May 13, 2025 • 21 mins
Is Jiu Jitsu a fight? On a previous episode, JT took a hard stance. But now we have brought that into question once again. You want to train differently but the gym (which you love) does not have what you're looking for; what do you do? Is G Souders full of S#@!?, or does he just not care to reexplain if you don't get it? Get all of the 100% correct and true answers here.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ Q&A episode
where we answer your questions.
If you want to leave us aquestion for a future Q&A, go to
the websitebulletproofforbjjcom, hit the
podcast tab and record us avoicemail.
Today we've got three good onescoming in for you guys.
Let's kick off with the first.
Let's go Anonymous.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
What's up, boys?
For this question I would liketo remain anonymous, but a
couple of hints as to who I amwould be chiseled, jawline and
massive hog.
But that would decide the point.
My question is in reference tothe DeAndre Corbet episode.
Is the ecological approach?
The future has nothing to dowith the actual episode, but it
(01:14):
does refer to you guys sayingthat DeAndre Corbet fought Max
Hansen and he fought the best ofthe best and he fought this guy
.
He had a fight with this guy.
If I remember, in a long timeago episode you said jiu-jitsu
was not fighting.
(01:34):
So I just wanted to give youguys the opportunity to clear
the air.
Set the record straight Isjiu-jitsu a fight or is it not a
fight?
Wow, because it seems likethere's some conflicting
evidence.
Thanks, cheers.
Wow, who knew it?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
to a fight or is it not a fight?
Wow, because it's seems likethere's some conflicting
evidence.
Thanks, cheers, wow, who knewbig insight from the young man
obviously listened to all theprevious episodes.
Someone and I think fair callout jt.
Well, I think it's a laziness.
It's a laziness thing on my, mybehalf.
I still solidly believe thatgrappling is is not fighting in
terms of it being restricted inwhat can be involved.
(02:06):
It's funny that he's like I'lljust throw ecological in here.
Yeah, let me get two questionsin on this question Look
relevant to DeAndre Corbet andecological for grappling.
Mate, after speaking with Gregand I did give it some thought,
mate, after speaking with Gregand I did give it some thought I
(02:31):
have a strong impression thatyou really have to change the
way you look at perception andthe way the brain works to
understand what Greg is talkingabout.
Like he's talking aboutchanging the way you view
learning and the way the brainprocesses information.
I don't know if everybody canjust get on board with that
straight away.
It doesn't mean it's not betteror it doesn't work, it's just
that's a lot I was thinkingabout.
I was like whoa man, you'retelling me I got to change the
(02:53):
way I perceive reality, to beable to learn better, like whoa,
if I'm talking to old mate Garyand just being like, ah, look,
you're trying to get better atthis armbar we have to go back
to cognition perception and it'stough Like, yeah, it's really
great if you can do that.
I think that what Greg is doingis awesome and you know, deandre
(03:15):
as an athlete is amazing, butman not sure.
Also, jujitsu is not a fight.
I'll be less lazy in future.
Sorry, chiseled jaw big hog man.
I'll be less lazy in future.
Sorry, chiseled jaw big hog man.
I mean, as you say, I was justgoing through all the different
hogs I've encountered in my life, all of them, and I'm like fuck
, who could it be?
Chiseled jaw.
I'm like Channing Tatum Biggesthog.
You're just like hang on.
(03:35):
Is it like microphone?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I've got suspicions.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've got suspicions that we in Vegas last year this
is my deep suspicion.
All right, so the two parts tothat.
Yes, I appreciate that youcalled out JT on his misspeaking
there, because I also havethought the same thing.
Wait, you said it wasn't afight, but now it's a fight.
So where do we stand on that?
I just sound like a wankersaying a grapple, like it
(04:01):
doesn't sound right.
I mean you could just say, justsay, yeah, it's just a form of
fighting, we're not going to getinto that.
No, I don't, I don't agree, uh.
But regarding the ecologicalthing, here's what I reckon, I
think.
Short answer yes, I think gregsouders will have a lasting
influence on how we learnjujitsu.
I think that him not like'sinnovating, but he's also
(04:26):
bringing a body of evidence andwork from elsewhere in academia
and other sports, to jujitsu.
There are other proponents ofthis.
It will grow beyond him, right,but I do think that, yes, it
will become a thing.
I think that, like with a lotof kind of what's, what's the
way to look at this, often whatyou get with such movements is
(04:49):
that people come and they like,like.
I think Greg's bringing a kindof radical approach, as in, he's
sort of all in on it and it'slike and and a lot of the
proponents of it right now arelike all or nothing, and I think
that that I don't think that'sgoing to be the thing, because I
think that just requires if welook at how jujitsu is passed on
, it's a communally taught thing.
(05:10):
It's like oh, I learned someshit from someone.
I'm a purple belt, I'm going topass it on to these guys.
So that organic nature of howit is taught means that there is
no like if we had all jujitsucoaches going to university to
get do a fucking PhD in it,maybe Right, but they're not.
And so I think that it willalways be a mix of the
(05:32):
traditional way that we know nowand then maybe some of this
newer constraints based stuff.
But I do think that it's goingto have an impact.
I don't.
I don't think that is can.
That doesn't sit with, uh, fromwhat Greg said, with the
conclusion of our conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, he said it can't right, it can't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It can't coexist.
Either you look at the worldthis way and you learn this way,
or you look at the world thisway and you do that?
Yeah, but I disagree with thaton the basis that he is a purist
.
But it's not only that he's apurist, it's coming from a take
on the way the brain learns andperceives is not how we
(06:10):
currently understand it to work.
Yes, but we know that.
It also like we know that theway we teach jujitsu now works.
The argument is what worksbetter, right?
So?
And he also said that, and hesaid like, not verbatim.
But I asked him, like, do younot see coaches using elements
(06:31):
of constraints-based learningalready with, like, positional
sparring?
And he said yes, but they don'tknow why they're doing it,
which to me indicates well, sure, maybe if they knew why, they
might be somewhat better atapplying those tools.
But, irrespective, they'regoing to take those tools, the
ones that speak to them, andthey're going to recycle them.
(06:51):
And so, in that way, I'm like Ithink that you're going to end
up with a mishmash you can, butI ultimately believe what Greg
is trying to achieve is acomplete change in the way we
look at learning and thendeliver learning, like deliver
teaching as a result.
Yeah, he is, but I don't thinkthat's what's going to happen.
I think he'll have an impact,maybe not exactly the impact he
(07:15):
would hope to have, but I thinkthat he'll be an influential
person.
I think he's already doing it,but we'll see where it goes.
But good luck to you.
Chiseled jaw, big hog man.
Next one coming in anthony hey,what's up guys.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Love the podcast, been honestly listening to it a
lot.
I'm an amazon driver out herein albuquerque, new mexico, the
united states america, and uh, Ihave a question more about, um,
maybe, if it's time to switchgyms.
Uh, I haven't been doing thisvery long, only about two and a
half months, but when I hit twomonths I got my second stripe
(07:58):
and I entered a competition so Iwas able to do live rolls and
then I won my division and I washoping to get my third stripe,
because you can't roll unlessyou get three stripes.
I was training at Gracie Baja,okay, and I'm wondering now I'd
rather switch to no gi.
I don't like the gi, I reallyjust want to stick to no gi and
really get like really goodtraining and there's a 10th
(08:20):
planet.
But I really love my professors, I really have a good bond with
them.
They have been helping me onthe side without any extra
payment, have just been helpingme and being super cool and I
really have a good bond thereand I love the community there
and I'm kind of.
I'm not a big guy, I'm onlylike one 80 at six foot, one 85
or like one 85, one 84.
(08:40):
But, I don't want to go to a gymwhere everyone's trying to kill
each other and he's justgetting hurt.
So I'm wondering is should Istay and try to stick to the gi,
or should I?
Am I able to go?
I feel like I'm betraying themand I don't know how to get past
that.
If you guys can let me know ifit's too early, if I try to just
stick to the gi, that'd begreat.
Thank you, guys, so much.
Awesome podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Shout out Anthony Legend, there is.
There's two.
I feel there's two keycomponents to this question and
we've had similar questions inthe past.
But let's, let's speak to whereyou are now.
Um, it's um.
It is the question of one.
What do I want to do with myjujitsu?
And if your intent is to do nogi and you're not enjoying the
(09:27):
gi, then you need to spend sometime at a no-gi gym.
You might change your mind.
You might go there, do it andthen be like you know what.
I want to put that gi back on.
I want to get back in thepajamas, but you've got to go
there to come back.
The first question is what doyou want to do?
You need to make a decisionaround that and that will inform
what you do next.
And you need to make a decisionaround that and that will
(09:48):
inform what you do next.
Now, yes, obviously it soundslike there's great coaching
staff at the Gracie Baja youtrain at and they want to
support you and clearly you'veexpressed early promise.
You've won a tournament and youwant to get that next stripe.
Look, stripes and time.
It doesn't sound like you'vetrained that long to be getting
I said two and a half months,two and a half months, three
(10:09):
stripes.
I know people who've trainedfor two years and haven't got
three stripes right, like it'sall different for where you are.
But the whole relationship withthe coach thing, I think it's
not a problem for you to go trya class at the 10th Planet Gym.
Don't tell your coaches, justgo do it, do it as an experiment
(10:29):
, feel out, try before you buy,and you never know.
You can make friends everywhere.
Now there are coaches out therewho will, kind of, you will
burn a bridge by not trainingwith them, but then over time
that goes away and you can befriends again.
And it shouldn't come down toloyalty, this, that, this.
(10:49):
You want to do a certain thing.
If your gym doesn't providethat service, you need to go
where you can.
I was training at a gym that Ireally liked but they just
didn't have that many strongpeople there and even though it
was a great gym and I liked thestaff, I had to go where the
strongest people were to getstronger and push, and that's
(11:10):
what I did and I'm still friendswith those people from that old
gym and now I have new friendswho, um, you know, at the new
gym and um, decide what you wantand then, you know, go and find
out what that other thing is,because the fear of rejection,
that is just going to limit yourwhole life.
Don't worry about it.
I reckon, anthony, that I thinkthat's a very valid you know
(11:36):
approach.
What JT said as a flip on that,I think that at two and a half
months you don't know jujitsuyet you don't.
You don't know where you wantto months it's early.
You don't know jujitsu yet youdon't.
You don't know where you wantto go, like potentially, you
don't know where you want to go.
That because you just don'tknow it, yeah.
And so I'm thinking you saidthat you really love your
professors at the gym, thatyou're at.
A great coach once told me andthis is not a jujitsu coach,
(11:58):
this is like in the movementgame but he said find a good
teacher and learn whatever it isthat they're teaching right,
and then what I understood fromthat was that it's often what's
more important is having a greatteacher versus someone that
teaches exactly the thing youwant, but they're not a great
teacher.
Yeah, so in that way, I think,if you've got a good thing going
(12:21):
at your current gym and you'retwo and a half months in, I'd
fucking stick with it.
I'd give it six to twelve andthen if you're like, hey, I
really want to pursue no gi,then fuck, go do that.
But I would think that likesort of I think maybe you're
looking a bit too deep right nowand maybe maybe that's a bit
odd that in the street, thethree stripe thing before you
can roll, I get that as a as apolicy for safety.
(12:42):
However, it gets a little bitkind of it sort of blows up in
their face when a student who'sonly got two stripes can go do a
competition, win, kick some assand then come back and not be
able to roll in the academy.
Yeah, it's a bit weird.
Yeah, it's like sending kids,like sending minors, to war and
then they come back and theycan't buy a beer, right, yeah.
So I think that's silly and Ithink that maybe you could talk
(13:05):
to your coach about that, aboutthat and just like I really want
to fucking.
Just let me bang, coach, let mefucking bang bro.
Yeah, that's, that's the vibe.
I hope that helps man.
Yeah, shout out, that's twocoming in from the us.
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Last question, robert.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Hey guys, robert here from Kansas City Just finished
part two of the Greg Soudersseries on constraints-based
learning ecological training andyou guys did a great job.
My general takeaway fromlistening to both podcasts is a
general sense of frustration.
Basically, I'm listening togreg talk and he's dropping a
(14:30):
lot of fancy big words and termsand obscure shit and all I can
walk away thinking is dude, whatthe fuck are you talking about?
I you're just confusing theabsolute hell out of me, man.
So a little ironic that theskill acquisition guy is fucking
terrible at conveying thatskill acquisition to other
(14:52):
people.
So yeah, I just got the feelingthat he's one of those guys
that's dropping you know,dropping big words and fancy
terms just to sound impressive.
It's like, I don't know, man,maybe he's right, he probably is
right.
I want him to be right.
I think he probably is, but itcomes across as dude, you either
(15:16):
don't know what you're talkingabout or you're full of shit or
both.
So I say all that.
It may sound like I didn't enjoyit.
I did.
I enjoy those two podcasts.
I enjoy all your podcasts.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Thanks, take care.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
All right, legend, appreciate you sharing your
feelings on that episode.
I can appreciate that.
Look two things on that.
Greg is so deep in his ownthought process and he actually
said this after, it would havebeen great to have it in the
interview he doesn't evenrealize, like, when he's talking
with someone else whounderstands what he's talking
about in terms of ecologicallearning and all this stuff,
(15:56):
that people are like whoa, whoa,whoa, slow down egghead.
He doesn't even realize howinto his own vernacular and
language and all his dogma andshit that he is, that he's not
making it relatable to thecommon man.
Yeah, and he doesn't actuallykind of care to.
He's kind of like no, this isthe way and you know, if you get
on board, then you'll benefitand otherwise whatever, like you
(16:17):
don't have to do this.
Fuck you.
Like not in a negative way, buthe he's unapologetic about his
dedication to this thing.
Does that sometimes make himkind of unapproachable,
unavailable?
Yeah, and he kind of doesn'tgive a shit, like he's kind of
he's just doing him, you know,and he's not a bad person.
(16:38):
I will say that Greg Souders ismisunderstood in that way.
Is that actually?
He's not high for looting?
He's none of that he isincredibly smart but as a result
, he doesn't think about howhe's perceived.
He doesn't think it matters andif you are a communicator and
you're trying to convince peopleof your case, that does
(16:59):
actually matter.
But because, like Joe said,he's a Puritan, he kind of
doesn't care.
He's doing it for the love ofthe thing he's doing.
The second thing on that was wedidn't bring up the gi, which I
would have loved to have done.
But I've seen interviews wherehe's like the gi makes you too
specific, the grips are toospecific, it doesn't actually
make you a real grappler.
The gi is its own tool, blah,blah, blah.
(17:21):
And he talks down all thereasons why.
Because people said well, howabout ecological?
For the guy he doesn't havegood answers for that because it
is so technical.
Well, according to our boy, hedoesn't have good answers for
the other either.
Yeah, but no, it's more justthe communication piece and I
what I wanted chat with Greg wasto try to put it out there for
the everyday guy.
(17:41):
How can we make this complex?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
fucking shit.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, like, like, just make it.
So I understand what you'retalking about and I felt like we
maybe we hit a halfway point onthat.
We got a bit closer.
Yeah, like, I think I think wedid a reasonable job of of
giving him that opportunity.
Yes, right, but just speakingto the Greg does know, is he
making it relatable?
Probably not.
(18:05):
Doesn't mean he's wrong, notnecessarily right.
It's not that he's wrong.
He's got his take and if you'reon board with it, that's really
fucking good.
And I apologize that we didn'tdo a better job of kind of
breaking it down and making itaccessible, because that was our
goal.
But the thing I had thoughtlater was part of the reason why
so many people in jujitsu arelike what the fuck are you
(18:26):
talking about?
Man, he's not speaking aboutthe gi and he has openly said
that the gi is not making you agreat grappler.
It makes you too specific.
It's this because theecological approach isn't
nuanced enough aroundspecificity for the gi and
that's why doing specific drillsand having specific grips is
(18:47):
important in the gi and I wouldhave loved to have brought that
up because it was maybe amissing thing.
So if you're someone who doestrain gi and you're listening to
this guy, you're like, seemstoo general, maybe for the gi it
is.
And look, I think that youcan't write him off entirely.
Greg is not wrong in what hesays, but the way he delivers it
(19:10):
could be better.
Yeah, and I think, robert, youknow, in his piece there sort of
made that point.
He's like you know.
All of that said, I think he'sprobably right, you know.
And so, yeah, I think he's.
Yeah, he doesn't do a great jobwith the communications piece.
I was thinking about that.
We're very spoiled these daysfor great communicators, right,
you think about people like, uh,neil degrasse tyson, oh, the
(19:31):
best prior to him, I, I neverlistened to any astrophysicist
because I don't know what thefuck they're talking about.
Yeah, but you got a guy likehim.
That's like, right, I got thisskill set.
I'm going to water it down andI'm going to deliver it in this
way so that I can access, sopeople care about all these
regular people and they canstart to appreciate some of the
tip of what I know, right, aboutthe universe.
And so in that way, you couldlook at all of the previous
(19:53):
astrophysicists who weren't ableto communicate like that.
And this is where I think, likeGreg's coming in with this
puritanical piece, there aregoing to be people that come in
that are more moderate, that cantake the good bits, that can go
, fuck, yeah, I can market this,I can see the gold in what he's
got.
I'm going to fucking take thisbit, this bit, this bit, and I'm
going to sell this.
Sell as in marketingcommunication, yeah.
(20:16):
And then that's where you startto get stuff that enters more
like the, you know whatever thezeitgeist of the everyday
grappler.
Make it more accessible, yeah,accessible, yeah.
So, um, so, yeah, yeah, a fairpoint, good observation.
And and I enjoyed the chat toodid come away from it thinking,
fuck, would have been great ifwe just didn't feel like we
wanted, like it didn't go hardenough.
Give me the bullet points onthat.
Like, yeah, make it supersimple for me yeah, and and
(20:39):
enjoyed it nonetheless yeah, wemight get another opportunity.
I think you know I'd love to goout there and train uh at
standard, get a chance to have arole with him and a role with
his boys as well, and it wouldbe good to hear more from the
students as well, their take onthe journey and all of that.
But, yeah, no, you're right interms of what you're saying,
that if you understand somethingreally well, you should be able
(21:03):
to say it simply.
And I think it's not becauseGreg doesn't know what he's
talking about.
I think he just doesn't care ifyou don't get it.
And that's yeah, that's maybe.
That's maybe that's holding themovement back a little.
But good, good, good question.
And that's three from three forthe U?
S today Strong representationfrom our folks over there.
(21:25):
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A good martial artist does not become tense but ready
.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to another Bulletproof for BJJ Q&A episode
where we answer your questions.
If you want to leave us aquestion for a future Q&A, go to
the websitebulletproofforbjjcom, hit the
podcast tab and record us avoicemail.
Today we've got three good onescoming in for you guys.
Let's kick off with the first.
Let's go Anonymous.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
What's up, boys?
For this question I would liketo remain anonymous, but a
couple of hints as to who I amwould be chiseled, jawline and
massive hog.
But that would decide the point.
My question is in reference tothe DeAndre Corbet episode.
Is the ecological approach?
The future has nothing to dowith the actual episode, but it
(01:14):
does refer to you guys sayingthat DeAndre Corbet fought Max
Hansen and he fought the best ofthe best and he fought this guy
.
He had a fight with this guy.
If I remember, in a long timeago episode you said jiu-jitsu
was not fighting.
(01:34):
So I just wanted to give youguys the opportunity to clear
the air.
Set the record straight Isjiu-jitsu a fight or is it not a
fight?
Wow, because it seems likethere's some conflicting
evidence.
Thanks, cheers.
Wow, who knew it?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
to a fight or is it not a fight?
Wow, because it's seems likethere's some conflicting
evidence.
Thanks, cheers, wow, who knewbig insight from the young man
obviously listened to all theprevious episodes.
Someone and I think fair callout jt.
Well, I think it's a laziness.
It's a laziness thing on my, mybehalf.
I still solidly believe thatgrappling is is not fighting in
terms of it being restricted inwhat can be involved.
(02:06):
It's funny that he's like I'lljust throw ecological in here.
Yeah, let me get two questionsin on this question Look
relevant to DeAndre Corbet andecological for grappling.
Mate, after speaking with Gregand I did give it some thought,
mate, after speaking with Gregand I did give it some thought I
(02:31):
have a strong impression thatyou really have to change the
way you look at perception andthe way the brain works to
understand what Greg is talkingabout.
Like he's talking aboutchanging the way you view
learning and the way the brainprocesses information.
I don't know if everybody canjust get on board with that
straight away.
It doesn't mean it's not betteror it doesn't work, it's just
that's a lot I was thinkingabout.
I was like whoa man, you'retelling me I got to change the
(02:53):
way I perceive reality, to beable to learn better, like whoa,
if I'm talking to old mate Garyand just being like, ah, look,
you're trying to get better atthis armbar we have to go back
to cognition perception and it'stough Like, yeah, it's really
great if you can do that.
I think that what Greg is doingis awesome and you know, deandre
(03:15):
as an athlete is amazing, butman not sure.
Also, jujitsu is not a fight.
I'll be less lazy in future.
Sorry, chiseled jaw big hog man.
I'll be less lazy in future.
Sorry, chiseled jaw big hog man.
I mean, as you say, I was justgoing through all the different
hogs I've encountered in my life, all of them, and I'm like fuck
, who could it be?
Chiseled jaw.
I'm like Channing Tatum Biggesthog.
You're just like hang on.
(03:35):
Is it like microphone?
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I've got suspicions.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I've got suspicions that we in Vegas last year this
is my deep suspicion.
All right, so the two parts tothat.
Yes, I appreciate that youcalled out JT on his misspeaking
there, because I also havethought the same thing.
Wait, you said it wasn't afight, but now it's a fight.
So where do we stand on that?
I just sound like a wankersaying a grapple, like it
(04:01):
doesn't sound right.
I mean you could just say, justsay, yeah, it's just a form of
fighting, we're not going to getinto that.
No, I don't, I don't agree, uh.
But regarding the ecologicalthing, here's what I reckon, I
think.
Short answer yes, I think gregsouders will have a lasting
influence on how we learnjujitsu.
I think that him not like'sinnovating, but he's also
(04:26):
bringing a body of evidence andwork from elsewhere in academia
and other sports, to jujitsu.
There are other proponents ofthis.
It will grow beyond him, right,but I do think that, yes, it
will become a thing.
I think that, like with a lotof kind of what's, what's the
way to look at this, often whatyou get with such movements is
(04:49):
that people come and they like,like.
I think Greg's bringing a kindof radical approach, as in, he's
sort of all in on it and it'slike and and a lot of the
proponents of it right now arelike all or nothing, and I think
that that I don't think that'sgoing to be the thing, because I
think that just requires if welook at how jujitsu is passed on
, it's a communally taught thing.
(05:10):
It's like oh, I learned someshit from someone.
I'm a purple belt, I'm going topass it on to these guys.
So that organic nature of howit is taught means that there is
no like if we had all jujitsucoaches going to university to
get do a fucking PhD in it,maybe Right, but they're not.
And so I think that it willalways be a mix of the
(05:32):
traditional way that we know nowand then maybe some of this
newer constraints based stuff.
But I do think that it's goingto have an impact.
I don't.
I don't think that is can.
That doesn't sit with, uh, fromwhat Greg said, with the
conclusion of our conversation.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, he said it can't right, it can't.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It can't coexist.
Either you look at the worldthis way and you learn this way,
or you look at the world thisway and you do that?
Yeah, but I disagree with thaton the basis that he is a purist
.
But it's not only that he's apurist, it's coming from a take
on the way the brain learns andperceives is not how we
(06:10):
currently understand it to work.
Yes, but we know that.
It also like we know that theway we teach jujitsu now works.
The argument is what worksbetter, right?
So?
And he also said that, and hesaid like, not verbatim.
But I asked him, like, do younot see coaches using elements
(06:31):
of constraints-based learningalready with, like, positional
sparring?
And he said yes, but they don'tknow why they're doing it,
which to me indicates well, sure, maybe if they knew why, they
might be somewhat better atapplying those tools.
But, irrespective, they'regoing to take those tools, the
ones that speak to them, andthey're going to recycle them.
(06:51):
And so, in that way, I'm like Ithink that you're going to end
up with a mishmash you can, butI ultimately believe what Greg
is trying to achieve is acomplete change in the way we
look at learning and thendeliver learning, like deliver
teaching as a result.
Yeah, he is, but I don't thinkthat's what's going to happen.
I think he'll have an impact,maybe not exactly the impact he
(07:15):
would hope to have, but I thinkthat he'll be an influential
person.
I think he's already doing it,but we'll see where it goes.
But good luck to you.
Chiseled jaw, big hog man.
Next one coming in anthony hey,what's up guys.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Love the podcast, been honestly listening to it a
lot.
I'm an amazon driver out herein albuquerque, new mexico, the
united states america, and uh, Ihave a question more about, um,
maybe, if it's time to switchgyms.
Uh, I haven't been doing thisvery long, only about two and a
half months, but when I hit twomonths I got my second stripe
(07:58):
and I entered a competition so Iwas able to do live rolls and
then I won my division and I washoping to get my third stripe,
because you can't roll unlessyou get three stripes.
I was training at Gracie Baja,okay, and I'm wondering now I'd
rather switch to no gi.
I don't like the gi, I reallyjust want to stick to no gi and
really get like really goodtraining and there's a 10th
(08:20):
planet.
But I really love my professors, I really have a good bond with
them.
They have been helping me onthe side without any extra
payment, have just been helpingme and being super cool and I
really have a good bond thereand I love the community there
and I'm kind of.
I'm not a big guy, I'm onlylike one 80 at six foot, one 85
or like one 85, one 84.
(08:40):
But, I don't want to go to a gymwhere everyone's trying to kill
each other and he's justgetting hurt.
So I'm wondering is should Istay and try to stick to the gi,
or should I?
Am I able to go?
I feel like I'm betraying themand I don't know how to get past
that.
If you guys can let me know ifit's too early, if I try to just
stick to the gi, that'd begreat.
Thank you, guys, so much.
Awesome podcast.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Shout out Anthony Legend, there is.
There's two.
I feel there's two keycomponents to this question and
we've had similar questions inthe past.
But let's, let's speak to whereyou are now.
Um, it's um.
It is the question of one.
What do I want to do with myjujitsu?
And if your intent is to do nogi and you're not enjoying the
(09:27):
gi, then you need to spend sometime at a no-gi gym.
You might change your mind.
You might go there, do it andthen be like you know what.
I want to put that gi back on.
I want to get back in thepajamas, but you've got to go
there to come back.
The first question is what doyou want to do?
You need to make a decisionaround that and that will inform
what you do next.
And you need to make a decisionaround that and that will
(09:48):
inform what you do next.
Now, yes, obviously it soundslike there's great coaching
staff at the Gracie Baja youtrain at and they want to
support you and clearly you'veexpressed early promise.
You've won a tournament and youwant to get that next stripe.
Look, stripes and time.
It doesn't sound like you'vetrained that long to be getting
I said two and a half months,two and a half months, three
(10:09):
stripes.
I know people who've trainedfor two years and haven't got
three stripes right, like it'sall different for where you are.
But the whole relationship withthe coach thing, I think it's
not a problem for you to go trya class at the 10th Planet Gym.
Don't tell your coaches, justgo do it, do it as an experiment
(10:29):
, feel out, try before you buy,and you never know.
You can make friends everywhere.
Now there are coaches out therewho will, kind of, you will
burn a bridge by not trainingwith them, but then over time
that goes away and you can befriends again.
And it shouldn't come down toloyalty, this, that, this.
(10:49):
You want to do a certain thing.
If your gym doesn't providethat service, you need to go
where you can.
I was training at a gym that Ireally liked but they just
didn't have that many strongpeople there and even though it
was a great gym and I liked thestaff, I had to go where the
strongest people were to getstronger and push, and that's
(11:10):
what I did and I'm still friendswith those people from that old
gym and now I have new friendswho, um, you know, at the new
gym and um, decide what you wantand then, you know, go and find
out what that other thing is,because the fear of rejection,
that is just going to limit yourwhole life.
Don't worry about it.
I reckon, anthony, that I thinkthat's a very valid you know
(11:36):
approach.
What JT said as a flip on that,I think that at two and a half
months you don't know jujitsuyet you don't.
You don't know where you wantto months it's early.
You don't know jujitsu yet youdon't.
You don't know where you wantto go, like potentially, you
don't know where you want to go.
That because you just don'tknow it, yeah.
And so I'm thinking you saidthat you really love your
professors at the gym, thatyou're at.
A great coach once told me andthis is not a jujitsu coach,
(11:58):
this is like in the movementgame but he said find a good
teacher and learn whatever it isthat they're teaching right,
and then what I understood fromthat was that it's often what's
more important is having a greatteacher versus someone that
teaches exactly the thing youwant, but they're not a great
teacher.
Yeah, so in that way, I think,if you've got a good thing going
(12:21):
at your current gym and you'retwo and a half months in, I'd
fucking stick with it.
I'd give it six to twelve andthen if you're like, hey, I
really want to pursue no gi,then fuck, go do that.
But I would think that likesort of I think maybe you're
looking a bit too deep right nowand maybe maybe that's a bit
odd that in the street, thethree stripe thing before you
can roll, I get that as a as apolicy for safety.
(12:42):
However, it gets a little bitkind of it sort of blows up in
their face when a student who'sonly got two stripes can go do a
competition, win, kick some assand then come back and not be
able to roll in the academy.
Yeah, it's a bit weird.
Yeah, it's like sending kids,like sending minors, to war and
then they come back and theycan't buy a beer, right, yeah.
So I think that's silly and Ithink that maybe you could talk
(13:05):
to your coach about that, aboutthat and just like I really want
to fucking.
Just let me bang, coach, let mefucking bang bro.
Yeah, that's, that's the vibe.
I hope that helps man.
Yeah, shout out, that's twocoming in from the us.
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Last question, robert.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Hey guys, robert here from Kansas City Just finished
part two of the Greg Soudersseries on constraints-based
learning ecological training andyou guys did a great job.
My general takeaway fromlistening to both podcasts is a
general sense of frustration.
Basically, I'm listening togreg talk and he's dropping a
(14:30):
lot of fancy big words and termsand obscure shit and all I can
walk away thinking is dude, whatthe fuck are you talking about?
I you're just confusing theabsolute hell out of me, man.
So a little ironic that theskill acquisition guy is fucking
terrible at conveying thatskill acquisition to other
(14:52):
people.
So yeah, I just got the feelingthat he's one of those guys
that's dropping you know,dropping big words and fancy
terms just to sound impressive.
It's like, I don't know, man,maybe he's right, he probably is
right.
I want him to be right.
I think he probably is, but itcomes across as dude, you either
(15:16):
don't know what you're talkingabout or you're full of shit or
both.
So I say all that.
It may sound like I didn't enjoyit.
I did.
I enjoy those two podcasts.
I enjoy all your podcasts.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Thanks, take care.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
All right, legend, appreciate you sharing your
feelings on that episode.
I can appreciate that.
Look two things on that.
Greg is so deep in his ownthought process and he actually
said this after, it would havebeen great to have it in the
interview he doesn't evenrealize, like, when he's talking
with someone else whounderstands what he's talking
about in terms of ecologicallearning and all this stuff,
(15:56):
that people are like whoa, whoa,whoa, slow down egghead.
He doesn't even realize howinto his own vernacular and
language and all his dogma andshit that he is, that he's not
making it relatable to thecommon man.
Yeah, and he doesn't actuallykind of care to.
He's kind of like no, this isthe way and you know, if you get
on board, then you'll benefitand otherwise whatever, like you
(16:17):
don't have to do this.
Fuck you.
Like not in a negative way, buthe he's unapologetic about his
dedication to this thing.
Does that sometimes make himkind of unapproachable,
unavailable?
Yeah, and he kind of doesn'tgive a shit, like he's kind of
he's just doing him, you know,and he's not a bad person.
(16:38):
I will say that Greg Souders ismisunderstood in that way.
Is that actually?
He's not high for looting?
He's none of that he isincredibly smart but as a result
, he doesn't think about howhe's perceived.
He doesn't think it matters andif you are a communicator and
you're trying to convince peopleof your case, that does
(16:59):
actually matter.
But because, like Joe said,he's a Puritan, he kind of
doesn't care.
He's doing it for the love ofthe thing he's doing.
The second thing on that was wedidn't bring up the gi, which I
would have loved to have done.
But I've seen interviews wherehe's like the gi makes you too
specific, the grips are toospecific, it doesn't actually
make you a real grappler.
The gi is its own tool, blah,blah, blah.
(17:21):
And he talks down all thereasons why.
Because people said well, howabout ecological?
For the guy he doesn't havegood answers for that because it
is so technical.
Well, according to our boy, hedoesn't have good answers for
the other either.
Yeah, but no, it's more justthe communication piece and I
what I wanted chat with Greg wasto try to put it out there for
the everyday guy.
(17:41):
How can we make this complex?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
fucking shit.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah, like, like, just make it.
So I understand what you'retalking about and I felt like we
maybe we hit a halfway point onthat.
We got a bit closer.
Yeah, like, I think I think wedid a reasonable job of of
giving him that opportunity.
Yes, right, but just speakingto the Greg does know, is he
making it relatable?
Probably not.
(18:05):
Doesn't mean he's wrong, notnecessarily right.
It's not that he's wrong.
He's got his take and if you'reon board with it, that's really
fucking good.
And I apologize that we didn'tdo a better job of kind of
breaking it down and making itaccessible, because that was our
goal.
But the thing I had thoughtlater was part of the reason why
so many people in jujitsu arelike what the fuck are you
(18:26):
talking about?
Man, he's not speaking aboutthe gi and he has openly said
that the gi is not making you agreat grappler.
It makes you too specific.
It's this because theecological approach isn't
nuanced enough aroundspecificity for the gi and
that's why doing specific drillsand having specific grips is
(18:47):
important in the gi and I wouldhave loved to have brought that
up because it was maybe amissing thing.
So if you're someone who doestrain gi and you're listening to
this guy, you're like, seemstoo general, maybe for the gi it
is.
And look, I think that youcan't write him off entirely.
Greg is not wrong in what hesays, but the way he delivers it
(19:10):
could be better.
Yeah, and I think, robert, youknow, in his piece there sort of
made that point.
He's like you know.
All of that said, I think he'sprobably right, you know.
And so, yeah, I think he's.
Yeah, he doesn't do a great jobwith the communications piece.
I was thinking about that.
We're very spoiled these daysfor great communicators, right,
you think about people like, uh,neil degrasse tyson, oh, the
(19:31):
best prior to him, I, I neverlistened to any astrophysicist
because I don't know what thefuck they're talking about.
Yeah, but you got a guy likehim.
That's like, right, I got thisskill set.
I'm going to water it down andI'm going to deliver it in this
way so that I can access, sopeople care about all these
regular people and they canstart to appreciate some of the
tip of what I know, right, aboutthe universe.
And so in that way, you couldlook at all of the previous
(19:53):
astrophysicists who weren't ableto communicate like that.
And this is where I think, likeGreg's coming in with this
puritanical piece, there aregoing to be people that come in
that are more moderate, that cantake the good bits, that can go
, fuck, yeah, I can market this,I can see the gold in what he's
got.
I'm going to fucking take thisbit, this bit, this bit, and I'm
going to sell this.
Sell as in marketingcommunication, yeah.
(20:16):
And then that's where you startto get stuff that enters more
like the, you know whatever thezeitgeist of the everyday
grappler.
Make it more accessible, yeah,accessible, yeah.
So, um, so, yeah, yeah, a fairpoint, good observation.
And and I enjoyed the chat toodid come away from it thinking,
fuck, would have been great ifwe just didn't feel like we
wanted, like it didn't go hardenough.
Give me the bullet points onthat.
Like, yeah, make it supersimple for me yeah, and and
(20:39):
enjoyed it nonetheless yeah, wemight get another opportunity.
I think you know I'd love to goout there and train uh at
standard, get a chance to have arole with him and a role with
his boys as well, and it wouldbe good to hear more from the
students as well, their take onthe journey and all of that.
But, yeah, no, you're right interms of what you're saying,
that if you understand somethingreally well, you should be able
(21:03):
to say it simply.
And I think it's not becauseGreg doesn't know what he's
talking about.
I think he just doesn't care ifyou don't get it.
And that's yeah, that's maybe.
That's maybe that's holding themovement back a little.
But good, good, good question.
And that's three from three forthe U?
S today Strong representationfrom our folks over there.
(21:25):
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