September 4, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof
for Bijou podcast.
We are blessed to have thepresence of our good friend, Mr
Will Ghetto, otherwise known asAKA, will Budgie, aka many
aliases and, yeah, stoked tohave Will on here, and he just
(00:52):
mentioned something before,which is an unusual fact.
What's that?
He had actually never met us inperson together, never.
He had met us individually.
And yeah, man, it's aphenomenon, it's huge huge,
honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, two heads in the same room, same time crazy
the sum is greater than thetotal of its parts, or some shit
.
Is that what they say?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
something like that.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a sitcombasically will buzzy you know
funny story before we uh getcooking on what we came to talk
about today that uh.
So my insta handle has beenmispronounced so many times.
It's just supposed to be wilburg right because will grant
right.
Um, but I was doing a podcastwith one of the movement guys
from melbourne feyon and heopened it up with will baggy,
(01:39):
which is kind of stuck all aboutyour attire.
Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn'tback it yeah, it was more like I
was selling some stuff on thecorner of a street, but it was
like it attracted some unneededattention.
But yeah, I like buzzy it couldbe.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I like that too .
Yeah, it has a bit of a comesout feel to it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah yeah, exactly like I've definitely wrestled in
dagger stuff before but, uh,the main thing we're going to
talk about today, folks, is the,the jujitsu getaway, the
jujitsu getaway, the jujitsucamp and what this does for
people, because I've experiencedsimilar experiences with a
(02:13):
jujitsu camp for a tournamentand the training and everything.
But let's talk a little bitabout your experience, because
you are a gym owner but you'vealso run events before, so tell
us about that, will.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, so essentially, the event that we're cooking up
at the moment is called Fightand Flow.
The idea has stemmed off whatwe're already running currently
Gains in the Ghetto.
So Gains is a trainingintensive that we do.
We've done weekend versions andinternationals overseas for a
week or so.
The idea is that you gettogether, you have your expert
(02:47):
coaches.
They run through workshop stylethings over the weekend.
There's a lot of training, alot of learning and, um, just
being around people that aretraining at that level too,
obviously, um, and so I've beenthinking the last little while,
like I love jiu-jitsu.
I've been training it for, youknow, best part of half a decade
now, plus um I notice you'vegot the purple stripe on your
tracksuit pants.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Everything I own now has a shade of purple.
Purple beanie, very niceCongrats, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
In case anyone watching at home, I'm a purple
belt now.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
No big deal, guys.
I don't care about the belts.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I'm not a system guy, but it is nice it's
framed on my wall.
But yeah, framed on my wall, um, but yeah.
So I've been like a lot of thethe chat around the gym, right,
is people's bodies not keepingup, and like there's more gen
pop athletes and there areathletes that want to compete
regularly and do well in thatsense, and so we've been trying
(03:39):
to figure out how we puttogether an event that obviously
speaks to both people, andFight and Flow is kind of that
event.
So we're looking at setting upa weekend where we are setting
up a weekend where there's, youknow, up to six hours on the mat
today and then we're going tointegrate some breath work, some
mobility training and somestrength training and tie that
(04:01):
all together so people can learnhow to look after their body
better, to be on the mats more,and that's the biggest thing,
right, like it's not necessarilygoing to be like a fight camp
where it's, you know, we'rehoning in on specific things to
target on specific people.
It's more broadening people'sbase knowledge of all matters
(04:22):
that come into combat fighting,in this particular case,
jiu-jitsu, yeah, and making suretheir body's mobile enough,
making sure their recovery isgood enough, making sure they
can breathe through a wholeround without getting tanked,
and then adding in thatadditional strength training
that's going to help you combatanother human body.
So that's basically the nutsand bolts of the event is it's a
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training intensive.
We go away, away.
We've got black belts coming into teach.
We've got black belts inmovement that are going to come
in and teach, um, strengthmobility.
I'll be running a little bit ofbreath stuff because I kind of
fall like purple belt around allof those demographics, sure, um
, but yeah, it's.
It's basically tying it all inhaving a really big weekend of
training and recovery and makingsure that people can broaden
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their knowledge on how they canlook after themselves better, to
stay on the mats longer Nice,and so Joe yourself, you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I remember a long time ago actually seeing some
clips of you doing a man manintensive, with some beautiful
photos of some training, someoutdoor training, like on a dock
.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Of the dudes squatting each other.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Dude it was.
I felt like I felt likeInspiring.
I felt hair stand up on theback of outdoor training like on
a dock.
Oh, the dudes squatting eachother Dude it was.
I felt like I felt likeInspiring.
I felt hairs stand up on theback of my hand like that's
testosterone right there.
Yeah, that was that's mantraining, that was pretty epic.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That actual clip you're talking about wasn't.
That was a business thing, ohokay, it was like with our
business coach.
And he's like Joey, can you runthe workout on one of the
mornings?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But it was kind of part of a camp or a retreat or
something.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well it was a retreat for all the guys in the
business, but they're all gymowners, oh right, and so then
you know, so it kind of looked.
It was like you know, they'reall like CrossFit gym owners, so
it was a bunch of elite humans,fit people, and then it was
(06:08):
like one of the sickest workoutsI've ever run.
I was like five minute amrap asmany repetitions of a partner
squat as you can accumulate, soyou go, as many as you can then
swap, and what the the squat wasfine is actually when you got
to be on someone's shouldersyeah, because their shoulders
are pushing into you.
Yeah, it really like it cookedsome elite units and I was like
we're onto something here.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, we're onto something there.
I think you ran that at theevent.
We did as well the man up eventin the Southern Highlands.
We did that, didn't we?
Yeah, we did the carry andsquats.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, but I had to be like hey, if you don't want to
do the squats, because noteveryone.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It wasn't as physical .
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You don't want to buckle a fucking ACL or some
shit.
No, but yeah, will and I haverun a couple of events together,
four men specifically Right andincorporating all of the bits
right, grappling and strengthand breath work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think there's a huge value to the intensive
aspect, like the kind of deepdive of it.
Because I mean, we've talkedbefore about how doing a
jiu-jitsu seminar like where youspend two hours with a world
champion, them showing you theirgame, doesn't necessarily
translate.
But the cool thing whichhappens with whether it be like
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the JB's camp like I rememberthat was like when I came to the
island and did that like it'sthe conversations around the
training, that like it's theconversations around the
training, like yes, the trainingis awesome and you learn a
bunch, but then you spend timeand you're like, wow, I've got a
lot in common with this otherperson who you know lives on the
other side of the map, and nowwe're kind of jamming out and
we're sharing problems and thenthat feeds into the next session
(07:38):
and there's this beautifulcontinuation when you do more
than just one session or one daythat by the end of it you've
created these, like these bonds.
Yeah, the group is a vibe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
To the energy and it just makes the learning better
too.
Like we find a lot that youknow no one's going to get their
first one arm handstand on agames in the ghetto event Right
Like very rarely.
But what someone can get is,like the fundamentals of what
they are missing with the onlinetraining or being the only
person in their gym that's doingit and stuff like that.
So the aim for Fight Flow isYou're not going to learn the
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greatest takedown technique orthe greatest leg lock
entanglement ever this weekend,but what you will learn are the
fundamentals that lead up tobeing able to bridge into that
more, if that makes sense.
For sure, your capacity tolearn elevates because of the
environment you're in, yes, andit's the little take-homes that
you're like.
Oh yeah, I can add thatstraight in, or I can put this
in my warm-up so that I'm morecomfortable in my knee so I can
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enter a leg entanglement withmore confidence.
Stuff like that.
You know.
It's not like you're going tocome away with this gold nugget
of like I'm the best jujitsuathlete on the planet.
It's more like oh, I'm more ofa complete package now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I think that idea of a like a more complete
approach is I mean, that's whatit's all about, right.
I mean that's what it's allabout right.
(09:09):
I mean we all fundamentallyagree on that because we have
our, I guess, pt and kind of S&Cbackgrounds in that way that we
know you need to do a degree ofmobility and you need to
stretch and you need to strengthtrain and you should have a
proper warmup and you knowbreath work makes a difference
for recovery.
But it's just there's so that'sso many for the regular folks,
that's so many different fieldsof understanding that having
someone bring it together foryou, I think that's this huge
value in that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and I think we did a little bit of it when Joey
and I did this event in theSouthern Highlands and it's like
people hear breath work and youautomatically just sit like
think sorry, quiet room, sittingdown, eyes closed, like taking
that space and doing somebreathing right, like this stuff
that we're going to do is goingto be live during the rounds.
Right you know, like we'reblocking noses, we're taping
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mouths, we're going to be doingbreath holds at certain times
while we're training to try andintensify certain effects, right
, and it's learning how to getthe body to adapt during those
things.
That then gives you a biggertank for down the track.
How interesting, um, so it's.
Yeah, it's not that classicalbreath work, like you know in
for three, out for three kind ofvibe.
It's like all right, everyone'sgonna tape their mouth for this
(10:04):
round nasal breathing.
Only let's see how we cancontrol our breath.
I'm feeling gassed already yeah, she's punishing.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You had us do a.
Uh, we did a little circuit.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We had to haul a mouthful of water in our mouth
yeah, and if you didn't have anywater in your mouth at the end
of it, we had to do it againyeah, it was horrible and we did
like four rounds or somethingyou just got to keep them out,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So you can't open your mouth, right?
Yeah you just got this dankfucking water in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Just lukewarm water is this?
Is this like the tiktokchallenges where, like you,
gotta slap each other in theface?
I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh look, joe's gonna pretend like he's never seen
Tiff what's this platform youguys are wasting your time on?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
no?
No, it's usually a couple'sthing, but it's like you each
have, oh, you guys shared itwith each other.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's nice.
Well, actually, bill and I weredoing it the other day, the
rock and Kevin Hart they did it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It I was the rock.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What was funny is this woman slapped the shit out
of her husband.
He didn't lose the water, butbecause she found it so funny,
she just spat the water out,she's like oh, this is too good.
Anyway, it was enjoyable.
You ran an event recently downin Melbourne, right, I did do
our mobility seminar, and thething which is good about that
(11:14):
is everybody gets a sheet, andso you actually Everyone gets a
sheet, and so you actuallyEveryone gets a sheet.
Yeah, so you go through, like,do the assess?
No, no, no.
But I'm saying that, like it'sone of those things that you
usually go to a seminar and it'slike how's this applicable to
me?
Yeah, and that's the thing thatI find annoying.
I go to a seminar and then Iwalk away and I'm like that was
(11:39):
so one size fits all.
It's really on you to work hardto pull out the nuggets.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it's hard with a big group too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
as a practitioner, we had about 30 people.
It was meant to be a bitsmaller, but a few more people
showed up and I think thedifference on that one is
everybody came with.
Oh, this is something I want towork on.
And it took a bit longer becauseI make sure that I want
everyone to go away with atleast one really helpful thing,
and so I will make extra timethere, but the whole idea is to
(12:06):
cultivate something which helpsthat person go right.
This is my approach now.
Well, I have a little toolkit.
I'm going to start working withthis Because, for the most part
, like as much as you can do alot of different things when you
actually have an expert look atyou and give you feedback,
makes huge difference yeah andyou would have felt that your
own self when you've done you.
You know your own experiences atmovement camps and because
(12:29):
we've also not, I guess betweenus not just been the coaches,
we've been coached and felt thatdifference right for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, I think it's um , I think it's largely more like
it's all.
Yeah, it's like kind of likeyou touched on with the, the
conversations around thetraining, but it's the, it's all
the other shit, the inspirationthat comes from it, maybe, um,
certain uh practices you observewithin the way they deliver
information, or little bits ofcoaching you get.
(12:57):
That's not what's on the agenda, but you know, or you see
someone else getting coached.
Yeah, like, all that shitbecomes so valuable, doesn't it?
It pays dividends.
This is where I think like, um,this is where I I really don't
have a problem paying money tobe in the room with a person
that I admire.
That's at a high level, even ifthe material of whatever
they're teaching isn'tparticularly relevant to me or
(13:19):
you're familiar or yeah, yeah,it's like it's, because it's all
the other shit that you'rethere for.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, picking up on when it's it's the whole
community aspect too.
Right like it's easy to getlost in, especially jiu-jitsu,
like I'm I'm new to the scenewith the almost like tribalism
of like different gyms.
Right like there's a lot ofturf wars that go on and it's
you're not new to the scene.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now you're purple belt, bro.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, I mean, you were fucking in there, you're
right, thank you, boys, I neededthat decade five years, which
is no time at all, but half adecade massive continue and also
purple of course.
Yeah, that's right, we'll see.
We'll see continue um.
Where was I going with that?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
you just so I just started jiu-jitsu, so I just
started anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But yeah, so yeah so like, and there is a bit of it
in like the movement side ofthings.
But it's more the fitnessindustry, where there's, like
you know, fitness, uh, movementversus crossfit, versus power
lifting, right like.
There's a little bit of like ohyou know, we're better than you
, and like no one says itdirectly, but everyone has that
kind of?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
well, no, I think people do.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I think people do say it directly, I just wanted to
be a little bit neutral in thepotty.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know this is recorded right that's all we're
here for I don't know whatyou're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
We're polarizing.
I am you do what you like,perfect, um, but in in the
martial arts community, it's alot more prevalent.
There's a lot more like peoplewill frown upon people going to
different gyms and training atdifferent places some gyms,
depending on the gym but it'sdefinitely a lot more obvious.
as someone that didn't grow upwith it, I sort of see it, and
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it's like people will becautious of what gyms they go
and train to so as not to pissanyone off.
But this whole community aspectis what's great about it.
Like it's it's not under abanner of a certain teacher or
anything like that, it's amovement gym hosting some sick
jiu-jitsu coaches that are goingto be cross-referencing all of
the powerful tools that make youa good athlete, not just on the
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mats but in general.
Right, and that's what I thinkis going to be.
The best part is like thecommunity element of people
getting together, sharingdifferent things.
We do this at our gym, you dothis at your gym.
We can integrate all this kindof stuff back at our home base
and like that's the beauty Likeyou get all these little like
cheat sheets almost from eachperson that you meet that
weekend.
Everyone gets a sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No sheet on this one oh okay, oh fuck, maybe we'll do
a digital PDF.
Jt can bring some sheets, bro,are you?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
going to be there.
I'm hard copy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I will be there, ladies and gentlemen, yeah,
special announcement JT's comingto headline the mobility and
the strength components of Fight.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Flow, bringing that bulletproof to the Fight Flow,
which I'm excited about.
So, yeah, man, I mean when youtalked about it I was like fuck,
that sounds great.
I mean it's very much.
You know what you are doingpersonally and what you're
trying to do with the campitself is so in line with what
we're about in terms of helpinggrapplers have the better
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movement and also the longevity.
So, yeah, stoked to be downthere and be amongst it and also
get the chance to just hang outon the mats, roll with folks,
experience the breath, work.
Like it will be nice to alsonot just lead some sessions but
participate too.
That would be fucking great.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I'll have been waiting almost three years to
get my next shot around with youas well, so I'm very excited.
Bit of context, folks.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The first time, Will and I rolled.
He tried to First and only time.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
First and only time.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Snap me down and jump guillotine me.
In the first 15 seconds I waslike what are you doing, bro?
Can we just reverse that?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just start a little bit, a little bit of editing
here.
When Jamie gets a chance to runit back, jack, we're just going
to rewind that back and yousaid try, I believe I got there,
but you were just very, verystrong and shucked it off.
I think I set it out quite well.
I think I was only afour-stripe white belt at the
(17:06):
time.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know, when you see someone go to shake hands,
you're actually a blue belt.
That's funny.
You know when someone goes toshake hands and the person just
goes and there's usually a fistbump there, maybe there's a bit
of a slap.
It's like slap and jump andsnap.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We grazed knuckles as I went.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You were the comes out, you were the Kevin Holland
Bro none of that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There was no comes up from this man.
It was just rookie energy andit's fun.
I like that about Will becausehe also tried to heel hook me
really quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So I was like he's like yeah, bro, for context, I
don't know legs.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He was like, oh, if you can come down and show us
some leg locks, try to outsideheel hook me like very fast.
I was like what are you doing?
First of all, it was an anklelock.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It was a good time.
It was a good time.
It was a grip and rip.
I don't know what the fuck Iwas doing.
I was squeezing as hard as Icould, I mean does the mosquito
bowl?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
of the elephant?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
No you swing the trunk and you just fucking move
on.
But that said, also got to rollwith your coaching.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Adam's my coach.
Yeah, so he's been doing like.
I've been doing a one-on-onewith him on average, maybe once
a week for, like most of thetime I've been doing.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
He's super handy.
Had a great role with him, likewas very back and forth and
great mover.
Yeah, yeah, he's excellent.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He's super athletic, super calm and he's one of those
black belts too, that's likereally good at explaining almost
the entirety of a sequence andhow it works fundamentally and
just always happens to leave out, like that key component of
defense that leaves the lowerbelt stranded as fuck when he
gets to a certain point yeah, soyou do it to me and I will
defeat it, yeah yeah, so he'sreally good at that.
(18:43):
And then he's just like I can'tteach you everything just yet,
bro, you know, but he's uh, he'slike, really, mr miyagi energy
nice, yeah, yeah, lovely guy.
Sick coach, and I think part ofpart of why I am you still a
garage yeah, yeah, I'm trying atgarage as well yeah, yeah sick
nice yeah, try and do once aweek down there with ryan and
the crew there and again ryan'sum, one of the other coaches
that uh hosting that weekend.
(19:03):
We'll be doing a lot of thejiu-jitsu stuff at garage.
Fuck yeah, um, and he's justlike anyone that's made.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
He's the nicest guy in jiu-jitsu the nicest guy
probably in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah yeah, probably, like he's just such a nice dude
always gives everyone a time ofthe day and just so
knowledgeable like knows all thetechniques back the front,
inside out adapt it for a heavybody, adapt it for a smaller
body, like you guys wouldunderstand.
Yeah, um, and he's just.
Yeah, he's very much about likebuilding that holistic element
of it as well.
Like he gets the warm-ups arereally great.
(19:32):
He's got the bulletproofposters on the wall at the gym
he right.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean, he's got an S&C background.
He always runs a great session.
I always love going down thereand training there, whether it
be the comm class or even justComm class, is really good.
Yeah, he just structures itwell and he's able to keep
everybody on point, and I reallylike that.
He doesn't over-explain, he'slike this is what we're doing,
right, go to work, and that'sfor me, at least from my
perspective.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, it's almost too like one of the big things I've
found with him teaching.
I don't have a huge experienceof being at like multiple
different gyms, but I've watcheda lot and everything like that,
but there's no, there's neverreally any questions.
You know, after a techniquelike he has a, he's got a really
good way of teaching whereeverything already makes sense
and there's not really any likegray area of certain things.
(20:15):
It's like here's entry one, twoand three here's how we go from
point a to point b to point cand just he just really manages
that process really well.
There's rarely anyone going, oh, that doesn't make sense.
Yeah, so it's um, and I thinkthat's probably a secret gift as
a coach doing jiu-jitsu, um,like it's fucking hard to do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, I mean, he's been doing it a long time too.
I think that's the other thing,and running a successful gym in
and of itself is its ownchallenge.
So he's done a great job withthat and been able to, like,
help, raise people on so manylevels, whether they'd be just
everyday folks or people tryingto compete as well.
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Speaker 2 (22:09):
training wise, I've been doing like the whole
movement kind of vibe for maybethe best part of a decade now,
right, um, yeah, actually Ithink ghetto turns 10 this year,
so it'll be 10 years at leastthat I've been sort of in that,
congrats.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Does that include up in the roof cavity?
Yeah, yeah, the original yogaclasses.
And yeah, right on.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So went full spectrum , went full yogi, into like
movement, into handstands, andthen sort of landed somewhere in
a mongrel breed in the middleof it all, perfect, um.
But yeah, I think the thingthat always intrigued me about
jujitsu and um we were workingout of you guys know grant
barlow and jen down in, um,they've got synergy method now,
yeah, um so we were working outof um, grant and jen's gym in
(22:53):
wulingong and they would docasual mats right.
Um and grant was like you've gotto come and try it out.
Like he goes, you're flexible,you're strong, like you'll
really love it.
And he wasn't wrong, like it'shonestly For people that move a
lot and like at the time I wasdoing a lot of that locomotion
stuff as well, it's just itcomplements it so well and I was
basically just addictedstraight away.
(23:15):
And so when we moved into ourbigger space, you know,
selfishly, because I didn't havethe time to get to the classes
at that stage, I think Grant andJen only maybe had one or two
things that they were running aweek and selfishly I was like,
well, I'll put a class or two onat Ghetto that I can go to,
grant can come in and teach andwe can give it to our members as
well.
(23:35):
Nice.
And then we kind of just grewlike a little community.
At first it was like two orthree, then there was like five,
then there was 10 people at thegym doing it and it kind of
just like started growing fromthere, growing from there.
And then Grant and Jen moved totheir new facility and started
doing classes and everything.
So we stopped at ghetto butwe're training there, um, a
majority of the time, um, butyeah, just tied in really well
(23:56):
and it's.
It's one of those things that Ifind.
I'm not necessarily great atjujitsu Well, I'm not great at
all at jujitsu but I'm veryaware of my body and like I can
twist, turn, bend, touch my toes, split all those things right.
Like I'm aware and I've gotstrength in that range so I can
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survive a lot of positionalforeplay before things get
dangerous and get myself out ofit, um, which I found to be
somewhat of a superpower, likegoing through things, because
like you can get beat up prettybad by people in jujitsu just
for fun, um, and if you're juststrong enough in the right areas
and sort of spatially awareenough of what's happening, you
can defend quite well and thenobviously down the track you
(24:38):
learn to attack.
I haven't quite reached thatpoint in my jujitsu path just
yet, but I'll try.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I think you can attack.
I think you're probably talkingdown your jujitsu here.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Talking up the mobility, because that's what
we're trying to sell.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You need mobility.
Bro, you are a slippery gypsy.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I was trying to get you and I was like I can't hold
on to this guy, it's kind ofsimilar with people that have a
football background.
Right they?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
play rugby league or union, they come to jujitsu.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And they're not necessarily good at the
technique itself, but theyunderstand the concept of body
leverage and how to.
Yeah, exactly right.
And if you can make thatdifficult for someone, even
though eventually the guy withthe you know superior knowledge
and technique system will winout there are occasions where
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you can hold it up long enoughor make them swap to something
else because you've put upenough resistance in those areas
.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think that's something that's really
important for people to learn,especially when coming into it.
Like you know, jujitsu ishaving an absolute moment at the
moment, with like mid thirtiesguys, you know, just jumping on
the bandwagon and getting intoit, but their bodies are getting
smashed and all these things.
And it's like if you've got thetools you can, you can really
like have a good hard run at it.
And you know as much as it is aphysically demanding craft,
(25:55):
like it's also so great to likejust blow off some steam and you
know, give that mental sort ofuh, um, what's the word?
Download that?
You know you just let all thatshit go and it's, it's, it's so
great for that yeah, 100, soit's, it's yeah%.
Yeah, it's super cool, but offtopic a little there, where I
(26:15):
was going with the jiu-jitsustuff with the journey of it all
.
So Adam was really heavy in sortof like Grant and Jen set up at
Synergy and everything likethat.
He was one of their firstteachers there and he was just
really good at systemizingthings for people like myself
with a bit of add or adhd thekids call it these days sure, um
(26:35):
, you know, and sort of likepainting the picture of like how
to actually go about yourbusiness.
Because, sure, when you look atit, it's like what the fuck's
even happening here?
Like, yeah, you look at it andyou can't see the setting up of
things happening until you startto, you know, be in it.
Um, and adam was really greatat drawing this thing that he
called like your inner, mid andouter circle, and he's like back
(26:57):
control is going to be yourouter circle, right, getting
into that space, and then yourmid control is going to be
solidifying one part of it andthen your inner circle is going
to be looking for the sub, andso he would just go about like,
while he's teaching meone-on-one like going, this is
the only thing you need to focuson today and like really
simplifying and almost dumbingit down.
(27:19):
To that respect and I didn'trealize it at the time, probably
not until recently like whenI've started being able to
string stuff together.
But, like when I said beforethe Mr Miyagi thing, I was like,
oh, this is just him repetition, you know learning what's what
and how to do it.
But now it's like I don't evenhave to think about certain
things because your body justgoes there, because you have
(27:41):
this really simple concept of,like outer, inner, and working
your way to that space and it'sjust like that's a cool concept,
yeah, and it's something thatI've taken into like other
training and coaching as well.
Now is like thinking about allright, the big goal here is
being able to have a positionthat you can default to under
fatigue.
(28:02):
And if you can make that in anyscenario whether it's jujitsu,
whether it's handstands orsomething like that right, like
if you have that position whereit's mindless and you can jump
into it, then you default thereand you can go through the
motions and you can set stuff upwithout really having to export
too much mental or physicaloutput.
And it's always been somethingthat I was like yeah, that's
something that I would lovetaught to people as they start
(28:24):
at ghetto or at garage, whenwe're going in and doing those
things, and it's um, it's areally great concept to to be
able to then start to go.
You know, there's this circlenow, and now we're going to look
at our passing and we're goingto look at backstep in our
passing because that can set upsome North South which can set
up side back, which then sets upyour circle of back Right.
And you know, you start to seethis map of things that link
(28:45):
together and you're like, oh,it's not as complicated as, like
, what I thought, and now I'vegot some take-homes that I can,
like, start to conceptualize andit becomes a bit more tangible.
Yeah and um yeah, that was a big, big, big stepping stone for me
in like the jiu-jitsu journeyof of um, basically not just
pissing in the wind and hopingfor the best.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, um, or hoping I can get you a long way though.
Yeah, when you're strong andflexible.
Yeah, it does.
It does to a certain point.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But then you know you , uh, you need a few little bits
and pieces to help it is goodto learn something every now and
again.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And then you meet someone who's strong and
flexible, who also knows jujitsu, and you're like oh fuck yeah,
exactly right this techniquething.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
There's something to it.
I'm not gonna roll with thisguy anymore.
I like training with this guy.
Training with this guy, yeah Imean it's.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
This is the challenge I mean, I think, the thing that
I wanted to, I guess, express,like you know we're talking
community, right, and you knowJungle Brothers is a strong
community and you know Ghetto isa strong community, and there's
something about spending timetraining with other humans that
(29:47):
creates this.
You know, the shared strugglecreates the camaraderie but, I
think, also creating a uniquesituation.
So it's not often that you geton the ground and crawl around
with someone you know what Imean.
It's not often that you hoistNot often enough, yeah right,
and it's not often that youhoist someone up on your fucking
shoulders and they're trustingyou're not going to drop them
and you trust that they're notgoing to drop you same jujitsu,
(30:08):
like you're trusting they're notgoing to break your arm or
fucking snap your acl orwhatever it might be.
But I, I think the, the thingwhich is unique and cool about
the um, the camp idea, and the,the intensive idea, the
immersion of it, is that it'skind of unreplicatable for that
weekend, like what that weekendis the weather, the food, the
(30:32):
people.
Like you might never get thosepeople together again, but when
I did the JB's camp, I wasrooming with Faraz, and so
here's the thing.
Right, this is crazy.
My childhood best friend, omar,who I grew up with, did some
acting, and when we were kids,faraz got his major break in
(31:00):
like Zero Dark or Pitch.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Dark with Vin Diesel.
Oh, did he yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You've got a bit of a background in film, don't you,
joe?
I do A little background, faraz.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Durrani.
Here's the thing Faraz was notShout out bro.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, shout out.
Thanks for listening, bro.
I didn't expect to see like Ihad seen him back in the days,
cambridge Park, you know,penrith Basketball Stadium.
We all played basketballtogether.
But Omar kind of knew himthrough the acting thing.
Omar was doing some kind ofyoung talent acting shit and
(31:29):
everyone was like yo, faraz isfamous, bro.
He was in a movie with fuckingvin diesel.
He's in there for five minutes.
He gets eaten by aliens in thefirst.
Like you know, he plays thislittle kid more film time than
I've got right.
But what was amazing was likeyears later, as adults, we come
together for this thing and nowwe're roomies, you guys are
rooming.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I thought who's who's someone that can match jt's
energy?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
for us got more energy than me, right?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
no, that guy's I don't believe he's a fucking
performer man.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
That guy's always fucking we had this like little
hand.
We did the handstand session onthe saturday afternoon and you
know it's a big day, it's sortof we'd already everyone's
cooked, yeah, and then it waslike perfect time to do hands go
on fucking throw up, have a gosee what you can do, kind of
thing.
And for us, like pretty shit atall the handstand drills, like
because he can't concentrate andhe's too busy fucking talking
(32:14):
and whatever.
And then he gets there and hedoes a fucking.
He just jumps up onto his hands, catches this wily thing and
then handstand push-up but likebig scorpion, like legs come
over by accident but holds itpresses back.
You know, just like could onlydo it when all the eyes are on
it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, and you know, yeah, yeah, fucking did it, yeah
, amazing yeah, and that'sworkshop magic.
But that's what happens at work, yeah that wouldn't happen in
the gym.
No, that's right but but thefunny thing about it was us
being able to reconnect and hangout like it was like fuck, we
haven't.
Like we haven't seen each othersince we were kids, but now
we're here as adults, kind ofdoing childlike things.
But the cool thing about it wasjust you.
(32:55):
Yeah, man, it creates theseconnections.
I think this is the thing thathas made me like really, you
know, excited for and interestedto be a part of the fight and
flow thing is, I know whoever'sgoing to come is going to.
We're going to get connected ina way that you just won't in
(33:15):
other circumstances, even thoughyou might see someone at an
open mat and that's really cool.
Like you've each had your ownexperiences with camps, I'm sure
, whether it was as a leader oras a participant where you've
just you felt a resonance or aconnection where you're like
this is fucking so good.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, well, I mean you know like yeah yeah, yeah,
at an open mat like you can rockup on a weekend and go check
out a gym and 50% of the peoplewill come over and say, hi,
what's up?
Like welcome, all the rest ofit percent of the people that
are there that you probablywon't interact with at all right
at these things it's like andyou never actually get very deep
with anyone.
Yeah, exactly right.
And if you're only there for anhour a week or whatever it is,
(33:54):
you go in, do the class, youleave.
You know you might get to rollwith.
You know, in a normal class,like 30 of the people that are
there that day and over a yearyou might interact with 20 30
people, tops right over a 12,over a weekend.
You know however many peoplerock up to this event.
You're going to interact withthem one-on-one.
You know two, three, four timesthrough the weekend, right,
(34:15):
like you'll be doing differentdrills with them, different
training.
You'll be chatting at lunch,chatting after classes, swapping
ideas on recovery.
You know, while we go for a swimor whatever it is Like it kind
of forces this social settingthat isn't really um
replicatable replicatableanywhere else, because you're
all there for the same thing andso you have this kind of bond
(34:36):
already that you want to turn upand learn these things.
You want to do better, you wantto be better.
Um, that starts a conversationstraight away.
Um, you know, people will askwhere you're from, what you do,
how long you've been rolling,what color belt you on.
Now I don't feel so shit foryou subbing me earlier.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm not really into belts, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Belts are a construct .
Yeah, they hold you backmentally.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Which I buy into, ready for my brown, for
whoever's listening.
But yeah, I think it's aconcept that I think is
underrated.
Like JB is the same right, it'sa.
It's a concept that I think isunderrated, like even like jb is
the same right, like the beforewe really knew each other that
well.
I loved the vibe of jb and Iloved the crew.
I loved what you guys wereposting and like everything like
(35:19):
that, because you can see thecommunity element of it straight
away and that's what we triedto emulate at ghetto is it's a
community first organization andthat's why it succeeds, because
it's the people, not the placeor the thing.
Right, sure, and AnytimeFitness is never going to have a
soul in it because there's nopeople there doing the things
that we do with our community.
Yeah, and it's one of thosethings that's super special and
(35:40):
that's what we try to take tothese events in like an even
more hyped-up way, is that we'rebroadening those communities,
making it bigger, making it more, um, you know, sort of
accepting to get in and around.
So it's that's what I think islike the real secret sauce in
all this like you go and youhave this experience of learning
that you're also broadeningyour community, broadening, like
(36:03):
the people that you're going tothen continue to grow with down
the track as well.
Right, like the amount ofInstagram DMs that will happen
after this event on like, oh hey, bro, did you try that thing?
Or how did you find your breathwork?
What's your breath score up toAll these things?
Right, it just pumps up allthese conversations with people
that you didn't know before theevent and it's like, yeah,
that's what I think the magic isyeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Well, I'm stoked for it, man,I'm excited to be a part of it
and connect with all the goodfolks and obviously work side by
side with yourself and Ryan andRoxy, and you know just, I
think being able to create acontinuation of sessions to have
that immersive experience islike, yeah, it's powerful, man.
I haven't done that kind ofthing for a little while, so I
think it's going to be great.
(36:52):
I'm looking forward to it.
So, in terms of people gettingon board with this thing,
because it is a local Sydneything, but you are also thinking
to do something international.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yes, as both of you know, I really struggle with
staying on one thing for toolong.
Yeah, so this is going to beour first one and it's going to
be a two-day intensive, so justa Saturday, sunday, but at the
intensive we will announce ourBali event.
So we're going to go to thetropics and spend a week over
there, and it obviously justbecomes more intense every day.
(37:28):
A little rest day in there everynow and then.
And then sort of the concept ofFight Flow was the crossover
between how often jiu-jitsuathletes also like to surf and
how many hobbyist surfers thereare that also do a little bit of
jiu-jitsu.
Jt can't swim.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
There's a knee-deep pool and cannot surf.
That's fine bro.
Actually, he fucking hates thebeach.
Just to clarify.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
We've got big foam boards.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I love the beach, I love to look at it, I love to
admire all the sexy people onthere.
Cocktail, I just eat my fishand chips from the sideline and
that's fine.
You know who you are.
Yeah, I mean, all superheroeshave a nemesis.
Superheroes have a nemesis.
It's like water.
Water, I think.
Yeah, like when you're made ofstone.
You think I'm like bruce willisin um, unbreakable, that's
(38:13):
that's.
You know, every superhero's gota weakness.
I've got it now.
You know, mr glass, try andsink me, but um, but I mean,
yeah, no, the surfing piece Ihave tried.
My old bosses from fitline wereavid surfers and so they would
always get us down to torquay.
That was like their excuse totry and do a business retreat.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
They're like we're gonna teach you guys so this is,
that's exactly what this is forme, and I just want to go do
jiu-jitsu and surf with all myfriends.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They would kind of leave us and they'd be like,
yeah, you guys paddle out, andthey'd be out there and I'd be,
I'd be drowning just to try andget out through the initial
break, to just to get out there.
And I'm bro when you haven't.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
It's the same as a white belt rocking up to an open
mat, right like it is the exactsame experience, except instead
of like waves, you've got gianthumans, and then vice versa.
Yeah, and you're just dealingwith a force that you haven't
dealt with before, and it takesyou by surprise either way.
You're fucking drowning, yeah,exactly like it's so bad and
it's and I think that's whythere's such an overlap, right,
because they're both sports thatyou know a relatively low
(39:11):
barrier to start.
But high skill, high skill, yeah, and it attracts you mentally
as well, I think, like gettingout there and just hitting the
reps in both.
But yeah, so the weekend, youknow, weather depending and
conditions depending, we mighteven get down for a little early
morning surf with everyone.
We might even get down for alittle early morning surf with
everyone, but at the bareminimum, an afternoon swim
getting a salt water.
Sorry, excuse me, but then inBali, because it is a week and
(39:33):
it's so intense, we'll have resttimes and there'll be a chance
to, you know, if you want to doa surf lesson or if you want to
go out and actually just surf.
If you want to lay by the pooland have a margarita and some
fish and chips, you can also dothat.
That lovely, um, but yeah, thethe barley event will be really
sick, um, I'm not going todisclose location just yet.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
No, no I might have jumped the gun there.
I just thought it's uh no, no,definitely not jumped.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's all, it's all but booked it would just be.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think it's just because we have some some good
folks out there who lovebulletproof, who've never
actually had a chance to, um,catch up with myself or joey, or
have the opportunity, or maybethey're interested in this thing
and they're like I don't where,the, where the fuck is
woolengong, yeah, you know whatI mean?
They have no idea, right, andso I think putting it out there
that yeah, it's awesome thatthere'll be a low, there's this
(40:17):
local opportunity, but the factthat maybe international folks
might be able to come along,that's that's super exciting as
well yeah, and that's the.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
that's the one where we can sort of really start to
play with what we can do to.
You know, like um, really breakdown different components, like
the weekend will be a veryintense all-in-one buffet, um,
but the week long we can, youknow, spend time, you know
theming days around, likespecific things that are going
to help for the jiu-jitsu thatwe do that day, and then the
(40:45):
recovery that we do thatafternoon for the next morning,
so on and so forth, so we canreally tie that stuff together
on the week-long event.
You can sink your teeth rightin that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So, folks who are keen for this, I think what
we'll do is, we will set up alink for this app so that people
can go check it out.
But if people are trying tocontact you, mr Will, and
they're trying to get aroundunderstanding what you do,
what's the best way for peopleto get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You can either just hit our Instagram at ghetto
movement or hit me at will atghetto movementcom with an email
.
They're the two easiest ways.
I'm relatively on top of allthe messaging and emails that
come through there, so reach outto us and we can get you in the
right place and get you startedAwesome.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Boss, boss.
Thank you for coming, brother.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
We appreciate you.
Are we on the mats now?
Is that what's happening youwish?
I do?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
We're just going to do it here on the couch right
now.
I mean, it's fucking my job Infront of these guys.
Let's fucking go the cameras on.
It's fucking.
You just see, will through thewindow.
(42:03):
That's the lighting nice.
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another Bulletproof
for Bijou podcast.
We are blessed to have thepresence of our good friend, Mr
Will Ghetto, otherwise known asAKA, will Budgie, aka many
aliases and, yeah, stoked tohave Will on here, and he just
(00:52):
mentioned something before,which is an unusual fact.
What's that?
He had actually never met us inperson together, never.
He had met us individually.
And yeah, man, it's aphenomenon, it's huge huge,
honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Yeah, two heads in the same room, same time crazy
the sum is greater than thetotal of its parts, or some shit
.
Is that what they say?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
something like that.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a sitcombasically will buzzy you know
funny story before we uh getcooking on what we came to talk
about today that uh.
So my insta handle has beenmispronounced so many times.
It's just supposed to be wilburg right because will grant
right.
Um, but I was doing a podcastwith one of the movement guys
from melbourne feyon and heopened it up with will baggy,
(01:39):
which is kind of stuck all aboutyour attire.
Yeah, well, I mean, I wasn'tback it yeah, it was more like I
was selling some stuff on thecorner of a street, but it was
like it attracted some unneededattention.
But yeah, I like buzzy it couldbe.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I like that too .
Yeah, it has a bit of a comesout feel to it.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah yeah, exactly like I've definitely wrestled in
dagger stuff before but, uh,the main thing we're going to
talk about today, folks, is the,the jujitsu getaway, the
jujitsu getaway, the jujitsucamp and what this does for
people, because I've experiencedsimilar experiences with a
(02:13):
jujitsu camp for a tournamentand the training and everything.
But let's talk a little bitabout your experience, because
you are a gym owner but you'vealso run events before, so tell
us about that, will.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, so essentially, the event that we're cooking up
at the moment is called Fightand Flow.
The idea has stemmed off whatwe're already running currently
Gains in the Ghetto.
So Gains is a trainingintensive that we do.
We've done weekend versions andinternationals overseas for a
week or so.
The idea is that you gettogether, you have your expert
(02:47):
coaches.
They run through workshop stylethings over the weekend.
There's a lot of training, alot of learning and, um, just
being around people that aretraining at that level too,
obviously, um, and so I've beenthinking the last little while,
like I love jiu-jitsu.
I've been training it for, youknow, best part of half a decade
now, plus um I notice you'vegot the purple stripe on your
tracksuit pants.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Everything I own now has a shade of purple.
Purple beanie, very niceCongrats, yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
In case anyone watching at home, I'm a purple
belt now.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
No big deal, guys.
I don't care about the belts.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, I'm not a system guy, but it is nice it's
framed on my wall.
But yeah, framed on my wall, um, but yeah.
So I've been like a lot of thethe chat around the gym, right,
is people's bodies not keepingup, and like there's more gen
pop athletes and there areathletes that want to compete
regularly and do well in thatsense, and so we've been trying
(03:39):
to figure out how we puttogether an event that obviously
speaks to both people, andFight and Flow is kind of that
event.
So we're looking at setting upa weekend where we are setting
up a weekend where there's, youknow, up to six hours on the mat
today and then we're going tointegrate some breath work, some
mobility training and somestrength training and tie that
(04:01):
all together so people can learnhow to look after their body
better, to be on the mats more,and that's the biggest thing,
right, like it's not necessarilygoing to be like a fight camp
where it's, you know, we'rehoning in on specific things to
target on specific people.
It's more broadening people'sbase knowledge of all matters
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that come into combat fighting,in this particular case,
jiu-jitsu, yeah, and making suretheir body's mobile enough,
making sure their recovery isgood enough, making sure they
can breathe through a wholeround without getting tanked,
and then adding in thatadditional strength training
that's going to help you combatanother human body.
So that's basically the nutsand bolts of the event is it's a
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training intensive.
We go away, away.
We've got black belts coming into teach.
We've got black belts inmovement that are going to come
in and teach, um, strengthmobility.
I'll be running a little bit ofbreath stuff because I kind of
fall like purple belt around allof those demographics, sure, um
, but yeah, it's.
It's basically tying it all inhaving a really big weekend of
training and recovery and makingsure that people can broaden
(05:03):
their knowledge on how they canlook after themselves better, to
stay on the mats longer Nice,and so Joe yourself, you.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I remember a long time ago actually seeing some
clips of you doing a man manintensive, with some beautiful
photos of some training, someoutdoor training, like on a dock
.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Of the dudes squatting each other.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Dude it was.
I felt like I felt likeInspiring.
I felt hair stand up on theback of outdoor training like on
a dock.
Oh, the dudes squatting eachother Dude it was.
I felt like I felt likeInspiring.
I felt hairs stand up on theback of my hand like that's
testosterone right there.
Yeah, that was that's mantraining, that was pretty epic.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
That actual clip you're talking about wasn't.
That was a business thing, ohokay, it was like with our
business coach.
And he's like Joey, can you runthe workout on one of the
mornings?
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But it was kind of part of a camp or a retreat or
something.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Well it was a retreat for all the guys in the
business, but they're all gymowners, oh right, and so then
you know, so it kind of looked.
It was like you know, they'reall like CrossFit gym owners, so
it was a bunch of elite humans,fit people, and then it was
(06:08):
like one of the sickest workoutsI've ever run.
I was like five minute amrap asmany repetitions of a partner
squat as you can accumulate, soyou go, as many as you can then
swap, and what the the squat wasfine is actually when you got
to be on someone's shouldersyeah, because their shoulders
are pushing into you.
Yeah, it really like it cookedsome elite units and I was like
we're onto something here.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, we're onto something there.
I think you ran that at theevent.
We did as well the man up eventin the Southern Highlands.
We did that, didn't we?
Yeah, we did the carry andsquats.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, but I had to be like hey, if you don't want to
do the squats, because noteveryone.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
It wasn't as physical .
Speaker 3 (06:40):
You don't want to buckle a fucking ACL or some
shit.
No, but yeah, will and I haverun a couple of events together,
four men specifically Right andincorporating all of the bits
right, grappling and strengthand breath work.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think there's a huge value to the intensive
aspect, like the kind of deepdive of it.
Because I mean, we've talkedbefore about how doing a
jiu-jitsu seminar like where youspend two hours with a world
champion, them showing you theirgame, doesn't necessarily
translate.
But the cool thing whichhappens with whether it be like
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the JB's camp like I rememberthat was like when I came to the
island and did that like it'sthe conversations around the
training, that like it's theconversations around the
training, like yes, the trainingis awesome and you learn a
bunch, but then you spend timeand you're like, wow, I've got a
lot in common with this otherperson who you know lives on the
other side of the map, and nowwe're kind of jamming out and
we're sharing problems and thenthat feeds into the next session
(07:38):
and there's this beautifulcontinuation when you do more
than just one session or one daythat by the end of it you've
created these, like these bonds.
Yeah, the group is a vibe, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
To the energy and it just makes the learning better
too.
Like we find a lot that youknow no one's going to get their
first one arm handstand on agames in the ghetto event Right
Like very rarely.
But what someone can get is,like the fundamentals of what
they are missing with the onlinetraining or being the only
person in their gym that's doingit and stuff like that.
So the aim for Fight Flow isYou're not going to learn the
(08:14):
greatest takedown technique orthe greatest leg lock
entanglement ever this weekend,but what you will learn are the
fundamentals that lead up tobeing able to bridge into that
more, if that makes sense.
For sure, your capacity tolearn elevates because of the
environment you're in, yes, andit's the little take-homes that
you're like.
Oh yeah, I can add thatstraight in, or I can put this
in my warm-up so that I'm morecomfortable in my knee so I can
(08:37):
enter a leg entanglement withmore confidence.
Stuff like that.
You know.
It's not like you're going tocome away with this gold nugget
of like I'm the best jujitsuathlete on the planet.
It's more like oh, I'm more ofa complete package now.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
But I think that idea of a like a more complete
approach is I mean, that's whatit's all about, right.
I mean that's what it's allabout right.
(09:09):
I mean we all fundamentallyagree on that because we have
our, I guess, pt and kind of S&Cbackgrounds in that way that we
know you need to do a degree ofmobility and you need to
stretch and you need to strengthtrain and you should have a
proper warmup and you knowbreath work makes a difference
for recovery.
But it's just there's so that'sso many for the regular folks,
that's so many different fieldsof understanding that having
someone bring it together foryou, I think that's this huge
value in that.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and I think we did a little bit of it when Joey
and I did this event in theSouthern Highlands and it's like
people hear breath work and youautomatically just sit like
think sorry, quiet room, sittingdown, eyes closed, like taking
that space and doing somebreathing right, like this stuff
that we're going to do is goingto be live during the rounds.
Right you know, like we'reblocking noses, we're taping
(09:43):
mouths, we're going to be doingbreath holds at certain times
while we're training to try andintensify certain effects, right
, and it's learning how to getthe body to adapt during those
things.
That then gives you a biggertank for down the track.
How interesting, um, so it's.
Yeah, it's not that classicalbreath work, like you know in
for three, out for three kind ofvibe.
It's like all right, everyone'sgonna tape their mouth for this
(10:04):
round nasal breathing.
Only let's see how we cancontrol our breath.
I'm feeling gassed already yeah, she's punishing.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
You had us do a.
Uh, we did a little circuit.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We had to haul a mouthful of water in our mouth
yeah, and if you didn't have anywater in your mouth at the end
of it, we had to do it againyeah, it was horrible and we did
like four rounds or somethingyou just got to keep them out,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
So you can't open your mouth, right?
Yeah you just got this dankfucking water in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Just lukewarm water is this?
Is this like the tiktokchallenges where, like you,
gotta slap each other in theface?
I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh look, joe's gonna pretend like he's never seen
Tiff what's this platform youguys are wasting your time on?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
no?
No, it's usually a couple'sthing, but it's like you each
have, oh, you guys shared itwith each other.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
That's nice.
Well, actually, bill and I weredoing it the other day, the
rock and Kevin Hart they did it.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
It I was the rock.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What was funny is this woman slapped the shit out
of her husband.
He didn't lose the water, butbecause she found it so funny,
she just spat the water out,she's like oh, this is too good.
Anyway, it was enjoyable.
You ran an event recently downin Melbourne, right, I did do
our mobility seminar, and thething which is good about that
(11:14):
is everybody gets a sheet, andso you actually Everyone gets a
sheet, and so you actuallyEveryone gets a sheet.
Yeah, so you go through, like,do the assess?
No, no, no.
But I'm saying that, like it'sone of those things that you
usually go to a seminar and it'slike how's this applicable to
me?
Yeah, and that's the thing thatI find annoying.
I go to a seminar and then Iwalk away and I'm like that was
(11:39):
so one size fits all.
It's really on you to work hardto pull out the nuggets.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And it's hard with a big group too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
as a practitioner, we had about 30 people.
It was meant to be a bitsmaller, but a few more people
showed up and I think thedifference on that one is
everybody came with.
Oh, this is something I want towork on.
And it took a bit longer becauseI make sure that I want
everyone to go away with atleast one really helpful thing,
and so I will make extra timethere, but the whole idea is to
(12:06):
cultivate something which helpsthat person go right.
This is my approach now.
Well, I have a little toolkit.
I'm going to start working withthis Because, for the most part
, like as much as you can do alot of different things when you
actually have an expert look atyou and give you feedback,
makes huge difference yeah andyou would have felt that your
own self when you've done you.
You know your own experiences atmovement camps and because
(12:29):
we've also not, I guess betweenus not just been the coaches,
we've been coached and felt thatdifference right for sure.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah, I think it's um , I think it's largely more like
it's all.
Yeah, it's like kind of likeyou touched on with the, the
conversations around thetraining, but it's the, it's all
the other shit, the inspirationthat comes from it, maybe, um,
certain uh practices you observewithin the way they deliver
information, or little bits ofcoaching you get.
(12:57):
That's not what's on the agenda, but you know, or you see
someone else getting coached.
Yeah, like, all that shitbecomes so valuable, doesn't it?
It pays dividends.
This is where I think like, um,this is where I I really don't
have a problem paying money tobe in the room with a person
that I admire.
That's at a high level, even ifthe material of whatever
they're teaching isn'tparticularly relevant to me or
(13:19):
you're familiar or yeah, yeah,it's like it's, because it's all
the other shit that you'rethere for.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, picking up on when it's it's the whole
community aspect too.
Right like it's easy to getlost in, especially jiu-jitsu,
like I'm I'm new to the scenewith the almost like tribalism
of like different gyms.
Right like there's a lot ofturf wars that go on and it's
you're not new to the scene.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Now you're purple belt, bro.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, I mean, you were fucking in there, you're
right, thank you, boys, I neededthat decade five years, which
is no time at all, but half adecade massive continue and also
purple of course.
Yeah, that's right, we'll see.
We'll see continue um.
Where was I going with that?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
you just so I just started jiu-jitsu, so I just
started anyway.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
But yeah, so yeah so like, and there is a bit of it
in like the movement side ofthings.
But it's more the fitnessindustry, where there's, like
you know, fitness, uh, movementversus crossfit, versus power
lifting, right like.
There's a little bit of like ohyou know, we're better than you
, and like no one says itdirectly, but everyone has that
kind of?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
well, no, I think people do.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
I think people do say it directly, I just wanted to
be a little bit neutral in thepotty.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know this is recorded right that's all we're
here for I don't know whatyou're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
We're polarizing.
I am you do what you like,perfect, um, but in in the
martial arts community, it's alot more prevalent.
There's a lot more like peoplewill frown upon people going to
different gyms and training atdifferent places some gyms,
depending on the gym but it'sdefinitely a lot more obvious.
as someone that didn't grow upwith it, I sort of see it, and
(14:48):
it's like people will becautious of what gyms they go
and train to so as not to pissanyone off.
But this whole community aspectis what's great about it.
Like it's it's not under abanner of a certain teacher or
anything like that, it's amovement gym hosting some sick
jiu-jitsu coaches that are goingto be cross-referencing all of
the powerful tools that make youa good athlete, not just on the
(15:10):
mats but in general.
Right, and that's what I thinkis going to be.
The best part is like thecommunity element of people
getting together, sharingdifferent things.
We do this at our gym, you dothis at your gym.
We can integrate all this kindof stuff back at our home base
and like that's the beauty Likeyou get all these little like
cheat sheets almost from eachperson that you meet that
weekend.
Everyone gets a sheet.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No sheet on this one oh okay, oh fuck, maybe we'll do
a digital PDF.
Jt can bring some sheets, bro,are you?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
going to be there.
I'm hard copy.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I will be there, ladies and gentlemen, yeah,
special announcement JT's comingto headline the mobility and
the strength components of Fight.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Flow, bringing that bulletproof to the Fight Flow,
which I'm excited about.
So, yeah, man, I mean when youtalked about it I was like fuck,
that sounds great.
I mean it's very much.
You know what you are doingpersonally and what you're
trying to do with the campitself is so in line with what
we're about in terms of helpinggrapplers have the better
(16:09):
movement and also the longevity.
So, yeah, stoked to be downthere and be amongst it and also
get the chance to just hang outon the mats, roll with folks,
experience the breath, work.
Like it will be nice to alsonot just lead some sessions but
participate too.
That would be fucking great.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I'll have been waiting almost three years to
get my next shot around with youas well, so I'm very excited.
Bit of context, folks.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The first time, Will and I rolled.
He tried to First and only time.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
First and only time.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Snap me down and jump guillotine me.
In the first 15 seconds I waslike what are you doing, bro?
Can we just reverse that?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just start a little bit, a little bit of editing
here.
When Jamie gets a chance to runit back, jack, we're just going
to rewind that back and yousaid try, I believe I got there,
but you were just very, verystrong and shucked it off.
I think I set it out quite well.
I think I was only afour-stripe white belt at the
(17:06):
time.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
You know, when you see someone go to shake hands,
you're actually a blue belt.
That's funny.
You know when someone goes toshake hands and the person just
goes and there's usually a fistbump there, maybe there's a bit
of a slap.
It's like slap and jump andsnap.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We grazed knuckles as I went.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
You were the comes out, you were the Kevin Holland
Bro none of that.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
There was no comes up from this man.
It was just rookie energy andit's fun.
I like that about Will becausehe also tried to heel hook me
really quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
So I was like he's like yeah, bro, for context, I
don't know legs.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
He was like, oh, if you can come down and show us
some leg locks, try to outsideheel hook me like very fast.
I was like what are you doing?
First of all, it was an anklelock.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It was a good time.
It was a good time.
It was a grip and rip.
I don't know what the fuck Iwas doing.
I was squeezing as hard as Icould, I mean does the mosquito
bowl?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
of the elephant?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
No you swing the trunk and you just fucking move
on.
But that said, also got to rollwith your coaching.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Adam's my coach.
Yeah, so he's been doing like.
I've been doing a one-on-onewith him on average, maybe once
a week for, like most of thetime I've been doing.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
He's super handy.
Had a great role with him, likewas very back and forth and
great mover.
Yeah, yeah, he's excellent.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
He's super athletic, super calm and he's one of those
black belts too, that's likereally good at explaining almost
the entirety of a sequence andhow it works fundamentally and
just always happens to leave out, like that key component of
defense that leaves the lowerbelt stranded as fuck when he
gets to a certain point yeah, soyou do it to me and I will
defeat it, yeah yeah, so he'sreally good at that.
(18:43):
And then he's just like I can'tteach you everything just yet,
bro, you know, but he's uh, he'slike, really, mr miyagi energy
nice, yeah, yeah, lovely guy.
Sick coach, and I think part ofpart of why I am you still a
garage yeah, yeah, I'm trying atgarage as well yeah, yeah sick
nice yeah, try and do once aweek down there with ryan and
the crew there and again ryan'sum, one of the other coaches
that uh hosting that weekend.
(19:03):
We'll be doing a lot of thejiu-jitsu stuff at garage.
Fuck yeah, um, and he's justlike anyone that's made.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
He's the nicest guy in jiu-jitsu the nicest guy
probably in the world.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah yeah, probably, like he's just such a nice dude
always gives everyone a time ofthe day and just so
knowledgeable like knows all thetechniques back the front,
inside out adapt it for a heavybody, adapt it for a smaller
body, like you guys wouldunderstand.
Yeah, um, and he's just.
Yeah, he's very much about likebuilding that holistic element
of it as well.
Like he gets the warm-ups arereally great.
(19:32):
He's got the bulletproofposters on the wall at the gym
he right.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I mean, he's got an S&C background.
He always runs a great session.
I always love going down thereand training there, whether it
be the comm class or even justComm class, is really good.
Yeah, he just structures itwell and he's able to keep
everybody on point, and I reallylike that.
He doesn't over-explain, he'slike this is what we're doing,
right, go to work, and that'sfor me, at least from my
perspective.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, it's almost too like one of the big things I've
found with him teaching.
I don't have a huge experienceof being at like multiple
different gyms, but I've watcheda lot and everything like that,
but there's no, there's neverreally any questions.
You know, after a techniquelike he has a, he's got a really
good way of teaching whereeverything already makes sense
and there's not really any likegray area of certain things.
(20:15):
It's like here's entry one, twoand three here's how we go from
point a to point b to point cand just he just really manages
that process really well.
There's rarely anyone going, oh, that doesn't make sense.
Yeah, so it's um, and I thinkthat's probably a secret gift as
a coach doing jiu-jitsu, um,like it's fucking hard to do.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, I mean, he's been doing it a long time too.
I think that's the other thing,and running a successful gym in
and of itself is its ownchallenge.
So he's done a great job withthat and been able to, like,
help, raise people on so manylevels, whether they'd be just
everyday folks or people tryingto compete as well.
But let's talk a little bitmore about my friends.
(20:57):
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background and you know you lovea good handstand, which is
challenging.
You know that's a tough thing,and so for you, because this is
the thing that interests me withanyone who comes to jiu-jitsu,
(22:01):
what their kind of jiu-jitsustory is, in a way like how did
you start, what got you startedthis kind of thing?
But how much trainingbackground did you have before
you started jujitsu and how didyou actually start jujitsu?
So?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
training wise, I've been doing like the whole
movement kind of vibe for maybethe best part of a decade now,
right, um, yeah, actually Ithink ghetto turns 10 this year,
so it'll be 10 years at leastthat I've been sort of in that,
congrats.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Does that include up in the roof cavity?
Yeah, yeah, the original yogaclasses.
And yeah, right on.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So went full spectrum , went full yogi, into like
movement, into handstands, andthen sort of landed somewhere in
a mongrel breed in the middleof it all, perfect, um.
But yeah, I think the thingthat always intrigued me about
jujitsu and um we were workingout of you guys know grant
barlow and jen down in, um,they've got synergy method now,
yeah, um so we were working outof um, grant and jen's gym in
(22:53):
wulingong and they would docasual mats right.
Um and grant was like you've gotto come and try it out.
Like he goes, you're flexible,you're strong, like you'll
really love it.
And he wasn't wrong, like it'shonestly For people that move a
lot and like at the time I wasdoing a lot of that locomotion
stuff as well, it's just itcomplements it so well and I was
basically just addictedstraight away.
(23:15):
And so when we moved into ourbigger space, you know,
selfishly, because I didn't havethe time to get to the classes
at that stage, I think Grant andJen only maybe had one or two
things that they were running aweek and selfishly I was like,
well, I'll put a class or two onat Ghetto that I can go to,
grant can come in and teach andwe can give it to our members as
well.
(23:35):
Nice.
And then we kind of just grewlike a little community.
At first it was like two orthree, then there was like five,
then there was 10 people at thegym doing it and it kind of
just like started growing fromthere, growing from there.
And then Grant and Jen moved totheir new facility and started
doing classes and everything.
So we stopped at ghetto butwe're training there, um, a
majority of the time, um, butyeah, just tied in really well
(23:56):
and it's.
It's one of those things that Ifind.
I'm not necessarily great atjujitsu Well, I'm not great at
all at jujitsu but I'm veryaware of my body and like I can
twist, turn, bend, touch my toes, split all those things right.
Like I'm aware and I've gotstrength in that range so I can
(24:16):
survive a lot of positionalforeplay before things get
dangerous and get myself out ofit, um, which I found to be
somewhat of a superpower, likegoing through things, because
like you can get beat up prettybad by people in jujitsu just
for fun, um, and if you're juststrong enough in the right areas
and sort of spatially awareenough of what's happening, you
can defend quite well and thenobviously down the track you
(24:38):
learn to attack.
I haven't quite reached thatpoint in my jujitsu path just
yet, but I'll try.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, I think you can attack.
I think you're probably talkingdown your jujitsu here.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Talking up the mobility, because that's what
we're trying to sell.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You need mobility.
Bro, you are a slippery gypsy.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I was trying to get you and I was like I can't hold
on to this guy, it's kind ofsimilar with people that have a
football background.
Right they?
Speaker 3 (25:03):
play rugby league or union, they come to jujitsu.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
And they're not necessarily good at the
technique itself, but theyunderstand the concept of body
leverage and how to.
Yeah, exactly right.
And if you can make thatdifficult for someone, even
though eventually the guy withthe you know superior knowledge
and technique system will winout there are occasions where
(25:26):
you can hold it up long enoughor make them swap to something
else because you've put upenough resistance in those areas
.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I think that's something that's really
important for people to learn,especially when coming into it.
Like you know, jujitsu ishaving an absolute moment at the
moment, with like mid thirtiesguys, you know, just jumping on
the bandwagon and getting intoit, but their bodies are getting
smashed and all these things.
And it's like if you've got thetools you can, you can really
like have a good hard run at it.
And you know as much as it is aphysically demanding craft,
(25:55):
like it's also so great to likejust blow off some steam and you
know, give that mental sort ofuh, um, what's the word?
Download that?
You know you just let all thatshit go and it's, it's, it's so
great for that yeah, 100, soit's, it's yeah%.
Yeah, it's super cool, but offtopic a little there, where I
(26:15):
was going with the jiu-jitsustuff with the journey of it all
.
So Adam was really heavy in sortof like Grant and Jen set up at
Synergy and everything likethat.
He was one of their firstteachers there and he was just
really good at systemizingthings for people like myself
with a bit of add or adhd thekids call it these days sure, um
(26:35):
, you know, and sort of likepainting the picture of like how
to actually go about yourbusiness.
Because, sure, when you look atit, it's like what the fuck's
even happening here?
Like, yeah, you look at it andyou can't see the setting up of
things happening until you startto, you know, be in it.
Um, and adam was really greatat drawing this thing that he
called like your inner, mid andouter circle, and he's like back
(26:57):
control is going to be yourouter circle, right, getting
into that space, and then yourmid control is going to be
solidifying one part of it andthen your inner circle is going
to be looking for the sub, andso he would just go about like,
while he's teaching meone-on-one like going, this is
the only thing you need to focuson today and like really
simplifying and almost dumbingit down.
(27:19):
To that respect and I didn'trealize it at the time, probably
not until recently like whenI've started being able to
string stuff together.
But, like when I said beforethe Mr Miyagi thing, I was like,
oh, this is just him repetition, you know learning what's what
and how to do it.
But now it's like I don't evenhave to think about certain
things because your body justgoes there, because you have
(27:41):
this really simple concept of,like outer, inner, and working
your way to that space and it'sjust like that's a cool concept,
yeah, and it's something thatI've taken into like other
training and coaching as well.
Now is like thinking about allright, the big goal here is
being able to have a positionthat you can default to under
fatigue.
(28:02):
And if you can make that in anyscenario whether it's jujitsu,
whether it's handstands orsomething like that right, like
if you have that position whereit's mindless and you can jump
into it, then you default thereand you can go through the
motions and you can set stuff upwithout really having to export
too much mental or physicaloutput.
And it's always been somethingthat I was like yeah, that's
something that I would lovetaught to people as they start
(28:24):
at ghetto or at garage, whenwe're going in and doing those
things, and it's um, it's areally great concept to to be
able to then start to go.
You know, there's this circlenow, and now we're going to look
at our passing and we're goingto look at backstep in our
passing because that can set upsome North South which can set
up side back, which then sets upyour circle of back Right.
And you know, you start to seethis map of things that link
(28:45):
together and you're like, oh,it's not as complicated as, like
, what I thought, and now I'vegot some take-homes that I can,
like, start to conceptualize andit becomes a bit more tangible.
Yeah and um yeah, that was a big, big, big stepping stone for me
in like the jiu-jitsu journeyof of um, basically not just
pissing in the wind and hopingfor the best.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Yeah, um, or hoping I can get you a long way though.
Yeah, when you're strong andflexible.
Yeah, it does.
It does to a certain point.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
But then you know you , uh, you need a few little bits
and pieces to help it is goodto learn something every now and
again.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And then you meet someone who's strong and
flexible, who also knows jujitsu, and you're like oh fuck yeah,
exactly right this techniquething.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
There's something to it.
I'm not gonna roll with thisguy anymore.
I like training with this guy.
Training with this guy, yeah Imean it's.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
This is the challenge I mean, I think, the thing that
I wanted to, I guess, express,like you know we're talking
community, right, and you knowJungle Brothers is a strong
community and you know Ghetto isa strong community, and there's
something about spending timetraining with other humans that
(29:47):
creates this.
You know, the shared strugglecreates the camaraderie but, I
think, also creating a uniquesituation.
So it's not often that you geton the ground and crawl around
with someone you know what Imean.
It's not often that you hoistNot often enough, yeah right,
and it's not often that youhoist someone up on your fucking
shoulders and they're trustingyou're not going to drop them
and you trust that they're notgoing to drop you same jujitsu,
(30:08):
like you're trusting they're notgoing to break your arm or
fucking snap your acl orwhatever it might be.
But I, I think the, the thingwhich is unique and cool about
the um, the camp idea, and the,the intensive idea, the
immersion of it, is that it'skind of unreplicatable for that
weekend, like what that weekendis the weather, the food, the
(30:32):
people.
Like you might never get thosepeople together again, but when
I did the JB's camp, I wasrooming with Faraz, and so
here's the thing.
Right, this is crazy.
My childhood best friend, omar,who I grew up with, did some
acting, and when we were kids,faraz got his major break in
(31:00):
like Zero Dark or Pitch.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Dark with Vin Diesel.
Oh, did he yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
You've got a bit of a background in film, don't you,
joe?
I do A little background, faraz.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Durrani.
Here's the thing Faraz was notShout out bro.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, shout out.
Thanks for listening, bro.
I didn't expect to see like Ihad seen him back in the days,
cambridge Park, you know,penrith Basketball Stadium.
We all played basketballtogether.
But Omar kind of knew himthrough the acting thing.
Omar was doing some kind ofyoung talent acting shit and
(31:29):
everyone was like yo, faraz isfamous, bro.
He was in a movie with fuckingvin diesel.
He's in there for five minutes.
He gets eaten by aliens in thefirst.
Like you know, he plays thislittle kid more film time than
I've got right.
But what was amazing was likeyears later, as adults, we come
together for this thing and nowwe're roomies, you guys are
rooming.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I thought who's who's someone that can match jt's
energy?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
for us got more energy than me, right?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
no, that guy's I don't believe he's a fucking
performer man.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
That guy's always fucking we had this like little
hand.
We did the handstand session onthe saturday afternoon and you
know it's a big day, it's sortof we'd already everyone's
cooked, yeah, and then it waslike perfect time to do hands go
on fucking throw up, have a gosee what you can do, kind of
thing.
And for us, like pretty shit atall the handstand drills, like
because he can't concentrate andhe's too busy fucking talking
(32:14):
and whatever.
And then he gets there and hedoes a fucking.
He just jumps up onto his hands, catches this wily thing and
then handstand push-up but likebig scorpion, like legs come
over by accident but holds itpresses back.
You know, just like could onlydo it when all the eyes are on
it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, and you know, yeah, yeah, fucking did it, yeah
, amazing yeah, and that'sworkshop magic.
But that's what happens at work, yeah that wouldn't happen in
the gym.
No, that's right but but thefunny thing about it was us
being able to reconnect and hangout like it was like fuck, we
haven't.
Like we haven't seen each othersince we were kids, but now
we're here as adults, kind ofdoing childlike things.
But the cool thing about it wasjust you.
(32:55):
Yeah, man, it creates theseconnections.
I think this is the thing thathas made me like really, you
know, excited for and interestedto be a part of the fight and
flow thing is, I know whoever'sgoing to come is going to.
We're going to get connected ina way that you just won't in
(33:15):
other circumstances, even thoughyou might see someone at an
open mat and that's really cool.
Like you've each had your ownexperiences with camps, I'm sure
, whether it was as a leader oras a participant where you've
just you felt a resonance or aconnection where you're like
this is fucking so good.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, well, I mean you know like yeah yeah, yeah,
at an open mat like you can rockup on a weekend and go check
out a gym and 50% of the peoplewill come over and say, hi,
what's up?
Like welcome, all the rest ofit percent of the people that
are there that you probablywon't interact with at all right
at these things it's like andyou never actually get very deep
with anyone.
Yeah, exactly right.
And if you're only there for anhour a week or whatever it is,
(33:54):
you go in, do the class, youleave.
You know you might get to rollwith.
You know, in a normal class,like 30 of the people that are
there that day and over a yearyou might interact with 20 30
people, tops right over a 12,over a weekend.
You know however many peoplerock up to this event.
You're going to interact withthem one-on-one.
You know two, three, four timesthrough the weekend, right,
(34:15):
like you'll be doing differentdrills with them, different
training.
You'll be chatting at lunch,chatting after classes, swapping
ideas on recovery.
You know, while we go for a swimor whatever it is Like it kind
of forces this social settingthat isn't really um
replicatable replicatableanywhere else, because you're
all there for the same thing andso you have this kind of bond
(34:36):
already that you want to turn upand learn these things.
You want to do better, you wantto be better.
Um, that starts a conversationstraight away.
Um, you know, people will askwhere you're from, what you do,
how long you've been rolling,what color belt you on.
Now I don't feel so shit foryou subbing me earlier.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
I'm not really into belts, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Belts are a construct .
Yeah, they hold you backmentally.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Which I buy into, ready for my brown, for
whoever's listening.
But yeah, I think it's aconcept that I think is
underrated.
Like JB is the same right, it'sa.
It's a concept that I think isunderrated, like even like jb is
the same right, like the beforewe really knew each other that
well.
I loved the vibe of jb and Iloved the crew.
I loved what you guys wereposting and like everything like
(35:19):
that, because you can see thecommunity element of it straight
away and that's what we triedto emulate at ghetto is it's a
community first organization andthat's why it succeeds, because
it's the people, not the placeor the thing.
Right, sure, and AnytimeFitness is never going to have a
soul in it because there's nopeople there doing the things
that we do with our community.
Yeah, and it's one of thosethings that's super special and
(35:40):
that's what we try to take tothese events in like an even
more hyped-up way, is that we'rebroadening those communities,
making it bigger, making it more, um, you know, sort of
accepting to get in and around.
So it's that's what I think islike the real secret sauce in
all this like you go and youhave this experience of learning
that you're also broadeningyour community, broadening, like
(36:03):
the people that you're going tothen continue to grow with down
the track as well.
Right, like the amount ofInstagram DMs that will happen
after this event on like, oh hey, bro, did you try that thing?
Or how did you find your breathwork?
What's your breath score up toAll these things?
Right, it just pumps up allthese conversations with people
that you didn't know before theevent and it's like, yeah,
that's what I think the magic isyeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well, yeah, it's a beautiful thing.
Well, I'm stoked for it, man,I'm excited to be a part of it
and connect with all the goodfolks and obviously work side by
side with yourself and Ryan andRoxy, and you know just, I
think being able to create acontinuation of sessions to have
that immersive experience islike, yeah, it's powerful, man.
I haven't done that kind ofthing for a little while, so I
think it's going to be great.
(36:52):
I'm looking forward to it.
So, in terms of people gettingon board with this thing,
because it is a local Sydneything, but you are also thinking
to do something international.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yes, yes, as both of you know, I really struggle with
staying on one thing for toolong.
Yeah, so this is going to beour first one and it's going to
be a two-day intensive, so justa Saturday, sunday, but at the
intensive we will announce ourBali event.
So we're going to go to thetropics and spend a week over
there, and it obviously justbecomes more intense every day.
(37:28):
A little rest day in there everynow and then.
And then sort of the concept ofFight Flow was the crossover
between how often jiu-jitsuathletes also like to surf and
how many hobbyist surfers thereare that also do a little bit of
jiu-jitsu.
Jt can't swim.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
There's a knee-deep pool and cannot surf.
That's fine bro.
Actually, he fucking hates thebeach.
Just to clarify.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
We've got big foam boards.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
I love the beach, I love to look at it, I love to
admire all the sexy people onthere.
Cocktail, I just eat my fishand chips from the sideline and
that's fine.
You know who you are.
Yeah, I mean, all superheroeshave a nemesis.
Superheroes have a nemesis.
It's like water.
Water, I think.
Yeah, like when you're made ofstone.
You think I'm like bruce willisin um, unbreakable, that's
(38:13):
that's.
You know, every superhero's gota weakness.
I've got it now.
You know, mr glass, try andsink me, but um, but I mean,
yeah, no, the surfing piece Ihave tried.
My old bosses from fitline wereavid surfers and so they would
always get us down to torquay.
That was like their excuse totry and do a business retreat.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
They're like we're gonna teach you guys so this is,
that's exactly what this is forme, and I just want to go do
jiu-jitsu and surf with all myfriends.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They would kind of leave us and they'd be like,
yeah, you guys paddle out, andthey'd be out there and I'd be,
I'd be drowning just to try andget out through the initial
break, to just to get out there.
And I'm bro when you haven't.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
It's the same as a white belt rocking up to an open
mat, right like it is the exactsame experience, except instead
of like waves, you've got gianthumans, and then vice versa.
Yeah, and you're just dealingwith a force that you haven't
dealt with before, and it takesyou by surprise either way.
You're fucking drowning, yeah,exactly like it's so bad and
it's and I think that's whythere's such an overlap, right,
because they're both sports thatyou know a relatively low
(39:11):
barrier to start.
But high skill, high skill, yeah, and it attracts you mentally
as well, I think, like gettingout there and just hitting the
reps in both.
But yeah, so the weekend, youknow, weather depending and
conditions depending, we mighteven get down for a little early
morning surf with everyone.
We might even get down for alittle early morning surf with
everyone, but at the bareminimum, an afternoon swim
getting a salt water.
Sorry, excuse me, but then inBali, because it is a week and
(39:33):
it's so intense, we'll have resttimes and there'll be a chance
to, you know, if you want to doa surf lesson or if you want to
go out and actually just surf.
If you want to lay by the pooland have a margarita and some
fish and chips, you can also dothat.
That lovely, um, but yeah, thethe barley event will be really
sick, um, I'm not going todisclose location just yet.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
No, no I might have jumped the gun there.
I just thought it's uh no, no,definitely not jumped.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It's all, it's all but booked it would just be.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I think it's just because we have some some good
folks out there who lovebulletproof, who've never
actually had a chance to, um,catch up with myself or joey, or
have the opportunity, or maybethey're interested in this thing
and they're like I don't where,the, where the fuck is
woolengong, yeah, you know whatI mean?
They have no idea, right, andso I think putting it out there
that yeah, it's awesome thatthere'll be a low, there's this
(40:17):
local opportunity, but the factthat maybe international folks
might be able to come along,that's that's super exciting as
well yeah, and that's the.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
that's the one where we can sort of really start to
play with what we can do to.
You know, like um, really breakdown different components, like
the weekend will be a veryintense all-in-one buffet, um,
but the week long we can, youknow, spend time, you know
theming days around, likespecific things that are going
to help for the jiu-jitsu thatwe do that day, and then the
(40:45):
recovery that we do thatafternoon for the next morning,
so on and so forth, so we canreally tie that stuff together
on the week-long event.
You can sink your teeth rightin that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
So, folks who are keen for this, I think what
we'll do is, we will set up alink for this app so that people
can go check it out.
But if people are trying tocontact you, mr Will, and
they're trying to get aroundunderstanding what you do,
what's the best way for peopleto get in touch with you?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
You can either just hit our Instagram at ghetto
movement or hit me at will atghetto movementcom with an email
.
They're the two easiest ways.
I'm relatively on top of allthe messaging and emails that
come through there, so reach outto us and we can get you in the
right place and get you startedAwesome.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Boss, boss.
Thank you for coming, brother.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
We appreciate you.
Are we on the mats now?
Is that what's happening youwish?
I do?
Speaker 1 (41:38):
We're just going to do it here on the couch right
now.
I mean, it's fucking my job Infront of these guys.
Let's fucking go the cameras on.
It's fucking.
You just see, will through thewindow.
(42:03):
That's the lighting nice.
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