April 23, 2025 • 16 mins
Do you love the sport of Jiu Jitsu? Do you consider yourself an athlete? OR, are you just a masochist using Jiu Jitsu as your mechanism. We dive into why BJJ folks love the pain that comes along with Jiu Jitsu and what the reasons are behind that.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
We all suffer in jujitsu, butwhat is the quality of your
(00:38):
suffering and can you improve it?
What the hell am I talkingabout?
I believe that jujitsu people,bjj folks, are actually
masochists.
Jujitsu is really just BDSM incotton pajamas People hurting
people, other people taking thebeatings, the people doing the
hurt and like it, the peopletaking the beating, like it, and
(00:58):
the roles interchangeablyswitch.
Bondage domination, it's allthere.
It's all there.
The amount of uh to argue with,yeah, and it's all there, it's
all there.
The amount of uh to argue with,yeah, and it's kind of we get
embarrassed about it but we kindof don't mind.
You know, it's it's all part ofpoor heart of joe, that's right
, it's all it's all part ofbeing a man.
But but ultimately I I thinkthat the thing that we're not
(01:19):
thinking about in our lives isas many parts of our life that
are hard, and I was watching avideo the other day and I didn't
love it, but it was true.
It was saying you know, beingunfit is hard, like it has its
own difficulty.
Going to the gym is hard.
You know being an alcoholic ishard, but being sober is also
(01:41):
hard.
You've got to choose your hardright.
You've got to choose where youfind difficulty.
But there was a quote thatreally fucking hit me the other
day which was pretty powerfuland essentially it was saying
something easy, done in the nameof pleasure, it's short-lived
(02:06):
and the shame lasts a long time,whereas something hard done,
like repeatedly, even though itis harder in that short term,
the pride or the value and thecarryover goodness of it lasts a
long time, or the value and thecarryover goodness of it lasts
(02:26):
a long time.
So we often do things that maybewe're not super proud of.
We might have parked a bit bad,taken up two car parking spots
just on a shit park.
You're like I'm just going infor milk, it doesn't matter,
it'll just be five minutes, butyou know you're not proud of
that.
In the same way, if you do agood park and you nail it and
(02:46):
you've made space for someoneelse, you're like I've done my
civic duty here.
You'll reflect on that park formany years to come.
Yeah, you know you're dying indeathbed.
Oh yeah, I parked well, youknow like that.
But it's all these little thingsthat build our life right,
little things that build ourlife right, and the quality of
your suffering is what I want totalk about.
(03:09):
Because there's a guy I knowlet's call him Sam.
His name's not Sam, his name'sKyle, but so anyway, let's call
him Sam.
He's fucking.
This guy complains abouteverything.
His life is fucking easy.
You sit him on a satin cushion.
The cushion's like fucking notsoft enough.
You know like there is nothingabout this guy's life which is
hard and, as a result,everything is suffering to him.
(03:32):
You know like there's actuallyno, he doesn't have a true gauge
on how hard life can be and so,therefore, everything's fucking
hard.
You know, yeah, like fuck, myroom service just shows up,
struggle, shit.
You know like, oh fuck, dude,like what can I tell you?
You know like hopefully,challenge will present itself in
your life.
It'll fucking learn yourfucking lesson.
The great thing about jujitsu isit gives us an opportunity to
(03:56):
suffer in a controlled way,which then allows us to have an
experience on life.
Like they say about wrestling,that like, once you've done
wrestling, like everything elseis easy kind of thing and I
honestly believe, if you trainhard, whatever that looks like
for you, whether you're tryingto be a world champion or you're
just, you're a two or three orweaker like those moments of
(04:18):
intensity that allow, that freesus by giving us a certain
amount of hard and suffering.
That, like, makes the rest oflife's experience more
controllable.
And I feel that when we startto think about a value in the
suffering and the challenge, itmakes it better for us.
(04:40):
Right, does that make sense?
It does.
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine, yeah, I very much share the same
sentiment about jujitsu and thatit allows you to live a deeper
experience of things.
Do you think there's a lot ofpeople who perhaps I'm sure
people listening are like, yeah,fucking a vibe with it.
But do you think there arepeople who train jiu-jitsu that
(05:02):
are maybe not fundamentallyaware of this?
Yeah, 100%.
And this is why I wanted totalk about improving your
suffering, because there'speople who do come to BJJ and
then they complain about manythings related to it.
You know, I've got this keygraze on my face.
I'm getting these cauliflowers.
No, my fingers hurt all thetime, bro.
(05:24):
That's the fucking juice.
That's what it's kind of whatit's about.
Like life is 99% journey, likethere's no arriving in this
thing.
That's what this is.
That is the value.
(05:45):
The value in undertaking this isthe suffering and the learning
it gives you, which then opensyou up to be a better human in
your day-to-day life and there'stoo many motherfuckers
complaining about things thatreally are kind of good for them
.
In a way, like in the same waywhen the body has like an immune
response, like an antibody, youknow, you bring in a weak
version of the disease so thebody can build like a tolerance
(06:06):
for it and then your immunesystem is strengthened.
Very similar to jujitsu.
You have these lower, smallerforms of suffering.
So when you come to a reallygreat suffering or a great
sorrow, like death or whateverit might be, some kind of loss
or everything you built, yourbusiness collapses.
(06:26):
You have started to build atoolkit and a tolerance for
suffering that enables you toget through that shit.
So that's where I feel that alot of jujitsu folks are missing
, that the suffering is thethat's kind of the good.
You know people like, oh, thisis the shit thing about jujitsu,
like nah, man, that's that'skind of good.
As much as we don't like toglorify injuries and we don't
(06:50):
like to glorify, like, doingthings to death.
I think there is a value in thesuffering you get from jujitsu,
which people are missing andseeing it as negative.
Yeah, I think, um, I often, youknow, when I, when I think
about stopping jujitsu right, itwas something I reflect on, you
know, sort of regular intervals, uh, just like, oh, how's that
(07:11):
going to play out, what's itgoing to be like when I decide,
you know, will that time come?
And the.
The thing that I always findvery hard to reconcile is that
it's very hard to add somethingelse into my life that's going
to give me the same level ofkind of physical suffering and
spiritual, and I mean that's avery privileged thing to be able
to say, right, no, I wasliterally watching fucking
(07:31):
videos on some of the, some ofthe gaza victims, sure you say,
which just fucking have, youknow, destroyed?
Yeah, and I feel I feel really,actually really sad about that.
So, you know, in a way, I justgot to acknowledge that for me
to sit here and talk about howthis simulated thing that I do,
jiu-jitsu is, but, but let'skeep it.
Uh, relative to our life, it isthough it is, it is like one of
(07:53):
the toughest things that a lotof people who live in an
affluent Western society can goand do.
Right, and for some people, itis absolutely the hardest thing
they'll ever do in their life.
Sure, and look if you're makingall the right moves.
You're listening to thepodcasts, you're gathering
information, you're learningabout health, about flexibility,
about strength, jujitsu,performance, and you're even
(08:16):
upgrading your behaviors.
Maybe you're doing thehydration thing that we've been
telling you.
Maybe you're even going to thegym, but when you go into the
gym, your shit's a little bitinconsistent.
Sometimes your training's good,sometimes it's not so good, and
over the course of the week youdon't really know if you're
getting any better.
This is exactly why we createdthe Bulletproof for BJJ app.
It's so that you can followsimple plans which are going to
(08:42):
maximize your gains in the gymstrength and flexibility without
having to spend any more than acouple of hours a week there,
so that you can focus your timeon the thing that you love,
which is jujitsu.
You can take a two-week freetrial right now of the
Bulletproof for BJJ app.
All you got to do is go to theapp store, download it and start
training.
And the best part is, once youjoin the app, you'll be able to
speak directly with JT andmyself, as well as the
Bulletproof coaching staff, sothat we can help you on your
(09:04):
journey.
We also offer a 100% money backguarantee, so if you don't love
it, we'll give you a cash back.
Go to the app store, get theapp.
We'll see you on the inside.
If you've experienced war, ifyou, if you've experienced like,
yeah, this probably, thisconversation is probably losing
your whole family.
This is not what this is about.
I guess what I'm saying here isthat for many people, the, the,
(09:28):
the first world western, takenow the east doesn't have the
same view philosophically thatyou know, the suffering is the
learning, whereas it's like nosuffering should be avoided, no,
like I'm going to do whatever Ican to not experience that it
was like.
No, that's, that's really.
You know, even though we say,oh, there's no such thing as
(09:48):
losing, just learning.
Yeah, but people walk aroundwith mad loser attitudes like,
oh good, fucking cut on my face.
It's like nah, scars man, likethat's a lesson, that it's your
character, right.
And this idea of buildingcharacter and building
resilience comes from sufferingand really the key underpinning
quality, which a lot of businesspeople talk about, is your
(10:11):
ability to take, eat pain andtake suffering is what will?
They're the people who win inthe longterm.
If you can't take it, you'regoing to drop out and therefore,
no, there's no longterm gain.
And I was talking to a friendwho has a young family and he
was thinking about quitting hisjob because he hates it.
And I was saying, look, man, Iknow how you feel, because he's
(10:35):
not appreciated and he might getpromoted but it's not going to
make him a lot of money.
And he's got this littledaughter who's like not even a
year old and he's the majorbread winner in the family.
His wife she's gone back towork but she's been pregnant,
all this stuff right.
And I said, man, you've got toreally and I was really trying
to give myself some advice here,but I was really sounding it
(10:56):
out to him when you connect yoursuffering to a greater purpose,
it makes it more meaningful.
If it's just you in your ownselfish wants, dislikes,
whatever the fuck, it's actuallynot that meaningful.
But if you're suffering onbehalf of your daughter or feed
your wife or protect your family, that means something.
(11:19):
And just by thinking about itjust that little bit differently
.
Connecting your suffering to ahigher purpose improves the
quality of your suffering.
If you're just being a miserlylittle selfish fuck and you're
being poor me bro, shut the fuckup.
But I mean, maybe tell yourtherapist.
(11:40):
But essentially, if you canjust read and I do this myself
sometimes if I'm getting thesads and feeling sorry for
myself, I'm like no, no, no, I'mdoing this on behalf of being
stable for someone else.
I'm, I am being less, I'mhaving less fun in my immediate
life so I can be there for mymom and dad.
(12:01):
I am living in a place I don'tnecessarily want to live, so my
rent is cheaper, so I can affordto lend money to my friend or
these things where it's notnecessarily about you.
And I believe that when we startto think about jujitsu in this
way, when you are improvingyourself and suffering in the
(12:21):
name of a higher purpose, whichis potentially helping a
teammate or being part of yourteam or helping your coach, it
means more and the quality ofthe suffering is higher.
That's what I'm talking about.
I like it.
And so for you, joe, have youhad like a moment?
Like cause?
You're saying that you knowthere's moments of like fuck, do
(12:42):
I want to keep doing this?
Like fuck, you know, like youhave huge value to give in
jujitsu and you've, you've been,you've been teaching lately,
right, like, those people arebenefiting from your jujitsu
experience and they look to youas a leader Like, yeah, it may
not value, it may not benefityou, it might even be
detrimental to you as theinstructor right, we're talking
(13:02):
about the cost of that but ithelps those people.
Yeah, it does.
And I think for me it, um, itshows me that that, like what I
want, like my role in Jiu Jitsu,can evolve if I want it to.
Yes, so for the longest timeit's just always been about me
being the hammer and fuckingsmashing everyone that I can,
(13:23):
sure, right.
And then you get to a pointwhere you're like, wait, can't
do that forever.
I'm going to build hammers,yeah, I'm going to build chisels
, yeah, but you're also like, oh, like I actually still really
want to be around it.
But that perspective, that lensthat I used to look at it
through, is no longer relevantto my context, too linear.
So in a way, I'm not saying I'mfucking coach for hire, right,
(13:45):
but it's enjoyable for me tostill be connected and be
teaching some shit and sharingsome stuff with the crew.
So I'm like, oh, yeah, okay,like I can look at it through a
different lens, you know, andthat could continue to evolve,
you know.
And so, yeah, I do.
Um, it sort of shows me thatlike, if I want to, I can stay
around for as long as I want.
(14:05):
Yeah, you know, and I mean, butyou're someone who has looked
after themselves, so you've gotthe option.
Yeah, you know, and I know thatthere's plenty of people out
there who have that warriormindset of being injured and
that suffering gives themmeaning as a warrior.
You know, like, and we've kindof spoken about that before, but
I think there is something tothe just you being very intact
(14:29):
and you being very stableenables and helps other people
in jujitsu.
And I think the difficulty ifyou've spent a lifetime in
juj-jitsu, you know, 15, 20years you get to the end of that
.
You can get pretty burnt outfrom it and you're like, oh fuck
, I can't.
It's such a, it's so demanding.
But coaches, just for the loveof the game, will they'll keep
(14:50):
it going just because they, theylove their students much to
their own detriment.
Yeah, and I think a lot of themalso can't foresee of any other
possibility.
Right, they, they're just like,fuck, I got to keep this going,
which I think is short-sighted.
Sure, because, yeah, I thinkthings can evolve and you don't
always have to be.
You know, you might be thecoach that was fucking up
(15:12):
everyone.
You know you're the savagestcunt on the mats.
You don't have to be thatperson forever.
You can still be the coach andthe leader forever.
You can still be the coach andleader.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so I do.
I really do think that thepeople that we look to, that are
that are further down thejourney, um, of both life and
jiu-jitsu.
You realize, fuck, they've been, they've been able to adapt
jiu-jitsu to, to where they'reat, and I think it's the ones
(15:34):
that are unable to whoultimately crash and burn.
Yeah, that's because, and theand the suffering is, you know,
maybe the nature of thatsuffering changes too.
Right, it evolves.
Yeah, it's maybe not so much aphysical thing once you're
further down the track, I don'tknow.
Maybe it's something differentthen.
Yeah, oh for sure, but the wayyou think about it can really
(15:55):
change your experience of it.
So, if you can just look at asituation which might feel
uncomfortable or hard and it'schallenging you and maybe it's
pushing you to want to quitjujitsu or quit your job or
whatever it is.
Yeah, I think, if you canunderstand that we're all part
of a context.
You know we're just a threadwithin the great rope of this
(16:18):
thing called life, within thegreat rope of this thing called
life, that you are an importantpart of it and so staying in it
it has huge value beyond yourown self.
So we suffer, fathers, andtogether we improve.
There it is, fam.
That's the pod we appreciatey'all.
And to help other good peoplelike yourself, please like,
(16:54):
share and subscribe.
We appreciate it.
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Essentially, at this point thefight is over, so you pretty
much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
We all suffer in jujitsu, butwhat is the quality of your
(00:38):
suffering and can you improve it?
What the hell am I talkingabout?
I believe that jujitsu people,bjj folks, are actually
masochists.
Jujitsu is really just BDSM incotton pajamas People hurting
people, other people taking thebeatings, the people doing the
hurt and like it, the peopletaking the beating, like it, and
(00:58):
the roles interchangeablyswitch.
Bondage domination, it's allthere.
It's all there.
The amount of uh to argue with,yeah, and it's all there, it's
all there.
The amount of uh to argue with,yeah, and it's kind of we get
embarrassed about it but we kindof don't mind.
You know, it's it's all part ofpoor heart of joe, that's right
, it's all it's all part ofbeing a man.
But but ultimately I I thinkthat the thing that we're not
(01:19):
thinking about in our lives isas many parts of our life that
are hard, and I was watching avideo the other day and I didn't
love it, but it was true.
It was saying you know, beingunfit is hard, like it has its
own difficulty.
Going to the gym is hard.
You know being an alcoholic ishard, but being sober is also
(01:41):
hard.
You've got to choose your hardright.
You've got to choose where youfind difficulty.
But there was a quote thatreally fucking hit me the other
day which was pretty powerfuland essentially it was saying
something easy, done in the nameof pleasure, it's short-lived
(02:06):
and the shame lasts a long time,whereas something hard done,
like repeatedly, even though itis harder in that short term,
the pride or the value and thecarryover goodness of it lasts a
long time, or the value and thecarryover goodness of it lasts
(02:26):
a long time.
So we often do things that maybewe're not super proud of.
We might have parked a bit bad,taken up two car parking spots
just on a shit park.
You're like I'm just going infor milk, it doesn't matter,
it'll just be five minutes, butyou know you're not proud of
that.
In the same way, if you do agood park and you nail it and
(02:46):
you've made space for someoneelse, you're like I've done my
civic duty here.
You'll reflect on that park formany years to come.
Yeah, you know you're dying indeathbed.
Oh yeah, I parked well, youknow like that.
But it's all these little thingsthat build our life right,
little things that build ourlife right, and the quality of
your suffering is what I want totalk about.
(03:09):
Because there's a guy I knowlet's call him Sam.
His name's not Sam, his name'sKyle, but so anyway, let's call
him Sam.
He's fucking.
This guy complains abouteverything.
His life is fucking easy.
You sit him on a satin cushion.
The cushion's like fucking notsoft enough.
You know like there is nothingabout this guy's life which is
hard and, as a result,everything is suffering to him.
(03:32):
You know like there's actuallyno, he doesn't have a true gauge
on how hard life can be and so,therefore, everything's fucking
hard.
You know, yeah, like fuck, myroom service just shows up,
struggle, shit.
You know like, oh fuck, dude,like what can I tell you?
You know like hopefully,challenge will present itself in
your life.
It'll fucking learn yourfucking lesson.
The great thing about jujitsu isit gives us an opportunity to
(03:56):
suffer in a controlled way,which then allows us to have an
experience on life.
Like they say about wrestling,that like, once you've done
wrestling, like everything elseis easy kind of thing and I
honestly believe, if you trainhard, whatever that looks like
for you, whether you're tryingto be a world champion or you're
just, you're a two or three orweaker like those moments of
(04:18):
intensity that allow, that freesus by giving us a certain
amount of hard and suffering.
That, like, makes the rest oflife's experience more
controllable.
And I feel that when we startto think about a value in the
suffering and the challenge, itmakes it better for us.
(04:40):
Right, does that make sense?
It does.
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine, yeah, I very much share the same
sentiment about jujitsu and thatit allows you to live a deeper
experience of things.
Do you think there's a lot ofpeople who perhaps I'm sure
people listening are like, yeah,fucking a vibe with it.
But do you think there arepeople who train jiu-jitsu that
(05:02):
are maybe not fundamentallyaware of this?
Yeah, 100%.
And this is why I wanted totalk about improving your
suffering, because there'speople who do come to BJJ and
then they complain about manythings related to it.
You know, I've got this keygraze on my face.
I'm getting these cauliflowers.
No, my fingers hurt all thetime, bro.
(05:24):
That's the fucking juice.
That's what it's kind of whatit's about.
Like life is 99% journey, likethere's no arriving in this
thing.
That's what this is.
That is the value.
(05:45):
The value in undertaking this isthe suffering and the learning
it gives you, which then opensyou up to be a better human in
your day-to-day life and there'stoo many motherfuckers
complaining about things thatreally are kind of good for them
.
In a way, like in the same waywhen the body has like an immune
response, like an antibody, youknow, you bring in a weak
version of the disease so thebody can build like a tolerance
(06:06):
for it and then your immunesystem is strengthened.
Very similar to jujitsu.
You have these lower, smallerforms of suffering.
So when you come to a reallygreat suffering or a great
sorrow, like death or whateverit might be, some kind of loss
or everything you built, yourbusiness collapses.
(06:26):
You have started to build atoolkit and a tolerance for
suffering that enables you toget through that shit.
So that's where I feel that alot of jujitsu folks are missing
, that the suffering is thethat's kind of the good.
You know people like, oh, thisis the shit thing about jujitsu,
like nah, man, that's that'skind of good.
As much as we don't like toglorify injuries and we don't
(06:50):
like to glorify, like, doingthings to death.
I think there is a value in thesuffering you get from jujitsu,
which people are missing andseeing it as negative.
Yeah, I think, um, I often, youknow, when I, when I think
about stopping jujitsu right, itwas something I reflect on, you
know, sort of regular intervals, uh, just like, oh, how's that
(07:11):
going to play out, what's itgoing to be like when I decide,
you know, will that time come?
And the.
The thing that I always findvery hard to reconcile is that
it's very hard to add somethingelse into my life that's going
to give me the same level ofkind of physical suffering and
spiritual, and I mean that's avery privileged thing to be able
to say, right, no, I wasliterally watching fucking
(07:31):
videos on some of the, some ofthe gaza victims, sure you say,
which just fucking have, youknow, destroyed?
Yeah, and I feel I feel really,actually really sad about that.
So, you know, in a way, I justgot to acknowledge that for me
to sit here and talk about howthis simulated thing that I do,
jiu-jitsu is, but, but let'skeep it.
Uh, relative to our life, it isthough it is, it is like one of
(07:53):
the toughest things that a lotof people who live in an
affluent Western society can goand do.
Right, and for some people, itis absolutely the hardest thing
they'll ever do in their life.
Sure, and look if you're makingall the right moves.
You're listening to thepodcasts, you're gathering
information, you're learningabout health, about flexibility,
about strength, jujitsu,performance, and you're even
(08:16):
upgrading your behaviors.
Maybe you're doing thehydration thing that we've been
telling you.
Maybe you're even going to thegym, but when you go into the
gym, your shit's a little bitinconsistent.
Sometimes your training's good,sometimes it's not so good, and
over the course of the week youdon't really know if you're
getting any better.
This is exactly why we createdthe Bulletproof for BJJ app.
It's so that you can followsimple plans which are going to
(08:42):
maximize your gains in the gymstrength and flexibility without
having to spend any more than acouple of hours a week there,
so that you can focus your timeon the thing that you love,
which is jujitsu.
You can take a two-week freetrial right now of the
Bulletproof for BJJ app.
All you got to do is go to theapp store, download it and start
training.
And the best part is, once youjoin the app, you'll be able to
speak directly with JT andmyself, as well as the
Bulletproof coaching staff, sothat we can help you on your
(09:04):
journey.
We also offer a 100% money backguarantee, so if you don't love
it, we'll give you a cash back.
Go to the app store, get theapp.
We'll see you on the inside.
If you've experienced war, ifyou, if you've experienced like,
yeah, this probably, thisconversation is probably losing
your whole family.
This is not what this is about.
I guess what I'm saying here isthat for many people, the, the,
(09:28):
the first world western, takenow the east doesn't have the
same view philosophically thatyou know, the suffering is the
learning, whereas it's like nosuffering should be avoided, no,
like I'm going to do whatever Ican to not experience that it
was like.
No, that's, that's really.
You know, even though we say,oh, there's no such thing as
(09:48):
losing, just learning.
Yeah, but people walk aroundwith mad loser attitudes like,
oh good, fucking cut on my face.
It's like nah, scars man, likethat's a lesson, that it's your
character, right.
And this idea of buildingcharacter and building
resilience comes from sufferingand really the key underpinning
quality, which a lot of businesspeople talk about, is your
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ability to take, eat pain andtake suffering is what will?
They're the people who win inthe longterm.
If you can't take it, you'regoing to drop out and therefore,
no, there's no longterm gain.
And I was talking to a friendwho has a young family and he
was thinking about quitting hisjob because he hates it.
And I was saying, look, man, Iknow how you feel, because he's
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not appreciated and he might getpromoted but it's not going to
make him a lot of money.
And he's got this littledaughter who's like not even a
year old and he's the majorbread winner in the family.
His wife she's gone back towork but she's been pregnant,
all this stuff right.
And I said, man, you've got toreally and I was really trying
to give myself some advice here,but I was really sounding it
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out to him when you connect yoursuffering to a greater purpose,
it makes it more meaningful.
If it's just you in your ownselfish wants, dislikes,
whatever the fuck, it's actuallynot that meaningful.
But if you're suffering onbehalf of your daughter or feed
your wife or protect your family, that means something.
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And just by thinking about itjust that little bit differently
.
Connecting your suffering to ahigher purpose improves the
quality of your suffering.
If you're just being a miserlylittle selfish fuck and you're
being poor me bro, shut the fuckup.
But I mean, maybe tell yourtherapist.
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But essentially, if you canjust read and I do this myself
sometimes if I'm getting thesads and feeling sorry for
myself, I'm like no, no, no, I'mdoing this on behalf of being
stable for someone else.
I'm, I am being less, I'mhaving less fun in my immediate
life so I can be there for mymom and dad.
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I am living in a place I don'tnecessarily want to live, so my
rent is cheaper, so I can affordto lend money to my friend or
these things where it's notnecessarily about you.
And I believe that when we startto think about jujitsu in this
way, when you are improvingyourself and suffering in the
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name of a higher purpose, whichis potentially helping a
teammate or being part of yourteam or helping your coach, it
means more and the quality ofthe suffering is higher.
That's what I'm talking about.
I like it.
And so for you, joe, have youhad like a moment?
Like cause?
You're saying that you knowthere's moments of like fuck, do
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I want to keep doing this?
Like fuck, you know, like youhave huge value to give in
jujitsu and you've, you've been,you've been teaching lately,
right, like, those people arebenefiting from your jujitsu
experience and they look to youas a leader Like, yeah, it may
not value, it may not benefityou, it might even be
detrimental to you as theinstructor right, we're talking
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about the cost of that but ithelps those people.
Yeah, it does.
And I think for me it, um, itshows me that that, like what I
want, like my role in Jiu Jitsu,can evolve if I want it to.
Yes, so for the longest timeit's just always been about me
being the hammer and fuckingsmashing everyone that I can,
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sure, right.
And then you get to a pointwhere you're like, wait, can't
do that forever.
I'm going to build hammers,yeah, I'm going to build chisels
, yeah, but you're also like, oh, like I actually still really
want to be around it.
But that perspective, that lensthat I used to look at it
through, is no longer relevantto my context, too linear.
So in a way, I'm not saying I'mfucking coach for hire, right,
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but it's enjoyable for me tostill be connected and be
teaching some shit and sharingsome stuff with the crew.
So I'm like, oh, yeah, okay,like I can look at it through a
different lens, you know, andthat could continue to evolve,
you know.
And so, yeah, I do.
Um, it sort of shows me thatlike, if I want to, I can stay
around for as long as I want.
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Yeah, you know, and I mean, butyou're someone who has looked
after themselves, so you've gotthe option.
Yeah, you know, and I know thatthere's plenty of people out
there who have that warriormindset of being injured and
that suffering gives themmeaning as a warrior.
You know, like, and we've kindof spoken about that before, but
I think there is something tothe just you being very intact
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and you being very stableenables and helps other people
in jujitsu.
And I think the difficulty ifyou've spent a lifetime in
juj-jitsu, you know, 15, 20years you get to the end of that
.
You can get pretty burnt outfrom it and you're like, oh fuck
, I can't.
It's such a, it's so demanding.
But coaches, just for the loveof the game, will they'll keep
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it going just because they, theylove their students much to
their own detriment.
Yeah, and I think a lot of themalso can't foresee of any other
possibility.
Right, they, they're just like,fuck, I got to keep this going,
which I think is short-sighted.
Sure, because, yeah, I thinkthings can evolve and you don't
always have to be.
You know, you might be thecoach that was fucking up
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everyone.
You know you're the savagestcunt on the mats.
You don't have to be thatperson forever.
You can still be the coach andthe leader forever.
You can still be the coach andleader.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so I do.
I really do think that thepeople that we look to, that are
that are further down thejourney, um, of both life and
jiu-jitsu.
You realize, fuck, they've been, they've been able to adapt
jiu-jitsu to, to where they'reat, and I think it's the ones
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that are unable to whoultimately crash and burn.
Yeah, that's because, and theand the suffering is, you know,
maybe the nature of thatsuffering changes too.
Right, it evolves.
Yeah, it's maybe not so much aphysical thing once you're
further down the track, I don'tknow.
Maybe it's something differentthen.
Yeah, oh for sure, but the wayyou think about it can really
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change your experience of it.
So, if you can just look at asituation which might feel
uncomfortable or hard and it'schallenging you and maybe it's
pushing you to want to quitjujitsu or quit your job or
whatever it is.
Yeah, I think, if you canunderstand that we're all part
of a context.
You know we're just a threadwithin the great rope of this
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thing called life, within thegreat rope of this thing called
life, that you are an importantpart of it and so staying in it
it has huge value beyond yourown self.
So we suffer, fathers, andtogether we improve.
There it is, fam.
That's the pod we appreciatey'all.
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