basketball.

SPEAKER_04 (02:07):
Well, we'll we'll we'll we're gonna jump into that
here probably shortly because wegot somebody jumping on last
minute who said they'd get on,so we'll just surprise everybody
who the guest is.

SPEAKER_03 (02:16):
And if Zach's still around, look, Haley football's
done, man.
So tell him, get on over thereto the court.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 (02:23):
All right, real quick, Haley fell to Jefferson
Force, 14 to 10.
Uh Sharando fell to GeorgeWashington, 41 to 21.
So both our Aerie teams there,you know, got knocked out the
playoffs.
Uh, let's see, Skylinedestroyed.
Or they didn't destroy it, itwent into overtime.

(02:44):
Yeah, 14 to 13 over uh CulpepperCounty, which over that.

SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Shout out to everybody in front of Row and
Skyline, man.
The newest high school in thearea, but shout out to them
boys, man.
Definitely, you know, I've beenriding for Zada for three years
since he started his high schoolcareer.
Tony and I had him on as a guesta couple years ago, and man
talked about him big, hyped himup, but my hype was real, just
like it is tonight, and it isevery night.
But for that young man, to bebetter than his dad already is a

(03:12):
junior man, no lie.
You can bring Big Pat on rightnow.
He knows it, he's proud of hisson.
Zavan's better than Trey Kern,he's better than Benjamin, he's
better than Corey Morgan.
Bo Morgan, I mean, nodisrespect.

SPEAKER_04 (03:24):
Oh, you you went that hard.
You went that hard.

SPEAKER_03 (03:27):
We've had a lot of greats in the area.
Zalan's only a junior and ledthe whole state in rushing this
year.
He's still going, he's still gothis team after they started like
0-3 and Haley whooped the water.

SPEAKER_04 (03:40):
See, we can do we can get it.

SPEAKER_03 (03:41):
Everything since then, this kid has ran for two,
300 yards every game since then.
And man, with Andre Ford and theway Haley and all those kids at
the offense and defensive linethey have over there, they're
playing great sound ball, man.
And I wish that they win it all.
So let's go skyline.

SPEAKER_04 (03:56):
Yeah, so their opponent will be kettle run
because kettle run defeatedBrentsville 35 to 12.
So it'll be Skyline and KettleRun in the next next round.

SPEAKER_03 (04:05):
Yeah, Haley actually beat uh Kettle Run this year,
and did they know they lost?
Haley doesn't just beat KettleRun, doesn't you know?

SPEAKER_04 (04:13):
That was their worst game by far.

SPEAKER_03 (04:16):
That's what's not certain.
Sometimes that 3A and 4A doesn'talways mean something.
You might have more kids in theschool to make those divisions,
but if you don't have Zaydan,Hanley, tell you I'm done living
Winchester, but that's that's awhole nother discussion because
I'm gonna say I'm just messingwith everybody.

SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
But no, I was gonna say, I was like, does he go to
Skyline his senior year or doeshe transfer?

SPEAKER_03 (04:41):
Well, unless him and Tristan want to be the best
one-two punch in the entirecountry, which is not gonna
happen because you know he stillhas a mother who has her beliefs
and the way that he's beenraised with those kids over
there in the front row for hiswhole life, so I get it.
But him and Tristan to me wouldbe the best one-two punch, and
we're getting all this laid itdown, but y'all know me, man.
If Hannah would have hadTristan, they'd still be and

(05:02):
they would have been the numberone seed over Danville.
And but it is what it is, that'swhy I'm excited for basketball.
So turn to keep going downbecause people like uh
Martinsburg and all of them arestill moving on, too, right?

SPEAKER_04 (05:11):
Well, I forgot, I forgot one.
We forgot Stralsburg.

SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
Can't forget Strasburg and Skylar.

SPEAKER_04 (05:17):
Yeah, so Stralsburg defeated Woods uh Central
because they're in Woodstock 35to 6, and then they play
Stewart's draft Stewart's draftto beat Buckingham 20 to 13.

SPEAKER_03 (05:28):
Stewart's draft is in the region, but that's a big
game, man.

SPEAKER_04 (05:33):
So Strasburg, I I call it that's you know,
Strasbourg's gonna win states in2A.

SPEAKER_03 (05:38):
Hey, I I'm going for the Rams and the Hawks this
week.
I know that I get off workFriday at 6, so I'm excited,
man.
I know why we're talking aboutthis Thanksgiving special.
I actually work tomorrow, 8 to8.
Great Thanksgiving.
You know, pick me up what you'redoing, this and that da-da-da.
But run for this place sucks.
I'm trying to get to the to thepoint where I don't have to work
on certain days, especially onthese holidays to be with loved

(06:00):
ones, but I gotta work eight toeight, man.
But we're gonna get right intoit about what we're thankful
for.
We're thankful for people likeStrasburg and Skyline to still
be alive and keeping hope alivein the area because it's not
just Winchester with us, it'sthe entire Shenandoah Valley,
but mainly the little area withWoodstock, Strasburg, Front
Royal, Martinsburg, Hanley, orWinchester, you know what I

(06:20):
mean?
Like Hanley's not an area, butfor some reason if Winchester
doesn't want to build anotherhigh school when it calls
Winchester High School, that'dbe fire.

SPEAKER_04 (06:30):
Well, we'll we'll see, but I doubt that every if
that happens, it'd probably beanother high school on the way.
It probably wouldn't be in ourlifetime.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 (06:40):
Well, the first Winchester High School wasn't in
our lifetime, so makes sense.
But nah, man, shout out shoutout to Strasbourg and shout out
to Skyline, man.
And we hope you guys both crushit in the regional championship
and move on to States.

SPEAKER_04 (06:54):
Right, right, yep.
I hope they I hope they do.
You know, rooting for alwaysrooting for these area teams,
you know, and these kids.

SPEAKER_03 (07:00):
So, what you got was with Muscleman and Strasbourg?
I mean, Muscleman and SpringMills and Martinsburg and
Jefferson and that wholepanhandle.

SPEAKER_04 (07:07):
Oh, I got it.
I got it right here.

SPEAKER_03 (07:10):
Because I know some of them's moving on.

SPEAKER_04 (07:12):
Right, right.
So I got it right here.
Hold on.
I'm sorry, Chris, I was invited,sending the invite to our our
guest.
So all right, I'm back.
So Spring Mills fell toMorgantown 34-33.

SPEAKER_03 (07:25):
Morgantown didn't win that game.

SPEAKER_04 (07:27):
And then uh Jefferson defeated George
Washington 28-21, and universitybeat Huntington 35-28, and
Martinsburg beat Welling Park 55to 35.
So then you have a match.
Right.
So you got Jefferson.
So you still you have Morgantownplays Jefferson and University
plays Martinsburg.

SPEAKER_03 (07:49):
Well, let's go Jefferson and let's go
Martinsburg.

SPEAKER_04 (07:52):
There you go.
And there's your matchups, man.

SPEAKER_03 (07:55):
And then you got some matchups tomorrow for
Thanksgiving.
Your boys always play onThanksgiving.

SPEAKER_04 (08:01):
Oh, we we're gonna jump right into that.

SPEAKER_03 (08:03):
Or we're gonna talk about we're gonna get this
football out the way and then doour Thanksgiving special, man,
so people can enjoy their night.
You know, people's probablyalready drinking spiced egg,
eggnog, and all that, man.

SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
Like, so you could you could be right.
People getting turned up rightnow.

SPEAKER_03 (08:20):
And most people don't gotta work like I do
tomorrow, so they're not worriedabout that.

SPEAKER_04 (08:24):
Right, right.
Yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately, you have to worktomorrow.

SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
It is what it is, and I gotta work during the
Macy's Thanksgiving parade,which happens two blocks over
for my job.
But this is why we're gonna bereally busy.
But it is what it is.
I hope y'all tune into theparade and before the game,
because it starts three hoursbefore the four hours before the
game.
So y'all tune into that, man.
It happens up the street.
Any of y'all ever want to comeup to New York and watch the

(08:48):
parade?
I'll make sure I don't work thatday.
We can go over there.
But totally, let's get rightinto it, man.
Like you're you're well, let'shey, let's let's let our y'all
y'all just had a huge gameagainst Philly, man.
So y'all should be excited.
If y'all keep within the teams,y'all might sneak into the
playoffs.

SPEAKER_04 (09:03):
Well, here's our guest, everyone.
Last second.
What's up, Terrell?

SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
Yes, sir.
Right in time, we we just gotdone shouting out the area teams
that's moving on in the footballplayoffs.
And now we're gonna get rightinto a couple of the NFL games
tomorrow and then do ourThanksgiving special.
But go ahead, go ahead and Mr.
T, shout yourself out, tell themwho you are and all that for the
people that don't know who thebest photographer in the area
is.

(09:29):
I didn't take a pause on that.
Um that's a good pause, though.
Right.
My name is Terrell Hayden.
Um, I am now an assistant coachfor John Henley High School
basketball.
Um, I'm also known as thephotographer in the area.
Um, I'm a Penn State graduateand I also graduated from

(09:51):
Millbrook High School.
Boom.

SPEAKER_04 (09:54):
No, I'm just Terrell, welcome up.
Hey, just get on here and shootyour shit, man.
Like we'll we will, of course,we're gonna jump into Hangley
basketball because now you'reon, so we'll get on that.
But Chris.

SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
Because I unfortunately them 29 seniors
without trust.
Oh, football.
I keep it real, you know that.
You want you want to speak onseniors graduating from Haley,
man.

SPEAKER_04 (10:21):
Let's let's speak.
Chris, let's speak on thefootball game.
Terrell was there.
I I I feel Haley should haveblown him out.
It it shouldn't even have beenthat close.
Honestly.

SPEAKER_03 (10:31):
I just I just think the lights were very bright for
some people.
I'm not gonna single anybodyout.
Um, I wasn't there, but I I'llkeep it real, T.
This ain't got nothing to dowith you and Big Tony, but I I
seen a few things, man, in lifehappened.
It's hard, and those kids areall 15, 17 years old, at the you

(10:54):
know.

SPEAKER_04 (10:54):
But right.

SPEAKER_03 (10:56):
We we know what happens, and I'll call it out,
man.
Sometimes people fall short, andit is bright lights, and I would
think at that moment it may havebeen on that quarterback.
I don't know him, I'm not hatingon him, but that's just how I
saw the moment.

SPEAKER_02 (11:08):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (11:09):
Um, I just think that during the summer, because
707.
Yeah, end of July.
So right.
He um Duncan just kind of gotthrown into the fire.
I just said on him, too.
Yeah, they and that's a lot ofthat's a lot of pressure to put

(11:31):
on a young kid, especially ajunior that hasn't started at
quarterback.
And you already know how Haleyathletics are.
We owed ourselves at a higherpedigree than a lot of other
programs.
So and I love how you said that.
We, even though ladies andgentlemen, he just told us he
graduated from no lie, he's acoach at Haley now, he does a

(11:53):
lot of stuff for the program,man.
So that's good that you embodyit.
It's the same way when I switchcompanies and stuff.
Like, do I embody the newcompany or no?
Well, that's where I'm withright now.
So I got you.
Zach is a Milbrook guy, soright.
Yeah, I can tell you one thing.
I can tell you one thing.
He's a Haley guy.
No, no, you know, we we Haleyguys now, but I'm telling you,
there's gonna be a lot of madpeople when two Millbrook guys

(12:16):
and a random guy brings Haley tothe first picture.
Oh, which train?

SPEAKER_04 (12:20):
Right.
Well, people were already upsetwhen they hired, you know, from
when he got hired, and Haley'slike, why didn't we hire?
Which I get it.
You know, I mean, because lookat what he's done so far.
Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:32):
I bet you a lot, I bet you all those people that
have said that regret sayingthat now.
Yeah.
Well, I'll still shout outJordan Sugars and Calvin and
Clayton and all them, becauseguess what?
Out of all the greats we've had,we've never won states in
basketball.
Them young boys did it in a f afew years after the school
existed.

SPEAKER_02 (12:50):
Right.
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (12:51):
Shout out to Millbrook and doing that.

SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:53):
TJ Williams, all of them, man.
They won that championship.

SPEAKER_02 (12:57):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (12:58):
I mean, overall, I feel like on Saturday, it just
It just came down to who kind ofwanted it more.
You can kind of see thatJefferson Force in that second
half just kind of wanted thatgame more.
And you can tell by thephysicality, like that's where I

(13:19):
feel like we lack being on thenorth.
We don't have that down southplay style.
Like, they played a lot ofplayers, a lot of your football
games.
Like, I was watching the G Dowversus Random.

SPEAKER_02 (13:31):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (13:31):
We say if Javis and Forge plays that way, they are
literally gonna get flaggedevery time coming up here.

SPEAKER_04 (13:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (13:38):
Javis and Forest probably had they had 11
penalties.
Like all physicality things.
And I just feel like they kindof adjusted more than we did.
Like we didn't adjust tophysicality as fast as they
adjusted to what the refereesare calling.
You know what I'm saying?
So that just kind of took over,also.

(13:59):
Right.
I mean, it comes down who wasthe better team, who's the
better coach, and that day justJefferson Force got got the
upper hand on us.

SPEAKER_04 (14:10):
Right.
Well, I think what hurt us wasthat you know, when the punt,
you know, the punt got blocked,that and I knew you know, and
they got in our in our territoryand went up.
You know, I mean, hey, that tome the defense played lights
out.
Uh like they played well enough.

SPEAKER_03 (14:27):
Yeah, well, but yeah, I mean averaged like 35 a
game.
They only get 10 points, man, isdisappointing.
But look, but look, Hanleyaverages 35 a game.
Jefferson Forest only gives upan average of eight.
Yeah.
Their defense brought it more,their defense was more stellar
than Hanley's offense.

SPEAKER_04 (14:44):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (14:46):
Hanley has the weapons.
Jameer and Amari and Christian,they got, and and of course,
Will Yoda, they got weapons, butit's tough, man.
And like it's neither here northere, but obviously it's
seniors are graduating andTristan's gonna play again next
year.
But if Tristan was there, Ithink they would have won last
year and this year.
But that's how life works.

(15:06):
And another thing is, like, Ijust feel like towards the last
stretch of the year, Hanley,well, we became kind of very
one-dimensional.
Like, people knew we won't runthe ball 95% of the time.
Right.
We had Jameer who's getting uh35 32 carries a game, but kids

(15:30):
averaged 195 the last fourgames.
He had over 100 yards onSaturday.
You can't you can't knock that.
Like if the kids averaging hehad what 235 against Random, 195
against, or he had like 205against James Wood.
Like if a kid's doing that, givehim the ball.

SPEAKER_02 (15:50):
It's the same thing, same thing with Zaydan.
Right, right.
Oh, I've coached.

SPEAKER_04 (15:58):
If you give him the ball three times, and I and I
have no problem because I'vecoached football, and uh, I'll
run the same damn run over untilyou said it's like you might
know what's coming, but stop it.
It's executed.
So I get it.
Yeah, but I I I get it, andthat's in any sport, you know.
Run the same thing until theystop it.

(16:19):
You know, if they ain't stoppingit, keep running.
But I feel our downfall is, andyou'll probably agree, is when
we play these southern teams, wegotta stretch the field, right?
You know, I mean, and we had thereceivers to do.
I keep we did.
I mean, you got Yoder, Amari,Christian, who else, uh Isaiah
Baxter was what, you know, tome, it what what did we have to

(16:42):
lose, right?
Right, like I mean, it's likelet it all hang out.
Like, you got a six-five widereceiver out there, Albert
Christian, you know, and thenYoder.

SPEAKER_03 (16:50):
It's like I feel bad, air, air it out.
I feel bad for the seniors,especially domino and shader's
son Jojo, you know, because Igot personal ties with him, but
end of the day, we fell upshort.
It's Thanksgiving, man.
We thankful that they had agreat season, they still won't
finish.
They still did.
We're gonna move on to thebasketball season soon, which
the Rail's a big part of it.

(17:10):
Congratulations to you, youngman, for real.
Thank you.
Not everybody gets a chance tobe a coach over there.
That's buying right.
I don't care if they fromMillbrook and Sharan, though.
Guess what?
Y'all doing the right thing,helping them young boys from our
area, man.
We appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 (17:23):
That's all that's that's all it's about.
That's it.
So the Terrell, we can jumpright into it then.
Since we just jump into Haley'sbasketball schedule, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
So big games, notable question games, right?
With Kozak and Trey and them.
How is it?
You're gonna be on the sidelineswith them?
Like I bet.
That's good.
Yeah, y'all got squads on eventhe JV got squads because if
y'all gonna keep uh jacking themdown there, goodness.
Our squads is loaded.
It's just we we are so loadedwith the thing is we're kind of

(17:58):
like football, though.
We have a lot of people.
Hey, if my nephew plays, theny'all are extra loaded.
And it's the same kid we've beentalking about, Tristan.
Because if he played ball, he'she's nice in that too.
Yeah, yeah, right.
Hey, Tristan, I ain't tellingyou what to do, and I know you
got some things happening, butuh but hey, he has to talk for
varsity, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 (18:20):
But listen, did you know he's on the swim team?

SPEAKER_04 (18:23):
Yeah, I do.
Yeah, his grandfather told me,he texted me and told me he's
going out for therapy shape.

SPEAKER_03 (18:30):
Because that's a hell of a workout.

SPEAKER_04 (18:33):
Yeah, that's that's a great move by his part to
strengthen that leg and hiswhole body.
Yeah, that's smart by him.
That's immediately what Ithought.
That's a great move by him to doswimming.

SPEAKER_03 (18:44):
And no lie, we just had a great swim coach on last
week in Ms.
Lee, man.

SPEAKER_04 (18:50):
But I've always said, man, I I coached that boy,
you know, when I first saw himat Daniel Morgan, and he all you
can say is he's just got that itfactor.
You know what I mean?
And not many kids have that.
Uh it's just a killer instinct,and I keep it just incredible.
I always said I've never seen akid in middle school that had an
all-around game, could finish atthe rim, you know, mid-range

(19:11):
game, can shoot the three, youknow, play defense, do it all.
And you read you don't see thatmuch from kids, especially that
young being it, you know, to dothat.
It's just a physic, it is just aphysical specimen.

SPEAKER_03 (19:25):
There's not a lot of kids in talent that have dogs in
them, like they're just born.

SPEAKER_04 (19:30):
And that's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 (19:32):
You can't ask somebody to teach them how to be
a dog, you just have to havethat in you.

SPEAKER_04 (19:38):
And as coaches, yeah, it's like you gotta find
out those ones.
Like you just met, you know, inthe football game, the lights
get too big, but who are themkids that when the lights come
on, they step up to the moment.
You know what I mean?
And that's it's like, give methe ball.
You know, like there's not manylike that that want it in their
hands, you know, when the brightlights come on.

SPEAKER_03 (20:02):
You know, you had to deal with all that whole
different competition, differentschedule, different like
traveling and everything else,man.
You dealt with all that, so youcan speak on that if you want to
about get certain levels frombeing on freshman of JV football
or basketball to the varsity andthen getting from right, be even
being you can be one of thegreats in high school, but don't
mean you're gonna make it incollege.
They think Shenandoah is astrong, but guess what?

(20:24):
You might not make it atShenandoah.
Yeah, I mean like shout out tothem.
They are they did start stickingout now.
Oh, they ball it, right?

SPEAKER_04 (20:31):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:32):
They have a decent team.

SPEAKER_04 (20:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:35):
But yeah, let's go ahead.
Let's go ahead and get on thatschedule for it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:39):
Yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, what you guys weopen up against Huguenot, yeah,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (20:44):
And Hanley smoked them recently too, a couple
times.
Huguenot.
They have a lot of talent, theyhave a lot of speed, I would
say.
But Hanley's Yeah, they'reathletic.
Twice out of the last threeyears, I think.
Hanley's beat them.

SPEAKER_04 (20:57):
Yeah, believe I believe so.
I believe the first time weplayed him, it was competitive,
but then have that like we beatthem pretty bad the last couple
times.
Yeah.
So yeah.
And then, of course, the big thebig one, Terrell, is Oak Hill.
Everybody, uh, that being on theschedule.

SPEAKER_03 (21:14):
Even though they're not what they were when I was
coming up, Tony, or even you,like I went to Oak Hill games
all the time.
They were amazing.
They had too many NBA players,they still got talent, but
Terrell, not allowed them liketo go to IMT and all these
academies.

SPEAKER_02 (21:27):
Yeah, but you got you also gotta think they do
have about nine, three, four,five stars.

SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
Yeah, and their point guard is the biggest
tristan.

SPEAKER_04 (21:38):
Their point guard just committed to their point
guard just committed to OhioState.
Really?
Okay, yeah, I didn't know that.
Did not know that.

SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
Huh?
Banley's point guard is tryingto make a decision between Ohio
State football or basketball.
He loves basketball.
That's that young ChristianDingis.
Hey, look, he got that visitfrom Ohio State.
I was like, damn, like he'sdoing it big.
So you never know though, man.
Where things take you.
Virginia check.

SPEAKER_04 (22:14):
You don't.

SPEAKER_03 (22:15):
Nah, whatever, but right, right.

SPEAKER_04 (22:18):
So, Terrell, which which game, let me ask you,
which game do you pops out?
Like you got circled on thescale.
It's probably, of course, okay.
I probably just said it.
But which one trick the area?

SPEAKER_02 (22:29):
I think.
Well, obviously, for mepersonally, I I'll I'll answer
both of those.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
Me personally, you already know it's a milver.

SPEAKER_04 (22:39):
Yeah, right.
Like that's like and air green'scoming, he wants it bad.

SPEAKER_03 (22:44):
Eric I'm gonna be honest, because Millbrook's
usually pretty good, but arethey gonna be any good this
year?
Because I don't know who theyhave coming back.
They can be good, it justdepends on the kids if they buy
air.
Because Eric's a wonderfulcoach.
Eric Greenwich.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
Eric, right?

SPEAKER_04 (23:04):
And that's the thing, the kids over there at
Millbrook buying in.
How serious are they?
You know what I mean?
But yeah, I mean, you got RileyBaker, kind of you know, a
senior, grew up in pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 (23:15):
I think their best kid over there.
I think their best kid overthere, that's not talked about a
lot.
Well, talked about when youwatched the game.

SPEAKER_04 (23:25):
But Keon Blues, right?

SPEAKER_03 (23:27):
I believe he's their best player.

SPEAKER_04 (23:29):
Yeah, Keon Lewis.

SPEAKER_03 (23:31):
That kid, despite even like last year, despite us
beating them so bad, he stillhad 15, 18, 12.

SPEAKER_04 (23:41):
Yeah, he's he stood out.
Yeah, he did it, he did histhing.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
But the other game I would say that circled on mine
because it's kind of new and itkind of gives us something new
in the foray, and they're prettygood.
Uh Denby.
We played them January 13th athome.
I feel like that's going to be avery good game for us.
Just to kind of, because youknow already, you already know
we got Verana on our schedule.

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But just to give us a test,because I feel like that's
something we lacked the last twoyears.
We we didn't really testourselves before the Spring
Mills game.
Yeah, yeah, no.
Well, that was that was rightbefore the playoffs.
It was tough.
Right.
But the thing is, see, I I'veseen all the comments, I've seen

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us, I've seen that we areducking Spring Mills.
But it's fucking Spring Mills,it's Martinsburg that I've been
saying for you way before youguys came through.

SPEAKER_04 (24:37):
I'm like, man, why don't we ever but Martinsburg
basketball team is they're mid,they're mid, you know.
I mean, football, yeah, I canunderstand.
I can see, but basketball, webut we but Hanley is scrimmaged,
Martinsburg, right?
Like the past, like in aninvitation, whatever preseason.

SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
Scrimmages are still not the same.
Like if people play Hanleytonight, or what did you say
they had a game the other day?
Christian and and Kyron, andnone of them are there, so
that's a whole different gamewhen you're dealing with
scrimmages and pre-season.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Yeah, but I mean, on the littleSpring Mills allegation thing,
it's just when we look to, well,first of all, in Full Nose,

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Spring Mills got added likethree weeks before it was
supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 (25:24):
Right.
Yeah, like last minute lastseason.

SPEAKER_03 (25:26):
One of the teams got like disqualified from their
whole season, so they stoppedplaying.
So we had to fill that game tofill out our schedule.
So we went ahead and calledSpring Mills.
It was like, look, it can be agame for both of us.
It'd be a very good game if wepacked.
So we scheduled that likeprobably three weeks before it
happened.
Right.
So during the summer when wewere scheduling our when we were

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scheduling, like for our seasonthis year, we sat back and
wondered.
One, Spring Mills doesn't playthe same type of ball we're
gonna see down the stretch whenwe want to win a state
championship.
Two, they can't help our overallrankings.

SPEAKER_04 (26:08):
Because they're not in the state.
Because they're out of state.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (26:11):
I just think you guys should have played them
again this year, just to give aone-on-one kind of feel.
And because it was at Hanleythis past year, maybe this
season it would have been aspring mills.
You know what I mean?
Like a little one-on-one deal.
But that's all.
But I feel exactly what you'resaying.
We didn't schedule that gamebecause we scheduled we were
going to Oak Hill tournament,the uh the Arby's Classic in

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Tennessee.
We're scheduled that one.

SPEAKER_04 (26:36):
Virginia this year.

SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
Yeah, Virginia High School.

SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
They moved, yeah, they moved it.

SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
We're going to that one.
We have Denby, we have Rana, wehave Kingsford.

SPEAKER_01 (26:45):
So we couldn't fit in.
We only get a select amount ofnon-conference games.
Of course.
So we try to fill it up withteams that we are going to
potentially see down thestretch.

SPEAKER_04 (26:57):
Yeah, down the stretch.
Yep.
Which is small.

SPEAKER_03 (27:00):
I I guarantee you, you guys can go 30 and 0.
You're not gonna see Oak Hill inthe championship.
But I yeah, that's what I'msaying.
So we're not gonna see O'Killwith the take candidates, but we
we're definitely gonna seeDenby.
We're definitely going to seeVerona.
Verona.
Yeah, we're definitely going tosee those teams.
We might even see Huguenotbecause they're right.

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They were in the region semislast year.
Right.
Um, we're definitely going tosee those teams down the
stretch.
So just to keep trying to get afeel for them the first time, so
that we're not surprised by whatthey can do during a time when
we do you guys play central thisyear?

SPEAKER_04 (27:38):
Look, Ben, hold up, hold on.
Ben Ben Bates, hey, Chris and uhTerrell, Ben Bates just chimed
in and said, Brian Mitchell thePVI.

SPEAKER_03 (27:46):
Bro, Ben Bates is my big brother and I love Ben
Bates.
I was about to say about ClarkCounty, Warren County, but I
won't keep it while we don'tplay.
Hold on.
Y'all do play central?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:57):
I was gonna point that out.
I was like, that's an it, that'san interesting game because
guess what?

SPEAKER_03 (28:04):
Hey, look, Owens, he's like that, and he keeps
getting taller and taller.
Tony, you know he played in thehoops roll for like two or three
years.

SPEAKER_04 (28:13):
Well, they have they have uh Batese too, right?

SPEAKER_03 (28:16):
Is it Derek Batese?
Derek is nice, too.

SPEAKER_04 (28:19):
He's good.
Well, they have a great coachtoo.
Central has a great coach.

SPEAKER_03 (28:27):
Jeff Whittle's their coach, he would definitely go
down in the hall.
He used to light us up when Iwas a kid, man.
Yeah, so he was nice.

SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
We got asked to play in the Strawsburg little
tournament they have, and wejust felt that Central was kind
of the best team we could playout of that.
So we kind of asked to playCentral.

SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
But it just began to get away.
Yeah, actually, I can get onthat fact in a second.
But um we asked to play Centraljust to not only help us, but
only also help them becausethey're now that John Marshall's
not there, they're potentiallynot going to see a team like

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that.
Like us today.

SPEAKER_04 (29:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (29:10):
Um but on the John Marshall thing, how they all
transferred to Petersburg, heactually played them this
summer.
And just to kind of give aneye-opener to everyone.
Um Zach chimed in too, man.
Right.
Something about he's he had itscheduled in one-on-one, but you

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know, it's something about theArby's tournament and a lot of
money involved and stuff, soyeah.
Arby's class is donating ourprogram$2,500 to play,$2,500,
$2,500 donation, Oak Hill, andother premiere matchups.
It was a new brand.
So, like I would love to playOak Hill.
Ben Bates played against OakHill.

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I went to some games.

SPEAKER_04 (29:51):
Just to say you played Oak Hill, that's it,
right?

SPEAKER_03 (29:53):
Yeah, but when we were kids, man, and and Ben left
Park County and went over toNotre Dame, they was playing Oak
Hill.
I used to go to St.
James.
Games tournaments stuff wherewhere your kids went to visit
before right.
So just like but they were asuper powerhouse.
I wonder how they are still now.
Yeah, no, they're they're verygood now.
They're very good.

SPEAKER_01 (30:12):
So I think they got ranked like 12th in the country
or something.

SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
But just kind of over easy for Haley to bring it
for our kids.
Let me look at Christian, Javon,Kyron, Amari.
Haley has the ultimate seniorteam.
Yes.
But just as for a senior year,those kids have been playing
together since they were what?
Third grade, fourth grade?
Yeah, Chris.

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All of them except for Will havebeen playing together.

SPEAKER_04 (30:38):
Yeah, so no, they played they played together.

SPEAKER_03 (30:41):
Will played when they were little, but he left
for a while.
That's what I'm saying.
But the continuity is there.
Right.
So just kind of for them, theywill get to graduate saying that
they played Oak Hill.

SPEAKER_01 (30:53):
Like, not a lot of kids get to say that.
And I don't know what peoplethink or not, but we're gonna go
down there and we're not justgoing to go.

SPEAKER_04 (31:02):
Oh, I I believe, hey, uh Terrell, I I don't know
if you were there, but rememberwhen we played John Marshall in
Richmond?

SPEAKER_03 (31:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
I think they was I don't I think they were up on
him though for a second.

SPEAKER_02 (31:16):
We were up for a minute and then we were down
four with five minutes to go.

SPEAKER_03 (31:21):
Like we're getting a two-possession game to a bunch
of kids that have we we playedseven of them had division one
offers.

SPEAKER_04 (31:28):
Yeah, and and the thing is, dude, the parents like
from John Marshall, like theyearned their respect because
they was looking like, where arey'all from?
Blah blah blah, you know, likedude, they totally yeah, like I
said, they just couldn't hangwith the whole game because you
know they're just too much, youknow, so deep.
But yeah, dude, if that firsthalf, they was in that, they was
in it competing with them.

SPEAKER_03 (31:50):
So well, that's one thing, Tony Nola.
I know you're just a father of akid that plays, but Zach was
just over at your crib.
You guys work together.
I was just at his crib.

SPEAKER_04 (32:04):
Everybody was overrated, baby.

SPEAKER_03 (32:06):
Early in the NBA season, but the reason I'm more
excited to have Mike Brown rightnow than Tibbs for the New York
Knicks is because you've got tounderstand that you have a bench
for reason, you have practiceplays for reason, and you gotta
use them and work out yourentire starting five or top six
or seven players, right?
He's doing that, and we haveinjuries, of course, so that
makes sense and it and it helps.

SPEAKER_02 (32:26):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
You guys have a lot of depth.
So, yes, you have an ultimatesenior team, but you guys have
seniors on the bench, you have alot of depth.
You guys should try to get Jojoout there.
I don't know if he's playing ornot.

SPEAKER_04 (32:37):
He won't play.
Everybody's tried.

SPEAKER_03 (32:40):
Look, if Tristan's healthy, Tristan can Jameer's
out there now, though.

SPEAKER_04 (32:44):
Jameer Washington, which I think he's playing.

SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
Young boy Jack uh Gonzalez, he's nice.
You guys have depth, man.
So Snack unleashes it and savessome of the players for certain
times because you guys are gonnarun through some of that area
competition, right?
Like, you know what I mean?
So, like and they and get themsome playing time so they can
get ready for y'all when y'allneed them in the playoffs,
right?
So we had like in the last, Iwould say, I would say last

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year, it was kind of astereotype going around that we
only play six, seven, D.
But a lot of people didn'tunderstand what was going on on
Monday, Wednesday, Thursday,Saturday at practice.
And they just expect those kidsto play on Tuesdays and Fridays.
Um, but I will say that a lot ofthose kids that weren't

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completely bought in and lockedin, they're completely bought in
and locked in now.
So don't be surprised if we goeight, nine, eight this year.
Because we have the deaf, wehave the kids that are buying
in, we have the kids that areplaying hard, we have like we
have those practice players thatwant to get those minutes.

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Like Jameer, Jameer hasn'tplayed basketball since eighth
grade.

SPEAKER_04 (34:01):
Right.
Yeah, but Jameer came out topractice.

SPEAKER_02 (34:05):
So Jameer hasn't played basketball since eighth
grade.
Amari hasn't touched thebasketball since June.
Okay, right.
In today's practice, those wereour two MVPs for today's
practice.
Those two.
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Let me ask you this, because you just said practice,
but football in the Saturday,it's only Wednesday.
Right.
Where were tryouts?
So no no no.
So we had those kids make theteam.
So listen, so like I knowAmari's already had on it, but
for real, where's the where'sthe tryouts?

SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
They still have the we have to legally like that's
why they couldn't play.
So they lost Saturday, they cameMonday, that was their first day
of tryouts.
Then we had the scrimmageTuesday, and then Wednesday is
this was their second day oftrials, and the third day of
trials is on Monday.

unknown (34:54):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (34:55):
So we're like kind of cutting it down, but it's
just all those kids that allthose kids that came from
football, six of them out of theseven were already on the team
because we're trying to keep thesame group, and I wouldn't say
keep the same group, we're notknocking anyone from sliding up

(35:17):
in there.
But if you you can't be betterthan those six or seven, then we
we gotta do we gotta do what wegotta do for us to be the best
we can be.
So that's six or seven footballplayers, right?
Which doesn't include theyounger guys that are aren't

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playing football, Jack the Jack,and all those kids.
That's not including Will,Javon, and those young men who
don't play, and they'restarters, right?
So deep.

SPEAKER_04 (35:51):
Yeah, I'm telling you, a kid that's being slept.
I don't think he's being sleptup, but a younger one.

SPEAKER_03 (35:57):
Shout out to C Russell Tony Big Ben.

SPEAKER_04 (36:01):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say Silas.
I like Silas.

SPEAKER_02 (36:04):
You giving up our hidden piece.
You get to I love it.

SPEAKER_04 (36:08):
Hey man, people already know.

SPEAKER_03 (36:10):
Come on, Silas Miller from the version this
year, yes.

SPEAKER_04 (36:14):
Oh, Silas is a dog, and no proposition.

SPEAKER_03 (36:16):
So you got people like him and Jack coming off
dropping, but the thing is, andthat's like junior, those are JV
versions of Will right now.
So y'all have so much depth, andthen the Braxton and Keon, and
some of these kids get to playit, and then the Mark, man, you
guys are deep.
Like really deep.
You guys can start your bench atJames Woods, Sharando, and a lot

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of area teams for the city.
Listen, listen.
So we have we had for our twoscrimmages since our football
players couldn't play.
Uh-oh, Will is out right now,Devon is out right now.

SPEAKER_02 (36:51):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
So we had Jack, Aaron, Silas, Timmy, and Asher.

SPEAKER_04 (36:58):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (36:59):
We went to Briar Woods and won with that five and
no subs.
Played yesterday against now,Chris.
Played uh yesterday againstSpongeBob and tied with them.

SPEAKER_04 (37:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (37:13):
What do you mean now?
I said use the bench, you guysare super deep.
Yeah.
They are when Lang and all theseguys came over from the football
team, and Dixon's always like,Oh, don't worry, wait till the
football team comes.
I used to be like, I don't careif Wayne is.

SPEAKER_04 (37:29):
Well, I'm just saying that this this class has
been groomed since seventhgrade.
You know, crew.
We were 15 deep in DanielMorgan.
I remember stomping teams like80 to 10.
Javon, Christian, Amari, uh,Jameer, Isaiah Baxter.

SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
Like, oh and two minutes last year.
He's nice.
So at least I won't say he'snice.
This class, all right.
I'll I'll I'll be quite frank.
I'll throw a name out there.
So he was a part of that groupthat was not buying in.
So if you can't buy in duringpractice, we can't trust you to

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play the game.
You talking about Baxter.
Now, yeah, all right.
Now I will tell you now, IsaiahBaxter has bought into
everything we're saying.
Isaiah Baxter is learning allthe plays.
Isaiah Baxter is doingeverything he can do in his
possibility to get on the floor.

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And if he continues to do thatand continue to excel what he
can do, now I've seen Isaiahplay for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 (38:39):
Right.
Isaiah is more of a pickupplayer than a than a uh like a
street ball, like yeah, yeah.
I can agree, but but his hisseal is so high that like that
boy because he gets nervousplaying in front of coaches and
stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 (38:55):
Right now, when we turn that outside civics rec
center play and put it into asystem, that's a great, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:05):
I love that, yeah.
That's exactly how he is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:08):
That's a great player, and right the thing is
he's open to doing that now.
Right now, last year he was notopen to doing that, right?
He just, hey, that's cool,that's why we always moving
forward.

SPEAKER_04 (39:19):
And I and I think, and I'll just keep it real,
because like you say, he didn'tget a lot of minutes, which I
don't know, you know, I wouldn'tat every or none of the varsity
practices or whatever, but youknow, you talk about buying in,
but it's honestly like I think alot of them kids when they
finally do get in the game, youknow what I mean?
And some it's like they're justthey're pressing too much.
Like they want to, like, oh, Igotta get mine, you know.
I just think that's and you knowthat it's like, okay, now I'm in

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the game, I want to try toshine, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (39:44):
Right.
But the thing is, I can't blamethem for being that young and
thinking that.
Right.
But at the same time, there'stwo sides of it.
There's no great area in themiddle where they just go out
and play how they're supposed toplay.
There's one side that wants toshine and do everything, and
then there's another side that'stoo timid because they don't
want to mess up.

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Right.
There's always two sides ofthat.
And I just feel like as seniors,they've matured a lot and they
feel that even if they mess up,they're still gonna get another
chance.

SPEAKER_04 (40:19):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (40:20):
They're still gonna get a chance after a chance, but
there's gonna come a time wherethose chances run out, and we we
it's out of our control.
If we give you the chance andyou don't take advantage of the
chance, then we gotta go to thenext guy.
So go talk to Jojo, but likeunfortunately, you're the player
of the year.
Your chances on the grid islandas a high school champion is

(40:42):
right now, but you can wininvestment.
I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
Well, I think what is Joe?

SPEAKER_04 (40:47):
I think I think he's wrestling, right?
He's gonna wrestle, I think, iswhat he's gonna do, right?
Yeah, I think he's gonnawrestle.

SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
You can wrestle and play basketball because you can
go to the games and playbasketball and play the
practice, but you can stillwrestle and just be that guy.

SPEAKER_04 (41:01):
But I get it.
We know Joe Jojo is a footballplayer.
That's his you know, butfootball is he could, but he
could help the bands.
Like I said, he's that likeDennis Rodman type out there.

SPEAKER_03 (41:10):
Christian was a basketball player, he still is,
right?
But he went and played football.
Jojo can do the same and comeback and play and help him for
that state championship.

SPEAKER_04 (41:18):
Yeah, but Christian, you know that people forget
Christian has played footballhis whole life since he was
seven.
It's like he forgot how to playfootball.

SPEAKER_03 (41:27):
You know, that's the JoJo's played basketball.
My point is his boy came andtried to help him win states as
a senior.
Now, look, it didn't happen,unfortunately.
Now come help Christian andJayvon and them try to win.

SPEAKER_04 (41:42):
Very true.
Yeah, as Christian and I won'tgo back to hey, we went and
played football.

SPEAKER_03 (41:45):
It's your senior year, as all of us know, because
we've all graduated.

SPEAKER_04 (41:48):
I don't know, Zach.
You're on here, right?
Is it too late for Jojo to comeout?
We'll still try to get him.

SPEAKER_03 (41:55):
No, it's not too late.
That's that's the one thing Iwill say.

SPEAKER_04 (42:00):
No, no, like Grell said, there's six of them locked
in.
They made they just still giveme this.
Oh, they gotta try out.
That's why you already knowwho's on the team.

SPEAKER_03 (42:13):
Regardless of who you are, what you were in the
past, you still have to show uptoday, put your feet on the line
of the air.
Oh, well, of course.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, that's why.
A kid that's grown and justworked on his game so much, it
might be like that.
Now, of course, those kids areprobably make the team, but they
should still have officialtryouts.
I think that's right.

SPEAKER_04 (42:31):
Oh, the what they do, Chris.
They still gotta go through theprotocol.

SPEAKER_03 (42:34):
I know, but you're already like, nope, nope,
Christian.

SPEAKER_04 (42:37):
But I'm just saying we know who Dev is.

SPEAKER_03 (42:41):
Go ahead to real.
This is how like this is howseason or winter season works.
So if you're playing a fullsport, we still have our date
for the tryouts.
So our date for the tryouts wasNovember 10th.
Right.
Everyone that wasn't playing afall sport tried out.
Okay, so we have the select fewthat made the varsity team from

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that first phase of tryouts, andnow when we get to the second
phase, which is the footballplayers, we have you've already
kept those spots open for them.
No, it's no our numbers are sodown right now that you like, so
we all start trying outtogether, okay?

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And then we pick from thattryout who can come try out for
varsity the next day.

SPEAKER_02 (43:31):
Because if you can't make it through a JV trial,
you're definitely not gonna getthrough a varsity trial.
Right.
Okay, right.

SPEAKER_03 (43:37):
So we picked our select few, and honestly, there
is probably not another kid thatyou will find at Ali that's
better than those six thatalready had their spot a lot.

SPEAKER_01 (43:51):
You know what I'm saying?
Because it's just our numbersare down, kids don't come dry
out.

SPEAKER_03 (43:59):
I don't know what it is, but because they know the
kids have been there.

SPEAKER_04 (44:03):
Well, that's why you guys always come to me, because
like I said, being a day, I seethem come up for and and usually
there's a gap.
Being a day, you know, you havethat like like for example,
Silas Miller when he played ineighth grade, he was the one the
best by far.
That was it.
He's the only one let I thinkfrom that team that you so you
know I mean, there's always likeusually a gap, yeah, you know,

(44:25):
between classes.

SPEAKER_02 (44:27):
It's just like there's also those kids that
just flat out don't want to playbasketball because and I'm not
I'm not knocking like what youhad in Gonzague going on at
Damon Morgan, but you you sawour practice, right?

SPEAKER_03 (44:44):
Our practice level is completely different because
we have more like mature kids,we have more physically fit, we
have more faster kids.
So we have to ramp it up forthose kids to get to the college
level, like their steps.
So you go building college.
We what we are trying to do andthe way we run practice, we're

(45:06):
trying to get you ready forcollege.
Right in the back of our minds,like obviously in the back of
our minds, we want to win astate championship.
That is our main goal, but ourultimate main goal is to build
you as a man one and build youas a college player too.
If you have that, if you want toplay college ball, you know what
I'm saying?
So, like, we have the kids likeJavon, we have the kids like

(45:29):
Will, we have the kids likeKyle, we have the kids like
Christian, we have the kidsMari.
Mari probably gonna go playcollege football.
I say it, probably going to playcollege football.
Like those kids that knowthey're going to college, we try
to build that first.

(45:49):
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, and there's only so muchwe can do to build a college
football player.
Like, we can build yourcharacter, we can do all that.
But on the basketball side, weare going to do everything in
our power for you to be able toexceed at the next level.
Right.
Right.
And that's why I feel like we Iwouldn't say we differ from

(46:10):
other programs, but I just feellike it kind of shows in
advance.

SPEAKER_04 (46:17):
Like, obviously, we have a lot more talent than
well, that's what I always say,Terrell's like, you know,
because I could I'm like, I justlet the product sell itself.
Right.
Like, bro, when I first startedat Daniel Morgan, they'll tell
me I'm recruiting kids.
And I'm like, oh, I recruit mymiddle.
Like, what do you think?
I'm like, no, just I let theproducts if you if you're a

(46:38):
great program, like hey, youknow, whoever, Petersburg,
whatever, you know, kids want togo there, right?
I mean, I'd say like, but youget to high it's the same thing
with Martinsburg.

SPEAKER_03 (46:48):
Why you've never been investigated for it.

SPEAKER_04 (46:52):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (46:55):
The freshman year.

SPEAKER_03 (46:56):
Two, everybody wants to go to Martinsburg because of
their culture, they're pro,yeah, their brand.
They built that from the floorup, and now people just think
that we are quote unquoterecruiting, but people don't
know they started with you,Tony.

(47:16):
Like Will started with you.
Like, well, not me exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (47:20):
That was a not you exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (47:22):
No, let me keep it real with y'all.

SPEAKER_04 (47:23):
Y'all but yeah, I I know I know what you're saying.

SPEAKER_03 (47:26):
Yeah, no, he's scared, so he keeps trying to
talk.
He knows what I'm gonna say.
Y'all knew that those six orseven kids were no matter what,
they're most of the best playerson the basketball team, so
they're gonna make those spots.
Yeah, right.
Now let's get down to thenitty-gritty.
Out of all those great kids, andJ Bon and all of them's going to
college, the best player on theHanley's basketball team this

(47:48):
year is who?
The one that's gonna reallydrive that force when you okay
see who's their best player?
They got great players, they gotshit and he put you on the spot
too.

SPEAKER_04 (48:00):
Can't answer that or no, I can't answer that.

SPEAKER_03 (48:02):
I mean, I guess it's him, it's you too, Tony.
I'm talking to General, I'mtalking to C Russell and Ben
Bates and Zach and everybodythat's watching right now.
So you gotta answer you gottacarry your team through a one or
two individuals and then keepgoing.
So Haney has Christian to Will.
Let's keep it real.
J Von Kavan and Lamar, they'reall nice.
That's why I say Haley is deep.

(48:23):
Right.
You got Will, who's one of thegreatest shooters in the entire
state, right?
And you got Christian, who's oneof the greatest athletes in the
state, who keeps getting bigger.
Run the ball through these twodumb men, and then you got other
college players like Kylen andJake Found and them filling it.
Man, Haley's deep.
They got college footballplayers on their building.

SPEAKER_02 (48:40):
Right.
So to answer your question.

SPEAKER_03 (48:42):
Well, you gotta run that ball through those two
kids, and this year can't justbe about will.
I'm not even being funny.
Christian is getting so big andso dominant as of just driving
force.
And I want them to be moredominant because I sometimes I
think Christian's timid.
I'm like, dude, get that ball,blow past him bang, and we might
not dump them to the basketball.

SPEAKER_04 (49:00):
Dude, I haven't because I've coached these kids
from what you've coached.
I'm telling you, because I knowwho has the dog.
What did we talk about earlier,Terrell, when the lights come
on, right?
Who's gonna step up?
Right?
I I gave two right off the bat.
Will Christian.
I just when the lights arebright, they're not gonna buckle

(49:21):
under pressure.
Okay, would you agree?
Those those two right up.
They've hit big shots before,and you know, in close games,
game-winning shots, both ofthem.

SPEAKER_03 (49:34):
I would just think, I would just think, I would just
think to answer your question,Tuck.
We don't have a singular bestplayer, we have the best player
at doing one aspect, like ourbest shooter is obviously Will.
Right.
Our best defender are Mari andJavon.
Our best driver is Christian.
Our best post-up man to play inthe pink is Kyron.

(49:56):
Like we have best kids.
Which is a great team.
Right.
Yeah.
So we don't have, we can't, wecan't answer.

SPEAKER_04 (50:05):
Yeah, they're all good at one single thing.

SPEAKER_02 (50:11):
See, like our thing, why do you think uh so last year
during spring mills, Tony?
You know this.
Last year during Spring Mills,Jayvon shot two shots.
Right?

SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:24):
It wasn't it was in the locker room during our KYP,
during practice all week,Jayvon's one job was to stop a
quasi.
Guess how many points a quasihad that game?

SPEAKER_04 (50:35):
He didn't have many.

SPEAKER_03 (50:36):
Four.

SPEAKER_04 (50:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:37):
Aquasi hit six threes a game prior to that.
He had four points.

SPEAKER_04 (50:41):
Hey, Jay.

SPEAKER_03 (50:42):
Hey, I gotta say, about us is we have kids that
are great at doing their job.
Sir, yes.
Kids that buy in, and when wehave a system like we have, we
have a culture like we have, youhave to buy in to what you can
do to make everyone great.
Right you know what I'm saying?
So, like, I understand when thewhen the bright get when the

(51:05):
lights get bright, everybodythinks that it's just Christian
and will and the scoring part.
But people don't see the partwhere Jayvon's locking up their
best player or Martin.
Oh, I agree.
Yeah, that's what I'm trying tosay because OKC is so damn good
right now with all those youngkids they have.
They're your age, most of them.
Right.
They're so good because theyhave all that talent and they're

(51:27):
so deep, like Halen.
But they still have their Shays,their Chets, and their Jalen's.
Let's be honest.
I'm not even hating on nobodyelse.
So you've got to use them asthose driving forces and be
happy and thrilled that you haveso much other talent.
But the thing is, the thing is,on the OKC port.
Well, OKC has a hundredChristians and wheels.

(51:50):
I'm gonna be honest.
The thing is, the thing is, whenwe had, like I like I was
saying, like when you're good atyour particular role, like all
right, put it like this KasenWallace on the I love him.
Okay, he is a straight 3 and Dplayer, and he is getting a bag

(52:16):
just off being a 3 and D playerand doing his job.
You know what I'm saying?
Right.
All right, so like anotherthing, dude, Derek White.
Oh, he's a beast.
He might be awesome.
He he built his name straightoff 3 and D.
I see I see the sign behind you.

SPEAKER_04 (52:35):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (52:35):
Miles, Miles McBride built his name and gets paid off
3 and D.

SPEAKER_02 (52:41):
So that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 (52:42):
He's getting built, and he's getting paid off doing
his particular job.
Now, there's there's alwaysthose all-stars on the team.
Obviously, when you look at ourteam on paper, you're going to
say Christian and Will are thebest players on our team, and we
run our but Jamara it might beJayvon and on Friday, it might
be Calvin Clark.

(53:02):
Yeah, I mean, I've always saidor even Silas, like who once a
zero to like the pressure.

SPEAKER_04 (53:10):
I mean, I said this a few years, it's well, I tell
these kids all the time in thebest.
It's like they're all gonna gettheir moment.
You know, I mean, that you know,one game might be Will, one
might be Chris.
And then Amari will have a hellof a, you know what I mean?
But us being coaches, we see,like I say, I do watch defense.
Like, I hey, trust me, I noticedJ Von shutting people down, you
know, locking people up.

SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
I'm gonna be honest, but y'all, if Tristan played
basketball this year, he mightbe the best player on that team
over Will and Christian.
But that's just how I think, andI've seen I'm not but that would
be how much amaz more amazingthey would be.
That's why I want Jojo on him tocome out and play because they
do well.

SPEAKER_04 (53:47):
But definitely add it would definitely definitely
add more depth.
I'd say that.

SPEAKER_03 (53:53):
I think he has the talent to really win it all this
year.
I say that a lot because of thething is talent, but we never do
it, Terrell.
I hope that finally, as youbeing a coach up there, you can
help figure some.
We have the talent, we have thetalent, but as everybody says,
everybody knows this talent canonly take you guys so far.

(54:16):
Look at Hanley football.
Look at Hanley football, right?
Talent can only take you guys sofar until you run into that
brick wall, and what are yougonna do when that brick wall
standing there?
You know what I'm saying?
So how many teams do you know ofwhen big games and NFL
championships and collegechampionships, and their star
quarterback wasn't there?
No, that kid that kid Hensler orwhatever, that's his name,

(54:39):
right?
Hensler, yeah, he played greatoverall.
He had a great year.
The team's 10 and 2.
Shout out to that young man.
It's tough.
But like you said, they put in aposition and never even started
before.

SPEAKER_04 (54:48):
That's tough.
Yeah, he still had a great year.

SPEAKER_03 (54:51):
But what people are even looking at is Hanley didn't
have their starting actualquarterback, and they did that
great, right?
Right, and the thing is gonnawin it this year, and Terrell's
one of the coaches is gonna helpget it done.
Man, I'm pumped, man.
I'm excited.
So we we we're working towardsthat.
The thing is, we just trying tobuild a culture and build

(55:13):
something.
See, the culture's there now,Terrell.
Have you been to nothing not nofunny?
Yeah, no, no, no, no.
The culture is if Haley can'twin it this year, if Haley
doesn't win it this year,because it's not that you can't,
because you can't.
If Haley doesn't win it thisyear, I'm not being funny, but
whatever Tony just said aboutthere's gaps, there's gonna be a
gap.

unknown (55:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:31):
Yeah, but once they get to high school, it all you
know, I mean it it all balancesout.

SPEAKER_03 (55:35):
But what you just said, Tony, is the gap, not that
the closest for whatever, butright 29 seniors in football,
yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (55:41):
That's true.
That's a lie.

SPEAKER_03 (55:44):
It's three of the five starters, and then like six
of them play this the top eightminutes of the players on the
team.
It's not gonna be easy to getright back.
Yeah, I'm a firm believer thatWill come back as senior.

SPEAKER_04 (55:57):
But football has a lot more players, too.

SPEAKER_03 (55:59):
I don't even think Will come back, and you guys
don't have to speak on itbecause you're someplace and
you're a coach.
But those kids are allgraduating.
That's a lot to ask, but Will'sgotta do what's best for him.
If I was Will, I wouldn't comeback.
I'm like, shit, they all out,all right.
He might start.
I mean, you guys think I justthink Will has a character, he's

(56:20):
very loyal to what he hasstarted, which would be great
for Hamley.
You guys still have Jack andSilas and all those kids.

SPEAKER_04 (56:26):
Well, there's a plenty coming up, so there's a
you you you know him, Tony.

SPEAKER_03 (56:31):
You you know, I don't know all of them.
I'm trying to put me on.

SPEAKER_04 (56:35):
Asher, he's oh there's a few I can name that I
know that are but I'm not sayingthat's coming up.

SPEAKER_03 (56:42):
That's gonna open a lot of eyes, even even when
little Amari gets stronger.
He's Brandon.
There are gonna be two kidsthere.
Is that Travis and Jessica?

SPEAKER_04 (56:52):
Oh, yeah, he's talking about my eighth graders
playing fresh Brand Amari andBrandon.
They're nice, but now Brandon'sraw, you know.
He his IQ's gotta be.
Yeah, yeah, it's uh J Von'scousin, Amari Nelson.

SPEAKER_03 (57:06):
That those I would say those are two kids that can
open a lot of eyes if they buyin this summer and really
perfect their craft, right?
And a lot of people just thinkthat just because we're losing
Kristen Kyron, J Bond, Mari, andall them, that we're just want
to lay down Haley.

(57:27):
Never laid down.

SPEAKER_04 (57:28):
No, bro.
I've I've just said Terrell, youknow, there's there's a lot of
talent still coming up.

SPEAKER_03 (57:35):
Y'all want the only states, but Haley, even though
we've never won it, we've neverwon it.
Right.
We I mean for the first timewhen I was a senior, we were the
basketball state championshipsfor the first time since the
1979 season, which I wasn't bornyet, and we finally made it my
senior year, right?

SPEAKER_04 (57:52):
Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 (57:53):
Haley's never won it with all the greats from LA to
Marcel to JJ to Leech, theChris's gonna get in his
feelings because they've neverwon it.
Too many people we've had, we'venever won it.
Millbrook did, but one thing Iwill say, unlike Millbrook or
anybody else, Sharando, Wood,and all of them, they all got
great teams, but they can go.

(58:13):
Haley always has it.
That's why it disappoints methat we lose every fucking year
in states.
But I'm gonna put a lot ofpressure on you, young man,
because y'all getting it donethis year.
It just, it just like even onlyy'all getting it done, your
son's getting it done, and Ihey, I hey, I hope like ever
since they've been in middleschool, exactly since seven.

SPEAKER_04 (58:33):
That was the that was the class put on the
spotlight, you know, futurestate championship.
So hey, they all they almost gotit last year.
Like, hey, you know, what welose by two points to to uh ch I
can't remember their damn namenow.
They lose two in this variety,yeah.
So they almost did it.
I really felt you know, hey,they won the state could have

(58:56):
done it last year.
Didn't they?

SPEAKER_03 (58:57):
They did.

SPEAKER_01 (58:58):
Oh, they lost.
No, they lost, they lost toAtley, and Atley had 11 seniors.

SPEAKER_04 (59:04):
Yeah, Atlie was they was deep.

SPEAKER_03 (59:08):
Hold on, hold on, TH.
What did they have?

SPEAKER_01 (59:11):
They had 11 seniors.

SPEAKER_03 (59:13):
How many does Haley have this year in the basketball
team?
Like seven to eight.

SPEAKER_01 (59:17):
So we got Christian, Kyron, Jayvon, Maury, Zaquan,
Keon, Isaiah.
Seven or eight.

unknown (59:28):
Woo!

SPEAKER_01 (59:29):
Yeah, it's eight.
Yeah, that's that's that's alot.

SPEAKER_03 (59:33):
It's not 11.
That's 11 out of 12, but seven,eight, eight, that's a lot.
It's Hamley's year.

SPEAKER_05 (59:40):
Yeah, no, it it is.
I can see that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:44):
Well, so no, no funny stuff.
I don't know all the parents andeverybody else involved, but
I've seen Silas Silas won MVP atthe Hoops for Hope second year,
man.
I remember that young kid.
He was in middle school, seventhgrade, maybe.

SPEAKER_04 (59:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (59:55):
Right.
That's that I was.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:00):
Thinking of these kids because when I first
coached Silas, he was on one ofmy first travel teams.
He he was sick, couldn't get theball down to court.
You know what I'm saying?
He turned it over, but Nat didhe just totally turned it
around.
You know, I was so hard on him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:13):
That's good with eight seniors already on the
team.
Silas, that means there's onlythree other spots.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:19):
Because I'm pretty sure that's gonna be one of
them, but good luck, man.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:22):
But hey guys, hey, I love it.
We can we can go on and on andon.
We've been over an hour, man.
For real.
It's Thanksgiving.
We go you gotta go watch yournext and let's end it.
Uh Terrell, you got anyshout-outs or anything like
that?
Anybody?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:37):
Um I mean, obviously, shout out for opening
up and giving me this chance toreally kind of open my college
coaching career.
Um obviously I've always wantedto be a coach and to be uh
varsity head coach of the numberone 4-A team in the state five
months after finishing collegebasketball.

(01:00:58):
Right is just kind of a blessingin his obviously kind of guys,
you know, he would he all he cando to put me in this position
now.
I just gotta take advantage ofthis.
Um but I mean, shout out to youguys for having me on.
You know, uh I've tuned in alot.

(01:01:22):
Um but just overall, man, just alot of people want high hope for
us.
And we're going to do everythingin our power to really fulfill
those.
Right.
Right.
That's what we're workingtowards now.
Um we have the most ramped uppractices ever.

(01:01:42):
Now that our football playersare here.
Um and our main goal in our mindis just try and make history and
bring that first thingchampionship back to Winchester
Public Schools.
Let's say that.

SPEAKER_04 (01:01:54):
Right.
Bring it back to WinchesterPublic Schools.
And hey, I've been I've been outthere to practice, man.
And I say, hey, you're greatwith the kids.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're you're a great coach.
Yeah, yeah.
Use those I'm learning, I'mlearning from you, young man.
Coming after but I was askingquestions.
So hey, I'm I'm out therelearning from you.

(01:02:14):
But hey, hey guys, happyThanksgiving.
You know, have a blessedThanksgiving.
Yeah, big light with yourfamily.
Oh, yeah, Mike.
Yeah.
So hey guys, hey Terrell, thanksfor coming on.
Enjoyed it.
You can come on anytime, man.
Talk bad, whatever you want totalk about.
You can jump on anytime.
But they thanks for getting onlast minute.
You look sharp with thathaircut.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:36):
Hold on, pause though.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:39):
There you go.
Yes.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:40):
Best barber in the state.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:41):
Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:42):
Basement.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:43):
There you go.
Yeah.
Christy Cups.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:48):
That's what they call it.
That's what it's talking about.
Hey, that's a fine name, no lie.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:56):
Hey, man.
But have a great holiday, uh,Tarrill.
All right, bro.
Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:02):
I get you.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:04):
Nah, dude, he jumped off.
Chris, you just be rambling,rambling, rambling.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:09):
And look, you got bad hype because of your son.
I'm just cut him out and likegive him the ride.
You're like, oh, oh no, they canall ball up.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:19):
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:20):
Well, Chris, hey, yo, you got an issue.
You gotta call it out.
Like, leave the truth.
I know J Ron accounting him toball, but in the day, you get
William Christian the ball, butin the day, Christians say
Christians are Giannis to theyoke.
You gotta keep it real.
Like, I'm not scared to callshit out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:36):
No, bro.
I mean, I've we've had thesediscussions.
We we all know.
I just don't, it's my son.
And of course, people go, Oh,well, Tony's gonna pump up his
son.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:44):
Yeah, but no, no, they can all ball, yeah.
Of course they can ball, but uh,we know that every does that can
Jalen Wayne and Chet Hogan ball?
Oh, yeah, yeah, they're not SGA,right?
And that's what I was trying tosay about Christian.
That's all I'm not hating on.
None of them, they're nice.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:01):
Oh, yeah, that none of them at all.
They're all great kids.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:04):
That's the best player, Pippin and Robin who are
the greatest ever.
They weren't like right, right.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:10):
Well, Chris, hey yo, bro.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:13):
Hey, yo, you didn't even talk about mac and cheese,
you didn't even talk about ChevyChase.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:17):
Well, what do we mean?
What you want to keep goingtalking about Thanksgiving
dinner or something?

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:21):
What were you supposed to do?

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:22):
What what what are you gonna eat for dinner?
Uh Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:25):
Well, I gotta man bullshit, but end of the day,
you know what I'm gonna eattomorrow, man.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:31):
Well, that's what shit you gotta work tomorrow,
which sucks.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:34):
Yeah, but I also two blocks away from the Mason's
Thanksgiving Day parade.
So are you is your familytradition to just wake up and
watch football?
Well, football doesn't startuntil what uh it starts at 12 30
ish or whatever at the morning,right?

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:49):
And well, hold on, Chris.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:50):
Let's take on the Mason's Thanksgiving Day Parade
already.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:54):
Hey Chris, let's take a quick break.
Real quick.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:07):
Man, and and we've got a new project coming out as
well, and it's gonna be called apodcast, and it's called Hold
on, keep going, keep going,promote it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:14):
I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:17):
It's gonna be called Coffee and Bogeys, man, and it's
gonna be the wake up show.
We got you guys covered, man.
Whether it's politics, it'sCOVID, it's face mask, it's
genocide, it's wars, it's allthis extra shit, man.
But we just love to talk aboutit.

(01:05:37):
It's wars, it could beneighborhood shit, it could be
ice, it could be ice in thecups.
But yeah, man, we're gonna dosomething different.
In the meantime, I'm gonna letTony smoke his bogey confix this
shit and edit it later, man.
I'm not gonna just say and talkto the screen.
Happy thanks.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:56):
Oh lord.
Lost Chris.
Look, well, everybody, thanksfor joining in.
Have a blessed Thanksgiving.
And remember, go watch us on uhYouTube or YouTube channel.
Please subscribe and Facebook,we're out there.
Also, uh Buzz Sprout, Brotherswith Opinions at Bruce Spout
Buzz Sprout.com.

(01:06:17):
You can find all our episodesand on every streaming service.
So I think Chris, he's gone offto watch the next game because
he's sitting there spinning, hegot a bad connection.
But everybody, hey, have a greatThanksgiving and we'll see you
next week.

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Ain't no good in private.
Knowledge to the ignorant, ain'tnever been blitzed.
Stand up and beat her.
We the new activists getbrothers with opinions that they
come over there.
You know communication, but thenyou must have ahead.
We are like the brother, we putin the world, and this is the

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four minute, we're the dot,stop, don't you?
Oh my god, made the double.