February 26, 2025 • 27 mins
In a world that continues to evolve at breakneck speed, staying ahead in cloud networking and technology is imperative. This episode jumps into a whirlwind of recent developments that could reshape the landscape of IT. We begin with CompTIA's unveiling of the new CloudNetX certification, designed specifically for IT professionals focusing on cloud architecture and security, positioning itself as pivotal in validating advanced networking skills.
We also explore the launch of Aviatrix’s Certified Engineer Program, which emphasizes the importance of hybrid cloud connectivity. This program provides valuable insights into connecting on-premise systems with cloud solutions, highlighting the increasing demand for seamless integration across platforms. Staying relevant in this era involves continuously updating our knowledge and capabilities; these certifications are significant steps toward that goal.
As we examine the multi-cloud networking market, Cloudflare’s Magic Cloud Networking is aimed at providing orchestration services—an essential need as companies increasingly rely on different cloud service providers. However, with changing dynamics comes the question of visibility and control over networks, a key concern that professionals must address.
In a fascinating twist, Microsoft has introduced a new quantum chip, Majorana, that promises to revolutionize how we think about computing. This opens a discussion on encryption security and the implications for current technologies as quantum computing advances.
Finally, we confront a concerning report detailing an 82% increase in DDoS attacks, a stark reminder of the evolving security landscape aided by emerging technologies like AI. As we delve into these important topics, the call to action for IT professionals remains clear: be proactive, stay informed, and prepare for a future where technology will continually challenge our assumptions. Subscribe, share, and join us in these discussions as we navigate the exciting, yet complex, world of cloud networking.
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Chris Miles (00:14):
Hello and welcome back to another episode of the
Cables to Clouds fortnightlynews podcast, where we go over
some of the recent news articlesthat we've seen over the last
two weeks.
Give our opinions our hot takesover.
You know good substancematerial for you, the listener,
and we also provide you somelinks to have a look at them as
well.
So my name is Chris Miles.
(00:35):
I'll be your host for this weekat BGP Main on Blue Sky.
Joining me, as always is I'mrunning out of adjectives to
describe Tim, but he's just abeautiful, lovely person.
Tim McConnaughy (00:46):
Yeah, there's a lot, did you get?
Chris Miles (00:49):
your thesaurus?
Yeah, exactly, tim McConaugheyat Carpe-DMVPN on Blue Sky as
well.
So with that let's hop rightinto the news this week.
So first up, we have a coupleof articles specifically about
training and certification,which is good for us we never
really hear a lot about thistopic and specifically within
cloud networking and things likethat.
(01:10):
But so first up we have anarticle here from STX Central
which is kind of just anoverview of an announcement that
CompTIA made about a newcertification called CloudNetX,
specifically focusing on ITprofessionals within cloud
network architecture andsecurity.
So this is apparently a newaddition that is part of
(01:31):
CompTIA's EXPERT, that is expertwithout an E at the beginning,
just a capital X PERT program,which looks to be kind of a
series of expert levelcertifications that
theyifications.
Sorry that they offer.
I'll be honest, I've been out ofthe comptia game for for a
little bit and I didn't knowthey even offered this um, but
they seem to have ones over thiscloud net x, uh, vertical, as
(01:54):
well as security x as well asdata x um, so this is kind of
rounding out that portfoliothere, um.
So yeah, it's like I said.
It's specifically focusing onhybrid cloud, it looks like with
the listing here.
Says validates the advancedskills needed to design,
engineer and integrate secure,scalable networking solutions
(02:14):
and hybrid environments, and youknow, there's a wealth of stuff
covered on here.
Apparently they even get intothe details on things like
container networking and ai forautomation and things like that,
which is I don't know man.
Like I did not see this comingspecifically from comptia like
if we think of it like we'vealways been kind of talking
about like I mean, as far ascertification goes, training in,
(02:37):
in, you know, infrastructuretechnologies.
Like the two most successfulthings out there are the ccna
and the+.
Like CompTIA has always been inthis game, for sure, but I feel
like the NetPlus has alwaysbeen kind of like the little
brother to the CCNA.
That's always like yeah, it'slike you know people will get it
and it's like it's definitely aworthwhile achievement.
(02:57):
I'm not you know kind ofpooping on it or anything, but
it's always been like you knowit teaches you some fundamentals
but it's not.
I would never say NetPlus hasprobably proven enough to land
like a solid job as a networkengineer right, I feel like you
had to kind of go above that,but this sounds, like you know,
like a major leap beyond whatthe NetPlus is, and even on the
(03:19):
landing page for thiscertification, they actually
have a little kind of comparecomparison matrix to how this
stacks up compared to the CCIE,the CCDE and the AWS advanced
networking specialty exam.
Um, which is funny because it'skind of pointing at, like, you
know, ours is only one exam with, you know, 165 questions and
the prerequisites are, um, let'ssee, 10 years, with five of
(03:43):
those being in networkarchitecture.
I don't know how they validatethat.
Tim McConnaughy (03:46):
I have to assume yeah, that can't be a
true prerequisite, right, that'sgot to be like a suggestion.
Chris Miles (03:53):
Right, I mean, but it does call out the CCIE and
the CCDE as having no formalprerequisites which.
I guess is true, it's notformal.
I mean, it's heavily impliedthat you should have been
working in this or else it'sgoing to be very difficult for
you.
But if there's, are theylisting that there is a formal
prerequisite, like it has to bemet in some capacity before
(04:14):
they'll even admit you into theexam?
I don't, I don't, I don't knowhow to do that.
Tim McConnaughy (04:18):
Yeah, how would you like send a resume Like I
don't even know how you would?
Chris Miles (04:28):
validate that one.
That's a weird one.
We're venturing into like CCARterritory with this one.
But yeah, like I said, this islike I'm definitely interested
in looking at this because likethe content sounds pretty good.
I don't think there's any kindof official training out for it
just yet, as we're just lookingat the announcement of the exam
itself.
Yeah that's right.
Yeah, man, I thought thissounds pretty cool.
I'd like to see it in actionand hopefully it lives up to the
(04:49):
hype.
But what about you, tim?
What do you think?
Tim McConnaughy (04:51):
Yeah, so I'm kind of with you, right, like I
didn't even know that they hadthis expert level with an X.
Maybe they're on the Elon trainor something, I'm not sure, but
we should just renameeverything X, it's the
everything certification.
Exactly, but no, no, no.
Seriously though, I mean,comptia is a good company.
(05:12):
They know what they're doing.
I mean I took my Security Plusforever ago.
I never did take my NetworkPlus.
I got it.
So when I took my degree atWestern Governors for cloud
computing, of course I had myCCIE, so they scratched off
pretty much all of thenetworking prerequisites for
that thing, including theNetwork Plus.
I did have to take the CloudPlus, which was interesting.
Comptia had a weird way ofdoing the Cloud Plus because it
(05:36):
was heavily.
It was actually like I don'tknow 65-35 or something for
public cloud versus privatecloud.
So there was actually a ton ofprivate cloud stuff on that exam
.
I'm curious, given the, Iwouldn't even call it a
blueprint, but what they'resaying is going to be in this
cloud net X one, just howheavily they're going to lean
into Kubernetes or the AI stuffon top of the other cloud stuff.
(06:00):
Are they going to talk abouteach public cloud or is it just
going to cover it as a general?
You know what I mean.
Like it's because comt hasalways been kind of the the
switzerland of uh certifications.
Right, it doesn't lean veryheavily at all in uh direction
of a particular vendor.
Um, yeah, man, not much.
Not I, I do.
I do think it's hilarious,though, that they have this.
Here's our exam, and we'recomparing it to a ccie or a CCDE
(06:23):
, which involve an eight-hourlab exam.
Chris Miles (06:27):
Right, right, yeah.
Just to your previous pointabout whether or not what CSPs
will be covered, if at all, Iwill say there is a listing on
the landing page that saysorganizations that contributed
to the development of this exam.
Aws and Google are on there, aswell as some other names like
Fidelity John Hopkins University, but Microsoft not on there.
Tim McConnaughy (06:48):
Not to say they wouldn't be involved.
Chris Miles (06:50):
But they or maybe I would imagine, if they're being
covered, they would be on therein some capacity.
So that was interesting.
Tim McConnaughy (06:58):
Yeah, I missed that.
But yeah, these areorganizations that quote unquote
contributed to the development,so does that mean they had SMEs
?
Basically that helped build theexam from these organizations.
But yeah, interesting thatMicrosoft's not on there.
Chris Miles (07:10):
So I'm wondering what that means.
I guess we'll find out when theinterview actually comes out.
Tim McConnaughy (07:15):
Cool, all right .
And then on the back of thatone, we actually have one from
our employer, aviatrix, that isjust announcing the Aviatrix
from our ACE program.
The Aviatrix is just announcingthe Aviatrix from our ACE
program, the Aviatrix CertifiedEngineer Program a new hybrid
cloud, ace, hybrid cloudcertification.
So fairly close to the sameidea, where it's going to be
focused on hybrid cloudconnectivity.
It's going to be focused onconnecting on-prem to the cloud
(07:38):
using the Aviatrix framework,also including middle mile
providers like Equinix andMegaport, so people who take
this certification will alsolearn how to do it through
spinning up Megaport and Equinixvirtual environment edges and,
of course, like I said, on-premto the cloud.
(08:00):
So it's interesting to see thatthese two just happen to come
out around the same time,because we've been saying for a
while that hybrid cloud is thefuture.
For so long We've been saying,for hybrid cloud is the future
and I think we're finallystarting to see.
You know, of course, to be fair, I mean, aviatrix has been on
the hybrid cloud train forever.
It's just been.
It's just taken us a while todevelop an actual curriculum for
that specifically.
But yeah, it's good to see morevendors leaning into hybrid
(08:23):
cloud as the future.
Chris Miles (08:26):
Totally agree.
Yeah, I think probably a bit ofthe AI shift has probably
pushed this into the foregrounda little bit more than it was
previously, which is a goodthing for us.
Right, we get to say that wewere right, although I think we
were probably.
I mean, to be honest, we wereprobably predicting something
that everyone knew it was goingto be right.
But hey, you know, we get tostand on that right.
(08:47):
But no, yeah, this is great.
Yeah, I've obviously had a handin configuring this solution
many times with our hybridsolution integrations with
Equinix and Megaport, and youknow we have close relationships
with them.
So glad to see everyone else isgoing to get access to that and
yeah really excited for this.
(09:07):
It'll be cool.
Tim McConnaughy (09:08):
Definitely one of our better certifications
that we've rolled out recently.
Chris Miles (09:13):
Agreed, agreed, All right next up, we have an
announcement from CloudFlarethat they are entering the
multi-cloud networking marketwith their new product, which is
called Magic Cloud Networking.
So, if you are familiar, Ithink we covered this back when
it announced I think it was like.
Tim McConnaughy (09:29):
What was it?
It was a year ago.
Chris Miles (09:31):
Yeah, it was about, I thought, maybe a little bit
less than a year ago.
Basically, cloudflare hadacquired a company called Nefeli
, which is or Nefeli Networks,which was a multi-cloud
networking solution MCN solutionreally focused on the
orchestration of buildingmulti-cloud networks.
So it was kind of weird becauseI had never heard of Nefeli.
(09:52):
But by the time they gotacquired, if you went to their
website it was alreadyredirecting to Cloudflare like
day one.
So it was kind of hard to kindof go back into the past and see
what it was.
But it seemed like it was anorchestration engine that
probably leveraged a lot of thepublic cloud APIs and things
like that to build networks andcorrelated building tunnels
(10:13):
between them as well.
So pretty cool interface.
I remember seeing that.
But now they've finally kind ofrebranded this as their own
product, which is the magiccloud networking.
So pretty much everything thatCloudflare has done has had the
magic moniker on it.
So it fits in with that.
It seems like they are leaningin that this is going to be a
(10:37):
direct integration with theirconnectivity cloud platform,
which is kind of a it seems likean all-inclusive type platform
that they offer that seems togive, like some of the you know
SASE type connectivity options,wan as a service, sse is also
integrated in this thing as well, so cool to see this come to
fruition.
(10:58):
One thing that I definitely hada question about when I was
looking at the Nefeli solutionback in the day and I still kind
of have that impression now isI don't know where the
visibility piece comes in.
There is a point here that theylet you know that it's for a
lot of customers that want toincrease visibility as well.
As you know, obviouslyorchestration is a valuable
(11:18):
thing, but I don't know whereyou get the insights into the
traffic going between clouds orinto clouds, et cetera, from
Cloudflare's perspective.
So I'd like to Um, yeah, Ithink it's.
You know it took them a while,but they finally got it out
there.
There's not there's not a tonon the docs page just yet, so
I'm looking to see that getpopulated out.
But, um, yeah, pretty cool.
(11:39):
What do you think, tim?
Tim McConnaughy (11:40):
Yeah, I, I want to see the actual integration
because I mean, cloudflare's gotthe whole magic uh, I don't
know, magic stick, magic mic, Idon't know, whatever the hell
you call it, their magicquadrant maybe.
I think maybe they're waitingfor that one, for Gartner, to
give it to them.
But you know, yeah, I mean,it's the same thing.
Like these, you have a singlevendor who, honestly, is pretty
(12:04):
well positioned I meanCloudflare being the pretty much
the almost the de facto CDNthese days Very well positioned
to do this kind of orchestration.
I'm with you, man.
I'd not heard of Nefeli untilthey got acquired, and by that
point it was impossible tofigure out how the hell it
worked, what it was.
It's been almost like stealthsince then.
(12:24):
So I am very curious to seewhere the rubber meets the road
on this Magic Cloud networkingthing.
What does it actually do?
And I've got the same questionIf all it does is orchestration,
you're going to get thevisibility that the CSPs give
you, which is not a great amountof visibility, right?
You're going to get metadata,or maybe they'll set up a VPC
(12:45):
traffic mirroring.
Maybe VPC traffic mirroringwill be part of it.
All that stuff is superexpensive, but maybe that's just
part of the hey, maybe it's anon-demand or turn it on and turn
it off type of of setup.
I don't know, man.
Yeah, I'm just throwing dartsat a board here.
I really want to see how thisactually works and, more
importantly, how it works aspart of their total package,
(13:06):
like all their magic.
Chris Miles (13:07):
Yeah, that's the thing is that, like I understand
how the orchestration piece andpotentially, you, that's the
thing is that, like I understandhow the orchestration piece and
potentially, you know,incorporating the existing cloud
visibility into this, would youknow, all operate well within
one single interface.
I totally get that.
But the thing is, orchestratingall of that comes at a cost,
right?
All those solutions come at acost.
The visibility comes at a veryhigh cost as well, for you know,
(13:28):
like you said, VPC flow logsand mirroring things like that.
So, like I'm, I'm, like yousaid, VPC flow logs and
mirroring things like that.
So, like I'm, I'm questioning,like where, where does that
value kind of meet its tippingpoint, Right?
Um, because it's it's.
I mean, if you're orchestrating, you know building a Fabergé
egg, you know you still have topay for it to build a Fabergé
egg, Right?
Tim McConnaughy (13:44):
So it's like like yeah, but yeah, it's super
interesting, glad we would.
Chris Miles (13:49):
We've been wondering when this was going to
come out, so I'm glad to see itfinally hitting the market.
Yeah it also took like a year,right, yeah, so I'm kind of
surprised it took that long.
To be honest with you, itseemed like with the offering
that they at least are kind ofpresenting to us now, it seems
like a pretty simple integration, right.
So I was kind of surprised ittook this long.
(14:11):
But there, you know, maybe Imean there's probably competing
priorities at Cloudflare, yeah,I imagine so.
Tim McConnaughy (14:17):
Yeah, all right , let's just launch right into
this next one because it'sfucking confusing.
So Microsoft has unveiled a newquantum chip which sounds
really awesome.
I can't even.
Which sounds really awesome, Ican't even.
Quantum computing is something Iwas not unaware of but had no
real skin in the game on.
(14:39):
And then a few years ago, whenI was a few years ago, I was at
where was I?
Duarte.
I was at Duarte's speaking.
Cisco would pay if you're goingto speak at Cisco Live.
Cisco would pay for you to goto train at Duarte, the speaking
engagement company, to learnhow to present.
And I was there with someonefrom one of the BU's and she was
(15:00):
talking about quantum computingand basically how quantum
computing was going to makeencryption worthless.
Basically it was just like withquantum computing you can break
encryption in a negligibleamount of time.
So then I was like holy crap,like why aren't we?
Why isn't the sky falling onthis stuff?
Right, like finding this stuffout?
And it turns out because wewere like really far away from
any making of that happen, butapparently we've made huge leaps
(15:21):
and bounds, or rather thanMicrosoft has recently.
And yeah, I mean, I don't even,I can't even refer to the
article very well, was it qubits, right?
Qubits are like the computingcomputing, um, uh units that uh
quantum computing uses.
I understand the, I understandthe idea like of it, but I I
(15:41):
don't know what this meansultimately yeah, it's.
Chris Miles (15:44):
I mean, I think I think we'll be the first to tell
you this is not, this is waybeyond the realm of intelligence
that Tim or I possess, toreally kind of give you a good
take on this.
But I mean, yeah, when you,when I look at quantum computing
, whenever I look it up, it'sall like kind of gets into this
element of qubits and thingslike that, which is, I mean,
basically it sounds like, youknow, in terms of bits it can be
(16:05):
zero or a one and a qubit.
At the same time, yeah, yeah itcan be both, so you can kind of
do these like very complicatedcalculations in a fraction of a
second, because you're operatingwithin that, that entire realm
of you.
Know one and zero.
The thing that I've had to lookat some other kind of articles
and reviews on this tounderstand it a little bit
better.
And it seems like this, becauseI'm kind of with you like when
(16:27):
it, when it, when it, whenpeople talk about quantum
computing, like I remember whenI was applying for my visa to
come to Australia, like quantumcomputing was like at one of the
top of the list things, and I'mlike I was like damn, if
they're looking for quantumcomputing, you know engineers
and things like that likethere's no way I'm going to get
a visa.
That's so far out of my realm,um, but it's, it's kind of taken
(16:48):
a backseat.
I don't hear a lot about ituntil as of recent, and it
sounds like this with Microsoft,like it's been a completely
different kind of top-downarchitectural approach to
quantum computing that differsfrom what has been going on for
the last, you know, 2015 years.
And you know, they kind ofintroduced this new.
What are the chips called?
Majorana?
(17:09):
I think is what it's calledMajorana, yeah, majorana is the
name which is apparently basedon a specific subatomic particle
that is also its ownantiparticle at the same time.
So, like it kind of negatessome of the stuff that qubits
have with decoherence, wherethey kind of like, I guess they
like interfere with each otherin some capacity to like, and
(17:30):
the more decoherence, the lessaccurate your results can be.
So there's a lot of like errorcorrections and things like that
that uh, come into play.
This is, this is all from myvery stupid brain.
What do I've looked up in thelast you know a couple of hours?
But yeah, so like, um, my, mything is, like, from a security
perspective.
You know I've we've heard of,like from what you just said,
(17:52):
like the you know there was thiskind of thing about you know
whether or not you knowencryption and security
protocols.
Are, you know, kind of preparedfor quantum based encryption,
right, and you know there's beenthings that have been put out
that are, like you know, kind ofquantum safe algorithms and
things like that.
But I question whether or not,like if Microsoft has taken a
(18:13):
completely different approach tothis, does that kind of change
this in any capacity?
I haven't.
Obviously the news on this is,you know, days old at this point
, so I don't know if there'sbeen enough kind of investment
or you know kind of researchinto this.
But like I wonder if that justchanged the quantum safe
(18:33):
algorithm conversationaltogether.
But I would hope it doesn't.
Well, yeah.
Tim McConnaughy (18:38):
the question is then also how do you because
quantum safe algorithms have weactually, I don't know they say
quantum safe algorithms andmathematically are they safe, or
do we actually test themsomehow with the quantum
computing that we can do rightnow to make sure that they're?
Chris Miles (18:53):
safe.
Yeah, that's true.
Tim McConnaughy (18:55):
Or is this already just idea?
Like we, it should be safemathematically, like, but you
know in which case?
Yeah, we probably.
There probably needs to be alot of vetting or re-vetting
depending on how this changesthe game, but it, I mean, the
main thing it says is that it'sbasically it.
It shaves the amount of timethat we're going to need to
actually make this a thing likea household name.
Chris Miles (19:13):
Yeah, they, they're talking about quantum computers
within years instead of decades.
Tim McConnaughy (19:16):
Right, it was kind of a piece from Nadella.
Right.
So I mean, what does thatreally mean, right?
So I guess that's the realquestion, but yeah, no, very
good question.
If it does change theconversation about it, then what
does that mean, and how are wesure that it changes the
conversation, or where do you gofrom here then, if things are
(19:38):
different now?
Chris Miles (19:40):
Like, oh man, yeah, because I think this actually
comes on the heels of Googlejust announced a similar chip.
Not a similar chip, but also akind of a new quantum computing
chip that they offered.
That is still kind of keepingthe same classic architecture
that they've been working on,but it severely reduced the
amount of error correction thatneeded to take place.
(20:00):
But this one's like everyone'slike I've heard comparisons that
this is going to be as big of agame changer as, like, the
transistor, which is, yeah.
That's a very bold claim, butlike I don't know, like if it is
something that would be, that'dbe cool.
But, like, like you said, Idon't think you and I are smart
(20:21):
enough to really understand whatthis means at this point.
Tim McConnaughy (20:24):
Yeah, you got to get somebody to tell us what
this means.
Chris Miles (20:26):
Yeah, I need an explain to me, like I'm five
scenario Please.
Oh shit, that was your article,wasn't it?
Sorry, yeah.
Tim McConnaughy (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Chris Miles (20:34):
Let me find it.
Tim McConnaughy (20:35):
We can make this quick.
Chris Miles (20:36):
Okay, yeah, it's the DDoS one.
Okay, all right.
And to round out the news forthis week, we have one more
article here from SDX Central,which is about the, you know,
the Zayo group has apparentlypublished a report, a DDoS
insights report, saying thatfrom 2023 to 2024, there has
been an increase in distributeddenial of service attacks, up
(20:58):
82% from 2023 to or sorry, 2023to 2024.
And kind of talking about thewidespread of cyber criminals
now leveraging things like AIand the growing number of IoT
devices across the board.
This one, I feel like we'rejust throwing this in here as a
pat on the back for us.
As we also said, this isprobably going to happen.
(21:20):
You know, kind of theproliferation of AI just really
was going to, you know, kind of,assist those, the bad actors to
take, you know, kind of takethe guardrails off these things
and do bad things with them, andI think this is probably the
first instance of that.
Obviously, I haven't operatedin the mind of a cyber criminal
much in my life, so I don't knowif this is true, but to me, on
(21:42):
the surface, it seems like aDDoS is probably one of the
easier things to do, because youdon't have to be in someone's
network to DDoS them, right, youneed to kind of have control
points outside of their controland then you can, you know,
perform a DDoS in that capacity.
So this seems like this isprobably the lowest rung in the
ladder type thing, the easiestthing to mimic and, and you know
(22:06):
, use AI to do so.
Um, sad to say, it's probablygoing to get worse from here, um
, but yeah, this is uhinteresting to see.
Tim McConnaughy (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, I know it mentions that, so the
IoT thing makes sense, that's.
I mean, iot is basically abotnet waiting to happen.
Chris Miles (22:21):
Yeah, that's been a conversation for 10 years.
Tim McConnaughy (22:23):
at this point, Exactly Like IoT security is so
bad.
Right, like, because most IoTdevelopers and IoT manufacturers
use like the lowest commondenominator parts and code and
protocols that are supported andsecurity is like laughably bad.
Right, like everybody knowsthat iot security is the worst.
Um, so this idea of of iotbotnets is it's legit, right
(22:47):
like it's.
It's definitely a thing.
It mentions utilizing ai, and Iknow we talked about, but I'm
curious if these things arerelated or like how they're.
It doesn't say how they'reactually utilizing the you know,
ai in the attack.
Like are they using AI to helpthem develop an attack?
Are they using AI to create acode like malicious code?
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I mean, you're not the AIwouldn't know any better,
necessarily, right, theguardrails just aren't there.
Ai security is going to be well,it's already becoming a thing,
right.
Security against promptinjection security, just
scrubbing the inputs so you'renot having data exfiltration
from the LLMs and stuff likethis.
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This just seems like anotherthing right, this, this, this
seems like another thing, right,like where it's not going to be
good enough to create a promptthat says don't give away
malicious, don't help.
You know cyber criminals createmalicious code.
You know it's not going to begood enough, right?
So I, I think this is a portentof a, like we said, right, it's
gonna it's be a portent of ofmore cyber crime and more
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sophisticated.
I don't know if it'll be moresophisticated actually now.
I say that I think more like,in the same way that script
kitties were enabled by, yeah,you know, the cali linux and
like, just you know, be havingthings kind of packaged up and
put a bow on for them.
Uh, I think ai is going to dothe same thing and make it more
widely accessible and louder.
Chris Miles (24:11):
Yeah, essentially, uh 100.
I totally agree, like I don't.
I don't think this is going toincrease the quality, I guess
you'd say, of a cyber attack.
It's just going to be aquantifiable measurement of more
, because probably one thingthat is hindering the precious
cyber criminals that we have outthere is time that they have to
invest in this stuff, and if AIcan come in and do more with
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less time, then it you know it'sgoing to be.
The thing is, there's a lot ofpeople that are exposed from
that perspective on the Internetthat just haven't been
compromised yet, right?
But it's going to end up beinga numbers game, and the more
that they have to go out andattack, the more that's going to
get compromised, right?
So the gist of the thing islike we need to take this shit
seriously is kind of what Igather, and you know, I think
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people are kind of skatingtowards the puck on that one,
but you know it's only going toget worse.
Tim McConnaughy (25:04):
Yeah, so those people that are into I mean.
So, cybersecurity has beengrowing for a while and I think
that AI, cybersecurity, ai pluscybersecurity, is definitely
going to be a very quicklygrowing thing, because it'll
have to be.
I think it will look differentthan regular cybersecurity,
because we're not.
It's not quite the same as,like application security or
(25:25):
like it's like some weird newthing that I can't figure out, I
think hasn't quite been figuredout yet, right?
But yeah, definitely going toneed it and yeah, it's going to
be, otherwise we're going to beall attacked by.
It's going to be the school offish thing.
Up until now, there's been alot of school of fish problem,
where you have a million peopleout there vulnerable on the
internet, but cyber criminalsare spear phishing, right.
(25:45):
So once this becomescommoditized with AI, like yeah,
for sure it's going to be anumbers game.
Chris Miles (25:52):
Yeah, it's going to be a numbers game.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of the
Cables to Clouds fortnightlynews podcast, where we go over
some of the recent news articlesthat we've seen over the last
two weeks.
Give our opinions our hot takesover.
You know good substancematerial for you, the listener,
and we also provide you somelinks to have a look at them as
well.
So my name is Chris Miles.
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I'll be your host for this weekat BGP Main on Blue Sky.
Joining me, as always is I'mrunning out of adjectives to
describe Tim, but he's just abeautiful, lovely person.
Tim McConnaughy (00:46):
Yeah, there's a lot, did you get?
Chris Miles (00:49):
your thesaurus?
Yeah, exactly, tim McConaugheyat Carpe-DMVPN on Blue Sky as
well.
So with that let's hop rightinto the news this week.
So first up, we have a coupleof articles specifically about
training and certification,which is good for us we never
really hear a lot about thistopic and specifically within
cloud networking and things likethat.
(01:10):
But so first up we have anarticle here from STX Central
which is kind of just anoverview of an announcement that
CompTIA made about a newcertification called CloudNetX,
specifically focusing on ITprofessionals within cloud
network architecture andsecurity.
So this is apparently a newaddition that is part of
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CompTIA's EXPERT, that is expertwithout an E at the beginning,
just a capital X PERT program,which looks to be kind of a
series of expert levelcertifications that
theyifications.
Sorry that they offer.
I'll be honest, I've been out ofthe comptia game for for a
little bit and I didn't knowthey even offered this um, but
they seem to have ones over thiscloud net x, uh, vertical, as
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well as security x as well asdata x um, so this is kind of
rounding out that portfoliothere, um.
So yeah, it's like I said.
It's specifically focusing onhybrid cloud, it looks like with
the listing here.
Says validates the advancedskills needed to design,
engineer and integrate secure,scalable networking solutions
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and hybrid environments, and youknow, there's a wealth of stuff
covered on here.
Apparently they even get intothe details on things like
container networking and ai forautomation and things like that,
which is I don't know man.
Like I did not see this comingspecifically from comptia like
if we think of it like we'vealways been kind of talking
about like I mean, as far ascertification goes, training in,
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in, you know, infrastructuretechnologies.
Like the two most successfulthings out there are the ccna
and the+.
Like CompTIA has always been inthis game, for sure, but I feel
like the NetPlus has alwaysbeen kind of like the little
brother to the CCNA.
That's always like yeah, it'slike you know people will get it
and it's like it's definitely aworthwhile achievement.
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I'm not you know kind ofpooping on it or anything, but
it's always been like you knowit teaches you some fundamentals
but it's not.
I would never say NetPlus hasprobably proven enough to land
like a solid job as a networkengineer right, I feel like you
had to kind of go above that,but this sounds, like you know,
like a major leap beyond whatthe NetPlus is, and even on the
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landing page for thiscertification, they actually
have a little kind of comparecomparison matrix to how this
stacks up compared to the CCIE,the CCDE and the AWS advanced
networking specialty exam.
Um, which is funny because it'skind of pointing at, like, you
know, ours is only one exam with, you know, 165 questions and
the prerequisites are, um, let'ssee, 10 years, with five of
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those being in networkarchitecture.
I don't know how they validatethat.
Tim McConnaughy (03:46):
I have to assume yeah, that can't be a
true prerequisite, right, that'sgot to be like a suggestion.
Chris Miles (03:53):
Right, I mean, but it does call out the CCIE and
the CCDE as having no formalprerequisites which.
I guess is true, it's notformal.
I mean, it's heavily impliedthat you should have been
working in this or else it'sgoing to be very difficult for
you.
But if there's, are theylisting that there is a formal
prerequisite, like it has to bemet in some capacity before
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they'll even admit you into theexam?
I don't, I don't, I don't knowhow to do that.
Tim McConnaughy (04:18):
Yeah, how would you like send a resume Like I
don't even know how you would?
Chris Miles (04:28):
validate that one.
That's a weird one.
We're venturing into like CCARterritory with this one.
But yeah, like I said, this islike I'm definitely interested
in looking at this because likethe content sounds pretty good.
I don't think there's any kindof official training out for it
just yet, as we're just lookingat the announcement of the exam
itself.
Yeah that's right.
Yeah, man, I thought thissounds pretty cool.
I'd like to see it in actionand hopefully it lives up to the
(04:49):
hype.
But what about you, tim?
What do you think?
Tim McConnaughy (04:51):
Yeah, so I'm kind of with you, right, like I
didn't even know that they hadthis expert level with an X.
Maybe they're on the Elon trainor something, I'm not sure, but
we should just renameeverything X, it's the
everything certification.
Exactly, but no, no, no.
Seriously though, I mean,comptia is a good company.
(05:12):
They know what they're doing.
I mean I took my Security Plusforever ago.
I never did take my NetworkPlus.
I got it.
So when I took my degree atWestern Governors for cloud
computing, of course I had myCCIE, so they scratched off
pretty much all of thenetworking prerequisites for
that thing, including theNetwork Plus.
I did have to take the CloudPlus, which was interesting.
Comptia had a weird way ofdoing the Cloud Plus because it
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was heavily.
It was actually like I don'tknow 65-35 or something for
public cloud versus privatecloud.
So there was actually a ton ofprivate cloud stuff on that exam
.
I'm curious, given the, Iwouldn't even call it a
blueprint, but what they'resaying is going to be in this
cloud net X one, just howheavily they're going to lean
into Kubernetes or the AI stuffon top of the other cloud stuff.
(06:00):
Are they going to talk abouteach public cloud or is it just
going to cover it as a general?
You know what I mean.
Like it's because comt hasalways been kind of the the
switzerland of uh certifications.
Right, it doesn't lean veryheavily at all in uh direction
of a particular vendor.
Um, yeah, man, not much.
Not I, I do.
I do think it's hilarious,though, that they have this.
Here's our exam, and we'recomparing it to a ccie or a CCDE
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, which involve an eight-hourlab exam.
Chris Miles (06:27):
Right, right, yeah.
Just to your previous pointabout whether or not what CSPs
will be covered, if at all, Iwill say there is a listing on
the landing page that saysorganizations that contributed
to the development of this exam.
Aws and Google are on there, aswell as some other names like
Fidelity John Hopkins University, but Microsoft not on there.
Tim McConnaughy (06:48):
Not to say they wouldn't be involved.
Chris Miles (06:50):
But they or maybe I would imagine, if they're being
covered, they would be on therein some capacity.
So that was interesting.
Tim McConnaughy (06:58):
Yeah, I missed that.
But yeah, these areorganizations that quote unquote
contributed to the development,so does that mean they had SMEs
?
Basically that helped build theexam from these organizations.
But yeah, interesting thatMicrosoft's not on there.
Chris Miles (07:10):
So I'm wondering what that means.
I guess we'll find out when theinterview actually comes out.
Tim McConnaughy (07:15):
Cool, all right .
And then on the back of thatone, we actually have one from
our employer, aviatrix, that isjust announcing the Aviatrix
from our ACE program.
The Aviatrix is just announcingthe Aviatrix from our ACE
program, the Aviatrix CertifiedEngineer Program a new hybrid
cloud, ace, hybrid cloudcertification.
So fairly close to the sameidea, where it's going to be
focused on hybrid cloudconnectivity.
It's going to be focused onconnecting on-prem to the cloud
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using the Aviatrix framework,also including middle mile
providers like Equinix andMegaport, so people who take
this certification will alsolearn how to do it through
spinning up Megaport and Equinixvirtual environment edges and,
of course, like I said, on-premto the cloud.
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So it's interesting to see thatthese two just happen to come
out around the same time,because we've been saying for a
while that hybrid cloud is thefuture.
For so long We've been saying,for hybrid cloud is the future
and I think we're finallystarting to see.
You know, of course, to be fair, I mean, aviatrix has been on
the hybrid cloud train forever.
It's just been.
It's just taken us a while todevelop an actual curriculum for
that specifically.
But yeah, it's good to see morevendors leaning into hybrid
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cloud as the future.
Chris Miles (08:26):
Totally agree.
Yeah, I think probably a bit ofthe AI shift has probably
pushed this into the foregrounda little bit more than it was
previously, which is a goodthing for us.
Right, we get to say that wewere right, although I think we
were probably.
I mean, to be honest, we wereprobably predicting something
that everyone knew it was goingto be right.
But hey, you know, we get tostand on that right.
(08:47):
But no, yeah, this is great.
Yeah, I've obviously had a handin configuring this solution
many times with our hybridsolution integrations with
Equinix and Megaport, and youknow we have close relationships
with them.
So glad to see everyone else isgoing to get access to that and
yeah really excited for this.
(09:07):
It'll be cool.
Tim McConnaughy (09:08):
Definitely one of our better certifications
that we've rolled out recently.
Chris Miles (09:13):
Agreed, agreed, All right next up, we have an
announcement from CloudFlarethat they are entering the
multi-cloud networking marketwith their new product, which is
called Magic Cloud Networking.
So, if you are familiar, Ithink we covered this back when
it announced I think it was like.
Tim McConnaughy (09:29):
What was it?
It was a year ago.
Chris Miles (09:31):
Yeah, it was about, I thought, maybe a little bit
less than a year ago.
Basically, cloudflare hadacquired a company called Nefeli
, which is or Nefeli Networks,which was a multi-cloud
networking solution MCN solutionreally focused on the
orchestration of buildingmulti-cloud networks.
So it was kind of weird becauseI had never heard of Nefeli.
(09:52):
But by the time they gotacquired, if you went to their
website it was alreadyredirecting to Cloudflare like
day one.
So it was kind of hard to kindof go back into the past and see
what it was.
But it seemed like it was anorchestration engine that
probably leveraged a lot of thepublic cloud APIs and things
like that to build networks andcorrelated building tunnels
(10:13):
between them as well.
So pretty cool interface.
I remember seeing that.
But now they've finally kind ofrebranded this as their own
product, which is the magiccloud networking.
So pretty much everything thatCloudflare has done has had the
magic moniker on it.
So it fits in with that.
It seems like they are leaningin that this is going to be a
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direct integration with theirconnectivity cloud platform,
which is kind of a it seems likean all-inclusive type platform
that they offer that seems togive, like some of the you know
SASE type connectivity options,wan as a service, sse is also
integrated in this thing as well, so cool to see this come to
fruition.
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One thing that I definitely hada question about when I was
looking at the Nefeli solutionback in the day and I still kind
of have that impression now isI don't know where the
visibility piece comes in.
There is a point here that theylet you know that it's for a
lot of customers that want toincrease visibility as well.
As you know, obviouslyorchestration is a valuable
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thing, but I don't know whereyou get the insights into the
traffic going between clouds orinto clouds, et cetera, from
Cloudflare's perspective.
So I'd like to Um, yeah, Ithink it's.
You know it took them a while,but they finally got it out
there.
There's not there's not a tonon the docs page just yet, so
I'm looking to see that getpopulated out.
But, um, yeah, pretty cool.
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What do you think, tim?
Tim McConnaughy (11:40):
Yeah, I, I want to see the actual integration
because I mean, cloudflare's gotthe whole magic uh, I don't
know, magic stick, magic mic, Idon't know, whatever the hell
you call it, their magicquadrant maybe.
I think maybe they're waitingfor that one, for Gartner, to
give it to them.
But you know, yeah, I mean,it's the same thing.
Like these, you have a singlevendor who, honestly, is pretty
(12:04):
well positioned I meanCloudflare being the pretty much
the almost the de facto CDNthese days Very well positioned
to do this kind of orchestration.
I'm with you, man.
I'd not heard of Nefeli untilthey got acquired, and by that
point it was impossible tofigure out how the hell it
worked, what it was.
It's been almost like stealthsince then.
(12:24):
So I am very curious to seewhere the rubber meets the road
on this Magic Cloud networkingthing.
What does it actually do?
And I've got the same questionIf all it does is orchestration,
you're going to get thevisibility that the CSPs give
you, which is not a great amountof visibility, right?
You're going to get metadata,or maybe they'll set up a VPC
(12:45):
traffic mirroring.
Maybe VPC traffic mirroringwill be part of it.
All that stuff is superexpensive, but maybe that's just
part of the hey, maybe it's anon-demand or turn it on and turn
it off type of of setup.
I don't know, man.
Yeah, I'm just throwing dartsat a board here.
I really want to see how thisactually works and, more
importantly, how it works aspart of their total package,
(13:06):
like all their magic.
Chris Miles (13:07):
Yeah, that's the thing is that, like I understand
how the orchestration piece andpotentially, you, that's the
thing is that, like I understandhow the orchestration piece and
potentially, you know,incorporating the existing cloud
visibility into this, would youknow, all operate well within
one single interface.
I totally get that.
But the thing is, orchestratingall of that comes at a cost,
right?
All those solutions come at acost.
The visibility comes at a veryhigh cost as well, for you know,
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like you said, VPC flow logsand mirroring things like that.
So, like I'm, I'm, like yousaid, VPC flow logs and
mirroring things like that.
So, like I'm, I'm questioning,like where, where does that
value kind of meet its tippingpoint, Right?
Um, because it's it's.
I mean, if you're orchestrating, you know building a Fabergé
egg, you know you still have topay for it to build a Fabergé
egg, Right?
Tim McConnaughy (13:44):
So it's like like yeah, but yeah, it's super
interesting, glad we would.
Chris Miles (13:49):
We've been wondering when this was going to
come out, so I'm glad to see itfinally hitting the market.
Yeah it also took like a year,right, yeah, so I'm kind of
surprised it took that long.
To be honest with you, itseemed like with the offering
that they at least are kind ofpresenting to us now, it seems
like a pretty simple integration, right.
So I was kind of surprised ittook this long.
(14:11):
But there, you know, maybe Imean there's probably competing
priorities at Cloudflare, yeah,I imagine so.
Tim McConnaughy (14:17):
Yeah, all right , let's just launch right into
this next one because it'sfucking confusing.
So Microsoft has unveiled a newquantum chip which sounds
really awesome.
I can't even.
Which sounds really awesome, Ican't even.
Quantum computing is something Iwas not unaware of but had no
real skin in the game on.
(14:39):
And then a few years ago, whenI was a few years ago, I was at
where was I?
Duarte.
I was at Duarte's speaking.
Cisco would pay if you're goingto speak at Cisco Live.
Cisco would pay for you to goto train at Duarte, the speaking
engagement company, to learnhow to present.
And I was there with someonefrom one of the BU's and she was
(15:00):
talking about quantum computingand basically how quantum
computing was going to makeencryption worthless.
Basically it was just like withquantum computing you can break
encryption in a negligibleamount of time.
So then I was like holy crap,like why aren't we?
Why isn't the sky falling onthis stuff?
Right, like finding this stuffout?
And it turns out because wewere like really far away from
any making of that happen, butapparently we've made huge leaps
(15:21):
and bounds, or rather thanMicrosoft has recently.
And yeah, I mean, I don't even,I can't even refer to the
article very well, was it qubits, right?
Qubits are like the computingcomputing, um, uh units that uh
quantum computing uses.
I understand the, I understandthe idea like of it, but I I
(15:41):
don't know what this meansultimately yeah, it's.
Chris Miles (15:44):
I mean, I think I think we'll be the first to tell
you this is not, this is waybeyond the realm of intelligence
that Tim or I possess, toreally kind of give you a good
take on this.
But I mean, yeah, when you,when I look at quantum computing
, whenever I look it up, it'sall like kind of gets into this
element of qubits and thingslike that, which is, I mean,
basically it sounds like, youknow, in terms of bits it can be
(16:05):
zero or a one and a qubit.
At the same time, yeah, yeah itcan be both, so you can kind of
do these like very complicatedcalculations in a fraction of a
second, because you're operatingwithin that, that entire realm
of you.
Know one and zero.
The thing that I've had to lookat some other kind of articles
and reviews on this tounderstand it a little bit
better.
And it seems like this, becauseI'm kind of with you like when
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it, when it, when it, whenpeople talk about quantum
computing, like I remember whenI was applying for my visa to
come to Australia, like quantumcomputing was like at one of the
top of the list things, and I'mlike I was like damn, if
they're looking for quantumcomputing, you know engineers
and things like that likethere's no way I'm going to get
a visa.
That's so far out of my realm,um, but it's, it's kind of taken
(16:48):
a backseat.
I don't hear a lot about ituntil as of recent, and it
sounds like this with Microsoft,like it's been a completely
different kind of top-downarchitectural approach to
quantum computing that differsfrom what has been going on for
the last, you know, 2015 years.
And you know, they kind ofintroduced this new.
What are the chips called?
Majorana?
(17:09):
I think is what it's calledMajorana, yeah, majorana is the
name which is apparently basedon a specific subatomic particle
that is also its ownantiparticle at the same time.
So, like it kind of negatessome of the stuff that qubits
have with decoherence, wherethey kind of like, I guess they
like interfere with each otherin some capacity to like, and
(17:30):
the more decoherence, the lessaccurate your results can be.
So there's a lot of like errorcorrections and things like that
that uh, come into play.
This is, this is all from myvery stupid brain.
What do I've looked up in thelast you know a couple of hours?
But yeah, so like, um, my, mything is, like, from a security
perspective.
You know I've we've heard of,like from what you just said,
(17:52):
like the you know there was thiskind of thing about you know
whether or not you knowencryption and security
protocols.
Are, you know, kind of preparedfor quantum based encryption,
right, and you know there's beenthings that have been put out
that are, like you know, kind ofquantum safe algorithms and
things like that.
But I question whether or not,like if Microsoft has taken a
(18:13):
completely different approach tothis, does that kind of change
this in any capacity?
I haven't.
Obviously the news on this is,you know, days old at this point
, so I don't know if there'sbeen enough kind of investment
or you know kind of researchinto this.
But like I wonder if that justchanged the quantum safe
(18:33):
algorithm conversationaltogether.
But I would hope it doesn't.
Well, yeah.
Tim McConnaughy (18:38):
the question is then also how do you because
quantum safe algorithms have weactually, I don't know they say
quantum safe algorithms andmathematically are they safe, or
do we actually test themsomehow with the quantum
computing that we can do rightnow to make sure that they're?
Chris Miles (18:53):
safe.
Yeah, that's true.
Tim McConnaughy (18:55):
Or is this already just idea?
Like we, it should be safemathematically, like, but you
know in which case?
Yeah, we probably.
There probably needs to be alot of vetting or re-vetting
depending on how this changesthe game, but it, I mean, the
main thing it says is that it'sbasically it.
It shaves the amount of timethat we're going to need to
actually make this a thing likea household name.
Chris Miles (19:13):
Yeah, they, they're talking about quantum computers
within years instead of decades.
Tim McConnaughy (19:16):
Right, it was kind of a piece from Nadella.
Right.
So I mean, what does thatreally mean, right?
So I guess that's the realquestion, but yeah, no, very
good question.
If it does change theconversation about it, then what
does that mean, and how are wesure that it changes the
conversation, or where do you gofrom here then, if things are
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different now?
Chris Miles (19:40):
Like, oh man, yeah, because I think this actually
comes on the heels of Googlejust announced a similar chip.
Not a similar chip, but also akind of a new quantum computing
chip that they offered.
That is still kind of keepingthe same classic architecture
that they've been working on,but it severely reduced the
amount of error correction thatneeded to take place.
(20:00):
But this one's like everyone'slike I've heard comparisons that
this is going to be as big of agame changer as, like, the
transistor, which is, yeah.
That's a very bold claim, butlike I don't know, like if it is
something that would be, that'dbe cool.
But, like, like you said, Idon't think you and I are smart
(20:21):
enough to really understand whatthis means at this point.
Tim McConnaughy (20:24):
Yeah, you got to get somebody to tell us what
this means.
Chris Miles (20:26):
Yeah, I need an explain to me, like I'm five
scenario Please.
Oh shit, that was your article,wasn't it?
Sorry, yeah.
Tim McConnaughy (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Chris Miles (20:34):
Let me find it.
Tim McConnaughy (20:35):
We can make this quick.
Chris Miles (20:36):
Okay, yeah, it's the DDoS one.
Okay, all right.
And to round out the news forthis week, we have one more
article here from SDX Central,which is about the, you know,
the Zayo group has apparentlypublished a report, a DDoS
insights report, saying thatfrom 2023 to 2024, there has
been an increase in distributeddenial of service attacks, up
(20:58):
82% from 2023 to or sorry, 2023to 2024.
And kind of talking about thewidespread of cyber criminals
now leveraging things like AIand the growing number of IoT
devices across the board.
This one, I feel like we'rejust throwing this in here as a
pat on the back for us.
As we also said, this isprobably going to happen.
(21:20):
You know, kind of theproliferation of AI just really
was going to, you know, kind of,assist those, the bad actors to
take, you know, kind of takethe guardrails off these things
and do bad things with them, andI think this is probably the
first instance of that.
Obviously, I haven't operatedin the mind of a cyber criminal
much in my life, so I don't knowif this is true, but to me, on
(21:42):
the surface, it seems like aDDoS is probably one of the
easier things to do, because youdon't have to be in someone's
network to DDoS them, right, youneed to kind of have control
points outside of their controland then you can, you know,
perform a DDoS in that capacity.
So this seems like this isprobably the lowest rung in the
ladder type thing, the easiestthing to mimic and, and you know
(22:06):
, use AI to do so.
Um, sad to say, it's probablygoing to get worse from here, um
, but yeah, this is uhinteresting to see.
Tim McConnaughy (22:13):
Yeah, yeah, I know it mentions that, so the
IoT thing makes sense, that's.
I mean, iot is basically abotnet waiting to happen.
Chris Miles (22:21):
Yeah, that's been a conversation for 10 years.
Tim McConnaughy (22:23):
at this point, Exactly Like IoT security is so
bad.
Right, like, because most IoTdevelopers and IoT manufacturers
use like the lowest commondenominator parts and code and
protocols that are supported andsecurity is like laughably bad.
Right, like everybody knowsthat iot security is the worst.
Um, so this idea of of iotbotnets is it's legit, right
(22:47):
like it's.
It's definitely a thing.
It mentions utilizing ai, and Iknow we talked about, but I'm
curious if these things arerelated or like how they're.
It doesn't say how they'reactually utilizing the you know,
ai in the attack.
Like are they using AI to helpthem develop an attack?
Are they using AI to create acode like malicious code?
(23:10):
I mean, you're not the AIwouldn't know any better,
necessarily, right, theguardrails just aren't there.
Ai security is going to be well,it's already becoming a thing,
right.
Security against promptinjection security, just
scrubbing the inputs so you'renot having data exfiltration
from the LLMs and stuff likethis.
(23:30):
This just seems like anotherthing right, this, this, this
seems like another thing, right,like where it's not going to be
good enough to create a promptthat says don't give away
malicious, don't help.
You know cyber criminals createmalicious code.
You know it's not going to begood enough, right?
So I, I think this is a portentof a, like we said, right, it's
gonna it's be a portent of ofmore cyber crime and more
(23:52):
sophisticated.
I don't know if it'll be moresophisticated actually now.
I say that I think more like,in the same way that script
kitties were enabled by, yeah,you know, the cali linux and
like, just you know, be havingthings kind of packaged up and
put a bow on for them.
Uh, I think ai is going to dothe same thing and make it more
widely accessible and louder.
Chris Miles (24:11):
Yeah, essentially, uh 100.
I totally agree, like I don't.
I don't think this is going toincrease the quality, I guess
you'd say, of a cyber attack.
It's just going to be aquantifiable measurement of more
, because probably one thingthat is hindering the precious
cyber criminals that we have outthere is time that they have to
invest in this stuff, and if AIcan come in and do more with
(24:35):
less time, then it you know it'sgoing to be.
The thing is, there's a lot ofpeople that are exposed from
that perspective on the Internetthat just haven't been
compromised yet, right?
But it's going to end up beinga numbers game, and the more
that they have to go out andattack, the more that's going to
get compromised, right?
So the gist of the thing islike we need to take this shit
seriously is kind of what Igather, and you know, I think
(24:59):
people are kind of skatingtowards the puck on that one,
but you know it's only going toget worse.
Tim McConnaughy (25:04):
Yeah, so those people that are into I mean.
So, cybersecurity has beengrowing for a while and I think
that AI, cybersecurity, ai pluscybersecurity, is definitely
going to be a very quicklygrowing thing, because it'll
have to be.
I think it will look differentthan regular cybersecurity,
because we're not.
It's not quite the same as,like application security or
(25:25):
like it's like some weird newthing that I can't figure out, I
think hasn't quite been figuredout yet, right?
But yeah, definitely going toneed it and yeah, it's going to
be, otherwise we're going to beall attacked by.
It's going to be the school offish thing.
Up until now, there's been alot of school of fish problem,
where you have a million peopleout there vulnerable on the
internet, but cyber criminalsare spear phishing, right.
(25:45):
So once this becomescommoditized with AI, like yeah,
for sure it's going to be anumbers game.
Chris Miles (25:52):
Yeah, it's going to be a numbers game.
All right With that if you'vemade it to the end.
Thank you for sticking with us.
We are going to put all thesearticles into the show notes.
So there's a doc that wepublish on just a Google sheet
with all the articles that wecover, plus a few articles that
we don't always get around tocovering that we think might be
interesting.
So please take a click on thatlink.
(26:12):
I've never said that before.
Take a click on that link.
I've never said that before.
Take a click on that link Idon't know if that's a phrase
Take a click on that link.
Yeah, I was going to say take alook at it.
But take a click on that link,bro.
I think that'll make you feelhappy.
Tim McConnaughy (26:25):
It's going to catch on.
Chris Miles (26:26):
Yeah, it's going to work.
It's going to be like a fetch.
It's going to be a fetch, butyeah, thanks for joining us this
week.
My name is Chris Miles.
Join me as Tim McConaughey andwe will see you next week.
Bye-bye.
Tim McConnaughy (26:41):
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