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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're diving into a
really interesting source today,
Chapter 70, titledUnderstanding God.
It's from something called theBuilt for God Handbook and
specifically we're looking atthe Christian edition of the Tao
Te Ching.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's right, and
this isn't just, you know,
standard commentary.
The source tells us chapter 70has a very specific stated
purpose.
Okay, it aims to present thegospel through what it calls a
new expression of God's love,and the goal, explicitly, is to
restore the truth, taking theseancient, profound principles you
usually associate with the TaoTe Ching and filtering them
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quite deliberately through aChristian perspective.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
That's a fascinating
premise right there, merging
those two sort of wisdomtraditions to articulate gospel
truths, exactly.
So our mission in this deepdive is to really get to grips
with this specific chapter.
We'll break down its coremessage first, then explore a
very practical method forrenewal based on its principles,
using something the sourcecalls the Trinitarian MAP.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
MAP Mindset, aim and
Practice.
And finally, we'll look at howinternalizing these ideas
empowers us to respond byfinding what it sees as shared
truths across different faithtraditions.
We're going to see whatpractical wisdom this unique
perspective holds forunderstanding divine
communication, our purpose and,maybe surprisingly, finding
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common ground.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Let's jump into the
chapter itself.
Then it opens with thisimmediate, pretty striking
paradox that just grabs you mywords are easy to understand and
easy to follow, yet the worlddoes not understand and does not
follow.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's the central
tension, isn't it?
The speaker claims absoluteclarity, simplicity, even yet
observes this widespread failureto grasp it or live by it.
It makes you wonder well, ifit's so easy, why is it so hard
for people?
And the source suggests thisreally echoes Jesus's own
experience, Like in Matthew 13,the parables revealing truth to
some, hidden from others.
Not because the stories werecomplicated.
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The difficulty isn't in thecomplexity, but maybe in the
listener's openness or capacity.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
And the speaker
immediately gives these simple
words profound weight, talkingabout their origin.
My words are from the beginningof time.
My actions come from the onewho sent me.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
This anchors the
message in well, eternity and
divine authority.
The source makes a direct linkhere to John's gospel.
You know, in the beginning wasthe word and the word was God.
Yeah, Eternal divine word andthe actions from the one who
sent me.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
the source explicitly
links that to jesus in john
14.10, where he says he onlydoes what he sees the father
doing.
So his life is the embodimentof this divine action and the
consequence of missing this linkwords, actions, divine source.
It's pretty stark.
If people do not know this,they do not not know me.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, that's powerful
.
True knowledge isn't justknowing about something.
It's linked to recognizing thesource.
The source material frames thisas really understanding
Christ's true identity.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Not just knowing
scripture.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
It points out that
just being familiar with the
texts, like some were in Jesus'time, didn't guarantee
recognition if they missed thisfundamental divine origin and
purpose.
It's less about head knowledge.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
More about
recognizing who is speaking and
acting.
Yet this lack of recognition,this limited understanding, it
doesn't devalue the messageitself.
The chapter says those whounderstand me are few, but it
does not lessen my worth.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And that's crucial.
The source really emphasizesthis the truth, specifically the
truth embodied in Christ.
Its value isn't based onpopularity contests.
Despite rejection, limitedunderstanding, its inherent
eternal value remains absolute.
Think of that narrow road Jesustalks about in Matthew 7.
Few find it, but its worthisn't diminished by the numbers
right.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Right, and it all
builds to that beautiful
paradoxical image.
At the end, though the Son ofGod wears the rough clothes of a
servant, he carries a pricelesstreasure in his heart.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
This is maybe the
most surprising part of this
opening section.
It really challenges our usualideas of value.
The source interprets this asthe divine manifesting in just
utter humility, the Son of Godtaking the form of a servant
wearing rough clothes.
But this outward simplicity,this humility, it contains
something infinitely preciousthe priceless treasure of God's
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presence, his truth, salvationitself.
It completely flips the world'svalue system, doesn't it?
True treasure isn't external,it's within.
The source ties this to Jesus'teaching about heavenly
treasures, not earthly ones, inMatthew 6.
This internal spiritual wealthis paramount.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So the core message
from chapter 70, as this source
presents it is about a divinelysourced eternal truth.
It's simple yet oftenmisunderstood, Embodied in
humility, and its worth isinherent, regardless of how it's
received.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Precisely.
That sums it up really well,and understanding that core
message is presented as thefoundation for well personal
transformation.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Which brings us to
the next part of our deep dive
Renewal, guided by thisTrinitarian MAP.
The source lays this out as astructured way to internalize
these truths.
Letting God's love shape ourmindset.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Trust in the Son
direct our aim.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
And faith in the Holy
Spirit guide our practice.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, it's trying to
provide a practical framework.
God's love changes ourperspective.
That's mindset.
Trust in the Son, who embodiedthe truth, directs our purpose
and goals.
That's aim.
And faith in the Holy Spirit,the guide and empowerer, shapes
our daily actions.
That's practice.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Okay, let's dive into
mindset.
Then, shaped by God's love, thesource pulls out five key
mindsets from chapter 70.
First, from that openingparadox my words are easy, yet
the world does not understandcomes humility and understanding
and action.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The mindset here is
described as sort of humble
realism, because truth is simplebut often rejected.
The source says develop amindset that expects
disagreement, expect lack ofunderstanding.
Sometimes it's about patience,not getting discouraged by
rejection, recognizing that whatseems clear to you might seem
like well foolishness to others.
Paul talks about this in 1Corinthians, right the cross
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being foolish.
So it's a humility that doesn'tdemand immediate acceptance but
just keeps going in truth.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Okay, building on
that, my words are from the
beginning of time.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
My come from the one
who sent me comes the mindset of
awareness of divine purpose ifyour words and actions are
ultimately sourced, in eternity,from the divine, then this
mindset means seeing your ownlife, your own efforts as
potentially part of somethingmuch bigger, a divine purpose so
living with intention seekingalignment with god's will,
understanding that you know evenin your plans the Lord is
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establishing your steps, likeProverbs 16.9 says, it's a
mindset rooted in the belief.
Your life isn't just random.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It can reflect God's
plan.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, just as Jesus's
actions reflected the father's.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And that ties right
into the next one.
If people do not know this,they do not know me Recognizing
the true identity of Christ.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
This mindset focuses
on how vital it is to recognize
Christ's divine nature andpurpose.
The source argues that trueknowledge of Christ isn't just
intellectual, it's relational,it's transformative.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
So it's not just
knowing about Jesus.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It's understanding
who he is the son of God, the
one embodying that eternal truthwe talked about.
Having this mindset is crucialfor your own identity as a
follower, and it gives you thefoundation to help others
understand him too.
Like Jesus said, if you reallyknow me, you will know my father
as well.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Then from those who
understand me are few, but it
does not lessen my worth.
The mindset is peace in theface of rejection.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, recognizing that
rejection or just limited
understanding is kind ofanticipated in chapter 70 helps
foster this mindset of innerpeace, your worth and the worth
of the truth you carry.
It doesn't depend on humanapproval.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Not on how many likes
you get.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Exactly, not on the
metrics.
This allows for contentmentresilience.
You can stay firm in yourconvictions without getting
totally rattled by criticism,because you know God's value of
you and his truth.
That's what matters.
It's like that piece Paul talksabout in Philippians 4.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Guarding hearts and
minds.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
That's the one.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
And finally, from.
Though the son of God wears therough clothes of a servant, he
carries a priceless treasure themindset is embracing humility
while carrying God's treasure.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
no-transcript your
richness comes from God's work
inside you, seeing yourselfmaybe as a jar of clay.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Holding this
incredible treasure.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Exactly Holding the
surpassing treasure.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, that lays out
the mindset shaped by God's love
.
Now let's shift gears to aimwhere trust in the sun directs
our purpose.
First, back to that openingparadox.
Aim for clarity and truth incommunication.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yes, Knowing the
truth is simple but often
misunderstood, should inform ouraim when we communicate.
The goal isn't to be clever orwin arguments with complex
rhetoric.
Aim for plain, clear, truthfulcommunication Spoken with love.
The source emphasizes.
Our responsibility is topresent the truth faithfully,
aiming to be understood even ifacceptance doesn't happen.
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Avoid deception.
Aim for clarity.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Then, building on the
divine origin idea, aim for
alignment with God's divine plan.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Christ's actions came
for the one who sent him, then
our aim, guided by trust in him,should be to align our own
actions with God's eternalpurposes.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So this is proactive.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Very proactive.
It's an aim, seeking God's willthrough scripture prayer,
listening to the spirit andintentionally directing our
choices.
You know will through scriptureprayer, listening to the Spirit
and intentionally directing ourchoices.
You know career relationships,goals aiming to contribute to
that larger divine plan.
It's like Proverbs 16.3 sayscommit your plans to the Lord,
aiming for him to establish themaccording to his purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And connecting to
knowing Christ.
Aim to know Christ deeply andshare his identity.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
This aim is about
intentional pursuit.
It's not just passive knowledge.
It's actively aiming to deepenyour personal, relational
knowledge of Christ, his nature,his love, his mission.
And this internal growthnaturally leads to the aim of
making him known, sharing histrue identity, so others can
also find reconciliation withGod.
It's that desire Paul expressesin Philippilippians 3 I want to
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know christ.
That's a name based on facinglimited understanding, aim for
peace and confidence despiterejection trusting the son
allows you to aim for aninterstate of peace and
confidence that isn't easilyshaken by what people think or
say because he faced it tooexactly knowing that christ
himself faced rejection, yet hisworth and mission were absolute
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.
That empowers you to aim, tostay focused on your calling on
the value of the truth,regardless of criticism or
indifference.
It's aiming for that peace thatguards your heart and mind even
when the world pushes back.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
And finally, drawing
from the servant image, aim for
humility and service, whilereflecting God's glory.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
This aim comes
straight from Christ's example.
You're aiming to embody thatparadox, living a life of humble
service, not aiming forpersonal recognition or glory.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
But aiming to reflect
the treasure within.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Precisely Aiming to
intentionally reflect that
priceless treasure of God's loveand truth that resides inside.
It's an active choice to adoptthe mindset of Christ, aiming to
make yourself available toserve others selflessly,
recognizing that true greatness,according to this source, comes
from serving, not being served,and in doing that you aim to
reflect God's glory.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That's a clear set of
aims flowing from trust in the
Son.
Okay, so now?
How does faith in the HolySpirit guide our practice, the
actual doing?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Exactly, this section
is all about the daily
enactment, the living out ofthese mindsets and aims, but
specifically empowered by theSpirit.
It's the rubber meets the roadpart.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Okay, so first
practice, linked again to the
opening paradox Embracesimplicity and clarity in
communication.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
The practice here is
actively choosing simplicity and
clarity, not just in how youtalk about your faith but,
importantly, how you live yourlife.
Knowing the message is simple,but often misunderstood.
The practice is to present itwithout adding unnecessary
complexity, Trusting the HolySpirit to do the work in
people's hearts, not relying onyour own fancy arguments.
It's practicing being a lightthat shines clearly, making the
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gospel accessible.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Next practice tied to
divine origin.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Align your actions
with God's eternal plan.
This takes the aim of alignmentand makes it a concrete, daily
practice.
It's a continuous, activepractice of seeking God's will
and aligning your steps with it.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
How does that look
day to day?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, the source
suggests things like daily
prayer, studying scripture toreally understand God's heart
and purposes, using discernmentand decisions, big and small,
and trusting that, as youpractice submitting your way to
him, he is directing your paths,like proverbs.
3.56 talks about living out thegood works he prepared exactly
and, following from knowingchrist, recognize and share the
true identity of christ thepractice here is making that
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deep knowledge of Christ anongoing pursuit, not a one-time
thing, daily spending time withhim in prayer, reflection,
letting your understanding growand that as a practice, actively
looking for opportunities toshare who Christ is, not just
abstract ideas, but his identitySavior, son of God, the
embodiment of love and truth.
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Through your words, yes, butalso through your actions.
It's the practice of living outthat confession Peter made you
are the Christ.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
The Son of the living
God.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Fourth practice,
linked to facing rejection
remain steadfast despiterejection.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
This is the practice
of resilience, really.
When you face misunderstanding,criticism, maybe just
indifference, the practice is toconsciously lean on your faith,
lean on the Holy Spirit forstrength and peace.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
How do you practice
that?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It's about actively
reminding yourself that the
truth's value isn't based onacceptance.
Practicing patience, practicingcontinuing to walk the path God
has for you, knowing rejectionis part of the journey, just
like it was for Christ.
It's practicing that faith Paultalks about in 2 Corinthians 4,
that keeps you from beingcrushed or despairing, even when
things are tough.
Okay and finally bringingtogether humility and treasure.
Live with humility corinthians4.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That keeps you from
being crushed or despairing,
even when things are tough, okay.
And finally bringing togetherhumility and treasure.
Live with humility, carryinggod's treasure this practice
embodies that final paradox.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
It's the daily
practice of living humbly,
serving others selflessly, notchasing praise or recognition
while knowing what you carryinside exactly, while
simultaneously being deeplyaware of the priceless treasure
of God's love salvation that youcarry within.
It's practicing gratitude forthat internal wealth and letting
it manifest outwardly in actsof service and love, reflecting
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the humility Christ modeled.
Recognizing true value comesfrom God, from what he's placed
in your heart, not your outwardstatus.
Philippians 2 is great on this.
In humility, value others aboveyourselves.
That's a practice.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wow, that MAP
structure, mindset, aim,
practice, drawing from God'slove, trust in the Son, faith in
the Holy Spirit.
It really does provide acomprehensive, almost
step-by-step way to apply theseprinciples from chapter 70 to
daily life.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's presented as a
very holistic approach, isn't it
, to internal transformation,daily life.
It's presented as a veryholistic approach, isn't it, to
internal transformation, movingfrom a changed perspective to
purposeful direction and then toconsistent action, all grounded
in that Trinitarian framework.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And the source
suggests this internal renewal,
this renewal through the MAP,actually empowers us to respond
more effectively in the world,particularly in fostering
dialogue and finding sharedtruths across different
traditions.
This is where it gets reallyinteresting.
It makes the claim that theseprinciples from chapter 70
resonate deeply in other majorworld religions.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, that's where
the source takes this
fascinating turn outward.
It basically posits thatsomeone who has really
internalized these truths isbetter equipped with greater
ardor, but also humility, toengage meaningfully with people
of different beliefs to discovercommon ground.
Truth, wherever you find it,ultimately aligns with other
truth.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, so let's look
at some of these shared truths.
The source identifies, startingwith that idea from the opening
paradox, the simplicity andclarity of divine communication.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Right.
The source finds echoes of thisidea that fundamental divine
messages are actually accessiblePretty simple, Even if how
people receive them variesacross different traditions.
It points to Jesus's parablesin Christianity, obviously, but
also the straightforward FourNoble Truths and Eightfold Path
in Buddhism, the idea ofaccessible devotion bhakti in
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Hinduism's Bhagavad Gita and thecore, clear principles of the
Torah in Judaism.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So the common thread
is accessibility.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, the source says
.
What unites us here is thisprofound idea that ultimate
truth can be grasped by sincereseekers, and these core messages
often point toward universalvirtues love, compassion, things
like that.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
That's a powerful
common thread.
Okay, next, drawing from thedivine origin of words and
actions, aligning actions withthe divine will.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Here the source
highlights the shared value
across faiths on aligning one'slife and actions with a higher
divine will or purpose.
Examples it citesChristianity's focus on
following Christ's examplesolely according to the Father's
will, buddhism's path ofaligning with the Dharma,
islam's core concept ofsubmission to Allah's will,
krishna's advice in the BhagavadGita to act according to divine
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instruction.
And Judaism's focus on livingby God's commandments in the
Torah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So the shared idea is
living in accordance with
something greater.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Exactly the source
argues that, across these faiths
, pursuing alignment with aperceived divine purpose is seen
as a universal path towardsfulfillment, peace and growth.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, Shifting to the
statement about knowing Christ,
understanding Christ and thedivine nature.
This seems more specific toChristianity.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
It is, and the source
acknowledges the unique
identity of Christ inChristianity.
You know, anyone who has seenme has seen the Father.
But it finds a related sharedtheme the recognition across
religions of a central figure orconcept that embodies divine
wisdom or presence or nature insome way.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So like Buddha,
embodying wisdom and compassion.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yes, or Islam's
absolute emphasis on the oneness
of Allah and Muhammad's role ashis prophet Krishna understood
as a supreme being in Hinduism,judaism's foundational belief in
God as one indivisible.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So the connection
isn't identical beliefs but the
shared human recognition of thedivine manifesting.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
That's how the source
puts it.
This shared recognition indifferent ways, through key
figures or concepts, is seen asa point of connection.
It encourages deeper spiritualseeking and mutual respect, even
where the specificunderstandings are very
different.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Interesting.
Okay, and drawing from theresilience point, resilience and
peace in the face of rejection.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Here the source
observes that, while messengers
of truth across traditions haveoften faced misunderstanding and
rejection, it's almost apattern.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
We see that with
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right Jesus' path
included rejection, buddhism's
teachings on suffering and usingmindfulness to navigate it.
Prophet Muhammad faced intenserejection.
The Bhagavad Gita teachesdetachment from the results of
actions, which includesacceptance or rejection, and the
prophets in Judaism constantlyfaced resistance.
So the uniting threat is theshared recognition that standing
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for truth can bring oppositionand the value placed across
these traditions on cultivatinginner strength, patience and
peace, to remain steadfastdespite what others think or do.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Okay, finally,
reflecting on the servant image
and hidden treasure, humilityand the hidden treasure within.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
This is identified by
the source as a really powerful
point of convergence the ideathat true value, spiritual
wealth, divine presence resideswithin us, and it's often found
through humility and service.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
How does that play
out in other traditions?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Points to Christ's
ultimate humility as a servant
carrying eternal life.
Buddha embodying wisdom andselflessness in simplicity.
Islam emphasizes humility as akey virtue reflected in Prophet
Muhammad's simple life.
The Bhagavad Gita highlightsthe power found in humility and
devotion, and Judaism callspeople to walk humbly before God
and others so the sharedprinciple is that the best stuff
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is internal pretty much thesource argues.
The shared principle underscoresthat the most profound
spiritual treasures wisdom,peace, salvation, enlightenment
their internal cultivatedthrough inner virtue, devotion,
a humble orientation towardsservice rather than just
external show or status.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So the source's whole
point with this response
section, it's that living outthese principles through the MAP
gives you.
What new eyes.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
New eyes and maybe a
new heart, to see and connect
with these profound, simpletruths wherever they appear,
fostering mutual respect,understanding based on shared
foundational values, even amidsttheological differences.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's really something
to see how this source,
starting from a specificChristian text but framed
through the lens of anotherwisdom tradition like the Tao Te
Ching, arrives at these broad,almost universal themes that
connect with so many others.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That's the heart of
it.
I think Discovering theseshared threads, showing how that
internal renewal we talkedabout the renewal can actually
lead to outward connection andunderstanding.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So we've really taken
a journey through chapter 70,
haven't we, from its coreparadoxes about divine
communication and hidden worth,explored that practical MAP for
personal renewal, mindset, aim,practice?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Rounded in the
Trinity.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, and then
expanded outwards to see how the
source suggests these truthsresonate across major world
religions, empowering us.
You listening to respond todivision with understanding.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, it's presenting
a vision where deep faith
doesn't lead to isolation, butactually to a greater capacity
for connection.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And this whole
exploration seems to bring us
back to a really powerful,simple idea that the source
itself uses near the end.
It's a quote often attributedto Thomas Aquinas Truth cannot
contradict truth.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It won't clash with
another truth, regardless where
it comes from.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And perhaps that's
the final thought for you
listening right now, this sourceencourages looking for those
places where truth does align,even when the language or the
tradition seems different on thesurface.
In a world that often feels sofractured, so complex, could
exploring where these simple,profound truths about humility,
about divine purpose, aboutinner value, resilience, could
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exploring where they show up inyour own life, in your
interactions, maybe be apowerful step towards greater
understanding, both inwardly foryourself and outwardly with
others.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's definitely
something worth reflecting on.