November 8, 2023 • 52 mins
When most people face a stage 4 cancer diagnosis, they might feel like their life is over. But not our guest, Chuck Keels. He took this dire prognosis as an opportunity to change his life, his mindset, and most surprisingly, his faith. In an awe-inspiring twist on a classic heart-rending tale, Chuck recounts his journey of being diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer and how his encounter with Jesus during a hospital visit changed him. This profound experience not only sparked a miraculous recovery that left his doctors astounded but also inspired him to push past limitations and take an active part in his healing process.
Chuck's journey didn't stop at his personal healing. Armed with renewed faith and unyielding determination, he and his wife used their experiences to fuel a movement called "Get Up and Live". This initiative aims to help others navigating the treacherous waters of cancer and other severe medical conditions. Through this platform, they provide resources, strategies for managing treatment side effects, and most importantly, they teach people how to use the power of their mind to fight their physical battles.
But their fight against cancer doesn't stop there. Chuck and his wife have also established the Living Hope Cancer Foundation, a haven that offers cancer coaching, support, and resources to patients and their families. In a world often overwhelmed by the dark cloud of cancer, the Kiehls stand as a beacon of hope, proving that even in the face of terminal disease, one can find happiness, make a difference, and yes, even live a fulfilled life. Listen in as they share their empowering journey and inspire you to "Get Up and Live", no matter what life throws your way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey there and welcome to Bustin' Out of Breast Cancer
, the podcast that educates,empowers and inspires those
impacted by breast cancer.
I'm your host, shannon Brose, aRealtor who found her purpose
at the intersection of passionand pain while navigating her
own breast cancer journey andloves giving back to my
community.
Having worked with many breastcancer survivors and their
families, I understand thechallenges they face and the
importance of raising awarenessabout this disease and bridging
(00:20):
the gap between the medical andfitness industries.
Join us as we share stories ofsurvivors, caregivers and
healthcare professionals who aremaking a difference in the
fight against breast cancer.
Our goal is to raise awareness,provide resources and create a
community of support for thoseaffected by this disease.
I have a mission of changingthe world one smile at a time.
So whether you're a breastcancer survivor, a loved one, a
friend or just interested inlearning more, this podcast is
(00:42):
for you.
Let's bust out of breast cancertogether and make a difference
in the lives of those affectedby this disease.
I am so excited to have ourguests on today.
You don't understand.
Like we, I've been followinghis journey for probably three
years, four years maybe.
I was actually introduced tohim by one of Briley's
gymnastics coaches here inFlorida.
(01:03):
She's like have you ever heardof this guy?
I was like no.
So I looked him up and Istarted following whatever, I
messaged him or whatever, andanyway, he's pretty cool and we
have not had very many maleguests on here.
So I'm really excited aboutthis and he has the most
incredible, empowering andinspiring journey that you're
going to need to just buckle upand sit down and have a little
listen.
You're probably going to wantto save this world.
Listen to it again.
So I would love to welcome you,chuck Keehles.
(01:25):
Thank you so much for beinghere.
I appreciate you being on thepodcast.
I'm so excited to see you faceto face and have a conversation,
not just social media.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you so much for inviting me on.
I am completely honored.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Aw, thank you.
So we've been playing tag ontrying to get you on here for
quite some time and then you'vehad your ups and downs, your
journey.
You're all over the worldspeaking and whatnot and sharing
all the awesomeness that you'redoing.
But let's take it back to thebeginning of your journey.
When were you diagnosed?
How did you know that you hadsomething going on, and what was
your actual diagnosis?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I think also I want to add, before I even get
into that, jen the fact that nowI'm in the cancer industry and
I'm around breast cancer a lot,so that maybe gave me a little
more credentials as far as beingon here with you right now.
And then also through my cancerjourney I've had surgeries.
They actually stopped mytestosterone production and I
get hot flashes.
(02:16):
So maybe now we have more incommon.
Yeah, that's right.
So now I really feel morecomfortable when I fit right in.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Good.
So if we start stripping offour clothes, we know we're
having a hot flash.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Cover starts flying.
I know this too well, too well.
What I like to do is I like tojust tell a quick story about
how I even got into the cancerindustry, because my story is
definitely very different thanmost people and most people I'm
dealing with now as a cancercoach and I love telling it and
(02:56):
I love to see the look onpeople's faces and I'm not
kidding you, it's constantly.
I'm getting goosebumps andthings like that.
And so I was diagnosed withstage 4 prostate cancer in 2015.
And what happened with that wasI have something that I call
the male mentality, and that'swhen things start feeling weird
(03:17):
and you probably need to see adoctor and you keep putting it
off and saying I'll be okaytomorrow.
And I wasn't okay tomorrow.
I was getting worse and worseand I couldn't figure out what
was going on and I finally, on aFriday, after taking my two
boys out to dinner, I ended upat an emergency room in Gilbert
Arizona and I was diagnosed withstage 4 prostate cancer and
(03:38):
they said you just waited toolong and it's like that night I
just got the word cancer.
I went through all of thebiopsies, I went through all of
the tests and things, likeeverybody else does, bone scans,
everything but the result wasstage 4 prostate cancer and what
happened was that the prostatecancer started and in men, if
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they catch it at early stages,it's not as threatening or as
tough on a person.
There's a lot of interestingthings out there in the medical
industry and in the naturalindustry that actually can get
them through their journey, butonce it gets to stage 3 and
stage 4, a complete differentstory and you'll talk to people
who lost somebody to prostatecancer and once they find stage
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4, it's on fire, it's going, youknow, it's running wild through
the body.
And that's what happened to me.
My nuclear bone scan came back.
It went from my prostate intomy bones and my lymph nodes and
it basically they said there wasa trace of cancer in 90% of the
bones in my body.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, so just head spinning.
You know you plan for yourkids' weddings, you plan for you
know all these things.
You do not plan to hear.
You have cancer and you're atstage 4 and there's nothing the
medical industry can do about it.
Go home and be at peace withyour family, Right?
And that exactly what happenedto me.
(05:05):
And not only did I go home andbe to be at peace with my family
, but that night I have a knockon the door and two hospice
nurses come in and are sittingon my living room couch, and one
of them had a tear on her face.
And I'm thinking in my head itcannot get any worse than this.
And this all happened in 2015,eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Wow, yeah, so they lived.
You went to the ER on that samenight.
They had hospice at your house.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, that was.
I went to the ER that night andthey said it was prostate
cancer.
They sent in some specialiststhe next day and did all the
biopsies and then they sent mehome and three days later called
me and said we got all yourtest results.
Come back and see your doc.
And when I went back to see thedoc he just shook his head.
He goes I can't even believe.
You just walked in here.
I've never seen bone scans likethis in the person still
walking around.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So I feel like, with stage three and stage four,
regardless of what cancer it isis, I mean again, like you and I
, we, all those of us that havebeen, for we advocate early
detection, saves lives, likeliterally, if you literally
could just get out there, getyour screenings, do the things,
listen to your body, be your ownadvocate, all of that you
really can, you know, not get tothat stage, you know, get to
(06:17):
stage three and four.
So what were your symptoms?
I know that you said you were,you know, had a male mentality,
but like you, just you just felloff, you just didn't feel like
you were.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I'm a gym guy.
I've been that way my wholelife.
I've been a fitness dude, youknow.
So I knew my body real well andthe first thing I noticed was,
all of a sudden, I was, I wasgetting tired and I and I'm the
type of guy that never getstired I go 110 miles an hour all
day long.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Those are my speeds, so I started.
I noticed Go and go faster.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then and then also, the a little bit of pain
started coming in in my back andcentral back, which would be my
spine, and then I startedlosing some weight and noticing
my hair started looking reallystrange.
And you know, so I, I, I got tothe point at stage four.
I was down at one point, down40 pounds.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And not only that, shannon, but you know, when you
lose weight I wasn't I wasn't.
I may have had a little bit ofweight to lose, but I did not
have 40 pounds to lose.
And I looked at my legs and themuscle on my body melted off of
me.
I was actually in a hospitalbed looking at my legs and I go
who's legs are these?
These are not mine.
(07:25):
This is the weirdest thing inthe world.
And and so, yeah, it was the.
It was the signs around me ofmostly just just just tired,
achy, and the pain increased,increased, increased, and to the
point where I actually, like Isaid, end up in the ER,
diagnosed, thought, thoughtabout it and started thinking
(07:46):
you know, you're melting the waypretty fast here.
And you got two boys, singledad, and I raised my voice since
they were in diapers, and so Istarted thinking I need to get
my two boys back to Ohio becauseI'm melting away pretty fast
here.
And so made the plans that week.
And when you make plans, whenyou're diagnosed with stage four
cancer, it's not a calling themoving company making plans,
(08:10):
it's calling your friends and Icome, come by for a hug and take
whatever you want with you,because you don't move your crap
across the country when you'rediagnosed with stage four cancer
and told you had three monthsto live.
And so there was that.
That week I bought plane ticketsfor the following Sunday.
So the next six days was givingeverything we own away hugs and
(08:32):
tears.
And so we stayed at the HiltonTapatio Cliffs in Central
Phoenix.
Because, yes, kind of like ajoke, on Saturday my voice said
dad, where are we stayingtonight?
You gave away our beds, allright.
So I didn't think about that,you know.
So I called down and got areservation at the Hilton
(08:53):
Tapatio Cliffs.
It's close to the Phoenixairport.
I'm gonna fly the next morning.
We're gonna fly from Phoenixback to Columbus, ohio, where my
family's at and where I'moriginally from.
And the next morning I get up togo down the hall and in the
little resort and there's apopping sound and I hit the
floor and I can't move and I'mfeeling pain like I've never
(09:13):
felt before in my life.
And I always considered myselfkind of a tough old farm boy
from Ohio and this was totallybeyond me.
And I was laying there and Icouldn't even get a good breath
because of moving your diaphragm.
To just take a breath.
I couldn't do it and 911 wascalled and it took eight
(09:35):
firefighters to get me into oneof those Akiah sacks and then
onto a gurney and into anambulance and then down out of
the little mountain area to theclosest hospital called John C
Lincoln Hospital and every bumpthat I'm putting me in the
ambulance and every bump thatthe ambulance hit felt like
somebody was jabbing me in theback and the head Sends you over
(09:56):
the edge.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, it was incredible.
So I get to John C LincolnHospital and they said you just
suffered a compression fracture.
The scans and the x-rays andeverything they started doing
came back that my spine becauseof it was being metastasized,
jeopardized and broken down fromcancer collapsed in two
different places into the nerveendings, and it was absolutely
(10:20):
unbelievable if you couldimagine it.
And anybody else out therethat's ever went through broken
bone because of cancer knows thepain that comes from that.
And they finally got me onliquid morphine and some serious
pain meds so that I could justkind of relax and get through
the day and their scans.
(10:41):
Actually, what happened was theybrought in a cancer doctor that
was a house doctor there acancer doctor, a house doctor,
two spinal surgeons because ofmy back.
I asked the spinal surgeons.
I said, hey, what's the planhere?
What are you guys gonna do?
And they said we're not gonnado anything unless they get a
handle on the cancer.
You know they've got to fightthat and when we get on top of
(11:04):
that, we come in and we dosurgery and we put some kind of
a product in there that'sman-made.
That's so incredible that whenthey find your body a million
years from now and it's justdust.
These discs will still be therebecause this product is so
dense.
And but they said, until we geta handle on the cancer there's
(11:25):
nothing gonna happen.
So what happened was the four ofthem the house doctor, the
cancer doctor, the two spinalsurgeons came in my room that
morning and said we have a plan.
And I said what's the plan?
Because I was put in hospice onthe other side of town.
We wanna do two surgeriestomorrow.
Stop your testosteroneproduction because it's feeding
the cancer.
Put your port in your chest andthe next day start chemo.
(11:48):
So if we can stop feeding itand start killing it, there's
your chance.
And I said let's go.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean, that was the plan that had very weeks, weeks.
You know, I've gave a plan andso I went into two surgeries
that next morning and, like Isaid, still going through a lot
of pain and had still spend in50 years old, diagnosed with
cancer, and I have the twosurgeries I'm in the recovery
room.
The doctors came in one by oneand explained that these
(12:17):
surgeries went perfectly andthat they were gonna follow up
with me.
Once I left the hospital, thenurses brought me water and said
hey, a few more minutes.
You're gonna go upstairs, yourfamily's waiting for you, you're
looking good, you're doing good, and I'm laying there waiting
to go upstairs and I'm thinkingabout my boys and my family
upstairs.
And for no reason at all andthis is the interesting part,
this is what blows my mind isall for no reason at all.
(12:41):
The room turned weird cold andI'm thinking what just happened?
Where did that come from?
And so the first thing I do isI look to my right, which is the
double doors where they'retaking the patients in and out
for surgeries, and I look downthere and thinking somebody left
the door open and the cold airis coming through.
When I look down there, thedoors are shut.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So there I start to go back to my left and I said
this is weird, where's the aircoming from?
I come back to my left andthere's somebody standing right
here over my left shoulder and Ikind of jumped because it
startled me and I'm thinkingit's a doctor or a nurse.
I'm laying in the ER right orin the recovery room of the
hospital and I'm thinking it's adoctor or a nurse, and the
person standing there reachesout and touches my shoulder and
as soon as he touched myshoulder, in my head it says
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you're in the presence of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Wow.
Like you just got a second life.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm like what is this ?
And I look up again and he'sgone and, according to what I
heard in my head, for two tothree seconds of my life I was
in the presence of Jesus and I'man old Catholic boy that hasn't
been a church in 15 years.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I was just gonna say to you so have you been like
really into your faith prior tothis?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But no, obviously, no , I was a believer.
I learned the basics and Ilearned the foundation Thanks to
the Catholic church.
That in the Catholic schoolthat I went to in Ohio but never
established something thathappened that night in the
hospital room of laying therewith this head spinning like
what in the heck is going onhere at 50?
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And is this a long journey orshort journey?
And I've got boys at home andI've got things in my life I
haven't accomplished.
And all of a sudden I hear avoice in my head, like I called
it download, and I hear what areyou doing?
You've been a fighter yourentire life.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Wow, how old were your boys at this time?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
13 and 15.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah so they were they were old enough to be aware
to watch and witness you oh.
Yeah this miraculous experience.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah.
But was the first thing whenthey experienced was my dad's
dying, and you know that thatthey went through that, those
emotions and that stuff in theirhead.
And then the next thing I hearis as long as you're alive, be
fully alive right and I'm, andI'm laying there in bed feeling
sorry for myself because ofcancer and what's going on in my
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Voice at home, and all this,and I sit up in the bed, I put
my feet on the floor and I'mgonna go towards the bathroom to
wash my face and turn off thelights, which I put off, and and
instead of going in thebathroom, I went on the hospital
floor and I started walking andI walked two laps around the
hospital floor as nails facedown 40 pounds, little, little
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teeny, you know chopstick legsand I get back to the room,
washed my face, turn off light,get in bed and I, I thank God
and I thank God and I and I saidyou know what, I don't know
what's gonna happen next, but Iknow that you did something here
and I don't know what's goingon.
But I'm completely in and sothat that that is actually my,
(15:44):
my way of saying that that wasmy night of of having a personal
relationship with Jesus.
That's before that I didn'thave it.
Before that I, I would say I'mthe spiritual guy I go out for a
hike on Sunday morning becausethat's God's church all around
me.
I was that guy and all of asudden I'm chatting with,
chatting with with God, and andthe relationship started there
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and started to grow.
And what I realized was thatNext day, when the nurses came
into my room and it said, okay,time for your meds.
And they said here's yoursteroids for shrinking your
tumors, here's your, your bonestrengtheners.
Now your pain meds are asneeded, and so on a scale from
one to ten.
How bad, you know, how bad isyour pain right now.
(16:27):
It's, with ten being the worst.
And I sat up in the bed and Isaid I don't feel any pain and
they said order something.
You know, you just you justbroke your back and had surgery.
Order something because we needto build the insurance right and
I said I don't even like takingaspirin, so I'm not.
I'm not taking a drug if Idon't need it exactly.
(16:47):
And so and so at that point,what happened was they handed me
the nurse call button and theysaid when it comes back and it
will, because you know they'rein the medical industry and they
just seen what I just beenthrough yeah, they said what
comes back and it will hit thebutton and we'll get in here and
get you on something.
We don't want to get too farout of control.
And from May 26 2015 to hangingout with you right now, I never
(17:10):
touched another pain med.
I love it the medical, themedical industry was flipping
out.
I love and and I startedthrough chemo because I didn't
know what just happened or whatwas gonna happen.
All I know is that the chemoreally floored me and I had all
the side effects from a burntburnt the lining of my throat
and Floored me, I couldn't getout of bed and just a mess.
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But on the days like three daysafter the chemo, I was up,
moving, so I would go to thepark and walk, I would get in
the pool and swim, I would pushmyself to do things when I could
, yeah, and then another chemosession and back down again.
So, basically, what happenedwas they you know they they were
going, was going through mychemo and they did my scans
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after three months.
And my doctors from Pakistan,and she's a little fireplug.
I picked her because I love theway she, you know just, you're
not just another number walkingin her door, you're actually,
you know, somebody that you knowshe's, she's going through your
files, she's going through howthe cancer is behaving and all
this amazing stuff.
And so and what happens is Iwalk in and she's like I
(18:15):
couldn't wait to see you todayand I said, why, dr Maad what's
going on?
And she says I studied cancerall over the world.
I've never seen anything likethis before in my life.
She said your journey is not ofmedicine, it's miraculous.
She says not only have you beenhealed of terminal cancer, but
the bones in your body are soclean we couldn't tell they were
ever broken.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Holy cow, yeah, yeah.
See, now you understand whythis is such an inspirational
interview, like he's so amazing,like such a crazy, amazing,
awesome, inspirational storylike this is unreal.
These are the kind of storiesthat people really need to
listen to, and hear and connectwith and and know that there is
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still a fighting chance.
You know you don't have to, youdon't have to hear those words
and say that's it, I'm gonna dieand whatever you know, as long
as you can fight and you can,you know, have faith and and be
an advocate for yourself andfight for yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I understand that
there's a such thing out thereis called case studies.
So if you've got a thousandpeople your age with this type
of cancer, then you know.
And then so they say well, youknow what, based on what we're
seeing here, you've got sixmonths to live or a year to live
, right, and hey, I Got puppiesin the house and and they say
(19:32):
these things and and then thepatient goes home Just hearing
they've got a year to live andthey're on the couch, freaking
out, bummed out, yeah.
And then somebody's like you gota call, you know, you got a
call Chuck's Foundation and chatwith him.
And I get him on the phone andand they're really not in that
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bad physical Shape but themental shape they're in because
what the news they just heard isso alarming and such a such a
tough thing.
I came up with a phrase.
I came up with a lot of phrases, but one of my favorite phrases
is cancer is a situation, not asentence mm-hmm, and and.
(20:13):
And the thing is, me andThousands of other people I've
met now like me that were toldthey had three months, six
months, a year, two years tolive, 15 years later are still
kicking it.
And so we are that that, reallythat I know they use the word
hope in marketing out there allthe time, but we are the real
hope.
Sure, the stories.
(20:34):
And they're sitting there onthe phone or face-to-face
Talking to you and they'relooking at you and they're
looking at my bone and seeing mebroken down body, bad bone
scans, cancer, all these things,and they're looking at me now,
you know, eight years later, andI'm I'm doing crazy stuff all
over the world and and they andthey go wow, wow, and all of a
(20:56):
sudden you see that person thatwas like, okay, I've been told I
have, you know, six months or ayear, live.
They've got that.
Look on their face to all thesudden.
So, chuck, what do we do withthis?
Do you juice?
Do you have a juicer?
No, I don't have a juicer.
Okay, get a juicer, get aproduce and call me.
I get a call three days later.
All right, buddy, here we go.
(21:16):
I got my juicer, I got myproduce.
What are we gonna do?
And the cool thing about that,the what, what they just said
was it's not, it's not what theyjust said, it's, it's how they
just said it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're excited.
They're like okay, what do Ineed to do to save my life?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They went from I'm dying to I'm fighting Right
Different whole different showMindset.
Right, whole different mindset,whole different walk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, different scene , same movie, different scene.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's right.
That's right and you know.
The thing about it is you knowhow it is.
It's cancer or it's anything inlife.
When you can see it, you knowyou can achieve it.
When you believe it, you canachieve it.
The mind is everything, 100%.
If you're told you're you knowgonna die and you're bumming out
your mind's telling your wholebody we're dying.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, shut down, but when you?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
get a crazy guy like Chuck that calls you and says
you're living and you're gonnaget up and live and all of a
sudden, you know, you see thedifference on their face.
So what's going on in theirmind and what kind of messages
is it sending to every cell intheir body?
We're gonna, we're gonna kickbutt.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yep, I had so many people even to this day they're
like I don't understand how you,you know, stayed so positive
through your diagnosis andthroughout.
For them, I'm like it was achoice.
Happiness is a choice.
My mindset is a choice.
You have to work on it everysingle day.
You know, whatever it iswhether it's a cancer diagnosis,
whether it's you know someother trauma or tragedy that
happens in life it's 100%mindset.
You have to look at it and like, no, this is, I'm gonna change
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the narrative and this is whatit's gonna look like and this is
how I'm gonna see it and thisis how I'm going to direct it
and it's it really it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And I and I you know I went through it through my
cancer journey of going to thegym when I my body was melted
down 40 pounds, walking in there, didn't want to be there.
I used to lift the whole stackof weights and I put the pin
under the top one and I move itand I'm doing my exercises.
And I thought about it and Isaid you know what?
You're not that gym guy, thatgym rat.
(23:15):
You know that you used to beYep, but you're here.
But you're here and and itwould be very easy to to not get
in the car and not to drivethere and not to be there.
And I told myself right then Isaid it's a serious mind over
matter situation.
And that's exactly what you'resaying right now.
We have a choice to stay in bed, cover up your head.
(23:37):
If doctor said you got a yearto live, you know, cover up your
head, live in fear.
Or you have the choice to getup and live, and it may start
with some baby steps and somemini goals.
It may start slow because you'vehad a surgery because of your
cancer or you're going through atreatment that's kicking your
butt.
It may start slow, but itdoesn't matter if it starts slow
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and you're like you know what,chuck, I'm walking to the
kitchen and making tea for thenext two weeks, okay.
I'm walking to the mailbox.
Okay, I actually went to thebeach and walked on the beach
today.
I see these stories everysingle day and it blows my mind
and I love it.
I know I'm where I'm supposedto be.
You know getting these peopleto these places and off of their
(24:19):
couch.
And one of my favorite ones isa friend from Atlantic City who
is still going through hercancer right now, but she was
bummed out, not leaving thehouse for a year and a half, and
I get a picture from her andher husband on vacation and
she's swimming with dolphins.
Oh, that's awesome and I'm likehi, I'm so jealous, I would have
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been there and you're kickingbutt.
You know you're getting up andliving so.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I can relate to the, the, the whole, not the gym rat
anymore, and all of that, likegoing through menopause here I'm
51 menopause, like I've lostall muscle mass.
I'm like, what is this?
15 fluffy shit.
I didn't sign up for this andlike, but I do.
I mean I can sit there and getdepressed, I can get frustrated,
or I could be like you knowwhat?
I'm alive.
I'm alive and yeah, I'm.
I don't have the strength.
I'm still, you know, stillworking with some cancer.
(25:07):
You know patients through theirexercise recovery, but, like I,
we're doing the best we can.
And like you know what I can.
Either I can sit and bedepressed about it or I can just
laugh about it and be like,well, you know what?
Like you said, I can move thepin, I can change my weight, I
can do different exercises, Ican, I can do something, but at
least I'm doing something.
And I look at myself goingthrough this and this mental
psychoconversation that happenswith this stupid committee up
(25:28):
here.
And then I can see this guywho's like 70 something, eight
years old, on the treadmill andI'm like, look at him, go every
day, he just gets up he goes upthe treadmill.
He's like two minutes, you knowor 10 miles, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So you know I like to take it what maybe even one
step further than what you justsaid.
You know I have the choice todo these things.
How about I have the choice todo these things with a smile on
my face?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's right.
That's how we're changing theworld, with a smile at a time.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, to do these things with with joy in my heart
, a smile on my face and youknow that that's the way my
brain works and and even throughmy cancer journey and
everything I see going on, and Iknow we'll talk about a little
bit about like, like what I'mdoing now, but what happened was
being the problem solver that Iam.
You know, here's a situation,here's something I can do,
(26:14):
here's something that's going toimprove my life, my health, my
attitude, and then I startedthinking about it.
I'm like how many more peopleare out there going through this
that I could actually sharethis with and help them and
change their life?
And that's pretty much whathappened to me in the last eight
years after my stage fourBuilding that community right.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Building that community of like-minded people
who they can feel that they cansurround themselves.
Because whether you're alone oreven if you have family, they
don't understand, they're not inthat same mindset.
They don't know what to say,how to do it.
Any of you know the right orwrong things to say or you know
they just can't.
They're not there.
Not that they're not trying,but when you can be with
like-minded people and they getit and and you know, yeah, maybe
(26:56):
, maybe it's a different outlookof life, and you're just like,
well, how can you just be happyall the time because it's a
choice.
But you know what, if I dietomorrow, at least I know I can
say that I was happy everyfreaking day and did.
I did whatever I wanted all thetime and had fun in my fun
pants.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's right.
That's right, and you know thething is with social media.
I know some people are like,well, I'm not big on social
media, blah, blah, blah.
The thing is, what I do loveabout it is not only are they
hearing us like doing a podcastor chatting or doing a live or
whatever it may be, they canwatch us.
You know they can watch us, andso that's why I love my social
(27:33):
media platforms is because Iactually I did my first
international trip to theNetherlands.
I'm all over the country nowand and how can this guy, after
stage four cancer, do some ofthe stuff that he's doing?
I would say the probably thecraziest thing that I did.
The other, the other stuff ismore coaching and teaching and
speaking, but I did last yearride a bicycle from San Diego.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
The St Augustine, florida, and it took me 75 days,
50 miles a day.
Two and a half months of mylife I rode a bike and I wanted
to do it to prove to people thatafter a cancer diagnosis
there's so much life still outthere.
And then I started a cancerfoundation and I also wanted to
do it, to bring it, to bring itawareness.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So let's talk about that in just a minute, shall we?
Let's take a break.
We want to hear from our paidsponsor and I want you all to
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Speaker 3 (28:38):
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Speaker 1 (29:56):
All right, here we are.
We are back with Chuck Kiehl's.
I'm super excited.
As you can tell, he is superawesome, inspiring and amazing
and a true thriver.
So, with everything that he'sbeen through, there's so much
more that if you want to knowmore about GoFollow him on
social media.
We'll give you all of his linksand whatnot in the show notes.
But he has also come outthriving and really truly is
(30:20):
giving back to the cancercommunity in so many different
ways.
So, chuck, let us know how wecame up with get up and live.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Wow.
Well, there's a part of thestory that we really haven't
gotten into yet.
After my survival, it wasgetting better and I was
starting to tell other peoplehow they can get better.
What happened was I startedvolunteering for a lot of cancer
foundations all different kindsof stuff and probably one of
(30:51):
the bigger ones was that was thekeynote speaker for American
Cancer Society here in Arizonain 2020.
And it was, like you know, justhelping everybody else's
foundations.
And what happened was I meetthis beautiful young lady and
she's got stage four triplenegative breast cancer, and so
(31:14):
we actually started hanging outhaving coffee, talking about
life, cancer, faith, beingsingle parents and all this
stuff.
And what we realized was I waslike man, she's very attractive,
and so I say, you know, I wascurious.
I said do you want to go out ona date besides talking about
cancer and having coffee?
(31:35):
And so we started dating, fellin love and got married, and so
that was an interesting journey,because now you've got two
stage four cancer people runningaround together, you know.
And so when we got back fromthe honeymoon, she's seen all
the calls I was taken and shesaid I think we need to start a
foundation.
So she was the brains behind ofLiving Hope Cancer Foundation
(31:59):
is what we launched in Februaryof 2020.
The Living Hope CancerFoundation really nothing
changed.
We launched, we launched a501c3 nonprofit and to love on
cancer people, but nothingchanged.
And what I mean by that is wewere.
We were already doing it.
We were already loving oncancer people.
We were coaching people throughthe hardest things in their
(32:21):
life.
We were there with them.
We were hugging, crying,laughing.
We were, we were new bestfriends in their life.
And so just because it waslabeled now Living Hope Cancer
Foundation and nonprofit,nothing really changed.
We can continue.
Continue doing what we werealready doing.
And so what happened in thenext three and a half years was
(32:42):
we started the foundation.
I had already authored my firstbook about my miraculous healing
and it's kind of funny becausethe end of the book says I don't
know what's next.
But I do, but I do hear alittle bit of a rumble like
God's got a plan but I don'tknow what it is.
And then and then I helpedHannah.
Hannah actually had a lot ofnotes and stuff.
(33:03):
So we put together andpublished a book.
Her book called Faith like skinand it was just about her tough
things in life, including yourcancer journey, and how our
faith got her through that.
So it was called faith likeskin.
And we are writing a third booktogether called get up and live
, and it's it's I I'm notkidding you.
I was coming back from speakingin Florida and I was going
(33:26):
through the airport and God said, read your own book.
And I go what.
And I was like digging throughmy backpack and I found one.
I was like I got one.
So on the way back I read, Iread my own book and I was
laughing and I was crying and Iwas like, wow, and the reason
why?
It's?
Because you know it's, it's allabout what we were going
(33:47):
through, what we were dealingwith the cancer, the surgeries,
the treatments, the spread.
This is gone.
Now it's shown up somewhereelse and now we're trying a new
treatment because it's triplenegative and it's not hormone
controlled and you know.
So we dealt with all of thisand we talked about it through
our book and we talked about ourfaith and how, you know, being
(34:08):
together as a couple and beingmarried, how these things got us
through some of the hardestthings in life, and so I really
enjoy reading my own book.
The lady next to me was justfinishing a book and I go have
you picked your next book yet?
And she goes no, I said, hereyou go, and I signed it and gave
her a copy of mine.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And I said this is mine and she goes no way.
You're an author and I go.
That's the crazy.
That's the funniest thing inthe world also is being a
published author.
I never dreamed of it in amillion years, but that's kind
of.
You know.
A lot, of, a lot of changes andamazing things happened when my
faith became part of my walk.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So so plan for cancer .
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right.
So so we were.
I was coaching somebody sittingat my desk one day both of our
desks were side by side here inthe office and he said I was
diagnosed four months ago andsince the diagnosis not that I
can't get out of bed physically,I'm having trouble getting out
of bed mentally.
And I haven't gotten out of mybed in four months since my
(35:11):
diagnosis oh, geez, and Hannah'ssitting in the same room and
she goes.
You need to tell him he needsto get up and live.
And I was like you need to getup and live.
You got to get out of bed, yougot to take a shower and feel
human again.
Yeah, you've got to, you know,you've got to.
You know you, you know, dothings, you know be, you know
get up and live.
And and so get up and livebecame way bigger than I ever
(35:36):
imagined At first.
It was just get up and live,telling the cancer patient that
was you get up and live mentally, get up and live physically.
And can we get up and livespiritually?
So get up and live.
And then me and Hannah evenwent out and got to get up and
live.
On us, get up and liveeverything we have, and we even
patented get up and live phrase.
So we we own it now.
(35:57):
We actually own the phrase.
And so and so, in this amazingtrip of speaking events,
authoring books, me pinchingmyself like who, dude, who are
you?
And so what was was the journeywith Hannah's cancer, you know,
like I said, a couple of reallyreally traumatizing surgeries
and a lot of changing of thetreatment, a lot of broken bones
(36:19):
and 30 days in bed through theholidays.
And I was like, oh my gosh, youknow, all of our holiday plans
are out the window because she'sgoing to be stuck in bed for
the next month or two months.
And every single friend we hadcame over and we had chairs in
her room and a table and theybrought food and they brought
cookies and cake and we had themost amazing holiday.
(36:40):
Even though Hannah wasbedridden, written for 30 days,
we didn't skip a beat.
It was absolutely beautiful andamazing.
And throughout this journey,like I said me, ride the bike
across the country she drove anRV, you know, behind me.
It was such a team, it was socool and such a beautiful
relationship and the love was soamazing.
(37:00):
But in what happened was theyfound three little nodes on her
brain and they said you know,we're thinking the best thing is
just to get rid of them andjust do brain radiation get rid
of them.
And you know, we're stilllearning a lot about cancer and
treatments and alternativechoices and things like that,
and so at the time we just shookour head Okay, that's what
we're supposed to do.
(37:20):
Well, what happened was she gotthe brain radiation.
That took two weeks, five days,weekend off, five days and
everything started changing.
And the next four months I'mgoing to get emotional.
The next four months I watchedher body shut down, her organs
started turning off, her bodycouldn't take the radiation, it
(37:41):
couldn't take the treatment andit'll be.
It'll be a year in November 29.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, one year, so 11 months ago, I lost Hannah and
it was, without a doubt,probably the hardest thing that
I've ever had to deal with in mylife.
And what happened?
Through my?
Okay, get back on the horse.
I went to Florida and did.
I did 17 speaking events inlike 21 days.
I mean, I was fried, but I waslike I'm jumping back on the
(38:10):
horse.
I started doing these things andevery time I did them and came
back to Phoenix I felt likeweight was lifted off my back.
It was part of my morningprocess, it was part of my
dealing with you.
You lost her, but she wants youto get up and live also and
just like, if I lost, if she, if, if I died, I would want Hannah
(38:30):
to have the most amazing life,to go on, to be successful, to
be happy, to meet somebody new,whatever, whatever that, that,
that that encased.
I would want that for her andI'm sure she wants that for me.
And so living hope cancerfoundation is is is on fire.
It's growing throughout thecountry and a little bit around
the world.
Get up and liveorg.
(38:50):
We captured that because it wasjust so easy to remember Get up
and live every year.
There's people that caught getup and live foundation, which
it's not, but I don't mind itbecause it's kind of go with it.
It works.
It works and so get up andliveorg is.
We started putting videos onthere and there's 60 free videos
.
There's 40 about any kind ofcancer, there's another I think
(39:12):
16 or 20, about breast cancerand what it looks like to deal
with going through a mastectomyand all these things.
And Hannah came from.
She's a nurse OR nurse, and shewent through all of this and we
made these little three, four,five minute videos.
And there's the ones about anykind of cancer are called the
cancer roadmap and then rightunder that on our website it
(39:34):
says in case of breast cancer,and you go on there and you
watch these videos and peopleare actually sending us emails
and text messages and messengermessages saying thank you so
much.
It's exactly what I'm needingand my doctor's not saying this,
and so we're putting out there,because we're cancer people,
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what to do to get through thisand to do this and to smile and
to get up and live.
And if you are having sideeffects from your treatment,
step back, know your body.
And we started advocating forthat, which we just didn't know
in the past and we may havetaken a different route If we
(40:14):
knew what you know.
Hannah's body hated radiation.
She had one other time on a, ona no, been her lung and
couldn't swallow, so bad thatthey had a punch a hole in her
tummy and put a feeding tube in.
So we've been through all ofthis stuff and now I've have
people who in here here's thedeal.
I'm not.
I'm not a doctor, I don't havea medical background.
(40:35):
All I can do is talk about whatI've dealt with myself and what
I've seen around me.
And I have people who said youknow, we're really against the
radiation or the chemo and we'rethinking about just going
through these other routes andthey are cancer free now.
So it's happening out there.
But I also know that the powerof the mind, our face, all these
(40:58):
things are the package.
You've got to put it alltogether and that's that's.
That's what's getting peoplethrough this, through this
monster that we call cancer.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, I mean it truly is.
I actually have a couplegirlfriends right now that are
going through that same you knowmental struggle of I don't want
to do radiation.
I do not want to do radiationat all, period, not interested
in it, whatever.
I refused it and they're likedon't, like there's more Harm
that than good that comes from,with the side effects on the
organs and things like that.
So, but like you said, you knowit's hard like yes, no, we're
(41:29):
not physicians.
We can only share our ownjourney, our own experiences and
things like that.
We do our research and we alsohave to remember that, you know,
doctors go to school.
For there's a problem, here's asolution with medicine, boom,
here we go next.
And I oh and, by the way, ps, Ialso get kickbacks on that.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
So now and and you know the thing about it is is is
is they?
They say this is the, the, thetest that you have, this is a
scan you had and this is whatyou have and this is what we
need To do to go in there andtry to kill that and that stuff
not only kills cancer cells butkills healthy cells.
And but what the thing that I'vereally gotten into in the last
(42:04):
couple years is is what causedthat.
How did that start?
Right, do you know?
What?
Is it your diet?
Is it your cleaning products inyour house?
Is it a toxic relationship?
Is it a boss that you justcan't stand and you want to tell
him to take a hike and quitthat job?
But you got to pay your bills,so you stay there, right?
All of these toxic thingsaround us cause all kinds of
(42:26):
problems in the human body, andwhen the problem start, if the
immune system starts droppingdown and you're not fueling it,
you're not juicing, you're nottaking vitamins, you're not
doing all these amazing thingsfor your immune system and it
starts dropping down, there'salways cancer cells present in
our body.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
They're ready.
They're like hey, I'm ready,I'm up, yep.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yep.
And as soon as your immunesystem is not there to kick butt
, they start taking over andnext thing, you know, it's like
oh, what's going on here?
I don't feel good and thedoctor comes back with a cancer
diagnosis.
But you know, the thing is,what we're doing is we're
fighting, and this is kind offunny You'll laugh about this
just because my energy and mybig mouth and everything I start
talking about you know the allof the alternative treatments
(43:08):
and some of them I've used.
You know.
I mean I consider startrattling off alternative things
that people are using, and someof my favorites are sour-sob tea
, apricot seeds, miso-toetherapy, using castor oil
patches on tumor areas andDissolving the tumors.
That I can go in all this stuffand every time I get wild about
(43:30):
it, god reels me back in.
You're my positive mindset guy,yeah put you in this realm and
this is your passion, this isyour purpose of positive mindset
and teaching somebody to get upand live, and so what I'm doing
now is I'm going to startputting all of the resources on
my website and so that not onlycan they go on there and hear me
talk about the get up and live,and Did you make it to your
(43:53):
mailbox and back today, did youlay on your living room floor
and do maybe a sound healingclass or or a typed in on
YouTube, a stretching class forbeginners?
Are you doing that kind ofstuff?
And then I'll put all of thethe dietitians, the Alternatives
, the doctors that I'm dealingwith now around the world, that
(44:13):
get into all the alternativetherapies I'll put them on there
and make them available.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
that way, I don't I'm not the guy talking about him-
yeah, even though I absolutelylove him, I have a cancer
nutritionist I need to connectyou with.
She's actually down here inFort Lauderdale.
I'll connect you with her.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I have a huge group in Port St Lucie that I deal
with on a regular basis too.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Nice yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Absolutely Everyone can go to Find you at get up and
live get up and liveorg is thewebsite.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It's all free.
We work our tails off to raisemoney and all different raised
right now and we're still a baby, you know.
I mean I mean if I have enoughmoney in my account to have the
lights on and to sit here at mycomputer and coach Six people
today.
You know that's that's whatit's all about.
Maybe someday it'll be a littlebigger, a little more of a
household word.
You know that'll all happen inthe right timing.
(45:01):
But get up and liveorg takesyou to living hope cancer
foundation.
If you want to see somethingreally funny, go on YouTube and
type in Chuck Kiehl's.
We did it one day just for thefun of it and it's all of our
videos and oh nice.
My wedding video, my weddingvideo with Hannah is on there,
and I did a.
(45:22):
I had a movie crew come out toScottsdale and film me and put
me on the 700 Club, which is aworldwide TV program, and that's
all on there.
So it's kind of fun If you justgo on YouTube and yeah, meals
and watch it's, it's a lot of,it's a lot of you know amazing
stuff.
But you know, the thing is whatwhat this all comes back to is.
(45:42):
You know, we've dealt with somevery tough Journeys in our life.
What do we, what choices are wegoing to make when that happens
?
And and we want, if you're justbeat, beat up from the
treatment, from the, from thediagnosis, from the mental
things, you may need a Chuck,you may, you know, you may need
a Shannon, you may need anotherperson just to hug you and just
(46:05):
to walk you through this, to getyou out of that mess, so that
then you start acquiring yourown strength and you can start
doing these things on your own.
And I really feel like that'sthat's, that's my, that's my
purpose.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Absolutely 100%.
So now people can makedonations on your website,
correct?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, they can go on the website.
There's a couple differentplaces they can donate.
We love the ones that say Iwant to donate 20 bucks a month,
50 bucks a month Becausebecause then it's not the crazy
ups and downs of.
We got some donations thismonth we got very few donations,
so we're starting to see moreand more of those and we can
start planning things.
We have a lot of programs.
I mean, we, we made a jacks, wemade a little dog.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I have it on my desk.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, you got a jacks dog and we made these little
jacks stuff dogs and it saysjacks for hope and on the tag up
by the tail says free cancercoaching, get up and liveorg.
And we've sent out over 400 ofthem so far.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I got one of them.
I got one of them.
It's on my desk.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yep, that's right and so, and then, what I love about
it is it makes people smile.
It makes people smile.
I get, I get this, I get theselfie with the jacks dog of
them and the cancer Thriver andthe jacks dog and they're
smiling and I know that that isbeautiful, that is so cool, you
know.
So we have all these programsand all these things in mind,
but you know, you can't, youcan't, they, they're not free.
(47:22):
It's just like if you own yourown business of nonprofit, as a
business, it costs murky to havethe lights on and to do what
you do, and so, yeah, you can goon there and donate if you know
of a business that is lookingfor a very, very good cause.
You know, I like my corporate,corporate sponsors.
They help us do the biggerprojects and you know we're, no
(47:42):
matter what happens, we're gonnakeep doing what we do and we're
gonna keep loving on cancerpeople Because of of.
We know what it's like to gothrough this journey.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We know what it's like to deal with this and and
and I always pray that Nobodyeven if someone's diagnosed and
they're not married or they're,you know whatever situation is
we, I always pray that no onegoes through their cancer
journey alone.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Absolutely that's.
That's like the scariest thing.
Yeah, so all donations gotowards cancer coaching courses
100%.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Okay, 100%.
100% goes towards thefoundation and the cancer
coaching.
Like I said, if we've got to dosomething that costs money,
that comes out of the same thesame category as the of the
donations.
But I would say probably 90%goes towards the cancer coaching
.
And in the cancer coaching wewant a cancer patient, their
caregiver, their family, thepeople around them, to get
(48:34):
involved with the coaching.
So I may be on the speakerphoneor on a zoom call with a whole
group, because I want the wholegroup to be on the same team.
We're gonna fight this together.
It's not just one person goingthrough this, and so the cancer
coaching is absolutely huge andI love my one-on-one coaching.
The website is because it didget overwhelming and my board of
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directors said start puttingvideos on there.
They can go and watch thelibrary and that's.
That's helped out a lot.
But I love, love, love myone-on-one coaching.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, and it's always , you know, in any business,
right?
You always want to be able togive value first.
Give value first beforeanyone's gonna give money, right
?
Like in any any coaching, inthe coaching that I've done,
whether it's with breast cancerrecovery, whether it's real
estate coaching, businesscoaching, entrepreneurship,
whatever you always have to givevalue first.
Give value, give value, drop,drop, drop, drop, drop.
And then you're like okay, nowif you want the full gamut of
(49:23):
things, it's gonna cost moneyand that's just life right.
Yeah, yeah, but you know thoselittle resources can at least
help somebody one day at a time.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yep, you know.
So we've been through thesecrazy journeys.
How many people can we helpthat need you know?
Just to hug in a little bit ofguidance of I didn't know I
could do that.
Or I had a lady tell me shedidn't know she could get out of
bed and go for a walk, what Idon't know if my doctor's going
to.
Okay that I said what.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
They better.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
You better get out of bed and go for a walk, you know
.
Yeah, go on a vacation and swimwith dolphins, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
And, but that's the thing, I've had a lot because
I'm stage four.
I've had a lot of people afterspeaking events and they're
lined up and I'm signing booksand hugging people and taking
pictures and there's always acouple of them that cut, that
wait till the very end and theycome up and they go.
Hey, guess what?
I was diagnosed with stage fourcancer and I was told I had a
year to live, 15 years ago, nice, and I love that story and that
(50:24):
gives me hope, right, and Itell their stories to give other
people's hope that we don'tknow if it's going to be another
.
You know, five months, fiveyears, 15 years, 25 years.
We don't know that.
But how beautiful and specialis right now, this moment, today
.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know, so don't waste it, don't waste it.
Get up and live.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Get up and live.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Get up and live All right.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
If you want to learn more about Chuck, I will put all
of his social media handlesinto the show notes and make
sure you get over togetupandlivedorg so you can
check out Living Hope CancerFoundation, learn more about
what he's doing to give back tothe community, the cancer
community and you know what.
It's the holidays.
So why don't you find it inyour heart to just drop I don't
know five, 10, 15, $20.
(51:09):
Let's go five.
Let's go five.
It's okay.
Just drop $5 in so you can helpanother cancer survivor
navigate their journey as well,right?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I appreciate you so much and I am so glad that we
finally got the opportunity tofinally chat face to face, not
just on social media or textmessage, and we finally were
able to share your journey,because it's magical and, just
for the record, folks, it is somuch more than what we just
covered in, and I know we wentover what we normally do in most
of my podcast episodes, but itwas so worth it.
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Right, you know it was Allright.
Make sure you save this episodetoo, so you can save it, share
it with other people that youthink would help and benefit
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Hey there and welcome to Bustin' Out of Breast Cancer
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I'm your host, shannon Brose, aRealtor who found her purpose
at the intersection of passionand pain while navigating her
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I am so excited to have ourguests on today.
You don't understand.
Like we, I've been followinghis journey for probably three
years, four years maybe.
I was actually introduced tohim by one of Briley's
gymnastics coaches here inFlorida.
(01:03):
She's like have you ever heardof this guy?
I was like no.
So I looked him up and Istarted following whatever, I
messaged him or whatever, andanyway, he's pretty cool and we
have not had very many maleguests on here.
So I'm really excited aboutthis and he has the most
incredible, empowering andinspiring journey that you're
going to need to just buckle upand sit down and have a little
listen.
You're probably going to wantto save this world.
Listen to it again.
So I would love to welcome you,chuck Keehles.
(01:25):
Thank you so much for beinghere.
I appreciate you being on thepodcast.
I'm so excited to see you faceto face and have a conversation,
not just social media.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you so much for inviting me on.
I am completely honored.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Aw, thank you.
So we've been playing tag ontrying to get you on here for
quite some time and then you'vehad your ups and downs, your
journey.
You're all over the worldspeaking and whatnot and sharing
all the awesomeness that you'redoing.
But let's take it back to thebeginning of your journey.
When were you diagnosed?
How did you know that you hadsomething going on, and what was
your actual diagnosis?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And I think also I want to add, before I even get
into that, jen the fact that nowI'm in the cancer industry and
I'm around breast cancer a lot,so that maybe gave me a little
more credentials as far as beingon here with you right now.
And then also through my cancerjourney I've had surgeries.
They actually stopped mytestosterone production and I
get hot flashes.
(02:16):
So maybe now we have more incommon.
Yeah, that's right.
So now I really feel morecomfortable when I fit right in.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Good.
So if we start stripping offour clothes, we know we're
having a hot flash.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Cover starts flying.
I know this too well, too well.
What I like to do is I like tojust tell a quick story about
how I even got into the cancerindustry, because my story is
definitely very different thanmost people and most people I'm
dealing with now as a cancercoach and I love telling it and
(02:56):
I love to see the look onpeople's faces and I'm not
kidding you, it's constantly.
I'm getting goosebumps andthings like that.
And so I was diagnosed withstage 4 prostate cancer in 2015.
And what happened with that wasI have something that I call
the male mentality, and that'swhen things start feeling weird
(03:17):
and you probably need to see adoctor and you keep putting it
off and saying I'll be okaytomorrow.
And I wasn't okay tomorrow.
I was getting worse and worseand I couldn't figure out what
was going on and I finally, on aFriday, after taking my two
boys out to dinner, I ended upat an emergency room in Gilbert
Arizona and I was diagnosed withstage 4 prostate cancer and
(03:38):
they said you just waited toolong and it's like that night I
just got the word cancer.
I went through all of thebiopsies, I went through all of
the tests and things, likeeverybody else does, bone scans,
everything but the result wasstage 4 prostate cancer and what
happened was that the prostatecancer started and in men, if
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they catch it at early stages,it's not as threatening or as
tough on a person.
There's a lot of interestingthings out there in the medical
industry and in the naturalindustry that actually can get
them through their journey, butonce it gets to stage 3 and
stage 4, a complete differentstory and you'll talk to people
who lost somebody to prostatecancer and once they find stage
(04:23):
4, it's on fire, it's going, youknow, it's running wild through
the body.
And that's what happened to me.
My nuclear bone scan came back.
It went from my prostate intomy bones and my lymph nodes and
it basically they said there wasa trace of cancer in 90% of the
bones in my body.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, so just head spinning.
You know you plan for yourkids' weddings, you plan for you
know all these things.
You do not plan to hear.
You have cancer and you're atstage 4 and there's nothing the
medical industry can do about it.
Go home and be at peace withyour family, Right?
And that exactly what happenedto me.
(05:05):
And not only did I go home andbe to be at peace with my family
, but that night I have a knockon the door and two hospice
nurses come in and are sittingon my living room couch, and one
of them had a tear on her face.
And I'm thinking in my head itcannot get any worse than this.
And this all happened in 2015,eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Wow, yeah, so they lived.
You went to the ER on that samenight.
They had hospice at your house.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, that was.
I went to the ER that night andthey said it was prostate
cancer.
They sent in some specialiststhe next day and did all the
biopsies and then they sent mehome and three days later called
me and said we got all yourtest results.
Come back and see your doc.
And when I went back to see thedoc he just shook his head.
He goes I can't even believe.
You just walked in here.
I've never seen bone scans likethis in the person still
walking around.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
So I feel like, with stage three and stage four,
regardless of what cancer it isis, I mean again, like you and I
, we, all those of us that havebeen, for we advocate early
detection, saves lives, likeliterally, if you literally
could just get out there, getyour screenings, do the things,
listen to your body, be your ownadvocate, all of that you
really can, you know, not get tothat stage, you know, get to
(06:17):
stage three and four.
So what were your symptoms?
I know that you said you were,you know, had a male mentality,
but like you, just you just felloff, you just didn't feel like
you were.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, I'm a gym guy.
I've been that way my wholelife.
I've been a fitness dude, youknow.
So I knew my body real well andthe first thing I noticed was,
all of a sudden, I was, I wasgetting tired and I and I'm the
type of guy that never getstired I go 110 miles an hour all
day long.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Those are my speeds, so I started.
I noticed Go and go faster.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
And then and then also, the a little bit of pain
started coming in in my back andcentral back, which would be my
spine, and then I startedlosing some weight and noticing
my hair started looking reallystrange.
And you know, so I, I, I got tothe point at stage four.
I was down at one point, down40 pounds.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
And not only that, shannon, but you know, when you
lose weight I wasn't I wasn't.
I may have had a little bit ofweight to lose, but I did not
have 40 pounds to lose.
And I looked at my legs and themuscle on my body melted off of
me.
I was actually in a hospitalbed looking at my legs and I go
who's legs are these?
These are not mine.
(07:25):
This is the weirdest thing inthe world.
And and so, yeah, it was the.
It was the signs around me ofmostly just just just tired,
achy, and the pain increased,increased, increased, and to the
point where I actually, like Isaid, end up in the ER,
diagnosed, thought, thoughtabout it and started thinking
(07:46):
you know, you're melting the waypretty fast here.
And you got two boys, singledad, and I raised my voice since
they were in diapers, and so Istarted thinking I need to get
my two boys back to Ohio becauseI'm melting away pretty fast
here.
And so made the plans that week.
And when you make plans, whenyou're diagnosed with stage four
cancer, it's not a calling themoving company making plans,
(08:10):
it's calling your friends and Icome, come by for a hug and take
whatever you want with you,because you don't move your crap
across the country when you'rediagnosed with stage four cancer
and told you had three monthsto live.
And so there was that.
That week I bought plane ticketsfor the following Sunday.
So the next six days was givingeverything we own away hugs and
(08:32):
tears.
And so we stayed at the HiltonTapatio Cliffs in Central
Phoenix.
Because, yes, kind of like ajoke, on Saturday my voice said
dad, where are we stayingtonight?
You gave away our beds, allright.
So I didn't think about that,you know.
So I called down and got areservation at the Hilton
(08:53):
Tapatio Cliffs.
It's close to the Phoenixairport.
I'm gonna fly the next morning.
We're gonna fly from Phoenixback to Columbus, ohio, where my
family's at and where I'moriginally from.
And the next morning I get up togo down the hall and in the
little resort and there's apopping sound and I hit the
floor and I can't move and I'mfeeling pain like I've never
(09:13):
felt before in my life.
And I always considered myselfkind of a tough old farm boy
from Ohio and this was totallybeyond me.
And I was laying there and Icouldn't even get a good breath
because of moving your diaphragm.
To just take a breath.
I couldn't do it and 911 wascalled and it took eight
(09:35):
firefighters to get me into oneof those Akiah sacks and then
onto a gurney and into anambulance and then down out of
the little mountain area to theclosest hospital called John C
Lincoln Hospital and every bumpthat I'm putting me in the
ambulance and every bump thatthe ambulance hit felt like
somebody was jabbing me in theback and the head Sends you over
(09:56):
the edge.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, it was incredible.
So I get to John C LincolnHospital and they said you just
suffered a compression fracture.
The scans and the x-rays andeverything they started doing
came back that my spine becauseof it was being metastasized,
jeopardized and broken down fromcancer collapsed in two
different places into the nerveendings, and it was absolutely
(10:20):
unbelievable if you couldimagine it.
And anybody else out therethat's ever went through broken
bone because of cancer knows thepain that comes from that.
And they finally got me onliquid morphine and some serious
pain meds so that I could justkind of relax and get through
the day and their scans.
(10:41):
Actually, what happened was theybrought in a cancer doctor that
was a house doctor there acancer doctor, a house doctor,
two spinal surgeons because ofmy back.
I asked the spinal surgeons.
I said, hey, what's the planhere?
What are you guys gonna do?
And they said we're not gonnado anything unless they get a
handle on the cancer.
You know they've got to fightthat and when we get on top of
(11:04):
that, we come in and we dosurgery and we put some kind of
a product in there that'sman-made.
That's so incredible that whenthey find your body a million
years from now and it's justdust.
These discs will still be therebecause this product is so
dense.
And but they said, until we geta handle on the cancer there's
(11:25):
nothing gonna happen.
So what happened was the four ofthem the house doctor, the
cancer doctor, the two spinalsurgeons came in my room that
morning and said we have a plan.
And I said what's the plan?
Because I was put in hospice onthe other side of town.
We wanna do two surgeriestomorrow.
Stop your testosteroneproduction because it's feeding
the cancer.
Put your port in your chest andthe next day start chemo.
(11:48):
So if we can stop feeding itand start killing it, there's
your chance.
And I said let's go.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I mean, that was the plan that had very weeks, weeks.
You know, I've gave a plan andso I went into two surgeries
that next morning and, like Isaid, still going through a lot
of pain and had still spend in50 years old, diagnosed with
cancer, and I have the twosurgeries I'm in the recovery
room.
The doctors came in one by oneand explained that these
(12:17):
surgeries went perfectly andthat they were gonna follow up
with me.
Once I left the hospital, thenurses brought me water and said
hey, a few more minutes.
You're gonna go upstairs, yourfamily's waiting for you, you're
looking good, you're doing good, and I'm laying there waiting
to go upstairs and I'm thinkingabout my boys and my family
upstairs.
And for no reason at all andthis is the interesting part,
this is what blows my mind isall for no reason at all.
(12:41):
The room turned weird cold andI'm thinking what just happened?
Where did that come from?
And so the first thing I do isI look to my right, which is the
double doors where they'retaking the patients in and out
for surgeries, and I look downthere and thinking somebody left
the door open and the cold airis coming through.
When I look down there, thedoors are shut.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So there I start to go back to my left and I said
this is weird, where's the aircoming from?
I come back to my left andthere's somebody standing right
here over my left shoulder and Ikind of jumped because it
startled me and I'm thinkingit's a doctor or a nurse.
I'm laying in the ER right orin the recovery room of the
hospital and I'm thinking it's adoctor or a nurse, and the
person standing there reachesout and touches my shoulder and
as soon as he touched myshoulder, in my head it says
(13:25):
you're in the presence of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Wow.
Like you just got a second life.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I'm like what is this ?
And I look up again and he'sgone and, according to what I
heard in my head, for two tothree seconds of my life I was
in the presence of Jesus and I'man old Catholic boy that hasn't
been a church in 15 years.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I was just gonna say to you so have you been like
really into your faith prior tothis?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
But no, obviously, no , I was a believer.
I learned the basics and Ilearned the foundation Thanks to
the Catholic church.
That in the Catholic schoolthat I went to in Ohio but never
established something thathappened that night in the
hospital room of laying therewith this head spinning like
what in the heck is going onhere at 50?
(14:12):
And is this a long journey orshort journey?
And I've got boys at home andI've got things in my life I
haven't accomplished.
And all of a sudden I hear avoice in my head, like I called
it download, and I hear what areyou doing?
You've been a fighter yourentire life.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Wow, how old were your boys at this time?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
13 and 15.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah so they were they were old enough to be aware
to watch and witness you oh.
Yeah this miraculous experience.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, yeah.
But was the first thing whenthey experienced was my dad's
dying, and you know that thatthey went through that, those
emotions and that stuff in theirhead.
And then the next thing I hearis as long as you're alive, be
fully alive right and I'm, andI'm laying there in bed feeling
sorry for myself because ofcancer and what's going on in my
(15:03):
Voice at home, and all this,and I sit up in the bed, I put
my feet on the floor and I'mgonna go towards the bathroom to
wash my face and turn off thelights, which I put off, and and
instead of going in thebathroom, I went on the hospital
floor and I started walking andI walked two laps around the
hospital floor as nails facedown 40 pounds, little, little
(15:23):
teeny, you know chopstick legsand I get back to the room,
washed my face, turn off light,get in bed and I, I thank God
and I thank God and I and I saidyou know what, I don't know
what's gonna happen next, but Iknow that you did something here
and I don't know what's goingon.
But I'm completely in and sothat that that is actually my,
(15:44):
my way of saying that that wasmy night of of having a personal
relationship with Jesus.
That's before that I didn'thave it.
Before that I, I would say I'mthe spiritual guy I go out for a
hike on Sunday morning becausethat's God's church all around
me.
I was that guy and all of asudden I'm chatting with,
chatting with with God, and andthe relationship started there
(16:06):
and started to grow.
And what I realized was thatNext day, when the nurses came
into my room and it said, okay,time for your meds.
And they said here's yoursteroids for shrinking your
tumors, here's your, your bonestrengtheners.
Now your pain meds are asneeded, and so on a scale from
one to ten.
How bad, you know, how bad isyour pain right now.
(16:27):
It's, with ten being the worst.
And I sat up in the bed and Isaid I don't feel any pain and
they said order something.
You know, you just you justbroke your back and had surgery.
Order something because we needto build the insurance right and
I said I don't even like takingaspirin, so I'm not.
I'm not taking a drug if Idon't need it exactly.
(16:47):
And so and so at that point,what happened was they handed me
the nurse call button and theysaid when it comes back and it
will, because you know they'rein the medical industry and they
just seen what I just beenthrough yeah, they said what
comes back and it will hit thebutton and we'll get in here and
get you on something.
We don't want to get too farout of control.
And from May 26 2015 to hangingout with you right now, I never
(17:10):
touched another pain med.
I love it the medical, themedical industry was flipping
out.
I love and and I startedthrough chemo because I didn't
know what just happened or whatwas gonna happen.
All I know is that the chemoreally floored me and I had all
the side effects from a burntburnt the lining of my throat
and Floored me, I couldn't getout of bed and just a mess.
(17:32):
But on the days like three daysafter the chemo, I was up,
moving, so I would go to thepark and walk, I would get in
the pool and swim, I would pushmyself to do things when I could
, yeah, and then another chemosession and back down again.
So, basically, what happenedwas they you know they they were
going, was going through mychemo and they did my scans
(17:52):
after three months.
And my doctors from Pakistan,and she's a little fireplug.
I picked her because I love theway she, you know just, you're
not just another number walkingin her door, you're actually,
you know, somebody that you knowshe's, she's going through your
files, she's going through howthe cancer is behaving and all
this amazing stuff.
And so and what happens is Iwalk in and she's like I
(18:15):
couldn't wait to see you todayand I said, why, dr Maad what's
going on?
And she says I studied cancerall over the world.
I've never seen anything likethis before in my life.
She said your journey is not ofmedicine, it's miraculous.
She says not only have you beenhealed of terminal cancer, but
the bones in your body are soclean we couldn't tell they were
ever broken.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Holy cow, yeah, yeah.
See, now you understand whythis is such an inspirational
interview, like he's so amazing,like such a crazy, amazing,
awesome, inspirational storylike this is unreal.
These are the kind of storiesthat people really need to
listen to, and hear and connectwith and and know that there is
(18:57):
still a fighting chance.
You know you don't have to, youdon't have to hear those words
and say that's it, I'm gonna dieand whatever you know, as long
as you can fight and you can,you know, have faith and and be
an advocate for yourself andfight for yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Yeah, and don't get me wrong, I understand that
there's a such thing out thereis called case studies.
So if you've got a thousandpeople your age with this type
of cancer, then you know.
And then so they say well, youknow what, based on what we're
seeing here, you've got sixmonths to live or a year to live
, right, and hey, I Got puppiesin the house and and they say
(19:32):
these things and and then thepatient goes home Just hearing
they've got a year to live andthey're on the couch, freaking
out, bummed out, yeah.
And then somebody's like you gota call, you know, you got a
call Chuck's Foundation and chatwith him.
And I get him on the phone andand they're really not in that
(19:52):
bad physical Shape but themental shape they're in because
what the news they just heard isso alarming and such a such a
tough thing.
I came up with a phrase.
I came up with a lot of phrases, but one of my favorite phrases
is cancer is a situation, not asentence mm-hmm, and and.
(20:13):
And the thing is, me andThousands of other people I've
met now like me that were toldthey had three months, six
months, a year, two years tolive, 15 years later are still
kicking it.
And so we are that that, reallythat I know they use the word
hope in marketing out there allthe time, but we are the real
hope.
Sure, the stories.
(20:34):
And they're sitting there onthe phone or face-to-face
Talking to you and they'relooking at you and they're
looking at my bone and seeing mebroken down body, bad bone
scans, cancer, all these things,and they're looking at me now,
you know, eight years later, andI'm I'm doing crazy stuff all
over the world and and they andthey go wow, wow, and all of a
(20:56):
sudden you see that person thatwas like, okay, I've been told I
have, you know, six months or ayear, live.
They've got that.
Look on their face to all thesudden.
So, chuck, what do we do withthis?
Do you juice?
Do you have a juicer?
No, I don't have a juicer.
Okay, get a juicer, get aproduce and call me.
I get a call three days later.
All right, buddy, here we go.
(21:16):
I got my juicer, I got myproduce.
What are we gonna do?
And the cool thing about that,the what, what they just said
was it's not, it's not what theyjust said, it's, it's how they
just said it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
They're excited.
They're like okay, what do Ineed to do to save my life?
Speaker 2 (21:33):
They went from I'm dying to I'm fighting Right
Different whole different showMindset.
Right, whole different mindset,whole different walk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, different scene , same movie, different scene.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
That's right.
That's right and you know.
The thing about it is you knowhow it is.
It's cancer or it's anything inlife.
When you can see it, you knowyou can achieve it.
When you believe it, you canachieve it.
The mind is everything, 100%.
If you're told you're you knowgonna die and you're bumming out
your mind's telling your wholebody we're dying.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Right, shut down, but when you?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
get a crazy guy like Chuck that calls you and says
you're living and you're gonnaget up and live and all of a
sudden, you know, you see thedifference on their face.
So what's going on in theirmind and what kind of messages
is it sending to every cell intheir body?
We're gonna, we're gonna kickbutt.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yep, I had so many people even to this day they're
like I don't understand how you,you know, stayed so positive
through your diagnosis andthroughout.
For them, I'm like it was achoice.
Happiness is a choice.
My mindset is a choice.
You have to work on it everysingle day.
You know, whatever it iswhether it's a cancer diagnosis,
whether it's you know someother trauma or tragedy that
happens in life it's 100%mindset.
You have to look at it and like, no, this is, I'm gonna change
(22:48):
the narrative and this is whatit's gonna look like and this is
how I'm gonna see it and thisis how I'm going to direct it
and it's it really it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
And I and I you know I went through it through my
cancer journey of going to thegym when I my body was melted
down 40 pounds, walking in there, didn't want to be there.
I used to lift the whole stackof weights and I put the pin
under the top one and I move itand I'm doing my exercises.
And I thought about it and Isaid you know what?
You're not that gym guy, thatgym rat.
(23:15):
You know that you used to beYep, but you're here.
But you're here and and itwould be very easy to to not get
in the car and not to drivethere and not to be there.
And I told myself right then Isaid it's a serious mind over
matter situation.
And that's exactly what you'resaying right now.
We have a choice to stay in bed, cover up your head.
(23:37):
If doctor said you got a yearto live, you know, cover up your
head, live in fear.
Or you have the choice to getup and live, and it may start
with some baby steps and somemini goals.
It may start slow because you'vehad a surgery because of your
cancer or you're going through atreatment that's kicking your
butt.
It may start slow, but itdoesn't matter if it starts slow
(23:58):
and you're like you know what,chuck, I'm walking to the
kitchen and making tea for thenext two weeks, okay.
I'm walking to the mailbox.
Okay, I actually went to thebeach and walked on the beach
today.
I see these stories everysingle day and it blows my mind
and I love it.
I know I'm where I'm supposedto be.
You know getting these peopleto these places and off of their
(24:19):
couch.
And one of my favorite ones isa friend from Atlantic City who
is still going through hercancer right now, but she was
bummed out, not leaving thehouse for a year and a half, and
I get a picture from her andher husband on vacation and
she's swimming with dolphins.
Oh, that's awesome and I'm likehi, I'm so jealous, I would have
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been there and you're kickingbutt.
You know you're getting up andliving so.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I can relate to the, the, the whole, not the gym rat
anymore, and all of that, likegoing through menopause here I'm
51 menopause, like I've lostall muscle mass.
I'm like, what is this?
15 fluffy shit.
I didn't sign up for this andlike, but I do.
I mean I can sit there and getdepressed, I can get frustrated,
or I could be like you knowwhat?
I'm alive.
I'm alive and yeah, I'm.
I don't have the strength.
I'm still, you know, stillworking with some cancer.
(25:07):
You know patients through theirexercise recovery, but, like I,
we're doing the best we can.
And like you know what I can.
Either I can sit and bedepressed about it or I can just
laugh about it and be like,well, you know what?
Like you said, I can move thepin, I can change my weight, I
can do different exercises, Ican, I can do something, but at
least I'm doing something.
And I look at myself goingthrough this and this mental
psychoconversation that happenswith this stupid committee up
(25:28):
here.
And then I can see this guywho's like 70 something, eight
years old, on the treadmill andI'm like, look at him, go every
day, he just gets up he goes upthe treadmill.
He's like two minutes, you knowor 10 miles, that's right.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
So you know I like to take it what maybe even one
step further than what you justsaid.
You know I have the choice todo these things.
How about I have the choice todo these things with a smile on
my face?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
That's right.
That's how we're changing theworld, with a smile at a time.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, to do these things with with joy in my heart
, a smile on my face and youknow that that's the way my
brain works and and even throughmy cancer journey and
everything I see going on, and Iknow we'll talk about a little
bit about like, like what I'mdoing now, but what happened was
being the problem solver that Iam.
You know, here's a situation,here's something I can do,
(26:14):
here's something that's going toimprove my life, my health, my
attitude, and then I startedthinking about it.
I'm like how many more peopleare out there going through this
that I could actually sharethis with and help them and
change their life?
And that's pretty much whathappened to me in the last eight
years after my stage fourBuilding that community right.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Building that community of like-minded people
who they can feel that they cansurround themselves.
Because whether you're alone oreven if you have family, they
don't understand, they're not inthat same mindset.
They don't know what to say,how to do it.
Any of you know the right orwrong things to say or you know
they just can't.
They're not there.
Not that they're not trying,but when you can be with
like-minded people and they getit and and you know, yeah, maybe
(26:56):
, maybe it's a different outlookof life, and you're just like,
well, how can you just be happyall the time because it's a
choice.
But you know what, if I dietomorrow, at least I know I can
say that I was happy everyfreaking day and did.
I did whatever I wanted all thetime and had fun in my fun
pants.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
That's right.
That's right, and you know thething is with social media.
I know some people are like,well, I'm not big on social
media, blah, blah, blah.
The thing is, what I do loveabout it is not only are they
hearing us like doing a podcastor chatting or doing a live or
whatever it may be, they canwatch us.
You know they can watch us, andso that's why I love my social
(27:33):
media platforms is because Iactually I did my first
international trip to theNetherlands.
I'm all over the country nowand and how can this guy, after
stage four cancer, do some ofthe stuff that he's doing?
I would say the probably thecraziest thing that I did.
The other, the other stuff ismore coaching and teaching and
speaking, but I did last yearride a bicycle from San Diego.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I saw that.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
The St Augustine, florida, and it took me 75 days,
50 miles a day.
Two and a half months of mylife I rode a bike and I wanted
to do it to prove to people thatafter a cancer diagnosis
there's so much life still outthere.
And then I started a cancerfoundation and I also wanted to
do it, to bring it, to bring itawareness.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So let's talk about that in just a minute, shall we?
Let's take a break.
We want to hear from our paidsponsor and I want you all to
hear about all the amazingthings that Chuck is now doing
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Speaker 3 (28:38):
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Speaker 1 (29:56):
All right, here we are.
We are back with Chuck Kiehl's.
I'm super excited.
As you can tell, he is superawesome, inspiring and amazing
and a true thriver.
So, with everything that he'sbeen through, there's so much
more that if you want to knowmore about GoFollow him on
social media.
We'll give you all of his linksand whatnot in the show notes.
But he has also come outthriving and really truly is
(30:20):
giving back to the cancercommunity in so many different
ways.
So, chuck, let us know how wecame up with get up and live.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Wow.
Well, there's a part of thestory that we really haven't
gotten into yet.
After my survival, it wasgetting better and I was
starting to tell other peoplehow they can get better.
What happened was I startedvolunteering for a lot of cancer
foundations all different kindsof stuff and probably one of
(30:51):
the bigger ones was that was thekeynote speaker for American
Cancer Society here in Arizonain 2020.
And it was, like you know, justhelping everybody else's
foundations.
And what happened was I meetthis beautiful young lady and
she's got stage four triplenegative breast cancer, and so
(31:14):
we actually started hanging outhaving coffee, talking about
life, cancer, faith, beingsingle parents and all this
stuff.
And what we realized was I waslike man, she's very attractive,
and so I say, you know, I wascurious.
I said do you want to go out ona date besides talking about
cancer and having coffee?
(31:35):
And so we started dating, fellin love and got married, and so
that was an interesting journey,because now you've got two
stage four cancer people runningaround together, you know.
And so when we got back fromthe honeymoon, she's seen all
the calls I was taken and shesaid I think we need to start a
foundation.
So she was the brains behind ofLiving Hope Cancer Foundation
(31:59):
is what we launched in Februaryof 2020.
The Living Hope CancerFoundation really nothing
changed.
We launched, we launched a501c3 nonprofit and to love on
cancer people, but nothingchanged.
And what I mean by that is wewere.
We were already doing it.
We were already loving oncancer people.
We were coaching people throughthe hardest things in their
(32:21):
life.
We were there with them.
We were hugging, crying,laughing.
We were, we were new bestfriends in their life.
And so just because it waslabeled now Living Hope Cancer
Foundation and nonprofit,nothing really changed.
We can continue.
Continue doing what we werealready doing.
And so what happened in thenext three and a half years was
(32:42):
we started the foundation.
I had already authored my firstbook about my miraculous healing
and it's kind of funny becausethe end of the book says I don't
know what's next.
But I do, but I do hear alittle bit of a rumble like
God's got a plan but I don'tknow what it is.
And then and then I helpedHannah.
Hannah actually had a lot ofnotes and stuff.
(33:03):
So we put together andpublished a book.
Her book called Faith like skinand it was just about her tough
things in life, including yourcancer journey, and how our
faith got her through that.
So it was called faith likeskin.
And we are writing a third booktogether called get up and live
, and it's it's I I'm notkidding you.
I was coming back from speakingin Florida and I was going
(33:26):
through the airport and God said, read your own book.
And I go what.
And I was like digging throughmy backpack and I found one.
I was like I got one.
So on the way back I read, Iread my own book and I was
laughing and I was crying and Iwas like, wow, and the reason
why?
It's?
Because you know it's, it's allabout what we were going
(33:47):
through, what we were dealingwith the cancer, the surgeries,
the treatments, the spread.
This is gone.
Now it's shown up somewhereelse and now we're trying a new
treatment because it's triplenegative and it's not hormone
controlled and you know.
So we dealt with all of thisand we talked about it through
our book and we talked about ourfaith and how, you know, being
(34:08):
together as a couple and beingmarried, how these things got us
through some of the hardestthings in life, and so I really
enjoy reading my own book.
The lady next to me was justfinishing a book and I go have
you picked your next book yet?
And she goes no, I said, hereyou go, and I signed it and gave
her a copy of mine.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Nice.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
And I said this is mine and she goes no way.
You're an author and I go.
That's the crazy.
That's the funniest thing inthe world also is being a
published author.
I never dreamed of it in amillion years, but that's kind
of.
You know.
A lot, of, a lot of changes andamazing things happened when my
faith became part of my walk.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So so plan for cancer .
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, that's right, that's exactly right.
So so we were.
I was coaching somebody sittingat my desk one day both of our
desks were side by side here inthe office and he said I was
diagnosed four months ago andsince the diagnosis not that I
can't get out of bed physically,I'm having trouble getting out
of bed mentally.
And I haven't gotten out of mybed in four months since my
(35:11):
diagnosis oh, geez, and Hannah'ssitting in the same room and
she goes.
You need to tell him he needsto get up and live.
And I was like you need to getup and live.
You got to get out of bed, yougot to take a shower and feel
human again.
Yeah, you've got to, you know,you've got to.
You know you, you know, dothings, you know be, you know
get up and live.
And and so get up and livebecame way bigger than I ever
(35:36):
imagined At first.
It was just get up and live,telling the cancer patient that
was you get up and live mentally, get up and live physically.
And can we get up and livespiritually?
So get up and live.
And then me and Hannah evenwent out and got to get up and
live.
On us, get up and liveeverything we have, and we even
patented get up and live phrase.
So we we own it now.
(35:57):
We actually own the phrase.
And so and so, in this amazingtrip of speaking events,
authoring books, me pinchingmyself like who, dude, who are
you?
And so what was was the journeywith Hannah's cancer, you know,
like I said, a couple of reallyreally traumatizing surgeries
and a lot of changing of thetreatment, a lot of broken bones
(36:19):
and 30 days in bed through theholidays.
And I was like, oh my gosh, youknow, all of our holiday plans
are out the window because she'sgoing to be stuck in bed for
the next month or two months.
And every single friend we hadcame over and we had chairs in
her room and a table and theybrought food and they brought
cookies and cake and we had themost amazing holiday.
(36:40):
Even though Hannah wasbedridden, written for 30 days,
we didn't skip a beat.
It was absolutely beautiful andamazing.
And throughout this journey,like I said me, ride the bike
across the country she drove anRV, you know, behind me.
It was such a team, it was socool and such a beautiful
relationship and the love was soamazing.
(37:00):
But in what happened was theyfound three little nodes on her
brain and they said you know,we're thinking the best thing is
just to get rid of them andjust do brain radiation get rid
of them.
And you know, we're stilllearning a lot about cancer and
treatments and alternativechoices and things like that,
and so at the time we just shookour head Okay, that's what
we're supposed to do.
(37:20):
Well, what happened was she gotthe brain radiation.
That took two weeks, five days,weekend off, five days and
everything started changing.
And the next four months I'mgoing to get emotional.
The next four months I watchedher body shut down, her organs
started turning off, her bodycouldn't take the radiation, it
(37:41):
couldn't take the treatment andit'll be.
It'll be a year in November 29.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, one year, so 11 months ago, I lost Hannah and
it was, without a doubt,probably the hardest thing that
I've ever had to deal with in mylife.
And what happened?
Through my?
Okay, get back on the horse.
I went to Florida and did.
I did 17 speaking events inlike 21 days.
I mean, I was fried, but I waslike I'm jumping back on the
(38:10):
horse.
I started doing these things andevery time I did them and came
back to Phoenix I felt likeweight was lifted off my back.
It was part of my morningprocess, it was part of my
dealing with you.
You lost her, but she wants youto get up and live also and
just like, if I lost, if she, if, if I died, I would want Hannah
(38:30):
to have the most amazing life,to go on, to be successful, to
be happy, to meet somebody new,whatever, whatever that, that,
that that encased.
I would want that for her andI'm sure she wants that for me.
And so living hope cancerfoundation is is is on fire.
It's growing throughout thecountry and a little bit around
the world.
Get up and liveorg.
(38:50):
We captured that because it wasjust so easy to remember Get up
and live every year.
There's people that caught getup and live foundation, which
it's not, but I don't mind itbecause it's kind of go with it.
It works.
It works and so get up andliveorg is.
We started putting videos onthere and there's 60 free videos
.
There's 40 about any kind ofcancer, there's another I think
(39:12):
16 or 20, about breast cancerand what it looks like to deal
with going through a mastectomyand all these things.
And Hannah came from.
She's a nurse OR nurse, and shewent through all of this and we
made these little three, four,five minute videos.
And there's the ones about anykind of cancer are called the
cancer roadmap and then rightunder that on our website it
(39:34):
says in case of breast cancer,and you go on there and you
watch these videos and peopleare actually sending us emails
and text messages and messengermessages saying thank you so
much.
It's exactly what I'm needingand my doctor's not saying this,
and so we're putting out there,because we're cancer people,
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what to do to get through thisand to do this and to smile and
to get up and live.
And if you are having sideeffects from your treatment,
step back, know your body.
And we started advocating forthat, which we just didn't know
in the past and we may havetaken a different route If we
(40:14):
knew what you know.
Hannah's body hated radiation.
She had one other time on a, ona no, been her lung and
couldn't swallow, so bad thatthey had a punch a hole in her
tummy and put a feeding tube in.
So we've been through all ofthis stuff and now I've have
people who in here here's thedeal.
I'm not.
I'm not a doctor, I don't havea medical background.
(40:35):
All I can do is talk about whatI've dealt with myself and what
I've seen around me.
And I have people who said youknow, we're really against the
radiation or the chemo and we'rethinking about just going
through these other routes andthey are cancer free now.
So it's happening out there.
But I also know that the powerof the mind, our face, all these
(40:58):
things are the package.
You've got to put it alltogether and that's that's.
That's what's getting peoplethrough this, through this
monster that we call cancer.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, I mean it truly is.
I actually have a couplegirlfriends right now that are
going through that same you knowmental struggle of I don't want
to do radiation.
I do not want to do radiationat all, period, not interested
in it, whatever.
I refused it and they're likedon't, like there's more Harm
that than good that comes from,with the side effects on the
organs and things like that.
So, but like you said, you knowit's hard like yes, no, we're
(41:29):
not physicians.
We can only share our ownjourney, our own experiences and
things like that.
We do our research and we alsohave to remember that, you know,
doctors go to school.
For there's a problem, here's asolution with medicine, boom,
here we go next.
And I oh and, by the way, ps, Ialso get kickbacks on that.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
So now and and you know the thing about it is is is
is they?
They say this is the, the, thetest that you have, this is a
scan you had and this is whatyou have and this is what we
need To do to go in there andtry to kill that and that stuff
not only kills cancer cells butkills healthy cells.
And but what the thing that I'vereally gotten into in the last
(42:04):
couple years is is what causedthat.
How did that start?
Right, do you know?
What?
Is it your diet?
Is it your cleaning products inyour house?
Is it a toxic relationship?
Is it a boss that you justcan't stand and you want to tell
him to take a hike and quitthat job?
But you got to pay your bills,so you stay there, right?
All of these toxic thingsaround us cause all kinds of
(42:26):
problems in the human body, andwhen the problem start, if the
immune system starts droppingdown and you're not fueling it,
you're not juicing, you're nottaking vitamins, you're not
doing all these amazing thingsfor your immune system and it
starts dropping down, there'salways cancer cells present in
our body.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
They're ready.
They're like hey, I'm ready,I'm up, yep.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yep.
And as soon as your immunesystem is not there to kick butt
, they start taking over andnext thing, you know, it's like
oh, what's going on here?
I don't feel good and thedoctor comes back with a cancer
diagnosis.
But you know, the thing is,what we're doing is we're
fighting, and this is kind offunny You'll laugh about this
just because my energy and mybig mouth and everything I start
talking about you know the allof the alternative treatments
(43:08):
and some of them I've used.
You know.
I mean I consider startrattling off alternative things
that people are using, and someof my favorites are sour-sob tea
, apricot seeds, miso-toetherapy, using castor oil
patches on tumor areas andDissolving the tumors.
That I can go in all this stuffand every time I get wild about
(43:30):
it, god reels me back in.
You're my positive mindset guy,yeah put you in this realm and
this is your passion, this isyour purpose of positive mindset
and teaching somebody to get upand live, and so what I'm doing
now is I'm going to startputting all of the resources on
my website and so that not onlycan they go on there and hear me
talk about the get up and live,and Did you make it to your
(43:53):
mailbox and back today, did youlay on your living room floor
and do maybe a sound healingclass or or a typed in on
YouTube, a stretching class forbeginners?
Are you doing that kind ofstuff?
And then I'll put all of thethe dietitians, the Alternatives
, the doctors that I'm dealingwith now around the world, that
(44:13):
get into all the alternativetherapies I'll put them on there
and make them available.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
that way, I don't I'm not the guy talking about him-
yeah, even though I absolutelylove him, I have a cancer
nutritionist I need to connectyou with.
She's actually down here inFort Lauderdale.
I'll connect you with her.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
I have a huge group in Port St Lucie that I deal
with on a regular basis too.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Nice yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Absolutely Everyone can go to Find you at get up and
live get up and liveorg is thewebsite.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
It's all free.
We work our tails off to raisemoney and all different raised
right now and we're still a baby, you know.
I mean I mean if I have enoughmoney in my account to have the
lights on and to sit here at mycomputer and coach Six people
today.
You know that's that's whatit's all about.
Maybe someday it'll be a littlebigger, a little more of a
household word.
You know that'll all happen inthe right timing.
(45:01):
But get up and liveorg takesyou to living hope cancer
foundation.
If you want to see somethingreally funny, go on YouTube and
type in Chuck Kiehl's.
We did it one day just for thefun of it and it's all of our
videos and oh nice.
My wedding video, my weddingvideo with Hannah is on there,
and I did a.
(45:22):
I had a movie crew come out toScottsdale and film me and put
me on the 700 Club, which is aworldwide TV program, and that's
all on there.
So it's kind of fun If you justgo on YouTube and yeah, meals
and watch it's, it's a lot of,it's a lot of you know amazing
stuff.
But you know, the thing is whatwhat this all comes back to is.
(45:42):
You know, we've dealt with somevery tough Journeys in our life.
What do we, what choices are wegoing to make when that happens
?
And and we want, if you're justbeat, beat up from the
treatment, from the, from thediagnosis, from the mental
things, you may need a Chuck,you may, you know, you may need
a Shannon, you may need anotherperson just to hug you and just
(46:05):
to walk you through this, to getyou out of that mess, so that
then you start acquiring yourown strength and you can start
doing these things on your own.
And I really feel like that'sthat's, that's my, that's my
purpose.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Absolutely 100%.
So now people can makedonations on your website,
correct?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, they can go on the website.
There's a couple differentplaces they can donate.
We love the ones that say Iwant to donate 20 bucks a month,
50 bucks a month Becausebecause then it's not the crazy
ups and downs of.
We got some donations thismonth we got very few donations,
so we're starting to see moreand more of those and we can
start planning things.
We have a lot of programs.
I mean, we, we made a jacks, wemade a little dog.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
I have it on my desk.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, you got a jacks dog and we made these little
jacks stuff dogs and it saysjacks for hope and on the tag up
by the tail says free cancercoaching, get up and liveorg.
And we've sent out over 400 ofthem so far.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
I got one of them.
I got one of them.
It's on my desk.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yep, that's right and so, and then, what I love about
it is it makes people smile.
It makes people smile.
I get, I get this, I get theselfie with the jacks dog of
them and the cancer Thriver andthe jacks dog and they're
smiling and I know that that isbeautiful, that is so cool, you
know.
So we have all these programsand all these things in mind,
but you know, you can't, youcan't, they, they're not free.
(47:22):
It's just like if you own yourown business of nonprofit, as a
business, it costs murky to havethe lights on and to do what
you do, and so, yeah, you can goon there and donate if you know
of a business that is lookingfor a very, very good cause.
You know, I like my corporate,corporate sponsors.
They help us do the biggerprojects and you know we're, no
(47:42):
matter what happens, we're gonnakeep doing what we do and we're
gonna keep loving on cancerpeople Because of of.
We know what it's like to gothrough this journey.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
We know what it's like to deal with this and and
and I always pray that Nobodyeven if someone's diagnosed and
they're not married or they're,you know whatever situation is
we, I always pray that no onegoes through their cancer
journey alone.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Absolutely that's.
That's like the scariest thing.
Yeah, so all donations gotowards cancer coaching courses
100%.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Okay, 100%.
100% goes towards thefoundation and the cancer
coaching.
Like I said, if we've got to dosomething that costs money,
that comes out of the same thesame category as the of the
donations.
But I would say probably 90%goes towards the cancer coaching
.
And in the cancer coaching wewant a cancer patient, their
caregiver, their family, thepeople around them, to get
(48:34):
involved with the coaching.
So I may be on the speakerphoneor on a zoom call with a whole
group, because I want the wholegroup to be on the same team.
We're gonna fight this together.
It's not just one person goingthrough this, and so the cancer
coaching is absolutely huge andI love my one-on-one coaching.
The website is because it didget overwhelming and my board of
(48:55):
directors said start puttingvideos on there.
They can go and watch thelibrary and that's.
That's helped out a lot.
But I love, love, love myone-on-one coaching.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, and it's always , you know, in any business,
right?
You always want to be able togive value first.
Give value first beforeanyone's gonna give money, right
?
Like in any any coaching, inthe coaching that I've done,
whether it's with breast cancerrecovery, whether it's real
estate coaching, businesscoaching, entrepreneurship,
whatever you always have to givevalue first.
Give value, give value, drop,drop, drop, drop, drop.
And then you're like okay, nowif you want the full gamut of
(49:23):
things, it's gonna cost moneyand that's just life right.
Yeah, yeah, but you know thoselittle resources can at least
help somebody one day at a time.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yep, you know.
So we've been through thesecrazy journeys.
How many people can we helpthat need you know?
Just to hug in a little bit ofguidance of I didn't know I
could do that.
Or I had a lady tell me shedidn't know she could get out of
bed and go for a walk, what Idon't know if my doctor's going
to.
Okay that I said what.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
They better.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
You better get out of bed and go for a walk, you know
.
Yeah, go on a vacation and swimwith dolphins, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
And, but that's the thing, I've had a lot because
I'm stage four.
I've had a lot of people afterspeaking events and they're
lined up and I'm signing booksand hugging people and taking
pictures and there's always acouple of them that cut, that
wait till the very end and theycome up and they go.
Hey, guess what?
I was diagnosed with stage fourcancer and I was told I had a
year to live, 15 years ago, nice, and I love that story and that
(50:24):
gives me hope, right, and Itell their stories to give other
people's hope that we don'tknow if it's going to be another
.
You know, five months, fiveyears, 15 years, 25 years.
We don't know that.
But how beautiful and specialis right now, this moment, today
.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
You know, so don't waste it, don't waste it.
Get up and live.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Get up and live.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Get up and live All right.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
If you want to learn more about Chuck, I will put all
of his social media handlesinto the show notes and make
sure you get over togetupandlivedorg so you can
check out Living Hope CancerFoundation, learn more about
what he's doing to give back tothe community, the cancer
community and you know what.
It's the holidays.
So why don't you find it inyour heart to just drop I don't
know five, 10, 15, $20.
(51:09):
Let's go five.
Let's go five.
It's okay.
Just drop $5 in so you can helpanother cancer survivor
navigate their journey as well,right?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I appreciate you so much and I am so glad that we
finally got the opportunity tofinally chat face to face, not
just on social media or textmessage, and we finally were
able to share your journey,because it's magical and, just
for the record, folks, it is somuch more than what we just
covered in, and I know we wentover what we normally do in most
of my podcast episodes, but itwas so worth it.
(51:41):
Right, you know it was Allright.
Make sure you save this episodetoo, so you can save it, share
it with other people that youthink would help and benefit
from it as well.
Thank you for joining us onBusted Out of Breast Cancer.
We hope you found our podcastinformative, uplifting and
inspiring.
We want to remind you that youare not alone in the fight
against breast cancer.
If you are someone you knowneeds support, please reach out
to a healthcare professional,breast cancer support
(52:02):
organization or me.
I'm always happy to listen,chat and help any way.
I can Remember early detectionis key, so please schedule your
regular cancer screenings.
Also, if you're in the marketfor a new home, looking to sell
or start investing, don'thesitate to contact me, your
favorite fun realtor and podcasthost.
Together, we can make your realestate dreams a reality and
make a difference in the fightagainst breast cancer.
If you or someone you knowwould like to be a guest, please
(52:24):
reach out to us at smile atShannonBroscom.
Thank you again for listeningand we'll see you next week on
Busted Out of Breast Cancer.
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