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SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
Better listen very carefully.
A good martial artist does notbecome tense but ready.
SPEAKER_02 (00:12):
Essentially, at this point, the fight is over.
So you pretty much flow with thegoal.
Who is worthy to be trusted withthe secret to limitless power?
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I'm ready.
What is good BJJ advice and whatis not?
Now, everyone likes to sharetheir opinion with you.
They like to tell you what todo.
And sometimes when you don'tknow what to do, for lack of a
better answer, you go, That'sit.
That's the answer.
And it's not necessarily thecase.
(00:49):
We need to actually work out ifthe person giving you the advice
is giving you something whichwill help you or hinder you.
And we need to break it down alittle bit.
So uh Joe, there was there was ascenario where someone was given
some advice.
They brought it to me and theysaid, Is this good advice?
And I said, Heck no, that isterrible advice.
What kind of advice?
(01:09):
It it was training advice, butit, you know, like gym work or
gym stuff.
But this this person generallypeople speak from their
experience.
And that's for the most part,that's what people have.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Or they have some professional knowledge or
they've they've seen some stuff.
So they they draw theirconclusions, but they don't
necessarily explain it or relateit to you as an individual.
Yeah.
And and generally, you know, thebest advice can take many
levels.
Sometimes devoid of importantcontext, perhaps.
Yeah, a lot of a lot of context.
(01:43):
And so I I had read a book rerecently called Adapt, and it's
all about uh thinking andproblem solving, asking
different questions, and itbrought up some relevant points
that I wanted to uh kind of talkabout with within the world of
uh BJJ.
Because you know, it's a bigit's a big thing, the the
skills, the fitness, the thephilosophy, all the stuff.
(02:04):
But sometimes when someone'sgiving you advice, it it
actually has nothing to do withyou.
It's just them, someone justgiving them um a biographical
kind of monologue of whatthey've done.
And you're like, oh, I couldjust copy that person, they're
great.
And this is the thing that Icommonly get.
I you've you've you've probablyhad a similar experience, Joe,
(02:24):
where someone goes, Oh yeah, butlike Gordon Ryan does this,
therefore X, Y, and Z.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
Obviously, that's what's gonna work for me.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Yeah, and uh, I mean, if you've actually met the
person or you understand them abit more, you might have more
insight to say, well, hey, maybethat's not the case.
Have you have you had examplesof this, Joe, where someone's
either given you what theythought was good advice and it
was trash, or you know, have youhad this scenario?
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, I I think as a coach, right, as a
long time coach, I sniff it outpretty quick when someone's just
giving me when someone that'sunqualified to give me advice.
And what I mean by that, likeI'll take advice from anyone,
right?
From anyone, but I can discernusually if it's good advice or a
(03:12):
stab in the dark or bad advice.
Yeah, and so what I mean by thatis yeah, when someone just gives
you something and you're like,this motherfucker knows nothing
about me, and they've given thenI'll I'll I'll treat that as a
very cheap piece of advice.
Yeah.
But when it's when it's someonethat I respect as a coach or
when it's information that Iknow they've given me based on
their consideration of mycontext, then I'm like, fuck
(03:35):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
And I I think that's super important, right?
Like you can have many peoplewho are good examples, they they
live, they live by their values,and you're like, oh, that's a
good example.
They're they're they're livingby what they believe, right?
But that doesn't mean it's gonnawork for you.
And I I think that when you arein the the job of coaching or
(03:56):
helping someone else, you alwaystry to give it that context of
how does this work for them?
And so I was saying this aboutuh this works specifically for
exercise, but it also works forBJJ as well.
Is you've got the job to bedone, whatever that is, whether
it's a takedown, a sweep, alift, and you go, right, this is
the job to be done, whether it'sgetting stronger, getting more
(04:16):
flexible.
Uh there's tools to address thejob, but then it's like how to
use the tool.
And you've got to ask yourself,could this person use this tool
to for this job, this problemthat they have?
And for the best part, people injujitsu, they don't don't even
think about it that deeply.
They just go, yeah, I always hitthis sweep.
It's the best sweep ever.
You're like, uh, maybe thatworks for you because you're six
(04:36):
foot six and you you've got youknow legs as long as I am tall.
And so I I think what I wantedto do with this chat is just
talk about that there are waysfor us to look at somebody and
and identify whether or not thisis this is a good piece of
advice, or maybe it could besteering you in the wrong
direction.
(04:57):
So the the first um frameworkthat was being used in this
book, and I I've forgotten thename of the author, but
whatever.
Hopefully, uh we can search itout and someone will drop it in
the comments to let me know.
It was saying, is this advicepurely autobiographical?
So it is just it only liveswithin the world of this
person's experience, that itdoes not generally apply
(05:19):
anywhere else.
Right.
And so, sure, it might be reallygood for them, but they've
actually never tested it outsideof that.
They've never taught anyone,they've never helped anyone else
get better at business, jujitsu,whatever else.
So they're like, yeah, it worksfor me.
And so that's that's only onedata point.
And it and so the analysis onthis was has this belief or has
(05:42):
their advice helped them orlimited them?
And and would it help you orlimit you?
Right.
You know, and so I think this isthis is like a pretty good way
to look at things in terms oflike like a belief system.
So oftentimes people were like,oh, if you don't want to do
that, that'll just it'll get yousmall.
Oh, I wouldn't want to stretch,it'll make you weak.
(06:03):
You know, oftentimes peoplelearned something many, many
years ago and they never updatedtheir knowledge.
So the advice they're giving youwas I've been running lately, by
the way, but I'll save that forlater.
How dare you?
Oh my god, you're about to flipthis podcast on its head.
Oh my god, Joe.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
All right.
Now that's there is oneuniversal truth we know.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Go on.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We can we could talk on that.
But it it's interesting becauseyou might get someone who is
quite and this is talked aboutuh a a fair bit, uh, that you
know, your jujitsu coach isn'tnecessarily your life coach.
Sometimes they're cool with thephilosophy and they can give you
something nice, but they mightjust be really good at jujitsu
and then terrible at everythingelse.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
Yeah, so you want to kind of know vector that in when
accepting advice, advice, yeah,whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
Especially crypto investments, yeah.
Well, like if their love life isa mess, you don't want to take
dating advice from that kind ofa person.
So I the thing with me iswhenever I'm talking with
somebody, I'm always interestedto understand uh about their
beliefs and how they're goingbecause sometimes people are
just enjoying their lives andthey're having a good time, and
why would you spoil that?
(07:10):
But uh oftentimes people arewalking around with ideas that
are maybe holding them back.
So, for example, uh relevant tojujitsu, I trained with a guy
many years ago.
He was very much in the the campof the Miao brothers, Mendez
brothers, Bolo when that waslike really hot, talking
probably 2012-ish, and it wasjust like, oh, the Birambolo is
(07:32):
the oh, it's the secret weapon.
This guy would never come up,even if he'd half swept, he
would never even come up on thesweep.
And I was like, what are youdoing?
And he's like, Oh, well, I don'twant the risk of getting swept.
I'm like, but you could get twopoints, right?
You could that could make thewhole match.
He's like, Yeah, but I don'twant to risk it.
(07:52):
I'm like, so so what then?
He's like, Well, I'm just gonnakeep doing this until I take you
back.
I'm like, what if you don't takemy back?
He's like, I was like, mate,that seems you're a bluebelt.
That seems to be kind oflimiting in terms of your whole
jiu-jitsu.
Don't get me wrong, like, youknow, I want to encourage
everybody to do their jujitsutheir way, but it just really
struck me as uh antithetic tojujitsu.
(08:13):
Yeah, it kind of blocked thelearning and the development.
I was like, wow, that's crazy.
And it wasn't that he was young,he was a guy in a mid-just.
I want to win, but only in thisone very specific way.
And if I can't win like that,then I can't win.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, okay, well, allright, good luck sucking at
jujitsu.
But it that's that's the funnything that you often encounter
people, whether it be injiu-jitsu or the gym, that they
(08:34):
have these like they imposethese limits on themselves
artificially.
Right.
And then they someone might sayto them, Hey, how do you do
jujitsu?
And they're like, the bolo isthe only way.
SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Bro, never come on top after you've swept, because
all you're gonna do is getswept.
Yeah, that's that's basicallyhow it goes.
SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Can you can you think of anyexamples where of someone either
giving you bad advice orlimiting advice, thinking they
were doing you a favor?
SPEAKER_00 (08:58):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, no one's given me anyadvice since I got a black belt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
But I'm saying maybe more than ever, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Outside of jujitsu.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Um, outside of jujitsu, oh yeah, all the time.
You know, when people are justreally well-meaning, yeah, and
they they want to help you,yeah, yeah.
You're like, oh, that's I don'tknow if that's solid.
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm trying to think of trying to
think of when like I I witnessbad advice all the time in the
gym.
Um, like particularly when I goon like lift weights and shit at
the gym near my house.
Yeah.
Um, it's just a big commercialgym and there's just so much
fucking shit going on.
Of course, like just purefuckery.
And I listen, I eavesdrop on thecoaches there that doing PT with
(09:39):
their clients, and and Ieavesdrop on the big guy that's
you know the little guy's askingsome advice from.
And um, no one gives me anyadvice there.
I try to get into exchanges withpeople.
Okay, yeah, because I'm usuallytrying to give them some advice,
but no one wants to hear it.
Sure, sure.
So so no, to to you know, toanswer your question, no, I
haven't I haven't had thatrecently.
(10:00):
But I probably give off a littlebit of like a don't come near
me.
Yeah, if you're gonna give mesome fucking advice, it better
be qualified.
You know what I mean?
Because I probably know moreabout all this than you and all
your mates.
Sure.
Um not to sound like a fuckingwanker.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
No, but it's your job.
Yeah.
It's your job, right?
Like I think it's it's here'sthe thing it's a gym is a social
space whether you're doing BJJor or you're just you're lifting
or what what whatever the socialgathering is around physical
activity.
And everybody f has different,um, probably a different feeling
on how qualified they are togive advice.
(10:36):
I've been here 20 years, I don'tknow what's going on, kind of
thing.
It's very different.
Like we don't often hang out ina dentist's office with a ton of
people.
You know, there's not just somerandom guy on the side being
like, nah, nah, like that's nah,don't do a root canal like that.
Nah.
You're like, you know what Imean?
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
Like there's a professional in the room.
That makes me recall one.
Last time I went to the dentist,right?
She's uh she's you know,cleaning my teeth.
You know, really nice lady.
It's the first time I'd been tothis dentist.
I did my teeth doing the whole,you know, they did the fucking
the full clean.
And then um she said, uh, howoften do you floss?
And I said, I floss every day.
Oh, and she said, I'd like youto floss twice a day.
(11:15):
Oh, right on.
And I said, nah, I'm not gonnado it.
I'm like, I look, I get it, Iunderstand it might be of
benefit, but I'm like, I justknow like once a day is
perfectly adequate.
And uh I'm sure there's a bit ofextra benefit from going twice,
but I'm not gonna do it becausethe juice isn't worth the
squeeze.
Yeah.
And she said, all right, noworries.
(11:36):
And then she's like, um, do youever do oil pulling?
You familiar with where yousquish like coconut oil around
your mouth?
No, no, no.
I don't know anything aboutthis.
Please enlighten me.
It's a it's a thing, it's athing in health spaces.
You you basically take like ateaspoon of coconut oil, or I
think castor oil people use.
Okay.
And you you squish it aroundyour mouth and it liquefies very
quickly because it's warm inthere.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (11:56):
Um, but it pulls out like toxins and bacteria and
shit, apparently, from the gumsand the teeth.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, and you do it for like, Idon't know, five, ten minutes
and then you spit it out.
Right.
And she's like, Do you ever dothat?
I'm like, I think I did it once.
Right.
And she's like, I'd like you tostart doing that regularly.
I'm like, sure, how often?
She's like, every day.
I'm like, no, it's not gonnahappen.
And I'm like, because I'm like,I'm like, you first of all, like
(12:19):
I brush religiously twice a day.
Yeah, and and you I scrape mytongue, I floss every night.
I'm like, I'm pretty good withmy dental, but you haven't asked
me about my dental hygiene.
Yeah, you're just trying tohabit stack.
And so I'm like, I'll fucking doit once a week for you, but um,
but I'm like, she's given meadvice before even understanding
what my process is.
(12:40):
And that was the thing whereit's like, no, no, no.
I understand my process and Iunderstand, you know what I
mean?
Do you think you would have beenmore receptive if she'd asked
you first?
Yeah, so right, like in the gymenvironment, where it's like,
well, what training are youalready doing?
Right?
Or what's your game look like?
Why are you doing it?
Do you like playing top game?
Do you like playing right?
So gang gaining context first,okay.
(13:00):
Now that I know that, here'ssomething that I think it would
help you.
Right.
So for her, it would have beenlike, all right, once a week,
fucking Sunday night, I want youto oil pull.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
You know what?
And it'd be great if you did itevery day, but I know you're
probably not going to, so justonce a week.
And I'd be like, good advice,I'll take that.
Yeah, yeah.
But so it's that thing, right?
It's like when someone hasn'tmade an effort to understand
where you're at, then any theadvice could be fucking here or
there.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yeah, I think that's an incredibly important point.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
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SPEAKER_01 (14:19):
You know, and you know, we're on here giving very
general advice anyway.
That's what we do.
But as part of this, also, I Ido regularly, I will ask
somebody, like, how relevant isthis to you?
Have you asked yourself, is thisinformation relevant to me?
Don't just take it as gospel,you know.
Um, the the thing I was justlooking for is the older Italian
(14:42):
men who stand around buildingsites and give advice.
Ummarel.
Ummarel, exactly.
Joey knew it straight away.
I had to google.
I want to be one of those guyssomewhere.
Joey, you are the one.
I'm fucking already there.
You're already there.
Except he'll just see some guylike doing some woodwork in a
shed, like a garage.
Joey walked past by.
Hands, hands go behind the back.
What chisel you got there?
(15:02):
Are you sharpening them today?
Yeah, just start losing youredge.
Got your flat cap on.
But um, it's one of those thingsthat uh the reason why I
mentioned a dentist's office,you don't you don't see some
random person just coming in andheckling the dentist.
I think to put context around,you've been giving people
fitness advice, you know, a lotof years, and you've been paid a
(15:24):
lot of money over that time tohave the craft of doing that.
So you're not just some randomin the gym.
Yeah.
You're not just some guypunching a ton of gear and just,
you know, being like, yeah, justdo what I do.
You know, it's not that.
It's your professional opinion.
Not yet.
Not yet.
It's coming.
But um, you know, Joe's gonna bethe buffest umoral you've ever
(15:45):
seen.
But the the interesting thingaround this kind of questioning
of advice, uh just unpacking it,is does this person have your
best interests at heart?
Now, what I mean by that is canthis person actually see the
difference between them and you?
Because, you know, let's uhshout out Big Harris.
(16:06):
Uh, he's been putting the workin.
Big Harris.
Big Harris.
You know, Big Harris is gonnatake you down, he's gonna smash
past your guard, and he's gonnaAmericana you from sight
control.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
For the other 99.99% of listeners who are not
familiar with Big Harris, he'sum we we haven't actually met
him person, but he's a fan.
Have you met him?
Oh he's a fan of the show.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
Definitely.
I'm trying to, I I felt like Imet him at the ADCC, but maybe
I'm wrong in saying that.
I apologize.
I I feel like I've met him, butfriend of the program.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
He he just he just I think he just won like the ADCC
Advanced Division in his he's abig boy, huge rig, like I don't
know, tough somewhere betweensix and a half and seven foot,
maybe, and and very big.
Strong guy, yep.
Strong guy.
SPEAKER_01 (16:52):
Don't get me wrong, great dude, puts in the work,
does his thing, I respect thehell out of him.
And I'm not saying this to, butI'm saying someone who's of that
archetype will have a differentapproach to jujitsu to say, uh,
you know, a 55 kilo man who'svery flexible or woman, you
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know.
And so they're two verydifferent pieces of advice from
those two athletes, yeah, as tohow you would approach jujitsu.
And I and this is what I wastalking about in terms of best
interests at heart.
Obviously, the person's tryingto help you by giving you
advice, but if they can't lookat you and see where you're at
and have enough introspection tosee where they're at, you know,
(17:34):
mm-hmm I think that this iswhere uh good intentions can
have less good outcomes.
Yeah, you know, they're like,well, this is what I do and it's
it works for me, and you'relike, oh, I'll try that, and you
get triangled.
Or you you try that and you getfucking crushed.
And so it's not that they havebad intentions, it's not that
they're like, oh, see how I meansometimes.
(17:54):
Sometimes you get people who aretrolls, maybe in Brazil, yeah,
or maybe, but maybe just somerandom, you know, uh vengeful
purple belt or brown belt givesa white belt some bad advice
just to mess them up.
But uh I think it's on you asthe person who's receiving the
advice to just go, uh, maybethat's not as good for me as it
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might sound.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Yeah, you gotta be able to read between the lines
and you gotta take it all with agrain of salt.
SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
Um because yeah, I mean, exactly as you said,
right?
This is where like the value ofsomeone like a good coach,
right, is really immeasurablebecause they they know your
context.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
And and and that's what a good coach does.
They know your context and theygive you advice accordingly, or
they go accordingly.
Yeah, yeah.
And and that that adviceobviously changes over time as
you progress.
It's it's like when I did um Idid a Lucas Leprey seminar a
bunch of years ago at at youknow the the Alliance in Sydney,
Adam's first gym, and um none ofhis game applied at all uh is
(18:58):
just so complicated.
There's too many grips, too manysteps.
I was just like, nah.
And so, you know, I mean,potentially if I had a
conversation with him outside ofthat and told him this is what
my game, you know, maybe hewould have given me, but I just
coming off that, I was like,wow, this guy's multiple time
world champion, amazing.
But whatever it is that he wasselling that day, I was like,
no, I'm not buying any of this.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
And I think that's possibly where seminars are
maybe less valuable than sayprivate lessons, yeah.
Because it's just it's generic,it's like one size fits all.
And so, yeah, it's it's stillgood jujitsu, but it doesn't
mean it's applicable.
Yeah.
Um, and then I think the otherthing to the other question to
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ask when given when you'rereceiving advice from someone or
you're seeking advice fromsomeone is to ask why do they
have this perspective, right?
And this is this is the thingI've been trying to do a bit
more to be a bit more reasonablein my approach of being
disagreeable.
Wow.
Because you know, talk aboutsteel manning something, right?
(20:00):
Like you're like, okay, why if Iwere to have this person's
perspective, why why would theythink that?
Why would Dr.
Mike think TGUs are no good?
You know, because maybe he'snever done them that much, and
maybe he just doesn't, he justthinks it's a a joke because
it's not it's not relevant tohim.
So you go, okay, in thatcontext, that makes sense.
(20:23):
But in the context of it notbeing relevant to BJJ, then
that's maybe a differentconversation, you know what I
mean?
So that's the thing I have beenasking myself more recently.
Why does this person think this?
And sometimes, if I could befucked, I will say, what why
what makes you say that?
Like where what in yourexperiences have led you to
(20:44):
think XYZ?
And on the internet, generallypeople don't give a fuck for
that much nuance.
They're just like, you're wrong,dickhead, fuck off.
You're like, oh, okay, great.
I'm with you.
You can fuck off too.
Great chat.
Um, and so that I think for memakes me realize that often
people don't they don't eventhink about why they say what
they say, they just say it.
(21:05):
They're just like, oh yeah, it'sgood.
Does the job, yeah?
And you're like, nah, I for mepersonally, because I barely
listen to fucking anyone, I justdon't.
Uh I'm very resistant.
Unless the person is reallyqualified and they're really
fucking good at what they'retalking about, then I take
interest.
But generally, I'm very um I'mnot receptive to just general
(21:29):
advice.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Unless it's very specific and it solves a problem
that I need solved, I'm nothearing it.
Because I I feel like for thebest part, it's a it's a waste
of time.
And it doesn't mean you can'tlearn from anyone, you can, but
I'm only interested in a verysmall amount of things.
And the rest of it for me, Ifeel is like very distracting.
Uh and so when it comes to uhthe the perspective, and and you
(21:56):
you probably I think you'reprobably you're pretty good at
this because you actually dothis to me a little bit.
You will sometimes I'll saysomething maybe a little bit
outlandish, because also I'mtrying to I'm trying to get an
emotional reaction from Joe,which is challenging sometimes.
And you'll be like, What?
Hang on, what why did you saythat?
What are you what are youtalking about?
And then you you you you make meum qualify what I've said, and
(22:19):
that's it's really good, right?
Is that a habit of yours interms of just talking with
people, or is this somethingyou've kind of learned over time
in terms of just trying to uhhave a conversation with with
with another human?
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Uh Stephen Covey, seven laws of highly effective
people.
Okay, yeah.
Seek to understand before beingunderstood.
Ooh, there you go.
That's a fucking soundbite rightthere.
Fucking big one, man.
Like just well, okay, I'll usingyour specific example, right?
Uh, in an exchange, you youtaught you say a lot.
I do.
You say a lot, and um so so I'mprepared, like, all right,
(22:58):
you're you're you're you'regoing on a thing right now, and
I've got to go with you.
And and so the foundation uponwhich that you're making this
case, I need to just well, hangon.
This is foundation one, clarifythat for me.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, proceed, next one, so thatI can gain the whole picture.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Versus if I just let you go, I'm like, fuck me,
there's about half a dozenthings you said, which I
probably mostly disagree with,but I also don't understand the
context.
So I'm like, so it's it'scontext, right?
I gotta know.
And sometimes, right, it is alsolike, is, and this is the case
with anyone that you'reconversing with, is what they're
actually saying what they'retrying to say, or are they
(23:40):
trying their best to communicatesomething and the word what
they've said hasn't done aperfect job of that.
So then in that way, it's like,all right, let me get to the
heart of what you're trying tosay.
Yep.
And so, yeah, that's a bit ofthat.
But I but so and so I know thatwith you, right?
Whereas if I like I've learnedthis, right?
We've been in business for longenough.
If I respond and I and I haven'tgot my ducks in a row, yeah,
(24:03):
then potentially it's like, ohwow, we're just we're we're both
out on some fucking dinghy inthe middle of the ocean, no
one's got any fucking oars, andit's like this isn't good for
anyone, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm like, let me try andwhittle this down to a thing and
then we can talk about thesemblance of organization.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Some information that maybe you could use, not
just two men rambling.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Fuck you, Xavier.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
Um, yeah.
So look, I I think at the end ofthe day, whether it's fitness,
health, business, anything likethat, as much as a person can be
a very good example of theadvice they would give you, it
doesn't necessarily mean that isthe thing for you.
So I think there's like twoimportant pieces of the puzzle
(24:49):
here.
One, understanding yoursituation, because if you
actually don't know where you'reat, you don't know where the
holes are, and therefore youdon't know what's applicable.
And then two, like, is theperson giving you the advice do
they even, you know, can theyeven look beyond their own
experience to see if, well,maybe this isn't relevant for
you.
I think that's like a a reallyimportant piece of that.
(25:11):
And if you don't know whereyou're at, and the person you're
seeking advice from doesn't evencare where you're at, then the
the information's almost it'salmost borderline irrelevant.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
Yeah.
There it is, folks, question thequestions, and maybe you'll get
an answer.
Better listen very carefully.
A good martial artist does notbecome tense but ready.
SPEAKER_02 (00:12):
Essentially, at this point, the fight is over.
So you pretty much flow with thegoal.
Who is worthy to be trusted withthe secret to limitless power?
SPEAKER_01 (00:27):
I'm ready.
What is good BJJ advice and whatis not?
Now, everyone likes to sharetheir opinion with you.
They like to tell you what todo.
And sometimes when you don'tknow what to do, for lack of a
better answer, you go, That'sit.
That's the answer.
And it's not necessarily thecase.
(00:49):
We need to actually work out ifthe person giving you the advice
is giving you something whichwill help you or hinder you.
And we need to break it down alittle bit.
So uh Joe, there was there was ascenario where someone was given
some advice.
They brought it to me and theysaid, Is this good advice?
And I said, Heck no, that isterrible advice.
What kind of advice?
(01:09):
It it was training advice, butit, you know, like gym work or
gym stuff.
But this this person generallypeople speak from their
experience.
And that's for the most part,that's what people have.
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Or they have some professional knowledge or
they've they've seen some stuff.
So they they draw theirconclusions, but they don't
necessarily explain it or relateit to you as an individual.
Yeah.
And and generally, you know, thebest advice can take many
levels.
Sometimes devoid of importantcontext, perhaps.
Yeah, a lot of a lot of context.
(01:43):
And so I I had read a book rerecently called Adapt, and it's
all about uh thinking andproblem solving, asking
different questions, and itbrought up some relevant points
that I wanted to uh kind of talkabout with within the world of
uh BJJ.
Because you know, it's a bigit's a big thing, the the
skills, the fitness, the thephilosophy, all the stuff.
(02:04):
But sometimes when someone'sgiving you advice, it it
actually has nothing to do withyou.
It's just them, someone justgiving them um a biographical
kind of monologue of whatthey've done.
And you're like, oh, I couldjust copy that person, they're
great.
And this is the thing that Icommonly get.
I you've you've you've probablyhad a similar experience, Joe,
(02:24):
where someone goes, Oh yeah, butlike Gordon Ryan does this,
therefore X, Y, and Z.
SPEAKER_00 (02:31):
Obviously, that's what's gonna work for me.
SPEAKER_01 (02:32):
Yeah, and uh, I mean, if you've actually met the
person or you understand them abit more, you might have more
insight to say, well, hey, maybethat's not the case.
Have you have you had examplesof this, Joe, where someone's
either given you what theythought was good advice and it
was trash, or you know, have youhad this scenario?
SPEAKER_00 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, I I think as a coach, right, as a
long time coach, I sniff it outpretty quick when someone's just
giving me when someone that'sunqualified to give me advice.
And what I mean by that, likeI'll take advice from anyone,
right?
From anyone, but I can discernusually if it's good advice or a
(03:12):
stab in the dark or bad advice.
Yeah, and so what I mean by thatis yeah, when someone just gives
you something and you're like,this motherfucker knows nothing
about me, and they've given thenI'll I'll I'll treat that as a
very cheap piece of advice.
Yeah.
But when it's when it's someonethat I respect as a coach or
when it's information that Iknow they've given me based on
their consideration of mycontext, then I'm like, fuck
(03:35):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
And I I think that's super important, right?
Like you can have many peoplewho are good examples, they they
live, they live by their values,and you're like, oh, that's a
good example.
They're they're they're livingby what they believe, right?
But that doesn't mean it's gonnawork for you.
And I I think that when you arein the the job of coaching or
(03:56):
helping someone else, you alwaystry to give it that context of
how does this work for them?
And so I was saying this aboutuh this works specifically for
exercise, but it also works forBJJ as well.
Is you've got the job to bedone, whatever that is, whether
it's a takedown, a sweep, alift, and you go, right, this is
the job to be done, whether it'sgetting stronger, getting more
(04:16):
flexible.
Uh there's tools to address thejob, but then it's like how to
use the tool.
And you've got to ask yourself,could this person use this tool
to for this job, this problemthat they have?
And for the best part, people injujitsu, they don't don't even
think about it that deeply.
They just go, yeah, I always hitthis sweep.
It's the best sweep ever.
You're like, uh, maybe thatworks for you because you're six
(04:36):
foot six and you you've got youknow legs as long as I am tall.
And so I I think what I wantedto do with this chat is just
talk about that there are waysfor us to look at somebody and
and identify whether or not thisis this is a good piece of
advice, or maybe it could besteering you in the wrong
direction.
(04:57):
So the the first um frameworkthat was being used in this
book, and I I've forgotten thename of the author, but
whatever.
Hopefully, uh we can search itout and someone will drop it in
the comments to let me know.
It was saying, is this advicepurely autobiographical?
So it is just it only liveswithin the world of this
person's experience, that itdoes not generally apply
(05:19):
anywhere else.
Right.
And so, sure, it might be reallygood for them, but they've
actually never tested it outsideof that.
They've never taught anyone,they've never helped anyone else
get better at business, jujitsu,whatever else.
So they're like, yeah, it worksfor me.
And so that's that's only onedata point.
And it and so the analysis onthis was has this belief or has
(05:42):
their advice helped them orlimited them?
And and would it help you orlimit you?
Right.
You know, and so I think this isthis is like a pretty good way
to look at things in terms oflike like a belief system.
So oftentimes people were like,oh, if you don't want to do
that, that'll just it'll get yousmall.
Oh, I wouldn't want to stretch,it'll make you weak.
(06:03):
You know, oftentimes peoplelearned something many, many
years ago and they never updatedtheir knowledge.
So the advice they're giving youwas I've been running lately, by
the way, but I'll save that forlater.
How dare you?
Oh my god, you're about to flipthis podcast on its head.
Oh my god, Joe.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
All right.
Now that's there is oneuniversal truth we know.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Go on.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We can we could talk on that.
But it it's interesting becauseyou might get someone who is
quite and this is talked aboutuh a a fair bit, uh, that you
know, your jujitsu coach isn'tnecessarily your life coach.
Sometimes they're cool with thephilosophy and they can give you
something nice, but they mightjust be really good at jujitsu
and then terrible at everythingelse.
SPEAKER_00 (06:43):
Yeah, so you want to kind of know vector that in when
accepting advice, advice, yeah,whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (06:50):
Especially crypto investments, yeah.
Well, like if their love life isa mess, you don't want to take
dating advice from that kind ofa person.
So I the thing with me iswhenever I'm talking with
somebody, I'm always interestedto understand uh about their
beliefs and how they're goingbecause sometimes people are
just enjoying their lives andthey're having a good time, and
why would you spoil that?
(07:10):
But uh oftentimes people arewalking around with ideas that
are maybe holding them back.
So, for example, uh relevant tojujitsu, I trained with a guy
many years ago.
He was very much in the the campof the Miao brothers, Mendez
brothers, Bolo when that waslike really hot, talking
probably 2012-ish, and it wasjust like, oh, the Birambolo is
(07:32):
the oh, it's the secret weapon.
This guy would never come up,even if he'd half swept, he
would never even come up on thesweep.
And I was like, what are youdoing?
And he's like, Oh, well, I don'twant the risk of getting swept.
I'm like, but you could get twopoints, right?
You could that could make thewhole match.
He's like, Yeah, but I don'twant to risk it.
(07:52):
I'm like, so so what then?
He's like, Well, I'm just gonnakeep doing this until I take you
back.
I'm like, what if you don't takemy back?
He's like, I was like, mate,that seems you're a bluebelt.
That seems to be kind oflimiting in terms of your whole
jiu-jitsu.
Don't get me wrong, like, youknow, I want to encourage
everybody to do their jujitsutheir way, but it just really
struck me as uh antithetic tojujitsu.
(08:13):
Yeah, it kind of blocked thelearning and the development.
I was like, wow, that's crazy.
And it wasn't that he was young,he was a guy in a mid-just.
I want to win, but only in thisone very specific way.
And if I can't win like that,then I can't win.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, okay, well, allright, good luck sucking at
jujitsu.
But it that's that's the funnything that you often encounter
people, whether it be injiu-jitsu or the gym, that they
(08:34):
have these like they imposethese limits on themselves
artificially.
Right.
And then they someone might sayto them, Hey, how do you do
jujitsu?
And they're like, the bolo isthe only way.
SPEAKER_00 (08:43):
Bro, never come on top after you've swept, because
all you're gonna do is getswept.
Yeah, that's that's basicallyhow it goes.
SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Can you can you think of anyexamples where of someone either
giving you bad advice orlimiting advice, thinking they
were doing you a favor?
SPEAKER_00 (08:58):
Oh, yeah.
I mean, no one's given me anyadvice since I got a black belt.
SPEAKER_01 (09:03):
But I'm saying maybe more than ever, guys.
SPEAKER_00 (09:06):
Outside of jujitsu.
SPEAKER_01 (09:07):
Um, outside of jujitsu, oh yeah, all the time.
You know, when people are justreally well-meaning, yeah, and
they they want to help you,yeah, yeah.
You're like, oh, that's I don'tknow if that's solid.
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm trying to think of trying to
think of when like I I witnessbad advice all the time in the
gym.
Um, like particularly when I goon like lift weights and shit at
the gym near my house.
Yeah.
Um, it's just a big commercialgym and there's just so much
fucking shit going on.
Of course, like just purefuckery.
And I listen, I eavesdrop on thecoaches there that doing PT with
(09:39):
their clients, and and Ieavesdrop on the big guy that's
you know the little guy's askingsome advice from.
And um, no one gives me anyadvice there.
I try to get into exchanges withpeople.
Okay, yeah, because I'm usuallytrying to give them some advice,
but no one wants to hear it.
Sure, sure.
So so no, to to you know, toanswer your question, no, I
haven't I haven't had thatrecently.
(10:00):
But I probably give off a littlebit of like a don't come near
me.
Yeah, if you're gonna give mesome fucking advice, it better
be qualified.
You know what I mean?
Because I probably know moreabout all this than you and all
your mates.
Sure.
Um not to sound like a fuckingwanker.
SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
No, but it's your job.
Yeah.
It's your job, right?
Like I think it's it's here'sthe thing it's a gym is a social
space whether you're doing BJJor or you're just you're lifting
or what what whatever the socialgathering is around physical
activity.
And everybody f has different,um, probably a different feeling
on how qualified they are togive advice.
(10:36):
I've been here 20 years, I don'tknow what's going on, kind of
thing.
It's very different.
Like we don't often hang out ina dentist's office with a ton of
people.
You know, there's not just somerandom guy on the side being
like, nah, nah, like that's nah,don't do a root canal like that.
Nah.
You're like, you know what Imean?
SPEAKER_00 (10:52):
Like there's a professional in the room.
That makes me recall one.
Last time I went to the dentist,right?
She's uh she's you know,cleaning my teeth.
You know, really nice lady.
It's the first time I'd been tothis dentist.
I did my teeth doing the whole,you know, they did the fucking
the full clean.
And then um she said, uh, howoften do you floss?
And I said, I floss every day.
Oh, and she said, I'd like youto floss twice a day.
(11:15):
Oh, right on.
And I said, nah, I'm not gonnado it.
I'm like, I look, I get it, Iunderstand it might be of
benefit, but I'm like, I justknow like once a day is
perfectly adequate.
And uh I'm sure there's a bit ofextra benefit from going twice,
but I'm not gonna do it becausethe juice isn't worth the
squeeze.
Yeah.
And she said, all right, noworries.
(11:36):
And then she's like, um, do youever do oil pulling?
You familiar with where yousquish like coconut oil around
your mouth?
No, no, no.
I don't know anything aboutthis.
Please enlighten me.
It's a it's a thing, it's athing in health spaces.
You you basically take like ateaspoon of coconut oil, or I
think castor oil people use.
Okay.
And you you squish it aroundyour mouth and it liquefies very
quickly because it's warm inthere.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (11:56):
Um, but it pulls out like toxins and bacteria and
shit, apparently, from the gumsand the teeth.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, and you do it for like, Idon't know, five, ten minutes
and then you spit it out.
Right.
And she's like, Do you ever dothat?
I'm like, I think I did it once.
Right.
And she's like, I'd like you tostart doing that regularly.
I'm like, sure, how often?
She's like, every day.
I'm like, no, it's not gonnahappen.
And I'm like, because I'm like,I'm like, you first of all, like
(12:19):
I brush religiously twice a day.
Yeah, and and you I scrape mytongue, I floss every night.
I'm like, I'm pretty good withmy dental, but you haven't asked
me about my dental hygiene.
Yeah, you're just trying tohabit stack.
And so I'm like, I'll fucking doit once a week for you, but um,
but I'm like, she's given meadvice before even understanding
what my process is.
(12:40):
And that was the thing whereit's like, no, no, no.
I understand my process and Iunderstand, you know what I
mean?
Do you think you would have beenmore receptive if she'd asked
you first?
Yeah, so right, like in the gymenvironment, where it's like,
well, what training are youalready doing?
Right?
Or what's your game look like?
Why are you doing it?
Do you like playing top game?
Do you like playing right?
So gang gaining context first,okay.
(13:00):
Now that I know that, here'ssomething that I think it would
help you.
Right.
So for her, it would have beenlike, all right, once a week,
fucking Sunday night, I want youto oil pull.
SPEAKER_01 (13:10):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:10):
You know what?
And it'd be great if you did itevery day, but I know you're
probably not going to, so justonce a week.
And I'd be like, good advice,I'll take that.
Yeah, yeah.
But so it's that thing, right?
It's like when someone hasn'tmade an effort to understand
where you're at, then any theadvice could be fucking here or
there.
SPEAKER_01 (13:25):
Yeah, I think that's an incredibly important point.
SPEAKER_00 (13:27):
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SPEAKER_01 (14:19):
You know, and you know, we're on here giving very
general advice anyway.
That's what we do.
But as part of this, also, I Ido regularly, I will ask
somebody, like, how relevant isthis to you?
Have you asked yourself, is thisinformation relevant to me?
Don't just take it as gospel,you know.
Um, the the thing I was justlooking for is the older Italian
(14:42):
men who stand around buildingsites and give advice.
Ummarel.
Ummarel, exactly.
Joey knew it straight away.
I had to google.
I want to be one of those guyssomewhere.
Joey, you are the one.
I'm fucking already there.
You're already there.
Except he'll just see some guylike doing some woodwork in a
shed, like a garage.
Joey walked past by.
Hands, hands go behind the back.
What chisel you got there?
(15:02):
Are you sharpening them today?
Yeah, just start losing youredge.
Got your flat cap on.
But um, it's one of those thingsthat uh the reason why I
mentioned a dentist's office,you don't you don't see some
random person just coming in andheckling the dentist.
I think to put context around,you've been giving people
fitness advice, you know, a lotof years, and you've been paid a
(15:24):
lot of money over that time tohave the craft of doing that.
So you're not just some randomin the gym.
Yeah.
You're not just some guypunching a ton of gear and just,
you know, being like, yeah, justdo what I do.
You know, it's not that.
It's your professional opinion.
Not yet.
Not yet.
It's coming.
But um, you know, Joe's gonna bethe buffest umoral you've ever
(15:45):
seen.
But the the interesting thingaround this kind of questioning
of advice, uh just unpacking it,is does this person have your
best interests at heart?
Now, what I mean by that is canthis person actually see the
difference between them and you?
Because, you know, let's uhshout out Big Harris.
(16:06):
Uh, he's been putting the workin.
Big Harris.
Big Harris.
You know, Big Harris is gonnatake you down, he's gonna smash
past your guard, and he's gonnaAmericana you from sight
control.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
For the other 99.99% of listeners who are not
familiar with Big Harris, he'sum we we haven't actually met
him person, but he's a fan.
Have you met him?
Oh he's a fan of the show.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
Definitely.
I'm trying to, I I felt like Imet him at the ADCC, but maybe
I'm wrong in saying that.
I apologize.
I I feel like I've met him, butfriend of the program.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
He he just he just I think he just won like the ADCC
Advanced Division in his he's abig boy, huge rig, like I don't
know, tough somewhere betweensix and a half and seven foot,
maybe, and and very big.
Strong guy, yep.
Strong guy.
SPEAKER_01 (16:52):
Don't get me wrong, great dude, puts in the work,
does his thing, I respect thehell out of him.
And I'm not saying this to, butI'm saying someone who's of that
archetype will have a differentapproach to jujitsu to say, uh,
you know, a 55 kilo man who'svery flexible or woman, you
(17:12):
know.
And so they're two verydifferent pieces of advice from
those two athletes, yeah, as tohow you would approach jujitsu.
And I and this is what I wastalking about in terms of best
interests at heart.
Obviously, the person's tryingto help you by giving you
advice, but if they can't lookat you and see where you're at
and have enough introspection tosee where they're at, you know,
(17:34):
mm-hmm I think that this iswhere uh good intentions can
have less good outcomes.
Yeah, you know, they're like,well, this is what I do and it's
it works for me, and you'relike, oh, I'll try that, and you
get triangled.
Or you you try that and you getfucking crushed.
And so it's not that they havebad intentions, it's not that
they're like, oh, see how I meansometimes.
(17:54):
Sometimes you get people who aretrolls, maybe in Brazil, yeah,
or maybe, but maybe just somerandom, you know, uh vengeful
purple belt or brown belt givesa white belt some bad advice
just to mess them up.
But uh I think it's on you asthe person who's receiving the
advice to just go, uh, maybethat's not as good for me as it
(18:15):
might sound.
SPEAKER_00 (18:16):
Yeah, you gotta be able to read between the lines
and you gotta take it all with agrain of salt.
SPEAKER_02 (18:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
Um because yeah, I mean, exactly as you said,
right?
This is where like the value ofsomeone like a good coach,
right, is really immeasurablebecause they they know your
context.
SPEAKER_01 (18:33):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
And and and that's what a good coach does.
They know your context and theygive you advice accordingly, or
they go accordingly.
Yeah, yeah.
And and that that adviceobviously changes over time as
you progress.
It's it's like when I did um Idid a Lucas Leprey seminar a
bunch of years ago at at youknow the the Alliance in Sydney,
Adam's first gym, and um none ofhis game applied at all uh is
(18:58):
just so complicated.
There's too many grips, too manysteps.
I was just like, nah.
And so, you know, I mean,potentially if I had a
conversation with him outside ofthat and told him this is what
my game, you know, maybe hewould have given me, but I just
coming off that, I was like,wow, this guy's multiple time
world champion, amazing.
But whatever it is that he wasselling that day, I was like,
no, I'm not buying any of this.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
And I think that's possibly where seminars are
maybe less valuable than sayprivate lessons, yeah.
Because it's just it's generic,it's like one size fits all.
And so, yeah, it's it's stillgood jujitsu, but it doesn't
mean it's applicable.
Yeah.
Um, and then I think the otherthing to the other question to
(19:40):
ask when given when you'rereceiving advice from someone or
you're seeking advice fromsomeone is to ask why do they
have this perspective, right?
And this is this is the thingI've been trying to do a bit
more to be a bit more reasonablein my approach of being
disagreeable.
Wow.
Because you know, talk aboutsteel manning something, right?
(20:00):
Like you're like, okay, why if Iwere to have this person's
perspective, why why would theythink that?
Why would Dr.
Mike think TGUs are no good?
You know, because maybe he'snever done them that much, and
maybe he just doesn't, he justthinks it's a a joke because
it's not it's not relevant tohim.
So you go, okay, in thatcontext, that makes sense.
(20:23):
But in the context of it notbeing relevant to BJJ, then
that's maybe a differentconversation, you know what I
mean?
So that's the thing I have beenasking myself more recently.
Why does this person think this?
And sometimes, if I could befucked, I will say, what why
what makes you say that?
Like where what in yourexperiences have led you to
(20:44):
think XYZ?
And on the internet, generallypeople don't give a fuck for
that much nuance.
They're just like, you're wrong,dickhead, fuck off.
You're like, oh, okay, great.
I'm with you.
You can fuck off too.
Great chat.
Um, and so that I think for memakes me realize that often
people don't they don't eventhink about why they say what
they say, they just say it.
(21:05):
They're just like, oh yeah, it'sgood.
Does the job, yeah?
And you're like, nah, I for mepersonally, because I barely
listen to fucking anyone, I justdon't.
Uh I'm very resistant.
Unless the person is reallyqualified and they're really
fucking good at what they'retalking about, then I take
interest.
But generally, I'm very um I'mnot receptive to just general
(21:29):
advice.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (21:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:31):
Unless it's very specific and it solves a problem
that I need solved, I'm nothearing it.
Because I I feel like for thebest part, it's a it's a waste
of time.
And it doesn't mean you can'tlearn from anyone, you can, but
I'm only interested in a verysmall amount of things.
And the rest of it for me, Ifeel is like very distracting.
Uh and so when it comes to uhthe the perspective, and and you
(21:56):
you probably I think you'reprobably you're pretty good at
this because you actually dothis to me a little bit.
You will sometimes I'll saysomething maybe a little bit
outlandish, because also I'mtrying to I'm trying to get an
emotional reaction from Joe,which is challenging sometimes.
And you'll be like, What?
Hang on, what why did you saythat?
What are you what are youtalking about?
And then you you you you make meum qualify what I've said, and
(22:19):
that's it's really good, right?
Is that a habit of yours interms of just talking with
people, or is this somethingyou've kind of learned over time
in terms of just trying to uhhave a conversation with with
with another human?
SPEAKER_00 (22:33):
Uh Stephen Covey, seven laws of highly effective
people.
Okay, yeah.
Seek to understand before beingunderstood.
Ooh, there you go.
That's a fucking soundbite rightthere.
Fucking big one, man.
Like just well, okay, I'll usingyour specific example, right?
Uh, in an exchange, you youtaught you say a lot.
I do.
You say a lot, and um so so I'mprepared, like, all right,
(22:58):
you're you're you're you'regoing on a thing right now, and
I've got to go with you.
And and so the foundation uponwhich that you're making this
case, I need to just well, hangon.
This is foundation one, clarifythat for me.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, proceed, next one, so thatI can gain the whole picture.
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
Sure.
SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Versus if I just let you go, I'm like, fuck me,
there's about half a dozenthings you said, which I
probably mostly disagree with,but I also don't understand the
context.
So I'm like, so it's it'scontext, right?
I gotta know.
And sometimes, right, it is alsolike, is, and this is the case
with anyone that you'reconversing with, is what they're
actually saying what they'retrying to say, or are they
(23:40):
trying their best to communicatesomething and the word what
they've said hasn't done aperfect job of that.
So then in that way, it's like,all right, let me get to the
heart of what you're trying tosay.
Yep.
And so, yeah, that's a bit ofthat.
But I but so and so I know thatwith you, right?
Whereas if I like I've learnedthis, right?
We've been in business for longenough.
If I respond and I and I haven'tgot my ducks in a row, yeah,
(24:03):
then potentially it's like, ohwow, we're just we're we're both
out on some fucking dinghy inthe middle of the ocean, no
one's got any fucking oars, andit's like this isn't good for
anyone, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm like, let me try andwhittle this down to a thing and
then we can talk about thesemblance of organization.
SPEAKER_01 (24:20):
Some information that maybe you could use, not
just two men rambling.
SPEAKER_02 (24:25):
Fuck you, Xavier.
SPEAKER_01 (24:26):
Um, yeah.
So look, I I think at the end ofthe day, whether it's fitness,
health, business, anything likethat, as much as a person can be
a very good example of theadvice they would give you, it
doesn't necessarily mean that isthe thing for you.
So I think there's like twoimportant pieces of the puzzle
(24:49):
here.
One, understanding yoursituation, because if you
actually don't know where you'reat, you don't know where the
holes are, and therefore youdon't know what's applicable.
And then two, like, is theperson giving you the advice do
they even, you know, can theyeven look beyond their own
experience to see if, well,maybe this isn't relevant for
you.
I think that's like a a reallyimportant piece of that.
(25:11):
And if you don't know whereyou're at, and the person you're
seeking advice from doesn't evencare where you're at, then the
the information's almost it'salmost borderline irrelevant.
SPEAKER_00 (25:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (25:21):
Yeah.
There it is, folks, question thequestions, and maybe you'll get
an answer.
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