July 29, 2025 • 9 mins
We just finished Fourth Wing...so THIS is what's next. We also have a request for our dear listeners!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to, but Are there Dragons?
A podcast where two friendspick a book at least one of them
hasn't read and chat about it.
I'm your host, critter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And I'm your host, jess.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And today we are going to be announcing our next
book, and I know some of you area bit invested in this because
we asked for some advice and sowe don't want to make you wait
any longer.
We're super excited to announceit.
So, jess, you want to do thehonors?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Sure.
After all of your input, whichwe greatly appreciated, we have
decided that our next book isIron Flame.
Iron Flame Book two by RebeccaYaros.
We are continuing on in thefourth wing realm.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We are indeed, we are indeed.
We had a lot of people say well, you know, we intended to agree
with our general assessment ofthe first book, but I want to
see what you think about thesecond one, and that was, I'd
say, the average response.
The majority of the responsewas let's see about that second
one, which I am excited aboutbecause I was going to read it
anyways, and now we just get totalk about it on the podcast,
(01:08):
which will be really fun?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, absolutely it was.
It was nice to hear back fromfolks.
We're still working on otherideas of other projects that we
want to pursue, because that'show we do.
You know, we're fantasy girliesat heart but, like she said, we
both had already decided wewere going to read it anyways.
Why not read it for the pod andget to discuss it with all of
you?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're just such fast reads.
So we did determine, apparently, that iron flame is a little
longer than fourth way.
But they're such fast reads andwe're taking them a month at a
time, so soon enough we'll beonto another series If you're
not particularly interested inthis one, and, as Jessica said,
we've got some ideas about ournext targets already.
(01:51):
So just based onrecommendations that we've
gotten from people, based onsome upcoming Films I don't do
little hints, just a little tinyhint, you know.
So, so it should be good.
I am excited to continue onwith the Empyrean.
Is that the term the Empyrean.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's how I've been saying it in my head.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think so.
Yeah, so it should be good.
We did get a little bit offeedback as far as formatting
goes, or, like you know how werun this because neither of us
have read Fourth Wing.
A reminder we are fresh, we arebrand new in this series, um,
and so one comment that we gotwas consider taking questions
(02:33):
from the audience essentially,and we love that idea.
Yes, 100 yeah, and so the ideawould be, if you want to kind of
like try to guide or discussion, or if you have a particular
question for us for the segmentthat we're working on not for
the book as a whole, necessarily, unless it's for our second
recording, but it's for ourfirst recording then submit that
(02:55):
to us via DM, either on discordor, you know, on Twitter or
Instagram, literally whereveryou happen to follow us on
social media or on the discordvia DM, so other people can't
like see.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes we're going to hold those cards close.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And then if we'd like the question, or if the
question makes sense for ourformat or whatever, probably
we'll probably use yourquestions, but we'll address
those whenever we do ourrecording.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think the next good piece of information is we'll
go ahead and we'll share withyou how we're breaking this book
up.
So we have decided we're goingto continue on like we did with
Fourth Wing, so we're going todo the book over a month, which
Critter just alluded to.
That means we split the book inhalf again and we're going to
(03:43):
cover chapters one through 35,which is roughly half, based on
my super technical Kindlebreakdown and we are planning on
reading that for the first halfof August and the hope is that
you see that episode drop forAugust 12th wherever you get
podcasts or on our YouTubechannel, and then we will remain
(04:06):
.
We will read the remainder ofthe book for the last half of
August and you would see thatepisode drop for nine to Labor
Day weekend.
Labor Day Tuesday, september2nd.
So if you are somebody whowants to give us those questions
, we love it, bring it, we'reinto it.
Um, but that's generally howthe book is going to be broken
(04:29):
out for us.
So if it's something that youcan point, like you know where
in the book it is, if you'resomebody who's super together
and knows which chapter to go,mark that effects, you can pose
that in your question.
Right, like such and suchhappens in chapter 32.
What do you think about this?
And that will help us make surethat if we pick that question
(04:51):
to discuss or that topic todiscuss, that it makes it into
the right episode.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And I would say just for the sake of us not getting
spoiled, because if you sendthese DMs to us while we're
actively reading, maybe at thevery beginning of your comment,
be like this is something foryour podcast discussion, kind of
like a spoiler warning, so thatwe don't read it until after we
have finished reading the book.
Because some of you guys mightDM us for something you know
like we might be like oh my gosh, look, they DMed us and then
(05:17):
not realize that it's for thepodcast.
So just maybe try to warn usabout spoilers before podcast.
So just maybe try to warn usabout spoilers before and, yeah,
make sure that they don'texceed the what we're reading,
which will be through chapter 35for this first one.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Excellent, call out Critter Yep.
So for anybody who's new to usor still newish to us, we're
doing this the same way we'vedone before, which is that we're
going into the book cold,haven't even read the back cover
.
All we know about the fourthwing series is what we got from
reading the first book.
So, yes, please be kind to usas your podcast hosts and don't
(05:52):
spoil us unintentionally.
We really appreciate you.
That would be so sad.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And if you did spoil us, I don't know what I would do
, but there would be grudgesinvolved.
Okay, extreme grudges, althoughhonestly, I'm like.
But there would be grudgesinvolved.
Okay, extreme grudges, althoughhonestly, I'm like my brain is
so fried because I've been sobusy.
We did WatCon, which was superfun.
You know it's summertime, sothings are pulling me in 80,000
different directions, as theyare you.
Today, when I was getting readyfor this recording, I thought
(06:17):
to myself how did fourth wingend?
Like what's next?
And then then I remembered.
I did not take me long toremember.
I did very much remember, um,and now I'm like, oh my gosh, I
want to keep going, but Ihaven't.
I haven't yet because I've beenwaiting.
I wanted to be fresh for therecording yep, no same here.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
July has been jam-packed yeah, in june.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes, july and june, both, both.
It's been cray, crazy, but fun.
I love the summer I yes youknow, it's so much, so much
action get it all in.
We're not even in schoolanymore, which is funny, but
it's still like you know yeah,that nostalgia never left me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know like, yeah, absolutely the emphasis to do as
much as possible because it'ssummer break.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It never goes away.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
No, no, summer's awesome.
Not my favorite season, though.
What would you say yourfavorite season is?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Honestly, I am a bit of a fall girly.
I do like sun.
My husband, mr Jessica, doeslike to give me a hard time that
I would curl up on a rock andsun myself, much like a dragon
might.
However, fall is really myfavorite because it's usually
less intense heat and you can domore.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
We are again meant to be together, because fall is
indeed my favorite season,although I will say that
December is my favorite month,so explain that.
But no, fall is the best,because I mean it's football
season, it's Oktoberfest season,it's Ren Faire season where I'm
from, it's leaves, it'spumpkins, it's Halloween.
It's just kind of unmatched.
(07:52):
I don't know If you're watchingor listening.
Let us know in the commentswhat your favorite season is,
because it's you know it's worthknowing.
Summer is just too hot to be myfavorite, even though I have a
good time, obviously, yeah, yeah, okay, I think that's all of
(08:13):
our announcements right, we gavethem what, when and where
uh-huh, uh-huh, and we gave thema task.
If you have read, or if youread are reading at the same
time we're reading.
Feel free to submit questionsfor us, topics of discussion,
whatever you want, so that wecan address your concerns or
theories or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, we love to hear from you guys, so don't
hesitate.
But if it's a question that youwant us to do on the pod,
please do it by DM.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yes, please, please, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think we're good.
I think we're good.
Okay, thank you everybody fortuning into this fourth episode
of season five of but are theredragons brought to you by your
host, jessica, and I and critterXT?
Please don't forget to followus at but other dragons we're on
YouTube, instagram and Tik TOK,and but dragons pod, just one T
(09:00):
on X.
You can also find your hosts onsocial media as critter xd and
shelf indulgence.
That's it for today.
We'll see you on august 12thwith our first iron flame
episode.
Bye.
Welcome to, but Are there Dragons?
A podcast where two friendspick a book at least one of them
hasn't read and chat about it.
I'm your host, critter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And I'm your host, jess.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And today we are going to be announcing our next
book, and I know some of you area bit invested in this because
we asked for some advice and sowe don't want to make you wait
any longer.
We're super excited to announceit.
So, jess, you want to do thehonors?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Sure.
After all of your input, whichwe greatly appreciated, we have
decided that our next book isIron Flame.
Iron Flame Book two by RebeccaYaros.
We are continuing on in thefourth wing realm.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We are indeed, we are indeed.
We had a lot of people say well, you know, we intended to agree
with our general assessment ofthe first book, but I want to
see what you think about thesecond one, and that was, I'd
say, the average response.
The majority of the responsewas let's see about that second
one, which I am excited aboutbecause I was going to read it
anyways, and now we just get totalk about it on the podcast,
(01:08):
which will be really fun?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, absolutely it was.
It was nice to hear back fromfolks.
We're still working on otherideas of other projects that we
want to pursue, because that'show we do.
You know, we're fantasy girliesat heart but, like she said, we
both had already decided wewere going to read it anyways.
Why not read it for the pod andget to discuss it with all of
you?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they're just such fast reads.
So we did determine, apparently, that iron flame is a little
longer than fourth way.
But they're such fast reads andwe're taking them a month at a
time, so soon enough we'll beonto another series If you're
not particularly interested inthis one, and, as Jessica said,
we've got some ideas about ournext targets already.
(01:51):
So just based onrecommendations that we've
gotten from people, based onsome upcoming Films I don't do
little hints, just a little tinyhint, you know.
So, so it should be good.
I am excited to continue onwith the Empyrean.
Is that the term the Empyrean.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That's how I've been saying it in my head.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think so.
Yeah, so it should be good.
We did get a little bit offeedback as far as formatting
goes, or, like you know how werun this because neither of us
have read Fourth Wing.
A reminder we are fresh, we arebrand new in this series, um,
and so one comment that we gotwas consider taking questions
(02:33):
from the audience essentially,and we love that idea.
Yes, 100 yeah, and so the ideawould be, if you want to kind of
like try to guide or discussion, or if you have a particular
question for us for the segmentthat we're working on not for
the book as a whole, necessarily, unless it's for our second
recording, but it's for ourfirst recording then submit that
(02:55):
to us via DM, either on discordor, you know, on Twitter or
Instagram, literally whereveryou happen to follow us on
social media or on the discordvia DM, so other people can't
like see.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yes we're going to hold those cards close.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And then if we'd like the question, or if the
question makes sense for ourformat or whatever, probably
we'll probably use yourquestions, but we'll address
those whenever we do ourrecording.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I think the next good piece of information is we'll
go ahead and we'll share withyou how we're breaking this book
up.
So we have decided we're goingto continue on like we did with
Fourth Wing, so we're going todo the book over a month, which
Critter just alluded to.
That means we split the book inhalf again and we're going to
(03:43):
cover chapters one through 35,which is roughly half, based on
my super technical Kindlebreakdown and we are planning on
reading that for the first halfof August and the hope is that
you see that episode drop forAugust 12th wherever you get
podcasts or on our YouTubechannel, and then we will remain
(04:06):
.
We will read the remainder ofthe book for the last half of
August and you would see thatepisode drop for nine to Labor
Day weekend.
Labor Day Tuesday, september2nd.
So if you are somebody whowants to give us those questions
, we love it, bring it, we'reinto it.
Um, but that's generally howthe book is going to be broken
(04:29):
out for us.
So if it's something that youcan point, like you know where
in the book it is, if you'resomebody who's super together
and knows which chapter to go,mark that effects, you can pose
that in your question.
Right, like such and suchhappens in chapter 32.
What do you think about this?
And that will help us make surethat if we pick that question
(04:51):
to discuss or that topic todiscuss, that it makes it into
the right episode.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And I would say just for the sake of us not getting
spoiled, because if you sendthese DMs to us while we're
actively reading, maybe at thevery beginning of your comment,
be like this is something foryour podcast discussion, kind of
like a spoiler warning, so thatwe don't read it until after we
have finished reading the book.
Because some of you guys mightDM us for something you know
like we might be like oh my gosh, look, they DMed us and then
(05:17):
not realize that it's for thepodcast.
So just maybe try to warn usabout spoilers before podcast.
So just maybe try to warn usabout spoilers before and, yeah,
make sure that they don'texceed the what we're reading,
which will be through chapter 35for this first one.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Excellent, call out Critter Yep.
So for anybody who's new to usor still newish to us, we're
doing this the same way we'vedone before, which is that we're
going into the book cold,haven't even read the back cover
.
All we know about the fourthwing series is what we got from
reading the first book.
So, yes, please be kind to usas your podcast hosts and don't
(05:52):
spoil us unintentionally.
We really appreciate you.
That would be so sad.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And if you did spoil us, I don't know what I would do
, but there would be grudgesinvolved.
Okay, extreme grudges, althoughhonestly, I'm like.
But there would be grudgesinvolved.
Okay, extreme grudges, althoughhonestly, I'm like my brain is
so fried because I've been sobusy.
We did WatCon, which was superfun.
You know it's summertime, sothings are pulling me in 80,000
different directions, as theyare you.
Today, when I was getting readyfor this recording, I thought
(06:17):
to myself how did fourth wingend?
Like what's next?
And then then I remembered.
I did not take me long toremember.
I did very much remember, um,and now I'm like, oh my gosh, I
want to keep going, but Ihaven't.
I haven't yet because I've beenwaiting.
I wanted to be fresh for therecording yep, no same here.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
July has been jam-packed yeah, in june.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yes, july and june, both, both.
It's been cray, crazy, but fun.
I love the summer I yes youknow, it's so much, so much
action get it all in.
We're not even in schoolanymore, which is funny, but
it's still like you know yeah,that nostalgia never left me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know like, yeah, absolutely the emphasis to do as
much as possible because it'ssummer break.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It never goes away.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
No, no, summer's awesome.
Not my favorite season, though.
What would you say yourfavorite season is?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Honestly, I am a bit of a fall girly.
I do like sun.
My husband, mr Jessica, doeslike to give me a hard time that
I would curl up on a rock andsun myself, much like a dragon
might.
However, fall is really myfavorite because it's usually
less intense heat and you can domore.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
We are again meant to be together, because fall is
indeed my favorite season,although I will say that
December is my favorite month,so explain that.
But no, fall is the best,because I mean it's football
season, it's Oktoberfest season,it's Ren Faire season where I'm
from, it's leaves, it'spumpkins, it's Halloween.
It's just kind of unmatched.
(07:52):
I don't know If you're watchingor listening.
Let us know in the commentswhat your favorite season is,
because it's you know it's worthknowing.
Summer is just too hot to be myfavorite, even though I have a
good time, obviously, yeah, yeah, okay, I think that's all of
(08:13):
our announcements right, we gavethem what, when and where
uh-huh, uh-huh, and we gave thema task.
If you have read, or if youread are reading at the same
time we're reading.
Feel free to submit questionsfor us, topics of discussion,
whatever you want, so that wecan address your concerns or
theories or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, we love to hear from you guys, so don't
hesitate.
But if it's a question that youwant us to do on the pod,
please do it by DM.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yes, please, please, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think we're good.
I think we're good.
Okay, thank you everybody fortuning into this fourth episode
of season five of but are theredragons brought to you by your
host, jessica, and I and critterXT?
Please don't forget to followus at but other dragons we're on
YouTube, instagram and Tik TOK,and but dragons pod, just one T
(09:00):
on X.
You can also find your hosts onsocial media as critter xd and
shelf indulgence.
That's it for today.
We'll see you on august 12thwith our first iron flame
episode.
Bye.
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