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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Welcome to the Bulletproof for BJJ Q&A episode.
Today.
We've got a couple of questionsfrom you guys, and if you want
to leave us a question, go anddo it now so we can feature it
on an upcoming episode.
Go to the webpagebulletproofforbjjcom, hit the
podcast tab and there's a nicebig red button.
Record us a voicemail.
We love to hear from you guys.
It's where we get to have aconnection with those around the
(00:54):
world and it really means a lotto us.
And also, you probably got someshit that you're wondering
about your jiu-jitsu journey orperhaps your work in the gym
strength, mobility and we'remore than happy to share our
semi-professional insights onthat.
And so let's go into our firstone coming in.
Let's go no name on this.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey guys, mitch from Vancouver here, big fan, I can
touch my toes during warm-up,thanks to you guys.
I'm a 46-year-old purple belt,been training a little over five
years.
Bit of a mindset question howto kind of focus my training,
particularly in the context ofattacks, although I guess it
applies anywhere.
I'm not athletic bad hand-eyecoordination, all that stuff but
(01:37):
I'm in good shape, prettystrong.
Work out all that stuff.
Mobility work out all thatstuff.
Mobility.
I have a few attack systems,guards, I guess we call them.
Where I'm good, happy with,where I'm at, able to give
people trouble, and I end upjust kind of funneling my roles
(02:02):
towards those and working fromthere for most of the time.
Should I be kind of trying tobroaden my horizons or just get
those little improvements inthere on the stuff I'm already
good at, kind of the guy whothrows a thousand kicks once or
whatever?
That saying is kind of question, I guess.
Am I doing myself a disserviceby trying to get that you know,
(02:27):
omoplata from Collar Sleeveperfect or um, should I just
keep trying to become excellentat the things I'm good at?
Uh, thanks for your time again.
Really, uh, love the show.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Awesome, mitch from Vancouver.
What a legend.
Thanks, mitch.
Cool fucking city, great city,I think.
Relevant to that, you actuallyneed to do both, but you got to
go somewhere first.
The first step is to try to getas good at the thing as you can
be that you're like yeah, Ifeel I have a good level of
(03:03):
proficiency here and it's goodfor you to get feedback from
your coach.
So it's not just you pattingyourself on the back.
Your coach goes no, you'rereally good there.
You should try and expand yourgame, you know.
And the other thing is thissometimes, how effective you're
being with a technique candetermine, like can be.
You can be more effective orless effective based on the
(03:24):
setup.
So, even though you might think, oh man, I'm not good at this
technique, you might just be notsetting it up the right way.
And so, therefore, knowing adifferent sweep or knowing a
different position will make youactually more effective at the
thing.
Like a piece of advice that wasgiven to me by uh Cabrinha was
that um, if you really want toget a submission, fake a sweep,
(03:48):
which will create an opening forthe attack.
In the same way, if you reallywant to get a particular sweep,
fake an attack to get them toreact which will open up the
sweep, and I'd never heard thatbefore and I was like God damn,
that's like genius level.
Maybe that seems very simple tomost folks, but once I started
doing that, that improved bothmy sweeping and my um
(04:08):
submissions.
So I think that you canactually get better at what
you're already doing by doingsomething different yeah, like
that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think, um, I mean, you know, when you said that
you've got like two to threedifferent attack systems, I'm
thinking fuck, that seems like alot, a lot yeah yeah, and if,
if I mean I've got one, you know, just to put it in context.
So I'm like, well, if you gottwo or three, I would think
probably don't add more, I wouldadd more complexity to those
existing systems.
(04:36):
Um, you know, more nuance, moreperfection, more precision, all
that sort of stuff.
And I'd look to explore otherareas of my game outside of my.
You know my guard attacks, butso you know, I think, what you
can take from our, our sort ofopinion, and I'd look to explore
other areas of my game outsideof my.
You know my guard attacks, butso you know, I think what you
can take from our, our sort ofopinion there is that it's up to
you.
But I definitely don't thinkyou need to be rushing to go and
like, acquire a new guard andand start to build that I can
(04:57):
tell you Mitch is a black belt,that I am so aware of my
unfamiliarity with the majorityof techniques in jujitsu, and
that's just me, right, and Ireally am.
And while I don't think thatthat's something you should
necessarily strive for, I tellyou that so that you can
understand that you know, mostpeople will never grasp all like
(05:19):
.
No one will ever grasp all ofit.
It's just too much.
It's too vast, definitely.
So you know.
Make from that what you will.
There are a bunch of choices outthere for your strength and
mobility training and when itcomes to choosing a program,
it's really hard to sift throughwhat's good and what's not.
One thing I can guarantee youis that the Bulletproof for BJJ
app is exactly what you need asa busy grappler who wants to
(05:41):
prioritize time on the mat,which means you're not spending
hours upon hours in the gym eachweek.
But you also want the biggestreturns in terms of your
performance on the mats and alsoyour recovery off.
The bulletproof for BJJ app hasyou covered.
You can take a two-week freetrial right now, and if you go
beyond that and you commit to asubscription and you get a few
weeks in, you realize you knowwhat I don't love this.
(06:02):
We give you a 100% money backguarantee.
So nothing, nothing to wait for.
Jump into the two-week freetrial right now.
Go to the App Store, searchBulletproof for BJJ and we'll
see you on the inside.
Question number two Mike Jones.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
What's up, joey and JT?
My name is Mike Jones.
I'm sending in this questionfrom Richmond, virginia, where I
train at Upstream BJJ.
Shout out to all the homiesthere if you're listening.
I've been thinking aboutsending a question for a while,
but after your episode on trainmobility I had to ask.
So just as a quick background,I'm 34.
I just recently discovered BJJabout six months ago so I'm
(06:42):
pretty fresh, but I want to makesure that I have longevity on
the mat.
So I want to improve myflexibility and mobility.
So my question is what should Ilook for in a good program?
Number two, personally with me,my knees are a big issue for me
.
Like I can't sit very well onmy knees, as I see most people
doing in BJJ, and now, as timehas gone on, I've noticed like I
(07:07):
feel like I had a little jointinfusions in my knees, just like
limiting my range of motion.
So I also want to work on myhips and ankles.
So my question is you know, whatshould I look for?
What should I focus on in termsof mobility and flexibility and
mobility?
Lastly, I know you guys haveyour program out there.
So if I were to try yourprogram, how much progress would
(07:29):
you expect me to make afterjust two weeks of the trial
period to know that I am makingeffective progress?
So that's my question.
Thank you, guys, so much Againappreciate what y'all do.
Keep it up, thank you, thankyou, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Mike, you're a legend Legend.
That's a good question actuallyabout like how far can I get in
two weeks?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, look that's pretty open-ended right.
So, speaking to your point,there's many folks in BJJ who
really struggle to fully flextheir knees.
You know, for various reasons,whether they've been doing it a
long time or a short time, andthere is a few contributing
(08:09):
factors, you know, and for manypeople they have a lot of
tightness around their kneecaps,their quads, their calves, and
it can feel like really painfuland jammy in the knee.
One of the easiest ways foryourself to start to improve
your full knee flexion is byhelping yourself squat through
some assistance, right.
And we do have certain easierprogressions within mobility
within our program that you canwork on that.
(08:31):
I believe you can get reallygood improvements in a fairly
short time if you are consistent.
Here's the caveat we don't knowyour current level.
You might be on a real bad oneand so it might take you longer
than you expect.
But if you're pretty close tofull flexion, maybe it might
take you longer than you expect.
But if you're pretty close tofull flexion, maybe it will take
you less time.
But this is the caveat Ifyou're doing lots of jujitsu and
(08:54):
you're not doing much mobility,it will take you much longer to
progress.
But if you are doing, say,three jujitsu sessions a week
and you're doing mobility withevery session and working on it
on the in between days, in twoweeks you could get great gains.
But that is the caveat.
it's got to be how muchdependent yeah, how much time
(09:16):
are you actually spendingimproving this movement quality?
If you're spending a goodamount of time on it and you're
following our program, you willsee significant improvements in
two weeks.
But if you you're not, youwon't.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I think oh.
And what should he be lookingfor in a good mobility program?
That was his main.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Look, there's a bunch of programs out there, right,
and I think it has to be amixture of dynamic work as well
as longer hold work andpotentially a little bit of
loaded work, and I believethat's where a lot of programs
fall down.
There's not many programs outthere that are teaching loaded
(09:55):
stretching, and it is acomponent of our program.
So I think there are some good.
There's many good programs outthere, but they're missing key
factors.
Your take, joe.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So the knee thing yeah, could be a bunch of
different things.
I have encountered people whojust simply cannot do that
Mechanically.
They can't kneel down on theirshins right and sit in that kind
of SESA position that we see alot in martial arts.
Some folks have certainmobility restrictions that, due
(10:29):
to the shapes of their jointsand connective tissues and
whatnot, they'll never be ableto achieve certain positions,
right.
So some people will havecertain limitations that require
them to spend more time on it.
And then, at the other end ofthe spectrum, you have people
that are just gifted with thisshit, right.
So we don't know where you'reat with that.
Mike, what I would say is, ifyou sit in that position and you
feel really restricted there,do some of the assisted
(10:51):
squatting work, like JT wassaying, where you're really
focusing on the flexion, butalso try getting into that
position.
But before you sit down towardsyour heels, put some kind of
block.
I used to use like an ab mat,or you can use a broomstick.
Joe actually did a really goodvideo on this a little while
back.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I used to use like an ab mat, or you can use a
broomstick.
Joel actually did a really goodvideo on this a little while
back, about restoring kneefunction.
It's on the YouTube, isn't itOn the YouTube channel?
We'll get Jack to link it below.
Yeah, sick.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But yeah, if you put a wedge like a broomstick into
the back of your knee joint andthen sit down, that wedge
actually helps to create spaceor a gap in the knee joint,
which for some people and for mewhen I was coming back from
knee surgery, was actually thekey for me to be able to
increase range of motion there.
So have a little try of that.
What you'd be looking for in agood program.
(11:37):
Look, here's what we know aboutprograms.
Yes, to what JT said.
Right, it's the differentelements of flexibility training
that are going to produce themost well-rounded response.
But the best program is the onethat you can follow.
Yes, and so you know, whateverit is, I would say just start
something and give it six months, right, you probably won't know
(11:59):
much in two weeks time.
Yeah, you might.
You might notice some quickgains and be like fuck, this is
sick, or you might not, andthose gains might come at six
weeks or eight weeks or fuckingsix months, and so in that way I
would focus like jujitsu, right, it's kind of like asking um,
how much jujitsu do I, how manyweeks, before I know if I'm good
at it or not?
And it's like you just do it,man.
(12:21):
You just got to commit to theprocess.
So I'd say, yeah, six weekswould be good.
What you are looking for issomething that's addressing hips
, trunk, shoulders, and when Isay trunk, that's, you know,
spine.
They're the kind of three maincomponents that make up the
majority of your movement, andso, as long as you're doing
something along those lines, Ithink you're good.
Here's what I would say If youfollowed Mobility Foundation on
(12:43):
our app for six weeks and youdidn't notice some kind of
beneficial improvement, I wouldbe shocked.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, and hey, you know what?
We give you your money back,yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If you get in there and you're like boys paid for it
did it wasn't my thing.
Just let us know and we'll giveyou your money back when our
questions are, it's no problem.
Would love you to do it andwould love to get a future
fucking check-in from you on thepodcast voicemail here letting
us know how you're going.
That'd be awesome, legend.
Thank you for the questionstoday, guys.
If you got one for us, go tobulletproofforbjjcom podcast tab
(13:15):
, record a voicemail and we'llfeature you on an upcoming
episode.
Peace, peace you.
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Welcome to the Bulletproof for BJJ Q&A episode.
Today.
We've got a couple of questionsfrom you guys, and if you want
to leave us a question, go anddo it now so we can feature it
on an upcoming episode.
Go to the webpagebulletproofforbjjcom, hit the
podcast tab and there's a nicebig red button.
Record us a voicemail.
We love to hear from you guys.
It's where we get to have aconnection with those around the
(00:54):
world and it really means a lotto us.
And also, you probably got someshit that you're wondering
about your jiu-jitsu journey orperhaps your work in the gym
strength, mobility and we'remore than happy to share our
semi-professional insights onthat.
And so let's go into our firstone coming in.
Let's go no name on this.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Hey guys, mitch from Vancouver here, big fan, I can
touch my toes during warm-up,thanks to you guys.
I'm a 46-year-old purple belt,been training a little over five
years.
Bit of a mindset question howto kind of focus my training,
particularly in the context ofattacks, although I guess it
applies anywhere.
I'm not athletic bad hand-eyecoordination, all that stuff but
(01:37):
I'm in good shape, prettystrong.
Work out all that stuff.
Mobility work out all thatstuff.
Mobility.
I have a few attack systems,guards, I guess we call them.
Where I'm good, happy with,where I'm at, able to give
people trouble, and I end upjust kind of funneling my roles
(02:02):
towards those and working fromthere for most of the time.
Should I be kind of trying tobroaden my horizons or just get
those little improvements inthere on the stuff I'm already
good at, kind of the guy whothrows a thousand kicks once or
whatever?
That saying is kind of question, I guess.
Am I doing myself a disserviceby trying to get that you know,
(02:27):
omoplata from Collar Sleeveperfect or um, should I just
keep trying to become excellentat the things I'm good at?
Uh, thanks for your time again.
Really, uh, love the show.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Awesome, mitch from Vancouver.
What a legend.
Thanks, mitch.
Cool fucking city, great city,I think.
Relevant to that, you actuallyneed to do both, but you got to
go somewhere first.
The first step is to try to getas good at the thing as you can
be that you're like yeah, Ifeel I have a good level of
(03:03):
proficiency here and it's goodfor you to get feedback from
your coach.
So it's not just you pattingyourself on the back.
Your coach goes no, you'rereally good there.
You should try and expand yourgame, you know.
And the other thing is thissometimes, how effective you're
being with a technique candetermine, like can be.
You can be more effective orless effective based on the
(03:24):
setup.
So, even though you might think, oh man, I'm not good at this
technique, you might just be notsetting it up the right way.
And so, therefore, knowing adifferent sweep or knowing a
different position will make youactually more effective at the
thing.
Like a piece of advice that wasgiven to me by uh Cabrinha was
that um, if you really want toget a submission, fake a sweep,
(03:48):
which will create an opening forthe attack.
In the same way, if you reallywant to get a particular sweep,
fake an attack to get them toreact which will open up the
sweep, and I'd never heard thatbefore and I was like God damn,
that's like genius level.
Maybe that seems very simple tomost folks, but once I started
doing that, that improved bothmy sweeping and my um
(04:08):
submissions.
So I think that you canactually get better at what
you're already doing by doingsomething different yeah, like
that.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think, um, I mean, you know, when you said that
you've got like two to threedifferent attack systems, I'm
thinking fuck, that seems like alot, a lot yeah yeah, and if,
if I mean I've got one, you know, just to put it in context.
So I'm like, well, if you gottwo or three, I would think
probably don't add more, I wouldadd more complexity to those
existing systems.
(04:36):
Um, you know, more nuance, moreperfection, more precision, all
that sort of stuff.
And I'd look to explore otherareas of my game outside of my.
You know my guard attacks, butso you know, I think, what you
can take from our, our sort ofopinion, and I'd look to explore
other areas of my game outsideof my.
You know my guard attacks, butso you know, I think what you
can take from our, our sort ofopinion there is that it's up to
you.
But I definitely don't thinkyou need to be rushing to go and
like, acquire a new guard andand start to build that I can
(04:57):
tell you Mitch is a black belt,that I am so aware of my
unfamiliarity with the majorityof techniques in jujitsu, and
that's just me, right, and Ireally am.
And while I don't think thatthat's something you should
necessarily strive for, I tellyou that so that you can
understand that you know, mostpeople will never grasp all like
(05:19):
.
No one will ever grasp all ofit.
It's just too much.
It's too vast, definitely.
So you know.
Make from that what you will.
There are a bunch of choices outthere for your strength and
mobility training and when itcomes to choosing a program,
it's really hard to sift throughwhat's good and what's not.
One thing I can guarantee youis that the Bulletproof for BJJ
app is exactly what you need asa busy grappler who wants to
(05:41):
prioritize time on the mat,which means you're not spending
hours upon hours in the gym eachweek.
But you also want the biggestreturns in terms of your
performance on the mats and alsoyour recovery off.
The bulletproof for BJJ app hasyou covered.
You can take a two-week freetrial right now, and if you go
beyond that and you commit to asubscription and you get a few
weeks in, you realize you knowwhat I don't love this.
(06:02):
We give you a 100% money backguarantee.
So nothing, nothing to wait for.
Jump into the two-week freetrial right now.
Go to the App Store, searchBulletproof for BJJ and we'll
see you on the inside.
Question number two Mike Jones.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
What's up, joey and JT?
My name is Mike Jones.
I'm sending in this questionfrom Richmond, virginia, where I
train at Upstream BJJ.
Shout out to all the homiesthere if you're listening.
I've been thinking aboutsending a question for a while,
but after your episode on trainmobility I had to ask.
So just as a quick background,I'm 34.
I just recently discovered BJJabout six months ago so I'm
(06:42):
pretty fresh, but I want to makesure that I have longevity on
the mat.
So I want to improve myflexibility and mobility.
So my question is what should Ilook for in a good program?
Number two, personally with me,my knees are a big issue for me
.
Like I can't sit very well onmy knees, as I see most people
doing in BJJ, and now, as timehas gone on, I've noticed like I
(07:07):
feel like I had a little jointinfusions in my knees, just like
limiting my range of motion.
So I also want to work on myhips and ankles.
So my question is you know, whatshould I look for?
What should I focus on in termsof mobility and flexibility and
mobility?
Lastly, I know you guys haveyour program out there.
So if I were to try yourprogram, how much progress would
(07:29):
you expect me to make afterjust two weeks of the trial
period to know that I am makingeffective progress?
So that's my question.
Thank you, guys, so much Againappreciate what y'all do.
Keep it up, thank you, thankyou, thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Mike, you're a legend Legend.
That's a good question actuallyabout like how far can I get in
two weeks?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, look that's pretty open-ended right.
So, speaking to your point,there's many folks in BJJ who
really struggle to fully flextheir knees.
You know, for various reasons,whether they've been doing it a
long time or a short time, andthere is a few contributing
(08:09):
factors, you know, and for manypeople they have a lot of
tightness around their kneecaps,their quads, their calves, and
it can feel like really painfuland jammy in the knee.
One of the easiest ways foryourself to start to improve
your full knee flexion is byhelping yourself squat through
some assistance, right.
And we do have certain easierprogressions within mobility
within our program that you canwork on that.
(08:31):
I believe you can get reallygood improvements in a fairly
short time if you are consistent.
Here's the caveat we don't knowyour current level.
You might be on a real bad oneand so it might take you longer
than you expect.
But if you're pretty close tofull flexion, maybe it might
take you longer than you expect.
But if you're pretty close tofull flexion, maybe it will take
you less time.
But this is the caveat Ifyou're doing lots of jujitsu and
(08:54):
you're not doing much mobility,it will take you much longer to
progress.
But if you are doing, say,three jujitsu sessions a week
and you're doing mobility withevery session and working on it
on the in between days, in twoweeks you could get great gains.
But that is the caveat.
it's got to be how muchdependent yeah, how much time
(09:16):
are you actually spendingimproving this movement quality?
If you're spending a goodamount of time on it and you're
following our program, you willsee significant improvements in
two weeks.
But if you you're not, youwon't.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, I think oh.
And what should he be lookingfor in a good mobility program?
That was his main.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Look, there's a bunch of programs out there, right,
and I think it has to be amixture of dynamic work as well
as longer hold work andpotentially a little bit of
loaded work, and I believethat's where a lot of programs
fall down.
There's not many programs outthere that are teaching loaded
(09:55):
stretching, and it is acomponent of our program.
So I think there are some good.
There's many good programs outthere, but they're missing key
factors.
Your take, joe.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So the knee thing yeah, could be a bunch of
different things.
I have encountered people whojust simply cannot do that
Mechanically.
They can't kneel down on theirshins right and sit in that kind
of SESA position that we see alot in martial arts.
Some folks have certainmobility restrictions that, due
(10:29):
to the shapes of their jointsand connective tissues and
whatnot, they'll never be ableto achieve certain positions,
right.
So some people will havecertain limitations that require
them to spend more time on it.
And then, at the other end ofthe spectrum, you have people
that are just gifted with thisshit, right.
So we don't know where you'reat with that.
Mike, what I would say is, ifyou sit in that position and you
feel really restricted there,do some of the assisted
(10:51):
squatting work, like JT wassaying, where you're really
focusing on the flexion, butalso try getting into that
position.
But before you sit down towardsyour heels, put some kind of
block.
I used to use like an ab mat,or you can use a broomstick.
Joe actually did a really goodvideo on this a little while
back.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I used to use like an ab mat, or you can use a
broomstick.
Joel actually did a really goodvideo on this a little while
back, about restoring kneefunction.
It's on the YouTube, isn't itOn the YouTube channel?
We'll get Jack to link it below.
Yeah, sick.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
But yeah, if you put a wedge like a broomstick into
the back of your knee joint andthen sit down, that wedge
actually helps to create spaceor a gap in the knee joint,
which for some people and for mewhen I was coming back from
knee surgery, was actually thekey for me to be able to
increase range of motion there.
So have a little try of that.
What you'd be looking for in agood program.
(11:37):
Look, here's what we know aboutprograms.
Yes, to what JT said.
Right, it's the differentelements of flexibility training
that are going to produce themost well-rounded response.
But the best program is the onethat you can follow.
Yes, and so you know, whateverit is, I would say just start
something and give it six months, right, you probably won't know
(11:59):
much in two weeks time.
Yeah, you might.
You might notice some quickgains and be like fuck, this is
sick, or you might not, andthose gains might come at six
weeks or eight weeks or fuckingsix months, and so in that way I
would focus like jujitsu, right, it's kind of like asking um,
how much jujitsu do I, how manyweeks, before I know if I'm good
at it or not?
And it's like you just do it,man.
(12:21):
You just got to commit to theprocess.
So I'd say, yeah, six weekswould be good.
What you are looking for issomething that's addressing hips
, trunk, shoulders, and when Isay trunk, that's, you know,
spine.
They're the kind of three maincomponents that make up the
majority of your movement, andso, as long as you're doing
something along those lines, Ithink you're good.
Here's what I would say If youfollowed Mobility Foundation on
(12:43):
our app for six weeks and youdidn't notice some kind of
beneficial improvement, I wouldbe shocked.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, and hey, you know what?
We give you your money back,yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
If you get in there and you're like boys paid for it
did it wasn't my thing.
Just let us know and we'll giveyou your money back when our
questions are, it's no problem.
Would love you to do it andwould love to get a future
fucking check-in from you on thepodcast voicemail here letting
us know how you're going.
That'd be awesome, legend.
Thank you for the questionstoday, guys.
If you got one for us, go tobulletproofforbjjcom podcast tab
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, record a voicemail and we'llfeature you on an upcoming
episode.
Peace, peace you.
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