May 18, 2025 • 9 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm ready so I had a conversation with the blue belt
after we rolled yesterday, okay,and I shared a piece of
feedback for him.
That is something that Ilearned from a great teacher
many years ago and I actuallywanted to run it by you and get
(00:46):
your take on this Intriguing.
Let's go.
Let me set the context.
So, um, you know I coach alittle bit.
Um, this guy is a like a reallygood blue belt, lovely fella I
won't mention his name, he knowswho he is, but, um, big guy,
right, it's probably, I don'tknow, he's probably 100 kilos,
105, something like that.
Right, big, has a hard timefinding people that he can go
hard with, right.
(01:07):
And so we've established like,yeah, you can go as hard as you
want with me.
Um, and so I know that when,when we get to train, when I'm,
you know, coaching him or at thesame class, that he's going to
want to roll with me yes and soit doesn't happen often.
And I finished the class, wewrapped it up and then like, hey
, do you want to do an extraround?
And he's like.
And he, as I was like saying tohim, he's like yes, you know,
(01:28):
and I was like fuck it.
So we did a round.
It was great, Super strong guy,you know, good, like good jits,
coming along.
He, I passed his guard and then, you know, had him in side
control for a bit and theneventually armbarred him Right
Right.
Now, six-minute round.
There's one minute 30 secondsleft on the clock.
(01:48):
We come up from the tap, coolreset.
And sorry, we don't get up.
He says to me what do I need todo there, Like that armbar, like
what should I have done?
Right, Right, Very reasonablequestion, Fair.
So I'm like, oh well, you know,it's me bringing the leg over
the head.
That's a real problem.
(02:09):
So if you could be looking fora way to not let that, you know
blah, blah, blah.
And so you know, kind of.
And he's like, oh yeah, cool,and so let's just have a look at
that.
And fucking did a littlepush-pull and then it was over
and it got me thinking.
I was like, man, like that sixminutes that we get is Like like
(02:34):
you need to treasure that.
It's precious Right, Especiallygiven the context.
Yes, you don't get to see meoften, Big guy, Go hard on me.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Here we are, let's do it yes.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And I said, while I think your question about
defending the armbar is a greatthing to ask, I don't think you
should be doing that in themiddle of us doing the thing.
Agreed, I'm like you shouldjust roll with me for six
minutes.
You should have just got up andlike, okay, you unbarred me,
I'm going to fucking get it back.
I'm going to fucking whatever.
Go hard for the next 90 secondsand then let's have the
(03:03):
conversation.
Agreed, okay?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So the question is is that theright approach?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, but then I thought, well, you know, maybe,
maybe, and that's my approach.
But then I thought, well, maybethat really cemented, like
maybe I try an armbar him nexttime and it's really cemented
for him, the defense on thearmbar, Maybe now, because he
did ask me immediately followingthe event maybe that's like
really solidified for him.
(03:27):
So I was like, oh, I don'tactually know.
Then Maybe your approach wasgreat as well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
What's your take?
Okay, so my take on that Ibelieve there is actually some
research that shows that theimmediacy of the feedback is is
important to the learning right.
So, as soon as you can correcta mistake, that that then really
gets it in the system potentmoment.
Yeah, that's when you're mostreceptive because you'd like
(03:55):
what?
Come, come on, solve my problem.
But here's also, uh, the otherside of that is learning and
doing are not.
Even though gee Souders mightdisagree with me, the learning
and the doing are not the same.
Like you shouldn't be learningwhen you're executing.
There should be no thinking.
Like in the moment of execution, it should just be no thought.
(04:15):
They're separate processes.
Yeah, they are separateprocesses.
So, as long as it's, maybethat's the conversation you've
got to have with your man.
He's like no, when we'rerolling, we're rolling.
I'm not teaching you at thispoint.
The teaching is me beating thefuck out of you, bro.
Like you, you get in thislesson, save your questions for
after.
And because there is only alimited amount of time and in
(04:37):
that time you've got to work.
So, yeah, for me it's liketrying to give someone feedback
while they're squatting.
That's distracting, that's notgood, you know, even though it's
obviously that's morerudimentary than the complexity
of rolling Same kind of scenarioyeah, you've got to.
(05:00):
In the moment of doing you needto be focusing on.
There's so many variables thatwhen you start bringing in
questions and feedback, it just.
I personally believe that thatis not the time to learn
Immediately.
Post-training is money, but Ibelieve that execution and
learning, even though theyinform each other, it should not
be done at the same time.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, that's exactly my thinking and that brings me
to.
So that was the lesson, therule that I learned, right, so
it was from Ido Portal.
He mentioned this at a movementcamp years ago and he actually
got it from.
I thought I'd share thisbecause it's quite fascinating
John Cage's top 10 rules forstudents.
(05:40):
Okay, right now, I didn't knowat the time who john cage was,
but he was an artist,philosopher and an influential
composer of the 20th century.
Wow, he's credited for writinga set of rules for creativity
purposes.
Cool.
So he's got these 10 rules, um,and I thought, okay, so you'll
see, you'll hear the rule thatis relevant to it.
But I thought let me just readthem all, because there's some
fucking cool ones in here, Somegems.
(06:01):
Rule one find a place you trustand then try trusting it for a
while.
Rule two general duties as astudent pull everything out of
your teacher.
Pull everything out of yourfellow students.
Rule three general duties as ateacher pull everything out of
your students students.
Rule three general duties as ateacher pull everything out of
your students.
Rule four consider everythingan experiment.
(06:23):
Rule five be self-disciplined.
This means finding someone wiseor smart and choosing to follow
them.
To be disciplined is to followin a good way.
To be self-disciplined is tofollow in a better way.
Rule six nothing is a mistake.
There is no win and no fail.
There is only make.
Rule seven the only rule iswork.
(06:45):
If you work, it will lead tosomething.
It is the people who do all thework all the time who
eventually catches on to things.
That's pretty cool, Nice.
Rule eight do not try to createand analyze at the same time.
They are different processes,which is exactly what I said to
old mate and what you just said.
Rule nine be happy whenever youcan manage it.
(07:06):
Enjoy yourself.
It is lighter than you think.
Rule 10, quote we are breakingall the rules, even our own
rules.
And how do we know that?
By leaving plenty of room for Xqualities.
That's a quote from John Cage,Right?
Oh, helpful hints added to thebottom of that.
Always be around, come or go toeverything.
(07:26):
Always go to classes, readeverything you can get your
hands on, Look at moviescarefully and often save
everything.
It may come in handy later.
Nice, that's a pretty fuckingcool rules.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, it's great.
I think there's a lot to betaken from that for life in
general.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I like, I like that.
You know there's.
There's a lot in that.
Actually that speaks to whatwe've passed on, how we've
responded in a lot of our Q&As,but that one find a place you
can trust and try trusting itfor a while.
Yeah Right, it's like just findit seems okay, have faith,
stick with it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, the hardest thing for all of this is the
time it takes to cultivateanything, whether it's a skill,
a relationship, a physicalquality.
It's our ability to stay in it,even when the outcomes are not
obvious.
You know, there's a gestationphase in there yeah, so I mean
(08:16):
off that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I guess, like you know, say we're talking about
that scenario that I had with mymate.
There is something, there's asacrifice, you're always
sacrificing something.
So for him to stop the roll andask me the technical question
he sacrificed whatever couldhave been experienced in the
rest of the role.
Yes, perhaps what he gained wasmore valuable than that.
(08:38):
Perhaps, perhaps right.
But also, had he have justcontinued rolling, there was
something to be gained from that, but he might've sacrificed the
ability to learn the bit oftechnique that he really needed.
True, so there it is.
That that's nice, that's a goodlesson hey, fam, get your hands
on these bulletproof t-shirts.
You can get them atfanwarecomau.
Bunch of colors, you getdiscount if you get multiple.
(09:00):
Rep the tribe.
We'll see you somewhere, peaceyou.
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm ready so I had a conversation with the blue belt
after we rolled yesterday, okay,and I shared a piece of
feedback for him.
That is something that Ilearned from a great teacher
many years ago and I actuallywanted to run it by you and get
(00:46):
your take on this Intriguing.
Let's go.
Let me set the context.
So, um, you know I coach alittle bit.
Um, this guy is a like a reallygood blue belt, lovely fella I
won't mention his name, he knowswho he is, but, um, big guy,
right, it's probably, I don'tknow, he's probably 100 kilos,
105, something like that.
Right, big, has a hard timefinding people that he can go
hard with, right.
(01:07):
And so we've established like,yeah, you can go as hard as you
want with me.
Um, and so I know that when,when we get to train, when I'm,
you know, coaching him or at thesame class, that he's going to
want to roll with me yes and soit doesn't happen often.
And I finished the class, wewrapped it up and then like, hey
, do you want to do an extraround?
And he's like.
And he, as I was like saying tohim, he's like yes, you know,
(01:28):
and I was like fuck it.
So we did a round.
It was great, Super strong guy,you know, good, like good jits,
coming along.
He, I passed his guard and then, you know, had him in side
control for a bit and theneventually armbarred him Right
Right.
Now, six-minute round.
There's one minute 30 secondsleft on the clock.
(01:48):
We come up from the tap, coolreset.
And sorry, we don't get up.
He says to me what do I need todo there, Like that armbar, like
what should I have done?
Right, Right, Very reasonablequestion, Fair.
So I'm like, oh well, you know,it's me bringing the leg over
the head.
That's a real problem.
(02:09):
So if you could be looking fora way to not let that, you know
blah, blah, blah.
And so you know, kind of.
And he's like, oh yeah, cool,and so let's just have a look at
that.
And fucking did a littlepush-pull and then it was over
and it got me thinking.
I was like, man, like that sixminutes that we get is Like like
(02:34):
you need to treasure that.
It's precious Right, Especiallygiven the context.
Yes, you don't get to see meoften, Big guy, Go hard on me.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Here we are, let's do it yes.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
And I said, while I think your question about
defending the armbar is a greatthing to ask, I don't think you
should be doing that in themiddle of us doing the thing.
Agreed, I'm like you shouldjust roll with me for six
minutes.
You should have just got up andlike, okay, you unbarred me,
I'm going to fucking get it back.
I'm going to fucking whatever.
Go hard for the next 90 secondsand then let's have the
(03:03):
conversation.
Agreed, okay?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah.
So the question is is that theright approach?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, but then I thought, well, you know, maybe,
maybe, and that's my approach.
But then I thought, well, maybethat really cemented, like
maybe I try an armbar him nexttime and it's really cemented
for him, the defense on thearmbar, Maybe now, because he
did ask me immediately followingthe event maybe that's like
really solidified for him.
(03:27):
So I was like, oh, I don'tactually know.
Then Maybe your approach wasgreat as well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
What's your take?
Okay, so my take on that Ibelieve there is actually some
research that shows that theimmediacy of the feedback is is
important to the learning right.
So, as soon as you can correcta mistake, that that then really
gets it in the system potentmoment.
Yeah, that's when you're mostreceptive because you'd like
(03:55):
what?
Come, come on, solve my problem.
But here's also, uh, the otherside of that is learning and
doing are not.
Even though gee Souders mightdisagree with me, the learning
and the doing are not the same.
Like you shouldn't be learningwhen you're executing.
There should be no thinking.
Like in the moment of execution, it should just be no thought.
(04:15):
They're separate processes.
Yeah, they are separateprocesses.
So, as long as it's, maybethat's the conversation you've
got to have with your man.
He's like no, when we'rerolling, we're rolling.
I'm not teaching you at thispoint.
The teaching is me beating thefuck out of you, bro.
Like you, you get in thislesson, save your questions for
after.
And because there is only alimited amount of time and in
(04:37):
that time you've got to work.
So, yeah, for me it's liketrying to give someone feedback
while they're squatting.
That's distracting, that's notgood, you know, even though it's
obviously that's morerudimentary than the complexity
of rolling Same kind of scenarioyeah, you've got to.
(05:00):
In the moment of doing you needto be focusing on.
There's so many variables thatwhen you start bringing in
questions and feedback, it just.
I personally believe that thatis not the time to learn
Immediately.
Post-training is money, but Ibelieve that execution and
learning, even though theyinform each other, it should not
be done at the same time.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, that's exactly my thinking and that brings me
to.
So that was the lesson, therule that I learned, right, so
it was from Ido Portal.
He mentioned this at a movementcamp years ago and he actually
got it from.
I thought I'd share thisbecause it's quite fascinating
John Cage's top 10 rules forstudents.
(05:40):
Okay, right now, I didn't knowat the time who john cage was,
but he was an artist,philosopher and an influential
composer of the 20th century.
Wow, he's credited for writinga set of rules for creativity
purposes.
Cool.
So he's got these 10 rules, um,and I thought, okay, so you'll
see, you'll hear the rule thatis relevant to it.
But I thought let me just readthem all, because there's some
fucking cool ones in here, Somegems.
(06:01):
Rule one find a place you trustand then try trusting it for a
while.
Rule two general duties as astudent pull everything out of
your teacher.
Pull everything out of yourfellow students.
Rule three general duties as ateacher pull everything out of
your students students.
Rule three general duties as ateacher pull everything out of
your students.
Rule four consider everythingan experiment.
(06:23):
Rule five be self-disciplined.
This means finding someone wiseor smart and choosing to follow
them.
To be disciplined is to followin a good way.
To be self-disciplined is tofollow in a better way.
Rule six nothing is a mistake.
There is no win and no fail.
There is only make.
Rule seven the only rule iswork.
(06:45):
If you work, it will lead tosomething.
It is the people who do all thework all the time who
eventually catches on to things.
That's pretty cool, Nice.
Rule eight do not try to createand analyze at the same time.
They are different processes,which is exactly what I said to
old mate and what you just said.
Rule nine be happy whenever youcan manage it.
(07:06):
Enjoy yourself.
It is lighter than you think.
Rule 10, quote we are breakingall the rules, even our own
rules.
And how do we know that?
By leaving plenty of room for Xqualities.
That's a quote from John Cage,Right?
Oh, helpful hints added to thebottom of that.
Always be around, come or go toeverything.
(07:26):
Always go to classes, readeverything you can get your
hands on, Look at moviescarefully and often save
everything.
It may come in handy later.
Nice, that's a pretty fuckingcool rules.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, it's great.
I think there's a lot to betaken from that for life in
general.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I like, I like that.
You know there's.
There's a lot in that.
Actually that speaks to whatwe've passed on, how we've
responded in a lot of our Q&As,but that one find a place you
can trust and try trusting itfor a while.
Yeah Right, it's like just findit seems okay, have faith,
stick with it.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah, the hardest thing for all of this is the
time it takes to cultivateanything, whether it's a skill,
a relationship, a physicalquality.
It's our ability to stay in it,even when the outcomes are not
obvious.
You know, there's a gestationphase in there yeah, so I mean
(08:16):
off that.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I guess, like you know, say we're talking about
that scenario that I had with mymate.
There is something, there's asacrifice, you're always
sacrificing something.
So for him to stop the roll andask me the technical question
he sacrificed whatever couldhave been experienced in the
rest of the role.
Yes, perhaps what he gained wasmore valuable than that.
(08:38):
Perhaps, perhaps right.
But also, had he have justcontinued rolling, there was
something to be gained from that, but he might've sacrificed the
ability to learn the bit oftechnique that he really needed.
True, so there it is.
That that's nice, that's a goodlesson hey, fam, get your hands
on these bulletproof t-shirts.
You can get them atfanwarecomau.
Bunch of colors, you getdiscount if you get multiple.
(09:00):
Rep the tribe.
We'll see you somewhere, peaceyou.
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