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June 26, 2025 48 mins

Kevin Kelly is a leading thinker of the digital age. The founding editor of Wired Magazine, he helped produce the Whole Earth Catalog, and an early internet pillar called the WELL. He is a journalist, an artist, and a longtime member of the Burning Man community.

He is a radical optimist.

The future is a construct of the collective imagination. We see utopian stories as too pie-in-the-sky. We have a morbid curiosity for dystopian stories. What’s in between? Iterative improvement. Protopia.

Delve into this conversation on cultural narratives, the transformative potential of AI, and the context shift into lifelong-learning.

"It’s not that our problems are smaller than we thought, it’s just that our capacities to solve them are greater than we thought."

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