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Speaker 1 (00:07):
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Essentially, at this point, the fight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
The myth of getting fit for BJJ.
We've heard it time and againhey man, yeah, I want to start
(00:39):
BJJ, but I've got to get fitfirst.
And this is possibly one of themost annoying and also
ill-conceived.
Ill-conceived, Great, great,great framing there, Joe.
Ill-conceived ideas becauseactually the specific fitness
for jujitsu is nothing you cando other than the thing.
But we need to actually breakdown why this is a bad idea and
(01:02):
why people need to get amongstit on the mat because it's the
wrong thinking, I mean grapplersdon't know how to get fit for
BJJ.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So how's a fucking non-white belt, someone that's
never done BJJ, who's planningto start?
How are they going to have anyluck?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let's talk about what is the common
situation.
I understand, you know thatmakes plenty of sense, but I
think what is misunderstoodabout general fitness, as it's
referred to, is, like peoplelike I started running, It'll
get me fit for BJJ.
You're like no dude, likethat's.
Whatever you think that jogaround the block is going to do
for you is not going to help youhere, you know.
(01:41):
And in the same way, the ideaof trying to work around the
problem to solve the problem andwe do it in our day-to-day
lives, right, Like yeah, but ifI just get my desk clean,
that'll help me get through theemails, no, you got to sit there
and do those fucking emails,man, that's the only way.
And I think what isunderestimated here is that
jujitsu is such a complex beastthat requires so many different
(02:04):
skills that just doing onealternate thing is not going to
save you, it's not going to getyou right.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem with someone
being like, yeah, I want to getin shape before I start.
I'm like, okay, fair enough, ifmentally, if that's what's
going to feel right for you.
But I think what we often seeis that it usually comes from a
place of someone trying to getall their ducks in a row, right,
and it's like I'm going to getall my ducks in a row and then
(02:33):
I'm going to start jujitsu andthen I'm going to do
competitions and then I'm goingto win and then I'm going to get
my and they've sort ofvisualize it based off what
they've seen other people dowith it, and they're like I knew
a guy right, I'll give you anexample.
I knew a guy when I was in themovement world who was a pretty
decent movement practitionerquite strong, quite flexible,
(02:53):
all that very coordinated, andwas also a Cairo and really,
really good Cairo, and he waslike oh man, jujitsu.
Like we traveled together to anevent in Thailand, so we spent a
bit of time together and he'slike, fuck, jujitsu man, how
goes?
He's like, yeah, I'm going to,I'm going to do it.
I'm just like I just want toget these things with my
(03:15):
movement, shit first Waiting forthe right time, yeah, and I'm
like brother, like you're infucking great shape, like why no
, no, no, no, I just gotta dothis first.
And I knew him maybe for acouple of years following that
and he never started right andmy impression is he probably
never started because, I don'tknow, you sort of learn pretty
quickly that, like you, neverhave all your ducks in a row.
No, like you, you never, unlessyou're fucking 20 and you're
(03:38):
training full-time and you don'tdrink alcohol.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's just like man,life's always a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The perfectionism piece is it's unattainable.
It just doesn't matter what'sgoing on in life.
Nothing's perfect.
I guess what I want to get tohere is I know many people who
have started jujitsu not to loseweight.
They're just, they're totallyout of shape, but they're like
it seems fun, seems cool, andcoming in with a very like not
(04:05):
even an open mind, just like avery unqualified.
They've never done any martialarts or anything, but they're
like oh, my mates are doing it,I'll just give it a shot have
fallen in love and subsequently,as a by-product of taking the
action, have started to fix thediet, have started being more
active, have dropped a ton ofweight like 12, 16 kilos, you
(04:25):
know and then they're likeJiu-jitsu changed my life,
because the action of steppingthrough the door and being put
under this crazy, weird thinghas really forced them to go.
Fuck, I can't sit up, I can'tmove my hip.
Shit, I better change my shitright.
Like the impediment to actionbecomes the impetus to action.
(04:50):
The fact that they couldn't dothe thing motivated them to
change, whereas I think the assbackward thing people are doing
is like no, no, no, I'll getright before I, and this just
really is a fundamentalmisunderstanding of the thing.
Because when you do jujitsu, ahuge component of jujitsu is
isometric strength and you know,we've all felt it, whether
(05:13):
we're trying to squeeze on aguillotine or put on a foot lock
or we're trying to hold somemotherfucker in close guard that
those muscles isometrically tohold a muscle contraction, it's
fucking hard and you get you gasand then you're like oh my god,
now my legs are all jelly, nowI can't, I can't even use my
fucking spaghetti arms.
And then the person's gettingthe best of you and they're
(05:33):
fucking crushing you.
Yeah, and until you spent sometime in that moment doing the
squeeze, et cetera, you, you,you wouldn't understand that
level of fatigue.
And, in the same way, if youhad someone and you've been
under mount and you got big Joeyfucking smothering you and
you're trying to breathe, noamount of writing on that
(05:55):
exercise bike is going to kindof allow you to stay calm and be
in that intense environment.
Even though this isn't afitness thing, this is just like
a like just and then you'relike wait, hang on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I did bike yesterday, hill climb, I'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'll be fine, but I had this before.
I had a very large,high-calorie human on me.
No rash guard, gi open belly onme.
I'm talking like big countryNelson stuff, oh yeah, and I had
to actually, you know someone'sswimming and then they just
Pull some meat aside.
Yeah, I had to clear some spaceand just get some breath and
(06:32):
then I was back under drowning,you know, and I had to do that
every so often to survive andnot tap to being suffocated by a
large man's stomach.
That doesn't.
You don't get that anywhere else, Fuck yes jujitsu Happy day is
inspiring, but that's the otherthing too right.
I have seen incredibly fitpeople break down in the first
(06:54):
five minutes of just a simplelike uh, you know, like a tap
the knee kind of kind ofwrestling drill where you one
person's trying to defend andone person's got a sprawl.
The other person's trying tojust touch the knee and then, if
you know they're successful,you sprawl, you don't whatever.
Knee taps, just knee taps, somebasic wrestling shit.
People disintegrating, fitstrong people just gassing.
(07:18):
Because it's not about thepreparation and don't get me
wrong, we always encouragepeople to be fit and strong, but
you've got to go into that fire, you've got to experience it?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, it's that.
I mean it's being able to dealwith the stress of the thing,
isn't it?
And it's and?
And yeah, I mean you can seepeople that are much less fit
but that are more accustomed tothe stress, that, therefore, can
do better when they're underthat stress.
Yeah, weather, the storm, yeah,so, yeah, it's absolutely not a
case of like, don't try and beprepped.
But I think this idea of likegetting everything perfected
(07:52):
before you start it, just itdoesn't, because you don't know
what you need, what's required.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, but I think it's also it's just an excuse to
not do jujitsu.
Yeah, I think people look at itand it's kind of it's
confronting, especially whenyou're like they're lying on
each other I fucking I don'teven get in those positions with
my missus.
Jesus Christ, what's going onthere?
And then you're seeing peoplebe like ah, ah, ah, and you're
(08:18):
like, oh, I don't know, peoplekeep saying it's fun.
I don't know if that's fun.
So I think, whether or not youare someone who fell in love
with jujitsuitsu straight away,or you're just a savage and you
don't give a fuck and you'relike put me in, coach, I'll do
it the concept of people doingstuff around jiu-jitsu to be
(08:42):
better for the thing is aprevailing, uh, mistake.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a kind of cognitive fallacyor bias, and and and I think we
see it even with people who dojujitsu like, look, I'm doing
jujitsu once a week, but I'mdoing circuits and I fucking I
got my hit training and I'mfucking swimming.
Shout out, frank, um, you knowI'm doing all this other stuff.
(09:04):
You're like, bro, just, I mean,don't get me wrong, there's
plenty of people doing plenty ofjujitsu, but you do actually
have to spend a certain amountof time exposed to the stress of
grappling, to have thetolerance for the thing.
And the thing is we accept thiswith everything else, like if
someone said to you oh Joe, I'mgetting ready for a marathon,
look, I'm only running once aweek.
(09:24):
I do about, you know, five Kscasual pace.
It's pretty good.
You're like I don't know ifthat's enough.
You know, and I think the thingthat we anyone who's done
jiu-jitsu for an extended periodof time, you know that, like
once a week, ain't doing it andthat ultimately, we want to see
more people doing, yeah, moreconsistent training.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this idea of finding alternatives is actually
it's wasting your time becauseit just is basically spending
more time not experiencingjiu-jitsu like you've got good
(10:10):
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So what would you if you've gotsomeone and let's say they are
average shape, not super fit,and they want to start jujitsu
and they've told you thatthey're like JT yes, I really
want to do jujitsu, I'm justgoing to get fit first.
If you were to tell them whatyou've just said and they're
like fuck, all right, you got me.
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Okay, well, the first things first, because obviously
it's different for everyindividual, because maybe
someone goes for a trial classand they're like, oh, how good
was the trial class, like howeasy was that.
That may not be the truth ofthe thing itself.
I think for every individual,their physical tolerance for the
thing is maybe greater or less.
(11:36):
So what you have to do isactually go and do the class and
see how you pull up.
That's like step number one.
I think we've establishedthrough past episodes that we
want people training three timesa week, but maybe when you get
started your first class you'resore for days afterwards.
Therefore, three times thatweek is going to be pretty hard.
(11:57):
But I think for you to pick aday and go right, I'm going to
go earlier in the week and thenI'll go later in the week and
see how you pull up.
I think two is a good place tostart to just build the habit,
because that's essentially whatyou're doing New behavior, new
habit.
And we want to keep the barpretty low, because the other
(12:17):
mistake, which is the other way,is where people come in, get so
frothy and they're like right,I'm training every day, I'm
training twice a day, and thenthey flame out.
So I think the beginner who isunsure needs to give themselves
like a good maybe start on aMonday, two or three days and
then another one somewhere inthe week which gives them enough
time to recover.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Two, three sessions of jits a week.
And what else Should they bedoing stuff in the gym?
Should they go for a run?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, definitely, I mean look here's the thing I am
a bit of a killjoy in the sensethat, like people like, yeah,
but I just enjoy it and fuckyour fun.
No, I mean, hey, enjoy yourlife, have your hobbies, but
that's the thing too.
Like, jujitsu is hard on yourbody, so that's.
It's sometimes hard when youstart jujitsu that you're like,
oh, my legs are really sore, myback sore, running isn't if
(13:05):
you're taking up running as anew thing yeah, not a good time
to double up on the new hobbies.
Yeah, I think giving jujitsu itsown due allowance is good so
you can work out your tolerance.
But obviously we areencouraging people to have an
ability to be doing somestretching and doing some
mobility and, yeah, definitelybeing able to do some gym as
(13:27):
well as a great thing.
But if you haven't establishedjujitsu as a habit, it may be a
bit of overload to start a lotof other stuff.
Look, if you're already doingweights, if you're already
stretching, you're already fitand capable.
No problems, Don't you know?
Keep it going.
Yeah, Just just perpetuate, butultimately I mean Just use gis
for your pull-ups from now onforever.
(13:52):
No, don't, don't for yourpull-ups from now on forever.
No, don't, don't.
Don't give deep pull-ups one ofthe most overrated movements of
all time still a fan.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah sure, that's fine, but uh says mr no, gee
says mr non-traditional I meanyeah yeah, I mean I don't try, I
just throw a rash guard overthe bar now.
I don't try fucking.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Get the fuck out of here Fucking worm guard, this
no-gi class itch.
Funnily enough, they are sayingthat lasso in no-gi is the most
effective guard.
But anyway, all to the side, itdoesn't matter.
I think it doesn't matter ifyou're.
I think gi is actuallyphysically harder than no-gi.
When you start Like the torque,oh yeah, but let's not go there
(14:29):
.
No, no, no, no.
But I'm saying that like somefolks out there might be like oh
, my gym only trains gi andyou're like just fucking go to,
just go to whatever they got.
Yeah, get amongst it, noquestion, like don't hold back.
I think this is the thing, likeget into it while we're giving
advice on the new thing.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I remember I spoke to a guy once that ran to do down
at bondi and he's like, oh, it'smy friend buba, he wants to
start jujitsu.
And the guy's like, yeah, yeah,I'm really keen.
And I'm like, oh, awesome.
And he's like, you know, I'mlooking for some advice to get
started.
I was like, yeah, sure.
And he's like, what gym do youtrain at?
And I was like I train at thisone up the road.
And he's like, how much is itthe membership?
(15:05):
And I'm like you're a dickhead.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Ask my advice, joey, just Joey just like forehead
tapped him and then justdouble-legged him you ask my
advice but then hit me with theprice objection.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm like, bitch, I'm not selling you a membership,
but I'm like.
But my advice is don't makeyour decision based on the price
either.
Just go and fucking try theshit and, when you like, the
place and the anything you'regoing to do is going to cost you
money.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It doesn't matter what club you want to be a part
of, but make sure that, like,you're happy to get beat up by
these people because that'sgoing to be the experience.
I think this is the othermisconception.
When people start jiu-jitsuthey're like I'm going to get so
good at this so fast.
No, no, you're not.
And as long as you're on boardwith this is cool and I'm
(15:56):
learning, that's really good.
But that initial period istough to accept, the humbling
nature of just getting squashedand passed and all of that.
It doesn't matter if you'retraining white belts or white
belts or with upper belts.
Even for myself, the cognitivedissidence on how good I think
my jujitsu is versus how good itactually is is fucking wild.
(16:19):
Because in my head I'm stilllike prime purple belt, trained
in Brazil six months.
Best, I could fuck with KitDale, bro, I fuck with Kit Dale.
I can beat Craig Jones, all ofthis, all this illusion in my
mind Five times out of 10.
Yeah, and then I go.
And then I just go.
Hey, chris Wojcik, let's dofull locks.
Ah, I just get you know.
(16:41):
Hey, damn man, child, let'sjust whoa.
Like don't fuck around Like Ithink, within all of this, the
the huge value in jujitsu, whichis great.
It will humble you like a jogwon't like as much as you could
be running in, your legs burnyou think.
Oh, running so hard, having agrown ass man on top of you,
(17:01):
dominating you in a kind ofcomes up Chimaev-esque position
and you can do nothing to getthe fuck out of there, which
really makes you question am Ienjoying this?
Like is this?
Is this good for me?
This is not what I fuckingsigned up for.
It is actually the truth of thething, which if that means you
(17:22):
stop doing it, then you probablyshouldn't be doing it.
But if that then incites in youthe fucking fuel to be like I
have to get better, then jujitsuis the right thing.
It is the beautiful thing andthe suffering is fucking worth
it.
The juice is worth the squeeze.
Folks, don't avoid it.
Lean in, get some.
A good martial artist does not become tense, but
ready.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Essentially, at this point, the fight is over.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
So you pretty much flow with the goal.
Who is worthy to be trustedwith the secret to limitless
power?
I'm ready.
The myth of getting fit for BJJ.
We've heard it time and againhey man, yeah, I want to start
(00:39):
BJJ, but I've got to get fitfirst.
And this is possibly one of themost annoying and also
ill-conceived.
Ill-conceived, Great, great,great framing there, Joe.
Ill-conceived ideas becauseactually the specific fitness
for jujitsu is nothing you cando other than the thing.
But we need to actually breakdown why this is a bad idea and
(01:02):
why people need to get amongstit on the mat because it's the
wrong thinking, I mean grapplersdon't know how to get fit for
BJJ.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So how's a fucking non-white belt, someone that's
never done BJJ, who's planningto start?
How are they going to have anyluck?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Well, let's talk about what is the common
situation.
I understand, you know thatmakes plenty of sense, but I
think what is misunderstoodabout general fitness, as it's
referred to, is, like peoplelike I started running, It'll
get me fit for BJJ.
You're like no dude, likethat's.
Whatever you think that jogaround the block is going to do
for you is not going to help youhere, you know.
(01:41):
And in the same way, the ideaof trying to work around the
problem to solve the problem andwe do it in our day-to-day
lives, right, Like yeah, but ifI just get my desk clean,
that'll help me get through theemails, no, you got to sit there
and do those fucking emails,man, that's the only way.
And I think what isunderestimated here is that
jujitsu is such a complex beastthat requires so many different
(02:04):
skills that just doing onealternate thing is not going to
save you, it's not going to getyou right.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I mean, I don't have a problem with someone
being like, yeah, I want to getin shape before I start.
I'm like, okay, fair enough, ifmentally, if that's what's
going to feel right for you.
But I think what we often seeis that it usually comes from a
place of someone trying to getall their ducks in a row, right,
and it's like I'm going to getall my ducks in a row and then
(02:33):
I'm going to start jujitsu andthen I'm going to do
competitions and then I'm goingto win and then I'm going to get
my and they've sort ofvisualize it based off what
they've seen other people dowith it, and they're like I knew
a guy right, I'll give you anexample.
I knew a guy when I was in themovement world who was a pretty
decent movement practitionerquite strong, quite flexible,
(02:53):
all that very coordinated, andwas also a Cairo and really,
really good Cairo, and he waslike oh man, jujitsu.
Like we traveled together to anevent in Thailand, so we spent a
bit of time together and he'slike, fuck, jujitsu man, how
goes?
He's like, yeah, I'm going to,I'm going to do it.
I'm just like I just want toget these things with my
(03:15):
movement, shit first Waiting forthe right time, yeah, and I'm
like brother, like you're infucking great shape, like why no
, no, no, no, I just gotta dothis first.
And I knew him maybe for acouple of years following that
and he never started right andmy impression is he probably
never started because, I don'tknow, you sort of learn pretty
quickly that, like you, neverhave all your ducks in a row.
No, like you, you never, unlessyou're fucking 20 and you're
(03:38):
training full-time and you don'tdrink alcohol.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's just like man,life's always a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
The perfectionism piece is it's unattainable.
It just doesn't matter what'sgoing on in life.
Nothing's perfect.
I guess what I want to get tohere is I know many people who
have started jujitsu not to loseweight.
They're just, they're totallyout of shape, but they're like
it seems fun, seems cool, andcoming in with a very like not
(04:05):
even an open mind, just like avery unqualified.
They've never done any martialarts or anything, but they're
like oh, my mates are doing it,I'll just give it a shot have
fallen in love and subsequently,as a by-product of taking the
action, have started to fix thediet, have started being more
active, have dropped a ton ofweight like 12, 16 kilos, you
(04:25):
know and then they're likeJiu-jitsu changed my life,
because the action of steppingthrough the door and being put
under this crazy, weird thinghas really forced them to go.
Fuck, I can't sit up, I can'tmove my hip.
Shit, I better change my shitright.
Like the impediment to actionbecomes the impetus to action.
(04:50):
The fact that they couldn't dothe thing motivated them to
change, whereas I think the assbackward thing people are doing
is like no, no, no, I'll getright before I, and this just
really is a fundamentalmisunderstanding of the thing.
Because when you do jujitsu, ahuge component of jujitsu is
isometric strength and you know,we've all felt it, whether
(05:13):
we're trying to squeeze on aguillotine or put on a foot lock
or we're trying to hold somemotherfucker in close guard that
those muscles isometrically tohold a muscle contraction, it's
fucking hard and you get you gasand then you're like oh my god,
now my legs are all jelly, nowI can't, I can't even use my
fucking spaghetti arms.
And then the person's gettingthe best of you and they're
(05:33):
fucking crushing you.
Yeah, and until you spent sometime in that moment doing the
squeeze, et cetera, you, you,you wouldn't understand that
level of fatigue.
And, in the same way, if youhad someone and you've been
under mount and you got big Joeyfucking smothering you and
you're trying to breathe, noamount of writing on that
(05:55):
exercise bike is going to kindof allow you to stay calm and be
in that intense environment.
Even though this isn't afitness thing, this is just like
a like just and then you'relike wait, hang on.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I did bike yesterday, hill climb, I'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'll be fine, but I had this before.
I had a very large,high-calorie human on me.
No rash guard, gi open belly onme.
I'm talking like big countryNelson stuff, oh yeah, and I had
to actually, you know someone'sswimming and then they just
Pull some meat aside.
Yeah, I had to clear some spaceand just get some breath and
(06:32):
then I was back under drowning,you know, and I had to do that
every so often to survive andnot tap to being suffocated by a
large man's stomach.
That doesn't.
You don't get that anywhere else, Fuck yes jujitsu Happy day is
inspiring, but that's the otherthing too right.
I have seen incredibly fitpeople break down in the first
(06:54):
five minutes of just a simplelike uh, you know, like a tap
the knee kind of kind ofwrestling drill where you one
person's trying to defend andone person's got a sprawl.
The other person's trying tojust touch the knee and then, if
you know they're successful,you sprawl, you don't whatever.
Knee taps, just knee taps, somebasic wrestling shit.
People disintegrating, fitstrong people just gassing.
(07:18):
Because it's not about thepreparation and don't get me
wrong, we always encouragepeople to be fit and strong, but
you've got to go into that fire, you've got to experience it?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, it's that.
I mean it's being able to dealwith the stress of the thing,
isn't it?
And it's and?
And yeah, I mean you can seepeople that are much less fit
but that are more accustomed tothe stress, that, therefore, can
do better when they're underthat stress.
Yeah, weather, the storm, yeah,so, yeah, it's absolutely not a
case of like, don't try and beprepped.
But I think this idea of likegetting everything perfected
(07:52):
before you start it, just itdoesn't, because you don't know
what you need, what's required.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, but I think it's also it's just an excuse to
not do jujitsu.
Yeah, I think people look at itand it's kind of it's
confronting, especially whenyou're like they're lying on
each other I fucking I don'teven get in those positions with
my missus.
Jesus Christ, what's going onthere?
And then you're seeing peoplebe like ah, ah, ah, and you're
(08:18):
like, oh, I don't know, peoplekeep saying it's fun.
I don't know if that's fun.
So I think, whether or not youare someone who fell in love
with jujitsuitsu straight away,or you're just a savage and you
don't give a fuck and you'relike put me in, coach, I'll do
it the concept of people doingstuff around jiu-jitsu to be
(08:42):
better for the thing is aprevailing, uh, mistake.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a kind of cognitive fallacyor bias, and and and I think we
see it even with people who dojujitsu like, look, I'm doing
jujitsu once a week, but I'mdoing circuits and I fucking I
got my hit training and I'mfucking swimming.
Shout out, frank, um, you knowI'm doing all this other stuff.
(09:04):
You're like, bro, just, I mean,don't get me wrong, there's
plenty of people doing plenty ofjujitsu, but you do actually
have to spend a certain amountof time exposed to the stress of
grappling, to have thetolerance for the thing.
And the thing is we accept thiswith everything else, like if
someone said to you oh Joe, I'mgetting ready for a marathon,
look, I'm only running once aweek.
(09:24):
I do about, you know, five Kscasual pace.
It's pretty good.
You're like I don't know ifthat's enough.
You know, and I think the thingthat we anyone who's done
jiu-jitsu for an extended periodof time, you know that, like
once a week, ain't doing it andthat ultimately, we want to see
more people doing, yeah, moreconsistent training.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this idea of finding alternatives is actually
it's wasting your time becauseit just is basically spending
more time not experiencingjiu-jitsu like you've got good
(10:10):
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So what would you if you've gotsomeone and let's say they are
average shape, not super fit,and they want to start jujitsu
and they've told you thatthey're like JT yes, I really
want to do jujitsu, I'm justgoing to get fit first.
If you were to tell them whatyou've just said and they're
like fuck, all right, you got me.
What should I do?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Okay, well, the first things first, because obviously
it's different for everyindividual, because maybe
someone goes for a trial classand they're like, oh, how good
was the trial class, like howeasy was that.
That may not be the truth ofthe thing itself.
I think for every individual,their physical tolerance for the
thing is maybe greater or less.
(11:36):
So what you have to do isactually go and do the class and
see how you pull up.
That's like step number one.
I think we've establishedthrough past episodes that we
want people training three timesa week, but maybe when you get
started your first class you'resore for days afterwards.
Therefore, three times thatweek is going to be pretty hard.
(11:57):
But I think for you to pick aday and go right, I'm going to
go earlier in the week and thenI'll go later in the week and
see how you pull up.
I think two is a good place tostart to just build the habit,
because that's essentially whatyou're doing New behavior, new
habit.
And we want to keep the barpretty low, because the other
(12:17):
mistake, which is the other way,is where people come in, get so
frothy and they're like right,I'm training every day, I'm
training twice a day, and thenthey flame out.
So I think the beginner who isunsure needs to give themselves
like a good maybe start on aMonday, two or three days and
then another one somewhere inthe week which gives them enough
time to recover.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Two, three sessions of jits a week.
And what else Should they bedoing stuff in the gym?
Should they go for a run?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, definitely, I mean look here's the thing I am
a bit of a killjoy in the sensethat, like people like, yeah,
but I just enjoy it and fuckyour fun.
No, I mean, hey, enjoy yourlife, have your hobbies, but
that's the thing too.
Like, jujitsu is hard on yourbody, so that's.
It's sometimes hard when youstart jujitsu that you're like,
oh, my legs are really sore, myback sore, running isn't if
(13:05):
you're taking up running as anew thing yeah, not a good time
to double up on the new hobbies.
Yeah, I think giving jujitsu itsown due allowance is good so
you can work out your tolerance.
But obviously we areencouraging people to have an
ability to be doing somestretching and doing some
mobility and, yeah, definitelybeing able to do some gym as
(13:27):
well as a great thing.
But if you haven't establishedjujitsu as a habit, it may be a
bit of overload to start a lotof other stuff.
Look, if you're already doingweights, if you're already
stretching, you're already fitand capable.
No problems, Don't you know?
Keep it going.
Yeah, Just just perpetuate, butultimately I mean Just use gis
for your pull-ups from now onforever.
(13:52):
No, don't, don't for yourpull-ups from now on forever.
No, don't, don't.
Don't give deep pull-ups one ofthe most overrated movements of
all time still a fan.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah sure, that's fine, but uh says mr no, gee
says mr non-traditional I meanyeah yeah, I mean I don't try, I
just throw a rash guard overthe bar now.
I don't try fucking.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Get the fuck out of here Fucking worm guard, this
no-gi class itch.
Funnily enough, they are sayingthat lasso in no-gi is the most
effective guard.
But anyway, all to the side, itdoesn't matter.
I think it doesn't matter ifyou're.
I think gi is actuallyphysically harder than no-gi.
When you start Like the torque,oh yeah, but let's not go there
(14:29):
.
No, no, no, no.
But I'm saying that like somefolks out there might be like oh
, my gym only trains gi andyou're like just fucking go to,
just go to whatever they got.
Yeah, get amongst it, noquestion, like don't hold back.
I think this is the thing, likeget into it while we're giving
advice on the new thing.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I remember I spoke to a guy once that ran to do down
at bondi and he's like, oh, it'smy friend buba, he wants to
start jujitsu.
And the guy's like, yeah, yeah,I'm really keen.
And I'm like, oh, awesome.
And he's like, you know, I'mlooking for some advice to get
started.
I was like, yeah, sure.
And he's like, what gym do youtrain at?
And I was like I train at thisone up the road.
And he's like, how much is itthe membership?
(15:05):
And I'm like you're a dickhead.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Ask my advice, joey, just Joey just like forehead
tapped him and then justdouble-legged him you ask my
advice but then hit me with theprice objection.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I'm like, bitch, I'm not selling you a membership,
but I'm like.
But my advice is don't makeyour decision based on the price
either.
Just go and fucking try theshit and, when you like, the
place and the anything you'regoing to do is going to cost you
money.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It doesn't matter what club you want to be a part
of, but make sure that, like,you're happy to get beat up by
these people because that'sgoing to be the experience.
I think this is the othermisconception.
When people start jiu-jitsuthey're like I'm going to get so
good at this so fast.
No, no, you're not.
And as long as you're on boardwith this is cool and I'm
(15:56):
learning, that's really good.
But that initial period istough to accept, the humbling
nature of just getting squashedand passed and all of that.
It doesn't matter if you'retraining white belts or white
belts or with upper belts.
Even for myself, the cognitivedissidence on how good I think
my jujitsu is versus how good itactually is is fucking wild.
(16:19):
Because in my head I'm stilllike prime purple belt, trained
in Brazil six months.
Best, I could fuck with KitDale, bro, I fuck with Kit Dale.
I can beat Craig Jones, all ofthis, all this illusion in my
mind Five times out of 10.
Yeah, and then I go.
And then I just go.
Hey, chris Wojcik, let's dofull locks.
Ah, I just get you know.
(16:41):
Hey, damn man, child, let'sjust whoa.
Like don't fuck around Like Ithink, within all of this, the
the huge value in jujitsu, whichis great.
It will humble you like a jogwon't like as much as you could
be running in, your legs burnyou think.
Oh, running so hard, having agrown ass man on top of you,
(17:01):
dominating you in a kind ofcomes up Chimaev-esque position
and you can do nothing to getthe fuck out of there, which
really makes you question am Ienjoying this?
Like is this?
Is this good for me?
This is not what I fuckingsigned up for.
It is actually the truth of thething, which if that means you
(17:22):
stop doing it, then you probablyshouldn't be doing it.
But if that then incites in youthe fucking fuel to be like I
have to get better, then jujitsuis the right thing.
It is the beautiful thing andthe suffering is fucking worth
it.
The juice is worth the squeeze.
Folks, don't avoid it.
Lean in, get some.
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