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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
BJJ fashion and
environmental awareness.
This sounds strange.
How can these things gotogether?
Fast fashion, it's somethingthat doesn't really get talked
about in the world of BJJ, butwe all like a new rash guard.
I like a new rash guard, same asthe next person.
And I used to collect gis.
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Like I used to, when I was likedeep in the gi game, I wanted
all the new shit.
Like it's just like one of thosethings where you have a hobby,
you get really passionate, andyou want to get all the toys and
all the things.
But then as you grow up and youdo certain things, you learn
more and more about therepercussions of your actions.
And sometimes that isconfronting.
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And it I was fucking shook.
I was just like, oh my God, I'mI'm a terrible person.
I'm fuck me.
Oh my god.
More not so much the BJJelement, but if I think about
how many clothes I went throughin my kind of health and fitness
career, because it I'll behonest, people, when I squat, I
destroy pants.
I I tear the crotch out of mostpants if they don't have some
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degree of nylon or stretch inthem.
So I've been wearing artificialplastic shorts, pants, you name
it, for the last 25 years.
Because if I didn't, I'd behanging out all over the place.
SPEAKER_01 (01:30):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:30):
And but I I had
never really thought about the
environmental fucking impact ofhow much how much stuff I'd
bought cheaply, because I'vealways kind of been a you know,
probably a bit more on the broketrainer side of things, and and
kind of chewed through a lot oflike just plastic-based
clothing, whether it be shirts,singlets, shorts, you name it.
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And man, this documentary had mefucking rocked.
So like was it about like thewastefulness of the whole poly
like polyester and shit?
Polyester, it was also talkingabout like obviously fast
fashion is a movement that'sreally taken on in the last
probably five to ten years wheresomething's super cheap and it
gets turned over.
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Yeah, and then also with And wewant to buy it, we rebuy it.
SPEAKER_01 (02:17):
Yeah, because it's a
new one six months later, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:20):
And and it's this
consumer cycle.
But then also people, theinfluencer thing of people
buying clothes and they'rehaving a 30-day return, they buy
it, wear it, and then send itback with the label on.
Yeah.
Which is I can't, that's a wholenother level of fucking wasteful
fuckery that I can't abide.
But it was showing that therewas these um clothing dumps in
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different parts of Asia andAfrica.
Uh, where you know, like awhat's great in Australia, we
have like a ton of thrift storesand there's a bunch of recycling
there.
But for the best part, um, manydifferent countries would buy or
we would ship those bulk usedclothing over there.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
We those thrift
stores still still send a whole
bunch of that shit overseas.
Oh, wait, you do it.
Because they get so much theycan't deal with.
SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And basically, what it wassaying is if the clothing you
bought is made of syntheticpolymers, it lives, it's a
plastic bag, right?
It like lives for hundreds ofyears.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
The shirt might fall
apart, but those little bits of
plastic stay in the environment.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
Yeah.
And and you know, microplasticsis a a bigger and bigger thing.
I think, you know, we're we'remore aware of like forever
chemicals and all these things.
And I'm not saying this to beparticularly negative, but it
really made me go, fuck.
I I mean, it made it really itit confronted me because I was
like, I'm not someone who buys alot of stuff.
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I don't.
Uh I don't feel the need for it.
I'm not a particularlyfashionable person, but I have
bought a lot of jujitsu stuff inmy life, and I still have most
of it.
But you know, when a rash guardjust goes a bit too far, or it
doesn't matter how many timesyou fucking soak it, rinse it,
stinks, or it starts to fray,and you think, okay, this guy
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goes to the bin now.
But it kind of lives forever.
And and so the challenging thingfor me has been I have actually
been gradually over timereplacing some of my more
plastic-based clothing with morenatural fibre stuff.
That has just been a personalchoice.
That's nothing I've reallytalked about.
But yeah, man, I still thisdocumentary lives in my head
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rent-free forever.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
I mean, um, from
that health point of view,
there's a lot of there's a lotof science coming out, isn't
there, that like wearingplastic, especially when you're
doing when you're sweatingbecause your paws are open, so
you're pulling the plastics inis a bad idea.
So here for dudes, particularlyaround the junk, like this is a
this is a big one for like umthe armpits.
Don't count and shit.
Yeah, right.
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Don't count.
SPEAKER_00 (04:52):
It's it's pretty
wild.
Now, here's the thing that umconfronted me when I was because
I thought, all right, I'm gonnaum do a little bit of research
about this thing.
Just just have half an idea.
And I thought to myself, man,what is it about this clothing,
like this plastic clothing,which is particularly bad?
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And when I started to look atit, I was like, oh my god, I
didn't realize the situation.
So there is a particularchemical which is a flame
retardant.
I believe it is called RBA.
Now I'm just flipping backbecause I I wrote it down in my
journal because I'm like, right,I gotta bring this up.
And the thing that makes causesit to leach from the fabric in
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particular is oils, like oils inyour skin.
Right.
And specifically the oils inyour skin that get released when
you sweat.
Yeah.
And this is true of everystretch fabric.
unknown (06:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (06:35):
Pretty much every
stretch fabric.
Not like anything you wearthat's like, oh, that's nice and
easy to put on, whether it's alike a hoodie or some some track
pants or a pair of underpants orwhatever it might be.
You mean cotton stuff?
Um, it depends on how much ofthat cotton material is uh has
this flame retardant stuff init.
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Yeah, so endocrine disruption,yeah, your balls, your thyroid,
your adrenals, it fucks witheverything.
Ovaries, they're saying forwomen's yoga gear as well.
Oh yeah.
Because it's right up on the umright up on the vag.
And so that that can haveeffects.
But uh they're talking aboutphthalates and bisphenol, and
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this is it's called brominatedflame retardant, BFR.
So this is the thing.
They've shown that they've thatin animals.
So what they've done is they'veput like artificial like plastic
underwear on wolves and rabbits.
SPEAKER_01 (07:35):
That's so fucking
unethical.
SPEAKER_00 (07:37):
So unethical.
I mean, the wolf does actuallysound milk.
SPEAKER_01 (07:40):
You're like, yo, how
can you do that to a wolf, man?
Shit.
And you just see these wolvesroaming and underwear on it.
You're like, God, Calvin Klein'sguys, relax.
SPEAKER_00 (07:48):
Yeah, and they're
saying the the wolf pack falls
apart because there's no leader,and they all just agree with
each other.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
And oh there's no
alpha males anymore.
They actually put um CalvinKleins on one and then they put
the Trade brand on the other.
And they found that the onewe're in Calvin Klein's
naturally elevated to leader,and the tradey one became, you
know, subordinate.
Anyway, I digress.
The show was not sponsored byCalvin Klein.
It's a class battle out there.
SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
But I but this is
the thing that it really is not
just the environmental impact,there's the health impact,
right?
Yeah, and so we wear rash guardsand we because it's easier, if
it's got stretch, it's easier.
And this led me down a rabbithole of like, fuck, is there
like sustainable, likeenvironmentally friendly,
human-friendly jujitsu stuff?
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And there is some stuff outthere, but it's very minority.
So I just want yeah, I want totake a chance here to talk about
our chemical because they didsend us some stuff, so I did
want to give them a shout out.
And they are an Australian-basedbrand.
I had seen some stuff of them onsocial media, but not really
paid much attention to itnecessarily.
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But I was speaking with HopeDouglas because she's sponsored
by them.
And she Hope is a friend of theshow.
She's a friend of the show,she's a bulletproof for BJJ
athlete, and she Australia's topfemale black belts, one of the
most achieved, and you know,soon to return to competition.
Um, and so she she was wearingone of their kind of rashies,
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and I was like, Oh, it'sinteresting, because I felt it
and I looked at it, and it itlooked more almost like a
thermal, you know, like for anyof you out there into camping,
stuff like that.
Thermals are predominantly, youknow, plastics, and that's why
they keep you warm.
But this was I know you get alot of merino, like wool ones,
and then you get yeah, you getmore the artificial ones.
But I said to her, like, how isthis like this?
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And she's like, Oh, you know,it's it's it's actually partly
um bamboo.
I was like, Oh, okay, that'sinteresting.
And she's like, and yeah, it'sonly um five percent, five
percent spandex or whatever thatwas, which is the less harsh of
all of the kind of stretchmaterials you can have.
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Right.
So I was like, oh wow.
And she's like, oh, you shouldtalk to them.
And yeah, they sent us somegear.
So man, I I I've used the rashguard.
Actually, when we rolled theother week, I wore it.
And it didn't feel it feels likea little bit heavier.
You know how you can get a rashithat's slightly heavier, but it
didn't make me feel hot oranything like that.
And yeah, I loved it.
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I wore mine in training theother day.
SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
I thought it was
really good.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Yeah, I I was I was
surprised that you could get a
natural fiber um like rashguard.
Yes, I mean they can handle likethe rigors of I just kind of
couldn't believe it.
And and having having had a chatto them, they they said yeah,
and it just doesn't hold thestink either.
SPEAKER_01 (10:39):
Yeah, you you know
the stink, the stink has always
put me off with with rashesbecause you're like like and I
actually spoke to a trainingpartner this week about it, and
he's like, bro, I I can't wearum, I can't wear rashis anymore.
We're talking about wearingrashis under the ghee.
And like, should you, should younot?
And I often don't.
And he was like, he was like, Ican't.
Like if I put a rashie on, evena brand new one, he goes, I
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stink within like 10 minutes.
Oh wow, I stink.
SPEAKER_00 (11:05):
It reacts.
SPEAKER_01 (11:06):
And I'm like, and I
and I'm like, I don't get that,
but I know that certain rashis,once they're of mine, once
they're a bit older, I put themon and and it I stink instantly.
And it's like I it's like thethe bacteria that lives inside
that rashi gets reactivated onmy skin.
Yeah, and I'm like, that'sactually fucking disgusting.
It is, and what's going onthere?
What's living in that shit?
SPEAKER_00 (11:27):
And I found that
with old sports gear, like those
kind of you know thoseartificial fabric polos they
make kind of uh trainers wear,so it's like trainer on the
back, yeah, like the ones thatbig gyms give to their trainers,
yeah.
Yeah, they're typically theworst for that, yeah.
And so, yeah, for me, sinceseeing this documentary and
thinking about it, I'm like,right, I gotta make a bit of a
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move here.
Like, and and the thing too islike speaking with the
alchemical guys, they do bamboo,hemp, and organic cotton.
And and and you know, this isacross all their stuff, their
gis and their and their fittedstuff.
But it made me think no one'sfucking talking about this, you
know, and they're talking a lotmore about it in the context of
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like yoga gear sports gear.
But think about how much yousweat in jujitsu.
It's pretty pretty intense.
You're swimming in that rashi,yeah, 100%.
And and even I've thought thiswith my underwear because most
of my underwear is like stretchmaterial.
SPEAKER_01 (12:24):
That's why all the
elite guys have to take
exogenous hormones, yeah.
Because they're all fucking bad,like fighting the war against
microplastics.
SPEAKER_00 (12:31):
Imagine the T levels
are on the decline.
Your Rashi is shrinking yourballs.
Imagine.
And so start calling you not soboy, it's gonna be rashi boy.
Rashi boy.
So it look, this is justsomething I want to bring up
because it it is something thatI haven't heard anyone really in
the jujitsu community talkingabout.
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We've always been on the crestof the wave here at Bulletproof
for B2J.
That's true, breaking newground.
And so I think that this will bemore of a thing in the future as
this kind of comes through.
That it's it's pretty important.
SPEAKER_01 (13:06):
Yeah, you can you
can heed JT's warning now, or
you can wait 12 months forHuberman and Chris Williamson to
talk about it, whatever youwant.
But you just so you know, youheard it here first.