November 15, 2023 • 31 mins
Have you ever pondered over the mysterious world of hormones and their correlation with breast cancer? Prepare to be enlightened as we journey with Dr. Jeffrey Brown in this episode, exploring hormone balance, testing methods, and the often underappreciated Dutch Test that can help identify any imbalances. We underscore the cruciality of understanding your hormone levels, which is unfortunately often sidelined in conventional medicine.
Unravel the complex interplay between iodine, bromine, gut and breast health, and the implications of iodine deficiency. We delve into the importance of a holistic view of your health, going beyond just a TSH test. Additionally, Dr. Brown brings out the significance of exercise, sweating, and oxygen for women's health, while also shedding light on the controversy surrounding hot flash treatments. Discover the critical need to avoid chemicals in products and prioritize health with time blocking and scheduling. With Dr. Brown's insight, you might just rethink your health approach.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey there and welcome to Bustin Out of Breast Cancer,
the podcast that educates,empowers and inspires those
impacted by breast cancer.
I'm your host, shannonBurroughs, a realtor who found
her purpose at the intersectionof passion and pain while
navigating her own breast cancerjourney and loves giving back
to the community.
Having worked with many breastcancer survivors and families, I
understand the challenges theyface and the importance of
raising awareness about thisdisease and bridging the gap
(00:23):
between the medical and fitnessindustries.
Join us as we share stories ofsurvivors, caregivers and
healthcare professionals who aremaking a difference in the
fight against breast cancer.
Our goal is to raise awareness,provide resources and create a
community of support for thoseaffected by this disease.
I have a mission of changingthe world one smile at a time.
So, whatever you're whetheryou're a breast cancer survivor,
a loved one, a friend or justinterested in learning more this
(00:44):
podcast is for you.
Let's bust out a breast cancertogether and make a difference
in the lives of those affectedby this disease.
I am super, super, super excitedto have our guests on today.
This is Dr Jeffrey Brown, andwe go back to our kids actually
being in gymnastics together.
He is local here in the PalmBeach County area.
So, those of you that are inthe area, you will be able to
(01:06):
see him for any visits, if needbe.
Otherwise, you'll be able toreach him on his YouTube channel
and I'll put all of his contactinformation into the show notes
.
But meanwhile we're going todiscuss something super, super
important, which is our hormonesand breast cancer and how we
can test those right.
So welcome, jeff.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, thank you for having me, shannon, it's good to
see you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You too.
So let's talk about I know I'vetalked about on my podcast
before in several episodes I'vetalked about when I know I was
getting diagnosed.
Actually my body was totallyoff.
I knew something was wrong.
I knew I was going intoparamedopause, so I knew my
hormones were totally out ofwhack.
And I said to my doctor, who waslike an emergency doctor I was
like I just want you to test myhormones.
(01:46):
And he was like, well, we needto do a woman's wellness exam.
And I'm like, yeah, but you'renot going to do that.
You're going to have somefemale in your office do it
because you're weird and creepy,and so that's fine.
My OB had just passed away frombrain cancers, unfortunately
the month before.
So I was like let's get totesting the hormones.
And we didn't even actually getto the part of testing the
hormones because through thewoman's wellness exam is where
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they found my breast cancer.
So honestly, I still haven'teven gotten that result.
I need to get back to that.
But let's talk about why it'sso important to test the
hormones, how one would go aboutthat and how much you can
really dive deep and educate ourlisteners here.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, there's a lot there.
There's a lot to unpack, so Iwill, there you go, all right.
So if you need to interrupt me,please interrupt me, because
this is something that is so keybecause it's just not done well
or it's not done appropriately.
You know, I've always said thatwomen's health you guys kind of
get the shorting to stick youroptions.
(02:43):
Typically if you see your OBGYNor your primary care doc, if
you're having issues, it's justgo on birth control and a
depressants or surgery and thenyou kind of left like that's it.
There's no other options foryou guys than doing that route.
So I've heard patients beforethat say hey, I asked my doctor
to run my hormone panel and Ialways say to them what are you
looking for?
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Do you know what you're lookingfor?
Because everybody's hormonesare going to be in a so-called
normal range for 99% of thecases.
So really the question is aremy hormones in balance?
And in the conventionalmedicine spectrum they're not
trained to balance hormones.
That's why their only optionreally is to put you on birth
control.
So even though your hormonesmay be in balance, your labs are
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going to come back within theso-called normal range and
that's really not going to help.
So you really need to work withsomeone who knows what they're
doing and looking for.
When you're looking at yourhormones and so that's why I say
that and it's a very commonthing, like especially when they
hit 40, 45, they know they'renot feeling as well.
It says it's got to be myhormones, so let me get my
hormones checked, but they don'treally know what they're
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looking for.
What does that mean when you'relooking at your hormones?
Because there's three differentestrogens estrone, estradiol,
estriol.
You have progesterone, you havetestosterone, and all those
levels need to be in theappropriate balance and optimal
levels.
And if you don't know that,you're going to leave their
feeling like, ok, they told memy hormones are fine, but I know
(04:07):
I don't feel well, so now whatare my options?
So be careful when you'reasking for that question and go
to write people who know how toreally balance your hormones.
And that just being theso-called reference range
because a reference range is sowide, it doesn't mean that
that's you, that as far as whereyour ranges are going to be.
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So, that's so crucial.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And getting to the root of why that hormone is out
of balance, whether whateverthat pathway is for that.
So I did have you heard of theDutch test?
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes, I was going to go into that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
OK, so I did that and I'm a hot mess.
I have like 0.7 estrogen, 0.4progesterone and I have a
plethora of cortisol sprinkledwith a little bit of
testosterone.
That's special right.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So my friend, dr Tatiana Habanova, who has been
on here before, she actuallygave me the Dutch test, but she
was explaining to me that youreally need to get down into the
pathways of why that particularhormone is out of whack.
So let's go into that, can we?
No, no, don't go.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh yes, so the dust chest is really important for
looking at how your hormones arebeing metabolized, you know.
So when you're looking at thattest, you're looking at it for a
number of reasons.
So one, you kind of get a senseof okay, my hormones are low,
are they, you know, so-calledmedium, or are they really, you
know, optimal?
So that's one way of looking,you know, at your hormones.
But the other way that I lookat it is, most importantly
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really is, you know, looking atbreast cancer prevention, and
then you can do this test too asfar as looking at how are your
hormones being metabolized.
And so if you understand thatyou know initially, that tells
you, okay, it's my risk forestrogen-related cancers, you
know, at a higher rate.
So your estrogen is metabolizeddown three different pathways.
You know your two hydroxy, yourfour hydroxy and 16 hydroxy.
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So, depending upon your age andyour numbers, there's an
expected value and then we have,you know, the patient's value,
whatever your value is.
And so this is a very importanttest that most people are not
getting done because, again,it's not done in the
conventional manner.
It's usually people who areexperienced with hormones, those
of us in the functionalmedicine space.
And so you metabolize.
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You can't run through blood, soyou know it has to be done
through the urine test, soyou're not going to be able to
get it done.
You know, typically at a questor lab core has to be done with
companies who know how to chestyour metabolites.
So if you can look at yourratios and looking at which way
your hormones are beingmetabolized, you can safely say
that, okay, I'm going down theright pathway here, and then
even a step further, looking athow your body is methylating,
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which is another way of saying,okay, what is the metabolism,
what is the mechanisms for howmy body can detoxify?
You know my hormones andestrogen, you know.
So it's a very important testwhen you're looking at those
numbers.
So not just about what yourlevels are, but how are you
metabolizing your estrogen.
So if it's not going on theright way, there's a number of
things that can cause that youknow.
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One is you know, of course,everybody deal with stress, you
know.
So how are you dealing withyour stress?
So I spent most of my time withpatients talking about what are
we doing with stress and howcan we manage stress better.
What are we doing on a regularbasis to what I call go into a
more of a parasympathetic state.
You're right, that's prayingand meditating and journaling
and gratitudes and laughter andall those things, and make it a
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priority for people to do,because most people don't do
that, they don't make a point ofit.
I make sure that it's on yourcalendars, it's part of your
to-do list for the day, sowhatever else is in there, those
things have to be there as well, because managing your stress
and managing cortisol is key tohealth.
So you know people who drink toomuch caffeine you know that can
influence.
You know your pathways.
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You know too much processedfood can influence.
You know those pathways.
Having too much, you know fat,obesity that can influence that,
which is why it's important toreally exercise.
And you know, look at our dietand sugar intake, et cetera.
Gut health that's one of theareas that I focus on a lot with
women, because I see that a lotof times, if you're not
metabolizing hormones correctly,oftentimes you don't have good
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gastrointestinal health, youknow.
So one of my first questions isyou know how often are you
going to the bathroom?
And it's amazing how manypeople don't have regular bowel
movements.
Well, that influences how yourbody is getting rid of estrogen
right, because you have toexcrete your estrogen.
So if you're not pooping on aregular basis, that means that's
being recirculated and that canlead to estrogen dominance and
you got more toxins and thingsin our system.
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And so I always make sure youhave to poop.
We have to detoxify.
If we're not detoxifying,you're increasing your risk and
what I like to do is all aboutprevention, you know.
So we can do things to beproactive.
You know, with our health, tome that's more important than
all.
Right now we have to treatsomething because we weren't
proactive in the first place.
But the Dutch test is reallycrucial and there's a couple of
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tests out there, but the Dutchtest probably does the best job
as far as marketing goes.
So we know that test very well.
I think most people arefamiliar with that and if you're
not familiar with it, I reallyadvise you to do that by a
practitioner who does it,because it really could be a,
you know, crucial point inunderstanding where you are in
your health right now, so youcan make the steps to improve
your health.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And, like you said, they can't go to just a
traditional doctor to get thisDutch test because they're going
to be like I don't know, justwe'll just give you a pill,
we'll fix it with the pill,we'll do this.
So they just would reach out tosomebody like you and I'm not
sure I think I may have passedthat at the beginning of this,
when I was interviewing you, Ithink I totally forgot to say
what you specialize in.
I just was talking about thatyou live in locally.
So Jeff specializes inosteopathic, manipulative
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therapy, homeopathic andregenerative medicine, as well
as functional medicine.
In case you didn't pick that upin these first few minutes, so,
yes, super important.
He covers everything, all thebases, but obviously you know,
based on the topic of thispodcast, we wanted to really
dive deep into this.
So I'm glad you are ready andwilling and able to get into the
Dutch test and talk about allthe pathways that go along with
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that it's.
You mentioned to me how youwere talking about how doctors
typically just want to put youon birth control, and it's so
frustrating to me because I lookat that as like well, I feel
like you're just adding fuel tothe fire at that point.
Right, it's like so kind ofproductive.
I'm like I can look back and belike I feel like my breast
cancer was from going throughIVF treatment and then, had I
known I was going to have issuesgetting pregnant, why would I
(10:21):
have been on birth control forso long?
As a teenager, you know, I havea 15, almost 16 year old and
she's like mom, do I need to beon birth control soon?
I was like no, no, no, no youdo not slow your roll.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yes, so it's so scary .
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I'm like you're just going to give a birth control to
a child who doesn't know anydifferent, for the purpose of,
obviously, if you're sexuallyactive, but without thinking
about the ramifications of likeyou're putting these hormones
into your body.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I mean it's sad .
You know I always said and Ibelieve this being in the
medical profession as long as Ihave been you know the
information that you'rereceiving is not necessarily for
the health of our patient baseis that money fuels a lot of
this, and so when they havestudies out there, you don't
know who's funding these studies.
If you speak with mostpractitioners, they'll tell you
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birth control is completely safe.
There's no issues with that,even though there's quite a few
studies.
You really start diving into itthat will say you know
otherwise.
You know, and often again, youknow, like I said, you know
women get the PMS.
So you know severe cramps andpain and or migraines and
headaches and you know it canjust wipe you out Like you can't
go to work, you can't go toschool, you're in tears.
(11:30):
You know, and their option isokay, we'll take this birth
control.
You know, without reallylooking at okay, well, why are
we having this issue in thefirst place?
You know what's going on with,why aren't we doing this, and so
that's why I said you know guthealth is very important.
Iodine is very important.
You know iodine getting from.
You know seafood and sushi andseaweed.
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You know iodine plays a role inbreast health, you know, and
with your periods, you know.
And unfortunately you know ifyou do the research, you know a
lot of people are actually notoptimal to the fish and iodine.
You know a lot of people arescared of salting their food, so
you don't, you know, salt yourfood, so that's where they get a
good source of iodine.
Some people hate fish.
They're not eating enough greenvegetables, so bromine is very
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common in our breads and pastasand you know a lot of people in
America love their breads andpasta and bromine competes with
iodine, so you got another, youknow source of competition, so
you're not getting your iodine,you know there.
So those are things that canlead to iodine deficiency, which
can lead to some of our healthissues because we're not getting
the appropriate.
You know iodine levels, soiodine number one is thyroid
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health.
We think about iodine andthyroid, but number two is
breast health, where they haveconcentrations of high
concentrations of iodine, youknow, in the breast tissue, you
know in our thyroid, and theywill compete with each other as
far as getting enough iodine sothey can do what they need to do
.
So if there's not enough to goaround, well, then you can
suffer from both.
You know low thyroid.
And how many women you knowthey have great energy and most
women that I meet they're tired.
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Well, that could be thyroid.
And then again you want to haveyour thyroid level checked and
you go to conventional world.
Most of them are only running aTSH.
They don't even do a fullthyroid panel Right To see.
Okay, truly, is my thyroidworking?
You know appropriately.
You know.
So again, you know, going tosomeone who really takes a
holistic view of you as aindividual is so important.
(13:17):
So they were not missinganything.
You don't want to mask you with.
You know why are you tired?
Well, you probably just stress,right, I've heard that before.
I was like, yeah, I've got adifferent doctor.
They say, okay, it's all in myhead, maybe I'm depressed
because of the symptom ofdepression.
Well, you're probably depressed.
And so here, try to stay on thepresent and, you know, go on
your way.
So it gets very frustratingwith, I can imagine, as a
consumer, because you get mixedmessages.
(13:38):
You know they're telling youit's safe and they're telling
you that, no, it's not safe.
And then so where do you go asa consumer?
Who do you believe?
You know at the end of the day,like who do you believe you
left, like okay, what do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Right, and that's especially true when you know
you're diagnosed with any cancer.
I don't care if it's breastcancer or whatever cancer, like
anything you're diagnosed with,you're like okay, well, I know,
your body's not meant to justbreak down like that.
Your body's breaking down forsome reason.
Well, what is that reason?
And unfortunately, doctors goto school to say, okay, here's
the problem, oh, let's go tothis book, here's a solution.
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It's like.
It's like gamified right.
Like oh, we made a match.
We made a match.
You know like that works.
You know, I look at all thesepeople that are like on all
these different medications.
I'm like, for some reason Ifeel like that has to be like
counterproductive, like are youreally sure you should be taking
all of those?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, I know, I see.
Yes, you're just taking thispill because this pill gave you
a side effect and you reallydidn't go through the root of
the cause.
For why am I taking this?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
you know, in the first place we really
investigate, like you know, whythat is I literally went to go
visit my friend this weekend whojust went through a bone marrow
transplant, and the amount ofmedications on the table.
She's like, yeah, I have totake like 33 pills in the
morning, like 16 at lunch, and Iwas like what?
I'm like how can that be goodfor you?
She's like, well, this oneprotects the liver and this, I
mean, it's a bone marrowtransplant.
(14:54):
I get that.
That's a really, really bigdeal.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But like.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I mean, I'm like holy cow, like how did how does the
body even like know to likemetabolite, like what's going
where?
You know what I mean.
Like if you take black charcoal.
If you're taking black charcoalto like to clear out your
system, we're not gonna takevitamins at the same time you're
taking black charcoal, becausethen it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's crazy that's insane.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, the fact that you just told me that I should
go eat more sushi, I'm good,we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So let's, let's say somebody's listening to this and
they're like you know what I?
I already had diagnosed withbreast cancer, like I'm.
I'm think it's great that wetalked about being preventative,
but like moving forward, how doI, you know, set myself up for
success in not having areoccurrence?
Oh, oh very good.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, first thing definitely is you know, do the
dust test.
You know, look in, see howthose hormones and be
metabolized.
You know what?
Was that an issue there?
Second is, you know really whatI call do some introspective
Learning about yourself.
You know what I find.
You know, in these scenariosthere's a lot of.
You know we also have a lot ofbaggage.
(16:03):
You know that we are, you know,brought up with the blood out,
the paradox.
You know, if you listen, peoplelike Joe Dispenso or dr Bruce
Lipton.
You know I was talking about.
What is that, that baggage thatwe are brought up with?
You know things that we'vewe've heard and seen and you
know things that Can impact us.
You know you emotionally, youknow people that may.
Is there's somebody you haveresentment towards, is their
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anger, is there frustration?
But really, you know, look atthat.
You know, and and if there'ssomething that you can identify,
really conquer that, you know,get develop piece is what I'm
trying to go to.
It's like have some peace.
You know there's there's a lotof people out there that just
struggling with things, theyjust don't have peace, they
don't love themselves.
That there's, I see that a lotwhere people just don't have a
conference with themselves andso and that really, you know,
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those are the things you'rereleasing a lot of negative
chemicals If you, if you thatspace in a regular basis, so
that those negative chemicalsthat you keep releasing every
single day because you're angryor you're hurt or you just, you
know, holding this grudge orwhatever like that, those are
things that's not gonna help you.
Next you're from my favoritenutrients vitamin D.
You know I always tell peoplelike, look, get your vitamin D
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levels, check, because thatnutrient has been shown in
different studies.
When it's done Right, you know,I think the numbers almost 77%
of all cancers wouldn't exist ifpeople had optimal vitamin D
levels.
And I've looked at that overthe years with patients who had
a history of cancer and I'velooked at their vitamin D levels
and they're always low, they'realways suboptim, you know, but
they don't push that, you know.
(17:27):
So get out in the sun, you know, at least 15 minutes a day, 20
minutes without sunscreen.
Like, do what you can and makesure your levels are between 60
and 80.
That's a sweet spot when itcomes to vitamin D, and most
people are not there unlessyou're supplementing every now
and then.
There's an exception.
I may find one person you knowoh wow, you're not taking
anything and your levels are inthat range.
It's 60 80 range, but mostpeople aren't and that's the
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range you need to be in Now.
If you go to your doctor andthey run it now, so everything
looks good, You're normal.
Well, they're the range, ornormal range.
I'm saying normal range is from30, okay, 30, you know, to 100,
60 to 80 is a sweet spot.
So if you're at 31, 35, 40,they'll tell you it's good,
that's not protective.
That's maybe protective againstrickets, but we're talking
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about really brain health.
We're talking about immunehealth.
We're talking about fightingcancer, anti-inflammatory,
autoimmune disorders.
Get that vitamin D level upbetween 60 and 80.
That is a sweet spot.
So that would be.
The other thing I recommend isdefinitely, you know, get your
vitamin Ds levels checked.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And most people are deficient in vitamin D anyway
right.
So again most people aredeficient in vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, yeah, most are deficient and that's why it's
not routinely.
You know order.
You know every now and thenI'll see people who have it on
there, but it's not routinelyordered, unfortunately.
But again, that's why I saidthat is something that could
prevent a lot of cancer and weknow that cancer treatment is a
big money maker for companies inthis country.
So I hate saying it.
It is, it's, it's.
You know, people say they'relooking for a cure and I'm like
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telling people say there's curesout there, you're never gonna
see it, that's my money I'msorry, oh, don't even get me
started.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, don't even get me started, I don't even.
Yes, we're gonna just we'regonna.
This is my last one, I stopraising money for and I am a
very huge fundraiser, I lovesupporting nonprofits,
especially breast cancer.
I have raised a shit ton ofmoney for making strides over
the last several years.
Covid hit and I'm telling you,is if you came out with a COVID
(19:15):
jab overnight and you can't comeup with a cure for breast
cancer.
That's why I was like I'm done.
I am done.
I want nothing to do withraising money for research,
because it's bullshit and I willonly do for breast cancer at
the HopeLodge or drive peoplelike I want hands on.
I want to know that I've made adifference.
I don't want it to go somewherebecause there's far too many
companies out there doingresearch.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Oh, yeah, and there should be something.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay, I'm off my soapbox Carry on.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, no, no, that's why I said I'm done with that.
So, anyway, being proactivewith your health is really the
key to it.
So someone that has a breastcancer that's why I said the
stress, reducing activities andreally looking at yourself and
vitamin D, iodine.
Also high dose melatonin Ifyou're working with someone who
knows about that, melatonin isalso very protective for the
breast tissue.
So high dose melatonin could befive, 10, 15, 20 milligrams of
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melatonin a night can also beprotective and also help you
fighting cancer.
It's so key.
So those are the ones.
Magnesium, yeah, I mean there'sa lot of important nutrients
that are there but those are theones that really target and
protect the breast tissues theiodine, vitamin D, melatonin
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We've seen studies on that, that, how it can neutralize cancer.
It can slow down or stop theprogression of cancer for those
who have it.
Sweating, exercise that's whyone of the reasons why exercise
is so important getting thoseendorphins up, because, again,
that's a natural painkiller, butit's also the endorphins.
They also work on the immunesystem.
So that's why you see, some ofthese alternative clinics will
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have these hypothermias wherethey're getting your temperature
up, sweating, and getting thattemperature up is very important
Getting the oxygen?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
How flashes are included in that?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No, okay, yeah no, not in this scenario, but
unfortunately.
Yeah there's a whole anotherrealm that you guys have to deal
with and unfortunately a lot ofwomen suffer from that
unnecessarily because they don'tknow where do you go with that
right, this controversy andtreating hot flashes.
That's why I said there's somuch that we could talk about on
women's health, becauseunfortunately it's really not
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done very well that I would saythat in the conventional realm.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I concur we're gonna come back in one second.
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Okay.
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
Welcome back.
We're still here with Dr JeffBrown.
We're still talking aboutwomen's health, breast health
and all of the things we can doto prevent and also to make sure
that we don't have anyreoccurrence, talking about some
different options for vitaminsand supplements and things like
that, obviously as well asexercising and you know I'm
super passionate about that andwe just got done talking about
(23:15):
the importance of vitamin D, andI have to laugh, because when
you tested my husband and youtold him his vitamin D level was
low and testosterone level waslow, and I was like, oh so then
it just got in the sun, that'sit, just go take the day and
spend it in the sun.
But then you talked aboutbeating on the sun for 15 to 20
(23:35):
minutes without sunscreens andthat's gonna be controversial to
some people too, right?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because, well, it's a balancing
act, right, because vitamin D isvery important as far as cancer
prevention.
But we also know, if youexplode yourself to the rays too
much, well then you don't wannaend up with skin cancer either.
Right, right.
So that's why I say it's abalancing act.
So 15, 20 minutes a day withoutthe sunscreen.
Then, of course, when you putsunscreen on, make sure that
it's mineral based and notchemical based, and that's a
(24:03):
whole other conversation.
When it comes to all thesechemicals that disrupt our
hormones that most women areputting on themselves or using
on a daily basis, I mean there'shundreds and hundreds of
chemicals in the products thatyou use.
I mean thinking about yourmakeup, your moisturizer, your
lotion your conditioner.
everything, yeah everything allthese chemicals that are there
(24:23):
and if they're over the counter,they must be safe, right,
Because why would they allowthese things to happen?
But unfortunately, they're notlooking at these things, they're
not testing these things.
We allow a lot of chemicalshere in this country that they
don't allow in other countries.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And that's why I said money makes policy here,
unfortunately.
So as a consumer, you reallyhave to put the effort in, and
if you're not willing to put theeffort in, then your health
isn't going to suffer, it justis.
To be healthy, you have to puttime and money invested in your
health.
There's just no other way ofgetting around it Right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And the thing is is, if it was your child, you would
put forth all of that effort foryour child, but yet the whole
theory is like the wholeairplane you put your mask on
first we don't always do thatBecause as parents, we're like,
oh, we got to run, run, hustle,hustle, hustle.
Like, oh, I'll get to it, I'llget to it, I'll get to it.
And back to your point at thebeginning of like, it has to be
on your schedule.
Mine is time block from 6 am to8 am.
(25:18):
That's my personal time.
That's in purple on my calendarbecause I'm color coded.
That's my personal time.
I like to be up on myself, Idon't want anybody around.
I have my turmeric tea, feedthe dog, I go train another
cancer client.
So, like, at the same time, Ibenefit from the exercise as
well.
It's fun.
And then boom, I'm with my day,because if I don't do it in the
morning it doesn't happen,right, if it's not on your
calendar it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, exactly, it has to be a priority.
It has to be written down, ithas to be documented.
So you said it right.
I mean that's you have to.
It has to be a priority.
You know, and one of the thingsI've told my female patients
over the years, because men werevery good at this, and then
what I'm about to say is likewomen need to learn how to be
more selfish.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But I that, and that's that's gonna be
controversial as well, becauseit's not selfish.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, it's not.
I mean I say because theyunderstand what I mean when I
say the word Selfish.
Right, because everybody wantsto give you know in dude in this
.
But I said, no, it's not beingselfish, but you know what I
mean.
Like men were like okay, I needto do this, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You know they don't think about it.
They're like I'm going to thegym.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, okay, I'll go play golf for four to six hours.
Yeah, I'm gonna do this.
Is you know what I need to do?
And I say women usually aremore you know, more giving, and
okay, I gotta take care ofeverybody else to make sure that
these things are taken care ofbefore I'll do anything, you
know, for myself.
So, yes, it's not being selfish, but just by using that term to
understand what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, for sure, you gotta focus on yourself.
I'm just joking with you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, no, I know, but it's not being selfish, so it
makes no right.
You have to take care ofyourself, because if you don't,
then you can't give your.
You can't give anything to thepeople that you love anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yep, 100%.
So what is one thing that you,that someone, could take away
right now, if they're listening,whether they're walking in
their car, exercising, maybe,hopefully, what's?
What is one thing that youwould want someone to take away
right now from this podcast?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Get your vitamin D levels checked.
Okay and make sure you keep yourlevels between six and eighty.
I mean, to me, like I said,that's part the most important
thing that you need to do.
And number two is work on yourstress, and you know stress
reducing technique.
Have your alone time, have yourtime alone where you you just
can.
You know, write your goals, youknow, find your purpose, you
(27:29):
know your gratitude, just, youknow, time for yourself and get
to that place of peace.
You know, in a journey of youknow what am I going to
accomplish that that your innerpieces is so key to, to your
health, you know.
So those would be my, my toptwo.
And of course, everybody knowsabout diet and exercise.
That kind of goes withoutsaying whether you Do it or not,
but you know you need to dothose things Right.
Vitamin D is key.
(27:50):
The, the alone and justreflecting time is key.
And then also get your hormones, you know, tested the right way
with the right person.
That knows you know whatthey're doing.
It comes to the hormones.
We're talking about prevention,you know.
So if you have breast pain, ifyou have PMS, if you have, you
know, migraine headaches, if youhave, you know Lie, these
things that women go throughevery month.
You know they say okay, it'snormal well just because it's
(28:10):
common doesn't make it normal,and I say that all the time
because so many things are, areare common.
They make it normal, you know.
So, get your hormones checkedand make sure that we know how
to you know balance them.
You know a lot of women are lowat progesterone.
You know we need to be.
You know going to the bathroomregularly, you know so.
I know we always like to kindof keep it short, but it's man
(28:30):
that there's a lot of things weneed to do.
But really, yeah, regular bowelmovements.
You know moving.
You know mind, body, spirit andsunlight.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And and thank God, we live in Florida, so we get that
all the time you're around.
It's really depressing if youthink about I got my god, I
lived up north for so long likeI think, oh my god, I would
rather have like six months ofmiserably hot weather than six
months of like Depressing cold,dreary gray.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm like, oh, oh yeah , I know, I grew up that way too
.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No, thank you, I'll take the sunlight all day long.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
There's something I was just gonna ask you and I
just drew blank Shit, anywayIt'll come to me in a hot second
it.
I didn't realize how importantit was to like just be with
myself until I was probably likeUntil I was like diagnosed at
45.
I just I was, I was been go, go, go, go, go my speed, so don't
go faster, go and go faster tobreath.
And now I'm like I really lovebeing by myself, like a lot.
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I like I love being by myself.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's great.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Almost to a fault.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Some people don't realize that they're afraid to
be by themselves and I'm such anextrovert, so it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah okay, I'm good, I'm like and I'm I need.
I need my time.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes, no, it's so important to learn how to really
truly love yourself and be atpeace with yourself and, yeah,
really so important for yourhealth.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean, I look at it this way I have a whole
committee up here, so I'm notreally ever alone.
I just have to manage them, andthat's a whole other
conversation.
Yes, it is okay, so for ourlisteners that are not here in
Florida, in Palm Beach County,can they reach out to you and
talk to you about the Dutch test?
You do tell a telemedicine, allthat stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yes yes, yes, I do so .
I haven't done a lot of it, butplan on doing a lot more of it,
because there's so many peoplewho do need to help out there
right and they just don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You know you work with people you know like in
trust and you know referred toyou and whatever.
So that's super important.
So what is your best way peoplecan reach you?
I know your email, I'll putthat in the show notes.
But also you have a YouTubechannel, right?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yes, I do, yes, I do so.
Yes at dr Jeffrey Brown.
That's what is that power toheal?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
power to heal.
That's right, so I'll put thatin the show notes as well, and I
thank you so, so much for beinghere and informing our
listeners about how important itis to Take time for yourself,
get your hormones tested,because I preach this a lot and
I'm glad that you're back on meup on this, so it's been really
awesome.
It's been great catching upwith you, it's been great to
share your knowledge with ourlisteners, and I hope that they
will reach out to you for somemore advice.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you, it's been fun, great to see you and I'll
say the best of health to all ofyour listeners out there and
Again.
Powers in your hands, you havethe power to heal.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's right.
You do have the power to healall within yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep right.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
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I am super, super, super excitedto have our guests on today.
This is Dr Jeffrey Brown, andwe go back to our kids actually
being in gymnastics together.
He is local here in the PalmBeach County area.
So, those of you that are inthe area, you will be able to
(01:06):
see him for any visits, if needbe.
Otherwise, you'll be able toreach him on his YouTube channel
and I'll put all of his contactinformation into the show notes
.
But meanwhile we're going todiscuss something super, super
important, which is our hormonesand breast cancer and how we
can test those right.
So welcome, jeff.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, thank you for having me, shannon, it's good to
see you.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You too.
So let's talk about I know I'vetalked about on my podcast
before in several episodes I'vetalked about when I know I was
getting diagnosed.
Actually my body was totallyoff.
I knew something was wrong.
I knew I was going intoparamedopause, so I knew my
hormones were totally out ofwhack.
And I said to my doctor, who waslike an emergency doctor I was
like I just want you to test myhormones.
(01:46):
And he was like, well, we needto do a woman's wellness exam.
And I'm like, yeah, but you'renot going to do that.
You're going to have somefemale in your office do it
because you're weird and creepy,and so that's fine.
My OB had just passed away frombrain cancers, unfortunately
the month before.
So I was like let's get totesting the hormones.
And we didn't even actually getto the part of testing the
hormones because through thewoman's wellness exam is where
(02:08):
they found my breast cancer.
So honestly, I still haven'teven gotten that result.
I need to get back to that.
But let's talk about why it'sso important to test the
hormones, how one would go aboutthat and how much you can
really dive deep and educate ourlisteners here.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, there's a lot there.
There's a lot to unpack, so Iwill, there you go, all right.
So if you need to interrupt me,please interrupt me, because
this is something that is so keybecause it's just not done well
or it's not done appropriately.
You know, I've always said thatwomen's health you guys kind of
get the shorting to stick youroptions.
(02:43):
Typically if you see your OBGYNor your primary care doc, if
you're having issues, it's justgo on birth control and a
depressants or surgery and thenyou kind of left like that's it.
There's no other options foryou guys than doing that route.
So I've heard patients beforethat say hey, I asked my doctor
to run my hormone panel and Ialways say to them what are you
looking for?
(03:03):
Do you know what you're lookingfor?
Because everybody's hormonesare going to be in a so-called
normal range for 99% of thecases.
So really the question is aremy hormones in balance?
And in the conventionalmedicine spectrum they're not
trained to balance hormones.
That's why their only optionreally is to put you on birth
control.
So even though your hormonesmay be in balance, your labs are
(03:26):
going to come back within theso-called normal range and
that's really not going to help.
So you really need to work withsomeone who knows what they're
doing and looking for.
When you're looking at yourhormones and so that's why I say
that and it's a very commonthing, like especially when they
hit 40, 45, they know they'renot feeling as well.
It says it's got to be myhormones, so let me get my
hormones checked, but they don'treally know what they're
(03:46):
looking for.
What does that mean when you'relooking at your hormones?
Because there's three differentestrogens estrone, estradiol,
estriol.
You have progesterone, you havetestosterone, and all those
levels need to be in theappropriate balance and optimal
levels.
And if you don't know that,you're going to leave their
feeling like, ok, they told memy hormones are fine, but I know
(04:07):
I don't feel well, so now whatare my options?
So be careful when you'reasking for that question and go
to write people who know how toreally balance your hormones.
And that just being theso-called reference range
because a reference range is sowide, it doesn't mean that
that's you, that as far as whereyour ranges are going to be.
(04:28):
So, that's so crucial.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
And getting to the root of why that hormone is out
of balance, whether whateverthat pathway is for that.
So I did have you heard of theDutch test?
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yes, I was going to go into that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
OK, so I did that and I'm a hot mess.
I have like 0.7 estrogen, 0.4progesterone and I have a
plethora of cortisol sprinkledwith a little bit of
testosterone.
That's special right.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
So my friend, dr Tatiana Habanova, who has been
on here before, she actuallygave me the Dutch test, but she
was explaining to me that youreally need to get down into the
pathways of why that particularhormone is out of whack.
So let's go into that, can we?
No, no, don't go.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh yes, so the dust chest is really important for
looking at how your hormones arebeing metabolized, you know.
So when you're looking at thattest, you're looking at it for a
number of reasons.
So one, you kind of get a senseof okay, my hormones are low,
are they, you know, so-calledmedium, or are they really, you
know, optimal?
So that's one way of looking,you know, at your hormones.
But the other way that I lookat it is, most importantly
(05:39):
really is, you know, looking atbreast cancer prevention, and
then you can do this test too asfar as looking at how are your
hormones being metabolized.
And so if you understand thatyou know initially, that tells
you, okay, it's my risk forestrogen-related cancers, you
know, at a higher rate.
So your estrogen is metabolizeddown three different pathways.
You know your two hydroxy, yourfour hydroxy and 16 hydroxy.
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So, depending upon your age andyour numbers, there's an
expected value and then we have,you know, the patient's value,
whatever your value is.
And so this is a very importanttest that most people are not
getting done because, again,it's not done in the
conventional manner.
It's usually people who areexperienced with hormones, those
of us in the functionalmedicine space.
And so you metabolize.
(06:20):
You can't run through blood, soyou know it has to be done
through the urine test, soyou're not going to be able to
get it done.
You know, typically at a questor lab core has to be done with
companies who know how to chestyour metabolites.
So if you can look at yourratios and looking at which way
your hormones are beingmetabolized, you can safely say
that, okay, I'm going down theright pathway here, and then
even a step further, looking athow your body is methylating,
(06:44):
which is another way of saying,okay, what is the metabolism,
what is the mechanisms for howmy body can detoxify?
You know my hormones andestrogen, you know.
So it's a very important testwhen you're looking at those
numbers.
So not just about what yourlevels are, but how are you
metabolizing your estrogen.
So if it's not going on theright way, there's a number of
things that can cause that youknow.
(07:04):
One is you know, of course,everybody deal with stress, you
know.
So how are you dealing withyour stress?
So I spent most of my time withpatients talking about what are
we doing with stress and howcan we manage stress better.
What are we doing on a regularbasis to what I call go into a
more of a parasympathetic state.
You're right, that's prayingand meditating and journaling
and gratitudes and laughter andall those things, and make it a
(07:27):
priority for people to do,because most people don't do
that, they don't make a point ofit.
I make sure that it's on yourcalendars, it's part of your
to-do list for the day, sowhatever else is in there, those
things have to be there as well, because managing your stress
and managing cortisol is key tohealth.
So you know people who drink toomuch caffeine you know that can
influence.
You know your pathways.
(07:48):
You know too much processedfood can influence.
You know those pathways.
Having too much, you know fat,obesity that can influence that,
which is why it's important toreally exercise.
And you know, look at our dietand sugar intake, et cetera.
Gut health that's one of theareas that I focus on a lot with
women, because I see that a lotof times, if you're not
metabolizing hormones correctly,oftentimes you don't have good
(08:12):
gastrointestinal health, youknow.
So one of my first questions isyou know how often are you
going to the bathroom?
And it's amazing how manypeople don't have regular bowel
movements.
Well, that influences how yourbody is getting rid of estrogen
right, because you have toexcrete your estrogen.
So if you're not pooping on aregular basis, that means that's
being recirculated and that canlead to estrogen dominance and
you got more toxins and thingsin our system.
(08:33):
And so I always make sure youhave to poop.
We have to detoxify.
If we're not detoxifying,you're increasing your risk and
what I like to do is all aboutprevention, you know.
So we can do things to beproactive.
You know, with our health, tome that's more important than
all.
Right now we have to treatsomething because we weren't
proactive in the first place.
But the Dutch test is reallycrucial and there's a couple of
(08:55):
tests out there, but the Dutchtest probably does the best job
as far as marketing goes.
So we know that test very well.
I think most people arefamiliar with that and if you're
not familiar with it, I reallyadvise you to do that by a
practitioner who does it,because it really could be a,
you know, crucial point inunderstanding where you are in
your health right now, so youcan make the steps to improve
your health.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
And, like you said, they can't go to just a
traditional doctor to get thisDutch test because they're going
to be like I don't know, justwe'll just give you a pill,
we'll fix it with the pill,we'll do this.
So they just would reach out tosomebody like you and I'm not
sure I think I may have passedthat at the beginning of this,
when I was interviewing you, Ithink I totally forgot to say
what you specialize in.
I just was talking about thatyou live in locally.
So Jeff specializes inosteopathic, manipulative
(09:39):
therapy, homeopathic andregenerative medicine, as well
as functional medicine.
In case you didn't pick that upin these first few minutes, so,
yes, super important.
He covers everything, all thebases, but obviously you know,
based on the topic of thispodcast, we wanted to really
dive deep into this.
So I'm glad you are ready andwilling and able to get into the
Dutch test and talk about allthe pathways that go along with
(10:00):
that it's.
You mentioned to me how youwere talking about how doctors
typically just want to put youon birth control, and it's so
frustrating to me because I lookat that as like well, I feel
like you're just adding fuel tothe fire at that point.
Right, it's like so kind ofproductive.
I'm like I can look back and belike I feel like my breast
cancer was from going throughIVF treatment and then, had I
known I was going to have issuesgetting pregnant, why would I
(10:21):
have been on birth control forso long?
As a teenager, you know, I havea 15, almost 16 year old and
she's like mom, do I need to beon birth control soon?
I was like no, no, no, no youdo not slow your roll.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yes, so it's so scary .
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I'm like you're just going to give a birth control to
a child who doesn't know anydifferent, for the purpose of,
obviously, if you're sexuallyactive, but without thinking
about the ramifications of likeyou're putting these hormones
into your body.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, I mean it's sad .
You know I always said and Ibelieve this being in the
medical profession as long as Ihave been you know the
information that you'rereceiving is not necessarily for
the health of our patient baseis that money fuels a lot of
this, and so when they havestudies out there, you don't
know who's funding these studies.
If you speak with mostpractitioners, they'll tell you
(11:08):
birth control is completely safe.
There's no issues with that,even though there's quite a few
studies.
You really start diving into itthat will say you know
otherwise.
You know, and often again, youknow, like I said, you know
women get the PMS.
So you know severe cramps andpain and or migraines and
headaches and you know it canjust wipe you out Like you can't
go to work, you can't go toschool, you're in tears.
(11:30):
You know, and their option isokay, we'll take this birth
control.
You know, without reallylooking at okay, well, why are
we having this issue in thefirst place?
You know what's going on with,why aren't we doing this, and so
that's why I said you know guthealth is very important.
Iodine is very important.
You know iodine getting from.
You know seafood and sushi andseaweed.
(11:51):
You know iodine plays a role inbreast health, you know, and
with your periods, you know.
And unfortunately you know ifyou do the research, you know a
lot of people are actually notoptimal to the fish and iodine.
You know a lot of people arescared of salting their food, so
you don't, you know, salt yourfood, so that's where they get a
good source of iodine.
Some people hate fish.
They're not eating enough greenvegetables, so bromine is very
(12:14):
common in our breads and pastasand you know a lot of people in
America love their breads andpasta and bromine competes with
iodine, so you got another, youknow source of competition, so
you're not getting your iodine,you know there.
So those are things that canlead to iodine deficiency, which
can lead to some of our healthissues because we're not getting
the appropriate.
You know iodine levels, soiodine number one is thyroid
(12:36):
health.
We think about iodine andthyroid, but number two is
breast health, where they haveconcentrations of high
concentrations of iodine, youknow, in the breast tissue, you
know in our thyroid, and theywill compete with each other as
far as getting enough iodine sothey can do what they need to do
.
So if there's not enough to goaround, well, then you can
suffer from both.
You know low thyroid.
And how many women you knowthey have great energy and most
women that I meet they're tired.
(12:57):
Well, that could be thyroid.
And then again you want to haveyour thyroid level checked and
you go to conventional world.
Most of them are only running aTSH.
They don't even do a fullthyroid panel Right To see.
Okay, truly, is my thyroidworking?
You know appropriately.
You know.
So again, you know, going tosomeone who really takes a
holistic view of you as aindividual is so important.
(13:17):
So they were not missinganything.
You don't want to mask you with.
You know why are you tired?
Well, you probably just stress,right, I've heard that before.
I was like, yeah, I've got adifferent doctor.
They say, okay, it's all in myhead, maybe I'm depressed
because of the symptom ofdepression.
Well, you're probably depressed.
And so here, try to stay on thepresent and, you know, go on
your way.
So it gets very frustratingwith, I can imagine, as a
consumer, because you get mixedmessages.
(13:38):
You know they're telling youit's safe and they're telling
you that, no, it's not safe.
And then so where do you go asa consumer?
Who do you believe?
You know at the end of the day,like who do you believe you
left, like okay, what do I do?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Right, and that's especially true when you know
you're diagnosed with any cancer.
I don't care if it's breastcancer or whatever cancer, like
anything you're diagnosed with,you're like okay, well, I know,
your body's not meant to justbreak down like that.
Your body's breaking down forsome reason.
Well, what is that reason?
And unfortunately, doctors goto school to say, okay, here's
the problem, oh, let's go tothis book, here's a solution.
(14:09):
It's like.
It's like gamified right.
Like oh, we made a match.
We made a match.
You know like that works.
You know, I look at all thesepeople that are like on all
these different medications.
I'm like, for some reason Ifeel like that has to be like
counterproductive, like are youreally sure you should be taking
all of those?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, I know, I see.
Yes, you're just taking thispill because this pill gave you
a side effect and you reallydidn't go through the root of
the cause.
For why am I taking this?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
you know, in the first place we really
investigate, like you know, whythat is I literally went to go
visit my friend this weekend whojust went through a bone marrow
transplant, and the amount ofmedications on the table.
She's like, yeah, I have totake like 33 pills in the
morning, like 16 at lunch, and Iwas like what?
I'm like how can that be goodfor you?
She's like, well, this oneprotects the liver and this, I
mean, it's a bone marrowtransplant.
(14:54):
I get that.
That's a really, really bigdeal.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But like.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I mean, I'm like holy cow, like how did how does the
body even like know to likemetabolite, like what's going
where?
You know what I mean.
Like if you take black charcoal.
If you're taking black charcoalto like to clear out your
system, we're not gonna takevitamins at the same time you're
taking black charcoal, becausethen it's gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
That's crazy that's insane.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Well, the fact that you just told me that I should
go eat more sushi, I'm good,we're done.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So let's, let's say somebody's listening to this and
they're like you know what I?
I already had diagnosed withbreast cancer, like I'm.
I'm think it's great that wetalked about being preventative,
but like moving forward, how doI, you know, set myself up for
success in not having areoccurrence?
Oh, oh very good.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, first thing definitely is you know, do the
dust test.
You know, look in, see howthose hormones and be
metabolized.
You know what?
Was that an issue there?
Second is, you know really whatI call do some introspective
Learning about yourself.
You know what I find.
You know, in these scenariosthere's a lot of.
You know we also have a lot ofbaggage.
(16:03):
You know that we are, you know,brought up with the blood out,
the paradox.
You know, if you listen, peoplelike Joe Dispenso or dr Bruce
Lipton.
You know I was talking about.
What is that, that baggage thatwe are brought up with?
You know things that we'vewe've heard and seen and you
know things that Can impact us.
You know you emotionally, youknow people that may.
Is there's somebody you haveresentment towards, is their
(16:24):
anger, is there frustration?
But really, you know, look atthat.
You know, and and if there'ssomething that you can identify,
really conquer that, you know,get develop piece is what I'm
trying to go to.
It's like have some peace.
You know there's there's a lotof people out there that just
struggling with things, theyjust don't have peace, they
don't love themselves.
That there's, I see that a lotwhere people just don't have a
conference with themselves andso and that really, you know,
(16:46):
those are the things you'rereleasing a lot of negative
chemicals If you, if you thatspace in a regular basis, so
that those negative chemicalsthat you keep releasing every
single day because you're angryor you're hurt or you just, you
know, holding this grudge orwhatever like that, those are
things that's not gonna help you.
Next you're from my favoritenutrients vitamin D.
You know I always tell peoplelike, look, get your vitamin D
(17:07):
levels, check, because thatnutrient has been shown in
different studies.
When it's done Right, you know,I think the numbers almost 77%
of all cancers wouldn't exist ifpeople had optimal vitamin D
levels.
And I've looked at that overthe years with patients who had
a history of cancer and I'velooked at their vitamin D levels
and they're always low, they'realways suboptim, you know, but
they don't push that, you know.
(17:27):
So get out in the sun, you know, at least 15 minutes a day, 20
minutes without sunscreen.
Like, do what you can and makesure your levels are between 60
and 80.
That's a sweet spot when itcomes to vitamin D, and most
people are not there unlessyou're supplementing every now
and then.
There's an exception.
I may find one person you knowoh wow, you're not taking
anything and your levels are inthat range.
It's 60 80 range, but mostpeople aren't and that's the
(17:47):
range you need to be in Now.
If you go to your doctor andthey run it now, so everything
looks good, You're normal.
Well, they're the range, ornormal range.
I'm saying normal range is from30, okay, 30, you know, to 100,
60 to 80 is a sweet spot.
So if you're at 31, 35, 40,they'll tell you it's good,
that's not protective.
That's maybe protective againstrickets, but we're talking
(18:08):
about really brain health.
We're talking about immunehealth.
We're talking about fightingcancer, anti-inflammatory,
autoimmune disorders.
Get that vitamin D level upbetween 60 and 80.
That is a sweet spot.
So that would be.
The other thing I recommend isdefinitely, you know, get your
vitamin Ds levels checked.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
And most people are deficient in vitamin D anyway
right.
So again most people aredeficient in vitamin D.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, yeah, most are deficient and that's why it's
not routinely.
You know order.
You know every now and thenI'll see people who have it on
there, but it's not routinelyordered, unfortunately.
But again, that's why I saidthat is something that could
prevent a lot of cancer and weknow that cancer treatment is a
big money maker for companies inthis country.
So I hate saying it.
It is, it's, it's.
You know, people say they'relooking for a cure and I'm like
(18:49):
telling people say there's curesout there, you're never gonna
see it, that's my money I'msorry, oh, don't even get me
started.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, don't even get me started, I don't even.
Yes, we're gonna just we'regonna.
This is my last one, I stopraising money for and I am a
very huge fundraiser, I lovesupporting nonprofits,
especially breast cancer.
I have raised a shit ton ofmoney for making strides over
the last several years.
Covid hit and I'm telling you,is if you came out with a COVID
(19:15):
jab overnight and you can't comeup with a cure for breast
cancer.
That's why I was like I'm done.
I am done.
I want nothing to do withraising money for research,
because it's bullshit and I willonly do for breast cancer at
the HopeLodge or drive peoplelike I want hands on.
I want to know that I've made adifference.
I don't want it to go somewherebecause there's far too many
companies out there doingresearch.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Oh, yeah, and there should be something.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Okay, I'm off my soapbox Carry on.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, no, no, that's why I said I'm done with that.
So, anyway, being proactivewith your health is really the
key to it.
So someone that has a breastcancer that's why I said the
stress, reducing activities andreally looking at yourself and
vitamin D, iodine.
Also high dose melatonin Ifyou're working with someone who
knows about that, melatonin isalso very protective for the
breast tissue.
So high dose melatonin could befive, 10, 15, 20 milligrams of
(20:05):
melatonin a night can also beprotective and also help you
fighting cancer.
It's so key.
So those are the ones.
Magnesium, yeah, I mean there'sa lot of important nutrients
that are there but those are theones that really target and
protect the breast tissues theiodine, vitamin D, melatonin
(20:27):
We've seen studies on that, that, how it can neutralize cancer.
It can slow down or stop theprogression of cancer for those
who have it.
Sweating, exercise that's whyone of the reasons why exercise
is so important getting thoseendorphins up, because, again,
that's a natural painkiller, butit's also the endorphins.
They also work on the immunesystem.
So that's why you see, some ofthese alternative clinics will
(20:48):
have these hypothermias wherethey're getting your temperature
up, sweating, and getting thattemperature up is very important
Getting the oxygen?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
How flashes are included in that?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
No, okay, yeah no, not in this scenario, but
unfortunately.
Yeah there's a whole anotherrealm that you guys have to deal
with and unfortunately a lot ofwomen suffer from that
unnecessarily because they don'tknow where do you go with that
right, this controversy andtreating hot flashes.
That's why I said there's somuch that we could talk about on
women's health, becauseunfortunately it's really not
(21:21):
done very well that I would saythat in the conventional realm.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
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Speaker 1 (22:55):
Welcome back.
We're still here with Dr JeffBrown.
We're still talking aboutwomen's health, breast health
and all of the things we can doto prevent and also to make sure
that we don't have anyreoccurrence, talking about some
different options for vitaminsand supplements and things like
that, obviously as well asexercising and you know I'm
super passionate about that andwe just got done talking about
(23:15):
the importance of vitamin D, andI have to laugh, because when
you tested my husband and youtold him his vitamin D level was
low and testosterone level waslow, and I was like, oh so then
it just got in the sun, that'sit, just go take the day and
spend it in the sun.
But then you talked aboutbeating on the sun for 15 to 20
(23:35):
minutes without sunscreens andthat's gonna be controversial to
some people too, right?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because, well, it's a balancing
act, right, because vitamin D isvery important as far as cancer
prevention.
But we also know, if youexplode yourself to the rays too
much, well then you don't wannaend up with skin cancer either.
Right, right.
So that's why I say it's abalancing act.
So 15, 20 minutes a day withoutthe sunscreen.
Then, of course, when you putsunscreen on, make sure that
it's mineral based and notchemical based, and that's a
(24:03):
whole other conversation.
When it comes to all thesechemicals that disrupt our
hormones that most women areputting on themselves or using
on a daily basis, I mean there'shundreds and hundreds of
chemicals in the products thatyou use.
I mean thinking about yourmakeup, your moisturizer, your
lotion your conditioner.
everything, yeah everything allthese chemicals that are there
(24:23):
and if they're over the counter,they must be safe, right,
Because why would they allowthese things to happen?
But unfortunately, they're notlooking at these things, they're
not testing these things.
We allow a lot of chemicalshere in this country that they
don't allow in other countries.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
And that's why I said money makes policy here,
unfortunately.
So as a consumer, you reallyhave to put the effort in, and
if you're not willing to put theeffort in, then your health
isn't going to suffer, it justis.
To be healthy, you have to puttime and money invested in your
health.
There's just no other way ofgetting around it Right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
And the thing is is, if it was your child, you would
put forth all of that effort foryour child, but yet the whole
theory is like the wholeairplane you put your mask on
first we don't always do thatBecause as parents, we're like,
oh, we got to run, run, hustle,hustle, hustle.
Like, oh, I'll get to it, I'llget to it, I'll get to it.
And back to your point at thebeginning of like, it has to be
on your schedule.
Mine is time block from 6 am to8 am.
(25:18):
That's my personal time.
That's in purple on my calendarbecause I'm color coded.
That's my personal time.
I like to be up on myself, Idon't want anybody around.
I have my turmeric tea, feedthe dog, I go train another
cancer client.
So, like, at the same time, Ibenefit from the exercise as
well.
It's fun.
And then boom, I'm with my day,because if I don't do it in the
morning it doesn't happen,right, if it's not on your
calendar it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, exactly, it has to be a priority.
It has to be written down, ithas to be documented.
So you said it right.
I mean that's you have to.
It has to be a priority.
You know, and one of the thingsI've told my female patients
over the years, because men werevery good at this, and then
what I'm about to say is likewomen need to learn how to be
more selfish.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
But I that, and that's that's gonna be
controversial as well, becauseit's not selfish.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, it's not.
I mean I say because theyunderstand what I mean when I
say the word Selfish.
Right, because everybody wantsto give you know in dude in this
.
But I said, no, it's not beingselfish, but you know what I
mean.
Like men were like okay, I needto do this, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
You know they don't think about it.
They're like I'm going to thegym.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, okay, I'll go play golf for four to six hours.
Yeah, I'm gonna do this.
Is you know what I need to do?
And I say women usually aremore you know, more giving, and
okay, I gotta take care ofeverybody else to make sure that
these things are taken care ofbefore I'll do anything, you
know, for myself.
So, yes, it's not being selfish, but just by using that term to
understand what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah, for sure, you gotta focus on yourself.
I'm just joking with you.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, no, I know, but it's not being selfish, so it
makes no right.
You have to take care ofyourself, because if you don't,
then you can't give your.
You can't give anything to thepeople that you love anyway.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yep, 100%.
So what is one thing that you,that someone, could take away
right now, if they're listening,whether they're walking in
their car, exercising, maybe,hopefully, what's?
What is one thing that youwould want someone to take away
right now from this podcast?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Get your vitamin D levels checked.
Okay and make sure you keep yourlevels between six and eighty.
I mean, to me, like I said,that's part the most important
thing that you need to do.
And number two is work on yourstress, and you know stress
reducing technique.
Have your alone time, have yourtime alone where you you just
can.
You know, write your goals, youknow, find your purpose, you
(27:29):
know your gratitude, just, youknow, time for yourself and get
to that place of peace.
You know, in a journey of youknow what am I going to
accomplish that that your innerpieces is so key to, to your
health, you know.
So those would be my, my toptwo.
And of course, everybody knowsabout diet and exercise.
That kind of goes withoutsaying whether you Do it or not,
but you know you need to dothose things Right.
Vitamin D is key.
(27:50):
The, the alone and justreflecting time is key.
And then also get your hormones, you know, tested the right way
with the right person.
That knows you know whatthey're doing.
It comes to the hormones.
We're talking about prevention,you know.
So if you have breast pain, ifyou have PMS, if you have, you
know, migraine headaches, if youhave, you know Lie, these
things that women go throughevery month.
You know they say okay, it'snormal well just because it's
(28:10):
common doesn't make it normal,and I say that all the time
because so many things are, areare common.
They make it normal, you know.
So, get your hormones checkedand make sure that we know how
to you know balance them.
You know a lot of women are lowat progesterone.
You know we need to be.
You know going to the bathroomregularly, you know so.
I know we always like to kindof keep it short, but it's man
(28:30):
that there's a lot of things weneed to do.
But really, yeah, regular bowelmovements.
You know moving.
You know mind, body, spirit andsunlight.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And and thank God, we live in Florida, so we get that
all the time you're around.
It's really depressing if youthink about I got my god, I
lived up north for so long likeI think, oh my god, I would
rather have like six months ofmiserably hot weather than six
months of like Depressing cold,dreary gray.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm like, oh, oh yeah , I know, I grew up that way too
.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
No, thank you, I'll take the sunlight all day long.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
There's something I was just gonna ask you and I
just drew blank Shit, anywayIt'll come to me in a hot second
it.
I didn't realize how importantit was to like just be with
myself until I was probably likeUntil I was like diagnosed at
45.
I just I was, I was been go, go, go, go, go my speed, so don't
go faster, go and go faster tobreath.
And now I'm like I really lovebeing by myself, like a lot.
(29:26):
I like I love being by myself.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's great.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Almost to a fault.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Some people don't realize that they're afraid to
be by themselves and I'm such anextrovert, so it's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah okay, I'm good, I'm like and I'm I need.
I need my time.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yes, no, it's so important to learn how to really
truly love yourself and be atpeace with yourself and, yeah,
really so important for yourhealth.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I mean, I look at it this way I have a whole
committee up here, so I'm notreally ever alone.
I just have to manage them, andthat's a whole other
conversation.
Yes, it is okay, so for ourlisteners that are not here in
Florida, in Palm Beach County,can they reach out to you and
talk to you about the Dutch test?
You do tell a telemedicine, allthat stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Yes yes, yes, I do so .
I haven't done a lot of it, butplan on doing a lot more of it,
because there's so many peoplewho do need to help out there
right and they just don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
You know you work with people you know like in
trust and you know referred toyou and whatever.
So that's super important.
So what is your best way peoplecan reach you?
I know your email, I'll putthat in the show notes.
But also you have a YouTubechannel, right?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yes, I do, yes, I do so.
Yes at dr Jeffrey Brown.
That's what is that power toheal?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
power to heal.
That's right, so I'll put thatin the show notes as well, and I
thank you so, so much for beinghere and informing our
listeners about how important itis to Take time for yourself,
get your hormones tested,because I preach this a lot and
I'm glad that you're back on meup on this, so it's been really
awesome.
It's been great catching upwith you, it's been great to
share your knowledge with ourlisteners, and I hope that they
will reach out to you for somemore advice.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Thank you, it's been fun, great to see you and I'll
say the best of health to all ofyour listeners out there and
Again.
Powers in your hands, you havethe power to heal.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's right.
You do have the power to healall within yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yep right.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Thank you for joining us on busting out of breast
cancer.
We hope you found our podcastinformative, uplifting and
inspiring.
We want to remind you that youare not alone in this fight
against breast cancer.
If you are someone you knowneeds support, please reach out
to a health care professional,breast cancer support
organization or me.
I'm always happy to listen,chat and help any way.
I can remember, early detectionis key, so please schedule your
early, your regular cancerscreenings early.
(31:36):
Do them now.
Also, if you're in the marketfor a new home, looking to sell
or start investing, don'thesitate to contact me, your
favorite friend, realtor andpodcast host.
Together, we can make your realestate dreams a reality and
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