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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Grappling is greater thanstriking for MMA.
(00:35):
Oh, recently, joe, we had avery dominant display of
wrestling versus striking.
A classic style matchup in MMAcomes up to my of being
extremely dominant against DDP.
But we've seen it before and itreally you know, it's been
(00:56):
talked about before that justwrestling makes a difference in
MMA.
The fair weather fans at pubsaround the world were up in arms
.
That was so upsetting.
I didn't come here to see thisgay shit.
I was in the pub having thisold boy pull up to me no, I
prefer boxing personally and Iwas like, bro, you're in the
wrong pub, you're watching thewrong thing, get lost.
(01:18):
This is not what that's goingto be.
And look, even Rob Whittakerhad said if you thought the
match was boring, then you are acasual.
That was his take right.
And look, I would have loved tohave seen Kamsa maybe submit
DDP, you know, but he's a toughguy, he, you know.
He fought that a lot.
But what was so frustratingabout.
(01:39):
It was Drikus' just total lackof regard for the standard of
wrestling that comes up to myhat.
He was standing super high.
He's throwing a kick.
You're like bro, do you want toget taken down?
Yeah, what are you doing?
And I think it was Dominic Cruzwas saying this is the era of
(01:59):
the wrestler.
Like you know, like grapplingwas going to come to dominate
MMA more and more, because he'stalking about Islam as well.
Like how dominant he has beenusing his grappling.
I mean, obviously he can striketoo.
He's had KOs but really it'soff this base of elite level
wrestling which is nullifyingthe ability for strikers to do
(02:20):
their thing.
Yeah, and we've seen many kindof famous examples of it before.
I was actually talking to arandom guy.
There was a guy there at thepub with his kid and his kid was
just running wild.
He's like yeah, sure, son,whatever you need.
He's like dad, can I haveanother Coke?
He's like yep, here's 10 bucks,just sort it out.
I'm watching the fights.
You know he's having some beerson a Saturday, whatever.
(02:40):
And anyway, he's like he's seenthat I'm paying attention to
the fights.
He's like oh, what do youreckon?
And I said, mate, I think thisis going to be like a Khabib
Connor type setup.
Really, if the striker can'tget in those good shots, it's
just a matter of time Like thegrappler is going to wear that
person down, take them down andyou know, most likely finish
(03:04):
them and you know.
Obviously we have the advantageof retrospect to see how that
played out.
But if someone has that elitelevel wrestling pedigree and
that's the thing that people Ithink people don't appreciate as
much as people know comes outis crazy guy, tough guy, been
fighting a long time.
He was training with theRussian team.
(03:24):
Essentially he was doing roundswith satellite of you time.
He was training with theRussian team.
Essentially he was doing roundswith Satellaev.
You know he was training underthe Satiev brothers coach, the
original coach.
His name is Dmitry Mindiashvili.
I'm saying that wrong, but yeah, like the legendary coach,
right and so Maybe a Georgian?
Well, I don't know, I don'tthink he's Georgian.
Well, I don't know, I don'tthink he's Georgian.
(03:45):
Could be a fucking Georgian, Idon't think he's Georgian.
Anyway, it says he's Russianand I think on the countdown it
actually because it showed himhe was training at this elite
Russian facility and he waspointing out Sadalayev and
Satiev brothers.
And then I think they actuallyhad they showed a clip of him
(04:06):
training with satiev as an oldman.
Maybe adam, uh, busavir busavirhas passed away.
Rp, oh, wow, legend of the game.
But it might have been.
Maybe adam satiev his brother,yeah, okay, but they're both
legends and and I think this isthe thing that we, you know,
don't get me wrong when you lookat like an elite level striker
of any sort, it's taken themtheir lifetime to be that elite.
(04:27):
You know, like it's taken them20 years since they were boxing,
since they were eight orwhatever it might be.
But without a proper plan forthe wrestling, it's just you
can't do anything withoutfootwork.
Striking is really based on thatdistance control and and
footwork and everything likethat.
And really, you know, we'veseen, like you know, comes out,
(04:50):
shoot from.
You know, when he shot in onRob Whitaker, he shot in from
the other side of the cage.
Yeah, he shoots from such adistance, he's so fearless, he's
not afraid to get need in thehead.
He's just like, yep, he's justlike yep, I'm coming in, I'm
taking you down.
And then they talk about ridetime or control time, where I
think it was the second highestamount of control time in the
history of UFC.
(05:10):
It was like 21 minutes 40seconds Just on him In a
25-minute fight, just on him thewhole time.
Pretty absurd, yeah.
And look, yeah, I mean how didyou feel about that match and
what did you take from the kindof wrestling in that I mean I
like the match, uh, you know, I,I.
I think for anyone that's likemildly engaged in the sport,
(05:32):
it's not, it's not just thefight, right, it's the whole
context of it.
Yes, and so contextually, itwas fucking sick.
Yes, you know, comes out, didwhat you would expect, comes out
to do, to do.
And I was disappointed inDrikus because and I mean the
guy's obviously a great fighter,but just the fact that he had
zero answer for the wrestling Ithought I gave him, I was like
(05:56):
first two rounds, yeah, thestrategy might be to let comes
out, like burn up a bit of juicein control positions Because,
like holding that crucifix andshit, like none of that's easy,
right?
No, and this is the casuals,don't get this.
But to lie on top of someone inthat way, controlling both of
their arms, and be able tofucking hold against them a
(06:18):
monstrous, strong, kind likeDreykus yeah, that's so hard to
do, yes, and so you know peoplelike why didn't he, you know,
why didn't he hit him?
Why didn't he posture up andfight?
And you're like, cause you losethe position, like if you've
been there, yeah, right, it'shard to be there.
No-transcript.
(06:54):
Yeah, um, so that wasdisappointing, but I reckon
there's something like I don'tknow, I almost there wasn't even
any jujitsu, right, like it'sMMA, and so there was even some
comments from a few commentatorssaying he didn't even go to
like a guard, like if you knowyou're getting taken down.
At least a point of safety isnot side control.
Yeah, even though there wasmoments of like kind of half
(07:17):
guard, which was kind of halfassed.
If he'd done something to puthis legs between himself and
comes up like at least thatwould have provided some form of
defense.
Yeah, but there was none ofthat which is, yeah, yeah,
regardless of if you are someonewho watches the uc sometimes or
you watch it all the time andyou're obsessed with it, yeah,
(07:39):
it was so, um, there's such astark contrast when we compare
other matches that Kamsat's hadand he's been met with more
resistance, yeah, and I thinkthat that was the big tell,
wasn't it?
That's like you think about hisearlier fights where he's met
guys who can wrestle, cangrapple Usman.
(08:00):
Yeah, a lot of people talkingabout how well that fight has
aged, with Usman's ability todefend the takedown and hang
with him and strike with likeput some work on him.
Yeah, and Usman took that likewhen he was on the downhill and,
yeah, I actually think the best, the greatest challenge to
(08:20):
Kamzat Chamayev has been GilbertDoreno Burns.
He dropped him.
He also took him down, likeGilbert Burns, who fights at
lightweight and obviously amultiple-time world champion,
like Gi world champion, twotimes no-gi world champion, like
one of the best no-gi grapplersand super seasoned, beat the
(08:43):
fuck out of him.
Like obviously took a beatingtoo.
You know he took a lot ofdamage, but that was such a
close fight, yeah, you know, andso you look at that and you go.
Well, the only way to reallychallenge the pedigree of
Kamsats wrestling is someonethat's got elite level wrestling
and potentially jiu-jitsu aswell.
Yeah, you've got to be able tooffer some kind of resistance
(09:05):
against his number one skill set.
I mean, you know where I wheredracus to give him credit, where
he did offer resistance.
He he didn't let comes up,choke him no, that was good, and
he didn't let him.
He didn't let him fucking.
Uh, arm lock him or shoulderlock him in the crucifix, which
is what you're like.
All right, fair enough.
But I mean, whatever you lookat the outcome.
(09:26):
Just a quick note on what itmade me feel about Dreykus.
I'll just say this for maybesome other people feeling this I
didn't like Dreykus when Ifirst saw him.
No, he's a polarizing characterand, like the Dean of Mean,
keith Jardine, awkward, has anugly style, awkward and and you
(09:46):
know, you come, if youappreciate guys like Anderson
Silva or Alex Pajero or fucking,or guys like comes out, or
Khabib like, who have beautifulmovement.
Yeah, you look at a guy likelike Drikus and you're like, oh,
like it's ugly, right, but uh,there was a.
I feel like, at least for me andfor a lot of people around me,
we actually all started toappreciate Dekus a bit.
You're like, fuck, the guy hasa really ugly fighting style,
(10:09):
but it's effective.
Yeah, and look what he's done.
Right, he fucking smashedeveryone, at least in all the
fights preceding this one.
And also I like his personality.
I've come to appreciate him asa troll and just as a character,
you're like, fuck good on thisguy.
But when he lost in that way, Imean, it doesn't undo all the
(10:33):
stuff I like about him butyou're like, fuck, maybe all
that hype was just.
Maybe it was just hype, maybehe wasn't, maybe it was just a
flash in the pan in terms ofthis guy that was unorthodox,
with this rough style, was ableto fuck up a few of the top guys
of that moment, but then, as afighter, but stylistically, the
(10:54):
UFC is moving its pieces.
Right.
We've got the elite wrestlerover here.
We're going to find out who'sthe elite striker over here and
then we're going to put themtogether.
We do see this orchestration inthe same way.
They kept how did that with who?
Well, no, who is the elitelevel wrestler that Drixus has
beaten?
Yeah, yeah.
(11:16):
Do you know what I'm like?
Yeah, so that's what I'm sayinghere and you know this is
whatever we're getting.
I digress, but if you look athow the ufc builds up its
champions, you know, like you've.
Were they protecting him fromthat?
Yeah, or were the circumstancesprotecting him?
Like yeah.
Was it just that, like, allthose top guys were like upright
(11:37):
fucking strikers?
Yeah, but that's I mean, whydid?
Why did he strickland?
But why did they keep ddp awayfrom comes out for so long?
You know like, why didn't theymeet sooner?
Well, I think I think theyprobably never wanted comes out
at the top, did they?
Yeah, but I mean, it's justwell, I don't think that's
necessarily true.
I think he's probably provingto be more popular and it's the
same thing with khabib.
(11:57):
I mean, I, I don't think Danaever wanted Khabib to be
champion, because Connor was hisgolden boy, right.
But you've got to look at thenumbers and you've got to go.
You know what did.
What did?
What did Khabib say?
He said Ireland, you know, 15million, 30 million, russia, 250
million, I million, I kill you,I smash your boy.
(12:25):
Your little chicken, you knowlike, comes up.
Has it seemed huge fan base inthe um in chicago, which is
where the fight was right, likethe level of cheering he was
getting in chicago was, oh yeah,huge and and ddp was getting
booed and I don't know if it'sjust because he's got that
villain troll persona, right,yeah, but if we throw to someone
(12:47):
like Khabib, who was veryhostile towards Dana and the
organization and kind of didn'tgive a fuck, that was just
unstoppable.
And actually what's funny isI've seen a highlight or it
shouldn't be a highlight, it'sall of like Khabib's worst
punches he's ever thrown, ohyeah, where he just runs in and
like completely like misses, butthen somehow finds a way to the
takedown.
Yeah, you know.
But the dominance of being ableto control the fight and we've
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seen it so many times, like youknow, like, even if we look at
Bilal Muhammad against LeonEdwards Leon Edwards, who's
tough as hell, an amazingstriker, who beat Usman and then
gets absolutely mauled, beatUsman twice, Dude, I couldn't
believe he beat Usman the secondtime no, the confidence is,
(13:31):
yeah, you could see thedifference from the first to the
second.
I think, yeah, but then, yeah,bilal's just like I'm just going
to ragdoll this cunt I meanmaybe that was a bad night for
leon edwards, but I mean,obviously it was a bad night,
but like, maybe he didn't lookquite as good, but yeah, he just
got controlled and mauled.
And that's what we see with somany elite strikers.
That's what khabib did everyone, even if we're talking about
(13:52):
daniel cormier, right?
Oh bro, I shared a highlightclip of dc on my instagram
because I just like I fuckinglove watching that guy's like
wrestling in MMA highlights.
Yeah, he was just so fuckingdominant, yes, um.
And yeah, he ragdolled everyone.
Yeah, you know even people thatbeat him.
He still ragdolled them.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean not Jones, but heragdolled Stipe.
(14:13):
But I think what peopleunderestimate about John Jones
is that he's Greco.
Roman wrestling is pretty elite.
He's clinch works elite.
Yeah, I mean, jones is eliteeverywhere, everywhere,
everywhere.
And you know, in his prime,like you, just he's mixture of
grappling and striking andthat's what makes him so great.
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Today we were talking about thisgrappler-striker matchup and it
(15:15):
got me thinking and I actuallyhad a flash of it when drichas
uh, I think in the fifth round,when drichas managed to get on
comes out to back and you'relike, oh my god, is he.
It was.
I think there was 50 secondsleft.
Something gonna happen here.
Yeah, and uh, it made me thinkchal son and anderson silver.
Oh, there's the matchup you'vebeen asking for before, that
(15:36):
match being the oracle.
No, I had said to a group offriends in Canada as well.
I'd said I actually think ChaelSonnen is the kind of rough and
tumble brawler.
He hasn't got the skill, buthe's got that fuck you and the
toughness, that kind of stiflesskill.
I didn't know.
I wasn't like a huge fan of his.
(15:56):
I was a big Anderson Silva fan.
I still expected Anderson towin.
But I thought to myself is thiswhere the brawler beats the
striker and bro Chael beat theshit out of him, out of fucking
Anderson in that match?
I was like God damn, he fuckingcrueled him for like four
rounds and four and threequarter rounds, yeah.
(16:19):
And then, in front of those thatdidn't see it, anderson Silva
pulls out a triangle from guardDude, like in the last 20
seconds and you're like ifCharles Sondland had just poshed
it up and stood out of theguard and just walked around the
ring, that would have been it.
Yeah, that would have changedthe trajectory of history.
He was so tired, yeah it.
Yeah, that would have changedthe trajectory of history.
(16:40):
He was so tired, it was so.
Yeah, it was, it was outrageous.
But but yeah, I mean, you know,look, the counter to this, the
counter to this dominance thingis then you see a guy like Alex
Perheta Sure and of course hehasn't.
I didn't even see the Ankalayevfight.
(17:01):
A lot of takedowns in it, right, no, but you've got to say that
, like anchor live has superiorgrappling.
Like just, he has a not thesame pedigree as as like islam
or you know, but he's, he, he'strained with the best russian
wrestlers in the world, but healso has heavy fucking hands and
a concrete chin.
Yeah, right, so that reallydictates what happens.
Like he'll take the shots,he'll throw the shots.
You can't take him down.
Like, I think this is the thingthat we're, what we're
(17:23):
underestimating here, cause Iknow there's plenty of my
friends out there keep boxingand boxing aficionados Shout out
Kyle, he loves boxing, eventhough he's not that good at
boxing.
Um, I don't know if he's goingto hear this clips.
I love watching rugby leagueand I'm shit ass.
Yeah, you know, whatever you'rea fan, that's cool, uh.
But he's always like yeah,elite level boxing, I'm like no
dude.
(17:43):
Like elite level boxing ispredicated on your ability to
stay on your feet.
There's no elite level boxingwhen you're on your back, like
it's, you know, it's fuckingnowhere.
And it's that idea that thewrestling dictates where the
fight is.
And if you've also got handswhere you're like well, I want
to stand and bang, well, youcan't take me down, this is bad
for you, you know.
(18:03):
So I think it's this idea of,of being able to control the
fight which people just it'sjust been so underestimated
because the UFC rewards theknockouts.
Yeah, I mean, if you look atguys like um, like Justin
Gaethje, who's who's, who's agreat wrestler in his own right
and has great hands, and becausehe has great wrestling, he can
(18:24):
just choose to throw hands thewhole time.
Yes, he's got excellenttakedown defense and so he shuts
that shit down.
He forces his opponent to stayon their feet.
Now, obviously, khabib came inand just wrestled the fuck out
of him, sure, but that's likeanother level up.
Yeah, that's right.
But so, yeah, it's almost likethe, if you have that wrestling
base, it buys you the privilegeof.
No, I'm just going to keep iton the feet today, thanks, sure,
(18:47):
you know, yeah, and I mean,look, there's always exceptions
to the rule, like, for example,like Bo Nickel, right, everyone
was like really hyping up BoNickel and then he took a bunch
of knees to the body whichbuckled him, yeah, and then he
got fucked up, right, is thatDeridia?
I'm not sure.
Actually, maybe please check, Ican't remember.
I remember watching the matchand just seeing him eat those
(19:10):
knees.
Yeah, oh, my rib cage.
I was like, oh, fuck.
And you know, like Bo, elitelevel wrestler.
But that's the thing it's like.
Obviously, strategy, um,strategy is what it's is all
about.
But if we're looking atsubmission versus ko, really the
, the usc rewards the ko.
The fight of the night isalways the spinning elbow or the
(19:32):
flying knee, right, becauseeveryone's like, whoa, yeah,
even though we'd love to see afinish and I was very much, I
was really hoping that we'd seea finish in that, in that match,
because I thought that couldhappen.
You know, uh, drick is tootough on that.
Ultimately, um, it's so muchmore of a grind, it's so much
less spectacular.
Oh yeah, the, the, the work tomake that happen, yeah, so, even
(19:57):
though it's not sexy, itdoesn't lend itself to a
highlight.
No, even though you do seehighlights of people finishing
even you know Dricker's finisheda bunch of people.
Well, the submission does thesubmission, but the wrestling
control ride time doesn't.
No, yeah, and I mean only ifyou see a spectacular takedown,
do people go whoa?
Yeah, you know, immaculate.
But I think there's so manyexamples of when someone has
(20:23):
comparable striking or maybethey're not as good as this,
striker, like fighter B is notas competent as fighter A, but
good enough to not get knockedout that then the wrestling
plays a part and I think you sawthis when Nate Diaz beat Conor.
I think you saw this whenRafael Dos Anjos beat Nate Diaz,
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just absolutely took him for afucking ride.
We were talking about thatbefore.
That was peak Darsenius on thegear, wasn't it All juice to the
night.
He was unbelievable.
I mean, he was a great straight, he was a kickboxer.
He was one of my greatest sortof disappointments of when they
brought in the increased dopetesting.
Yes, because he was just likewas it?
He just went.
He was five rounds like anenergizer bunny and leg kicking
(21:08):
and everything, yeah, doingeverything all the time.
Yeah, just crazy level.
And then he just dropped backdown to human status Like Vitor.
Yeah, yeah, went from God.
They just popped him God modeand then, yeah, and I look, I
think, the thing we can takeaway from all of this, it
doesn't matter which side of theargument you're on, whether you
think striking is moreimportant or you think like it
(21:31):
is.
Even if you're like, that oldboy is like oh, I prefer the
boxing, it doesn't matter whatthe fuck you prefer, dude, they
can wrestle.
And if wrestling reallydictates where the fight is,
you've.
The standard has gone so high.
Now when, when the champion isan Islam Makachev or it comes up
Chamayev, then well, fuckinghell, you better be a world
(21:53):
champion, at whatever standardyou're at, to be able to deal
with that.
And I think, now that this isthe case, I don't know who
they've got in the division tobe able to deal with him.
No, they've currently got theirtalent scouts fucking trawling
Russia trying to find the nextguy.
I mean, bro, who we got To beable to deal with him.
No, they've currently got theirtalent scouts fucking trawling
Russia Trying to find the nextguy.
I mean, bro, it's who we got.
(22:14):
We got from that eastern sideof the you know the European,
north Asian world.
We got fucking DwalishviliMerab, yeah, yeah, georgian.
We got Kamsat.
We got Islam Actually, islam'snot a champion right now because
he vacated his belt tochallenge Jack de la Magdalena.
Oh, right, right, yeah, so he'snot there.
(22:35):
But you know, we got Islam.
We got fucking Ankhalaev.
Yes, like there's a lot, if youthink of who's at the top of
the brackets.
Yeah, yeah, you know it's, it's, it's these guys that have a
strong wrestling foundation thatare real motherfuckers to deal
with.
And the UFC, I mean, it's always, it's always been funny to me
because America has such aproblem with Russia.
(22:56):
Well, I think, I think,actually, uh, big big D had to
step in and make a specialpardon for Islam to be able to,
for, for, for, for comes up tocome back to the U S.
Big D, yeah, islam to be ableto, for a Kamsat to come back to
the US, big D, yeah, big Donald, oh, really, yeah, he had to
have a special visa allowancebecause he'd gotten into some
kind of trouble that theyweren't going to let him in.
(23:17):
Yeah, okay, and then Dana'sbeen yeah, I mean, he has close
ties to the Chechen fuckingdictator, ramada.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch ofshit there, right, but but it's
interesting because they're solike hey, russia's the enemy,
they're the fucking communists,whatever, but it's like hey, but
we love their fighters in theufc.
These guys are great, let's getthem out here.
Dana's on the phone, and that'swhat I mean.
(23:38):
You get a presidential pardon.
It would be very hard to imaginethat a conversation has not
taken place between big d and,uh, the other big dana, dana, in
terms of Donald saying hey,mate, I need some fucking
American.
Like, I need some all Americansin there.
Bring back Michael Chandler,fuck it, I'll even take Conor
McGregor, We'll call himAmerican.
(23:58):
Like I need some.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, who areall these guys with names I
can't pronounce?
Yeah, it's a challenge, but Imean, this is the truth of
fighting.
It doesn't matter how biased youare.
You know like, you saw Dana'sface when Bilal Muhammad won,
right, like Dana's like fuck, Iwas too busy looking at my own.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thingI don't want to hate on Bilal,
(24:22):
no, no, no, respect to that guy,respect, he's tough as hell,
it's just a style.
That's not, as you know, sure,but then you know you're a
spoiled fan.
You want, you want the fuckingexciting shit.
But then you look at jack,della came through and pieced
him up yeah, right, but I thinkthat was also.
Jack also has that elite levelanti-wrestling which he also got
from fucking craig jones.
(24:43):
Right, I think the rightstrategy implemented is the way,
but the truth, the truth willout.
So either you're fucking goodenough or you're fucking not,
and the result will be theresult.
And it doesn't matter what theUFC wants.
You know it's.
Actually it would be remiss ofus not to drop.
You know cause?
You mentioned JDM just now andCraig Jones, fucking Volkanovski
(25:04):
, of course, volk against Islam.
The way he was able to, yeah,the way he was able to fucking
shut down Islam's wrestling,just nullify it, yeah, and then
turn that into his.
So, you know, maybe Dreek hasgot partway but couldn't fulfill
the.
You know, now you got to putsome punishment on the back of
this defense.
Yeah, I mean, there was a lotof ride time there for Islam.
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But I think the thing thatpeople forget is at no point was
Volk in danger.
No, like Volk the whole timewas like punching him in the
face and being like fucking, youknow, classic.
And I think the thing that hewas spiritually ahead on that
fight, yeah, and Islam was youcould see in his face.
You know, they always havethose close-ups of like Islam,
looking like kind of semi-, semiextra chromosome, like just not
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, I'm just shocked, bro.
He and he was even saying inthe corner, they kind of, you
know, they cut to the corner,chat and then he's so strong
that's what he was sayingkhabib's like what are you doing
?
And he's like, he's so strong,like people.
Just I I think that thestrength of you know, obviously
we have our bias, but if youhave the ability to counter the
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wrestling and you have theathletic advantage, it makes a
huge difference.
But right now the wrestlers aredominating.
Love it or hate it, that iswhat it is.
You.
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Grappling is greater thanstriking for MMA.
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Oh, recently, joe, we had avery dominant display of
wrestling versus striking.
A classic style matchup in MMAcomes up to my of being
extremely dominant against DDP.
But we've seen it before and itreally you know, it's been
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talked about before that justwrestling makes a difference in
MMA.
The fair weather fans at pubsaround the world were up in arms
.
That was so upsetting.
I didn't come here to see thisgay shit.
I was in the pub having thisold boy pull up to me no, I
prefer boxing personally and Iwas like, bro, you're in the
wrong pub, you're watching thewrong thing, get lost.
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This is not what that's goingto be.
And look, even Rob Whittakerhad said if you thought the
match was boring, then you are acasual.
That was his take right.
And look, I would have loved tohave seen Kamsa maybe submit
DDP, you know, but he's a toughguy, he, you know.
He fought that a lot.
But what was so frustratingabout.
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It was Drikus' just total lackof regard for the standard of
wrestling that comes up to myhat.
He was standing super high.
He's throwing a kick.
You're like bro, do you want toget taken down?
Yeah, what are you doing?
And I think it was Dominic Cruzwas saying this is the era of
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the wrestler.
Like you know, like grapplingwas going to come to dominate
MMA more and more, because he'stalking about Islam as well.
Like how dominant he has beenusing his grappling.
I mean, obviously he can striketoo.
He's had KOs but really it'soff this base of elite level
wrestling which is nullifyingthe ability for strikers to do
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their thing.
Yeah, and we've seen many kindof famous examples of it before.
I was actually talking to arandom guy.
There was a guy there at thepub with his kid and his kid was
just running wild.
He's like yeah, sure, son,whatever you need.
He's like dad, can I haveanother Coke?
He's like yep, here's 10 bucks,just sort it out.
I'm watching the fights.
You know he's having some beerson a Saturday, whatever.
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And anyway, he's like he's seenthat I'm paying attention to
the fights.
He's like oh, what do youreckon?
And I said, mate, I think thisis going to be like a Khabib
Connor type setup.
Really, if the striker can'tget in those good shots, it's
just a matter of time Like thegrappler is going to wear that
person down, take them down andyou know, most likely finish
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them and you know.
Obviously we have the advantageof retrospect to see how that
played out.
But if someone has that elitelevel wrestling pedigree and
that's the thing that people Ithink people don't appreciate as
much as people know comes outis crazy guy, tough guy, been
fighting a long time.
He was training with theRussian team.
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Essentially he was doing roundswith satellite of you time.
He was training with theRussian team.
Essentially he was doing roundswith Satellaev.
You know he was training underthe Satiev brothers coach, the
original coach.
His name is Dmitry Mindiashvili.
I'm saying that wrong, but yeah, like the legendary coach,
right and so Maybe a Georgian?
Well, I don't know, I don'tthink he's Georgian.
Well, I don't know, I don'tthink he's Georgian.
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Could be a fucking Georgian, Idon't think he's Georgian.
Anyway, it says he's Russianand I think on the countdown it
actually because it showed himhe was training at this elite
Russian facility and he waspointing out Sadalayev and
Satiev brothers.
And then I think they actuallyhad they showed a clip of him
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training with satiev as an oldman.
Maybe adam, uh, busavir busavirhas passed away.
Rp, oh, wow, legend of the game.
But it might have been.
Maybe adam satiev his brother,yeah, okay, but they're both
legends and and I think this isthe thing that we, you know,
don't get me wrong when you lookat like an elite level striker
of any sort, it's taken themtheir lifetime to be that elite.
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You know, like it's taken them20 years since they were boxing,
since they were eight orwhatever it might be.
But without a proper plan forthe wrestling, it's just you
can't do anything withoutfootwork.
Striking is really based on thatdistance control and and
footwork and everything likethat.
And really, you know, we'veseen, like you know, comes out,
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shoot from.
You know, when he shot in onRob Whitaker, he shot in from
the other side of the cage.
Yeah, he shoots from such adistance, he's so fearless, he's
not afraid to get need in thehead.
He's just like, yep, he's justlike yep, I'm coming in, I'm
taking you down.
And then they talk about ridetime or control time, where I
think it was the second highestamount of control time in the
history of UFC.
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It was like 21 minutes 40seconds Just on him In a
25-minute fight, just on him thewhole time.
Pretty absurd, yeah.
And look, yeah, I mean how didyou feel about that match and
what did you take from the kindof wrestling in that I mean I
like the match, uh, you know, I,I.
I think for anyone that's likemildly engaged in the sport,
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it's not, it's not just thefight, right, it's the whole
context of it.
Yes, and so contextually, itwas fucking sick.
Yes, you know, comes out, didwhat you would expect, comes out
to do, to do.
And I was disappointed inDrikus because and I mean the
guy's obviously a great fighter,but just the fact that he had
zero answer for the wrestling Ithought I gave him, I was like
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first two rounds, yeah, thestrategy might be to let comes
out, like burn up a bit of juicein control positions Because,
like holding that crucifix andshit, like none of that's easy,
right?
No, and this is the casuals,don't get this.
But to lie on top of someone inthat way, controlling both of
their arms, and be able tofucking hold against them a
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monstrous, strong, kind likeDreykus yeah, that's so hard to
do, yes, and so you know peoplelike why didn't he, you know,
why didn't he hit him?
Why didn't he posture up andfight?
And you're like, cause you losethe position, like if you've
been there, yeah, right, it'shard to be there.
No-transcript.
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Yeah, um, so that wasdisappointing, but I reckon
there's something like I don'tknow, I almost there wasn't even
any jujitsu, right, like it'sMMA, and so there was even some
comments from a few commentatorssaying he didn't even go to
like a guard, like if you knowyou're getting taken down.
At least a point of safety isnot side control.
Yeah, even though there wasmoments of like kind of half
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guard, which was kind of halfassed.
If he'd done something to puthis legs between himself and
comes up like at least thatwould have provided some form of
defense.
Yeah, but there was none ofthat which is, yeah, yeah,
regardless of if you are someonewho watches the uc sometimes or
you watch it all the time andyou're obsessed with it, yeah,
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it was so, um, there's such astark contrast when we compare
other matches that Kamsat's hadand he's been met with more
resistance, yeah, and I thinkthat that was the big tell,
wasn't it?
That's like you think about hisearlier fights where he's met
guys who can wrestle, cangrapple Usman.
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Yeah, a lot of people talkingabout how well that fight has
aged, with Usman's ability todefend the takedown and hang
with him and strike with likeput some work on him.
Yeah, and Usman took that likewhen he was on the downhill and,
yeah, I actually think the best, the greatest challenge to
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Kamzat Chamayev has been GilbertDoreno Burns.
He dropped him.
He also took him down, likeGilbert Burns, who fights at
lightweight and obviously amultiple-time world champion,
like Gi world champion, twotimes no-gi world champion, like
one of the best no-gi grapplersand super seasoned, beat the
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fuck out of him.
Like obviously took a beatingtoo.
You know he took a lot ofdamage, but that was such a
close fight, yeah, you know, andso you look at that and you go.
Well, the only way to reallychallenge the pedigree of
Kamsats wrestling is someonethat's got elite level wrestling
and potentially jiu-jitsu aswell.
Yeah, you've got to be able tooffer some kind of resistance
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against his number one skill set.
I mean, you know where I wheredracus to give him credit, where
he did offer resistance.
He he didn't let comes up,choke him no, that was good, and
he didn't let him.
He didn't let him fucking.
Uh, arm lock him or shoulderlock him in the crucifix, which
is what you're like.
All right, fair enough.
But I mean, whatever you lookat the outcome.
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Just a quick note on what itmade me feel about Dreykus.
I'll just say this for maybesome other people feeling this I
didn't like Dreykus when Ifirst saw him.
No, he's a polarizing characterand, like the Dean of Mean,
keith Jardine, awkward, has anugly style, awkward and and you
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know, you come, if youappreciate guys like Anderson
Silva or Alex Pajero or fucking,or guys like comes out, or
Khabib like, who have beautifulmovement.
Yeah, you look at a guy likelike Drikus and you're like, oh,
like it's ugly, right, but uh,there was a.
I feel like, at least for me andfor a lot of people around me,
we actually all started toappreciate Dekus a bit.
You're like, fuck, the guy hasa really ugly fighting style,
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but it's effective.
Yeah, and look what he's done.
Right, he fucking smashedeveryone, at least in all the
fights preceding this one.
And also I like his personality.
I've come to appreciate him asa troll and just as a character,
you're like, fuck good on thisguy.
But when he lost in that way, Imean, it doesn't undo all the
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stuff I like about him butyou're like, fuck, maybe all
that hype was just.
Maybe it was just hype, maybehe wasn't, maybe it was just a
flash in the pan in terms ofthis guy that was unorthodox,
with this rough style, was ableto fuck up a few of the top guys
of that moment, but then, as afighter, but stylistically, the
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UFC is moving its pieces.
Right.
We've got the elite wrestlerover here.
We're going to find out who'sthe elite striker over here and
then we're going to put themtogether.
We do see this orchestration inthe same way.
They kept how did that with who?
Well, no, who is the elitelevel wrestler that Drixus has
beaten?
Yeah, yeah.
(11:16):
Do you know what I'm like?
Yeah, so that's what I'm sayinghere and you know this is
whatever we're getting.
I digress, but if you look athow the ufc builds up its
champions, you know, like you've.
Were they protecting him fromthat?
Yeah, or were the circumstancesprotecting him?
Like yeah.
Was it just that, like, allthose top guys were like upright
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fucking strikers?
Yeah, but that's I mean, whydid?
Why did he strickland?
But why did they keep ddp awayfrom comes out for so long?
You know like, why didn't theymeet sooner?
Well, I think I think theyprobably never wanted comes out
at the top, did they?
Yeah, but I mean, it's justwell, I don't think that's
necessarily true.
I think he's probably provingto be more popular and it's the
same thing with khabib.
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I mean, I, I don't think Danaever wanted Khabib to be
champion, because Connor was hisgolden boy, right.
But you've got to look at thenumbers and you've got to go.
You know what did.
What did?
What did Khabib say?
He said Ireland, you know, 15million, 30 million, russia, 250
million, I million, I kill you,I smash your boy.
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Your little chicken, you knowlike, comes up.
Has it seemed huge fan base inthe um in chicago, which is
where the fight was right, likethe level of cheering he was
getting in chicago was, oh yeah,huge and and ddp was getting
booed and I don't know if it'sjust because he's got that
villain troll persona, right,yeah, but if we throw to someone
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like Khabib, who was veryhostile towards Dana and the
organization and kind of didn'tgive a fuck, that was just
unstoppable.
And actually what's funny isI've seen a highlight or it
shouldn't be a highlight, it'sall of like Khabib's worst
punches he's ever thrown, ohyeah, where he just runs in and
like completely like misses, butthen somehow finds a way to the
takedown.
Yeah, you know.
But the dominance of being ableto control the fight and we've
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seen it so many times, like youknow, like, even if we look at
Bilal Muhammad against LeonEdwards Leon Edwards, who's
tough as hell, an amazingstriker, who beat Usman and then
gets absolutely mauled, beatUsman twice, Dude, I couldn't
believe he beat Usman the secondtime no, the confidence is,
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yeah, you could see thedifference from the first to the
second.
I think, yeah, but then, yeah,bilal's just like I'm just going
to ragdoll this cunt I meanmaybe that was a bad night for
leon edwards, but I mean,obviously it was a bad night,
but like, maybe he didn't lookquite as good, but yeah, he just
got controlled and mauled.
And that's what we see with somany elite strikers.
That's what khabib did everyone, even if we're talking about
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daniel cormier, right?
Oh bro, I shared a highlightclip of dc on my instagram
because I just like I fuckinglove watching that guy's like
wrestling in MMA highlights.
Yeah, he was just so fuckingdominant, yes, um.
And yeah, he ragdolled everyone.
Yeah, you know even people thatbeat him.
He still ragdolled them.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean not Jones, but heragdolled Stipe.
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But I think what peopleunderestimate about John Jones
is that he's Greco.
Roman wrestling is pretty elite.
He's clinch works elite.
Yeah, I mean, jones is eliteeverywhere, everywhere,
everywhere.
And you know, in his prime,like you, just he's mixture of
grappling and striking andthat's what makes him so great.
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Today we were talking about thisgrappler-striker matchup and it
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got me thinking and I actuallyhad a flash of it when drichas
uh, I think in the fifth round,when drichas managed to get on
comes out to back and you'relike, oh my god, is he.
It was.
I think there was 50 secondsleft.
Something gonna happen here.
Yeah, and uh, it made me thinkchal son and anderson silver.
Oh, there's the matchup you'vebeen asking for before, that
(15:36):
match being the oracle.
No, I had said to a group offriends in Canada as well.
I'd said I actually think ChaelSonnen is the kind of rough and
tumble brawler.
He hasn't got the skill, buthe's got that fuck you and the
toughness, that kind of stiflesskill.
I didn't know.
I wasn't like a huge fan of his.
(15:56):
I was a big Anderson Silva fan.
I still expected Anderson towin.
But I thought to myself is thiswhere the brawler beats the
striker and bro Chael beat theshit out of him, out of fucking
Anderson in that match?
I was like God damn, he fuckingcrueled him for like four
rounds and four and threequarter rounds, yeah.
(16:19):
And then, in front of those thatdidn't see it, anderson Silva
pulls out a triangle from guardDude, like in the last 20
seconds and you're like ifCharles Sondland had just poshed
it up and stood out of theguard and just walked around the
ring, that would have been it.
Yeah, that would have changedthe trajectory of history.
He was so tired, yeah it.
Yeah, that would have changedthe trajectory of history.
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He was so tired, it was so.
Yeah, it was, it was outrageous.
But but yeah, I mean, you know,look, the counter to this, the
counter to this dominance thingis then you see a guy like Alex
Perheta Sure and of course hehasn't.
I didn't even see the Ankalayevfight.
(17:01):
A lot of takedowns in it, right, no, but you've got to say that
, like anchor live has superiorgrappling.
Like just, he has a not thesame pedigree as as like islam
or you know, but he's, he, he'strained with the best russian
wrestlers in the world, but healso has heavy fucking hands and
a concrete chin.
Yeah, right, so that reallydictates what happens.
Like he'll take the shots,he'll throw the shots.
You can't take him down.
Like, I think this is the thingthat we're, what we're
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underestimating here, cause Iknow there's plenty of my
friends out there keep boxingand boxing aficionados Shout out
Kyle, he loves boxing, eventhough he's not that good at
boxing.
Um, I don't know if he's goingto hear this clips.
I love watching rugby leagueand I'm shit ass.
Yeah, you know, whatever you'rea fan, that's cool, uh.
But he's always like yeah,elite level boxing, I'm like no
dude.
(17:43):
Like elite level boxing ispredicated on your ability to
stay on your feet.
There's no elite level boxingwhen you're on your back, like
it's, you know, it's fuckingnowhere.
And it's that idea that thewrestling dictates where the
fight is.
And if you've also got handswhere you're like well, I want
to stand and bang, well, youcan't take me down, this is bad
for you, you know.
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So I think it's this idea of,of being able to control the
fight which people just it'sjust been so underestimated
because the UFC rewards theknockouts.
Yeah, I mean, if you look atguys like um, like Justin
Gaethje, who's who's, who's agreat wrestler in his own right
and has great hands, and becausehe has great wrestling, he can
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just choose to throw hands thewhole time.
Yes, he's got excellenttakedown defense and so he shuts
that shit down.
He forces his opponent to stayon their feet.
Now, obviously, khabib came inand just wrestled the fuck out
of him, sure, but that's likeanother level up.
Yeah, that's right.
But so, yeah, it's almost likethe, if you have that wrestling
base, it buys you the privilegeof.
No, I'm just going to keep iton the feet today, thanks, sure,
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you know, yeah, and I mean,look, there's always exceptions
to the rule, like, for example,like Bo Nickel, right, everyone
was like really hyping up BoNickel and then he took a bunch
of knees to the body whichbuckled him, yeah, and then he
got fucked up, right, is thatDeridia?
I'm not sure.
Actually, maybe please check, Ican't remember.
I remember watching the matchand just seeing him eat those
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knees.
Yeah, oh, my rib cage.
I was like, oh, fuck.
And you know, like Bo, elitelevel wrestler.
But that's the thing it's like.
Obviously, strategy, um,strategy is what it's is all
about.
But if we're looking atsubmission versus ko, really the
, the usc rewards the ko.
The fight of the night isalways the spinning elbow or the
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flying knee, right, becauseeveryone's like, whoa, yeah,
even though we'd love to see afinish and I was very much, I
was really hoping that we'd seea finish in that, in that match,
because I thought that couldhappen.
You know, uh, drick is tootough on that.
Ultimately, um, it's so muchmore of a grind, it's so much
less spectacular.
Oh yeah, the, the, the work tomake that happen, yeah, so, even
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though it's not sexy, itdoesn't lend itself to a
highlight.
No, even though you do seehighlights of people finishing
even you know Dricker's finisheda bunch of people.
Well, the submission does thesubmission, but the wrestling
control ride time doesn't.
No, yeah, and I mean only ifyou see a spectacular takedown,
do people go whoa?
Yeah, you know, immaculate.
But I think there's so manyexamples of when someone has
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comparable striking or maybethey're not as good as this,
striker, like fighter B is notas competent as fighter A, but
good enough to not get knockedout that then the wrestling
plays a part and I think you sawthis when Nate Diaz beat Conor.
I think you saw this whenRafael Dos Anjos beat Nate Diaz,
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just absolutely took him for afucking ride.
We were talking about thatbefore.
That was peak Darsenius on thegear, wasn't it All juice to the
night.
He was unbelievable.
I mean, he was a great straight, he was a kickboxer.
He was one of my greatest sortof disappointments of when they
brought in the increased dopetesting.
Yes, because he was just likewas it?
He just went.
He was five rounds like anenergizer bunny and leg kicking
(21:08):
and everything, yeah, doingeverything all the time.
Yeah, just crazy level.
And then he just dropped backdown to human status Like Vitor.
Yeah, yeah, went from God.
They just popped him God modeand then, yeah, and I look, I
think, the thing we can takeaway from all of this, it
doesn't matter which side of theargument you're on, whether you
think striking is moreimportant or you think like it
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is.
Even if you're like, that oldboy is like oh, I prefer the
boxing, it doesn't matter whatthe fuck you prefer, dude, they
can wrestle.
And if wrestling reallydictates where the fight is,
you've.
The standard has gone so high.
Now when, when the champion isan Islam Makachev or it comes up
Chamayev, then well, fuckinghell, you better be a world
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champion, at whatever standardyou're at, to be able to deal
with that.
And I think, now that this isthe case, I don't know who
they've got in the division tobe able to deal with him.
No, they've currently got theirtalent scouts fucking trawling
Russia trying to find the nextguy.
I mean, bro, who we got To beable to deal with him.
No, they've currently got theirtalent scouts fucking trawling
Russia Trying to find the nextguy.
I mean, bro, it's who we got.
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We got from that eastern sideof the you know the European,
north Asian world.
We got fucking DwalishviliMerab, yeah, yeah, georgian.
We got Kamsat.
We got Islam Actually, islam'snot a champion right now because
he vacated his belt tochallenge Jack de la Magdalena.
Oh, right, right, yeah, so he'snot there.
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But you know, we got Islam.
We got fucking Ankhalaev.
Yes, like there's a lot, if youthink of who's at the top of
the brackets.
Yeah, yeah, you know it's, it's, it's these guys that have a
strong wrestling foundation thatare real motherfuckers to deal
with.
And the UFC, I mean, it's always, it's always been funny to me
because America has such aproblem with Russia.
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Well, I think, I think,actually, uh, big big D had to
step in and make a specialpardon for Islam to be able to,
for, for, for, for comes up tocome back to the U S.
Big D, yeah, islam to be ableto, for a Kamsat to come back to
the US, big D, yeah, big Donald, oh, really, yeah, he had to
have a special visa allowancebecause he'd gotten into some
kind of trouble that theyweren't going to let him in.
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Yeah, okay, and then Dana'sbeen yeah, I mean, he has close
ties to the Chechen fuckingdictator, ramada.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch ofshit there, right, but but it's
interesting because they're solike hey, russia's the enemy,
they're the fucking communists,whatever, but it's like hey, but
we love their fighters in theufc.
These guys are great, let's getthem out here.
Dana's on the phone, and that'swhat I mean.
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You get a presidential pardon.
It would be very hard to imaginethat a conversation has not
taken place between big d and,uh, the other big dana, dana, in
terms of Donald saying hey,mate, I need some fucking
American.
Like, I need some all Americansin there.
Bring back Michael Chandler,fuck it, I'll even take Conor
McGregor, We'll call himAmerican.
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Like I need some.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, who areall these guys with names I
can't pronounce?
Yeah, it's a challenge, but Imean, this is the truth of
fighting.
It doesn't matter how biased youare.
You know like, you saw Dana'sface when Bilal Muhammad won,
right, like Dana's like fuck, Iwas too busy looking at my own.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thingI don't want to hate on Bilal,
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no, no, no, respect to that guy,respect, he's tough as hell,
it's just a style.
That's not, as you know, sure,but then you know you're a
spoiled fan.
You want, you want the fuckingexciting shit.
But then you look at jack,della came through and pieced
him up yeah, right, but I thinkthat was also.
Jack also has that elite levelanti-wrestling which he also got
from fucking craig jones.
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Right, I think the rightstrategy implemented is the way,
but the truth, the truth willout.
So either you're fucking goodenough or you're fucking not,
and the result will be theresult.
And it doesn't matter what theUFC wants.
You know it's.
Actually it would be remiss ofus not to drop.
You know cause?
You mentioned JDM just now andCraig Jones, fucking Volkanovski
(25:04):
, of course, volk against Islam.
The way he was able to, yeah,the way he was able to fucking
shut down Islam's wrestling,just nullify it, yeah, and then
turn that into his.
So, you know, maybe Dreek hasgot partway but couldn't fulfill
the.
You know, now you got to putsome punishment on the back of
this defense.
Yeah, I mean, there was a lotof ride time there for Islam.
(25:28):
But I think the thing thatpeople forget is at no point was
Volk in danger.
No, like Volk the whole timewas like punching him in the
face and being like fucking, youknow, classic.
And I think the thing that hewas spiritually ahead on that
fight, yeah, and Islam was youcould see in his face.
You know, they always havethose close-ups of like Islam,
looking like kind of semi-, semiextra chromosome, like just not
(25:50):
, I'm just shocked, bro.
He and he was even saying inthe corner, they kind of, you
know, they cut to the corner,chat and then he's so strong
that's what he was sayingkhabib's like what are you doing
?
And he's like, he's so strong,like people.
Just I I think that thestrength of you know, obviously
we have our bias, but if youhave the ability to counter the
(26:13):
wrestling and you have theathletic advantage, it makes a
huge difference.
But right now the wrestlers aredominating.
Love it or hate it, that iswhat it is.
You.
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