June 3, 2025 • 36 mins
We talk about the Somedays Porrada lifestyle and you may have even gotten a shirt repping our mantra. In this episode we give you the framework to live this lifestyle and make your BJJ journey one of longevity and prosperity. Try out these principles and let us know how you go, and comment below if you think we missed anything.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You go ham on the mats and you know it's not
sustainable and you're on acollision course.
You've heard about oursomeday's poor heart of
principle and a part of thatspeaks to you, but you're not
sure how to implement it.
Today we are going to explainthe five things you need to do
to live the some days poor,harder lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, indeed, it's pretty important, guys.
I mean that is the thing.
Joe's right in saying that welove jujitsu.
We go as hard as we can, butyou know that you are on a
runaway freight train to fuckingdisaster.
How do we avoid it?
How do we stay in the game?
How can we get this thingworking for us?
And step number one, superimportant friends, I mean we're
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going to save the best to last,but stay with us for the journey
.
Step number one BJJ.
Now talk to me, joe, you've youmentioned this to me and I
thought, oh, that sounds verygood.
50% high, 50% low.
What does this mean, joe?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So we're talking about intensity here, and some
of you are training two days aweek.
Some of you are training ninedays a week.
Essentially, you want to dohalf of your training sessions
at a lower intensity, half at ahigher intensity.
But, joe, I like to go hard allthe time.
Right, and we all do, and thisis the culture and this is what
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poor harder is, and this is abeautiful thing, and only
jiu-jitsu lets you do that.
However, when you go hard day in, day out, every fucking session
.
One, it slows down yourtechnical development of jiu, as
we know.
But two, it exposes you to agreater injury risk than is
necessary, and for a lot ofpeople, that is the kind of that
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is a nail in the coffin, right,over time consists.
I go super hard and it's likeyou look at your older training
partners and like they're adying breed, right, like they
reach up and then they startdisappearing, or even younger
ones.
It's not actually an age thing,but it's usually.
People can only go hard all thetime for a certain period of
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time, and when you look at thefolks who are in the game for a
long time, they usually havesome kind of they reflect kind
of what we're getting at today,some kind of method around
staying training as long and asbest as you can.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So when you say 50% high, 50% low, what does that
actually look like in a week?
For someone who trains three,maybe four times a week.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Let's go four, because it's a nice even split,
and I'll explain how you do thisfor three, but that would mean
two sessions at low intensity.
What would be a low intensitysession?
That would be avoiding roleswith people that you know light
the fire inside you, right, so Iwouldn't train with you on
those days, right?
Be like, yep, no, I'll savethat for next week you know,
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later in the week.
But it also might be changingthe nature of your role, so it
might be starting in a certainposition at every like restart,
right.
So I'm just going to dopositional stuff.
Today I'm going to get everyopponent to start on my back and
I'm just going to work on myback defense, as we've spoken
about in other episodes.
But when you do positionalsparring, you you are closing in
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the amount of variability inwhat can happen, and that's a
really good opportunity to shinea spotlight on a specific
aspect of your game.
But it also is a great way totake away a lot of the chaos
that can come from freestylerolling.
And so if you just dopositional sparring with every
training partner in that sessionlet's say you do four rounds at
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the end of your class you stillget a really hard session.
Like don't get me wrong, you'reworking, they're still working,
but you walk away from thatsession usually not feeling like
you just went to hell and backObliterated.
Yeah, I mean, maybe, you know,maybe maybe you got choked a
bunch of times because they werestarting on you, right, sure,
but it's like a controlled chaos.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So that to me would be a low intensity thing.
Or another option could belet's say you are the
52-year-old brown belt and youdo the comp class and you love
that, but you're like fuck this.
Like 60 minutes of rolling isgetting too intense for me.
I would be an advocate, if youare wishing to live the some
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days poor hearted lifestyle andadhere to the 50-50, maybe sit
around out every other round orevery two, do two and then rest
one, but it's basically reducingthe total intensity of the
training in that session.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think the difficulty of what you're saying
, joe and you know you mightrelate to this is that when you
are not not a black belt oryou're not a coach or anything
like that, your coach iswatching and so the expectation
of the coach kind of can weighon you a little bit.
You know, like I think we'veall felt that way.
We're like fuck coach iswatching, like do that, take
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down, he showed.
Or fuck coach watching, don'tget swept.
You know, like it's soimportant, like it's funny, how
important it is to somehow meetsome invisible expectation,
satisfy the leader.
When your coach is maybe noteven giving a shit.
They're just kind of glancingacross and you're like the eye
of Sauron is on me.
You know like it's maybe notlike that.
(05:44):
So I think the difficulty forpeople with the idea of doing
reduced intensities or sittingrounds off.
They feel like maybe they'reletting the coach down or
whatever like that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think that's absolutely true.
I reckon, and of course, yeah,like it's a bit of a privilege
at our stage because we're veryconfident in how we manage
ourselves at training and we'renot, we got not like not, you
know like no qualms.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And being like I'm not doing this round, that's
right.
And and feeling like likesomeone's going to judge us or
who gives a shit, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But so in that regard if I you know, I'm thinking for
the, for the newer person thatdoesn't feel that um, it would
be about having a conversationwith your coach before the
session and be like hey, look,I'm fucking really digging this,
but I'm actually going to tryand go a couple of days lower
intensity.
So what I wanted to do is X andassuming your coach is a
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moderately understandable humanor understanding human, they'll
be like okay, yeah, I can digthat.
So just letting them know,because otherwise coach would be
like hey, why are you sittingout?
Sure, because they're there,right, they want to make sure
you get a good session.
And sometimes people do sit outand they need someone to say
hey, you should do this round,like you look fine.
So I think if you've pre-framedit with them and then it's like
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everyone knows what's going on,then it's fine, and what's a
high intensity day?
look like joe so high intensityis where you can just go balls
to the wall.
That's where it's like go withthe fucking person that lights
the fire like, do the hardrounds.
Um, you know, you've basicallygot license there to do whatever
you want, flying leg scissor onevery white belt you know what
(07:19):
I mean?
It's just like I'm hittingkhani basamis exclusively to
cannot conduct.
I'm jumping close guard oneveryone.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, regardless of weight, class.
Who's?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
the trial guy?
Where's the trial guy at?
I gotta try this new jumpingtechnique.
No, I'm only kidding with that,but but you know, within,
within the uh, within the,because this is rolling right
where it's.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's live training, so go as live as you want, yeah
I think I think, just as a as aside note on that, you can
actually go really hard inspecific training.
Oh yeah, you know, like one ofthe hardest drills that we used
to have to do whether it be umat jujitsu, in the pro class or
even in MMA, when I was trainingfor MMA was you're on the
single leg and the person justhas to fight out of the single
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leg, oh yeah, and you've got tocomplete, finish it, and you're
not allowed to change.
Like you know, like typically,if a single leg's failing, you
can switch to differenttakedowns, but it's like no, you
have to complete on and they'reworking your fucking face and
just you're like, oh God, andjust three minutes of just you.
You know, if they get out oryou take them down, you stand
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back up, you do the same fuckingthing.
Dude, just a three minute roundof that is very tough.
So I think if you're out thereand you're thinking, man, we
only ever get two rounds ofrolling at my gym, like that's
just the class format, unless wedo open mat or unless we do
comp class format, unless we doopen mat or unless we do comp
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class, I think you can stillhave a really high intensity
class without necessarily havingheaps of rounds of rolling.
It just depends on, like, howhard is the specific training?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'd agree, and for sure anytime you're doing
takedown related stuff thatcooks you.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, I suppose the the the sort of side note on
this discussion is that, likeif you train the classic morning
class, where it's like Isuppose the sort of side note on
this discussion is that, likeif you train the classic morning
class, where it's like it's thequick pre-work, one hour
session, maybe there's tworounds at the end, and you do
that three times a week.
You might not need to heat anyof this because you might be
like no, I'll wake up fine,because you got the whole day to
recover and then that night.
(09:20):
But I do think for people whotrain evenings, where it is
often a longer session maybeit's 90 minutes, maybe you're
doing 30 minutes of rolling.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then you're going to try to go straight to bed,
waking up the next morningfeeling a bit cooked.
I think this is a thing, reallyfor those folks Like if you
feel like you are on thisrunaway freight chain, as you
said, then heed this message.
If you're like no, I feel good,Then as you were, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I feel great.
You just fucking ripping theseats out and throwing them in
the fire of the train.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Fuck yeah, I'm on fire, bro.
So 50% high, 50% low, very nice.
Number two honestself-evaluation.
Now, this is.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This is very challenging, and we were talking
we're talking a few differentthings about knowing where
you're at on a given day yeah, Ithink, um, if you have a
process of journaling, say as wedo I mean, I I don't actually
address this in my journaling,but but you know you could have
a thing there.
That's like you know, howrecovered are you today?
(10:24):
And we spoke about, like, um, alot of athletes and
bodybuilders and whatnot whohave used this right.
They would ask themselves inthe morning, like, how are you
feeling?
And it's like, uh, dorian Yateswas famous for it.
It was like a certain score outof five, it was a three or less
.
He's like, well, that means I'mhaving a light day today or I'm
doing half sets or whatever.
If it was a four or five, I'mgoing balls to the wall.
(10:46):
Yeah, now, I just think it'simportant for people to ask
themselves that question asthey're going into the session.
So, let's say you're in the caron the way to training and then
and you're like, oh, how am Iactually feeling today?
You will usually have a gaugeon.
I'm actually feeling cooked,like I'm really tired today, or
I had a shit sleep, or I went tothe gym last night and I feel
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fatigued, or like I'm feelingpretty good today.
You know, and that could be theguide on how you approach the
session, so you might feel likeshit and you're like well,
today's a low-intensity session.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay.
So what if you friend and mewe're feeling like shit pretty
much every day?
Does that mean every session isa low intensity session?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
well, I would think yes, but more pertinent would be
to then ask well, what is itthat I'm doing?
That's that's keeping meshowing up feeling like shit all
the time, like where am Ifucking up?
And that's keeping me showingup feeling like shit all the
time, like where am I fucking up?
And that's like what's my sleep, like what's my workout?
You know what am I?
What fucking?
Am I drinking alcohol before Igo to bed?
Am I watching TV late?
(11:54):
Blah, blah, blah.
All this stuff.
We talk about that a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But I think that's yeah.
It's like, and you're not goingto be able to keep this up for
long.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And the honest self-evaluation has to go beyond
just how am I feeling now.
It's like, what am I doing thatis leading me to feel this way?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's right and I would say for most people
you should be feeling prettyfresh.
Monday to Wednesday.
It's like you've hopefully gota little bit of rest over the
weekend.
You've had a slightly longersleep than maybe you do during
the week.
Of course, you know weekendworkers, shift workers and stuff
excluded from this, but, um,but for most folks who are doing
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the bulk of their work duringthe week, um, it's usually once
you've accumulated a few days oftraining, that Thursday, friday
this week, you're going tostart to feel a bit more fatigue
.
So if you're showing up to asession on a Tuesday night and
you're like I'm cooked, there'sa problem.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, that should really be kind of peak.
Yeah, you should be feelingpretty good at that time.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And it's understandable.
We all get to a point in theweek where life and jiu-jitsu
has taken a certain amount ofenergy and we're working with
less optimal circumstances.
But I mean even myself, like Ihad said to Dan who helped me
with my strongman training healways wanted me to do deadlifts
on Friday.
(13:15):
I'm like dude, I've alreadydone three sessions, I might've
rolled ones Like I'm fucked onFriday, like, even though it's
good for the team.
You know, like everyone, bigbig deadlift.
Friday, like, yeah, everyonegets G'd up and does big
deadlifts.
I'm like that's the worst timefor me to do deadlifts.
I mean, yeah, I can show up andtry, but I know that that's
wrong for me.
(13:35):
And so it's taken me a littlewhile to like just keep chipping
away at him.
And he's like, all right, doyou deadlifts on Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And I'm like, fuck, yes, that's what I fucking need,
bro, we'll just play a littlevideo of you deadlifting on the
Friday night in the corner.
Yeah, everyone feels likeyou're part of the team.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, I do my squats on Friday, which is now acceptable
you know, so that's like lesstaxing then?
Well, no, squatting isn't lesstaxing, it's just.
It's not the priority lift,that's not the to get better at
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right.
The thing that I have to pushand really drive myself with is
my deadlift right now.
So, because that's a focus, Ibring that in earlier in the
week.
Smart, and this could be relateto your jujitsu, say, comp
classes on friday night.
This is a very common thing, isit?
Yeah, yeah, I mean depending onwhat gym you go to, but I've
been to a number of gyms.
They're like yeah, we have likea real barn burner of like
rounds on a fr night.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You're like okay, I guess I don't know, guys, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I feel that really with any athlete that I work
with or it doesn't matter ifyou're an athlete or not anyone
who I'm giving advice to abouttraining I always say try to
have your heaviest jujitsusession and your hardest rolling
somehow in the first half ofthe week.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah and your hardest rolling somehow in the first
half of the week, yeah, and thenyou can kind of moderate it
from there.
And I mean, I think a lot ofpeople like to really light shit
up on a Saturday mid-morningopen, matt, sure, and that's
great, you know, because youusually got the rest of the day
and the next day, sunday yeah.
But I mean I feel that right.
Yeah, you wake up on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Even when you you're going to train at 10 30.
Yeah, you're kind of sluggish,yeah, like you've usually woken
up a bit later.
Anyway, you know not to getcaught up all to the side.
But yeah, the honestself-evaluation you shouldn't,
even though I think jujitsuteaches us a lot about toughness
and just continuing on havingan honest stop and think to
yourself before you walk intotraining, like where am I at
today?
Just taking that little bit oftime allows you to train more
appropriately.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And that actually raises a good point, which is
that, like, a lot of people willbe hearing this and be like
fuck that, like that sounds weakas and yes, that's what I would
have thought too when I was 26in a blue belt.
You know what I mean and it'sjust like, nah, no, I can't, I'm
getting after it.
But the reality is, most peopleget forced out of the game
after a couple of years.
Yeah, right, and so this is.
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While this might, in the moment, be, you might see it as taking
something away from yourenjoyment of jiu-jitsu.
It's actually giving you thisentire longer lifespan in the
game, which is way more thanjust, oh, I, I go hard every
night.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, I think this is also another thing, which I've
mentioned it before, which is areally good lesson I got from my
old Russian coach at FIM shoutout, there's a difference
between training and testing.
And look, training is theprocess of.
Some days are a bit easier,some days are a bit harder, but
you're working it towards theultimate goal of getting better
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and your test might be acompetition or your test might
be grading or whatever it is,but the testing comes later,
because if you test right now,what you know is you're not as
fit or you're not as strong, oryou're not as good at jujitsu as
you want to be.
Therefore, you must endurethese ups and downs of training
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in a sustained way to get better, to then test better where you
know improved improvedperformance.
So I think the problem is anddon't get me wrong, I'm the kind
of person who loves to fuckingsend everything.
I know absolutely in my gut, ona very deep level, that that is
not how you get better, eventhough I crave the fucking
excitement of it.
Yeah, and that's the difficulty.
I think the juggle now numberthree.
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Now, this is something, um,it's uh, it's interesting
because it's something joe'smentioned before and I I haven't
adhered to this at all which isthe uh, selective with your
roles.
It's like a selfishself-preservation.
Can you speak on this show?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
yeah, so um, the prevailing culture in jujitsu is
that you are just obliged toroll with whoever right idgfa
brawl fight king kong yeah, andit's like whoever makes eye
contact first and says you wantto roll, man and and like that,
that's great and you need to bekind of, you know you need to be
a part of that Um, but there isa point where you need to be
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selfish about who you roll with.
Now, when I say selfish, I don'tmean that you should completely
disregard rolling with theperson who's doing a trial class
, or perhaps rolling with ateammate that is 40 kilos
lighter than you, that you knowyou could just crush, you know,
if you want it, because you havean obligation as a teammate to
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contribute to other people'straining, right, but I'm talking
more about being selective withthe people that you know could
be problematic for you.
And so again, kind of to thefirst point, when you know
there's that person that reallyriles you up, that sort of pulls
you, it just always turns intochaos and maybe it gets
emotional when you roll withthem, maybe you fucking see red
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and bodies at the floor, youknow.
And then you wake up and youjust got choked out.
Um, but like, but you know,when it's those, that person,
you're like, oh, it's lowintensity day, not today, yeah,
and I always found like thosepeople usually feel the same
about you and there's often andwe've spoken about this, like
you often will have that kind of.
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You'll both acknowledge yourignorance of one another this
evening.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right, like you'll kind of see each other and then
you'll both separate ends of theroom.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Not choose to roll with each other.
Yeah, and it's kind of like,you know, that thing that
happens in the uh in uh, where,like in the, in the plains in
africa, like serengeti andwhatnot you see it in the nature
, docos I've never been there,um, but where, like, there'll be
like a herd of fucking zebrasand then there'll be, um, you
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know, some lions, and the lionswill be like threatening the
zebras and the zebras will dolike I don't know if it's zebras
that do this, or like antelopesor some shit, but they'll do
some kind of like funny posturallittle dance thing.
And what it is is it'sbasically sending a, it's
sending a message to the, to thelions that like, hey, I'm
pretty fit, I'm feeling prettyspringy.
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If you want to try and coverthat 150 meter distance, I'm
probably going to get away, soit's not even worth trying.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And, the and and the lines like yeah, nah, let's
fucking go get someone else, andit's like we both agreed to set
it like to not go into the fireIn any case.
I think that's really important, and so to do that, you have to
be okay with being a bitselfish.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
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And it also takes like a littlebit of courage in yourself to
turn someone down if they callyou to roll and you know that
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it's kind of like your gymnemesis or it's a hard roll, and
it because no one wants to feellike a coward or no one wants
to feel like they didn't rise tothe challenge or whatever it is
right, like we all have adegree of ego or pride,
regardless, like I.
I know there's been moments.
Ben Hodgkinson and I have hadso many wars right, and when we
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were at South Yarra gym, when itwas absolute South Yarra before
it became St Kilda, he was justlike my main training partner.
It was like him and CraigLockie and a couple of other
guys.
But we'd always end up togetherand there was definite times
where he didn't want to rollwith me because he would just
avoid my guy.
I'd walk, I'd walk over to himhe's sitting on the wall and I
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would go to be like, oh, youwant to write?
He just would not look me inthe face, right.
And there was definite timeswhere he would be like like
looking for me and I'm just likeI just, I, just, I just go hey,
hey, zach, amen, do you want toroll like?
just who's that gay man?
Uh, zach was the commentator onthe cji trials.
He called him the c?
G.
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I try, oh wow, he's a wild man.
Anyway, I shout out zach, he'sa funny guy, but he's a smaller,
not as frightening human as uhhodge hodge.
And there were also times whereyou're talking, we would both
look the other way.
Yeah, you know, like because wewere, we both, either for
injury reasons or energy reasons.
(22:34):
It just wasn't the time, yeah.
But then there was also timeswhen we both lock in and be like
you want a role mate?
Sure sounds great.
I've been waiting for you tocome, you know you.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think it's totally fine to openly acknowledge that
with someone and be like brothernot today.
I can't go into the fire withyou today and people take that
as fuck.
Yeah, like he didn't want toroll me cause I'm a tough role
and so that's great.
It's not.
It's respectful.
It's respectful and you're notsending the wrong message, right
?
Um, I do also like there's.
I've encountered people overthe years who are just kind of
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injury machines, oh my God.
And usually with them like Idon't feel the need to explain
anything, I'm just like no,thanks, no, you know.
No, I'm good, I'm going to restthis one, I'm going to go
so-and-so, and, of course, whenyou're brand new, you're
probably not going to feelconfident to say that and you're
not going to the lay of theland, you don't know who these
people are.
But your job is to get the readon the different characters in
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your, in your team and start tomake those kind of you have
those little invisible labelsreal.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, not that guy injury machine yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a guy, uh, arno.
For anyone who used to train atcbd, they know who this guy is.
Arno always had like knee,braces, wrist.
He was always strapped up.
He looked the most injured outof everyone, right, but he
actually was the injury machine.
He would spend 10 minutestelling you oh man, my wrist's
(24:02):
bad, my knee, my fucking neck,and you're like.
So it puts you in this mindsetof like, oh man, really I'm
sorry, yeah, so you don't rollhard.
Let's start chill, and then youjust bam, and you're like, oh
God, fucking Arno, this guy.
Oh no, oh no.
It's like man, fuck that guy.
Shout out, fuck you, arno.
(24:22):
If you ever see this, you prick.
No, he was really into hurtingpeople.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah right, he was really there for it, and Arno
went on to create a brand calledAnaconda, highly successful.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He called anaconda.
Highly successful.
He probably did um.
So let's go to number four.
Number four injury is part ofthe game, and this is something
which we are not accepting.
No, not me, it'll never happento me.
Talk, talk to us about this,joe yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So acceptance is the key thing here and it's it's
it's injury, but it's also timeoff, and that there are going to
be things that happen in yourlife or within jiu-jitsu that
force you to take time offtraining.
You know, it might be like Idon't know, the fucking birth of
your child and you know yourwife needs extra help around the
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house and you know, or yourhusband needs extra.
You know, whatever the fuck, itis right, a significant life
happening.
Yeah, something goes on and youcan't train, and um,
understanding that, because it'soften when you try and force it
, during those periods where youcan fuck yourself up, and
particularly if injury, ifinjury occurs right, and you're
like, oh, I took a couple ofdays off and then got back in.
(25:32):
It's like no, you came back tooearly.
I think if you can accept thatit's going to happen and that if
you're going to do this thingfor 10 years, 20 years, there
will be so many times in yourlife that you will be off the
mats for whatever reason, if youcan be okay with that and just
manage yourself well off themats and let that time play out
(25:53):
for whatever it needs to, that'sgoing to keep you in good stead
, then, to stay on the path yeahbut if you're always trying to
force your way back in underunideal circumstances and then
getting hurt again or pissingoff your partner, you know, or
whatever the fuck you're cuttingor ruining the holiday because
I thought it was just us, butyou've gone to visit the fucking
(26:14):
Ralph Gracie Academy down theroad.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Hey babe, we've got this really nice getaway for us.
We're going to Byron Bay.
Oh, by the way, the MeowBrothers are having a seminar at
the academy I booked in twoprivates with Taliesin.
If you could just record for us, if you could just get our
footage of our private lesson.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I'm going to need you to mix the assay for when I get
back to the cabana.
But the but yeah.
So you know, like it's an, it'sthere's an immaturity in, in,
in not accepting the time off,yeah, and you pay a price for
that I.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I actually had done something similar actually with
taekwondo.
I pretty much completely tornmy mcl and I had to have a leg
brace.
I had crutches.
I Basically physio said if youdo this wrong you're going to
have to have knee surgery, likeyou're going to have to have it
reattached, but right now it'shanging on by a thread.
So I did what I thought wasright in terms of that and I did
(27:06):
get in, but I got a fuckingimpatient.
It was actually doing myfucking head in because I'd gone
from training twice a day atgym, everything just wanting to
be the best, to now I can't walk.
The impatience wasn't actuallygoing back to Taekwondo early,
it was that I tried to dosomething else because I was
going a bit stir crazy and Idecided I was just going to play
(27:28):
a bit of pickup basketball, ofcourse, because it's not that
demanding.
I just got out the brace and Iwas like, oh, it's not sore's
not that demanding.
I just got out the brace and Iwas like, oh, it's not sore,
it's kind of a bit felt a bitwobbly, like almost a little bit
unstable, but I was like I'mjust jogging around, you know,
mate, went up for a rebound,came down, stood on someone's
foot and like rolled my knee inand felt like, and I was like
(27:54):
why?
And then I went back and andthe physio's like what have you
fucking done?
Like you you've gone threemonths and you're kind of back
to square one.
And I will always remember that, because it took me that same
bullshit of the leg brace, thecrutches, another three months,
again, again, and that is, youcan't get that time back.
(28:16):
And that was just like you say,it's kind of immature, because
I just refused to accept thatI'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Fuck yeah, that's that's got to hurt, oh Jesus.
I mean and you hopefully madethat mistake once.
No, no, Well, I did it tomyself right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, it's the way I got, no one else to blame, it
was on me, but it was a toughlesson to learn.
And so this is where we get tosomething which is something
you've probably never heard ofor you're not thinking about
with your jiu-jitsu, which is, Ithink, one of the most
important things in terms of thesome days poor harder which is
(28:50):
life load management.
Let's talk about this, joe,because this is something that's
not talked about in jujitsu.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, so you have, um , a bunch of different roles in
your life and you could look atthese different roles.
Let's say you have your career,you have your family, you know
whatever like home life, maybe.
You know, maybe you've got arole to play with your, your
parents or your siblings orsomething like that.
You know, maybe you work at afucking soup kitchen and that's
a thing.
But you have these competingobligations, right?
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These things are competing foryour time and energy and you
only have so much time andenergy in a given week.
And so there is an organicbalance of sorts, when
everything's kind of floatingalong at a pretty even keel.
But as soon as something getsbusier let's say work asks you
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to cover a couple of extrashifts this week, or let's say
you have a newborn now in thehouse, or let's say your fucking
car breaks down right, whateverit is, maybe you've got a
holiday coming up, or it's along weekend or some shit All of
a sudden it's going to throwthe other things out of balance,
and we all feel this, right,it's like we just had a run of
public holidays here in Sydneyor in Australia and it actually
(30:01):
fucks you up.
It throws the rhythm of lifeout?
Yeah, cause you got like thisthese two short weeks and you
know, you kind of take a littlebit of time off and then you're
like, well, I've actually gotextra work to do, but in less
time.
So, yeah, your routine's sortof out of whack.
But the point here is that whenother things happen outside of
the mats, they're going toaffect your ability to be on the
mats yeah definitely, um, and Ithink that like we've like
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we've spoken about people likeit's really good to just try and
keep your routine, like that'san important discipline to have,
but you also have to be awarewhen something starts competing
harder for your time and energy,you have to make allowances for
that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Definitely yeah.
And and here's something likeso I I got this from, uh, paul,
check, actually it's.
It talks about physiologicalload that someone coming to you,
if you're a trainer, and you'relooking at them when you ask
them more detailed questionsabout the stress on their bodies
, they may already be carrying50 kilos of physiological load
(31:06):
before you put the bar on theirback.
So even though they tell you,hey, I can squat 100 kilos
because of the amount of timethey spend sitting down, the
physical work they did on theweekend, all this stuff that you
could put 50 kilos on theirback and that's going to feel
like 100 kilos because of allthese other factors.
And we all know it right, likeit doesn't matter if it's tax
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time, christmas, something whereyour life outside of jujitsu is
loading you up with stress.
You've got a presentation forthe boss, you've got to manage
staff because you got promotedto manager, whatever the bloody
hell it is, you're like I feelshit when I get to jujitsu.
I just can't.
(31:48):
Why am I not?
What's wrong with me when I goto jujitsu?
It's because we can acknowledgethat there's busyness and stress
and stuff in life, but wesomehow forget that that can
impact our jujitsu and we expectthat every time we go we're
going to be better or find a wayto improve.
And yeah, in ways you couldimprove technically.
(32:10):
But if you're exhausted becauseyou've been up all night with a
crying baby, it will be hardfor you to learn the lesson and
it will be hard for you toperform.
So you do have to factor inthese other parts as really
having a positive or negativeeffect on your jiu-jitsu.
Because that's the thing whenyou've got less on you can
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obviously sleep better, trainmore, all this stuff, but when
you've more on it it's got to beconsidered as part of the
things.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's right and I think that you know most folks
could probably like vibe with.
When things get busier in life,probably their jujitsu tends to
drop off a bit.
Right, it's often our trainingis often one of the first things
on the chopping block that wedo sort of subconsciously, and
so that is.
You know, life has a way ofmaintaining a balance there.
But it's often during thosetimes when you try to force it
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that you can run into a badsituation.
Here's an example.
Let's say you've picked up anextra couple of shifts at work.
It's a really busy work weekand you're like, no, I'm still
going to get to the gym.
But you find that you're kindof hustling all week.
You're rushing, you jump in thecar trying to fly to training,
(33:22):
blah, blah, you're running alittle bit late to get there.
You skip the normal warmup thatyou typically do.
You jump into the session Likeokay, maybe it's fine once,
maybe it's fine twice, but ifthis is something that you're
doing chronically, you're notsleeping particularly well.
Your meal timings are also outa bit this week because you're
fucking hectic and you didn'thave time to prep on the weekend
.
All of a sudden you've now gotlike eight or ten or a fucking
(33:45):
50 contributing sort of factorsthat are making it you're in a
more injurious environment nowhanging above you like a boulder
.
That's right, it's going tosmash you and so it's like
whatever short term, usually nota big deal.
But for some of us this is thenature of life, right, like it's
up and down in terms of theobligations that we have and the
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time and stuff.
So if you find that you'realways grinding in that way and
like pushing and just sort ofhanging on by a thread, maybe
heeding that message and justgoing all right, well, I'm going
to apply a similar kind of upand down or like peaks and
troughs to my training approach.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, and the big challenge here is actually
tracking it, like keeping trackof it.
In the same way, you might havea calendar, google calendar,
whatever you, whatever you putyour meetings in there or you
put your jobs in there thatyou're trying to manage for your
business.
Factor in that things oftencost you a bit more than you
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expect, whatever that is, evenhaving family over.
You've got family around forthe holidays or for some special
event.
Family around for the holidaysor for some special event.
I love my family.
They're great, but I do find,after a certain amount of time
spent with them, it goes frombeing like rewarding to being
stressful, and that takes a tollon your energy and running
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around and doing things onbehalf of others, even though it
feels good because you'rehelping people, people that can
leave you with a lower charge.
So therefore, for you to expectthat you can walk into jujitsu
and perform the same is kind ofunrealistic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, so that's the five things, folks.
That's the some days poor heart.
I really wanted to stretch itout to a 12 rules for life.
Some days poor heart.
I kind of look thing.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
But the book will be available on amazon at the end
of the year.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Fucking you bet, um, but I did want to just close on
that point that it is not aboutnot being savage, it's not about
not going hard, it's it's notabout avoiding the challenge,
because these are all the thingsthat jujitsu allows us to do,
which make it inherent, make itspecial and make it a very
powerful, um, game to play, orfucking hobby to have, or sport
(36:01):
to pursue, uh, but it is aboutunderstanding that that takes a
toll and then, if you don'tmanage that intelligently, you
probably won't be able to do itfor long.
So we want to see all you guysbe able to train for as long as
you want and then, when the daycomes where you decide I'm going
to stop training.
Now it's a it's a voluntarychoice, not an involuntary, uh,
(36:21):
something that's forced upon you.
There it is, there it is.
Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Tell a friend Boom.
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
You go ham on the mats and you know it's not
sustainable and you're on acollision course.
You've heard about oursomeday's poor heart of
principle and a part of thatspeaks to you, but you're not
sure how to implement it.
Today we are going to explainthe five things you need to do
to live the some days poor,harder lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yes, indeed, it's pretty important, guys.
I mean that is the thing.
Joe's right in saying that welove jujitsu.
We go as hard as we can, butyou know that you are on a
runaway freight train to fuckingdisaster.
How do we avoid it?
How do we stay in the game?
How can we get this thingworking for us?
And step number one, superimportant friends, I mean we're
(01:16):
going to save the best to last,but stay with us for the journey
.
Step number one BJJ.
Now talk to me, joe, you've youmentioned this to me and I
thought, oh, that sounds verygood.
50% high, 50% low.
What does this mean, joe?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
So we're talking about intensity here, and some
of you are training two days aweek.
Some of you are training ninedays a week.
Essentially, you want to dohalf of your training sessions
at a lower intensity, half at ahigher intensity.
But, joe, I like to go hard allthe time.
Right, and we all do, and thisis the culture and this is what
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poor harder is, and this is abeautiful thing, and only
jiu-jitsu lets you do that.
However, when you go hard day in, day out, every fucking session
.
One, it slows down yourtechnical development of jiu, as
we know.
But two, it exposes you to agreater injury risk than is
necessary, and for a lot ofpeople, that is the kind of that
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is a nail in the coffin, right,over time consists.
I go super hard and it's likeyou look at your older training
partners and like they're adying breed, right, like they
reach up and then they startdisappearing, or even younger
ones.
It's not actually an age thing,but it's usually.
People can only go hard all thetime for a certain period of
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time, and when you look at thefolks who are in the game for a
long time, they usually havesome kind of they reflect kind
of what we're getting at today,some kind of method around
staying training as long and asbest as you can.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So when you say 50% high, 50% low, what does that
actually look like in a week?
For someone who trains three,maybe four times a week.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Let's go four, because it's a nice even split,
and I'll explain how you do thisfor three, but that would mean
two sessions at low intensity.
What would be a low intensitysession?
That would be avoiding roleswith people that you know light
the fire inside you, right, so Iwouldn't train with you on
those days, right?
Be like, yep, no, I'll savethat for next week you know,
(03:18):
later in the week.
But it also might be changingthe nature of your role, so it
might be starting in a certainposition at every like restart,
right.
So I'm just going to dopositional stuff.
Today I'm going to get everyopponent to start on my back and
I'm just going to work on myback defense, as we've spoken
about in other episodes.
But when you do positionalsparring, you you are closing in
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the amount of variability inwhat can happen, and that's a
really good opportunity to shinea spotlight on a specific
aspect of your game.
But it also is a great way totake away a lot of the chaos
that can come from freestylerolling.
And so if you just dopositional sparring with every
training partner in that sessionlet's say you do four rounds at
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the end of your class you stillget a really hard session.
Like don't get me wrong, you'reworking, they're still working,
but you walk away from thatsession usually not feeling like
you just went to hell and backObliterated.
Yeah, I mean, maybe, you know,maybe maybe you got choked a
bunch of times because they werestarting on you, right, sure,
but it's like a controlled chaos.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So that to me would be a low intensity thing.
Or another option could belet's say you are the
52-year-old brown belt and youdo the comp class and you love
that, but you're like fuck this.
Like 60 minutes of rolling isgetting too intense for me.
I would be an advocate, if youare wishing to live the some
(04:48):
days poor hearted lifestyle andadhere to the 50-50, maybe sit
around out every other round orevery two, do two and then rest
one, but it's basically reducingthe total intensity of the
training in that session.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I think the difficulty of what you're saying
, joe and you know you mightrelate to this is that when you
are not not a black belt oryou're not a coach or anything
like that, your coach iswatching and so the expectation
of the coach kind of can weighon you a little bit.
You know, like I think we'veall felt that way.
We're like fuck coach iswatching, like do that, take
(05:22):
down, he showed.
Or fuck coach watching, don'tget swept.
You know, like it's soimportant, like it's funny, how
important it is to somehow meetsome invisible expectation,
satisfy the leader.
When your coach is maybe noteven giving a shit.
They're just kind of glancingacross and you're like the eye
of Sauron is on me.
You know like it's maybe notlike that.
(05:44):
So I think the difficulty forpeople with the idea of doing
reduced intensities or sittingrounds off.
They feel like maybe they'reletting the coach down or
whatever like that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think that's absolutely true.
I reckon, and of course, yeah,like it's a bit of a privilege
at our stage because we're veryconfident in how we manage
ourselves at training and we'renot, we got not like not, you
know like no qualms.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And being like I'm not doing this round, that's
right.
And and feeling like likesomeone's going to judge us or
who gives a shit, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
But so in that regard if I you know, I'm thinking for
the, for the newer person thatdoesn't feel that um, it would
be about having a conversationwith your coach before the
session and be like hey, look,I'm fucking really digging this,
but I'm actually going to tryand go a couple of days lower
intensity.
So what I wanted to do is X andassuming your coach is a
(06:35):
moderately understandable humanor understanding human, they'll
be like okay, yeah, I can digthat.
So just letting them know,because otherwise coach would be
like hey, why are you sittingout?
Sure, because they're there,right, they want to make sure
you get a good session.
And sometimes people do sit outand they need someone to say
hey, you should do this round,like you look fine.
So I think if you've pre-framedit with them and then it's like
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everyone knows what's going on,then it's fine, and what's a
high intensity day?
look like joe so high intensityis where you can just go balls
to the wall.
That's where it's like go withthe fucking person that lights
the fire like, do the hardrounds.
Um, you know, you've basicallygot license there to do whatever
you want, flying leg scissor onevery white belt you know what
(07:19):
I mean?
It's just like I'm hittingkhani basamis exclusively to
cannot conduct.
I'm jumping close guard oneveryone.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, regardless of weight, class.
Who's?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
the trial guy?
Where's the trial guy at?
I gotta try this new jumpingtechnique.
No, I'm only kidding with that,but but you know, within,
within the uh, within the,because this is rolling right
where it's.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It's live training, so go as live as you want, yeah
I think I think, just as a as aside note on that, you can
actually go really hard inspecific training.
Oh yeah, you know, like one ofthe hardest drills that we used
to have to do whether it be umat jujitsu, in the pro class or
even in MMA, when I was trainingfor MMA was you're on the
single leg and the person justhas to fight out of the single
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leg, oh yeah, and you've got tocomplete, finish it, and you're
not allowed to change.
Like you know, like typically,if a single leg's failing, you
can switch to differenttakedowns, but it's like no, you
have to complete on and they'reworking your fucking face and
just you're like, oh God, andjust three minutes of just you.
You know, if they get out oryou take them down, you stand
(08:25):
back up, you do the same fuckingthing.
Dude, just a three minute roundof that is very tough.
So I think if you're out thereand you're thinking, man, we
only ever get two rounds ofrolling at my gym, like that's
just the class format, unless wedo open mat or unless we do
comp class format, unless we doopen mat or unless we do comp
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class, I think you can stillhave a really high intensity
class without necessarily havingheaps of rounds of rolling.
It just depends on, like, howhard is the specific training?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, I'd agree, and for sure anytime you're doing
takedown related stuff thatcooks you.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You know, I suppose the the the sort of side note on
this discussion is that, likeif you train the classic morning
class, where it's like Isuppose the sort of side note on
this discussion is that, likeif you train the classic morning
class, where it's like it's thequick pre-work, one hour
session, maybe there's tworounds at the end, and you do
that three times a week.
You might not need to heat anyof this because you might be
like no, I'll wake up fine,because you got the whole day to
recover and then that night.
(09:20):
But I do think for people whotrain evenings, where it is
often a longer session maybeit's 90 minutes, maybe you're
doing 30 minutes of rolling.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
And then you're going to try to go straight to bed,
waking up the next morningfeeling a bit cooked.
I think this is a thing, reallyfor those folks Like if you
feel like you are on thisrunaway freight chain, as you
said, then heed this message.
If you're like no, I feel good,Then as you were, sir.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, I feel great.
You just fucking ripping theseats out and throwing them in
the fire of the train.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Fuck yeah, I'm on fire, bro.
So 50% high, 50% low, very nice.
Number two honestself-evaluation.
Now, this is.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This is very challenging, and we were talking
we're talking a few differentthings about knowing where
you're at on a given day yeah, Ithink, um, if you have a
process of journaling, say as wedo I mean, I I don't actually
address this in my journaling,but but you know you could have
a thing there.
That's like you know, howrecovered are you today?
(10:24):
And we spoke about, like, um, alot of athletes and
bodybuilders and whatnot whohave used this right.
They would ask themselves inthe morning, like, how are you
feeling?
And it's like, uh, dorian Yateswas famous for it.
It was like a certain score outof five, it was a three or less
.
He's like, well, that means I'mhaving a light day today or I'm
doing half sets or whatever.
If it was a four or five, I'mgoing balls to the wall.
(10:46):
Yeah, now, I just think it'simportant for people to ask
themselves that question asthey're going into the session.
So, let's say you're in the caron the way to training and then
and you're like, oh, how am Iactually feeling today?
You will usually have a gaugeon.
I'm actually feeling cooked,like I'm really tired today, or
I had a shit sleep, or I went tothe gym last night and I feel
(11:09):
fatigued, or like I'm feelingpretty good today.
You know, and that could be theguide on how you approach the
session, so you might feel likeshit and you're like well,
today's a low-intensity session.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay.
So what if you friend and mewe're feeling like shit pretty
much every day?
Does that mean every session isa low intensity session?
Speaker 2 (11:34):
well, I would think yes, but more pertinent would be
to then ask well, what is itthat I'm doing?
That's that's keeping meshowing up feeling like shit all
the time, like where am Ifucking up?
And that's keeping me showingup feeling like shit all the
time, like where am I fucking up?
And that's like what's my sleep, like what's my workout?
You know what am I?
What fucking?
Am I drinking alcohol before Igo to bed?
Am I watching TV late?
(11:54):
Blah, blah, blah.
All this stuff.
We talk about that a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
But I think that's yeah.
It's like, and you're not goingto be able to keep this up for
long.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And the honest self-evaluation has to go beyond
just how am I feeling now.
It's like, what am I doing thatis leading me to feel this way?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, that's right and I would say for most people
you should be feeling prettyfresh.
Monday to Wednesday.
It's like you've hopefully gota little bit of rest over the
weekend.
You've had a slightly longersleep than maybe you do during
the week.
Of course, you know weekendworkers, shift workers and stuff
excluded from this, but, um,but for most folks who are doing
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the bulk of their work duringthe week, um, it's usually once
you've accumulated a few days oftraining, that Thursday, friday
this week, you're going tostart to feel a bit more fatigue
.
So if you're showing up to asession on a Tuesday night and
you're like I'm cooked, there'sa problem.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, that should really be kind of peak.
Yeah, you should be feelingpretty good at that time.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
And it's understandable.
We all get to a point in theweek where life and jiu-jitsu
has taken a certain amount ofenergy and we're working with
less optimal circumstances.
But I mean even myself, like Ihad said to Dan who helped me
with my strongman training healways wanted me to do deadlifts
on Friday.
(13:15):
I'm like dude, I've alreadydone three sessions, I might've
rolled ones Like I'm fucked onFriday, like, even though it's
good for the team.
You know, like everyone, bigbig deadlift.
Friday, like, yeah, everyonegets G'd up and does big
deadlifts.
I'm like that's the worst timefor me to do deadlifts.
I mean, yeah, I can show up andtry, but I know that that's
wrong for me.
(13:35):
And so it's taken me a littlewhile to like just keep chipping
away at him.
And he's like, all right, doyou deadlifts on Tuesday?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
And I'm like, fuck, yes, that's what I fucking need,
bro, we'll just play a littlevideo of you deadlifting on the
Friday night in the corner.
Yeah, everyone feels likeyou're part of the team.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, I do my squats on Friday, which is now acceptable
you know, so that's like lesstaxing then?
Well, no, squatting isn't lesstaxing, it's just.
It's not the priority lift,that's not the to get better at
(14:12):
right.
The thing that I have to pushand really drive myself with is
my deadlift right now.
So, because that's a focus, Ibring that in earlier in the
week.
Smart, and this could be relateto your jujitsu, say, comp
classes on friday night.
This is a very common thing, isit?
Yeah, yeah, I mean depending onwhat gym you go to, but I've
been to a number of gyms.
They're like yeah, we have likea real barn burner of like
rounds on a fr night.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You're like okay, I guess I don't know, guys, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I feel that really with any athlete that I work
with or it doesn't matter ifyou're an athlete or not anyone
who I'm giving advice to abouttraining I always say try to
have your heaviest jujitsusession and your hardest rolling
somehow in the first half ofthe week.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah and your hardest rolling somehow in the first
half of the week, yeah, and thenyou can kind of moderate it
from there.
And I mean, I think a lot ofpeople like to really light shit
up on a Saturday mid-morningopen, matt, sure, and that's
great, you know, because youusually got the rest of the day
and the next day, sunday yeah.
But I mean I feel that right.
Yeah, you wake up on a Saturday.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Even when you you're going to train at 10 30.
Yeah, you're kind of sluggish,yeah, like you've usually woken
up a bit later.
Anyway, you know not to getcaught up all to the side.
But yeah, the honestself-evaluation you shouldn't,
even though I think jujitsuteaches us a lot about toughness
and just continuing on havingan honest stop and think to
yourself before you walk intotraining, like where am I at
today?
Just taking that little bit oftime allows you to train more
appropriately.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
And that actually raises a good point, which is
that, like, a lot of people willbe hearing this and be like
fuck that, like that sounds weakas and yes, that's what I would
have thought too when I was 26in a blue belt.
You know what I mean and it'sjust like, nah, no, I can't, I'm
getting after it.
But the reality is, most peopleget forced out of the game
after a couple of years.
Yeah, right, and so this is.
(15:51):
While this might, in the moment, be, you might see it as taking
something away from yourenjoyment of jiu-jitsu.
It's actually giving you thisentire longer lifespan in the
game, which is way more thanjust, oh, I, I go hard every
night.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Well, I think this is also another thing, which I've
mentioned it before, which is areally good lesson I got from my
old Russian coach at FIM shoutout, there's a difference
between training and testing.
And look, training is theprocess of.
Some days are a bit easier,some days are a bit harder, but
you're working it towards theultimate goal of getting better
(16:27):
and your test might be acompetition or your test might
be grading or whatever it is,but the testing comes later,
because if you test right now,what you know is you're not as
fit or you're not as strong, oryou're not as good at jujitsu as
you want to be.
Therefore, you must endurethese ups and downs of training
(16:50):
in a sustained way to get better, to then test better where you
know improved improvedperformance.
So I think the problem is anddon't get me wrong, I'm the kind
of person who loves to fuckingsend everything.
I know absolutely in my gut, ona very deep level, that that is
not how you get better, eventhough I crave the fucking
excitement of it.
Yeah, and that's the difficulty.
I think the juggle now numberthree.
(17:11):
Now, this is something, um,it's uh, it's interesting
because it's something joe'smentioned before and I I haven't
adhered to this at all which isthe uh, selective with your
roles.
It's like a selfishself-preservation.
Can you speak on this show?
Speaker 2 (17:27):
yeah, so um, the prevailing culture in jujitsu is
that you are just obliged toroll with whoever right idgfa
brawl fight king kong yeah, andit's like whoever makes eye
contact first and says you wantto roll, man and and like that,
that's great and you need to bekind of, you know you need to be
a part of that Um, but there isa point where you need to be
(17:50):
selfish about who you roll with.
Now, when I say selfish, I don'tmean that you should completely
disregard rolling with theperson who's doing a trial class
, or perhaps rolling with ateammate that is 40 kilos
lighter than you, that you knowyou could just crush, you know,
if you want it, because you havean obligation as a teammate to
(18:12):
contribute to other people'straining, right, but I'm talking
more about being selective withthe people that you know could
be problematic for you.
And so again, kind of to thefirst point, when you know
there's that person that reallyriles you up, that sort of pulls
you, it just always turns intochaos and maybe it gets
emotional when you roll withthem, maybe you fucking see red
(18:33):
and bodies at the floor, youknow.
And then you wake up and youjust got choked out.
Um, but like, but you know,when it's those, that person,
you're like, oh, it's lowintensity day, not today, yeah,
and I always found like thosepeople usually feel the same
about you and there's often andwe've spoken about this, like
you often will have that kind of.
(18:53):
You'll both acknowledge yourignorance of one another this
evening.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right, like you'll kind of see each other and then
you'll both separate ends of theroom.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Not choose to roll with each other.
Yeah, and it's kind of like,you know, that thing that
happens in the uh in uh, where,like in the, in the plains in
africa, like serengeti andwhatnot you see it in the nature
, docos I've never been there,um, but where, like, there'll be
like a herd of fucking zebrasand then there'll be, um, you
(19:22):
know, some lions, and the lionswill be like threatening the
zebras and the zebras will dolike I don't know if it's zebras
that do this, or like antelopesor some shit, but they'll do
some kind of like funny posturallittle dance thing.
And what it is is it'sbasically sending a, it's
sending a message to the, to thelions that like, hey, I'm
pretty fit, I'm feeling prettyspringy.
(19:43):
If you want to try and coverthat 150 meter distance, I'm
probably going to get away, soit's not even worth trying.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And, the and and the lines like yeah, nah, let's
fucking go get someone else, andit's like we both agreed to set
it like to not go into the fireIn any case.
I think that's really important, and so to do that, you have to
be okay with being a bitselfish.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, when I first started training BJJ, I had an
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I went to the gym, I knew whatto do, but I didn't actually
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(20:25):
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And it also takes like a littlebit of courage in yourself to
turn someone down if they callyou to roll and you know that
(21:07):
it's kind of like your gymnemesis or it's a hard roll, and
it because no one wants to feellike a coward or no one wants
to feel like they didn't rise tothe challenge or whatever it is
right, like we all have adegree of ego or pride,
regardless, like I.
I know there's been moments.
Ben Hodgkinson and I have hadso many wars right, and when we
(21:30):
were at South Yarra gym, when itwas absolute South Yarra before
it became St Kilda, he was justlike my main training partner.
It was like him and CraigLockie and a couple of other
guys.
But we'd always end up togetherand there was definite times
where he didn't want to rollwith me because he would just
avoid my guy.
I'd walk, I'd walk over to himhe's sitting on the wall and I
(21:53):
would go to be like, oh, youwant to write?
He just would not look me inthe face, right.
And there was definite timeswhere he would be like like
looking for me and I'm just likeI just, I, just, I just go hey,
hey, zach, amen, do you want toroll like?
just who's that gay man?
Uh, zach was the commentator onthe cji trials.
He called him the c?
G.
(22:13):
I try, oh wow, he's a wild man.
Anyway, I shout out zach, he'sa funny guy, but he's a smaller,
not as frightening human as uhhodge hodge.
And there were also times whereyou're talking, we would both
look the other way.
Yeah, you know, like because wewere, we both, either for
injury reasons or energy reasons.
(22:34):
It just wasn't the time, yeah.
But then there was also timeswhen we both lock in and be like
you want a role mate?
Sure sounds great.
I've been waiting for you tocome, you know you.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think it's totally fine to openly acknowledge that
with someone and be like brothernot today.
I can't go into the fire withyou today and people take that
as fuck.
Yeah, like he didn't want toroll me cause I'm a tough role
and so that's great.
It's not.
It's respectful.
It's respectful and you're notsending the wrong message, right
?
Um, I do also like there's.
I've encountered people overthe years who are just kind of
(23:14):
injury machines, oh my God.
And usually with them like Idon't feel the need to explain
anything, I'm just like no,thanks, no, you know.
No, I'm good, I'm going to restthis one, I'm going to go
so-and-so, and, of course, whenyou're brand new, you're
probably not going to feelconfident to say that and you're
not going to the lay of theland, you don't know who these
people are.
But your job is to get the readon the different characters in
(23:36):
your, in your team and start tomake those kind of you have
those little invisible labelsreal.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Okay, not that guy injury machine yeah, yeah, yeah,
there was a guy, uh, arno.
For anyone who used to train atcbd, they know who this guy is.
Arno always had like knee,braces, wrist.
He was always strapped up.
He looked the most injured outof everyone, right, but he
actually was the injury machine.
He would spend 10 minutestelling you oh man, my wrist's
(24:02):
bad, my knee, my fucking neck,and you're like.
So it puts you in this mindsetof like, oh man, really I'm
sorry, yeah, so you don't rollhard.
Let's start chill, and then youjust bam, and you're like, oh
God, fucking Arno, this guy.
Oh no, oh no.
It's like man, fuck that guy.
Shout out, fuck you, arno.
(24:22):
If you ever see this, you prick.
No, he was really into hurtingpeople.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah right, he was really there for it, and Arno
went on to create a brand calledAnaconda, highly successful.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He called anaconda.
Highly successful.
He probably did um.
So let's go to number four.
Number four injury is part ofthe game, and this is something
which we are not accepting.
No, not me, it'll never happento me.
Talk, talk to us about this,joe yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So acceptance is the key thing here and it's it's
it's injury, but it's also timeoff, and that there are going to
be things that happen in yourlife or within jiu-jitsu that
force you to take time offtraining.
You know, it might be like Idon't know, the fucking birth of
your child and you know yourwife needs extra help around the
(25:11):
house and you know, or yourhusband needs extra.
You know, whatever the fuck, itis right, a significant life
happening.
Yeah, something goes on and youcan't train, and um,
understanding that, because it'soften when you try and force it
, during those periods where youcan fuck yourself up, and
particularly if injury, ifinjury occurs right, and you're
like, oh, I took a couple ofdays off and then got back in.
(25:32):
It's like no, you came back tooearly.
I think if you can accept thatit's going to happen and that if
you're going to do this thingfor 10 years, 20 years, there
will be so many times in yourlife that you will be off the
mats for whatever reason, if youcan be okay with that and just
manage yourself well off themats and let that time play out
(25:53):
for whatever it needs to, that'sgoing to keep you in good stead
, then, to stay on the path yeahbut if you're always trying to
force your way back in underunideal circumstances and then
getting hurt again or pissingoff your partner, you know, or
whatever the fuck you're cuttingor ruining the holiday because
I thought it was just us, butyou've gone to visit the fucking
(26:14):
Ralph Gracie Academy down theroad.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Hey babe, we've got this really nice getaway for us.
We're going to Byron Bay.
Oh, by the way, the MeowBrothers are having a seminar at
the academy I booked in twoprivates with Taliesin.
If you could just record for us, if you could just get our
footage of our private lesson.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I'm going to need you to mix the assay for when I get
back to the cabana.
But the but yeah.
So you know, like it's an, it'sthere's an immaturity in, in,
in not accepting the time off,yeah, and you pay a price for
that I.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
I actually had done something similar actually with
taekwondo.
I pretty much completely tornmy mcl and I had to have a leg
brace.
I had crutches.
I Basically physio said if youdo this wrong you're going to
have to have knee surgery, likeyou're going to have to have it
reattached, but right now it'shanging on by a thread.
So I did what I thought wasright in terms of that and I did
(27:06):
get in, but I got a fuckingimpatient.
It was actually doing myfucking head in because I'd gone
from training twice a day atgym, everything just wanting to
be the best, to now I can't walk.
The impatience wasn't actuallygoing back to Taekwondo early,
it was that I tried to dosomething else because I was
going a bit stir crazy and Idecided I was just going to play
(27:28):
a bit of pickup basketball, ofcourse, because it's not that
demanding.
I just got out the brace and Iwas like, oh, it's not sore's
not that demanding.
I just got out the brace and Iwas like, oh, it's not sore,
it's kind of a bit felt a bitwobbly, like almost a little bit
unstable, but I was like I'mjust jogging around, you know,
mate, went up for a rebound,came down, stood on someone's
foot and like rolled my knee inand felt like, and I was like
(27:54):
why?
And then I went back and andthe physio's like what have you
fucking done?
Like you you've gone threemonths and you're kind of back
to square one.
And I will always remember that, because it took me that same
bullshit of the leg brace, thecrutches, another three months,
again, again, and that is, youcan't get that time back.
(28:16):
And that was just like you say,it's kind of immature, because
I just refused to accept thatI'm not there yet.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Fuck yeah, that's that's got to hurt, oh Jesus.
I mean and you hopefully madethat mistake once.
No, no, Well, I did it tomyself right.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, it's the way I got, no one else to blame, it
was on me, but it was a toughlesson to learn.
And so this is where we get tosomething which is something
you've probably never heard ofor you're not thinking about
with your jiu-jitsu, which is, Ithink, one of the most
important things in terms of thesome days poor harder which is
(28:50):
life load management.
Let's talk about this, joe,because this is something that's
not talked about in jujitsu.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, so you have, um , a bunch of different roles in
your life and you could look atthese different roles.
Let's say you have your career,you have your family, you know
whatever like home life, maybe.
You know, maybe you've got arole to play with your, your
parents or your siblings orsomething like that.
You know, maybe you work at afucking soup kitchen and that's
a thing.
But you have these competingobligations, right?
(29:19):
These things are competing foryour time and energy and you
only have so much time andenergy in a given week.
And so there is an organicbalance of sorts, when
everything's kind of floatingalong at a pretty even keel.
But as soon as something getsbusier let's say work asks you
(29:39):
to cover a couple of extrashifts this week, or let's say
you have a newborn now in thehouse, or let's say your fucking
car breaks down right, whateverit is, maybe you've got a
holiday coming up, or it's along weekend or some shit All of
a sudden it's going to throwthe other things out of balance,
and we all feel this, right,it's like we just had a run of
public holidays here in Sydneyor in Australia and it actually
(30:01):
fucks you up.
It throws the rhythm of lifeout?
Yeah, cause you got like thisthese two short weeks and you
know, you kind of take a littlebit of time off and then you're
like, well, I've actually gotextra work to do, but in less
time.
So, yeah, your routine's sortof out of whack.
But the point here is that whenother things happen outside of
the mats, they're going toaffect your ability to be on the
mats yeah definitely, um, and Ithink that like we've like
(30:24):
we've spoken about people likeit's really good to just try and
keep your routine, like that'san important discipline to have,
but you also have to be awarewhen something starts competing
harder for your time and energy,you have to make allowances for
that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Definitely yeah.
And and here's something likeso I I got this from, uh, paul,
check, actually it's.
It talks about physiologicalload that someone coming to you,
if you're a trainer, and you'relooking at them when you ask
them more detailed questionsabout the stress on their bodies
, they may already be carrying50 kilos of physiological load
(31:06):
before you put the bar on theirback.
So even though they tell you,hey, I can squat 100 kilos
because of the amount of timethey spend sitting down, the
physical work they did on theweekend, all this stuff that you
could put 50 kilos on theirback and that's going to feel
like 100 kilos because of allthese other factors.
And we all know it right, likeit doesn't matter if it's tax
(31:28):
time, christmas, something whereyour life outside of jujitsu is
loading you up with stress.
You've got a presentation forthe boss, you've got to manage
staff because you got promotedto manager, whatever the bloody
hell it is, you're like I feelshit when I get to jujitsu.
I just can't.
(31:48):
Why am I not?
What's wrong with me when I goto jujitsu?
It's because we can acknowledgethat there's busyness and stress
and stuff in life, but wesomehow forget that that can
impact our jujitsu and we expectthat every time we go we're
going to be better or find a wayto improve.
And yeah, in ways you couldimprove technically.
(32:10):
But if you're exhausted becauseyou've been up all night with a
crying baby, it will be hardfor you to learn the lesson and
it will be hard for you toperform.
So you do have to factor inthese other parts as really
having a positive or negativeeffect on your jiu-jitsu.
Because that's the thing whenyou've got less on you can
(32:30):
obviously sleep better, trainmore, all this stuff, but when
you've more on it it's got to beconsidered as part of the
things.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's right and I think that you know most folks
could probably like vibe with.
When things get busier in life,probably their jujitsu tends to
drop off a bit.
Right, it's often our trainingis often one of the first things
on the chopping block that wedo sort of subconsciously, and
so that is.
You know, life has a way ofmaintaining a balance there.
But it's often during thosetimes when you try to force it
(33:02):
that you can run into a badsituation.
Here's an example.
Let's say you've picked up anextra couple of shifts at work.
It's a really busy work weekand you're like, no, I'm still
going to get to the gym.
But you find that you're kindof hustling all week.
You're rushing, you jump in thecar trying to fly to training,
(33:22):
blah, blah, you're running alittle bit late to get there.
You skip the normal warmup thatyou typically do.
You jump into the session Likeokay, maybe it's fine once,
maybe it's fine twice, but ifthis is something that you're
doing chronically, you're notsleeping particularly well.
Your meal timings are also outa bit this week because you're
fucking hectic and you didn'thave time to prep on the weekend
.
All of a sudden you've now gotlike eight or ten or a fucking
(33:45):
50 contributing sort of factorsthat are making it you're in a
more injurious environment nowhanging above you like a boulder
.
That's right, it's going tosmash you and so it's like
whatever short term, usually nota big deal.
But for some of us this is thenature of life, right, like it's
up and down in terms of theobligations that we have and the
(34:08):
time and stuff.
So if you find that you'realways grinding in that way and
like pushing and just sort ofhanging on by a thread, maybe
heeding that message and justgoing all right, well, I'm going
to apply a similar kind of upand down or like peaks and
troughs to my training approach.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, and the big challenge here is actually
tracking it, like keeping trackof it.
In the same way, you might havea calendar, google calendar,
whatever you, whatever you putyour meetings in there or you
put your jobs in there thatyou're trying to manage for your
business.
Factor in that things oftencost you a bit more than you
(34:46):
expect, whatever that is, evenhaving family over.
You've got family around forthe holidays or for some special
event.
Family around for the holidaysor for some special event.
I love my family.
They're great, but I do find,after a certain amount of time
spent with them, it goes frombeing like rewarding to being
stressful, and that takes a tollon your energy and running
(35:07):
around and doing things onbehalf of others, even though it
feels good because you'rehelping people, people that can
leave you with a lower charge.
So therefore, for you to expectthat you can walk into jujitsu
and perform the same is kind ofunrealistic.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, so that's the five things, folks.
That's the some days poor heart.
I really wanted to stretch itout to a 12 rules for life.
Some days poor heart.
I kind of look thing.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
But the book will be available on amazon at the end
of the year.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Fucking you bet, um, but I did want to just close on
that point that it is not aboutnot being savage, it's not about
not going hard, it's it's notabout avoiding the challenge,
because these are all the thingsthat jujitsu allows us to do,
which make it inherent, make itspecial and make it a very
powerful, um, game to play, orfucking hobby to have, or sport
(36:01):
to pursue, uh, but it is aboutunderstanding that that takes a
toll and then, if you don'tmanage that intelligently, you
probably won't be able to do itfor long.
So we want to see all you guysbe able to train for as long as
you want and then, when the daycomes where you decide I'm going
to stop training.
Now it's a it's a voluntarychoice, not an involuntary, uh,
(36:21):
something that's forced upon you.
There it is, there it is.
Appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Tell a friend Boom.
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