December 31, 2020 • 46 mins
In this episode, I talk to Tom Youngs who made the big leap from successfully starting a career in dentistry in a well-respected private practice in the UK, to jumping into entrepreneurship in tech startups.
I met Tom over five years ago - a well-respected coach I had hired suggested he meet me and it was at the start of his career change journey. Five years later, after a few pivots,I noticed how happy he was from a LinkedIn post celebrating working with his team in the tech startup world. So I wanted to find out more about how his career change unfolded.
This episode is particularly relevant for people who feel they have large sunk costs from being in a career for years or spending many years, and a lot of money, training in a profession. It’s also for those whose families are in the same profession as them. Tom ticks all these boxes and came out successfully in a new career he loves.
In this episode we discuss:
- The moment that hit Tom he was not in the right career for him after years of being focused and dedicated to achieving that goal
- Managing his career transition working in two tech startups while working at his dental practice
- Lessons he has learnt in hindsight from making his decision to change career
- How Tom knows this is the right career for him now
- Having a sense of freedom and a bubble bursting connecting him to the world
- What’s the one thing that makes Tom Youngs burn from within?
The full show notes and videos of other interviews are available at burnfromwithin.com/interviews - so listen all the way through and enjoy!
Resources:
- The Four Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss - the book that influenced thousands, if not millions of people, including Tom Youngs and myself to delve into entrepreneurship and be able to do things they love
Contact:
- Here is Tom Youngs LinkedIn profile - connect with him there and feel free to ask any questions or share your reflections from watching this episode directly with him.
And if you want to book a free 20-minute consultation call with Matt Garrow-Fisher to help you on the One Thing to focus on next for your career change, click here.
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Matt Garrow-Fisher (00:27):
In this episode, I talked to Tom Youngs
who made the big leap fromsuccessfully starting a career
in dentistry, in awell-respected private practice
in the UK to jumping intoentrepreneurship in tech
startups.
I met Tom over five years ago,or well-respected coach.
I had hired suggested he meetme.
(00:49):
And it was the start of hiscareer change journey.
Five years later, after a fewpivots, I noticed how happy he
was from a LinkedIn postcelebrating, working with his
team in the tech startup world.
So I wanted to find out moreabout how his career change
unfolded.
This episode is particularlyrelevant for people who feel
(01:12):
they have large sunk costs frombeing in a career for years or
spending many years, and a lotof money training in a
profession.
It's also for those whosefamilies are in the same percent
profession as them, Tom ticksall these boxes and came out
successfully in a new career.
He loves in this episode, wediscuss the moment that Tom.
(01:36):
Realized he was not in the rightcareer for him managing his
career transition, working intwo tech startups, while working
at his dental practice lessons,he has learned in hindsight from
making his decision to change incareer.
How Tom knows this is the rightcareer for him now And what's
the one thing that makes TomYoung's burn from within the
(01:59):
full show notes and videos ofother interviews are
available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way throughand enjoy.
You trained, I think in 2009 to2013, you did a biomedical
sciences degree.
Then you did a dentistry degreefor four years after that.
(02:20):
And then went, I'm an associatedentist, a cosmetic dentist.
For most people who are in themedical field that's it for
them.
Isn't it.
It's like I've done all of thistraining.
I've done.
This learning and I'm on thispath now.
What made you start to havedoubts about that path and how
(02:41):
did that start to unfold?
Tom Youngs (02:44):
Yeah.
Quite rightly so you, youmentioned that I had done
actually the two degrees, sodentistry was my PO.
Postgraduate degree.
So I did the, I went the longway round.
I did the proper marathon routesto get my qualification.
So if anything, this looks evenmore it's even more spectacular
taking a leap away from it.
But yeah, I can tell you, I cantell you when one, the day that
(03:09):
I had the.
Probably when it dawned on mewas actually he was one and a
half years after graduating.
So it was in 2014.
And I had gotten myself to aposition where I had actually
managed to get my dream job ayear and a half after
graduating, which is quite wassomething I didn't expect to
actually achieve for aboutanother five years.
(03:31):
So all of a sudden I was sittingin a fully private practice 18
months after, after graduatingand I was seeing Perhaps
sometimes only two to threepatients a day because I was
able to refer procedures that Ididn't like to other clinicians
and I was focusing on the stuffI loved.
So one of us are know sat in mydental practice, in my, in this
(03:53):
room, not too dissimilar to thisfour white walls, quite compact.
And.
I was doing essentially what Ithought I wouldn't be able to do
for another five years.
I thought, where my roadmap formy career.
I would never get to thatposition for at least another
five plus years.
And it, it took me 18 months andit was at that moment when it it
(04:16):
hit me like a train and I wasjust like, Oh, shit.
This is it.
Isn't it.
This is it for 40 years.
And perhaps is, feeling quiteremote maybe in quite a small
town in the middle of thecountry.
Feeling very far removed fromfriends and family and it was
(04:36):
the first time I realized thatfor you to forge a career as a
clinician, you need to stay inone place.
And don't think I'd really everforecasts that in my head.
I'd never really thought forwardabout that.
And then it suddenly hit me.
And that was the moment.
That was the moment when I waslike, I'd had the dream job.
(04:59):
I was working in a greatpractice with a great team.
And I was like, Oh, this is it.
It was a pretty stark awakening.
Hit me quite hard.
So that was the moment that,that was the moment.
So yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (05:14):
It's insane because, you've, you worked so
hard for so many years and youhad that, it was like a.
You said it's a dream job and itwas a target in your mind for a
long time.
If the networking online you didthe Saturday job and you did
everything in your power to get,what was on your, in your
(05:34):
vision.
And then it's just sointeresting that when you're
actually there and sittingthere, that realization came
about I'm curious.
For people that are maybestarting a degree perhaps with
the power of hindsight, whatwould you have done differently
(05:55):
in your degree with thatknowledge now?
And what would you say to peoplewho are starting qualifications
or new career paths with whatyou've with what you've learned
to prevent that realization atsuch a late stage.
Tom Youngs (06:09):
Yeah, I think probably to answer that
question, but I have to lookback at the reasons why, yeah, I
did it in the first place to, ifI can look back in hindsight and
for context.
So I come from a family wherebased in my parents through,
within the medical professionand I grew up with.
A and wider family members aswell.
(06:29):
So my dad, my mum they're bothworked in hospitals.
They're friends, family, allworked in hospitals.
I grew up and it was essentiallythe only thing I knew was
available to me.
Not that.
Not really there wasn't otheroptions, but I think I saw it at
a young age.
I saw my parents life.
If I saw the life that they werevery, I was very fortunate to
receive as one of theirchildren.
(06:51):
And it was a very logicaldecision to me.
I had similar interests, so likemy brother, like my dad, like my
mum, did do have a a naturalinterest in science.
And so it was really just alogical kind of step for me to
take towards that field.
I think the world is differentnow.
I really do think that we are inthis connected hyper-connected
(07:15):
world that we live in wherethere's even.
So when I was making thatdecision, it was 2003 when I was
a 15 year old boy.
Yeah.
Someone that goes into themedical field, you have to make
that decision when you are 15 atleast in the UK, So you make
that decision when you've justdone your GCs.
And when you check those, chooseyour a levels at the age of 15,
(07:38):
that's when you make thatdecision, I want to be a
clinician, which.
In hindsight I don't, Ipersonally don't believe that is
the best way to, to make surethat you have you have
clinicians that are going to befulfilled and prevent things
like prevent circumstances likethis happening, or perhaps
people that maybe actually thatwasn't the right thing for them.
(08:00):
I don't know.
You, do you agree?
Do you think that's that'sprobably one of the.
Probably one of the negativesaround our system and at least
in the UK is that we areexpected to be, to make predict
our future from a young age.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (08:13):
Yeah, I think a lot of the advice that I
give people who are thinkingabout a new career Not
necessarily 15 year olds thatare about to start their a
levels, but it's, it applies toeveryone is to stop testing and
getting experience.
And, you did get experience interms of, when you were doing
your degree and you were doing aSaturday that Saturday job, and
(08:35):
you were getting a feel for.
How it was, but to startchoosing your future and, 40, 50
year future without having anyexperience in terms of what it
would be like to work in adental practice or in the
medical field.
And just on a, I think a lot ofstudents, they might, see the TV
(08:58):
show house or something.
Something like that and getinspired and go, Oh, I want to
do that.
And the reality is probablyquite different to what's in
your mind.
Tom Youngs (09:07):
Yeah.
And I can relate to that becauseI was the same.
I watched it was ER, to ER, WhatI watched.
And yeah, when we talk aboutwork experience, I did work
experience when I was like a 14,15 year old.
I worked as a nurse when I was16 during the summer holidays.
But when it came to dentistry, Ihad I think I have three hours
worth of work experience where Isat in my dentist's surgery for
(09:30):
an afternoon.
And that was what I had made.
That was my decision making atthe time, at the age of, at that
point, I was 20.
And it was like, okay, yeah,it's crazy to look back.
But I think my point was is thatwe were in a much we're in a
much less connected world wherethere was much less information
being readily accessible.
(09:50):
One of the things that I thinkmyself and you.
Probably have kinda Kendredinterests in is obviously
entrepreneurship.
And that's something that Idefinitely think is is a pathway
that is it is more accessible toa younger generation.
Whereas I don't think I think inhindsight, I think it would be
very difficult for me to say Iwould have done anything
(10:11):
differently.
Because of, I think there's justa, from a generational
perspective.
So yeah, I think it's difficultfor me to look back and say,
What would I have done?
Would I have done anythingdifferently?
I think I'd have to stick withwith my answer, which would be
no, I think in my experiencethat I had, so my first degree
gave me a certain set ofexperiences that I learned from
(10:33):
and grew from my second degree.
That taught me that I was.
If I wanted to be, I could beextremely hard working and I can
be successful as well.
So I think I learned a lot fromthose.
And I think that thoseexperiences allow just perhaps
gave me confidence, which I dothink is the value of university
(10:54):
experience to some people.
Is the, isn't it an ability is.
That gives them an environmentwhere they're out of a comfort
zone of living at home, thatoutside the comfort zone of
being provided for in that, ontheir own two feet.
And some people thrive in theircircumstance.
Some people maybe take a littlebit more time to get into that,
but I definitely think that wasat least my second degree really
(11:16):
helped.
Give them what, give me and growconfident in my abilities.
If I really wanted to put myhead to something.
So I think that's the, that wasthe benefits of those shoes, the
long way round.
But yeah, I think it's just oneof those things you just Part is
part of my I suppose my kind ofmy life.
And yeah, I don't think I, Iwouldn't be doing what I'm doing
(11:36):
now, which I'm incredibly happyabout and excited about if it
wasn't for those experiences.
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:44):
Let's go back to that moment where you
realized, Whoa, hang on.
I'm going to be doing this for40 years fast forward a bit to
starting to unpack what else youthought you wanted to do?
Because as I said earlier,dentistry, the medical
profession, large sunk costs,difficult to get out Which
(12:07):
directions were you turning to?
Did you have any kind of inklingof what you wanted to do?
And now you're doing your you'rein entrepreneurship and you've
gone, you've worked at variousstartups and.
In, in sales and businessdevelopment and managing teams
and all that kind of stuff, verydifferent to dentistry.
(12:29):
So how did you start getting theideas and the seed for that new
career path?
Tom Youngs (12:35):
Yeah, so I think the most important thing that I did
at that stage was I recognizedthat and this goes back to your
point.
I recognize that I actuallyneeded to make a decision sooner
rather than later.
So I think that the mostimportant thing I did at the
time was I recognized that thisisn't something that I can dwell
on.
(12:56):
This is something that Iactually have to make a decision
relatively fast and the reason,and there are reasons for this,
and this is why go empathizewith anyone going through this
especially within the medicalfield.
There are many things withinthat profession that are holding
on to you.
For the majority of people,those are responsibilities.
(13:16):
So that's basicresponsibilities, whether it's
rent whether it's looking afterkids it's, basis of having an
income.
And the problem with the medicalfield is that as your income
increases, and this is probablyagain, one of the reasons why I
actually left and people do askme about this all the time.
It's the most common question Iget asked is that they're
surprised I left the industrybecause it's such a well-paid
(13:36):
job.
And I completely andwholeheartedly disagree with
that.
And the reason is because as youdevelop as a clinician your
income will go up.
But your expenses as a,especially as a private
clinician.
So your expenses of youroverheads just like they go,
(13:56):
they're exponential.
So as an example so as an earlyclinician is when you leave
leave the medical fresh and youneed to pay insurance to go to
work and the same for a medic.
Same for dentist.
And as a dentist, when I when Igraduated my first year, I paid
five pounds for my entire annualinsurance fee.
The next year, it goes up to ahundred quid for the year.
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Now the next year they're like,it'll be 500 quid now for your
third year.
And that never stops going up.
I realized that I needed to makea decision sooner rather than
later, because there are withinthe profession each year, each,
or even six months, every sixmonths you stay in it, there
are, you have moreresponsibilities and the harder
(14:38):
it is to get out.
So basically I was like, okay Igot to do this and that's now
whenever I make the jump now.
And so that kind of left a bitof a firearm neath my ass to be
like, okay, this is a timedependent thing, you need to
really make this job.
Now do this now.
So the first thing I did wasrecognized that I needed to make
this decision relatively fast.
And then the next thing waslike, okay, great.
(15:00):
Shit.
What do I do next?
Which is, I think the, yeah, thethe Genesis of that question is
that it is quite all of a suddenyou're in this position where
it's like I've made thisdecision.
I want to do something else.
I don't know what though.
So yeah the, so what I decidedto do was actually based and I
credit a book that I read duringuniversity.
(15:21):
For this.
And I think the main thing thatactually sparked my spot's the
question in my head of is thiswhat I wanted to do for the rest
of my life which was the fourhour workweek by Tim Ferriss,
which I know you're very muchfan of but yeah so I read that
in, in 20, I think 2011.
So I was still at theuniversity.
(15:41):
And I'm sure many of the, yourlisteners are familiar with the
book.
The concept of the book beingthat essentially the.
That we have some very preciouscommodities in life.
And one of those most preciousis time.
And we have a limit.
We have a complete limit on afinite amount of time on this
planet.
And I think that was why when Ihad this realization, when I was
(16:03):
sitting in the dental practice.
Okay, crap, this is it for 40years.
I just have to sit herebasically.
And it was quite, it was themost stressful job I have done.
And I still have back indentistry was always the most
stressful I've ever had to do.
What I made a decision justaround that time.
I sat in that practice was okay.
I remember the four hourworkweek and I've been a huge
fan.
And I was like, is there a way Ican do something entrepreneurial
(16:26):
within.
Dentistry.
That means I don't have to be aclinician and I can leverage
that the philosophy for, fromthat book, which is to create
some sort of passive incomethrough productizing, so I
embarked on a process ofdesigning some surgical
instruments, with the initialintention was to sell them
within the international dentalmarket.
(16:48):
So these were niche products,which again was one of the
philosophies of the book was tocreate super hyper niche
products.
And it was a niche product thatagain, in the book, Tim
recommends the, or an expert in.
And so here I was I'd S I hadsunk all this effort and
invested all this time andeducation into becoming a nerd,
a topic.
So I was like, this is greatbecause I do think that there is
(17:11):
a need for these types ofinstruments.
I know the I really feel like Ihave a great finger on the pulse
of the that niche.
I was considered probably alittle bit of a thought leader,
a key opinion leader within thatniche.
I was starting to lectureinternationally and spending a
lot of time networking with it.
(17:31):
So I, I saw an opportunity andthat kinda got me a little bit
excited cause I was like, great.
So I actually went through thiswhole process of designing these
surgical instruments with amanufacturer within I think it
was Pakistan.
And back and forth creating thesamples.
And I was like, okay, I'm goingto sink a certain amount of
money into this.
And I got to the point where itwas basically like, okay you've
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designed these, do you wantthem, if you want them, you're
going to have to put in anorder.
And the order was, would havebeen tens of thousands of pounds
to get, that was the initialstartup cost.
Oh, it was like, ah, that point,my, my passion for wanting to be
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in the dental industry wasstarting to wane.
I'm really enjoyed that processof designing stuff, setting up a
company the process of ofstrategizing.
I absolutely loved that.
I was thinking, it was reallygetting my, like my, the light
bulb in my head was.
Properly it all the time about,okay, I can do this.
I was excited about theopportunity to do this and that
(18:35):
and where I can go with it.
And I think that for me, it wasthe real thing that sparked me
was like, okay, I actually, Ilove this process of building
something of trying to buildsomething.
At that point realized I don'twant to be here within this
medical professional anymore,but.
I was obviously a, a fan of TimI'm a fan of some of his
(18:57):
contemporaries and a large partof what they were doing was
angel investing in techstartups.
So I was like, that sounds fun.
Sounds interesting.
Let me look into that.
And at which point I think itwas at that point where I was
like, okay I've done.
I'm doing all these littlethings, got a bit of an idea.
I should probably talk to aprofessional about the fact that
(19:21):
I'm about to make this careerchange choice.
Which was, that was at the pointwhen essentially I met you
through our mutual coach,Michael.
Was, at that time I researchedonline, just looked at the kind
of career change coaches orcareer changed specialists and
found Michael.
I ended up working with him sofor six months so my, myself and
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him would meet every couple ofweeks and.
Just for people that are awareof this.
So the way w the way I workedwith Michael at the time,
Michael is a high net worthcoach.
So he works with high net worthindividuals.
At that time I was definitelynot, and I still am not a higher
net worth.
(20:02):
Person.
So the cost to, to buy hiscoaching was significant at the
time.
So I paid at the time I paid3000 pounds for a course of
coaching, which was a lot ofmoney and I had to get that out.
I took that in the form ofcredit.
So I think I paid on Amex.
I bought, I got an Amex card andI dug myself into a little bit
(20:26):
more debt that I probablydidn't.
Want to have, this was a huge,probably crossroads in my life.
And I felt like I shouldprobably, this is may not be the
most, the best use of money, butI felt like I can look back on
it and I'll be like at least Icovered all my bases.
If that makes sense.
(20:46):
And that was at that point, heintroduced me to you.
And and you were meeting withyou and a couple of other people
that Michael put me in contactwith who was probably the, the
real instigator and me feelinglike.
Confident in that.
Okay.
I can do this.
And this is really interestingpath that I could go down and I
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felt super inspired by meetingyourself and some others that
I'd met that were doing similarthings working.
That's interesting.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:15):
That's interesting.
That this point about speakingto two different people to, to.
To get inspired and to, starthaving a belief in a certain
career path in startups, inentrepreneurship, in your case,
what was it about speaking topeople and also coaching as
(21:35):
well, that really helped you toknow, first of all, to know that
was the path for you.
And second of all to actuallystart taking action.
On that path.
What was it about thoseconversations with people?
And also,
Tom Youngs (21:54):
I think it's important to probably say at
this stage that despite speakingto you and being inspired by you
and other others at no point,did I feel like I never had the
full a hundred percentconfidence that what I was doing
was the right thing.
Never, I, you always havesomething on one shoulder
(22:15):
telling you, keep on going.
And then the other shoulder,there is someone, something
they're saying, making youquestion things.
And so what, and this is whatMichael was very good at good at
doing.
And helping me with in thatprocess was actually For by
simplifying this essentiallybrainstorming things that I had
passions and interests in andsome level of ability.
(22:37):
Within to dust, putting itreally simply and distilling it
from a number, a lot of hoursspent doing that, but it was a
process where we took our timeand I and working with him was
an understanding of, okay, thereare and lots of potential
options did come up there.
Weren't it wasn't asstraightforward as a, okay.
There's this.
And that's why he was reallyhelpful in directing me to
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people like you because So youhad a very different angle and
experience to some of the otherpeople that I met with, even
though you're all doing similarentrepreneurial things.
I think what he wanted to do isjust introduce me to people that
were doing different thingswithin entrepreneurial-ism.
So I could get get a taste forthose different things.
So another guy that I met was aguy called Rob Donovan.
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He was a CEO of a essentially astartup accelerator fund.
I think he's now at least the MDof a really successful HR
platform called Charlie thatI've used in startups before.
So he was doing that kind ofthat tech startup world.
And that was.
Eventually the, what pushed medown that, that kind of route
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towards working with startupswas actually from, from meeting
him.
Unfortunately at that time itdidn't have the confidence
they're going to do something onmy own.
So it was like, okay, spent nowit's time to spend some time
working in the industry, whichwas within technology and gained
some experience, working withdifferent businesses, different
teams.
And that's where that thatperhaps how that process.
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Process happened.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (24:05):
That kind of gave you the inspiration to go.
Yeah this sounds like somethingI do want to do.
And then you started work instartups and actually, you were
playing on the field, you wereactually in the game Cause it's
a big again, it's it could be abig commitment in terms of a
career path, right?
40 years or even 20 years orwhatever, you're committing to,
(24:27):
to developing this career andthis journey in your life.
So how did you ensure likeconfidence that this
Tom Youngs (24:35):
was a right thing.
So I think It's important tostay.
It's like preface this, but, Ialways knew that I wanted my own
business.
That was something that nomatter what I always wanted to
be my boss, I wanted to own myown business and they mine
organizations.
So that was something thatalways had in the back of my
mind.
And that was one of the reasonsI went to that, that that that
Period of creating and designingmy own business and surgical
(24:58):
instruments and stuff was to getsome experience in that.
But then I was then S courseworkers and I didn't have a
business idea, so I couldn'twork for any, I can start a
business.
I didn't, because I didn't havea business idea.
So the only option for me wasfor me to just really just jump
to for today in into these Intothese organizations and just get
some experience.
So I didn't have complete faiththat this was what I wanted to
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do, but what I had faith in wasthe, if I put myself into that
situation, I would at least findout the answer.
So the way I did it was I I wasworking three days a week as a
dentist.
So I was doing Thursdays,Fridays and Saturdays in
Somerset.
And I was doing Mondays,Tuesdays and Wednesdays in
(25:41):
London working for, to to seedstage startups within
accelerated funds within inLondon.
And these are unpaidinternships.
So I was doing three days a weekas an unpaid, as unpaid interns
in two different startups.
One was an advertising startup.
One was a a finance financialservices startup.
And then, yeah, I was doingthree days a week driving out
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Somerset, staying in a hotel fora couple of nights and basically
making it work whilst I gained,tried to gain some experience,
something for a CV so thathopefully I could get myself a
full-time position.
Which is eventually whathappened after about six months.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (26:19):
You were in this transition phase you were
still working in dentistry and,but you're also testing the
ground of this new career.
How was managing that transitioninto a full-time job?
Was it difficult?
Is it something like, thinkthrough the actual transition
period?
Cause that can be quite roughfor some people.
Tom Youngs (26:39):
Oh man.
Absolutely.
And this goes back to my pointearlier about how I recognize
that this was a decision that Ihad to make fast was because I
was at a time in my life where Ihad the absolute the lowest
amount of responsibility I wasgoing to have.
So I didn't have any kids didn'thave any dependents.
Didn't have a mortgage.
Didn't have I was.
Essentially free.
(27:00):
So I was free to do what Iwanted.
So the only thing that I had inmy head was, okay what do I need
to at least maintain my standardof living, which at that point w
which is why it's, this is avery case dependent This is a
really case dependentdiscussion.
And everyone is going to be in adifferent kind of situation.
But the way I did it was that Irecognize that for me to
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maintain my current livingstandards, I would be, I'd be
on, I basically needed to earn30,000 pounds per year.
That's what I was earningworking three days a week as a
dentist.
And then three days a week Icould afford to work unpaid.
And so for six months I was.
Just about making that work.
I was actually fortunate enoughthat during that time I didn't
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pay rent because I lived with myauntie.
I did when I moved to London.
Obviously I my aunt and unclewere very very, I was very
fortunate that they allow me tostay there for the six months
whilst I was doing thattransition period.
So it didn't have as much moneyas pay on rent.
So that's what allowed me to dothat.
But it's a really difficult,it's a really difficult thing to
(28:06):
I think each person has to lookat their own circumstance and
what it was a for me was look tothe resources that I had.
So I had family and friends thatI could stay with.
I know I tried to, there was.
I still had to work.
So that was the, the, and it wasbasically what happened was the,
I worked, did that situation forsix, six months and then kept on
(28:28):
applying for jobs, applying forthe full-time jobs within the
tech world.
And then finally someone tookupon and I managed to get a job,
which it was a sales job workingfor a small tech toy startup.
And yeah, it kinda got me, itwas the same, just about the
same salary for just under30,000 years.
So 30,000 pounds a year,including commission.
(28:51):
And that was what really got me,allow me to take that full leap.
Was that was the, when the fulltransition happened but yeah, I
had to be a little bit secretiveof asset because yeah, it would
have affected it would haveaffected my, my, yeah, my
clinical work.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (29:05):
So you got the job at the tech startup and
it was full time.
Now fast forward to now, andyou've actually been in this, on
this path for a few years.
What, I guess with, again, withthe power of fine sight looking
back now and you seem reallyhappy with your career and how
it's going and also aligned aswell.
I get the sense of you're quitealigned with what you're doing
(29:28):
as well with hindsight.
Now, how would you be able toput your finger on why this is
such a good career for you?
Tom Youngs (29:40):
So I've for, again for context, I've recently
launched my business.
Which would like, like Imentioned, it was always my
dream.
So this year we finally wentlive with a business that I'd
been working on for the lastcouple of years.
It's a, an online store forsustainable beauty products
called viable beauty.
And I I co-founded it with oneof my.
(30:03):
Existing colleagues that I alsowork with.
And so you could consider thiskind of like a side hustle at
the moment.
So I have a I have a full-timejob where I work as a a web user
experience expert analyst.
So I work with the likes ofTommy Hilfiger, all of a bonus
to help.
The teams understand how toimprove that websites.
And at the same time I havelaunched my own website.
(30:25):
I'm doing some of the things.
And so both of my jobs are supercomplimentary at the moment.
They've they really complimenteach other very well.
So at the same time, as megetting experienced, working
with all of these hugebusinesses and huge
organizations, I'm also at themoment, having a lot of fun
building my own thing.
So I'm really yeah, reallyreally liking really enjoying
that.
I don't know how it's turned outthat way, but I think that what
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I did was I I really understoodthat there was, at that time of
career change, I recognized thatthe two biggest things I
recognize were was one that thisis a decision that is time
dependent.
And I can't dwell on this.
And I, it has to be, it has tobe something that the longer I
keep it, the harder this is, I'mgoing to make this whole
process.
And then the second thing wasjust make sure you've.
(31:13):
Covered all bases.
But so now I'm in this fulfill,like I'm in a really good place
now where I'm developing as a asa web specialist as well as
having the, all of the joys andpressures and stress, but fun
build a mind thing, which.
Absolutely.
So yeah, I've I feel like I'venaturally just gotten to this
(31:33):
position where I'm superfortunate that things are come
to where is probably, yeah.
W it just fits with mypersonality and really really
feel like I've yeah, go somegreat direction, which is what I
was looking for.
All those years ago when Iinitially spoke to you.
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:51):
Being in business development and sales
for many years now in, in thisspace, in the tech space,
Tom Youngs (31:57):
I can
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:57):
tell Tom you're a confident guy.
You're great at networking.
You're great with people.
Do you feel that those skillsand talents, would say you're in
flow when you're using thosethose natural talents.
Do you think that in dentistrythat they perhaps what may be
were underutilized, in thisclinic and in Somerset and
(32:20):
thinking about that point, ifthat is true Do you feel that's
an important factor in lookingfor and testing new careers?
Like just being aware of thosekinds of innate abilities and
natural talents or things thatyou're uniquely good at?
Tom Youngs (32:38):
Yeah.
I think if I look back to thatpoint, when when I was making, I
made that decision that I wantedto go into another career when
it hit me like a truck, part ofthat was as well was I was
feeling very stifled as a justas a person.
Being a clinician is reallytough because you.
You never really able to beyourself.
(33:00):
You have to constantly have thisthis professional mask on and
not afraid to say it.
I'm a guy that loves theoccasional swear word.
I'm I have a pretty bad sense ofhumor.
And I found it really stifling.
I found it really hard that Icouldn't really, I couldn't be
myself and.
(33:21):
That was probably the bestfeeling was in that first job
that I had working in this kindof like really smaller little
compact tech company, which waslike a big family, 30 people.
And all of a sudden it's likesomeone literally just popped
this bubble and it was, Oh myGod, there's the rest of the
world.
It's, that's how it felt.
It genuinely felt.
And.
(33:42):
That job for, I had it for twoyears was just really made me
feel like I know I've, it mademe feel a couple of things.
It made me feel like shit, Ireally have started from
scratch.
That was the one thing.
It was like, it was, Oh my God.
Now all of this effort and thissunk cost and all of this
education that you've done forlike nearly nine years, It means
(34:06):
nothing.
And so that was that was onerealization that, okay, you
really are starting from thebottom.
But the second one was just thisfulfilling a freedom just
genuinely that's how I can thisis the best way I could describe
it, like someone and just bursthis bubble.
And all of a sudden the rest ofthe world was there and open to
me.
Whereas this might be somethingthat the other people are
(34:30):
listening to medical in themedical field.
I'm sure.
Other fields as well, very muchfeels like this bubble that you
are trapped, not trapped, butonce I was able to be out the
outside of it, I could see a lotclearer.
And I was just like, happy.
I was just like, Oh my God,here's everyone else.
(34:51):
I know it was meeting peoplelike you.
And it was so exciting.
That was like, that was probablyone of the things, which is no,
you are doing the right thing.
And yeah, and I know I have alot of people that did the, when
they hear that I made that joke.
They do, they're like you prettybrave.
You're like really brave thatyou made this this jump.
And yeah, it was a really super,super tough thing, but there
(35:14):
were a time there was, unless Istill have this, but yeah, it
was really feeling like here'sthe rest of the world that
isn't, that was anoverwhelmingly.
Positive feeling tough.
So that's really what like gaveme the yeah, give me the feeling
that I was doing the rightthing.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:29):
Yeah.
It's what I find reallyinteresting about you Tom is
just how determined you were tofind this a path that would work
for you.
Like you spent six months withour coach really
Tom Youngs (35:43):
exploring all
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:44):
these different options, speaking to
so many different people.
You were working two, three jobsat one point to tech startups
and the dentistry.
Lot of sacrifices with a lot ofunknowns as well, but there's
something that was driving youin through that whole process
of.
I can make this work or Ithere's there was something in
(36:05):
you that was driving you toactually do this.
What was your, what was youraim?
What were you going for?
Was it happiness?
Was it fulfillment?
Was it freedom?
What, when what do you think itwas that actually drove you?
Cause there's a lot of people.
Would not do what you've done.
I have to say they, theywouldn't, either their family
might have been in the medicalprofession and they, then that's
(36:28):
an excuse of, Oh, I have to bein this profession, even if I
don't like it, or, they've hadthose sunk costs of training and
they're like, I can't get itback now.
But there was something in youthat was like, I've got to do
something different because ofwhat was that?
What was that?
Driving force that difference.
That makes a difference betweenyou and someone that is in a
(36:50):
career that just is notfulfilling them.
Tom Youngs (36:53):
Yeah, I think I think because I had those
experiences of working in apractice and working as a as a
clinician It really started me.
It started getting me questedfor the first time questioning.
Okay.
But being a bit more philosophyphilosophical.
So asking those questions okaywill, am I happy?
Am I fulfilled?
Am I excited?
Am I yeah.
(37:15):
All of those things that youmentioned and.
It was the first time I'd donethat I haven't, literally had
spent Hamad myself a night, nineyears straight exams, and I
never had the chance to take astep back, take a breath and be
like, okay, what is it actuallythat it isn't.
And yeah, I have to look back atthe four hour work week for
(37:35):
being the, the first thing thatreally.
Made me start thinking aboutthat.
And again, the most around thetime being super precious and as
well as health.
So like health is something thatI consider probably up there as
my biggest priorities is withouthealth time means nothing.
Times nothing.
Those are the two biggestpriorities in my life.
(37:56):
So that's what w helped me hasnow helped me guide me to be
like, okay what are the thethings in life that are gonna
allow you?
What kind of path is going toallow you to have peak up peak
happiness peak health peak timefreedom.
And this was part of exactly whymeeting you were so good.
And why Michael wanted us to beintroduced to this was that you
(38:16):
helped help me appreciate that.
That was possible.
But yeah, that was there.
It was all of those things.
It was just like, okay, I wantto be healthy.
I want to be have freedom or tobe financially free.
I want to be fulfilled, but Ialso recognize that I really do
enjoy working hard.
So that's something that, that Iwas like, ah, I love chat.
I love challenging myself.
(38:37):
The journey was just test tryingstuff out and testing stuff out.
And yeah, I feel like I've hadthe chance to do that.
But yeah, that's I questionthose things all the time and
it's funny cause we're startingthat time between Christmas and
new year at the moment whereI've spent the last couple of
days really starting to thinkabout think about what my goals
(38:58):
for next year are going to be.
And yeah, this it's just keepit, put it into the base, strip
it down to the basics.
What is my health going to be?
What do I want my health to looklike?
What do I want my what did I,what do I want my relationships
to look like?
What do I want my happiness tolook like?
And the, the answer is justcoming up with some sort of a
strategy that helps you.
(39:20):
Make sure you take all of thoseboxes.
So that's what I'm working on.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:24):
Yeah.
Zooming out of your life ratherthan being caught up in it and
looking at the bigger picture,looking at, Hey, what is
actually important to me?
Health is important.
Okay.
And freedom is important to youand running your own business
and all of those kinds ofthings.
And so you, you sat, as yousaid, you sat plan to, to at
(39:47):
least move in that direction.
So you
Tom Youngs (39:49):
have more chance
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:50):
of being able to fulfill all of those
highest priorities in your life,and then testing, testing things
out until you, like you're onnow this career path that you're
really happy with my finalquestion, Tom.
I call someone that's burningfrom within someone that's
pretty living with passion.
They're passionate about whatthey do.
They have a purpose, they have areal meaning in their work or in
(40:13):
their life.
And they and they have balanceas well.
And they balance time for theircareer for their family.
For.
Whatever's important to themhealth.
You mentioned as well, so havingpassion, purpose, and balance is
a magic formula for burning fromwithin not burning out and
hating your career, butactually, having the fuel inside
(40:35):
you to keep going and lovinglife, what would you say is the
one thing that's made thebiggest difference for you, Tom,
to burn from within.
Tom Youngs (40:44):
I think I wouldn't be being able to answer this
question a year ago.
If I'm going to be completelyhonest with you the, I think
purpose has been, is the mostfor me at the moment is the kind
of the leading light in that in,in that triangle.
And that comes from that kind ofthat deep.
Ambition to start my ownbusiness.
(41:07):
And I have I feel really proudthat I've managed to launch a
business, which I feel is aimingtowards something that is
virtuous.
And that has that I can't tellyou how much that inspires me.
And but I didn't have that, lastyear didn't have that.
And I definitely I wouldn't havebeen able to answer that
question.
If you had asked me ask me now,I think I was still in a
(41:29):
searching kind of within thesearching phase, but now I do
really feel like I'm at a pointwhere I've got something that I
can focus on something that isfulfilling and virtuous, and I'm
having a lot of fun, loads offun doing it.
And it's never hard work, whichis, that's the thing that
everyone always.
Bangs on about, is it dosomething that doesn't feel like
(41:50):
work and it's I've never, I'dnever found that.
And so now I've got a little bitof a taste of it and, sure.
There's, I'm having to do stuffthat I don't always enjoy, but
I'm still finding this this, thechallenge of doing learning lots
of different, new thingslearning lots of stuff.
That's the thing that, thatkeeps me from, kids who burning
from within is just the constantpursuit to learn.
(42:12):
Yeah, that's probably it
Matt Garrow-Fisher (42:15):
love it.
Absolutely love it.
Yeah.
And yeah, I think, takingyourself back to, after you read
the four hour work week,there's, there was always this
purpose of entrepreneurship and,wanting to run your own
business.
And so that was the underlyingpurpose of huge direction of
your life actually.
Which kind of, you're like,okay, how do I do this tech
(42:37):
startups?
Who can I speak to?
Where, who can I work forgetting the right skills to to
have that confidence.
And now you're running aroundbusiness and that, and now it's
almost like your you're diggingdeeper into that purpose of
okay, now I'm running my ownbusiness.
What's the, what is the purposethat I really want to Explore in
that business.
And that's the fuel for you?
(42:58):
I love it.
Thank you so much, Tom wasreally sharing like your mindset
of when you transition yourcure, your decision behind it,
how you managed your transitioninto that career.
Things you think about now withhindsight that you might not
have thought about before andand really what's helped you be
happy to be fulfilled in yourcareer and know that this is the
(43:23):
right path.
And it's super inspiring forother people to listen to this.
Whether they're in the medicalfield or not, you've taken
you've had big balls to makethose brave decisions.
And these, the, these principlesthat you've shared gonna put
stabilizes on other people'scareer paths so that they can
(43:43):
manage it a little bit.
With a bit more confidence fromthat inspiration.
So thank
Tom Youngs (43:47):
you very much.
Thank you, mate.
The offer is always there.
If anyone would ever like toperhaps ask any questions.
Cause I know it is a huge thingplease do feel free to, I'm
always happy to help out
Matt Garrow-Fisher (43:59):
the show.
Yeah.
I'm happy to put.
If you're up for it, like yourcontact details or your LinkedIn
or something on the show notes,
Tom Youngs (44:07):
absolutely love to be able to help out if anyone
would have any questions.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (44:13):
what another inspiring interview.
I really take from that story,the power of testing things out.
If you have an idea of anothercareer that you'd like to do,
going out and gettingexperience, whether that's an
internship contract role,volunteering part-time or
full-time position going on acareer path, you think you might
(44:35):
love is the best way to reallyfind out.
And before that, speaking topeople who are on paths that you
want to be on, like Tom didearly in his career change
journey gives you the confidenceand reassurance and sometimes
the contacts to take that nextstep.
If you want to book a free 20minute consultation with me, if
(44:58):
you're thinking about careerchange, but don't know which way
to go next.
Just go to burn from within.comforward slash call that CA
double L and book a timeconvenient for you.
I can point you to your nextaction step.
And if you want to continue thesupport on your journey, I'll
share options most relevant foryour circumstances on how we can
(45:20):
work together.
And if you're a dentist doctoror someone who relates to Tom's
story, please get in touchdirectly with Tom too.
His contact details can be foundon the show notes to this
episode.
In the meantime, as our lastshow of 2020 live with passion,
purpose, and balance and burnfrom within in 2021.
In this episode, I talked to Tom Youngs
who made the big leap fromsuccessfully starting a career
in dentistry, in awell-respected private practice
in the UK to jumping intoentrepreneurship in tech
startups.
I met Tom over five years ago,or well-respected coach.
I had hired suggested he meetme.
(00:49):
And it was the start of hiscareer change journey.
Five years later, after a fewpivots, I noticed how happy he
was from a LinkedIn postcelebrating, working with his
team in the tech startup world.
So I wanted to find out moreabout how his career change
unfolded.
This episode is particularlyrelevant for people who feel
(01:12):
they have large sunk costs frombeing in a career for years or
spending many years, and a lotof money training in a
profession.
It's also for those whosefamilies are in the same percent
profession as them, Tom ticksall these boxes and came out
successfully in a new career.
He loves in this episode, wediscuss the moment that Tom.
(01:36):
Realized he was not in the rightcareer for him managing his
career transition, working intwo tech startups, while working
at his dental practice lessons,he has learned in hindsight from
making his decision to change incareer.
How Tom knows this is the rightcareer for him now And what's
the one thing that makes TomYoung's burn from within the
(01:59):
full show notes and videos ofother interviews are
available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way throughand enjoy.
You trained, I think in 2009 to2013, you did a biomedical
sciences degree.
Then you did a dentistry degreefor four years after that.
(02:20):
And then went, I'm an associatedentist, a cosmetic dentist.
For most people who are in themedical field that's it for
them.
Isn't it.
It's like I've done all of thistraining.
I've done.
This learning and I'm on thispath now.
What made you start to havedoubts about that path and how
(02:41):
did that start to unfold?
Tom Youngs (02:44):
Yeah.
Quite rightly so you, youmentioned that I had done
actually the two degrees, sodentistry was my PO.
Postgraduate degree.
So I did the, I went the longway round.
I did the proper marathon routesto get my qualification.
So if anything, this looks evenmore it's even more spectacular
taking a leap away from it.
But yeah, I can tell you, I cantell you when one, the day that
(03:09):
I had the.
Probably when it dawned on mewas actually he was one and a
half years after graduating.
So it was in 2014.
And I had gotten myself to aposition where I had actually
managed to get my dream job ayear and a half after
graduating, which is quite wassomething I didn't expect to
actually achieve for aboutanother five years.
(03:31):
So all of a sudden I was sittingin a fully private practice 18
months after, after graduatingand I was seeing Perhaps
sometimes only two to threepatients a day because I was
able to refer procedures that Ididn't like to other clinicians
and I was focusing on the stuffI loved.
So one of us are know sat in mydental practice, in my, in this
(03:53):
room, not too dissimilar to thisfour white walls, quite compact.
And.
I was doing essentially what Ithought I wouldn't be able to do
for another five years.
I thought, where my roadmap formy career.
I would never get to thatposition for at least another
five plus years.
And it, it took me 18 months andit was at that moment when it it
(04:16):
hit me like a train and I wasjust like, Oh, shit.
This is it.
Isn't it.
This is it for 40 years.
And perhaps is, feeling quiteremote maybe in quite a small
town in the middle of thecountry.
Feeling very far removed fromfriends and family and it was
(04:36):
the first time I realized thatfor you to forge a career as a
clinician, you need to stay inone place.
And don't think I'd really everforecasts that in my head.
I'd never really thought forwardabout that.
And then it suddenly hit me.
And that was the moment.
That was the moment when I waslike, I'd had the dream job.
(04:59):
I was working in a greatpractice with a great team.
And I was like, Oh, this is it.
It was a pretty stark awakening.
Hit me quite hard.
So that was the moment that,that was the moment.
So yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (05:14):
It's insane because, you've, you worked so
hard for so many years and youhad that, it was like a.
You said it's a dream job and itwas a target in your mind for a
long time.
If the networking online you didthe Saturday job and you did
everything in your power to get,what was on your, in your
(05:34):
vision.
And then it's just sointeresting that when you're
actually there and sittingthere, that realization came
about I'm curious.
For people that are maybestarting a degree perhaps with
the power of hindsight, whatwould you have done differently
(05:55):
in your degree with thatknowledge now?
And what would you say to peoplewho are starting qualifications
or new career paths with whatyou've with what you've learned
to prevent that realization atsuch a late stage.
Tom Youngs (06:09):
Yeah, I think probably to answer that
question, but I have to lookback at the reasons why, yeah, I
did it in the first place to, ifI can look back in hindsight and
for context.
So I come from a family wherebased in my parents through,
within the medical professionand I grew up with.
A and wider family members aswell.
(06:29):
So my dad, my mum they're bothworked in hospitals.
They're friends, family, allworked in hospitals.
I grew up and it was essentiallythe only thing I knew was
available to me.
Not that.
Not really there wasn't otheroptions, but I think I saw it at
a young age.
I saw my parents life.
If I saw the life that they werevery, I was very fortunate to
receive as one of theirchildren.
(06:51):
And it was a very logicaldecision to me.
I had similar interests, so likemy brother, like my dad, like my
mum, did do have a a naturalinterest in science.
And so it was really just alogical kind of step for me to
take towards that field.
I think the world is differentnow.
I really do think that we are inthis connected hyper-connected
(07:15):
world that we live in wherethere's even.
So when I was making thatdecision, it was 2003 when I was
a 15 year old boy.
Yeah.
Someone that goes into themedical field, you have to make
that decision when you are 15 atleast in the UK, So you make
that decision when you've justdone your GCs.
And when you check those, chooseyour a levels at the age of 15,
(07:38):
that's when you make thatdecision, I want to be a
clinician, which.
In hindsight I don't, Ipersonally don't believe that is
the best way to, to make surethat you have you have
clinicians that are going to befulfilled and prevent things
like prevent circumstances likethis happening, or perhaps
people that maybe actually thatwasn't the right thing for them.
(08:00):
I don't know.
You, do you agree?
Do you think that's that'sprobably one of the.
Probably one of the negativesaround our system and at least
in the UK is that we areexpected to be, to make predict
our future from a young age.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (08:13):
Yeah, I think a lot of the advice that I
give people who are thinkingabout a new career Not
necessarily 15 year olds thatare about to start their a
levels, but it's, it applies toeveryone is to stop testing and
getting experience.
And, you did get experience interms of, when you were doing
your degree and you were doing aSaturday that Saturday job, and
(08:35):
you were getting a feel for.
How it was, but to startchoosing your future and, 40, 50
year future without having anyexperience in terms of what it
would be like to work in adental practice or in the
medical field.
And just on a, I think a lot ofstudents, they might, see the TV
(08:58):
show house or something.
Something like that and getinspired and go, Oh, I want to
do that.
And the reality is probablyquite different to what's in
your mind.
Tom Youngs (09:07):
Yeah.
And I can relate to that becauseI was the same.
I watched it was ER, to ER, WhatI watched.
And yeah, when we talk aboutwork experience, I did work
experience when I was like a 14,15 year old.
I worked as a nurse when I was16 during the summer holidays.
But when it came to dentistry, Ihad I think I have three hours
worth of work experience where Isat in my dentist's surgery for
(09:30):
an afternoon.
And that was what I had made.
That was my decision making atthe time, at the age of, at that
point, I was 20.
And it was like, okay, yeah,it's crazy to look back.
But I think my point was is thatwe were in a much we're in a
much less connected world wherethere was much less information
being readily accessible.
(09:50):
One of the things that I thinkmyself and you.
Probably have kinda Kendredinterests in is obviously
entrepreneurship.
And that's something that Idefinitely think is is a pathway
that is it is more accessible toa younger generation.
Whereas I don't think I think inhindsight, I think it would be
very difficult for me to say Iwould have done anything
(10:11):
differently.
Because of, I think there's justa, from a generational
perspective.
So yeah, I think it's difficultfor me to look back and say,
What would I have done?
Would I have done anythingdifferently?
I think I'd have to stick withwith my answer, which would be
no, I think in my experiencethat I had, so my first degree
gave me a certain set ofexperiences that I learned from
(10:33):
and grew from my second degree.
That taught me that I was.
If I wanted to be, I could beextremely hard working and I can
be successful as well.
So I think I learned a lot fromthose.
And I think that thoseexperiences allow just perhaps
gave me confidence, which I dothink is the value of university
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experience to some people.
Is the, isn't it an ability is.
That gives them an environmentwhere they're out of a comfort
zone of living at home, thatoutside the comfort zone of
being provided for in that, ontheir own two feet.
And some people thrive in theircircumstance.
Some people maybe take a littlebit more time to get into that,
but I definitely think that wasat least my second degree really
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helped.
Give them what, give me and growconfident in my abilities.
If I really wanted to put myhead to something.
So I think that's the, that wasthe benefits of those shoes, the
long way round.
But yeah, I think it's just oneof those things you just Part is
part of my I suppose my kind ofmy life.
And yeah, I don't think I, Iwouldn't be doing what I'm doing
(11:36):
now, which I'm incredibly happyabout and excited about if it
wasn't for those experiences.
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:44):
Let's go back to that moment where you
realized, Whoa, hang on.
I'm going to be doing this for40 years fast forward a bit to
starting to unpack what else youthought you wanted to do?
Because as I said earlier,dentistry, the medical
profession, large sunk costs,difficult to get out Which
(12:07):
directions were you turning to?
Did you have any kind of inklingof what you wanted to do?
And now you're doing your you'rein entrepreneurship and you've
gone, you've worked at variousstartups and.
In, in sales and businessdevelopment and managing teams
and all that kind of stuff, verydifferent to dentistry.
(12:29):
So how did you start getting theideas and the seed for that new
career path?
Tom Youngs (12:35):
Yeah, so I think the most important thing that I did
at that stage was I recognizedthat and this goes back to your
point.
I recognize that I actuallyneeded to make a decision sooner
rather than later.
So I think that the mostimportant thing I did at the
time was I recognized that thisisn't something that I can dwell
on.
(12:56):
This is something that Iactually have to make a decision
relatively fast and the reason,and there are reasons for this,
and this is why go empathizewith anyone going through this
especially within the medicalfield.
There are many things withinthat profession that are holding
on to you.
For the majority of people,those are responsibilities.
(13:16):
So that's basicresponsibilities, whether it's
rent whether it's looking afterkids it's, basis of having an
income.
And the problem with the medicalfield is that as your income
increases, and this is probablyagain, one of the reasons why I
actually left and people do askme about this all the time.
It's the most common question Iget asked is that they're
surprised I left the industrybecause it's such a well-paid
(13:36):
job.
And I completely andwholeheartedly disagree with
that.
And the reason is because as youdevelop as a clinician your
income will go up.
But your expenses as a,especially as a private
clinician.
So your expenses of youroverheads just like they go,
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they're exponential.
So as an example so as an earlyclinician is when you leave
leave the medical fresh and youneed to pay insurance to go to
work and the same for a medic.
Same for dentist.
And as a dentist, when I when Igraduated my first year, I paid
five pounds for my entire annualinsurance fee.
The next year, it goes up to ahundred quid for the year.
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Now the next year they're like,it'll be 500 quid now for your
third year.
And that never stops going up.
I realized that I needed to makea decision sooner rather than
later, because there are withinthe profession each year, each,
or even six months, every sixmonths you stay in it, there
are, you have moreresponsibilities and the harder
(14:38):
it is to get out.
So basically I was like, okay Igot to do this and that's now
whenever I make the jump now.
And so that kind of left a bitof a firearm neath my ass to be
like, okay, this is a timedependent thing, you need to
really make this job.
Now do this now.
So the first thing I did wasrecognized that I needed to make
this decision relatively fast.
And then the next thing waslike, okay, great.
(15:00):
Shit.
What do I do next?
Which is, I think the, yeah, thethe Genesis of that question is
that it is quite all of a suddenyou're in this position where
it's like I've made thisdecision.
I want to do something else.
I don't know what though.
So yeah the, so what I decidedto do was actually based and I
credit a book that I read duringuniversity.
(15:21):
For this.
And I think the main thing thatactually sparked my spot's the
question in my head of is thiswhat I wanted to do for the rest
of my life which was the fourhour workweek by Tim Ferriss,
which I know you're very muchfan of but yeah so I read that
in, in 20, I think 2011.
So I was still at theuniversity.
(15:41):
And I'm sure many of the, yourlisteners are familiar with the
book.
The concept of the book beingthat essentially the.
That we have some very preciouscommodities in life.
And one of those most preciousis time.
And we have a limit.
We have a complete limit on afinite amount of time on this
planet.
And I think that was why when Ihad this realization, when I was
(16:03):
sitting in the dental practice.
Okay, crap, this is it for 40years.
I just have to sit herebasically.
And it was quite, it was themost stressful job I have done.
And I still have back indentistry was always the most
stressful I've ever had to do.
What I made a decision justaround that time.
I sat in that practice was okay.
I remember the four hourworkweek and I've been a huge
fan.
And I was like, is there a way Ican do something entrepreneurial
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within.
Dentistry.
That means I don't have to be aclinician and I can leverage
that the philosophy for, fromthat book, which is to create
some sort of passive incomethrough productizing, so I
embarked on a process ofdesigning some surgical
instruments, with the initialintention was to sell them
within the international dentalmarket.
(16:48):
So these were niche products,which again was one of the
philosophies of the book was tocreate super hyper niche
products.
And it was a niche product thatagain, in the book, Tim
recommends the, or an expert in.
And so here I was I'd S I hadsunk all this effort and
invested all this time andeducation into becoming a nerd,
a topic.
So I was like, this is greatbecause I do think that there is
(17:11):
a need for these types ofinstruments.
I know the I really feel like Ihave a great finger on the pulse
of the that niche.
I was considered probably alittle bit of a thought leader,
a key opinion leader within thatniche.
I was starting to lectureinternationally and spending a
lot of time networking with it.
(17:31):
So I, I saw an opportunity andthat kinda got me a little bit
excited cause I was like, great.
So I actually went through thiswhole process of designing these
surgical instruments with amanufacturer within I think it
was Pakistan.
And back and forth creating thesamples.
And I was like, okay, I'm goingto sink a certain amount of
money into this.
And I got to the point where itwas basically like, okay you've
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designed these, do you wantthem, if you want them, you're
going to have to put in anorder.
And the order was, would havebeen tens of thousands of pounds
to get, that was the initialstartup cost.
Oh, it was like, ah, that point,my, my passion for wanting to be
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in the dental industry wasstarting to wane.
I'm really enjoyed that processof designing stuff, setting up a
company the process of ofstrategizing.
I absolutely loved that.
I was thinking, it was reallygetting my, like my, the light
bulb in my head was.
Properly it all the time about,okay, I can do this.
I was excited about theopportunity to do this and that
(18:35):
and where I can go with it.
And I think that for me, it wasthe real thing that sparked me
was like, okay, I actually, Ilove this process of building
something of trying to buildsomething.
At that point realized I don'twant to be here within this
medical professional anymore,but.
I was obviously a, a fan of TimI'm a fan of some of his
(18:57):
contemporaries and a large partof what they were doing was
angel investing in techstartups.
So I was like, that sounds fun.
Sounds interesting.
Let me look into that.
And at which point I think itwas at that point where I was
like, okay I've done.
I'm doing all these littlethings, got a bit of an idea.
I should probably talk to aprofessional about the fact that
(19:21):
I'm about to make this careerchange choice.
Which was, that was at the pointwhen essentially I met you
through our mutual coach,Michael.
Was, at that time I researchedonline, just looked at the kind
of career change coaches orcareer changed specialists and
found Michael.
I ended up working with him sofor six months so my, myself and
(19:42):
him would meet every couple ofweeks and.
Just for people that are awareof this.
So the way w the way I workedwith Michael at the time,
Michael is a high net worthcoach.
So he works with high net worthindividuals.
At that time I was definitelynot, and I still am not a higher
net worth.
(20:02):
Person.
So the cost to, to buy hiscoaching was significant at the
time.
So I paid at the time I paid3000 pounds for a course of
coaching, which was a lot ofmoney and I had to get that out.
I took that in the form ofcredit.
So I think I paid on Amex.
I bought, I got an Amex card andI dug myself into a little bit
(20:26):
more debt that I probablydidn't.
Want to have, this was a huge,probably crossroads in my life.
And I felt like I shouldprobably, this is may not be the
most, the best use of money, butI felt like I can look back on
it and I'll be like at least Icovered all my bases.
If that makes sense.
(20:46):
And that was at that point, heintroduced me to you.
And and you were meeting withyou and a couple of other people
that Michael put me in contactwith who was probably the, the
real instigator and me feelinglike.
Confident in that.
Okay.
I can do this.
And this is really interestingpath that I could go down and I
(21:07):
felt super inspired by meetingyourself and some others that
I'd met that were doing similarthings working.
That's interesting.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:15):
That's interesting.
That this point about speakingto two different people to, to.
To get inspired and to, starthaving a belief in a certain
career path in startups, inentrepreneurship, in your case,
what was it about speaking topeople and also coaching as
(21:35):
well, that really helped you toknow, first of all, to know that
was the path for you.
And second of all to actuallystart taking action.
On that path.
What was it about thoseconversations with people?
And also,
Tom Youngs (21:54):
I think it's important to probably say at
this stage that despite speakingto you and being inspired by you
and other others at no point,did I feel like I never had the
full a hundred percentconfidence that what I was doing
was the right thing.
Never, I, you always havesomething on one shoulder
(22:15):
telling you, keep on going.
And then the other shoulder,there is someone, something
they're saying, making youquestion things.
And so what, and this is whatMichael was very good at good at
doing.
And helping me with in thatprocess was actually For by
simplifying this essentiallybrainstorming things that I had
passions and interests in andsome level of ability.
(22:37):
Within to dust, putting itreally simply and distilling it
from a number, a lot of hoursspent doing that, but it was a
process where we took our timeand I and working with him was
an understanding of, okay, thereare and lots of potential
options did come up there.
Weren't it wasn't asstraightforward as a, okay.
There's this.
And that's why he was reallyhelpful in directing me to
(22:58):
people like you because So youhad a very different angle and
experience to some of the otherpeople that I met with, even
though you're all doing similarentrepreneurial things.
I think what he wanted to do isjust introduce me to people that
were doing different thingswithin entrepreneurial-ism.
So I could get get a taste forthose different things.
So another guy that I met was aguy called Rob Donovan.
(23:19):
He was a CEO of a essentially astartup accelerator fund.
I think he's now at least the MDof a really successful HR
platform called Charlie thatI've used in startups before.
So he was doing that kind ofthat tech startup world.
And that was.
Eventually the, what pushed medown that, that kind of route
(23:40):
towards working with startupswas actually from, from meeting
him.
Unfortunately at that time itdidn't have the confidence
they're going to do something onmy own.
So it was like, okay, spent nowit's time to spend some time
working in the industry, whichwas within technology and gained
some experience, working withdifferent businesses, different
teams.
And that's where that thatperhaps how that process.
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Process happened.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (24:05):
That kind of gave you the inspiration to go.
Yeah this sounds like somethingI do want to do.
And then you started work instartups and actually, you were
playing on the field, you wereactually in the game Cause it's
a big again, it's it could be abig commitment in terms of a
career path, right?
40 years or even 20 years orwhatever, you're committing to,
(24:27):
to developing this career andthis journey in your life.
So how did you ensure likeconfidence that this
Tom Youngs (24:35):
was a right thing.
So I think It's important tostay.
It's like preface this, but, Ialways knew that I wanted my own
business.
That was something that nomatter what I always wanted to
be my boss, I wanted to own myown business and they mine
organizations.
So that was something thatalways had in the back of my
mind.
And that was one of the reasonsI went to that, that that that
Period of creating and designingmy own business and surgical
(24:58):
instruments and stuff was to getsome experience in that.
But then I was then S courseworkers and I didn't have a
business idea, so I couldn'twork for any, I can start a
business.
I didn't, because I didn't havea business idea.
So the only option for me wasfor me to just really just jump
to for today in into these Intothese organizations and just get
some experience.
So I didn't have complete faiththat this was what I wanted to
(25:21):
do, but what I had faith in wasthe, if I put myself into that
situation, I would at least findout the answer.
So the way I did it was I I wasworking three days a week as a
dentist.
So I was doing Thursdays,Fridays and Saturdays in
Somerset.
And I was doing Mondays,Tuesdays and Wednesdays in
(25:41):
London working for, to to seedstage startups within
accelerated funds within inLondon.
And these are unpaidinternships.
So I was doing three days a weekas an unpaid, as unpaid interns
in two different startups.
One was an advertising startup.
One was a a finance financialservices startup.
And then, yeah, I was doingthree days a week driving out
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Somerset, staying in a hotel fora couple of nights and basically
making it work whilst I gained,tried to gain some experience,
something for a CV so thathopefully I could get myself a
full-time position.
Which is eventually whathappened after about six months.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (26:19):
You were in this transition phase you were
still working in dentistry and,but you're also testing the
ground of this new career.
How was managing that transitioninto a full-time job?
Was it difficult?
Is it something like, thinkthrough the actual transition
period?
Cause that can be quite roughfor some people.
Tom Youngs (26:39):
Oh man.
Absolutely.
And this goes back to my pointearlier about how I recognize
that this was a decision that Ihad to make fast was because I
was at a time in my life where Ihad the absolute the lowest
amount of responsibility I wasgoing to have.
So I didn't have any kids didn'thave any dependents.
Didn't have a mortgage.
Didn't have I was.
Essentially free.
(27:00):
So I was free to do what Iwanted.
So the only thing that I had inmy head was, okay what do I need
to at least maintain my standardof living, which at that point w
which is why it's, this is avery case dependent This is a
really case dependentdiscussion.
And everyone is going to be in adifferent kind of situation.
But the way I did it was that Irecognize that for me to
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maintain my current livingstandards, I would be, I'd be
on, I basically needed to earn30,000 pounds per year.
That's what I was earningworking three days a week as a
dentist.
And then three days a week Icould afford to work unpaid.
And so for six months I was.
Just about making that work.
I was actually fortunate enoughthat during that time I didn't
(27:46):
pay rent because I lived with myauntie.
I did when I moved to London.
Obviously I my aunt and unclewere very very, I was very
fortunate that they allow me tostay there for the six months
whilst I was doing thattransition period.
So it didn't have as much moneyas pay on rent.
So that's what allowed me to dothat.
But it's a really difficult,it's a really difficult thing to
(28:06):
I think each person has to lookat their own circumstance and
what it was a for me was look tothe resources that I had.
So I had family and friends thatI could stay with.
I know I tried to, there was.
I still had to work.
So that was the, the, and it wasbasically what happened was the,
I worked, did that situation forsix, six months and then kept on
(28:28):
applying for jobs, applying forthe full-time jobs within the
tech world.
And then finally someone tookupon and I managed to get a job,
which it was a sales job workingfor a small tech toy startup.
And yeah, it kinda got me, itwas the same, just about the
same salary for just under30,000 years.
So 30,000 pounds a year,including commission.
(28:51):
And that was what really got me,allow me to take that full leap.
Was that was the, when the fulltransition happened but yeah, I
had to be a little bit secretiveof asset because yeah, it would
have affected it would haveaffected my, my, yeah, my
clinical work.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (29:05):
So you got the job at the tech startup and
it was full time.
Now fast forward to now, andyou've actually been in this, on
this path for a few years.
What, I guess with, again, withthe power of fine sight looking
back now and you seem reallyhappy with your career and how
it's going and also aligned aswell.
I get the sense of you're quitealigned with what you're doing
(29:28):
as well with hindsight.
Now, how would you be able toput your finger on why this is
such a good career for you?
Tom Youngs (29:40):
So I've for, again for context, I've recently
launched my business.
Which would like, like Imentioned, it was always my
dream.
So this year we finally wentlive with a business that I'd
been working on for the lastcouple of years.
It's a, an online store forsustainable beauty products
called viable beauty.
And I I co-founded it with oneof my.
(30:03):
Existing colleagues that I alsowork with.
And so you could consider thiskind of like a side hustle at
the moment.
So I have a I have a full-timejob where I work as a a web user
experience expert analyst.
So I work with the likes ofTommy Hilfiger, all of a bonus
to help.
The teams understand how toimprove that websites.
And at the same time I havelaunched my own website.
(30:25):
I'm doing some of the things.
And so both of my jobs are supercomplimentary at the moment.
They've they really complimenteach other very well.
So at the same time, as megetting experienced, working
with all of these hugebusinesses and huge
organizations, I'm also at themoment, having a lot of fun
building my own thing.
So I'm really yeah, reallyreally liking really enjoying
that.
I don't know how it's turned outthat way, but I think that what
(30:49):
I did was I I really understoodthat there was, at that time of
career change, I recognized thatthe two biggest things I
recognize were was one that thisis a decision that is time
dependent.
And I can't dwell on this.
And I, it has to be, it has tobe something that the longer I
keep it, the harder this is, I'mgoing to make this whole
process.
And then the second thing wasjust make sure you've.
(31:13):
Covered all bases.
But so now I'm in this fulfill,like I'm in a really good place
now where I'm developing as a asa web specialist as well as
having the, all of the joys andpressures and stress, but fun
build a mind thing, which.
Absolutely.
So yeah, I've I feel like I'venaturally just gotten to this
(31:33):
position where I'm superfortunate that things are come
to where is probably, yeah.
W it just fits with mypersonality and really really
feel like I've yeah, go somegreat direction, which is what I
was looking for.
All those years ago when Iinitially spoke to you.
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:51):
Being in business development and sales
for many years now in, in thisspace, in the tech space,
Tom Youngs (31:57):
I can
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:57):
tell Tom you're a confident guy.
You're great at networking.
You're great with people.
Do you feel that those skillsand talents, would say you're in
flow when you're using thosethose natural talents.
Do you think that in dentistrythat they perhaps what may be
were underutilized, in thisclinic and in Somerset and
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thinking about that point, ifthat is true Do you feel that's
an important factor in lookingfor and testing new careers?
Like just being aware of thosekinds of innate abilities and
natural talents or things thatyou're uniquely good at?
Tom Youngs (32:38):
Yeah.
I think if I look back to thatpoint, when when I was making, I
made that decision that I wantedto go into another career when
it hit me like a truck, part ofthat was as well was I was
feeling very stifled as a justas a person.
Being a clinician is reallytough because you.
You never really able to beyourself.
(33:00):
You have to constantly have thisthis professional mask on and
not afraid to say it.
I'm a guy that loves theoccasional swear word.
I'm I have a pretty bad sense ofhumor.
And I found it really stifling.
I found it really hard that Icouldn't really, I couldn't be
myself and.
(33:21):
That was probably the bestfeeling was in that first job
that I had working in this kindof like really smaller little
compact tech company, which waslike a big family, 30 people.
And all of a sudden it's likesomeone literally just popped
this bubble and it was, Oh myGod, there's the rest of the
world.
It's, that's how it felt.
It genuinely felt.
And.
(33:42):
That job for, I had it for twoyears was just really made me
feel like I know I've, it mademe feel a couple of things.
It made me feel like shit, Ireally have started from
scratch.
That was the one thing.
It was like, it was, Oh my God.
Now all of this effort and thissunk cost and all of this
education that you've done forlike nearly nine years, It means
(34:06):
nothing.
And so that was that was onerealization that, okay, you
really are starting from thebottom.
But the second one was just thisfulfilling a freedom just
genuinely that's how I can thisis the best way I could describe
it, like someone and just bursthis bubble.
And all of a sudden the rest ofthe world was there and open to
me.
Whereas this might be somethingthat the other people are
(34:30):
listening to medical in themedical field.
I'm sure.
Other fields as well, very muchfeels like this bubble that you
are trapped, not trapped, butonce I was able to be out the
outside of it, I could see a lotclearer.
And I was just like, happy.
I was just like, Oh my God,here's everyone else.
(34:51):
I know it was meeting peoplelike you.
And it was so exciting.
That was like, that was probablyone of the things, which is no,
you are doing the right thing.
And yeah, and I know I have alot of people that did the, when
they hear that I made that joke.
They do, they're like you prettybrave.
You're like really brave thatyou made this this jump.
And yeah, it was a really super,super tough thing, but there
(35:14):
were a time there was, unless Istill have this, but yeah, it
was really feeling like here'sthe rest of the world that
isn't, that was anoverwhelmingly.
Positive feeling tough.
So that's really what like gaveme the yeah, give me the feeling
that I was doing the rightthing.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:29):
Yeah.
It's what I find reallyinteresting about you Tom is
just how determined you were tofind this a path that would work
for you.
Like you spent six months withour coach really
Tom Youngs (35:43):
exploring all
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:44):
these different options, speaking to
so many different people.
You were working two, three jobsat one point to tech startups
and the dentistry.
Lot of sacrifices with a lot ofunknowns as well, but there's
something that was driving youin through that whole process
of.
I can make this work or Ithere's there was something in
(36:05):
you that was driving you toactually do this.
What was your, what was youraim?
What were you going for?
Was it happiness?
Was it fulfillment?
Was it freedom?
What, when what do you think itwas that actually drove you?
Cause there's a lot of people.
Would not do what you've done.
I have to say they, theywouldn't, either their family
might have been in the medicalprofession and they, then that's
(36:28):
an excuse of, Oh, I have to bein this profession, even if I
don't like it, or, they've hadthose sunk costs of training and
they're like, I can't get itback now.
But there was something in youthat was like, I've got to do
something different because ofwhat was that?
What was that?
Driving force that difference.
That makes a difference betweenyou and someone that is in a
(36:50):
career that just is notfulfilling them.
Tom Youngs (36:53):
Yeah, I think I think because I had those
experiences of working in apractice and working as a as a
clinician It really started me.
It started getting me questedfor the first time questioning.
Okay.
But being a bit more philosophyphilosophical.
So asking those questions okaywill, am I happy?
Am I fulfilled?
Am I excited?
Am I yeah.
(37:15):
All of those things that youmentioned and.
It was the first time I'd donethat I haven't, literally had
spent Hamad myself a night, nineyears straight exams, and I
never had the chance to take astep back, take a breath and be
like, okay, what is it actuallythat it isn't.
And yeah, I have to look back atthe four hour work week for
(37:35):
being the, the first thing thatreally.
Made me start thinking aboutthat.
And again, the most around thetime being super precious and as
well as health.
So like health is something thatI consider probably up there as
my biggest priorities is withouthealth time means nothing.
Times nothing.
Those are the two biggestpriorities in my life.
(37:56):
So that's what w helped me hasnow helped me guide me to be
like, okay what are the thethings in life that are gonna
allow you?
What kind of path is going toallow you to have peak up peak
happiness peak health peak timefreedom.
And this was part of exactly whymeeting you were so good.
And why Michael wanted us to beintroduced to this was that you
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helped help me appreciate that.
That was possible.
But yeah, that was there.
It was all of those things.
It was just like, okay, I wantto be healthy.
I want to be have freedom or tobe financially free.
I want to be fulfilled, but Ialso recognize that I really do
enjoy working hard.
So that's something that, that Iwas like, ah, I love chat.
I love challenging myself.
(38:37):
The journey was just test tryingstuff out and testing stuff out.
And yeah, I feel like I've hadthe chance to do that.
But yeah, that's I questionthose things all the time and
it's funny cause we're startingthat time between Christmas and
new year at the moment whereI've spent the last couple of
days really starting to thinkabout think about what my goals
(38:58):
for next year are going to be.
And yeah, this it's just keepit, put it into the base, strip
it down to the basics.
What is my health going to be?
What do I want my health to looklike?
What do I want my what did I,what do I want my relationships
to look like?
What do I want my happiness tolook like?
And the, the answer is justcoming up with some sort of a
strategy that helps you.
(39:20):
Make sure you take all of thoseboxes.
So that's what I'm working on.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:24):
Yeah.
Zooming out of your life ratherthan being caught up in it and
looking at the bigger picture,looking at, Hey, what is
actually important to me?
Health is important.
Okay.
And freedom is important to youand running your own business
and all of those kinds ofthings.
And so you, you sat, as yousaid, you sat plan to, to at
(39:47):
least move in that direction.
So you
Tom Youngs (39:49):
have more chance
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:50):
of being able to fulfill all of those
highest priorities in your life,and then testing, testing things
out until you, like you're onnow this career path that you're
really happy with my finalquestion, Tom.
I call someone that's burningfrom within someone that's
pretty living with passion.
They're passionate about whatthey do.
They have a purpose, they have areal meaning in their work or in
(40:13):
their life.
And they and they have balanceas well.
And they balance time for theircareer for their family.
For.
Whatever's important to themhealth.
You mentioned as well, so havingpassion, purpose, and balance is
a magic formula for burning fromwithin not burning out and
hating your career, butactually, having the fuel inside
(40:35):
you to keep going and lovinglife, what would you say is the
one thing that's made thebiggest difference for you, Tom,
to burn from within.
Tom Youngs (40:44):
I think I wouldn't be being able to answer this
question a year ago.
If I'm going to be completelyhonest with you the, I think
purpose has been, is the mostfor me at the moment is the kind
of the leading light in that in,in that triangle.
And that comes from that kind ofthat deep.
Ambition to start my ownbusiness.
(41:07):
And I have I feel really proudthat I've managed to launch a
business, which I feel is aimingtowards something that is
virtuous.
And that has that I can't tellyou how much that inspires me.
And but I didn't have that, lastyear didn't have that.
And I definitely I wouldn't havebeen able to answer that
question.
If you had asked me ask me now,I think I was still in a
(41:29):
searching kind of within thesearching phase, but now I do
really feel like I'm at a pointwhere I've got something that I
can focus on something that isfulfilling and virtuous, and I'm
having a lot of fun, loads offun doing it.
And it's never hard work, whichis, that's the thing that
everyone always.
Bangs on about, is it dosomething that doesn't feel like
(41:50):
work and it's I've never, I'dnever found that.
And so now I've got a little bitof a taste of it and, sure.
There's, I'm having to do stuffthat I don't always enjoy, but
I'm still finding this this, thechallenge of doing learning lots
of different, new thingslearning lots of stuff.
That's the thing that, thatkeeps me from, kids who burning
from within is just the constantpursuit to learn.
(42:12):
Yeah, that's probably it
Matt Garrow-Fisher (42:15):
love it.
Absolutely love it.
Yeah.
And yeah, I think, takingyourself back to, after you read
the four hour work week,there's, there was always this
purpose of entrepreneurship and,wanting to run your own
business.
And so that was the underlyingpurpose of huge direction of
your life actually.
Which kind of, you're like,okay, how do I do this tech
(42:37):
startups?
Who can I speak to?
Where, who can I work forgetting the right skills to to
have that confidence.
And now you're running aroundbusiness and that, and now it's
almost like your you're diggingdeeper into that purpose of
okay, now I'm running my ownbusiness.
What's the, what is the purposethat I really want to Explore in
that business.
And that's the fuel for you?
(42:58):
I love it.
Thank you so much, Tom wasreally sharing like your mindset
of when you transition yourcure, your decision behind it,
how you managed your transitioninto that career.
Things you think about now withhindsight that you might not
have thought about before andand really what's helped you be
happy to be fulfilled in yourcareer and know that this is the
(43:23):
right path.
And it's super inspiring forother people to listen to this.
Whether they're in the medicalfield or not, you've taken
you've had big balls to makethose brave decisions.
And these, the, these principlesthat you've shared gonna put
stabilizes on other people'scareer paths so that they can
(43:43):
manage it a little bit.
With a bit more confidence fromthat inspiration.
So thank
Tom Youngs (43:47):
you very much.
Thank you, mate.
The offer is always there.
If anyone would ever like toperhaps ask any questions.
Cause I know it is a huge thingplease do feel free to, I'm
always happy to help out
Matt Garrow-Fisher (43:59):
the show.
Yeah.
I'm happy to put.
If you're up for it, like yourcontact details or your LinkedIn
or something on the show notes,
Tom Youngs (44:07):
absolutely love to be able to help out if anyone
would have any questions.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (44:13):
what another inspiring interview.
I really take from that story,the power of testing things out.
If you have an idea of anothercareer that you'd like to do,
going out and gettingexperience, whether that's an
internship contract role,volunteering part-time or
full-time position going on acareer path, you think you might
(44:35):
love is the best way to reallyfind out.
And before that, speaking topeople who are on paths that you
want to be on, like Tom didearly in his career change
journey gives you the confidenceand reassurance and sometimes
the contacts to take that nextstep.
If you want to book a free 20minute consultation with me, if
(44:58):
you're thinking about careerchange, but don't know which way
to go next.
Just go to burn from within.comforward slash call that CA
double L and book a timeconvenient for you.
I can point you to your nextaction step.
And if you want to continue thesupport on your journey, I'll
share options most relevant foryour circumstances on how we can
(45:20):
work together.
And if you're a dentist doctoror someone who relates to Tom's
story, please get in touchdirectly with Tom too.
His contact details can be foundon the show notes to this
episode.
In the meantime, as our lastshow of 2020 live with passion,
purpose, and balance and burnfrom within in 2021.
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