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Everybody, I'm your host, ianKing, aka Wine Wonderboy, and we
got my co-host with me, jazzy J.
Jazzy, hey, hey, hey hey, hey,hey.
How about?
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Welcome back to the pod, everybody.
Thank you for listening.
We got a few things that we'rerolling today.
So first, like we do, we'regoing to drink some wine and
we're gonna tell you all aboutit, and then we're gonna talk a
little bit about American wine,merkin, merkin.
Why Merka, merka American wine,and why you should be buying
(01:27):
more and more American wineexclusively these past couple
months.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's an interesting topic.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Time to start binging bitches.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Exactly.
And Jazz, what do you got forus?
You got something.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm gonna talk.
Now that we are coming to theend of pruning season, it's time
to educate you guys on whyyou're seeing these.
Well, really, I'm educating youon the pruning styles that we
know here, at least inWashington, and we'll talk a
little bit about that, whatwe're looking for, what it's
(02:02):
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So that's what we're gonna goin depth on as well.
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Yeah.
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You already have, like a new nickname a vineyard
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know oh like a segment.
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A segment, yes, I feel I get your, I get your, I
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I got it.
I got it.
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All right, let's start off.
What are we drinking?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We are drinking a dry re-sling.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Bone dry re-sling.
This is from Latteras Winery.
They are based in the MaltbyVault.
It's outside of Woodenville.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can I say I thought that was.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's where Two Vittners is as well.
Okay, that's why I reckon itthe Y-Makers Tyler great, great
dude.
I love him, but this is theirdry re-sling their 2020 dry
re-sling from Bakas Vineyard,white Bluffs 100% re-sling,
fermented, dry and stainlesssteel.
This is a re-sling unlike therest.
(05:46):
Chris Melon and Honey Notesdominate the aroma on this
unique white, and that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
No, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's true.
All right, it does have a lotof honey characteristic it is
bone dry people.
So people think re-sling issweet.
It's just not sweet.
This is bone dry, has a littlebit of the petrol, petrol diesel
aromatics.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But it's like right on quick, it's quick on the nose
.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I absolutely love that in re-sling Some of my
favorite things.
And on the palette let's seeHoneydew baby, honeydew Melon,
honeydew Melon.
Oh, it's got some floral notesin there too, like white flowers
.
Beautiful, beautiful wine.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It is dry.
You know, it's funny becauseactually today I had someone
come in and they were picking uptheir wine club allotment and
they were supposed to get are-sling but I was out of it and
so I was like, what would youlike to replace with it?
And they're thinking and likeyou know, I'm glad it's not like
I'm glad because I don't reallylike re-sling and she was at
(06:58):
all and she was tasting at thetime and I go, oh yeah, I can
understand that, Like you know,they got a bad rep Like I feel
like Barefoot and like thoselower brand.
Bulk wine Bulk wines havereally just ruined a re-sling
(07:22):
because they're always sweet.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They ruined a lot of things for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, sure, like chablis for one.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
White Zinfandel.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, oh God yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was a sin.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I couldn't even drink that now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That was an absolute sin.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But she's like, yeah, I don't like that.
And so I'm giving her tastingsand I looked at her and goes so
how do you like that?
She's like, oh, it's great, Igo.
Okay.
So that has 80% re-sling.
And she's like what, excuse me?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
How dare you?
Let me try something and openmy mind.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And I was like, yeah, it's crazy.
But yeah, I mean, I feel likebulk wine has really ruined, or
just given the idea of Reaslingsare only sweet or white and
synthantyl is only sweet and incollege loved them cheap biamin
(08:23):
magnums last me half an hour,but they did ruin the actual
grape itself.
I mean, a dry reasling does not.
Yeah, just kind of regular Areasling in general is not like
that.
I mean a lot of people thatlike you when you were tasting,
(08:45):
say, 20 merlows or whatever crabfrogs yeah.
I mean, it's always kind of thego to at the end of okay, let me
have some reasling to refreshin my palate.
And I feel like we've discussedthat before.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But yeah, reaslings.
Just people need to stop beingso scared of them.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, they're misunderstood.
They are misunderstood grapethat's how I feel sometimes.
I feel all the time isunderstood.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, literally .
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
All right, what else?
What's what Give me?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So something came to my attention.
If you guys listen to the ChrisHorn podcast episode, that's
number 12.
It was great.
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm glad to have probably one of our best.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I was so glad to have you all that we've interviewed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Really, I've just been on the sidelines.
You've done wonderful jobs onthe interviewing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Thank you, I try.
I'm trying to get better atinterviewing, yeah, so something
caught my attention onInstagram and so I follow the
link, and what I was going tosay about the Chris Horn podcast
episode was one thing that wetouched on was the kind of
(10:14):
recession or wine purchasingrecession right now that we're
going through yeah, and it'sreally worldwide, not just
United States, but I feel likeit takes it hits harder to the
US.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And that's because all of these brands are still
paying off their land.
They're still paying off theirloans, or babies.
We are babies.
We're not like France, italy,spain, all those.
They're inheriting the land andinheriting the business and it's
been in their family forgenerations and generations, and
that's why it's so inexpensiveto get a wine shop and whatnot.
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But American wineries arereally, really struggling more
than most.
And so what I saw on Instagramwas Patrick Cappiello.
He is a big influence or he wasa big influence in the New York
Somalia scene.
(11:14):
He is someone I've looked up toa lot throughout my wine
education.
He could go Google or YouTube,patrick Cappiello, and there are
some awesome, awesome littleYouTube things that they did
with another company.
I think it was like food andwine or something like that but
(11:39):
he's a great dude, amazing,amazing knowledge base and
amazing person.
And then he moved out toCalifornia, to Sonoma, and he
started his own wine brandcalled Montereo Sellers with a
winemaker called Pax Mall.
It does Pax wines.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I do want to say this almost follows the concept of
when we brought up the issues inFrance with the whole farming
and the government.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
With the protests.
Yeah, the protests in Bordeaux.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like this does kind of fall in the same line
as that.
So if you haven't listened tothat podcast, take a look out of
it.
Look at it.
And we released that winprobably a month ago.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
By the time you guys hear this,it'll be like two months.
It's number 11.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Number 11?
Yeah, number 11.
God, you have good memorysometimes.
Oh, I edit everything.
All edits are him.
I just am here to look good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I didn't have to agree to that, thanks.
I mean, we are in a recession.
This is a luxury item.
I mean you don't even thinkabout it that way, especially as
just an everyday consumer.
But wine is a luxury.
Being part of a wine club is aluxury.
Not the average Joe can affordto, or our average can't afford
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to be part of a wine club.
You know, even if it is $100every quarter or every three
months or whenever they releaseit, you know it varies depending
on winery, but sometimes $100,even though they are still
(13:30):
probably purchasing wine duringthat time.
I mean, like it's like a wineclub, it's like, oh, I can't
afford that, but in reality theyare still going out and buying
alcohol.
Yeah, but seriously, it'sbecoming a problem.
Yeah, even last year comparedto the year prior.
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As someone that lives in LakeShilan, that works in this
industry, even schedulingemployees like and you know that
takes a toll on money at theend of the day is do I bring in
two people?
Do I bring in five people?
Right, I think that's like thisyeah.
Yeah, now I have five peoplesitting here waiting for that
(14:17):
four o'clock rush, even thoughwe close at five because that's
when we get our rush.
But then there's no rush.
And now what?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean getting.
So getting to this article.
So Patrick Cappiello postedthis sub stack article on his
Instagram page and I followed itbecause it's wine news and it's
really important and I work ata winery and-.
And we are seeing this and weare seeing this, that there is a
struggle, and so American wine,it says.
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American wineries arestruggling right now.
We have a huge amount ofinventory and a huge decrease in
sales and you can help us.
We are asking you for one thingdrink our wines by our wines.
So Patrick Cappiello postedthis sub stack article on
Instagram.
I'll follow the link.
I will link this sub stackarticle in the show notes.
(15:09):
So go to the show notes, clickthe article and I encourage you
to read it.
I will go over it a little bittoday with you guys.
So what's happening is, whilethey're saying they're seeing
like a 20% decrease and when Iwas talking to Chris Horn, he
said about he's seen like a 4%decrease in the restaurant
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industry, and what I said on thein response to him I was like
it feels like 20.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And then it happens to be for wineries 20, which is
crazy, and so what's happeningis because I guess in general,
like if you have wholesale too,you know even that slows down is
even though they're not buyingat the winery.
Cause, yeah, I get like youdon't live here, it's hard to go
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to the winery, but then againright or even pay for shipping,
but then again, like you, couldgo to the stores and even
they're decreasing as well.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I'll quote Patrick Capiello on this article
right now.
He said, quote if we don'tshift the focus right now to
concentrate on drinking domesticwine and supporting domestic
producers, then producers willhave worked so hard to build
change on what we're doing hereand they're the ones that are
(16:31):
going to fail, and quote.
So what he's talking about is,with this wine recession, with
all these sales going down, theones that are going to fail are
going to be the boutique, highquality wineries that make
handcrafted wine.
The ones that will succeed aregoing to be bulk winemakers.
(16:53):
You know people like Gallo,people like constellation brands
, you know, like all thosepeople will be fine, the
revenues will be down, butthey're going to survive and
it's the smaller labels whichmany, many people adore and
prefer their wines over storebought.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, I mean it's definitely grocery store bought.
Yeah, it's definitely anexperience when you go to these
small wineries.
But also it goes to the conceptof shop local.
You know keeping your money inlocal businesses and you know,
you even see that, especiallywith Amazon, the amount of
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businesses that have had toclose because they can't be
supported by their friends andfamilies and neighbors is really
unfortunate, right, and youknow it goes into just not just
what, but this goes into thelittle people of boutique
clothing stores and stuff likethat, as you got to support your
(18:00):
local people.
I get Amazon is it's easy, it'sliterally swipe and it's there.
But at the same time, eventhough it might cost $10 more at
your neighbor's little business, it's.
(18:21):
It's worth it because that goesa long way, not only for their
business but within yourcommunity.
And I feel like a lot of peopledon't understand that because
they just love the concept of oh, I can go on Amazon and buy
whatever I want.
I mean, I've even boughtkombucha on there, Like you can
(18:42):
buy food and all this stuff.
That it you know it makes it tooeasy and it's probably cheaper,
which I get because it's abigger company.
It's a big corporation, theycan sell it for cheaper.
But again, stay local.
I mean, you really need to andhelp these smaller.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And if you're someone like me that loves variety in
their wine selection and yourlocal wineries don't have a lot
of variety, like not knockingour wine region, shaland, but,
like most wineries, have thesame great varieties that they
grow apart from a couple.
Right, I mean, you see it overand over and over again, but
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make sure like you can stillhave a variety of wine of great
varietals if you're worriedabout that, just by American,
because people like Patrick,kapp, yellow and Pax they
experiment with Truceau Noir,truceau Gree, he does Pequettes
Like they do a lot of stuff overthere, especially in Sonoma.
(19:49):
I see most of those lesserknown great varieties in Sonoma
and Santa Barbara so I see mostof those being grown there and
if you don't want to, you knowif you want a larger variety of
wines in your selection.
I understand that completely.
Just by just trying by Americanand what Patrick said.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There are fancy big names here.
It's not like there's not.
But just because it comes fromFrance doesn't mean you're that
bougie.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So they're not sure if this.
In the article they kind ofstated that they're not sure if
this is a change in generationalspending or not.
Because one thing I saw on aNew York Times article.
I just read a headline and Ididn't read the whole article,
but it said that the wineindustry is dying along with the
(20:45):
older generation.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It didn't say that verbatim.
I did read something aboutbecause of cannabis.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Because of weed, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well and I can see it Like a lot of people you know
they get stoned.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Weed is good with wine people.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Okay, settle down.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I do it all the time, not like a bottle, but like I
won't have multiple glasses.
You know, if I have weed thenI'll have like a glass, just
like alcohol it's, you know,moderation.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So you can't be binging on that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But like at the same time, more people feel like they
can drive.
Let's say they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No I am not, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm still unsignatured, but still don't do
that.
But you know what I mean.
I would rather have someonethat's high, going 10 under the
speed limit, than a drunk driver.
And yeah, I don't know, that'sa crazy thought and I am going
to get probably so much hatredon social media for that.
(21:56):
But you know, I would ratherand honestly like I make poor
decisions when I drink and whenI'm stoned I'm probably making
poor decisions with my fridge.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say like poor decisions
.
You know, I make terribledecisions when I'm high, but
it's usually in the context ofcalories.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And you know what?
I wrote a paper in collegeabout weed and how it should be
legal and all this stuff and howit's not just a it's not just a
open door to more drugs, Likethat whole idea, and I go, if
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anything, it's just the opendoor to my fridge.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean that whole thing came
from Nancy Reagan and it was awhole government.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Oh my God, it was just a government like
misinformation campaign.
Here we go, go down the rabbithole.
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I got that lecture from my parents.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And then I mean I didn't touch weed for the
longest time because of you knowwhat?
What they?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
said my God, next thing I know I'm doing heroin.
Like what yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And I grew up in Seattle so I saw a plenty of
homeless people growing up so Iwas like I don't want to be like
them.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, gosh, I went to the stair climb this past
weekend and I was hammered.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean let's?
I'll just say this Seattle isnowhere near what.
La is Okay With homeless people.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But it was okay, hold up.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I was, so I started my day off with mimosas because,
as a girl, should.
And then we're waiting foreverybody to chime.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Did you do the spray bottle?
Do you use the orange juice in?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
the spray bottle.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Spritz, your spritz your bubbles.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No because we had to, we had to make them in the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So we didn't have to get caught, remind you it's 8 am
Classy.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Remind you, it's 8 am .
So then we went to go getseltzers at this 7-eleven where
they were doing CPR on them.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So you're the reason why wine is in decline right now
.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Shut up, just kidding .
But then there was a guygetting CPR while I'm trying to
get my seltzers to go watchpeople climb the Columbia Tower
and I literally looked at thecash register person and was
like can I please take these outof the box so I don't get
jumped the moment that I go out?
He's like I understand, and weput him in like plastic cups so
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we weren't just out in public.
But then next thing I know I'mlike blacked out by two and I
was so drunk I went to thebathroom and I was like I need
to go on a walk.
Dumb ass me goes on a walk withno self-defense which was
surprising, because normally Ihave like a taser or something
(24:54):
on me went on a walk around theblock.
It wasn't like a far walk withjust hammered no defense, was
this?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
at night or in the day.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It was like 2pm.
Okay, all right, yeah, and I'min the middle of.
Seattle and walking the block.
Just everybody I passed wasprobably like this poor girl,
she probably just went through abreakup.
No, I did not break up with Samand obviously, and I get back
and the whole team was likewhere have you been?
(25:30):
I don't ever do that again.
We thought you got like rapedand like all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
This is also small town people going to a big city,
so there is a lot of thatinvolved too.
All the firefighters that yourfriends with that you went with,
are all small town firefighters.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And also there's.
I mean 2000 people went up, didthis stair climb and they all
go to the circle bar.
It's like an Irish pub downtown.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Seattle.
Is it in post alley no.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's by the ferry, though.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I went to one post-alliator on Patty's Day
last year.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Okay, okay so, but yeah, everybody shows up to this
bar and here I am juststumbling my ass around and I'm
like and Sam, just like, thisisn't the same as last year.
I'm like what, but yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What happened last year?
You said it wasn't the same aslast year.
That wasn't involved.
Oh, you weren't involved.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, actually it's the taste of Washington which is
this week, or well, I mean theweekend that we're recording
this.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It is this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It is this weekend Case.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Washington At some point.
We would love to have a booththere.
I don't know if they allowother people other than wineries
to go?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think they do.
Yeah, that would be cool for usto have a booth.
Well, they allow food.
Why can't I be on there?
I can eat and drink.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I would love to be.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I would love to be sick, it'd be fun for us to be
part of Yo Taste Washington Awine event like that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, it'd be cool.
Help us out, All right, butback to the point.
I mean okay, back to buyingsmall town wine is.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Just buy American wine.
It doesn't have to be small, Imean, but also support local.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
If you're in a small town, support local.
Yeah, no matter who it is,obviously support your wineries.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Basically, the idea is support support boutique
wineries, Ones that don't makelike I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What ones?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
that make less than 100,000 cases a year.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, or less than 10, less than 10,000 cases.
Yeah, I would say 10,000.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
10,000 of reasonable amount.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Walk in and be like how many cases do you make?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So for a cool exercise, let's you go first
Name off top five Washingtonwineries for people to buy.
In Chilean or in the state, oractually you know, let's just do
whatever US of fucking a, justlike the whole, the whole gambit
(28:16):
, top five.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So obviously I'm going to go with, like Baymorge
Island winery, eagle Harborwinery, because small town,
those are my people, that'swhere I came from.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Do you like their wine?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I do like their wine, okay, and I like them.
They're good people.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Because we're telling people to go buy their wines
right now.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, no, they're doing great things.
Especially if you're onBaymorge, I mean, it's
definitely like a destinationplace.
So I hope you visit, go supportthem, and I'm going to say I'll
say Vershalan, that gotstressful.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's like in the whole US Whole.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
US.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Whole US.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But then I think of like, Napa and like skip Napa,
they're fine.
They got a lot of money.
I skip Napa and like any.
Oh, janine, it's from Matthews.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Jane.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Jane.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
They're fucking awesome.
Love that Love.
Jane, oh my God, they'rethey're, they're recently, are
fucking good too.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, and the place in Woodenville oh, so cute, it's
awesome.
I really liked.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And they only do white wines and rosés which is
an awesome business modelTotally.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And they do a really good job it was honestly one of
the only wine clubs that Iconsider joining.
And honestly, now that we'retalking about it, I might still
go join them.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I feel like white wine is that much.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, I never have them and I, every time I go to a
winery, for some reason, Ialways buy reds and I always
tell myself you don't need anymore reds and I usually buy reds
because my my person.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
She all she drinks is red wine.
She doesn't drink.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
See, okay, that makes sense, we're like I.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
It's mostly all reds, but if I, if I buy a white wine
, it's for me.
I know that in my friendswhatever.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah so, but I need to buy more whites, Even though.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I've been trying to get her on the white wine trying
to use, not on it, so I'm likewhatever.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, um, I love, love, love them.
Um, I also really like Lada.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So Bainbridge.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Eagle Harbor Lada.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Eagle Harbor is that's what their name is.
Eagle Harbor, lada, lada, jane,jane.
And then I'll throw in Lada isin Soto.
Soto, yes, they're doing greatthings and really I meant to go
hang out with them when I was inSoto when I was doing the Chris
Horn podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But I never got a chance.
Honestly, everybody in Soto iswonderful.
I love slay the hands, I loveroti, I love cartes.
Um, all of them are great, yeah.
And then what else do I?
Who else do I really?
I mean, you know, cardis is upthere, yeah, we're big
(31:18):
supporters of Cardis on the pod.
Yeah, Amos Rome is up there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They do a wonderful job.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Especially if you like white wines and bubbles,
they're really good.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So good, yeah, they're white Pinot Noir.
Talking about that with acustomer today and it's really
good.
It's unique.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Not a lot of people do that.
It's pretty unique.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's so unique, it's so wonderful, it's one that I
buy like a case of, yeah, and Ilove it Big fan.
But again we're going down thatwhite path and honestly, you've
been on a white wine trainlately.
I have been on a white.
Honestly, I think it's theweather.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, it's, weather's changing to warmer right now.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's warmer, even light reds.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I'm on a big, I'll drink any wine, any day of the
year.
But, yeah, usually in thewintertime I go to, but I'm
noticing myself, go into thewhite rosé and light red.
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like that's just, I'm noticing.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And Okay, so you named off a bunch, so I can't
choose the ones that you namedoff.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Because I agree with you, except for the first one,
because I don't know who theyare.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I've never.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I've never tasted their wines, so I can't agree on
that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I've never had them.
That's the only reason I've hadall the other ones and they're
awesome.
So you said what's it calledEagle Harbor?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Eagle Harbor.
Eagle Harbor, bainbridge,bainbridge Island winery.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Is that the same thing as Eagle Harbor?
Nope, okay, so they'redifferent.
Where's Eagle Harbor?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
On Bainbridge.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
On Bainbridge, and then there's also Bainbridge
winery, bainbridge Island winery, so I haven't had those two.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
There's a couple on Bainbridge.
Okay, yes.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So one year for my birthday, I, my parents, got me
a golf cart and they drove me toall the wineries on the island.
I don't know why it was a golfcart, because that was probably
super illegal, but because it'sstill a pretty big island it
depends I mean it's still.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I mean Orange County has Balboa Island.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, it's still.
It's a quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
it's not like Bainbridge size, but Well, let's
just say, by the end of thenight I was hammered, and then I
wanted to have a onesie partybecause that sounds fun, and I
was a unicorn the rest of thenight.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Nice, so it's Eagle Harbor, Bainbridge winery, Lada
Cartus.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We'll say Amos Rome.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Amos Rome.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I can't pick those ones.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I can't pick those .
So I'm going to dip in a littlebit to California, because
that's kind of where mywinemaking roots are.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's your stomping grounds.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I would recommend, if you like, sera a lot Jaffers.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh God, see these are the ones.
I haven't been to.
Oh, I guess I have been toWalla Walla too.
I always forget, like GooseRidge.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So I'll pick two from California.
Last three will be Washington.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
See, this is such a terrible question for me, but
I'm like it's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's like top five that are live for hip hop
rappers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I also feel like you've gone to a lot more
wineries than I have.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You have that's true, I have gone to a lot more than
you have.
I don't so much.
That's fine, that's fine.
So my top five is going to beJaffers Go to do.
You have to go there, Buy theirwines.
Anywhere you see them buy theirwines, and then Carhartt Family
Wines.
Obviously you got to go.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You got to go.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You've got to go.
You've had a bottle of theirs.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I bought it to you and two Vintners.
I forgot about them.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Bro, let me get down with my list.
Damn, you got you got to go to.
She's just like naming off mylist right now.
Go to Latteris they're thebottle of the day for the
podcast today.
Go to Latteris and Maltbevault.
Buy their wines.
(35:21):
They're fucking awesome.
Go to two Vintners they'reright across the parking lot
from them.
They're awesome as well.
We've had them, or their wines,on the podcast, not them on the
podcast yet, although I'mhoping soon.
And then I'm going to say, oh,this is so hard for me, this is
(35:42):
difficult.
Oh my God, there's so many.
This is why it's so hard for me.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I know you said that and I was like, oh, I like this
one, I like that though.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean definitely the walls.
The walls is amazing, I lovethem.
I also love Grammarcy, but Ihave to pick, so I'll say the
walls over Grammarcy and thenthe last guy.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Wait.
So how many have you had yet?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I've had four.
So Jaffers, carhartt, twoVintners, the walls, oh shit, no
, I'm at five already.
I was going to say Damn.
So I'm going to pick Carhartt,latteras, two Vintners, the
walls.
Those are my top five that youshould buy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, there's 10 right there, people, and we
spread out our range there.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So we did, we namedropped a bunch too.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes, so go support them.
It's a big topic, it needs tobe, and it doesn't hurt.
Go support all them.
Go wine tasting, even if it'sone winery.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Exactly so.
We should switch topics becausewe're running out of time, so
let's switch topics to what yougot going on.
This will be a longer episode,which is fine.
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Or do we want to roll it over to?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Patreon.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Patreon.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We keep on doing this , we sneak I know.
But you know what we sneak thetopics in the beginning that
we're going to be talking about,and then we run out of time and
we go to Patreon.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
So you know what?
Go to Patreon and purchase baby.
Yeah, Support us so we can getmore on, or also what you can do
.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
what we started doing was chill out.
That's fucking up, though.
What you can also do if youdon't want to pay for Patreon
and the reason is because youlistened to it on Spotify or
Apple Music.
We are releasing those episodesfor a subscriber only on both
(37:46):
Spotify, apple Music and GooglePodcast, so you can subscribe
for a little less than a Patreonto get an extra episode a week.
So go to, you know, click thelink in the show notes.
We're going to have it there soyou can subscribe to those and
get your extra episode as well.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But also if you can afford $5, we would love it.
It helps us yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I mean what you can do with a subscriber.
With a subscriber, one is it is, the base is like $3, but you
can pick whatever payment thatyou want.
I mean you know so five wouldbe amazing $5 really goes a long
way for someone.
That's what I would ask $5.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
$5.
You don't need to be $20 at ourtop one.
You don't need to be part ofthe OG crew, yeah, but like you
can help us out, like if you'reenjoying these podcasts, like
not to be like a snobby littlebitch, but you know we work hard
, we're trying.
Yeah, we're a small business.
(38:51):
We are a small business Tryingto just make it bitches.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
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Speaker 2 (38:58):
Thank you guys.
See you on Patreon.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Love you.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
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Everybody, I'm your host, ianKing, aka Wine Wonderboy, and we
got my co-host with me, jazzy J.
Jazzy, hey, hey, hey hey, hey,hey.
How about?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
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Welcome back to the pod, everybody.
Thank you for listening.
We got a few things that we'rerolling today.
So first, like we do, we'regoing to drink some wine and
we're gonna tell you all aboutit, and then we're gonna talk a
little bit about American wine,merkin, merkin.
Why Merka, merka American wine,and why you should be buying
(01:27):
more and more American wineexclusively these past couple
months.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It's an interesting topic.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Time to start binging bitches.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Exactly.
And Jazz, what do you got forus?
You got something.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I'm gonna talk.
Now that we are coming to theend of pruning season, it's time
to educate you guys on whyyou're seeing these.
Well, really, I'm educating youon the pruning styles that we
know here, at least inWashington, and we'll talk a
little bit about that, whatwe're looking for, what it's
(02:02):
called, all that good stuff.
So that's what we're gonna goin depth on as well.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Sweet and nerdy.
Nerdy out on Vedic culture overhere.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
We need like a little name for when I go into my
vineyard lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah.
Yeah Well you got a nicknamefor you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You already have, like a new nickname a vineyard
nickname, no, but like all right, we're going into the I don't
know oh like a segment.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
A segment, yes, I feel I get your, I get your, I
got it.
I got it.
I got it.
A segment Vedic culture segment.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Vedic culture segment with Jazz.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
But like that doesn't , like slow.
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No, we gotta think about it more.
Yeah, We'll get something there, yeah.
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We'll get something.
So this nice long arm.
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You're gonna say something else.
This nice long dot dot dot wehave for those of you listening
that don't know what the fuck isgoing on right now.
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Oh, right yeah.
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We have listeners here, mostly listeners.
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Mostly listeners, yeah, so this is really awkward
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Super awkward, sorry guys.
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It's been a minute.
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What'd you call this tan?
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Beige yeah, Beige hoodie, Beige food whatever you
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Yeah, these little profile, micstands, dude so nice they're
really nice, changes everything.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Literally.
All right, let's start off.
What are we drinking?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
We are drinking a dry re-sling.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Bone dry re-sling.
This is from Latteras Winery.
They are based in the MaltbyVault.
It's outside of Woodenville.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Can I say I thought that was.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
That's where Two Vittners is as well.
Okay, that's why I reckon itthe Y-Makers Tyler great, great
dude.
I love him, but this is theirdry re-sling their 2020 dry
re-sling from Bakas Vineyard,white Bluffs 100% re-sling,
fermented, dry and stainlesssteel.
This is a re-sling unlike therest.
(05:46):
Chris Melon and Honey Notesdominate the aroma on this
unique white, and that's true.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
No, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
That's true.
All right, it does have a lotof honey characteristic it is
bone dry people.
So people think re-sling issweet.
It's just not sweet.
This is bone dry, has a littlebit of the petrol, petrol diesel
aromatics.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
But it's like right on quick, it's quick on the nose
.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I absolutely love that in re-sling Some of my
favorite things.
And on the palette let's seeHoneydew baby, honeydew Melon,
honeydew Melon.
Oh, it's got some floral notesin there too, like white flowers
.
Beautiful, beautiful wine.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I love this.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
It is dry.
You know, it's funny becauseactually today I had someone
come in and they were picking uptheir wine club allotment and
they were supposed to get are-sling but I was out of it and
so I was like, what would youlike to replace with it?
And they're thinking and likeyou know, I'm glad it's not like
I'm glad because I don't reallylike re-sling and she was at
(06:58):
all and she was tasting at thetime and I go, oh yeah, I can
understand that, Like you know,they got a bad rep Like I feel
like Barefoot and like thoselower brand.
Bulk wine Bulk wines havereally just ruined a re-sling
(07:22):
because they're always sweet.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
They ruined a lot of things for a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, sure, like chablis for one.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
White Zinfandel.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, oh God yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
That was a sin.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I couldn't even drink that now.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
That was an absolute sin.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
But she's like, yeah, I don't like that.
And so I'm giving her tastingsand I looked at her and goes so
how do you like that?
She's like, oh, it's great, Igo.
Okay.
So that has 80% re-sling.
And she's like what, excuse me?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
How dare you?
Let me try something and openmy mind.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And I was like, yeah, it's crazy.
But yeah, I mean, I feel likebulk wine has really ruined, or
just given the idea of Reaslingsare only sweet or white and
synthantyl is only sweet and incollege loved them cheap biamin
(08:23):
magnums last me half an hour,but they did ruin the actual
grape itself.
I mean, a dry reasling does not.
Yeah, just kind of regular Areasling in general is not like
that.
I mean a lot of people thatlike you when you were tasting,
(08:45):
say, 20 merlows or whatever crabfrogs yeah.
I mean, it's always kind of thego to at the end of okay, let me
have some reasling to refreshin my palate.
And I feel like we've discussedthat before.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But yeah, reaslings.
Just people need to stop beingso scared of them.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, they're misunderstood.
They are misunderstood grapethat's how I feel sometimes.
I feel all the time isunderstood.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, literally .
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Literally.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
All right, what else?
What's what Give me?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So something came to my attention.
If you guys listen to the ChrisHorn podcast episode, that's
number 12.
It was great.
It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I'm glad to have probably one of our best.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I would say so.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I was so glad to have you all that we've interviewed.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Really, I've just been on the sidelines.
You've done wonderful jobs onthe interviewing.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Thank you, I try.
I'm trying to get better atinterviewing, yeah, so something
caught my attention onInstagram and so I follow the
link, and what I was going tosay about the Chris Horn podcast
episode was one thing that wetouched on was the kind of
(10:14):
recession or wine purchasingrecession right now that we're
going through yeah, and it'sreally worldwide, not just
United States, but I feel likeit takes it hits harder to the
US.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And that's because all of these brands are still
paying off their land.
They're still paying off theirloans, or babies.
We are babies.
We're not like France, italy,spain, all those.
They're inheriting the land andinheriting the business and it's
been in their family forgenerations and generations, and
that's why it's so inexpensiveto get a wine shop and whatnot.
(10:54):
But American wineries arereally, really struggling more
than most.
And so what I saw on Instagramwas Patrick Cappiello.
He is a big influence or he wasa big influence in the New York
Somalia scene.
(11:14):
He is someone I've looked up toa lot throughout my wine
education.
He could go Google or YouTube,patrick Cappiello, and there are
some awesome, awesome littleYouTube things that they did
with another company.
I think it was like food andwine or something like that but
(11:39):
he's a great dude, amazing,amazing knowledge base and
amazing person.
And then he moved out toCalifornia, to Sonoma, and he
started his own wine brandcalled Montereo Sellers with a
winemaker called Pax Mall.
It does Pax wines.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I do want to say this almost follows the concept of
when we brought up the issues inFrance with the whole farming
and the government.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
With the protests.
Yeah, the protests in Bordeaux.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I feel like this does kind of fall in the same line
as that.
So if you haven't listened tothat podcast, take a look out of
it.
Look at it.
And we released that winprobably a month ago.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah.
By the time you guys hear this,it'll be like two months.
It's number 11.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Number 11?
Yeah, number 11.
God, you have good memorysometimes.
Oh, I edit everything.
All edits are him.
I just am here to look good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I didn't have to agree to that, thanks.
I mean, we are in a recession.
This is a luxury item.
I mean you don't even thinkabout it that way, especially as
just an everyday consumer.
But wine is a luxury.
Being part of a wine club is aluxury.
Not the average Joe can affordto, or our average can't afford
(13:10):
to be part of a wine club.
You know, even if it is $100every quarter or every three
months or whenever they releaseit, you know it varies depending
on winery, but sometimes $100,even though they are still
(13:30):
probably purchasing wine duringthat time.
I mean, like it's like a wineclub, it's like, oh, I can't
afford that, but in reality theyare still going out and buying
alcohol.
Yeah, but seriously, it'sbecoming a problem.
Yeah, even last year comparedto the year prior.
(13:55):
As someone that lives in LakeShilan, that works in this
industry, even schedulingemployees like and you know that
takes a toll on money at theend of the day is do I bring in
two people?
Do I bring in five people?
Right, I think that's like thisyeah.
Yeah, now I have five peoplesitting here waiting for that
(14:17):
four o'clock rush, even thoughwe close at five because that's
when we get our rush.
But then there's no rush.
And now what?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean getting.
So getting to this article.
So Patrick Cappiello postedthis sub stack article on his
Instagram page and I followed itbecause it's wine news and it's
really important and I work ata winery and-.
And we are seeing this and weare seeing this, that there is a
struggle, and so American wine,it says.
(14:46):
American wineries arestruggling right now.
We have a huge amount ofinventory and a huge decrease in
sales and you can help us.
We are asking you for one thingdrink our wines by our wines.
So Patrick Cappiello postedthis sub stack article on
Instagram.
I'll follow the link.
I will link this sub stackarticle in the show notes.
(15:09):
So go to the show notes, clickthe article and I encourage you
to read it.
I will go over it a little bittoday with you guys.
So what's happening is, whilethey're saying they're seeing
like a 20% decrease and when Iwas talking to Chris Horn, he
said about he's seen like a 4%decrease in the restaurant
(15:32):
industry, and what I said on thein response to him I was like
it feels like 20.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And then it happens to be for wineries 20, which is
crazy, and so what's happeningis because I guess in general,
like if you have wholesale too,you know even that slows down is
even though they're not buyingat the winery.
Cause, yeah, I get like youdon't live here, it's hard to go
(15:59):
to the winery, but then againright or even pay for shipping,
but then again, like you, couldgo to the stores and even
they're decreasing as well.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And then I'll quote Patrick Capiello on this article
right now.
He said, quote if we don'tshift the focus right now to
concentrate on drinking domesticwine and supporting domestic
producers, then producers willhave worked so hard to build
change on what we're doing hereand they're the ones that are
(16:31):
going to fail, and quote.
So what he's talking about is,with this wine recession, with
all these sales going down, theones that are going to fail are
going to be the boutique, highquality wineries that make
handcrafted wine.
The ones that will succeed aregoing to be bulk winemakers.
(16:53):
You know people like Gallo,people like constellation brands
, you know, like all thosepeople will be fine, the
revenues will be down, butthey're going to survive and
it's the smaller labels whichmany, many people adore and
prefer their wines over storebought.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yes, I mean it's definitely grocery store bought.
Yeah, it's definitely anexperience when you go to these
small wineries.
But also it goes to the conceptof shop local.
You know keeping your money inlocal businesses and you know,
you even see that, especiallywith Amazon, the amount of
(17:37):
businesses that have had toclose because they can't be
supported by their friends andfamilies and neighbors is really
unfortunate, right, and youknow it goes into just not just
what, but this goes into thelittle people of boutique
clothing stores and stuff likethat, as you got to support your
(18:00):
local people.
I get Amazon is it's easy, it'sliterally swipe and it's there.
But at the same time, eventhough it might cost $10 more at
your neighbor's little business, it's.
(18:21):
It's worth it because that goesa long way, not only for their
business but within yourcommunity.
And I feel like a lot of peopledon't understand that because
they just love the concept of oh, I can go on Amazon and buy
whatever I want.
I mean, I've even boughtkombucha on there, Like you can
(18:42):
buy food and all this stuff.
That it you know it makes it tooeasy and it's probably cheaper,
which I get because it's abigger company.
It's a big corporation, theycan sell it for cheaper.
But again, stay local.
I mean, you really need to andhelp these smaller.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And if you're someone like me that loves variety in
their wine selection and yourlocal wineries don't have a lot
of variety, like not knockingour wine region, shaland, but,
like most wineries, have thesame great varieties that they
grow apart from a couple.
Right, I mean, you see it overand over and over again, but
(19:28):
make sure like you can stillhave a variety of wine of great
varietals if you're worriedabout that, just by American,
because people like Patrick,kapp, yellow and Pax they
experiment with Truceau Noir,truceau Gree, he does Pequettes
Like they do a lot of stuff overthere, especially in Sonoma.
(19:49):
I see most of those lesserknown great varieties in Sonoma
and Santa Barbara so I see mostof those being grown there and
if you don't want to, you knowif you want a larger variety of
wines in your selection.
I understand that completely.
Just by just trying by Americanand what Patrick said.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
There are fancy big names here.
It's not like there's not.
But just because it comes fromFrance doesn't mean you're that
bougie.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
So they're not sure if this.
In the article they kind ofstated that they're not sure if
this is a change in generationalspending or not.
Because one thing I saw on aNew York Times article.
I just read a headline and Ididn't read the whole article,
but it said that the wineindustry is dying along with the
(20:45):
older generation.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It didn't say that verbatim.
I did read something aboutbecause of cannabis.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Because of weed, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well and I can see it Like a lot of people you know
they get stoned.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Weed is good with wine people.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Okay, settle down.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I do it all the time, not like a bottle, but like I
won't have multiple glasses.
You know, if I have weed thenI'll have like a glass, just
like alcohol it's, you know,moderation.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
So you can't be binging on that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
But like at the same time, more people feel like they
can drive.
Let's say they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No I am not, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I'm still unsignatured, but still don't do
that.
But you know what I mean.
I would rather have someonethat's high, going 10 under the
speed limit, than a drunk driver.
And yeah, I don't know, that'sa crazy thought and I am going
to get probably so much hatredon social media for that.
(21:56):
But you know, I would ratherand honestly like I make poor
decisions when I drink and whenI'm stoned I'm probably making
poor decisions with my fridge.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say like poor decisions
.
You know, I make terribledecisions when I'm high, but
it's usually in the context ofcalories.
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And you know what?
I wrote a paper in collegeabout weed and how it should be
legal and all this stuff and howit's not just a it's not just a
open door to more drugs, Likethat whole idea, and I go, if
(22:44):
anything, it's just the opendoor to my fridge.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean that whole thing came
from Nancy Reagan and it was awhole government.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Oh my God, it was just a government like
misinformation campaign.
Here we go, go down the rabbithole.
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I got that lecture from my parents.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Oh, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And then I mean I didn't touch weed for the
longest time because of you knowwhat?
What they?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
said my God, next thing I know I'm doing heroin.
Like what yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And I grew up in Seattle so I saw a plenty of
homeless people growing up so Iwas like I don't want to be like
them.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, gosh, I went to the stair climb this past
weekend and I was hammered.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
I mean let's?
I'll just say this Seattle isnowhere near what.
La is Okay With homeless people.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But it was okay, hold up.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Nowhere near.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I was, so I started my day off with mimosas because,
as a girl, should.
And then we're waiting foreverybody to chime.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Did you do the spray bottle?
Do you use the orange juice in?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
the spray bottle.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Spritz, your spritz your bubbles.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No because we had to, we had to make them in the
bathroom.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
So we didn't have to get caught, remind you it's 8 am
Classy.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Remind you, it's 8 am .
So then we went to go getseltzers at this 7-eleven where
they were doing CPR on them.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So you're the reason why wine is in decline right now
.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Shut up, just kidding .
But then there was a guygetting CPR while I'm trying to
get my seltzers to go watchpeople climb the Columbia Tower
and I literally looked at thecash register person and was
like can I please take these outof the box so I don't get
jumped the moment that I go out?
He's like I understand, and weput him in like plastic cups so
(24:33):
we weren't just out in public.
But then next thing I know I'mlike blacked out by two and I
was so drunk I went to thebathroom and I was like I need
to go on a walk.
Dumb ass me goes on a walk withno self-defense which was
surprising, because normally Ihave like a taser or something
(24:54):
on me went on a walk around theblock.
It wasn't like a far walk withjust hammered no defense, was
this?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
at night or in the day.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It was like 2pm.
Okay, all right, yeah, and I'min the middle of.
Seattle and walking the block.
Just everybody I passed wasprobably like this poor girl,
she probably just went through abreakup.
No, I did not break up with Samand obviously, and I get back
and the whole team was likewhere have you been?
(25:30):
I don't ever do that again.
We thought you got like rapedand like all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
This is also small town people going to a big city,
so there is a lot of thatinvolved too.
All the firefighters that yourfriends with that you went with,
are all small town firefighters.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
And also there's.
I mean 2000 people went up, didthis stair climb and they all
go to the circle bar.
It's like an Irish pub downtown.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Seattle.
Is it in post alley no.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's by the ferry, though.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
I went to one post-alliator on Patty's Day
last year.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Okay, okay so, but yeah, everybody shows up to this
bar and here I am juststumbling my ass around and I'm
like and Sam, just like, thisisn't the same as last year.
I'm like what, but yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
What happened last year?
You said it wasn't the same aslast year.
That wasn't involved.
Oh, you weren't involved.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, actually it's the taste of Washington which is
this week, or well, I mean theweekend that we're recording
this.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It is this weekend.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It is this weekend Case.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Washington At some point.
We would love to have a booththere.
I don't know if they allowother people other than wineries
to go?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I think they do.
Yeah, that would be cool for usto have a booth.
Well, they allow food.
Why can't I be on there?
I can eat and drink.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Right, right.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I would love to be.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I would love to be sick, it'd be fun for us to be
part of Yo Taste Washington Awine event like that.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, it'd be cool.
Help us out, All right, butback to the point.
I mean okay, back to buyingsmall town wine is.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Just buy American wine.
It doesn't have to be small, Imean, but also support local.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
If you're in a small town, support local.
Yeah, no matter who it is,obviously support your wineries.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Basically, the idea is support support boutique
wineries, Ones that don't makelike I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
What ones?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
that make less than 100,000 cases a year.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yes, or less than 10, less than 10,000 cases.
Yeah, I would say 10,000.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
10,000 of reasonable amount.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Walk in and be like how many cases do you make?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
All right, I got you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So for a cool exercise, let's you go first
Name off top five Washingtonwineries for people to buy.
In Chilean or in the state, oractually you know, let's just do
whatever US of fucking a, justlike the whole, the whole gambit
(28:16):
, top five.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
So obviously I'm going to go with, like Baymorge
Island winery, eagle Harborwinery, because small town,
those are my people, that'swhere I came from.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Do you like their wine?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
I do like their wine, okay, and I like them.
They're good people.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Because we're telling people to go buy their wines
right now.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, no, they're doing great things.
Especially if you're onBaymorge, I mean, it's
definitely like a destinationplace.
So I hope you visit, go supportthem, and I'm going to say I'll
say Vershalan, that gotstressful.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
It's like in the whole US Whole.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
US.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Whole US.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
But then I think of like, Napa and like skip Napa,
they're fine.
They got a lot of money.
I skip Napa and like any.
Oh, janine, it's from Matthews.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Jane.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Jane.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
They're fucking awesome.
Love that Love.
Jane, oh my God, they'rethey're, they're recently, are
fucking good too.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, and the place in Woodenville oh, so cute, it's
awesome.
I really liked.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
And they only do white wines and rosés which is
an awesome business modelTotally.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And they do a really good job it was honestly one of
the only wine clubs that Iconsider joining.
And honestly, now that we'retalking about it, I might still
go join them.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Yeah, I feel like white wine is that much.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well, I never have them and I, every time I go to a
winery, for some reason, Ialways buy reds and I always
tell myself you don't need anymore reds and I usually buy reds
because my my person.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
She all she drinks is red wine.
She doesn't drink.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
See, okay, that makes sense, we're like I.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
It's mostly all reds, but if I, if I buy a white wine
, it's for me.
I know that in my friendswhatever.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah so, but I need to buy more whites, Even though.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I've been trying to get her on the white wine trying
to use, not on it, so I'm likewhatever.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, um, I love, love, love them.
Um, I also really like Lada.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So Bainbridge.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Eagle Harbor Lada.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Eagle Harbor is that's what their name is.
Eagle Harbor, lada, lada, jane,jane.
And then I'll throw in Lada isin Soto.
Soto, yes, they're doing greatthings and really I meant to go
hang out with them when I was inSoto when I was doing the Chris
Horn podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
But I never got a chance.
Honestly, everybody in Soto iswonderful.
I love slay the hands, I loveroti, I love cartes.
Um, all of them are great, yeah.
And then what else do I?
Who else do I really?
I mean, you know, cardis is upthere, yeah, we're big
(31:18):
supporters of Cardis on the pod.
Yeah, Amos Rome is up there.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They do a wonderful job.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Especially if you like white wines and bubbles,
they're really good.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So good, yeah, they're white Pinot Noir.
Talking about that with acustomer today and it's really
good.
It's unique.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Not a lot of people do that.
It's pretty unique.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It's so unique, it's so wonderful, it's one that I
buy like a case of, yeah, and Ilove it Big fan.
But again we're going down thatwhite path and honestly, you've
been on a white wine trainlately.
I have been on a white.
Honestly, I think it's theweather.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, it's, weather's changing to warmer right now.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
It's warmer, even light reds.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I'm on a big, I'll drink any wine, any day of the
year.
But, yeah, usually in thewintertime I go to, but I'm
noticing myself, go into thewhite rosé and light red.
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Like that's just, I'm noticing.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
And Okay, so you named off a bunch, so I can't
choose the ones that you namedoff.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Because I agree with you, except for the first one,
because I don't know who theyare.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I've never.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
I've never tasted their wines, so I can't agree on
that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
I've never had them.
That's the only reason I've hadall the other ones and they're
awesome.
So you said what's it calledEagle Harbor?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Eagle Harbor.
Eagle Harbor, bainbridge,bainbridge Island winery.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Is that the same thing as Eagle Harbor?
Nope, okay, so they'redifferent.
Where's Eagle Harbor?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
On Bainbridge.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
On Bainbridge, and then there's also Bainbridge
winery, bainbridge Island winery, so I haven't had those two.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
There's a couple on Bainbridge.
Okay, yes.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So one year for my birthday, I, my parents, got me
a golf cart and they drove me toall the wineries on the island.
I don't know why it was a golfcart, because that was probably
super illegal, but because it'sstill a pretty big island it
depends I mean it's still.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I mean Orange County has Balboa Island.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Well, it's still.
It's a quote unquote.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
it's not like Bainbridge size, but Well, let's
just say, by the end of thenight I was hammered, and then I
wanted to have a onesie partybecause that sounds fun, and I
was a unicorn the rest of thenight.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Nice, so it's Eagle Harbor, Bainbridge winery, Lada
Cartus.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
We'll say Amos Rome.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Amos Rome.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So I can't pick those ones.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I can't pick those .
So I'm going to dip in a littlebit to California, because
that's kind of where mywinemaking roots are.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
That's your stomping grounds.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I would recommend, if you like, sera a lot Jaffers.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh God, see these are the ones.
I haven't been to.
Oh, I guess I have been toWalla Walla too.
I always forget, like GooseRidge.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
So I'll pick two from California.
Last three will be Washington.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
See, this is such a terrible question for me, but
I'm like it's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
It's like top five that are live for hip hop
rappers and stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
I also feel like you've gone to a lot more
wineries than I have.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
You have that's true, I have gone to a lot more than
you have.
I don't so much.
That's fine, that's fine.
So my top five is going to beJaffers Go to do.
You have to go there, Buy theirwines.
Anywhere you see them buy theirwines, and then Carhartt Family
Wines.
Obviously you got to go.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
You got to go.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
You've got to go.
You've had a bottle of theirs.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
I bought it to you and two Vintners.
I forgot about them.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Bro, let me get down with my list.
Damn, you got you got to go to.
She's just like naming off mylist right now.
Go to Latteris they're thebottle of the day for the
podcast today.
Go to Latteris and Maltbevault.
Buy their wines.
(35:21):
They're fucking awesome.
Go to two Vintners they'reright across the parking lot
from them.
They're awesome as well.
We've had them, or their wines,on the podcast, not them on the
podcast yet, although I'mhoping soon.
And then I'm going to say, oh,this is so hard for me, this is
(35:42):
difficult.
Oh my God, there's so many.
This is why it's so hard for me.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I know you said that and I was like, oh, I like this
one, I like that though.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean definitely the walls.
The walls is amazing, I lovethem.
I also love Grammarcy, but Ihave to pick, so I'll say the
walls over Grammarcy and thenthe last guy.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Wait.
So how many have you had yet?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I've had four.
So Jaffers, carhartt, twoVintners, the walls, oh shit, no
, I'm at five already.
I was going to say Damn.
So I'm going to pick Carhartt,latteras, two Vintners, the
walls.
Those are my top five that youshould buy.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Okay, there's 10 right there, people, and we
spread out our range there.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
So we did, we namedropped a bunch too.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yes, so go support them.
It's a big topic, it needs tobe, and it doesn't hurt.
Go support all them.
Go wine tasting, even if it'sone winery.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Exactly so.
We should switch topics becausewe're running out of time, so
let's switch topics to what yougot going on.
This will be a longer episode,which is fine.
I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Or do we want to roll it over to?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
Patreon.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Patreon.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
We keep on doing this , we sneak I know.
But you know what we sneak thetopics in the beginning that
we're going to be talking about,and then we run out of time and
we go to Patreon.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
So you know what?
Go to Patreon and purchase baby.
Yeah, Support us so we can getmore on, or also what you can do
.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
what we started doing was chill out.
That's fucking up, though.
What you can also do if youdon't want to pay for Patreon
and the reason is because youlistened to it on Spotify or
Apple Music.
We are releasing those episodesfor a subscriber only on both
(37:46):
Spotify, apple Music and GooglePodcast, so you can subscribe
for a little less than a Patreonto get an extra episode a week.
So go to, you know, click thelink in the show notes.
We're going to have it there soyou can subscribe to those and
get your extra episode as well.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
But also if you can afford $5, we would love it.
It helps us yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I mean what you can do with a subscriber.
With a subscriber, one is it is, the base is like $3, but you
can pick whatever payment thatyou want.
I mean you know so five wouldbe amazing $5 really goes a long
way for someone.
That's what I would ask $5.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
$5.
You don't need to be $20 at ourtop one.
You don't need to be part ofthe OG crew, yeah, but like you
can help us out, like if you'reenjoying these podcasts, like
not to be like a snobby littlebitch, but you know we work hard
, we're trying.
Yeah, we're a small business.
(38:51):
We are a small business Tryingto just make it bitches.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Thank you guys.
See you on Patreon.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Love you.
Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye.
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