Bullied to Champion: The Knockout Impact of Mentorship and Resilience

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
One out of every five students report being bullied.
13% were made fun of, callednames or insulted.
They were pushed, shoved,tripped or spit on.
One in five tweens have beencyber bullied.
It's a problem and it has tostop.
Welcome to Bully.
This a hero's journey.
There's life at the end of thetunnel.

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Our passion is to show kidsthat there is life after
bullying.
You'll hear from former bulliesand bullying victims and you'll
hear how they made theirjourney from troubled youth to
successful adults.
Welcome to Bully.
This a hero's journey.
Now your hosts Tyler Copenhaver, heath and Clifford Starks.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Welcome to Bully this podcast.
Season two, season two, cliff.
Yes, season two, episode oneright, and so we left it last
season and we said, hey, if thisis helpful to people, let us
know and we'll come back.
And it was really cool actually.
So, looking on our platform, Ijust got to notice that we are
in the top 50% of podcasts.

(01:08):
So raise the roof On top ofthat, cliff and I won award for
Best Co-hosts last season Prettycool, and above and beyond any
of that is really heartwarmingfeedback from some amazing
people, and so we really hopethis is helpful.
Please continue to send usmessages and everything else,
and thank you for wanting us tocome back and do this, and we're

(01:32):
glad to hear it's helpful.
So we always start the episode,as you remember, although
you're 0 for 5, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
By the way, no, I got one right.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Because you looked at my book?
I'm pretty sure Doesn't matteryou can't take it from me, ok,
and you answered Michael Jordanlike five times in a row.
You're bound to get it.
So today we have a new celebritythat dealt with bullying in
their youth and we like to bringthis to our audience because
then they can understand thatsome amazing people had had that

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happen to them.
So here's the clues for you.
The cause of her bullying laterbecame her success.
So what she was into wasactually causing her bullying,
and later on I'm going to giveyou this actually extra clue
because you need it At one ofher concerts she was assigning

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t-shirts from her bullies, whomforgot altogether that they had
bullied her at the start.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Did you look?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Did I get it right?
Yeah, you got it right.
Woo, without looking, mic drop.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So Taylor was into country music growing up and
actually this is what got herpicked on.
So and then look at where she'sgone now like incredible
heights in the country musicscene, and I find that it's
sometimes amazing that thetalent that you have when you're
young, or this instinct orwhatever you're into, actually
causes like a lot of thisadversity or that burden drives

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you to success in another wayand such as our next guest.
So I'm super happy to haveclose personal friend Ryan Diaz
here.
Cliff and I have both knownRyan for an incredibly long time
.
It's going to take me a minuteto get through all he's done and
this is just actually like I'vecut this down.
But Ryan has been doing so mucharound the MMA world for a long,

(03:29):
long time before it was evenlike people were talking about
it, right?
So he was KOTC BantamweightWorld Champion, afc Bantamweight
World Champion, hook and ShootNorth American Champion, two
times PNW Champion, fearless MMAChampion, canadian Muay Thai
Competition Champion Sorry,champion.

(03:50):
International Muay ThaiChampion, adcc veteran, veteran
of over 50 professional fightsall over the world.
Who's had the most fights?

Speaker 5 (04:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
There's some guys that have like 100 fights Travis
.
Is it not Shannon the Canon?

Speaker 5 (04:07):
Shannon the Canon.
There was another one, theIronman.
They called him the Travis.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Trevor or Trevor.
What is his name?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Oh no, if you don't know, MMA 50 is an incredible
amount of fights.
And not only that.
Our good friend, ryan did thoseall over the world, lived and
trained martial arts in Thailand, ryan and actually I've been to
the same place over there.
He's a celebrity Philippines,arizona and Las Vegas and now

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he's moved on past fighting andhe's trainer to professional
fighters in the UFC and othersystems.
He owns part of the MMA labhere in Arizona, which is an
incredible gym with some reallygreat guys a lot of UFC guys
there.
He also owns DIA's Combat Sport.
You have two locations up therenow.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Well, basically just across the street from each
other.
It's just we ran out of room inone gym and we're like, oh, we
can't expand.
If you guys know like Vancouverhas one of the most expensive
real estate in the world andit's not like here in Arizona
where there's tons of land andit's just make big things.
So we just ran out of room sowe had to go get the building
across the street to add moreroom for us.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's a good problem, they have right, so, and he's
got the locations up in Canada,and you guys do an incredible
job up there, always watchinghis posts on a personal level.
It's always nice when I havepersonal friends on here with
these backgrounds, and I don'teven know that they've dealt
with bullying in their lifeeither.
That's what's interesting.
We've known each other for along time.
Mentioned this shows going on,and you bring up a story, and

(05:37):
I've had that happen withmultiple friends that I would
have never known, and so it'sincredible to have a personal
guest on here with a great storythat I can vouch for on a
personal level too, being anamazing human being still doing
a lot of good for the world,because I do believe we've
talked about this on theepisodes.
I do believe that going into afitness routine or an MMA gym

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can be incredible for a lot ofdifferent things and develop a
good community, and so I applaudRyan for that, and on top of
that, they do a lot ofself-defense courses around
women protection and that sortof stuff, and I'm missing an
incredible amount.
I can't do the man enoughjustice, but we need to get on
with the show, and so we'regoing to follow as usual and,

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for Ryan's sake, we're going totalk about the hero's journey,
as always.
So we're going to walk youthrough the hero's journey.
We're going to talk a littlebit about what it was like
growing up and what you can tellthe kids to make them
understand that you were theones there too.
And, by the way, if you can'ttell from his credentials, you
would never think in a millionyears that you dealt with
bullying growing up.

(06:44):
No, you'd never think.
No, I mean, could you tell us alittle bit about some of the
things that happened to you?

Speaker 5 (06:49):
First off, we didn't have a lot growing up Like my
mom.
I love my mom and everything.
I always tell everyoneeverything I have.
The person I am is because ofher.
She came from nothing.
She came from a farm in thePhilippines Like literally she
was having.
She was one of those storieswhere she had to walk five miles
to school every day and allthat thing.
And then she moved to Canada atthe age of 19 or 20 and just

(07:14):
built her way up.
So even us when we were kids,we didn't have our dad around.
It was just me and my brother,my grandma and my grandpa.
We lived in a basement suite ofa house and there was only a
two bedroom house so we had toshare, the five of us, a small
two bedroom like basement suite.
So we grew up with nothing andwhen I was a kid maybe, maybe,

(07:36):
believe it or not I was this fat, little chubby kid.
You see them back then and nowbefore, after things.
Oh, I could do one of those easy.
I had like I was fat, reallyfat, I had the braces, and not
only like back in the day, likeI don't know if you guys
remember, but back in the daypeople had to wear the headgear.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh yeah, you had to wear that.
Yeah, you know that thing so.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
I had the headgear, the glasses, and I was a fat
little chubby kid.
So, man, of course I was like awalking target, sure, you know.
And then I wanted to be cool.
So, like what I did was I triedto hang out with the old kids
you know, the older kids and tryto be like you know, I don't
know how it was, but maybe I wasannoying or I don't know, but I
just wanted to be.
You know, I wanted to be cooltoo and I guess being this fat

(08:23):
little kid with braces andglasses and headgear, like it,
wasn't cool, right.
So, like you know, I got pickedon and I got, like I got, beat
up a lot, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
What can you tell us?
A specific story, like one timeof like.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
There's so many, but here is there's one, like they
just for fun.
They're like hey, five of usare just going to beat you up
and let's just see if you cantake it.
Like you know, like I won't saythey tried to kill me, but like
they booted me and like I justhad to shell up and like they
kicked me, punched me, whatever.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I mean we only stay so long on like that sort of
stuff.
I mostly just want the kids tounderstand that, like like you,
now you've accomplished so much,you know around fighting and
stuff like that, you would Imean the same guys if they were
in the ring with you now.
It wouldn't even be a contest,right?
I got a story about that later,I can tell you.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
But I know you don't want to touch on it, but you
know what.
That's how it got me intofighting.
So what happened was I'll neverforget.
I always laugh about this story.
I was 13 at the time and wewent to a high school dance at
another school and at the highschool dance we were the kids
that were from another school.
So then you know, the kids thatwere from that school are like

(09:29):
yo, man, you guys shouldn't behere.
And then you know, like whenyou're in high school and then,
hey, why doesn't one of our guysfight one of your guys?
And then, because I was the onethat got picked on, they're
just like, hey, let him go.
And they didn't care about.
Like I didn't think theyobviously they didn't choose me
because I was the toughest guy.
They're just like, okay, yeah,let him fight.
A way of picking.
Yeah.
So I was 13, and I was gradeeight, I believe, and they put

(09:52):
me up against this grade 12 kidand I had never trained in my
life yet and it felt like amovie, because everyone was in
the dance and then everyone juststarted getting out and that's
when they started.
Then everyone walked to thestreet.
We were all on the street andthere was a big circle.
I remember this.
And my friends tell me and I'mlike, oh, let's do this.
And I'm 13 years old I didn'teven know how old he was.
I'm like, okay, let's do this.

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And I thought I did pretty good.
And like I asked my friends theother next day, I'm like, oh,
how did I do?
And they said, yo, you justwent, took him down and you just
started pounding on him andthen we had to stop it.
I'm like, oh, and I'm only a 13year old kid at the time.
And then after that I got intomore street fights and stuff and
they knew I could fight.

(10:34):
So then these guys were like,hey, go beat up that guy.
Not beat him, because Iwouldn't say beat him up, but
like, hey, go fight that guy.
And then they did that.
See, that was their form ofbullying me was to put me in the
fights, and they didn't care ifI got beat up or not.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And then one day it's not like they were breaking it
up, it was going too far- no,luckily it never got too far.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
I was a tough kid but I know, looking back now, that
if I was getting beat up theywould let me just get beat up.
And then one day I was like I'mpretty good at this thing,
maybe I'll just try to do it forreal.
And then I went to my firstkarate school and I was like you
know what?
Then I started learning thediscipline of martial arts.
I'm like, hey, I don't need todo this stuff and fight on the
street.
One day I'm going to fight inthe ring for money and do this

(11:16):
professionally.
And at the age of 13 or 14, 13was when I decided I'm like you
know what, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is that when you officially started training, was
it around 14?
13.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
It was that same year .
Yeah, because it was only abouta few months of street fighting
where I'm like I'm pretty goodat this.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You know what I'm saying.
When you originally went in,what did you find there that was
the most helpful?
Was it a way to finally beanother extension of what was
happening in the street, or wasit the community?

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I don't know about you guys, but when I was a kid I
was a big Bruce Lee fan.
I was a big like.
I always talk about even bloodsport, like.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
John Club Van Dam.
You look at him now.
You're like ugh.
You're like, what was Ithinking?
I was like I was a big karatekid fan.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Sure you know and I love the martial art movies I'm
like you know what I want to dothis?
And then, when I actuallystarted doing it myself
no-transcript, hey, I feel thatthis is something I should be
doing.
And then I started, even at theage of around 13, 14, or around
14 more.
A year later, I started readingabout the samurai life, Like
the whole mentality and thewhole samurai code, the Bushido

(12:23):
code, and I was like you knowwhat I like this, like the Seven
Rings and Well, yeah, the Bookof Five Rings, five Rings sorry.
That's Miyotomusashi.
And then there was obviouslythere was the Chinese Sun Tzu
Art of War.
I even read those when I was alittle kid and I was like you
know what?
This is what you got to do.
You got to have discipline inyour life and I want to do this
right, and so that's what reallygot me into it.
Was it the martial arts moviesfirst, and then getting into

(12:45):
like the Bushido code and likethe whole samurai mentality?

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I got a question with the Bushido
code, right respect to that.
And then I think somethingabout our childhood, like when
our moms speak to us and ourmoms give us certain values that
help extend values in new areasof life.
So did your mom give you anyspecific values that really

(13:12):
helped you extend into whatyou're?

Speaker 5 (13:14):
doing.
The number one value my momgave me is just she didn't even
give it to me, I just saw her doit.
It's just work her ass off.
Yeah, my mom worked so hard,like she was a single parent,
you know.
There was a time even where shehad to take a job in Seattle.
We were living in Vancouver andshe would have to work the
whole week in Seattle and comehome on the weekends to see us,

(13:34):
and that was the only time shegot to see us, you know.
And then I can see all the hardwork she did.
And then, like she even juststarted at the bottom of
wherever she, eventually she gota job at the university and I
saw her start from the bottomand go right to the top.
That's awesome.
And she became one of themanagers at the university.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
That's awesome.
Yeah, yeah, was she reallysupportive when you wanted to
get into the?

Speaker 5 (13:55):
So this is the funny part is that my mom is Like
every mom you don't want yourkid to fight.
Yeah, she never wanted me tofight.
She never watched me fight.
She hated that I fought.
Yeah, she was the one thatwould drive me to the gym.
If she could, she would pick meup.
If I could, she could, shewould.
When I started fighting in.
I started fighting in the ringat the age of 16.

(14:16):
She would drive me to the arenaand then just pick me up after
Because she didn't want to watchyou.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, did she watch any of your fights over there?
This?

Speaker 5 (14:23):
is where the funniest thing is is that I started
fighting on TV yeah, like, tsnin Canada is the equivalent to
ESPN in America, sure, and theystarted putting MMA fights on
TSN, okay, and so I was fightingon TSN, and then there was even
the times where I won.
I was fine.
And she wouldn't watch.
But yet she would tell all herfriends to watch.
She wouldn't let.

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She wouldn't watch.
So she's never seen me fightbefore Interesting.
And I asked her one day I go,she's just like, she just goes.
I can't see my son getting hurt, even like even just one punch
to the face.
So you know what?
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I wonder about that visceral response that she might
have as a mom.
Yeah, I could only imagine, ofcourse.
But respect, and speaking aboutthat hard work, there's a
saying be, do have.
And then I've been, I'veactually talked to you about
this see, do have.
Like we become what we see.
And you are actually aninspiration to me.

(15:18):
You know, as I was coming up asa fighter, this was one of my
coaches and watching the amazingthings you did, it made me want
to do amazing things.
Yeah.
You know, and I'm a grown adult,yeah, so we're really extending
off of each other.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Well, I'm curious too , it's like so we both know Diaz
personally being a really niceguy, you know like an extremely
kind hearted individual andeverything.
How much of that, you think,Because he's always that way.
I've never seen him bedifferent.
He can be a little bit moretesty sometimes when somebody
gets on him, a little bit likeanybody.
But what I'm getting at is likehow much of him being that way

(15:55):
in the gym, you know like madeyou be such a nice guy in the
gym too.
It's like there's a time to benice, a time not to be nice.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
You know what I mean yeah Well, it's so interesting.
Certain values attract Values.
Yeah Right, and I only want tobe around people who treat me
right.
Yeah.
And I learned honestly, Ilearned that young, you know,
when my biological left, I waslike holy crap, people can just
leave your life, so I'm going tochoose who I'm going to have in
my life and who I'm not goingto have in my life.

(16:23):
Yeah, so when I came into thegym, I got to see personalities
that were like my own and wereally fed off of each other and
supported each other, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
And we couldn't have a better guest to talk about
this with, because Diaz a lot oftimes.
So what we've learned throughthis journey, like one of the
things, is like a community isabsolutely everything right, and
so, whether you realized it ornot, probably getting into that
community at 14 years old wasimperative too, because you had
these guys that were jerks toyou, you know.
And now you get in, youprobably met some decent people

(16:55):
within training, right?

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, that's the thing is that they always tell
you if you got to surroundyourself with the people that
want to do something that youwant.
Yeah.
You know, if you want to be arich person, you got to surround
yourself with someentrepreneurs.
Yeah, you can't have Joey thenose as your best friend If you
want to become a basketballplayer, you got to surround
yourself with other basketballplayers.

(17:18):
And when it comes to fightingactually I just had this
conversation with one of myfriends you think that fighting
is an individual sport becauseit's just one person fighting.
It's not no way.
You are only as good as thepeople like I won't even say
behind you, but they're besideyou.
Yes, because they need to bethere.
Like for us as an MMA, you needthe teammates to have training

(17:39):
partners, sparring partners, youknow, drilling partners.
Then you need a coach to tellyou what you're doing wrong.
Then, when you go in the cage,like you need that other eye
that doesn't see things that youI'm sorry that sees things that
you don't see.
Yeah, you know.
And then even the other thingwe talked about was that there's
going to be days where you'relike I don't want to do this,
sure, like I'm tired and youknow, and you need that person,

(18:01):
or that those people be like no,let's go.
Yeah.
You know what I?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
mean, well, that's, I got a thought too, because you
were a calm energy that I likebeing around, yeah, and I
expressed that.
So I got to ask the questionlike where did that calm energy
come from?
Or do you even know where?

Speaker 5 (18:16):
it came from.
Well, I got a lot of energy.
The thing is is, when it comesto fighting, like I'm going,
like it's funny, because when itcomes to fighting, it's like I
try to tell everyone this likeyou got to flip the switch, yeah
, Like okay, hey, we're fightingnow.
We're going to do our job, yeah,like, hey, let's do our job.
And that's the most importantthing about fighting, because
some people try to let theemotions get involved, like and

(18:37):
I'll admit it, there's beenfights, too, where I just didn't
like the guy and I realizedthat that was the wrong thing to
do yeah, you have to fight.
When you fight, that's your job, yeah, you know.
And then you have to, like, dowhat you're supposed to do, and
if you let emotions get involvedor you start thinking of other
things, you're not going to beable to do your job.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
You're explaining it so much better than I've ever
been able to, because what I'vereally tried to get across to
the audience, you know,especially around the MMA sport,
is like it's amazingly nice.
People Like these arekind-hearted people Like you
walk into the gym and it's likeI would miss a training and I
don't even do it for a livingand I would have 15 text
messages to say hey, tyler,where are you?
You know it's like, are you allright?
How's the ankle?

Speaker 5 (19:16):
You know like so what a lot of people don't
understand and this is actuallysomething I learned from being
at the lab is that even being at, when we were trained together,
we were being around the bestfighters in the world this is
one thing that you learn is thatthe best fighters like the best
anything, the richest guy inthe world, the toughest guy in
the world they don't have totell you that they're tough,

(19:37):
they don't have to act likethey're tough.
The richest guy doesn't have tosay, hey, tyler, I own this,
this, this and that.
You know they're just rich.
And same thing with fighters.
They're just tough.
They don't need to act toughall the time.
You know, it's like we need toact tough when it's our job to
Sure, but outside of that, likeyo man, you got to have fun
doing this thing.
Yeah, you know, and that's onething that we do at our gym and

(19:59):
that's we get a lot ofcompliments about.
This is that I know, like youkeep talking about how walking
in a gym is very intimidating.
We try to take that out as muchas possible.
So, one of the like even my bigthings and we check on this
every day if it is your firstday at our gym, we try to
introduce you to as much as ourstaff as possible and, like
everyone always says, oh, thankyou for coming in, hello, and

(20:20):
one of the other biggest thingsthat I tell my staff is they
have to greet every person thatwalks in and every person that
leaves, whether it be just asimple hello.
You know, have a great class,or how was your day?
Or have a great day today.
You have a good class today,like that's the most important
thing.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Absolutely, and I was going to get to this.
I knew we needed to get to thisbecause you're the perfect
person to talk about on thisepisode, but Cliff and I were on
a podcast called Strong Tea acouple of months ago, or
whatever and amazing podcast, bythe way, if you want to check
it out.
They deal with, like, issuesthat most people don't talk
about.
Right, and the girls asked meand this almost made me break

(20:59):
into tears you know, and it'slike Tyler, how do you help a
kid who has no parental support,no support in general at home
that is experienced Because wetell them the same things that
we've learned through this show.
You got to get them involvedwith the peer community.
You got to give them one friend.
You know, like they can't besiloed, because that's when it's
things get really dangerous andit's like, well, how do you

(21:20):
help a kid that has messed upparents?
And like I almost broke becauseimmediately I felt that kid
right and then I was like Ididn't have a great answer to it
and so like I really want totalk to you about this, because
one thing I've been pondering isthat initial scare into the gym
for one, or when you're 13years old.

(21:41):
I applaud you for gettingyourself kind of.
I mean, you had your mom'ssupport but you've decided
that's what you want to do.
That's hard for a kid, for themost part at 13 years old.
Like you have to kind of askthem are you into the violin,
would you like to try the violin?
And then you go, get them intothe violin classes.
Right For a kid to go, 13 yearsold.
I want to get into the violin.
You know it's not the easiestthing to do and then if they
don't have parents that aregoing to help them, they don't

(22:02):
know how to walk in the door fora violin.
So one thing I've beenpondering lately and I wanted
your advice on this and we'vetalked a little bit about this
what if we talked about thisadvisor program and we had
business owners like you orpeople that were in the fitness
industry?
I mean, I've offered severaltimes too.
It's like if you're out thereand I'm around your area and
you're scared to walk into anMMA gym, I'll go with you, you

(22:23):
know as a kid.
Or if you're scared to walkinto the lifting gym because
that it can even be intimidating, like I'll go with you, you
know.
But what if we had a nation ofpeople that own these gyms or
anything else Violent, anythingelse and say, hey, email me
personally?
You know, like you were onemember I know you're busy, but a
member of your staff would youaccept an email and we'll cut

(22:44):
this if you decide you don'twant to do that.
But would you accept an emailfrom a kid that says I'm really
interested in MMA.
I don't have anybody to show mehow to get involved?
Would you say to that kid hey,I'll walk you through the door.
You tell me what time you'regoing to show up.
I will walk you in the door.
I'll make you?

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Yeah, you could do that, but the thing is that's
what we do already.
Like as soon as somebody's newin the gym, we take care of them
as much as possible.
And it's funny, we have kind oflike a checklist that we do.
Number one we have to askcertain questions Like you know,
how'd you hear about school?
What's your goal?
And that's even just from abusiness perspective.
You need to know that.
Then, after that, you know it'svery important to understand

(23:22):
their goal.
Like, let's just talk businessfor a second.
And when you ask somebody theirgoal, what's so important I'm
giving a secret out is that youhave to explain to them how
you're going to help themachieve their goal.
Sure, so that's an importantthing.
And then the next things wealways ask them hey, do you have
a bottle of water?
And then you know we give thema free water.

(23:42):
Yeah, like you know, those arethe little things, and that's
one thing about everything inlife.
Even fighting is about thelittle things.
And then the other two thingsare three things that we always
make sure.
One, they need to know wherethe bathroom is.
Two, they need to know where toput their stuff.
And three, they need to knowwhere they're class and who
they're and meet theirinstructor, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
So let's dive a little bit deeper into that.
So the last couple years, orthe last year since we've been
on break, I've been studying alot of adversity.
Yes, stuff, right, and we'retalking about underdogs and that
sort of stuff, and how dounderdogs rise to the occasion
and things like that.
And Malcolm Gladwell does awonderful job in his book
Outliers and he actually givesan example of two genius IQ

(24:21):
people, right, and one of themis raised wealthy and one of
them is raised in poverty.
Because, let's face it,bullying is a form of adversity
that we're going against, right,and so that's why it's so
important these kids become, getthrough it, because they become
the most successful people inthe world.
But they also need to know howto advocate for themselves.
So Malcolm Gladwell talks aboutthe poor guy and the rich guy

(24:43):
and how they navigate throughlife, right, and the rich guy
gets told at one point in hisuniversity career he had a job
change or something and he wastalking to the university I need
to switch this class.
And the university is like youcan't do that.
So he immediately took no,dropped out of school.
He never became much in life.
The other guy basically killedsomebody and was able to talk

(25:03):
himself out of it because he wasraised.
You know, like kind of like.
Malcolm Gladwell's point is hewas raised with this entitlement
, right, and he becameOppenheimer who ran the nuclear
projects in the US, and hewasn't even prepared for it
either.
He wasn't even that good, buthe was so good at advocating for
himself that he was able to dothis.
And my point is the differencebetween success and not, and

(25:25):
it's actually proven that peoplethat deal with adversity, that
get past it, become the mostsuccessful people in the planet.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
I agree 100%.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You just have to give them also that ability to
advocate for themselves, right.
And so what my concern alwaysis with the kids that should get
into something.
They're too scared, right?
I mean even getting them towrite that email initially, I
think might be tough for them.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
So that's the thing is that they might have to have
a situation in their life wherethey you know that makes them
have to do it.
Either A they get, you know,not going to say anything bad,
but like, let's say, they getjumped or beat up right, or
another thing and the whole timethat you're saying this and
this actually has been helpingus is UFC getting so popular.
You know, people watch theseathletes on TV fighting like,

(26:11):
hey, I want to do that too.
So that's the other one.
Either that or the most commonone is their friends do it, and
now they want to do it.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Well, their friends are what gets them in.
It's easy to walk in the doorwith your friends, right?

Speaker 5 (26:21):
But, like you said, like ah, but then that's why
that's part of it.
They have to go through thatadversity to get into the gym.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So what's your best advice to akid out there that's way too
afraid, maybe getting bullied?

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Just you know what For all the kids out there that
are getting bullied you got to.
The step one is that you got toget the strength to even just
walk into a gym or findsomething that gives you that
confidence and realize that youare a lot more powerful than you
think you are.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I completely agree with that.
And here's the thing I wastelling somebody earlier today
it's like you kind of have to dono, I'm not going to say kind
of you have to do.
Whatever the thing in life thatyou fear the most, that's the
thing you have to approach,because that's the thing that's
going to grow you the most.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
The reason I'm laughing is we just had this
talk about fighting.
You should practice the thingthat you're not good at, because
if you're a, say, for example,you're a striker, you practice
striking.
That's easy for you becauseyou're a good at striking.
You should be practicing yourgrappling, absolutely.
Because you're not good at it,you have to do the thing that
you're not good at and practicethe thing.
And then the reason why a lotof people don't want to do it,

(27:23):
why they don't like beinguncomfortable and it's not easy.
But then, like you just said,that's the difference between a
champion and one that's not achampion.
So well put, so like even mybelief is that every champion
has to have a hard life or hadto have some sort of hardship in
their life.
And reason why is because tobecome a champion, you're going

(27:45):
to go through a hardship, anykind of hardship, whether it be
getting injured before a fightor in a fight.
You got hit and you're cut andyou want to quit.
And what is the easiest thingto do in those situations Quit
and unless you know, ok, like,and this is how I believe my
training and training should beis that you should train so hard

(28:06):
, you should be put yourself inthe worst positions.
Why?
Because if you get put in afight, you know hey, I'm OK,
I've been here before and I knowwhat this is like.
I can get through this, andthat's the thing is that,
because if you've never beenthere before, you're just going
to want to take the easy way out, and if you don't know that you
can actually push through it,majority of people are not going

(28:28):
to try to push through it,they'd rather take the easy way
out.
Like you know I had thisconversation just last week that
you know, when things get hardin the fight, there's that
little voice in your head thatsays, hey, just tap, just tap
and it's all going to be over.
And then, if you don't know howto shut that guy up, that guy
is going to win.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I'm smiling because I can feel like this is Cliff and
I waters hands down.
We talk about this all the time, so I know you're probably
dying to say something I'm goingto let you go.
I got a million things.
You're describing it so welltoo.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
I will say, ryan, you've done so many amazing
things and won so manychampionships.
You know, sitting here sharingyour insights and your wisdom
and what you've done, and asscary as it can be and I'm
talking to myself, I'm talkingto the audience, I'm talking to
you guys as well the pain ofchanging has to be less than the

(29:24):
pain of staying the same.
I always ask the question whathappens if I don't change?
What happens if I stay in thisshit?
What happens if I stay in it?
But what happens if I'm able topull myself out?
You know, you went through painat 13, and you could have just

(29:44):
kept getting in fights with kids, but you said you know what,
let me try this.
And that's what it's about.
Let me try this.
And you're right, I know thatvoice.
I know that voice well.
But before you even get out onthe stage, you're like oh my
goodness, I'm getting ready togo on live TV, everyone's

(30:04):
getting ready to watch me.
What if something bad happens?
Like, all right, shut up, calmdown, Focus.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean, most of the greatest building you can
do is by approaching fears,right.
I mean, this podcast is a fearfor me.
I mean, I don't know if youfear it, you don't fear it these
days, but for me this was ahuge fear doing this podcast,
right, but it's a fear thatwe've approached and then, like
I've done so much the last yearbecause of it, you know,
approaching this.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
No, it's.
It's cool watching you gothrough your process, watching
all of us go through our process, getting the reminisce with you
again and everything thatyou're doing.
It just reminded me of all theold memories.
I told you and, by the way,like and this is a compliment
that I'm saying I knew you werea fat kid because I was a fat
kid and we both had fun together.

(30:52):
And the way he described thefun and how to use it and how to
make it, I'm like I see you.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
But, like you know, you talk about like about trying
to succeed and go throughhardship.
But the other thing is is thatyou know there's that line that
says you miss 100% of the shotsyou don't take.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
You gotta, you gotta, take the shots.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
And then the other thing is is that you have to be,
you have to not be scared tofail or not be scared to lose.
Like there's a lot of timespeople don't do things because
there's oh, I don't want to fail, or I don't want to lose, I
don't want to.
You can't.
Yeah, Like you know, there'sthe guys like you got a Floyd
Mayweather, you got a bunch ofthose guys undefeated.
Yeah, you got Kabebe undefeated, but, like you know, that's,

(31:36):
that's not the majority ofpeople.
Yeah.
And, like you know, they maybefail that.
Something else, like didn'tFloyd not win the gold?

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, you know well that you make a really great
point there, because that's whatwe see.
Yes, it's not the stuff that wedon't see, yeah, and all the
failures that happen that wedon't see.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
Sure.
Well, that's the thing that alot of people don't understand
about, like anything in life,especially even fighting.
They don't see the things thathappen behind the lights.
Yeah, like man, there's justthe endless days of training,
like you know, and then like, ohman, I'm not good enough, or
you know, and then you have baddays.
As a fighter, like even as aworld champion, you're going to
have a bad day too.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Well and I think that's what a lot of people
don't realize too it's like youhave to be.
This is a key phrase thateverybody says you have to be
willing to be bad at somethingto be good at it.
Right, it's like I want peopleto realize right now.
Here's one of the best MMAcoaches in the world and he'll
tell you there's not a personthat walks into his door that's
ready to be in the ring day one.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
It's funny because we get a lot of guys and this is
what's funny, because, yeah,they always tell me like, yeah,
I want to fight.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yeah, I've been a street fighter, you know, so you
know what I there's.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
The funny thing is what I say to them is you know
what the first thing you got todo is?
You got to train.
I go, you got to do lesstalking about fighting and just
do it.
Yeah, and one of the best linesI tell people is just shut your
mouth, keep your head down andjust train and things will
happen.
Yeah, you know, you know.
And if you have a guy thatspends the whole time, I'm going
to do this, I'm going to dothat, I'm ready to fight.
Like you're spending more timetalking about it than actually

(33:03):
going to do it.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you know, I want to ask you so because you
have coached so many peoplethrough the journey.
So what are, what are threethings that people can
actionably train on on a regularbasis to actually get get good
as a fighter?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
Like you mean specific drills and stuff that
they can do on their own.
Is that what you mean?
More mental drills?

Speaker 3 (33:27):
though, than anything .

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Okay, Because we are that would go into anything.
You know what the funny thing?

Speaker 5 (33:32):
was is.
You know who actually taught methis is when me and you were
still at training was.
Were you with us when CarlosCondit was with us For a little
bit?
Yeah, so Carlos Condit taughtme one of the best things ever.
He wasn't the most technical,he wasn't the strongest, but one
thing that I did and I think hemight have forgotten me asking
this to him I asked him like hey, like you know, you win all the

(33:54):
time, and there's times whereyou're like you know, they don't
think you're going to win Likehow do you do that?
And you know what it is is whenhe goes in there, he knows he's
going to win, he doesn't knowhow, but he's just going to do
it.
And that made me start to thinkthat you know what that's the
most important thing is that youhave to believe in yourself.
Yeah, and he believes himselfso much he doesn't know how he's
going to do it, but he's goingto kick your ass.
Yeah, you know, he's going tobeat you.

(34:15):
Yeah, you know.
And that's the number one thingthat has to happen that a
fighter has to work on is thebelief they have to believe in
themselves, because then Ialways tell people if you don't
think you're going to win, howdo?
You think you're going to win.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
You think someone else is going to win for you.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
No, you can't.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Then the other thing I tell, the number two thing I
always tell people is that yougot to believe, like you got to
believe not just in yourself,but you got to believe in your
training, yeah, and then you gotto believe and then have faith
and trust in what you're doingand also the coaches that you
have around you.
You got to believe and trustthem that they know what they're
doing and they're telling you.
What they're telling you isright, yeah, you know.

(34:52):
And like one thing I like Ihope all the fighters know, when
I coach them it's like, hey,I've been here, like, I know the
mistakes, I've made themistakes for you.
You don't need to make themistakes because I've done it
already.
Sure, so listen and trust yourcoaches and trust the people
that you've surrounded yourselfwith, because we talked about
that you got to surroundyourself with the right people,
yeah, then if you know thatyou've chosen the right people,

(35:15):
then trust that they know whatthey're doing.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Yep, and especially, there'sone thing in life that you can
never beat.
You know what that isExperience.
Sure, like there's nothing.
There's nothing you can't.
You can't beat experience.
If someone's more experiencedthan you.
You can't beat them, yeah, likeyou can't beat them on the
experience.
I mean no, maybe in a fight,yeah, but like just thought,

(35:35):
like you can't, you don't knowmore than them because they've
been doing it for so long.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Experience is time, and that's what people don't
realize.
That's it yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Yeah, so believe in yourself, believe in the
environment you're in and thepeople that you have and have
faith and trust in your coachesand time you know that's when it
comes to thing.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
If you ask me three physical things.
Oh, that's easy.
Yeah, one shadow box.
Two hit a bag.
Three go watch some videos.
Why watch videos?
Is because if you go watch thebest fighters in the world and
you do exactly what they'redoing right now, you know.
You know that it works.
Why?
Because they're the champions.
So, if you do it exactly likethey're doing it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
That means, hey, you know what I'm doing something
right, right now Would actuallythrow us back to everything you
just said too.
Yeah, because the same thingthey're practicing, you know,
over and, over and over again.
Time in that their coach istelling them everything you just
said goes to that momentthey're in the ring.
Yes, because they're not evenreally actively thinking anymore
.
They're listening to theircoach and then boom.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Well, that's what all rep fighting is about is
repetition.
It comes to a point where youdon't think about doing things.
You've done it so many timesthat it's just an automatic
thing now.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, and that works with everything in life.
Yes, you know we might betalking in the context of
fighting, because that's your,you know, but you could talk to
a kid at any level and use thesesame principles.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Oh the reason I'm smiling, laughing, is I.
Fighting can go into any aspectof life, totally, yeah, just
the mentality of fighting goesinto anything.
A business, yeah.
A sport, another sport, it'sjust, it's all the same
mentality.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
And not only that, but like for me personally,
being business owner andtraining, like I don't know how
I would ever own a businesswithout the gym and these guys,
honestly, because it like youneed an outlet, you know, yeah,
and the other thing I always tryto hit this hard is like you go
in there and you haveincredible people.
They were my network, they werethe people that, like my cheers
, I would say, like you go in,it's like it's so nice to hear

(37:24):
about, have a bunch of peopleexcited to see you, right, yeah,
that is not hitting the bag yet.
You know, I didn't even get tochance to hit the bag and get
some stressed out.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
That is just people excited to see you, the
community right If you thinkabout life in general, even like
who wants to die alone, no oneknow.
Life is about relationships andwhat you've done with four
people and what you know what Imean.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
I mean, you look at the happiest countries and this
is proven.
There's all kinds of dataaround this.
You look at the happiestpopulations on the planet.
One of the biggest thing aroundthem for health and longevity
and happiness is everything elseis how close is their family
unit, how close is theircommunity?
People are social creatures andthat's why it's so important
that a kid out there right nowis scared by himself, with no

(38:05):
friends and let's say they haveno parents.
To get them involved, I wouldsay you shoot an email to one of
these guys, like Ryan, you know, and say, hey, I want to get in
your gym.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
You know what the crazy thing is that you bring
that up.
We have a on our website.
We have a chat, yeah, and we'veactually had some kids going
there.
Hey, I'm a 13 year old kid, Iwant to do this.
Yeah, you know, we chat withthese 13 year old kids and it's
crazy.
Like 10 years ago you'd neverthink of something like that,
because the internet wasn't asmuch as it is now.
Yeah, but now these kids haveso much like, their access to us
is a lot easier.

(38:33):
You say email, look what theycan do on, like they can go to
my website right now, hit thechat button and someone will
chat with them.
And we've had it numerous timeswhere people have told us hey,
I'm a 13 year old kid, you knowI want to do this.
And then we talk them throughit.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
That's actually huge, because that's a really low
barrier at entry.

Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yes, Shooting a chat.
It's easy.
That's even easier than anemail.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, and then they get a chance to meet you guys
and realize it's not big scarypeople there that you know like
they're going to get hurt theirfirst day or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
And then, especially if you're on our website, you
can see all the pictures andeverything we do.
And it's a pretty website, yeah, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, no, it looks good.
You guys do a really good jobtoo.
It's like I can't say enoughgood things about the gym that
we've trained at, really, butit's like and I, there's some
beautiful people there and youknow like really nice people,
but you guys do a really goodjob of showing that you're
willing to be welcome too, andso that's.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
You know that.
Back to business.
It's all about branding, right?
Yeah, like, even the littlestthing.
Like, to me, everything's aboutlittle things, and especially
in business.
Like you say, even the name ofour gym, yeah, if you want to
use the whole name, ds, combatSports, yeah, like it's a sport,
we put the word sports in there.
Yeah, it's a combat but it's asports.
Yeah, and then what we did,like now we're starting to use

(39:43):
that full name, but at thebeginning and even till now,
we're actually more known as theacronym DCS.
Yeah, and look hownon-threatening that is, Sure.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I mean speaking of which.
I mean tell the audience thepercentage of people that train
at your gym that are actuallyfighters.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
So out there.
We have about, I'd say, 96, 97%of the people that come to the
gym just want to do this for fun, or not even for fun, more for
fitness.
So the number one reason peoplecome to the gym is fitness.
Yeah, you know they want to beactive.
Yeah, they want to.
You know, like you, everyoneknows that if that when you stay
active, you're, you're ahappier person, you get more

(40:20):
stuff done, like you'll have abetter life.
Yeah, the number two reason isself-defense and confidence.
And so you can learn and you'relearning a skill at the same
time.
And you got stress relief.
Yeah, like, whether, like forme, the way I look at it, like
you know how like stress reliefit is to hit some pads.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, there's nothing better.
Yeah, nothing better on theplanet.
Yeah, how often do you guys geta kid in there, or even a young
adult or whatever.
That's saying, I've beenbullied when I was young.

Speaker 5 (40:48):
You just say that it's like man, we get a few.
Yeah, it's sad you know, there'stimes, like there's times where
I have, like, parents ask me totalk to kids about them being
bullied in school.
Yeah, and like, the one thingthat I tell them is because the
kids know how, like you know,I've had some kids that been
training me for years and knowwhat how to defend themselves
but they don't know how to dealwith a bully.

(41:10):
No, so I tell them this this isthe most simple thing.
Some parents might disagree,but the thing is, is that what
is martial arts for self-defense?
Only If someone's hurting you,like you got to defend yourself.
Yeah, you know.
And then, at the end of the daytoo, sometimes, like they talk
about this, that bullies bullypeople.
That you know that they can.
Yeah, that's what bully is.
And once a bully knows thatthey can't bully you, they'll go

(41:33):
find it someone else that theycan.
So they got to show that, hey,you know what.
You can't bully me.
They need to get confidence andthat's what, like, even when I
took fighting, when I like I'llbe honest, when I started when I
was 13, like part of me, yeah,wanted to do this because, like
I was street fighting, like, hey, I need to get better at street
fighting.
But it that that mentalitydidn't last long?

(41:53):
Yeah, it got to a point whereit's like I was like hey, I know
how to fight, I don't need tofight.
Yeah, like I don't need to, I,I, I you know what I mean.
It's just, I'm confident enough, I know I can whip your ass,
sure that I don't need to do it.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
That's the other point I try to get across all
the time.
It's like you're not going totalk to a fighter or a coach or
a gym owner on the planet that'sgoing to say, hey, I get in
street fights every single day.
Yeah, like, okay, that's what Iwas when I was a kid.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
And, like you know, when you're a kid, you don't
know what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
No, I'm not talking about that, but I'm talking
about it as an adult, but as anadult, no yeah, I mean, you know
, and that's what I like peopleto understand too, it's like
it's not like Cliffs out solvinghis problem right now, when the
guy honks at him on the streetby punching him in the face, and
it's not like Diaz is like theguy cut him in the grocery line
and he automatically throws anelbow at him.

Speaker 5 (42:41):
So you think about it .
That just shows immaturity.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Well, I um off of what you said, ryan.
Self-defense, yeah, that's thename of the game being able to
defend yourself, because peoplebullies especially they don't
want to mess with someone whocan defend themselves.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, yeah, the thing I always try to speak to too is
cause, like, originally thispodcast was really a concept
around um, there's a really gooddocumentary called um bully,
and they follow this kid on thebus and he's a thin kid and you
know like, and it's not faireither.
Because he's a thin kid, he hasno confidence.
And um, they have a highschooler on the bus, big guy is

(43:18):
like my size, it looks like fromthe documentary and it's like,
even if this kind of tried todefend himself against him, I
don't think it's going to govery well.
And so there is a certainamount of kids out there that I
believe can defend themselvesright If they get some training
and you know things like that ormaybe.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
But even in a situation like that, it's more
about the confidence.
Yeah, you know, if he projectsthat, hey, you can't bully me.
Yeah, you know what Likesometimes in a situation
sometimes I'm not saying all thetime Sometimes that's well, hey
, I'm just going to leave thiskid alone.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I mean, maybe I'm wrong, because I usually direct
that kid towards the communitybecause it's like I don't know
if we can stop him.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
That's what the whole point is.
You bring him into a martialarts school where he's in a
community and he gains theconfidence from being around,
like hey, this is my friends.
Like we even, like you, canconsider your instructors your
friend.
Like for me, if any of my kidsget like bullied, like I treat
them, like like they're myfamily, like I'm mad, that would
be tough, you know what I mean.
Yeah, so knowing, just evenknowing that like even you think

(44:14):
about when you're a kid, like Iremember when I was a kid and I
knew I had backup, I don't care, even if you wanted to mess
with me, go ahead, I got back up.
Yeah, so, absolutely that'syour.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
that's a great point.
Yeah, got people in your corner.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
Yes, yeah, so it's like, hey, go ahead, try.
So.
That's why, like you say aboutthe community, sometimes that's
what they need.
Yeah, you know like, and thatall comes from going to a
martial arts school.
Yeah yeah, and then, hey, myinstructor is this guy, like you
know, that's sure you know whatI mean.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
You're right, because that builds more confidence.

Speaker 5 (44:46):
Even the, the person that we don't intuitively think,
can defend themselves very wellin that situation, and that's,
that's important, because that,like, maybe he can't defend
himself, but he has theconfidence, yeah, you know.
And then at least that way hehas a chance now.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, and you wonder sometimes how many times it
could be stopped With a veryconfident.
No, do that yeah like sort ofthing.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
No, yeah, like sometimes.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, it can't hurt.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Oh man, when, when you're going through a fight and
it's getting really, reallyhard, like because you talk
about that mental game that youplay sometimes and sometimes
it's like I want to quit or Iwant to tap what do you do to
push past that?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Like I said, like you .
Just you have to practice beingthere.
So there was, I'll never forget.
There's this one drill I do.
Well, I used to.
I can't do it no more becauseI'm old, but, like I, I call it
the treadmill drill and what youdo is you're on this on the
treadmill for one minute and yousprint as hard as you can in
that one minute and you're gonnagas yourself out.
Then, once that minute is done,you got to go hit some pads,

(45:50):
yeah.
So you got to find a way.
Like you, you can barely breathe, but that's what happens in a
fight, right, yeah, and you'redying.
That's like you know, and thatcould represent being hurt or
something.
But you know that you can pushthrough that.
So now, when you're in a fight,you're like, hey, I've been
here before, I can do this, likeI know what this feeling is
like, I can push through thisand I'm gonna be fine, yeah.

(46:13):
So that's what it is in a fight.
You just have to be putyourself in a situation like
that.
I Put it in a physical position, you know, like we talk about,
like some people, they get intomental positions like yo man,
like this is nothing, I had acat, have nowhere to sleep, like
I'm barely surviving.
I don't have money, I don't getfood on the table, like maybe

(46:33):
it's not that far, but it'ssomething like that.
We're like, hey, this isnothing, I can get through this.
Sure, like I've been way worseposition my mom, my parents got
killed, or like, you know, mybrother got shot in front of me,
kind of thing, I don't know.
Yeah, you know.
I mean like, hey, this isnothing compared to that.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, we had a guy on last season baseball player and
he started talking about DavidGoggins.
And I looked into David Gogginsafterwards and like I think one
thing that he does and I'veactually done this for years my
dad told me when I was a kidhe's like I was scared on that
roller coaster really young kidand he's like tell it to go
faster, you know.

(47:09):
And so it's like I thoughtabout that as an adult and you
know I do that all the time,especially like if I'm working
out or dealing with somethingtough, because then it's my idea
, right, yeah, it is my idea.
That little voice in my head ismy.
I'm telling him.
You know, I'm telling it more.
I wanted to hurt more you know,and I noticed that's what David
Goggins does.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
It's funny, that's when I was fighting.
I had that voice.
Yeah.
It was funny when, when Istarted getting it into my
career, was actually one of mycoaches told me hey, ryan,
that's where you know your timeis done is when that voice
changes now Like so what I usedto always tell people is like
when I got tired, yeah, I gotmad.
Oh, yeah, I get mad that I'mtired and I wanted to push
through it more.

(47:47):
Then that the end of the career, I started getting tired.
I'm like, okay, I'll take abreak for a second.
Then I was like, okay, that'swhat he meant.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Well, it was actually one of the most dangerous
things to me too, which is whymy back's broken.
You know it's because we usedto talk about mental toughness
all the time.
You know I'd go into the gymnot not feeling well or like
kind of broken and be like pushmental toughness.
You know like oh, you don'tfeel like doing it today.

Speaker 5 (48:10):
See, there's that little thin line now, like
especially now that now thatpeople are smarter and the
technology gone better and theResearch has gone better, like
when we were younger, we had topush through everything, yeah,
no matter what.
Oh, yeah, what you got a brokenarm?
Yeah, you got a few change,sure, yeah, no, that's not good
enough.
And then you think, as afighter, like no, you're right,
I got to push through this.
Yeah, so no one stopped us.

(48:30):
Yeah, but now it's like you gotto find that right point,
because now is it?
Is it helping or is it not?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
because, like because , if you're injured injured,
yeah, and you're pushing throughit You're gonna be worse off.

Speaker 5 (48:42):
Well, see, in man there's, that's why it's so it
right nowadays, like this isprobably a whole nother topic on
another Episode.
But the whole mental thing,because you know they talk about
people's mental wellness.
Yeah, you know, and especiallylike, even like I'm not saying
anything, but like you know, thetennis player, the American
women, a female tennis player,yeah, where she, she quit

(49:05):
because she was having mental, Iremember, yes, and then there's
two sides to it.
Yeah, we're like, yes, we haveto take gymnast right no it was
the tennis player the tennisplayer, I think the gymnast was
another one too, okay.
But you see, now it's startingto be like you know, like, okay,
well, it's becoming a morecommon thing where it's okay to
you know, I won't say quit, butlike, oh, they need a break

(49:26):
because they're having theirmental, their mental health,
yeah, but now.
But then then there's the otherside where it says hey, that's
why you are a champion, becauseyou are able to push through
that, that heart, that hardship.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Well, because everybody has that voice.
Yes, we all have that voice.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
So, that's why I say is like that's a whole, nother
episode altogether, because,like you know, there's the two
sides.
I'm not saying which side Ishould, that I believe but I'm
just saying that, like you knowwhat, what is right in that
situation?

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Sure, Well, and we've kind of given both angles of
like why working throughsomething can be good and why it
can be bad.
I mean, usually when you'reyounger, I think you're probably
better off defeating that voiceto some extent, you know,
because when you get older youknow you're good at defeating
that voice beyond where youprobably share.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Yeah, it's hard because, again, there's two ways
to look at it, right, becausewhat if you?
Then, if you don't push through, then when the next time it's
hard, again, what you're goingto quit.
That's exactly what I mean.
So that's one way to look at it.
But at the same time, now O, aor B you take a break and then
figure out what the problems isand try to figure out.
Okay, let me fix this.
So next time I'm there, I knowwhat I can do.

(50:31):
Like I don't know what's right.
So that's the thing is, I don'tknow.
Yeah, you know what I mean, youknow.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I always look at the coaching client relationship too
.
Yeah, you know, if you foundyourself your 13 year old self
coming to walk to you.
Well, now you have all thatexperience that you've gone
through to teach to this 13 yearold kid and help him through
his process.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Well, yes, that's.
The very important thing isthat we talked about that before
is you have to make sure youchoose the right people around
you, number one.
And then, once you've chosenthose people, you have to give
them your.
You have to trust them andbelieve in them that they know
what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
For me like.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
I never had good coaches when I was younger.
Yeah, like I never did, and Ibasically what I try to do is I
become the coach that I neverhad.
Yeah, you know and I'm not likeI'm, I'm pretty, I'm old school
, so I'm a little bit of thattough love kind of thing, yeah.
So sometimes some people don'tlike that, yeah, but I don't
like that's just I, just justhow I am.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
Yeah yeah, the people , the people who need you are
going to like it.
I loved it personally.

Speaker 5 (51:31):
Well, the funny thing is is that I put up this tough
exterior but I, like, I love tohelp, like I'm the nicest,
fairest person and I'm the mostcaring and person you can ever
think of.
Like, I'll do things.
I'm not the type of person thatyou know how sometimes people
do things and they want thewhole world to know that put on
Instagram oh, look what I did, Idonated this or I'm helping
this guy.
I don't do that.
Like, I'm the type of guy thatwill, that will help somebody,

(51:54):
and I don't want anyone to know.
Yeah, I'm the guy that willdonate money in an anonymous
name because I don't need to.
I don't want anyone to know thatI'm trying to do this for
publicity or anything.
Like even like we talk about,like what we do for our
community.
We hold anti bullying seminars,we hold women free women's self
defense courses and I rememberthis just happened on the last

(52:14):
one Some the news got wind of itand they want to do a story.
And I'm like I don't want youguys in here Because, number one
, I don't want people to thinkI'm doing this free seminar to
get publicity and, number two,there's women in here that are
coming here and they might havegone through something in their
life and they don't want to beseen here, you know.
So I don't, I don't need thepublicity for it.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
The first one.
I would give you a counterargument to the second one.
I absolutely agree with you,you know, but I would say that
if you're doing somethingamazing for the world, then and
it builds a system that you cando more amazing things for the
world then I think you got.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
No, no, you're right, because, like we just talked
about your friend there inCambodia, yeah, like he needs to
get publicity someone like him,you know and but then the thing
is that it's other people thatshould be doing it for him.
I agree.
Like for me, I'm just not thatguy.
That that's you know.
That's what I meant by that, isthat I'm not the one.
Hey, look at Tyler, look what Ido.
Yeah, you know, look what I do.
I'm doing this.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Well, like you know, you guys are really close
friends of me.
You're fine, right.
And you guys didn't know that Iwent to the children's home no,
for five years and volunteered.
And I went to the animalshelter and volunteered.
Nobody knew that I had agirlfriend, that thought I was
cheating.
Right, because, because that's,I'm getting getting one of your
same.
But here's the counter argumentto that and like one thing that

(53:31):
I've been mentally working onover the years, it's like what
the importance is.
It's like so is it better thatTyler went and he was humble and
did some work at the children'shome and helped out the little
bit that he could, or is itbetter that Tyler talked to
Cliff about it and then Cliffall of a sudden wanted to go
with me one day?

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Yeah, no, but see, that's different.
Yeah, Like if you're tellingyour friends, of course, but
like what I mean.
I'm more than yeah like socialmedia and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
This is such a good chat and this is why I think
it's so important, because I'vebeen thinking about this so much
.
We have Keanu Reeves out there.
He does amazing stuff.
He does a very low key, right,it's like.
But the thing is, if KeanuReeves right now decides he
wants to cure what, give mesomething cure hunger.
Yeah, Then guess what?

Speaker 5 (54:13):
A thousand five million, whatever people get on
board, you know, and so like Ijust want you to think about it
slightly different, but thenlike, why not somebody else do
it for him?
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
But they'd have to know.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
For them.
Yeah, no, no, I get it, becausehere's the major dilemma.
No, no, I get it, I get here'sthe major dilemma.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I trust me, even being on this podcast is tough
for me.
I know why we do it, but thesame reason, the same guy that
used to sneak off of thechildren's home is still in
there.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Right, you got to be and I always want to be that
humble guy and then thatactually helps the home more if
you bring the attention to it.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And I get that and what's important at the end of
this world.
So I was telling.
So I went over and visitedScott, who I mentioned on the
last episode.
Believe it or not, life like,I've been watching Scott for
years, personal hero.
Give you a little bit ofbackground on Scott really quick
, because it's very relevant.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
It's a great story.
I mean everyone should knowabout this story.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
And I said that in the last episode.
Nobody knows who Scott Neesonis and he's a guy that worked
his way up to President FoxStudios, was involved with all
these huge films like Titanicand everything, and worked his
way up from a high schooldropout to do that, sold his
mansion, sold his cars,everything and he's over right
now.
I met the man.
He is a wonderful human being.
I'm getting goosebumps talkingabout him because he's this much

(55:24):
better of a human being than Icould ever even hope for.
You know, and I told him thesame thing.
I asked him Scott is evil everhumble?
He said no.
I was like why is good alwayshumble?
You know, it's like and I'm notsaying it's easy for anybody
out there doing amazing stuff inthe world.
It's like I'm starting to getto the point where, yes, if you
give somebody on the streetcorner like a dollar, then maybe

(55:45):
that's not worth going onInstagram for right.
But let me finish.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
So you give a dollar on.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Instagram.
You probably don't need to talkabout that, but if you're
heavily involved with anorganization and your heart is
there, then I think you need totalk about it, because then you
get more people involved.
I came back from Africa onetime.
One of my close friends makes$8 million, $9 million a year.
It's public, I can't rememberhow much and he said, tyler, why
don't you ever tell me you'redoing this stuff?

(56:10):
I would love to help with it,and Tyler can make a good impact
, but so can his friend whomakes $8 million a year, looking
for something to donate to, andhis entire circle, right.
And so that's my point I justwant you to know that.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
No, no, no.
So there's two points to thatnow that I can say.
Number one, that comes to thepoint of the greater good, Like
what's?
Yes, now you're trying to nottell people because you don't
want people to think that you're, that you're doing this for
publicity, but if you do now,you can actually help them more.
So what's the greater good ofthose two?

(56:42):
Obviously that's an easy one,and if you're a person that well
not really, because if you arereally somebody that cares about
these kids or doing whateveryou're doing, you're going to do
whatever the greater good isfor these kids.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
So we'd all will say at that point humbleness is
selfish, in a way You're beingselfish, but then it's not about
being humble anymore.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
It's what's the greater good now?
I agree Of you being humble, ordo you want to help these kids?
I agree 100%.
What's more important?

Speaker 2 (57:06):
When you're laying your head down at the end of
this life.
What is more important?

Speaker 5 (57:09):
Yes, okay, so that's one argument.
Now the argument are theargument can go to the person,
the individual, because what'smore important to them?
Yeah, see, so then that's why,like man, we can talk about
stuff like this all day isbecause there's so many trains
of thought, but you can't tellsomebody to change their, their
beliefs or the person they are,just because, like yes, that is

(57:30):
greater good in our eyes andprobably most people's eyes, but
in their eyes they're like no,I just want to stay humble and
this is.
I can't do that, I just don'tsell.
That's where the argument goesnow.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
But that's why so like if you're said person in
that argument.
That's why I wanted to speak toyou about what I said.
Well yes, because I want you todouble think that and think
about the person that you are.
Because I can tell you rightnow there is people out there in
the world like, let's say,somebody that's making a course
you know about business and theyknow nothing about business and
they're making all this moneyaround this business course and
they're actually doing them adisservice because they're going

(58:03):
to spend all their money.
It's a scam, right, you know?
Like there is that person outthere in the world.
That person's not humble, he'shappy to take that money away
from people you know.
But then on the other side youhave somebody that maybe is
really good at business and youknow, out there and not not
boasting themselves up, you knowit's hard, that's.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
that's a hard argument, like the whole thing,
right?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
It was just made to make people think Well yeah, and
it's really at the end of theday, it's like it's all behind
the person.
Yeah, what's their objective?
Yeah, and what do they want?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Somebody like Scott in Cambodia.
I mean, if I could make him,make him, I would have him on TV
all the time because what he'sdoing is so important and he
needs anybody.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
Well, that's the thing now, like he has to think
what's his goal is?
To help these kids, yeah.
But then you see him.
He doesn't want to publicize itbecause he doesn't want to get
caught up in that wholeHollywood thing again.
No, he's a really humble guy,Well seeing, that's why see, now
you can't tell him to not behumble, because that's who he is
, you see.
but then that's why you can talkhim into why it's important
that you can understand that,but that's why he has people

(59:03):
like you who go help publicizeit now, do you know what I mean?
Yeah, and he's not stopping youfrom it.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I mean, you're giving me the proper, perfect
opportunity to plug our new docuseries which we just filled for
, you know.
But that's exactly what we do,People is like the reason.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
I like I know I'm here to talk about me this and
that, but you know what A guylike that needs publicity.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh yeah, I mean that's exactly what we do.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
I'm basically vouching for him that person is
helping like and he sacrificedeverything, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
He's changing the world, and that's what the
premise of that docu series isis showing people that there is
real heroes in the world we'recooking up to and then also
vouching for people, becausethey are humble people, right?

Speaker 5 (59:44):
So well, like that story.
You told me how he got into itall.
It just makes me really thinkabout life again.
Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
You want to tell everyone.
I mean we'll, we'll leave thatfor the actual show, but please
tune into the docu seriesbecause that story have how.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
what's his name again , sir Scott Neeson.
Scott Neeson got into helpingthese children in Cambodia.
Is insane, yeah, and it'll makeyou really think about life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Well, and what's crazy to me and I know we talked
about this a little bit beforethe show all people have to do,
and that's what this is right.
This is all people have to do.
I started realizing, if peoplewere using content out there,
that we're doing it for not sogood things.
To have a, how you know it'sokay to have a house, have a
fancy car, whatever you want inlife, right.
But you know, there's thingsthat are important too.
It's like give Scott a littlebit of attention.

(01:00:29):
That's all you have to do.
Our monetization in this planetthat's the biggest one is time
and attention.
These days, you don't even haveto give money anymore.
You just watch YouTube for aminute.
And then guess what?
If they have millions of hit ontheir YouTube channel now that
money goes to Scott and hischarity.
Right, and just take a littlebit more time.
I guess not to pick on theKardashians.
Take a little less time on theKardashians.
Watch Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
The world changes, it's true, but the world doesn't
work that way.
Sometimes, I know People wantentertainment and they want, you
know, things that are juicy andscandalous you know, all we can
do is try.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
No, I'll give you one million, the one thing, though,
that I will say that shows upconsistently.
The principle is that you'retalking about who are you
hanging around?
You got a perspective shiftbecause you hang up.
You hung around someone whogave you a perspective shift,
and then you're looking to sharethe perspective shift and you
have your own perspective shift,giving abilities, and I kind of

(01:01:26):
look at this world and say,like, be curious in life, why.
Why is Diaz thinking the wayhe's thinking?
Why is?
Tyler thinking the way he'sthinking?
Why is Cliff think the way hethinks?
Why do these kids think the waythat they think?
And Part of part of whatstopped me from even dealing
with bullies was my curiosity.

(01:01:47):
Yeah, hey, why are you pickingon me?
Yeah, which is an excellentmakes them actually think like
why am I picking on him?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yeah, it's such a good question.
I want to give Diaz a chance totalk about, by the way, such
insightful stuff.
I think it is really gonna helpyou.
I want to give you a chance totalk about what you're up to
these days like oh man, like I,I don't get a day off.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
Like I've been thinking about ever since.
Like we expanded the gym, likewe got a great story yeah, like
you know.
What's really hurtful, though,is that people look at me like
I'm a corporate now.
Yeah, they think, because Ihave these million dollar
facilities and that I'm like youknow, we're being so successful
that I'm the I'm like you know,whatever they call it the man

(01:02:33):
type thing, you know, and I'mnot.
Yeah, I'm still that kid thatgot bullied.
Yeah, I'm still.
Like we started my gym in mygarage.
Yeah, like I don't forget that.
Yeah, you know where.
I'm not this super rich guy,I'm just this guy who works
super hard.
Like, even when it comes to thegym, people always like think,
oh yeah, this, look at this guy.
He owns these two gyms and ordid all this.
You know, man, like you knowthat I live in a.

(01:02:56):
My place in Vancouver is justthis little condo, and I try to
explain this to people that Ihad an opportunity to buy a
house.
Yeah, and what I did was Ibought everyone a house.
Yeah, and that's the newfacilities, opposed to buying me
myself a house.
Yeah, you know, and sometimespeople forget that, like yo, I
don't know what they think youknow I don't try to drive nice

(01:03:18):
cars or anything like that.
I'm not like that.
Yeah but, you know, for somereason, people forget that I'm a
human being, yeah, and that youknow, hey, I got feelings too,
and then this and that.
But back to like, what I'm upto is like, yeah, like, we're
trying to keep everything going.
That's number one.
You know, I want to.
My whole goal was to have oneof the nicest and best gyms in

(01:03:39):
the entire world, yeah, you know.
And then the thing is is, whiledoing that, you're like I
didn't never taught how to dothis stuff.
Yeah, like, and so basically,I'm learning every day, sure,
and then, like, you know,there's it's funny because my
best friends, best friends withDana White and he and he told,
he told him a line that he hasto do every day, and you know

(01:04:01):
what that is is you have to putout fires every day.
Oh yeah sometimes they're smallfires, sometimes they're bigger
fires, but basically that's whatI have to do every day is put
out fires, yeah.
And then, at the same timeyou're putting out these fires,
you're trying to get ahead.
Yeah, you're trying to dosomething different in your life
or do something big.
Yeah, you know, we have this Onour staircase.
We have this saying.

(01:04:21):
It says we only have one life.
Why not do something big withit?
And and it's funny because Ireason I put that on there was
because when we were looking toget these, these, these new
facility the first one, not thesecond one the first one it was
expensive, yeah, it was millionsof dollars.
And I just I went through it inmy head.
I'm like there's no way thatthis is gonna happen.

(01:04:43):
Yeah, like this, I can't makethis happen.
So I went into a meeting andthen this was the guy that was
putting the whole deal togetherand I went there's gonna say no.
I was gonna say no, this can't.
I don't know how this is gonnawork.
And then he said something tome.
He said that line he goes Ryan,you know that we only have one
life.
Why not do something big withit?
And in that second, I'm likeokay, let's do this.

(01:05:04):
Yeah, like you gotta understandthat was a split second
decision, because I went thereto say no, yeah, and I switched
it to yes and now look where weare sure, so we're looking to do
that.
And then another thing that now,now that we've been in business
longer, there's a lot of peoplethat you know that want to
compete and want to fight, sothey like work.

(01:05:25):
It feels like I'm at fightsevery weekend, yeah, and then
obviously I'm one of the ownershere at the lab and we have tons
of fighters here and I'm tryingto help them as much as I
possibly can too.
So we're at fights all the time.
And then we're looking toexpand the lab too, you know,
and it's just like you just gotto ride.
Like the way I look at it isyou got to just ride the wave so
he can do, yeah, make decisionsin the moment, yeah and then

(01:05:47):
sometimes that's just like shootnow what I gotta do.
I gotta make a decision rightnow.
Right now, like and it's fun,yeah, and keep it to your.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
That's all business talk, but keep it to your
eventual, like lifelong strategy, right?
Well, yeah business longstrategy.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
But there's one thing like you got to have fun while
you're doing it, too Right, andthat's why it all comes down to
like having the people aroundyou, because if you have the
right people, you know one ofthe things that I was told when
I was a kid, and this guy saidit was one of my good friends.
And he said one of the bestlines I could have ever thought
of and I was only 19, 20 at thetime Because he helped me out a
lot and he and he didn't need to.

(01:06:22):
Yeah, you know he didn't.
He helped me with just littlethings.
Like, just helped me out.
You know, make some money.
And like you know, becauseobviously as a fighter you don't
make a lot of money.
Yeah, and then I asked him like,oh, why did you help me out so
much?
You didn't have to.
You know.
He said he goes, ryan, it'sonly at the top.
Why don't you bring yourbrothers and sisters with you?
And after that line, I've neverforgot about that.
So I always try to help peopleas much as I can, even though I

(01:06:45):
have a tough Exterior andsometimes people might think, oh
, yeah, that guy's not thenicest guy.
But like, really that's.
I don't forget those littleideologies and little things and
that always stuck with me.
Yeah, so when it comes to likewhat you're doing, you know you
have to have fun while you'redoing and you have these people,
like your brothers and sister,that you have around you, you
know, and then you do ittogether.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, and I mean I can, I canspeak for you firsthand that you
guys have done an incrediblejob with the MMA community and
with your.
You know, like, I think you'resuch a Type case for like what
an amazing MMA gym is, becauseit's a welcoming place, it's a
home place, I think, all thetime, even though, like, it's
harder for me to train becausemy body's broken these days.

(01:07:26):
It was the best decision I evermade.
One of them in my life waswalking in that gym.
I wouldn't be sitting here withyou guys right now.
You know I can't count thenumber of hours We've spent
together, not only the training.
You know like being good for mymental health.
You know physically, and youknow I still hit the bag every
day.
You know my body doesn't want togo in there and train with
these guys anymore.
But you know it's like.
So you make a lifelong Impact,even if it's not somebody's

(01:07:49):
career that they're well that'sthe thing is about, like,
martial arts.

Speaker 5 (01:07:52):
Like I tell, I try to explain this to parents.
One of the main reasons Iopened a gym up to was because I
think about, like, if I didn'thave martial arts in my life,
like where would I be?
I don't know.
So the thing was, I took it tothe farthest level, I went
fighting and became professional, yeah, but the thing is, is
that some, what kids can do withthis is that they can just take
the discipline, the hard, likethe ethics of hard work and

(01:08:13):
teamwork, and and and and takethat into whatever they go into
life.
That's why the martial arts isimportant, especially nowadays.
Yeah, like you know, they ourparents said this to us when we
were young because they're ohyeah, you should see what we've
been through and it's you guyschanging so much.
But I don't know how to saythis, but with the social media

(01:08:33):
and how fast technology went,it's changed way faster.
Yeah, like you know, we talkabout so many things like Kids
are on their iPads more thanever and they're disconnecting.
Like even I know I catch myselfat dinners with people and
we're all on our phones.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
You know that's such a good point.
So when they're in their gym,it's not exactly like they can
be on our iPad.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
No, and that's why they go back to being.
You know they're back to way,like, back to normal
interactions, but you knowthat's what I say now, but now,
in the future, maybe a normalinteraction is everyone going on
their VR thing and going to aclub, like I don't know, but
like there's not.
One thing I learned about COVIDyeah, when we were COVID and
everyone was shut down, you know, and gyms were getting shut

(01:09:16):
down and people can go tocertain places and can do
certain things, you know, theone thing that people miss the
most Was just social interaction.
Oh, definitely.
Oh, like we.
There was a time where we werelike people would like.
So there was a time at ourplace where we were only allowed
to do private lessons.
Yeah, so we can do classes.
We were doing private lessons.
People would just show up atthe door and talk to us for an

(01:09:38):
hour Because they just couldn't,didn't talk to them, went for
so long.
Yeah.
People are just happy to be outof the house and just be around
other people.
That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
I would say people shouldn't forget that, because
then, like we don't have to takefor granted that we're able to
go to the gym today, able to seefriends today.

Speaker 5 (01:09:54):
The thing is that's human.
It's human.
They take like if you're doingthe same thing every day, you
take it for granted, becauseit's just there all the time and
it's hard not to take thingsfor granted.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
I couldn't agree more .
Yep, oh, so good.
I'm glad you made time.
We've been trying to set thisup for a while, even last season
, you know, like I think thatyou said some things that are
incredibly helpful, you know,for the kids out there in the
community watching.
And yeah, I mean, check Diaz'sgyms out.
They have the lab here and thenthey have DS, context, dcs in

(01:10:30):
Vancouver To check out, and thenyou can see Diaz.
I see him on TV all the time.
Just watch a UFC fight andyou'll catch him in the corner.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Thank you, as always, my brother.
Yeah, definitely check Diaz out.
Marinate in this wisdom, hearthe stories again If you're
watching to the end.
Thank you for taking the timelike share comment.
Let us know what you're feeling.
And he had some major, majortakeaways that I do want to
share again.

(01:11:00):
He talks about belief systemsin yourself, belief systems of
the people you surround yourselfwith, and being ready to just
take the necessary actions, getthe experience.
And then he also talked aboutif you're looking to fight or
looking to get good, where youcan defend yourself shadow
boxing, hitting that boxing bagand what was the oh?

(01:11:21):
Watching YouTube videos,youtube videos.
Do those three things andremember there's greatness in
you, it's always gonna be in you, and you have a champion side
of you.
So, yeah, thank you, brother.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
He's talking about YouTube.
You guys are like you do?
We had VHS tapes.
Go buy them from somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Thanks everybody for tuning in episode one.
We have a great season thatwe're gonna do another eight
episodes on.
Please let us know if you wantto have somebody on.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
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