Episode #18 - From Homeless to World Champion: The Rise of Bad Jackie - Caffeinated Jiu Jitsu

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello everyone, joe, here, before we begin today's
episode, I want to give you agentle heads up.
Our guest, jacqueline Young, isa two-time Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
world champion, but you see, herstory goes far beyond the mats.
She takes us on a powerfuljourney through addiction,
homelessness and through deeppersonal and family struggles.

(00:23):
Some of these topics we'lldiscuss during this episode may
stir intense emotions to somelisteners.
However, this story is one ofresilience, transformation and
the incredible power ofBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu to change
our lives.
It's a conversation full ofhope, inspiration and strength.

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So let's get caffeinated and Ihope you enjoy.
Homeless to World Champion theRise of Bad Jackie.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Welcome to Caffeinated Jiu-Jitsu the blend
of white belt enthusiasm, blackbelt wisdom and a dash of
caffeine for that extra kick.
Dive deep into the world ofBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu as we
explore the journey, techniques,challenges and the sheer joy of
the sport from a white belt'sperspective, from intriguing

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interviews with renowned coachesand professors to playful fun
episodes that'll have youchuckling mid-roll.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
We've got it all brewed and ready Now stepping
onto the mats and into your earshere's your host, joe moats,

(02:01):
and I cannot tell you howexcited I am about today's
episode.
This is one of those episodesthat's actually going to have or
well, you've already heard itif you're listening to this a
disclaimer at the beginning ofit, because today you are going

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to go on a wild story with ourguest.
Today, here on the show we haveJacqueline Young and Jackie say
hello, hello.
Yeah, jackie has.
She is someone with many, manytitles.
Okay, she is.

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We were joking the other day,uh, when we were together about
it was game of thrones, right?
yeah, yeah do you know the wholeline like um first of her name,
queen of the like.
Can you say that whole thing?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
I can't ever remember the whole thing I know she's
like I'm queen denaris, breakerof chains, the unburnt Mother of
Dragons.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Look at this yeah, the Unchained something crazy.
Well, jackie or Jacqueline haskind of the same mantra that
follows her around.
So she is a brown belt inBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu, a newly
promoted brown belt here inAlliance.
She is a two-time master worldchampion.

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She is your pan champion aswell.
Right, are you pan?
No, I meddled at pan meddled atpan and then she has what is it
?
17 ibjjf open championships, oris there more than that?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
No, it's 17 gold IBJF gold medals.
United States Army veteran.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's right, mother and nursing student.
Nursing student.
Crazy, I mean, there's not toomany other titles left out there
, right?
No?
And Jackie has a story for usand a lot of you probably

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clicked on this episode becauseof the title.
It's Homeless to World Champion.
The Rise of Bad Jackie.
We're going to talk about theBad Jackie part a little bit
later.
But yeah, just welcome Jackie,so excited to have you here.
It's kind of cool.
We get to do this a second timebecause of technical problems
the first time.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
No, it's okay, I'm an overthinker.
I really thought about it.
I was like maybe I shouldn'thave said that or maybe that was
too much truth.
But thank you for having me on.
I'm honored and I'm reallyexcited.
Yeah, having me on.
I'm honored and I'm reallyexcited.
Yeah, yeah me too.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah, I know, I mean, you know I've heard your story.
This will be the second timeI've heard your story and it
blows me away.
And you know to those of youout there, look, if you are in
the car in your morning commuteand you're taking your kids to
school, this might not be theepisode for that, unless you've

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dropped them off.
But you're going to go on thestory with Jackie and I, so
let's get it started.
Jackie, let's start Talk usthrough a little bit about your
life before jiu-jitsu, kind ofjust basically where you grew up

(05:29):
, where you were born, whatfamily life was like, and then
we'll go from there.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So I think it's important to start off by saying
that I was raised in anormal-ish household.
My parents were divorced when Iwas young and my mom, she, was a
medical professional.
Everything on her side wascompletely normal, and we grew

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up on the south side of Atlanta,in Fayette County, and when my
parents divorced I always kindof knew that there was something
weird with my dad, but we justnever really knew what it was.
And I remember when I turned 18, for some reason my mom just
decided to spill this truth bombon me about my dad.

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And when I was younger, mysisters and I, we always knew
that my dad was a cop before wewere born and we were always
told oh, I didn't, you know, Iquit cuz I didn't like it.
And I we believed him, or atleast I did.
I never brought it up, but whenI was 18 I just decided to one
day tell me that my dad wasn't acop anymore, not because he

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didn't like it, but because hewas actually sodomizing the
inmates that were being arrestedby him.
And then he spent jail, or no,he spent time in prison for it.
Jail and prison are verydifferent.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Very different.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
And yeah, so that really rocked my world.
And my dad committed sex crimesagainst one of my friends one
day when I was having a seizurein the floor and I think that

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that really just kind of ruinedmy world, because I was only 18
when he did that 18 or 19 and um, I don't think as an adult
would even know how to deal withthat like their parent becoming
a sex offender in their eyesand you're just kind of like, oh
my god, and I never spoke tohim again after that.
Um, because I didn't.
I mean, how do you look someonein the eyes, you know,
especially a parent, and be like, wow, hey, you raped my friend
when I was dying in the floor,like you didn't care about me at

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all.
Uh, so that was reallytraumatic for me and and then I
ran away from that by joiningthe military and I was in the
military for a little while.
Um found out I had epilepsy, soI came home and you know the

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military wasn't traumatic at all.
I loved being in the army.
Um, I was a combat medic, I wasa 68 Whiskey.
I did my, yeah, I did my.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
I still find myself wanting to say that when
something cool happens, Like butI don't say it out loud, but no
one would know they don't, andthen they would look at you
weird.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Like you're making a sex noise.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Exactly right.
Oh my God, I never realizedthat.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yes, yes, exactly, I guess if you, I don't want to
point it out.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
You would, you would, but I guess it's kind of
fitting Too soon.
No, no, not too soon.
I'll probably have a plan todeal with it.
Look, we're only seven minutesin here and this is where we're
at I know Okay.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, where we're at, okay, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, all
right.
So, yeah, keep going.
So I came home and I was takingthe shower and my phone rings.
And I don't know, I'm the typeof person like I don't just say
I'll, I'll call these peopleback, like I don't, don't know,
I'm addicted to my phone, Ialways answer it and I answer my
phone and I hear Faye CountySheriff's department.
Do you know somebody that livesat one 40 Braymar drive?

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And the only thing I could saywas he's dead, isn't he?
And I knew he was dead becauseI had had a dream the month
before that he was dead and,without trying to directly
contact my father, I wentthrough every avenue possible to
try to indirectly check to seeif he was still alive.
I had my aunt drive by hishouse I was working in real

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estate at the time and I sawthat he had listed the house for
sale and called the listingagent to see if she had heard
from the guy.
Like I pretended to be aninterested buyer.
She's like, oh no, he'sprobably you know, and it's
House in the Mountains.
And I'm like, oh my God, my dadbought a house in the mountains
.
But he didn't.
He bought property.
So, yeah, he had been dead.

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He died alone in the house andhe had been dead for quite some
time.
I went down there, there andpeople kept trying to warn me.
Oh, you don't want to go inthere, but we need you to
identify the body.
I'm like, well, how am I goingto go in there or not go in
there and identify him?
But, um, they just kept tryingto warn me and I'm like I wish

(10:41):
people would.
I was, I'm like, just let me domy job.
And I went in there and, um itthey.
They weren't wrong.
I'll never forget the way helooked Like I thought it was a
gory Halloween mask.

(11:01):
I thought there were, you know,thought there were bugs
crawling in and out of his mouth.
He was getting puffy Becausewhen you die, your body starts
to swell and, in a way, explode.
How long was he in there?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
How long did they think he would?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
be Over a month.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh, wow.
Was it summer, was itsummertime?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, so January 10th is when I went to the house to
be like, yep, that's him, andand um, so he had probably died
between November and December,cause he was already like yellow
and purple and his leg fell offwhen they picked him up and

(11:49):
yeah, so there was no autopsy oranything like that.
We just had him cremated, andthen having his ashes in my
house never felt right with me,so I threw it away inside of a
doggy poo bin in a apartmentcomplex.
yeah, that's how much I don'trespect my my father so all of
that set me off on the road todrug addiction yeah, I mean, do

(12:14):
you mind sharing?

Speaker 1 (12:15):
uh, you know your your journey there into out of
um, I don't mind that at all.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
No, I don't mind.
So a lot of people believe thenarrative that you know, people
are born addicts and you know,like you don't ever know if
you're one.
It's almost like a zombie.
You know, people think, oh, Ican't have one drink or I'll
morph into this werewolf, andthen there's no turning back.

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And maybe for some people thatis true, but for me I decided to
do drugs because it allowed meto not feel anything.
And being completely numb wasamazing for me, because I'm a

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person that has big feelings,naturally, anyways.
So when I went through all ofthat, I can't say I was more
affected than anyone else wouldbe, but I was really bad off
emotionally.
I don't even have the words todescribe that.
I was just kind of like, whywould he do that?

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That was my dad.
He gave birth to me, he wantedme.
Did he even want me?
Like?
It was just so much.
But I couldn't maintainemployment and so I started
dancing at the Cheetah.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, the plot thickens.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I know I was like I've done it all.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is the cheetah still there?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
It's still there right, it is, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
That thing has been around forever.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
It has.
It has the cheetah and the pinkpony.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's still there too.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It's been around for a long time it is, oh my gosh
yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean, I've never been to either one of those, but
you know.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
There's a big difference between the two.
The Cheetah is a very upscale,vegas-style, very upscale
gentleman's club and they have afive-star restaurant inside
called Olivia.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Five-star Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yes, five stars.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
All right.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
And the Pink pink pony does not have that.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
They give you yeah, I mean it's not as classy right
pink pony.
You kind of know that, likeit's scaled down, right pink
pony.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I mean it doesn't even sound like they went
through a lot of effort namingit it's like oh no anyway, yeah,
but no, I started working therebecause I mean all I had to do
was look pretty and show up atnight and dance and I mean I
would make a ton of money a tonof money, but I couldn't do it

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if I didn't have some drinks inme.
And eventually I met this dancerand she's like here, try one of
these.
And I was like, what is it?
She's like, oh, it's a Percocet.
And I was like, okay, I tookhalf of it and, oh my gosh, I
felt amazing and, um, eventually, that half of a Percocet turned

(15:18):
into like five at one time andthat turned into 20 a day, and
they were five dollars a pilland that was back in like 2011,
I think.
So I'm sure with inflationthey've gone up, yeah bridge
went up, so is percocet yeah,gas prices right, yeah, hey,

(15:41):
yeah hey, you're not.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You're not getting high cheap anymore.
This is 2024.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Yes, yes, now we've got mouths to feed.
But the Percocet turned intothese little blue pills called
Roxacet or we would call themRoxies, called Roxaset or that
we would call them Roxies, andthat costs $25 a pill, and those

(16:12):
are what you give to someonewho has cancer and it's stronger
than morphine, and I was doing,eventually, up to eight of
those a day at $25 a pill.
Yeah, wow, so, yeah, so yeah.
The opiates Sorry, that's mydog.
He's old and grumpy.
I feel like I know him.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I see him all the time on IG.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, my pit bull, sam, wants to play and he's just
not having it.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Ah, got it.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
I don't want to play, but the opioids that wrecked
havoc on my body so bad I knew Iwas going to die if I didn't
stop, because there's a lethaldose.
It's called LD50 in the medicalfield and LD50 is lethal dose

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50%, and it's 50% of people diedif they took this much of this
drug.
And I was surpassing it and Iwas mixing it with
benzodiazepines.
So a lot of my life I was spentin this like constant state of
a nod, which is like you'reasleep but you're—it's like a

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zombie.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Just kind of prodging along through life were you
still?
Were you still working um?
Were you still working at thetime or had like everything?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
just kind of fell off when it got there, um no, I
wasn't working anymore, um,dancing anymore.
Dancing was soul-sucking for me.
I grew up, raised in aChristian household and I really
feel like, you know, I gave mylife to Christ when I was a

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child and I was baptized and allthat.
And the Bible says you know, ifyou're raised in the way of the
Lord, you may stray, but you'llalways return.
And I feel like, well, I don'tfeel, like I know that God
always had a hand on me andthat's why I'm still alive.

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So when I was working in such asinful and degrading place like
yeah, it's funny, I laugh atmyself and my mistakes, but I
mean on a real level like thatwas soul-sucking for me.
And I think God was slowly likechipping away at my heart like

(18:38):
Jacqueline, this isn't for you.
Jacqueline, this isn't for you,get out of it.
So I had to get out of it.
I was awake all night, peoplewere asleep all day.
I didn't feel like a humanbeing anymore, so I stopped.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
I want to pause right here.
At any time during that phaseof your life could you even
imagine that you would be whereyou are today and in the
situations you are in now?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right.
Crazy how life does that?
It is crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
It is.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I've never shared my story on a podcast, but even now
, sitting here and I'll be 45 inDecember I could never have
pictured my life turning outlike this.
And when I talk to others whohave you know these crazy
stories, I just kind of like toask them was there ever a point

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where you're like, oh, one dayI'm going to work out, I'm going
to wake up, I'm going to be aworld champion, jujitsu badass
with an awesome medical career?
Ahead of me.
You know, I'll just not tothrow you off.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
I just wanted to ask that.
Yeah, well, I mean and to gofurther into your to the answer
to that question I always wantedto work in healthcare because
of my mother.
Um, she was always somebodythat I looked up to.
I mean, we fought like cats anddogs, but I really looked up to
her and I admired her hard workand I always wanted to be a
nurse.
I told people I was a nursewhen I wasn't even a nurse, like

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I mean, I was stupid, but thatwas my dream.
But then I fell off the wagonand not only did I fall off, I
think I went down into a holeand it got to a point where I
was like man, this will never bea dream of mine, in fact being.
I felt like I was less thansomeone that would ever be a

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nurse.
Like, does that make sense?
Being a nurse was too good foryeah.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
I didn't deserve it.
Yeah, I think you're.
You're kind of looking atnurses as these wholesome caring
about everybody but themselves,and you felt everything
opposite of that.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Correct.
Yeah, like I would neverdeserve to ever be that, and
like now, here I am.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Right here and I am so grateful you graduate soon or
did you?
Graduate already.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
I graduate actually on my birthday, december 11th,
nice.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, that's right, we talked aboutth.
Nice yeah, that's right, wetalked about that.
Nice, yeah, december is goingto be a good month.
Yeah, it's going to be a goodmonth for you.
It's going to be a good month.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
These have been amazing years for me, Just you
know.
I guess to continue on with mystory, yeah, I guess to continue
on with my story, like theseyears that I have changed my
life.
Each one just comes with evenmore goals accomplished and my

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cup runneth over.
I guess you can say Like I amso fulfilled every year, every
year.
But you know, as I was saying,I felt like God was chipping
away at my heart and I needed toclean up my act and I was poor
because of all the pain pillsand the money that I spent on
them.
I decided to quit and I did notgo to a treatment facility.

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I thought those were stupid,because they want you to go in
there and be like I'm an addictand I'm powerless over myself
and my addiction, and I'm notpowerless again.
I didn't.
That's that bad, Jackieattitude.
That's that bad, jackie energyyeah, I know I'm not weak.

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You know I have the power and Ididn't view addiction as a
disease.
And people might disagree withme and I still don't.
You don't wake up with crackaddiction.
You know that's insulting tosomeone that has cancer.
Cancer is a disease.
You can wake up one day anddecide to stop doing drugs.
You can't wake up one day anddecide I don't want cancer

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anymore.
I love it to stop doing drugs.
You can't wake up one day anddecide I don't want cancer
anymore.
So, yeah, I just decided toquit cold turkey and I thought I
was going to die.
And so I decided to supplementthat with a different drug so
that I didn't feel thewithdrawals of opiates.
And then the next thing, youknow, I am completely homeless

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because my house was raided by aSWAT team.
I spent seven months in jailand I am.
I have no home.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So if so I know they didn't raid you because you
decided to stop doing opiates.
Mind sharing a little moreabout that.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
They raided my home because the roommates that I
allowed to live in my apartmentwere selling drugs out of my
apartment and somebody reportedquote suspicious activity, end
quote.
And they were like they'recoming out of this car and the

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car was apparently stolen.
I didn't know.
So they were looking for thepeople with tattoos, with a
blonde colored dog and theblonde dog was my pit bull at
the time, but yeah so sohomeless now he kicked down my

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door and said if you don't wantto die, don't move.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
And there were so many guns, oh my gosh, I
couldn't imagine they didn'thave a warrant.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
It would have been thrown out.
But I was tired of sitting injail for seven months, so I just
signed a plea deal saying Iwould complete my probation and
they would wipe it off my recordso that's what happened so now
you're out, yeah, you're, you'reon the streets now yep, I'm on
the streets and you know, whenyou're in that environment you

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just make friends with a bunchof other drug people and that's
um how I met this guy.
This guy's like I need helpwith computers and I was really
good with it and I helped himwith his computers and, uh, he
let me stay with him.
But that went south too.

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He lost his housing.
And next thing I know I'mliving in Gainesville in an old
mattress warehouse with norunning water, no electricity
and rats.
Wow, these rats are the size ofcats.
Wait a minute.
I've never seen rats this big.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Okay, hold up, hold up, Wait, wait.
Okay, hold up, hold up.
Is this so, ernesto?
Is this where that I need tocare for?
Ernesto kind of come from?
No, I just love animals.
I know this is an inside, totalinside thing, but no, okay, all
right, I'm going to stopinterrupting you, keep going.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
No, those rats stole my food.
I watched them steal dog bonesand those rats could stand up on
their back legs and run like ahuman being on their back legs
yes, I have a video of it too.
Yes, I had to delete my googledrive because it has all of

(25:59):
these pictures and videos frommy crazy life off of my phone.
But randomly for school they'llsend something and with like
google docs, and I'm forced tosee my google drive and I saw a
video and it's like hey, do youremember this day three years
ago?
I mean my crappy life googleyeah, there's a rat with a dog

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bone running across thewarehouse.
Yes, yes, yes yes wow but so I'mliving in this warehouse with
this man.
I'm watching him um part a parta truck.
Do you know what I mean when Isay he's parting out a truck?

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Um, I don't know, um, maybethere's some A truck was
acquired by not myself, and Idon't think he paid for the
truck.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Oh, and he was selling parts for, oh God it was
, it was a chop shop.
No, we're running a chop shop.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, got you.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Okay, got it, got it Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Not my business.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I was just present, got you I was ready to be done.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, entrepreneur, I guess, yeah, um, but at that
point you know I was, I wasready to be done anytime.
I would you know, like get high, I wouldn't get high anymore.
I would you know, like get high, I wouldn't get high anymore.
I would be sad and I would logonto social media and I would
see some people that had gottentheir life together and they
were they had food and money andshowers and I didn't have food

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and I didn't have money and Ididn't have showers and I
couldn't wash my clothes.
We would catch rainwater andthen use a propane tank to heat
the rainwater up and siphon thewater out of the gallon.
It was like a 350-gallonfertilizer tank that would hold

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the rainwater and then we wouldheat it up and siphon the water
out of that, and that's how wetake a shower wow but just
simple basic life necessitiesthat I didn't have, that I just
I wanted, I wanted it back, andbut I didn't have a way out
until one day I realized Ihadn't started my period and I

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was like I think I'm pregnant,so went to Dollar Tree.
I had enough money, I guess,for a dollar pregnancy test and
that thing lit up so fast I waspregnant and enter Scarlett into
the picture.
How old is she?

Speaker 1 (28:49):
She's six now Six that girl fits fast.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Yeah, she is the reason for everything.
But all I had to do was make aphone call to my mother and
everything you know got betterfrom there.
Her dad did not get better, Iwill say I was fully prepared

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and I knew deep down inside thatI would be raising this child
by myself, because not manypeople can do what I did.
Again, people view addiction asa disease, not a choice.
Dependency, like your bodybeing dependent on a substance,
is not a choice that you make.
It becomes something like, youknow, an alcoholic.

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They have to detox becausetheir body depends on it.
But I woke up and I made thechoice to be where I was and to
be in the hell that I was in,and then I just decided I didn't
want to do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I called my mom.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
My stepmom.
She smoked most of her life.
She's gone now.
She passed away, but I rememberI was around 10 and we're
driving down the road and youmay have grew up with smokers in
the car, where they just smokeand you're in the car and it
doesn't matter yeah it's, andshe.

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She looked back and she said youknow what?
She used to call me Jolie,because my middle name is Lee,
but they call me Jolie.
A lot, of, a lot of the oldschool people that know me call
me Jolie.
She said I'm going to quitsmoking.
She rolls down the window andshe throws out two packs of
cigarettes and she never boughtanother one or never smoked

(30:37):
again, ever.
See Good on her.
I still remember that to thisday.
I was like wow.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
That's crazy.
It's amazing to just be likeyou know, this isn't what I want
anymore and then to just stickwith it, where 99% of the
population is like, oh, I needhelp, oh I need a program, oh, I
need another drug to get me offof this drug.
It's truly just an iron will.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, and I think I will say see, I've never had to
deal with addiction in the formof substance abuse or something
like that.
There was a part in my lifewhere I did drink more than I
should have, but I mean comingoff alcohol, you can.
That's a little different thandrinking on the weekends to.

(31:29):
You know, somebody drinks 24-7,all day, every day, but I've
never had to kind of do or gothrough what you're talking
about.
But I do see two profiles ofpeople there the ones like
yourself.
They're like you know what I'm.
Just this is rock bottom.
This is crazy.
I don't even have water for ashower.
I mean, what am I doing?

(31:51):
You know I'm the change.
And then I see the other profile, right and of the person that
does get wrapped up in thementality of you know, this
thing has me.
And then I've met people withsubstance abuse issues who just

(32:16):
say you know what I'd do itbecause I love it, it's awesome.
They're usually the ones thatare still being kind of enabled
and have everything.
They're not living in awarehouse.
They're usually the ones thatare still being kind of enabled
and have everything.
They're not living in awarehouse, but, um, there's just
so much complexity to it.
So to have that, to have thatiron wheel, like you said,
that's you know that I could seewhere, in situations like this,

(32:40):
that would, that would be aplus yeah, no, you're.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I mean, yeah, you're right and I there.
There are people from my pastwho will like find me on social
media, for example.
I actually I got a messageyesterday from somebody and I
don't speak to any of thesepeople anymore because when you
decide that you don't wantsomething for yourself, you
can't dwell like one foot in andthen one foot out you have to

(33:06):
be completely out, but I stillget messages from people from
the past.
I'm like oh, I just did 14months.
I'm out and I'm like welcomehome.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You know, it's like the 10th time emoji got it,
buddy yeah, yeah, thanks forletting me know, yeah, I, I also
it's so good that you'resharing this, because I think
for any listeners that may haveor have family members going
through this to hear this kindof perspective of hey, if you're

(33:36):
serious about this, or if yourfamily member is serious about
this, you've got to change yourenvironment, not just your
mindset, but your physicalenvironment, the people you're
around.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
The times and days you go places.
Yeah, yeah, right, it's notlike I just decided I'm not
going to do this anymore andlife was good.
No, I suffered, I cried, I wasalone, I had no friends.
I was pregnant.
I lived in an extended state bymyself.
I didn't have anyone check onme, I didn't have the maternity

(34:12):
photo shoot.
I didn't have the glamorous,amazing pregnancy that all women
wish they had.
Attend any of the doctor'svisits.
My mother did.
My mother held my hand when wefound out that it was a girl.

(34:33):
My mother has always been therefor me, but yeah, no, deciding
to change my life was very, veryhard emotionally, and you know
that's how I found jujitsu.
I I decided to join a gymcalled Lifetime Fitness in
Woodstock and I got involved ina boxing class and I met some

(34:58):
old man with no hair and a longbeard and he was covered in
tattoos and he had the strongestcountry accent I've ever met.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yes, he does.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I'm Chuck Mason.
Did he just walk up to you Did?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
he just walk up to you.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yeah, he was my boxing partner.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Oh, got it, got it, got it Okay.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Yeah, and we would, you know, box.
He would hold mitts and I wouldhit and he'd be like you strong
, I'm like okay.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I can hear him now.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Oh yeah, what did?
They call him uncle chuck,right, that's what that's, uncle
chuck.
Yeah, yeah, but I I call him mydad yeah, I can't wait to hear
this.
Yeah, uh and he would always.
You know, I bring scarlet and Ilike batman and robin.
Anybody who knows me knows thatScarlett's attached to my hip
and she comes along everywhere.
She was always with me atboxing and Chuck would always be

(35:53):
like where's that beautifulbaby?
And I'm like she's right here.
He's like you need to dojujitsu, like Theo Vaughn, I'm
like Brazilian.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Brazilian jujitsu.
I thought that was a dog.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I thought it was a dog, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Every time it comes up on my feed.
I watch that because it's justso funny, Because it's true.
I never thought about it.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
I don't even know what that was.
I don't know what BrazilianJiu-Jitsu was.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I actually have Chuck .
I got to reach out to himbecause I'm going to have him on
.
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
You need to.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's happening.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
So many amazing stories.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I cannot wait.
Everybody's been telling medeep in his blood.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Brother, his, his children, his nieces, I believe
his family member.
His brother might have beenburied in his gi, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
No, I think he was talking to me about that one day
at roswell and, yeah, there'sso many ideas that I want to
talk to him about, so, anyway,continue, sorry, the alliance
symbol is on his tombstonereally that is so cool, unless
I'm making it up in my head, Idon't know, sometimes my brain
does that I would totally dothat that that's cool.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yeah, he was like come try this jujitsu.
And so I went jujitsu-ing and Iwas like, oh my God, this looks
terrifying Because people aregrunting and sweating and
throwing themselves at otherpeople all over the night and I
was like I have suffered so muchabuse in my life.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, do I really want some guy like straddled my
chest right now?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
yeah, well that, but I mean I was, I was afraid for
them.
So I think that's everybodyknows why now.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, I think everybody knows why now.
Yeah, I think everybody knowswhy now yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, I mean, it's like Chuck brought in this
innocent looking woman with ababy and now you're about to
teach her how to kill people.
And I mean, I was intimidated,but when I decide I want to do

(38:11):
something, I'm going to do it,and I learned and I fell in love
.
I couldn't stop.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
When I think I asked you this last time.
When did you realize?
Holy crap, I'm actually prettygood at this.
This kind of fits me.
When did you start realizingthat?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
fits me.
When did you start realizingthat?
Um, when I was in the beginnersclass it wasn't even
intermediate, it was beginnersclass and yusef and um, oh my
gosh, my mind is austin.
Austin was a teacher back then.
I don't believe you know Austin.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
He's an amazing instructor, yeah, and they were
teaching and they would justteach a technique, and then
they're like monkey, see, monkeydo, and so I would do.
And they were like amazing, youdid that, amazing.
And I'm like what really?
And I would notice that thepeople that I was you know,
whoever I was partnered with thetechnique I'm not trying to be

(39:10):
insulting, but wasn'tnecessarily on point or I would
catch on to things faster andthen when I would roll, I would
do really well.
And I remember a reallydefining moment for me is when
Jacare came in and I was eithera blue belt or a white belt, I'm

(39:33):
not sure, but he came in and hetaught a class and he divided
the room up between men andwomen and he does that.
I guess, from what I am told,he has women wrong with women
and the men with men.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I heard that too.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Victoria and I, we were just dominating all the
women and Jacare stopped theclass and said something to Leo
and just came up and grabbed meand Victoria and he walked us
over to the men's side and I waslike, okay, all right, I
understand, all right, Iunderstand, and I um, yeah, I I

(40:16):
begged, leo, you know, please,can I compete, can I compete,
can I compete?
And he's like, oh, let's justwait a little bit.
And then finally comes the daythat I can compete and I lost
why so frustrating?
it was.
It's such a build-up right sameway.
Yeah, yeah, I think I lost myyeah I thought I was such a
badass.
I walked in there like, yeah,I'm gonna win all this, I'm

(40:37):
gonna crush these women.
And I walked in there and I gotfucking triangled and you did,
so you got submitted yeah, yes,wow, okay, don't make me a loser
.
Yeah, I'm supposed to lose it.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I let everyone in the world down, yeah all of
humanity is gonna die that's ityou suck.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Turn in your stripes and belt I quit yeah, is it,
you're fired yeah, yeah, but no,I just, I was like that will
never fucking happen again andit hasn't that's the birth right
there.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
That's the explosion of bad jackie right right there,
like, okay, I'm taking noprisoners, right I well, the
girl that triangled me was aprisoner in my brain.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
She lived rent-free in my head until the very next
time.
But I was like I am gonna getthat girl, and I did.
I armbarred her and, uh, leotold me he was hog hunting at
this, this tournament, thisatlanta open.
He wasn't there, but he, hecalled me on.

(41:45):
Um, I think it was wait aminute.
Did you say hawk hunting?

Speaker 1 (41:50):
he was hunting hogs.
Where was he doing this?
At?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
what with chuck chuck chuck, mason and leo went hog
hunting on that oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, somebody had to get him into that.
There's nothing.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
He didn't wake up and say I'm going to hunt pigs no,
it like hey, if you win this,I'll give you your blue belt.
I was like say game on so I waslike, hey, you remember me, I'm
coming for you.
And I did, I got her, and thenI got the next one and I got my
blue belt that's cool how longwere you a white belt?

(42:27):
So I started technically in2020 at the beginning, and then
the gym shut down because ofCOVID.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Uh-oh, so Alliance is the only place you've trained
right, yeah, and I, yes, and Iwill not train anywhere else
ever.
I don't want to, ever either,you don't.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah, no, you don't want to ever either.
You don't?
Yeah, no, you don't.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Once you're there, you're just like yeah, where
else can you go?

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Well, I mean, there's other gyms that do have good
instructors or whatever, but asa female, I have different
experiences.
I have different experiencesand a lot of other places have
creeps that run their academiesand I really love my academy

(43:19):
because it's not full of creepsand also I have the best
instructor professor thatsomebody could ever want.
He doesn't just teach me how todo jujitsu, leo teaches me how
to be a champion and leo knowsI'm crazy, so he helps feed into
that and teaches me how to be aruthless competitor.

(43:43):
He's, he explains the rules andthen he's like and this is how
you can sort of bend the rules.
For example, a choke isn'tnecessarily around the throat,
it can be right under the nosewho taught you the arm bar where
you trap.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I don't know if you're even going to remember,
but there's somehow.
You trap their arm with theirsleeve behind their arm and it
locks like one side of theirbody so they can't like throw
your legs out.
You know I'll have to send itto you.
You.
You posted it, but I was likeholy crap, I never thought about
trapping that arm oh when doyou know what I'm talking?

Speaker 3 (44:18):
about and I grabbed the arm and I scooped their leg
and then hold on to their arm.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I think so, I think so leo taught me that yeah, yeah
, it had to be, because I waswatching and I was like, oh my
God, every time they grab my legand hold it off, but if I just
trap it I don't have to worryabout that.
So, like, armbar is your thing.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
That's private lessons with Leo.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
That's your specialty is armbar.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
Armbars.
Yeah, I mean I do love a goodarm bar and I love a good choke,
but really I'm a submissionfighter.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
I don't enjoy doing math.
It's whatever comes up, man.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yes, yes, and I know what I'm good at and I'm really
good at ripping people's armsoff, so it's just what you see.
But I mean, at this last WorldMaster Championship, my
submissions were bow and arrow,choke arm bar and an arm
triangle.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, you had a wrist lock too right, or something
like that right, I had it.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And Leo always tells me he he's like, okay, I think
he tries to like, make me have aheart when I'm competing,
because I can be reallyheartless.
And he tries to tell me like,jacqueline, I promise you will
feel bad if you seriously injuresomebody, and I'm like, no, I
won't.

(45:47):
I won't feel bad if youseriously injure somebody and
I'm like, no, I won't, I won'tfeel bad at all, like we're all
here to hurt each other,especially in a competition.
I'm out here to get submissionsand so is everybody else.
I know no one would have mercyon me.
So for that girl, yes, I wristlocked her and I made her wrist
touch the back of her arm.
And everybody in the backgroundis going, oh, my god, no, she

(46:11):
didn't tap.
Oh, she was one of thoseflexible people well or was she
just like I'm?

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I'm in worlds.
I notice, in worlds, peoplehold on a lot longer yeah, like
they'll pass out they'll,they'll let you pop something.
I mean I'm not going to letanybody do any of that.
Worlds are not, but I thinkit's because, like you, spend so
much time prepping, and I meannone of your matches in Worlds
this last time went over aminute right so they get in

(46:42):
these situations in a matter ofseconds and they're like what
All of that?
Like they know, know, like youknow you're not getting out of a
deep bow and arrow choke.
You know you're not getting outof a inverted deep arm bar.
Like you just know it's cominglike it you can't do anything
about it.
What I mean, that's what ourinstructors teach us that once

(47:02):
it's locked, it's just locked,there's no escape.
Because, yeah, our rodrigohe'll tell us, you know,
somebody will ask well, there'sno escape, because our Rodrigo,
he'll tell us, you know somebodywill ask well, what's the
escape for that submission?
You know, it's that you tap.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Don't get in it.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Well, he says you tap .
That's how you get out of it.
You tap.
Once it's locked in, you tap.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Well, she didn't tap and I could hear Leo's voice in
my head saying Jacqueline, havemercy for these people who have
jobs and children.
So I decided to quit rippingher appendages off and she
wasn't going to get out fromunder my mount anyways.
There were no points on me.
I was safe.
I could just ride her like apony the rest of the match, and

(47:40):
I did so.
That was me giving mercy andcompassion.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
So yeah, well.
So no one can say Bad Jackie'snot compassionate.
So before we talk a little bitmore about your Double Worlds
title, what would you say is thebiggest change you've seen in
yourself since starting jujitsu,both mentally and physically?

Speaker 3 (48:07):
That's really easy to answer.
Um, I love jujitsu so much andI give most of the credit to
jujitsu for keeping me sane andhappy that it's so important to

(48:27):
me that I live my life by askingmyself you know those, what
would you just do?
Bracelets.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Mine is like how will this help my jujitsu?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Oh God, we got to get those made.
We're getting those made, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
If I go eat this Burger King, how is this going
to help or hurt my jujitsu?
Okay, I will allow myself to,you know, share two bottles of
champagne once a week with myneighbor, but that's it, because
it will hurt my jujitsu.
If I'm out here, you knowdrinking all the time, so I
don't do that.
People that I hang out with, oh, how are they going to hurt or

(49:08):
help my jiu-jitsu?
Okay, I need to go to the gymbecause it's going to help my
jiu-jitsu, and that's really howI live a lot of my life.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
So like the BJJ lifestyle, right, that's a real
thing for you.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yes, it is Absolutely it is.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
It's not just a hashtag, right?
No, it's not just a hashtag,right no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
it really is a way of life, and I wish that I had
found jujitsu when I was younger, because I mean, it might have
prevented a lot of craziness.
But at the same time I wouldn'tbe who I am today with without
it, and I wouldn't have who's tosay, I wouldn't have the people

(49:50):
that I have in my life today.
You know, I don't know, but I'mthankful that I have it because
it is a lifestyle and it keepsme in line.
And then the physical changesthat I've seen in my body, like
I'm ripped and I was alwaysreally strong, but this is

(50:12):
different.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's a different mood , right?
Yeah, and that's what I tellpeople 225 pounds.
Nice, nice.
You know what the thing is.
People don't understand thisthing called jujitsu abs, but
they're real Like, listen, Ihave never had abs my end well,
maybe that's not true, but Ithink in my early military

(50:34):
career.
But man, when I started doingjujitsu, like the muscle tone
came that I never had.
Uh, but, but this was back whenI was training like eight, nine
hours a week too.
Um, I mean, it does.
It gives you a different, likejust body style and your neck
gets thicker.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I feel like I look like one of those pit bulls that
they train with those chainslike a pity.
Yeah, my neck has gottenthicker because people try to
choke you all the time, all thetime no, yeah, you're not
choking my neck, yeah it's likemy grip Gosh.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It reminds me the other day what's wrong with
Rodrigo Dude.
Lets me put him in across-collar choke deep as
possible, and literally justsits there.
I'm like full on curving thewrist and he's just sitting
there looking at me.
I'm like God, it's because ofhis neck, his neck strain, and
he was only blocking it with themuscles in his neck.
It was insane, Whatever.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Well, I mean Rodrigo won the grip strength contest at
World.
Master, yeah, 188 pounds with asqueezing, I believe you.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Have you ever trained with him, rodrigo?

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, yeah, he used to be an instructor at
headquarters before he startedhis school at Roswell.
I mean, yeah, he's, Rodrigo'slike a pit bull.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
He is.
I mean, he is just the masterof pain if he wants to be right.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Pain master, he's the pain master.
But he laughs when he does itoh, oh.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
So he does that.
Yeah, he.
He's laughing and smiling thewhole time, the whole time.
But you know what I do?
I talk trash to him the wholetime, the whole time he's.
He's like choking me halfwayout, unconscious and then I'm
out and it's the way I feel,like I've won a little bit of it

(52:30):
, not really.
If you're going to take it,check me out, go out with a bang
buddy, taking a few with me.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
So let's talk a little bit about, specifically,
the IBJJF Master WorldChampionship titles.
Okay, what I don't want, youknow what I'm just going to keep
.
I'm going to keep this questionreal simple how does it feel to
win Master Worlds not once, buttwice and back to back?

(53:03):
Right?
Are these back to back, or wasthere a year between?

Speaker 3 (53:06):
No, they're back to back.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Back to back.
Okay, go.
How does it feel?

Speaker 3 (53:10):
so it feels amazing and but more than anything, I'm
humble and I'm grateful.
So the first one, when I won asa blue belt, I I knew I was
gonna.
I mean, I don't know, I justknew I was submitting everybody.

(53:31):
When I was competing at BlueBelt I was always getting double
gold and my matches were allreally quick.
So I fully was prepared to winand I don't care if that sounds
cocky, because that's the kindof attitude you have to have
when you compete your mindset isthe most important thing?

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Not at all 100%.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Leo teaches that.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I know Leo teaches that and preaches that, so it
makes sense yeah he does.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
And I remember he told me he's like if you want to
be a winner, jacqueline, youhave to go out there knowing
that you deserve to win morethan anybody else out there, and
with my story and all thethings you know, just like
Daenerys Targaryen, that I havehad to overcome, I mean given,
yes, I put myself in thatposition, but I overcame all of
those things, those obstacles,and by myself I'm I've already

(54:22):
done more than these people.
And then I train and I go toschool, school, and I raise a
child by myself.
There's no reason why I am notgonna win, and that's what I
tell myself.
So at blue belt I was like I'mgonna win this, and I did.
And they always say slow down,I I have to have some time so I

(54:44):
can come sit and watch yourmatch.
Quit, quit winning so fast.
And I cried when he gave me mypurple belt on the podium
because my dream, my, my firstgoal when I started jiu-jitsu
was to be a world champion.
And then I accomplished it.
And then all the flooding ofemotions, of everything that I
had been through, came backright there on the podium.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, I think I saw that.
I saw the post that you did onthat.
You girl, you, you ugly cried,you straight, broke down.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
I could imagine it was the first really big thing
that I had done for myself,besides getting accepted into
nursing school and besidesgetting my criminal record wiped
clean.
That was the first.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
And quitting drugs and overcoming homelessness and
getting out of jail.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, yeah, ten times yeah.
So it was.
It meant a lot to me.
That blue belt title meant alot to me.
And then when I got my purplebelt IDJJF wouldn't let me
compete.
They're like, no, you got yourpurple belt.
Ibjjf wouldn't let me compete.
They're like, no, you got yourpurple belt too fast, you can't
compete.
Uh, fuck you really so yeah, butif you're an adult and you win

(55:55):
a world championship, you'reallowed to level up, but that
doesn't apply to masterscompetitors.
I don't know why ibjjf is so oh, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I did not know that so.
So how did you compete the nextyear?

Speaker 3 (56:11):
well, I wasn't a blue belt for two years and there's
a two-year mandatory sentencewaiting period for blue belts
and, um, I had gotten it four orfive months, just shy of two
years.
So I was allowed to compete asa purple belt this year got it
okay I was only able to competeonce before this world

(56:36):
championship because of nursingschool and my clinicals, um I I
had clinicals on saturdays andstuff, so I was always really
super busy.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, and all the opens are on Saturdays and
Sundays.
Yeah, yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
So this year, when I went to compete for my world
title, I didn't have anyexpectations of myself.
You know, I I I set realisticgoals for myself and I wouldn't
say it's unrealistic to be likeI'm going to go in here and win,
only being a purple belt for 11months.
But I did, but that wasn't.

(57:15):
You know, that wasn't my goaland I didn't expect it.
So when it happened, I was just, I prayed on the mat.
You can see it if you look atmy Instagram how happy I was.
And then I put my head on themat and I was praying to God and
Victoria and I were likeJacqueline, jacqueline,
jacqueline.
But I was so deep in prayerthat I didn't hear anything and

(57:38):
I was just thanking God for allthe blessings that he's given me
and rewarding me, becauseanytime something really good
happens to me, I feel like Godis rewarding me.
Because anytime somethingreally good happens to me, I
feel like God is rewarding mefor all the things that I have
done to be what he wants me tobe.
And so that's how it felt forme to become a brown belt.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Well, I'm glad God wants you doing jiu-jitsu,
because your matches arephenomenal to watch, Thank you.
So you know, not sure I'll makethe pearly gates, but if I do
I'm going to high-five him forthat for sure.
Hey, you got it right there,god, good career move.
Good career move.
You got it right with badJackie.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I think I would be disappointed if I got to heaven
and there were no Jiu-Jitsuacademies.
I think they're going to be, Ithink there should be.
I mean, he's got to havethought about that, right.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Well, I think he says that we're all going to be, you
know, praising him.
So if Jiu-Jitsu academies bringglory, to God.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I'm sure they'll be there.
He's got to toriandas arebrutal.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
They are I drive my shoulder right into the
diaphragm I know, I know, I um I.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
It took me forever.
I was.
I was first learning toriandopass as a white belt.
I kept driving my shoulder intothe ground.
It was killing me.
I was like I think I just brokemy shoulder.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Yeah, dislocate it for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, and they would just roll up and take my back.
It was embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Oh, no, no, you have to hit them right in the
diaphragm, so that they lose alltheir breath.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
I'm not a heavy guy, but I guess you could just kind
of missile in there, right, justmissile in there right, this is
a combat sport.
No, no, no, no.
I mean, I'm just like literallylight.
I only weigh 188.
And then, like most of the guysat Roswell location are giants,
so I could like jump up anddown on Rodrigo and it wouldn't

(59:52):
matter, right?
So my little shoulder tap, mylittle shoulder bump on his
chest is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
That's why you have to just like fall down when you
do it.
Yeah, just dead weight yeah,that's what it's supposed to be.
You're not supposed to do itgently, you're supposed to like
but you know, be good to yourtraining partners because
they're the ones that show up,and that's right.
Let you beat them up, becausewithout my training partners,
you know be good to yourtraining partners, because
they're the ones that show upand let you beat them up,
because without my trainingpartners, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Are you good, are you kind to your training partners?
I think there's some daysyou're probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
I am kind.
90% of the time I haveaccidentally hurt a training
partner.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Oh, without a doubt I could have told you that, but
it wasn't intentional.
I was rolling with Laura.
Sorry, laura accidentally hurta training partner.
Oh, without a doubt I couldhave told you that, like, but it
wasn't intentional.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
I was rolling with laura she's sorry, laura, she's
one of our blue belts and I hadher in my clothes guard and I
trapped her arm.
I didn't crank it, but maybe Idid towards the end.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I don't know, but I hurt her arm and it wasn't
intentional well, sometimes youjust get caught in the momentum
too, especially with camorras,right I mean, sometimes like you
.
Just I mean you're moving,you're moving fast, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
So I mean yeah accidents happen yeah yeah, I
can remember the times that I'vehurt people and I don't ever
want to intentionally hurt mytraining partners and I can't be
as fast and a lot of people areafraid to roll with me.
A lot of the women will be like, okay, please don't hurt me,
and I'm like what, I'm not gonnahurt you are you the mat

(01:01:38):
enforcer for no, for the, foralliance uh headquarters.
No, no, no, I'm not you're notthe man enforcer okay no, and I
don't want to be yeah no, but Iwill say that if leo ever looks
at you and then points tosomeone else and makes the

(01:01:59):
cutthroat sign, that usually isa good indicator.
He wants you to roll with thatperson and humble them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Ah, I could see that.
I heard stories about him whenhe first got to Alliance, like
from Brazil, like he was justtearing people up.
Like he was just tearing peopleup, like he was hurting people.
Rodrigo was telling me like,yeah, if you roll with Leo and
you act stupid, he will hurt you.

(01:02:24):
He will.
He will hurt you, like ifyou're spazzing out on him or
trying to go super, super hardand well, not just on him, on
anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I look at our academy .
It's like I know this soundsreally probably kind of stupid,
but we're like a den of I don'tknow wolves lions eagles I don't
know if eagles like rip eachother's throat out oh, eagles
are vicious girl.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
You just don't know they'd be tearing each other up
and other animals.
They're pretty vicious.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
But I'm just like Leo is the head wolf or lion or
whatever.
Yeah, and we're all his littlelike wolf cubs or whatever, and
he's teaching us how to, youknow, kill, and if he sees
anyone hurt any of his otherwolves, he'll go out there and
fuck them up.
Oh, yeah, yeah, Without a doubt, and that includes the siblings

(01:03:19):
, like if you have a badtraining partner and they're
being rough on you on purpose.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
Leo's gonna call you out and be like, come roll with
me yeah and he'll humble youfast I was I don't ever want to
roll with him, not even for funyeah, I've rolled with him three
times at his seminars and Ihe's so nice about it and I
tried this.
I tried the sao paulo pass onhim.
Like me, do it on him during arole.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
Yeah he choked me.
I tried to do his move on himand he started.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
He started laughing and choked me cross collar
choked me, um but I, like youknow, he came on the show and I
was super grateful.
I, I mean leo uh nogara.
For the listeners, that's whowe're talking about.
Multi-time world champion, bjj,legend icon.
I wouldn't doubt if he doesn'tend up in the hall of fame.

(01:04:12):
I mean, in my mind he is.
He was one of the first peoplethat I started watching when I
was at Iron Wolf, like when Iwould find videos and stuff like
that.
I had no clue who he was.
And then I started training atAlliance and I started the same
thing.
I started rolling with Rodrigoand I tried the Sao Paulo Pass

(01:04:34):
on Rodrigo and he recognizedwhat it was and you know, he's
been training with Leo forever.
And he starts laughing and Itold him yeah, I learned this
from this guy named Leo Nugira,nugira, nugira.
And he starts laughing.
He's like I know him, he's myfriend.
I was like what do you mean?
He's your friend.
He's like, yeah, down the road.

(01:04:54):
I you mean he's your friend.
He's like, yeah, he down theroad.
I was like what?
and that's when I startedlearning about, you know, leo
shakare uh fabio and um oh likemarcus tanoko and bernardo faera
and like really understandingwhat alliance was from a you

(01:05:16):
know, uh, somebody's a lowerbelt, still kind of a lower belt
I mean I guess blue belt'sstill a lower belt but uh, to
have access to champions andmulti-time champions and these
amazing black belts andeverybody, as you say, in the
den or the pack is alwayswilling to share their knowledge

(01:05:37):
and it's, I think, that's whatmakes us such a good academy and
good school and jujitsu teamacross the globe.
Is that mentality of theprofessors passed down.
I hope all alliances, everyonethat goes to an alliance academy
, has some of our sameexperiences and positive things

(01:05:59):
to say that somebody lets usknow if there's not, but I'll
tell you it's.
Uh, that's actually.
I don't have a point other thanjust saying I love our den, our
pack they're like a, they'relike my family and scarletlett.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
she's been going there with me since she was one
or two and she went there indiapers during her potty
training stage, when shecouldn't talk, when she was
still learning how to walk, whenshe lost her first tooth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
She's so going to train jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Well, I had to make her toughen up a little bit.
She's a crybaby, she's reallysensitive.
She's a sensitive girl.
She's six, right yeah.
But I'm telling you there areother six-year-old little girls
out there that are like Ooh,some, I've seen some bad ones
like nail polish lipstick,cartwheels do you know matt's uh

(01:07:02):
daughter?

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
I think her name is aria, do you?
Victoria comes down and trainsher.
Have you ever seen her?
Do you, do you?

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
know who she.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
I've seen the videos that girl is crazy good, like
Like oh, my God, All right, sowe are over an hour here, so
we're going to get to a couplemore questions and we're going
to wrap this thing up becauseI've got two and a half more
hours of training and I toldRodrigo I'd help him with kids
class.
So for people who are listeningto this and are going through

(01:07:34):
tough times and I know a lot oftimes we look at our personal
lives and we measure tough timeson a barometer of how bad
somebody else went throughsomething, but just anything
that they deem as a tough timewhat advice would you give them
to help them find their way out,whether it be drug addiction,

(01:07:56):
abuse, anything like that kindof like you did?
What would you say to them?

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
I would tell that person to have faith in yourself
.
Yes, to have faith in God.
Of course that's always a given.
But a lot of people who aregoing through a hard time lose
faith in themselves and they'relike like, oh, I can't do this,
this, I'm not good enough forthis.
No, you are.
Have faith in yourself, loveyourself, be good to yourself.

(01:08:28):
Don't just get in the bed and,you know, say, oh, I just don't
have the energy.
Go to jujitsu happy.
Go to jujitsu sad.
Go to jujitsu tired.
Go to jujitsu mad.
Oh my god, I sound like a.
What's that guy?
Red foot, right foot, greenfoot, dr seuss oh, I love this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Go to jujitsu.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Yes, there should be a face in yourselfpe yourself up
off the floor, use whateverenergy that you have left and
know that you're worth it, anddon't ever stop believing in
yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Man, I almost wish we could end on that, but that's
amazing.
I, you know, I think that forthose listeners caffeinated
jujitsu.
You know I started the podcastto focus on those who had, you
know, new interest in jujitsu.
A lot of the emails I get arefrom people who have been

(01:09:26):
practicing, you know, a year,two years, and then I get some
10, 15, 20, all their life and,um, what I love is that, the
listenership.
I don't know if that's a word,but the listeners of the podcast
.
They're just like the jujitsucommunities in our gym and

(01:09:48):
they're made up of everybody,all walks of life, all levels of
experience, and in the endwe're all going through a lot of
the same things, right?
No, we may not be going throughdrug addictions and things like
that, but I'm sitting herebefore we got on the phone,
thinking about the exhaustingrest of the day that I have here
at work and then life and justall these different types of

(01:10:08):
troubles and stresses, and tohear how jujitsu has really at
least in my mind or myinterpretation has been a
therapeutic tool for you.
You got out of addictionbecause you had the will.
You picked yourself up by yourbootstrap, so to speak.
You got out of it, but to me,sitting on this side of the mic,

(01:10:31):
it sounds like jiu-jitsu has atleast played a small part, if
not a big part, in youmaintaining your success and
your sobriety and moving forwardand your positivity and just
having a good life oh yeah,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
But you know I have absolutely no desire to.
When I think about my past Iactually get anxiety.
In a sense I'm ashamed that Iever did that to myself, because
it's not self-love at all.
And I have no desire to everreturn to any thing that

(01:11:19):
resembles the old me.
It's a very scary thought.
I'm not at risk forever goingin that direction again.
I have too much to lose now,whereas when I lived like that I
had nothing to lose, I didn'tcare.
But now I have a reason to care.
But yeah, you're right,jiu-jitsu has done a lot for me

(01:11:45):
in more aspects than I probablyeven realize.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Yeah, it's amazing.
I love hearing people say thatyou know how, just jiu-jitsu.
I've never heard someone sayyou're you know how just jujitsu
.
I've never heard someone sayyou know what I like jujitsu,
but hasn't really done anythingfor my life outside of make me
sweat and get me in shape.
I mean it does that, butthere's so much deeper streams

(01:12:09):
of benefits that jujitsu bringsor kind of flows through us.
It's amazing, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Yeah, it is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
So let's the last thing I want us to talk about,
and then we'll get on our way.
Thank you again.
This has been awesome, and I'mso glad we got to do this twice.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
It's been awesome for me to share it.
Yeah, I think this is better.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
But I think this was a better one, like I think it
was.
I mean it feels like even likemore in depth.
I'm kind of glad we had to redoit yeah, me too you just got
your brown belt and, oh my god,we're about to blow some minds
right now with this question.
You're a brown belt.

(01:12:52):
How long has it taken you toget your brown belt?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Four years.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Boom, you said four, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Four, Holy crap.
I'm telling you.
That has to be your record.
I've never heard of a four-yearbrown belt.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Well, I mean, I don't know, am I wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
I don't know the record, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
But I know that there's a man named we call him
Doc Chris.
He's an orthopedic surgeon.
His name is Chris Hasarofsky.
I don't think I said that right, but his grandparents were my
grandparents' generalpractitioners and when he was
doing his clinicals androtations and stuff at Grady,

(01:13:35):
mom helped counsel him to.
You know, stay, stick with it.
Because I know that he hit about of like.
I don't know if this is for me,but, um, he got his black belt
in five or six years because hejust said black belt yes, nice
and the guy is a murder machine.
Yeah, he's the only person thatI can think of.

(01:13:59):
That got you know through itfast.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
I'm glad Jiu Jitsu set up the way it is.
When it comes to progressionthrough the belts, you're
rewarded on consistency, skilland passion.
I think that's what I see.
Um, you don't have to be adouble master, world's champion,

(01:14:25):
to be a brown belt, blue belt,purple belt, black belt,
whatever you're going to getthere, um, but you, you do have
to be consistent in yourtraining.
You do have to know yourtechniques and be able to repeat

(01:14:46):
.
You're not going to not knowhow to escape, mount and make it
to black belt.
You have to demonstrate that,and that's also why I am in
favor of academies testing.
I'm huge on that, I'm big onthat.
That's just me.
And then, when it comes down to, I love the way Alliance does

(01:15:09):
competing and podium promotions.
Look if you've just beat, in aworld stage type event,
everybody in your bracket that'sit there.
Who else is there, right?
I mean, yeah, yes, sure there'ssomebody out there in some gym
somewhere in the united statesor country or globe that can,

(01:15:30):
that can beat you and him, youup right there in there yeah but
you know what they?
They didn't sign up for MasterWorlds.
They didn't go out there andput it all out on the world
stage, right, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
And let me confess something real fast I am still
in awe that I'm a brown belt andI think a lot of people will
own up to this if you ask themabout having imposter syndrome.
Yes, I did deserve and I didearn my brown belt.
But I want to stay here becausejujitsu is, it's not like

(01:16:05):
school.
You know, okay, in four yearsyou you've learned everything,
you took all the classes, youpassed, you're good to go.
It's not like that, jujitsu.
You never stop learning and younever stop mastering a
technique.
It's like you could.
I can watch someone do an armbar 10 times and each time I'll

(01:16:25):
be like oh, oh, oh, oh, okay,okay, more pressure here.
Oh, it could be tighter here.
You know it.
Just, it's a never endinglearning experience with ju.
So you know, with my brown belt.
I'm happy, I'd like to stayhere for a while and I just I'm
not in a rush to win anything Iwant to experience the brown

(01:16:51):
belt ride for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Yeah, and I think I would probably.
If I were in the exactsituation you were in, I would
probably feel the same way.
I don't think it's going okay,so let's do this.
What's next?
Are you going to Masters nextyear?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
If I get started to win.
I might throw the competitionand be like oh, I wonder what
it's gonna be like, though Iwonder if it's gonna.
Did you feel a difference inthe level of experience going
against the purple belts thanthan the blue belts the year
before?
Or because it didn't look likeit.
I went back and watched your,your matches from 2023 and it

(01:17:35):
was the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
It was the same exact time, yeah for them, because my
game people ask me.
I get a lot of messages.
They're like what is goingthrough your mind, what is your
game plan?
How do you prepare?
I?
purposely didn't ask that, ifyou notice, my mindset is kill
or be killed, because thisperson is slapped and bumping my

(01:17:57):
hand, acknowledging that youknow they're trying to hurt me.
Jiu-jitsu isn't ballet, youknow.
We're not seeing who dancesbetter, we're seeing who can
break someone apart the fastest.
So I'm my and my game style isI'm acting first, I am going to
impose my will on you, and youwill not have the opportunity to

(01:18:18):
do anything to me ever.
No one will ever hurt me again,and that can be, you know,
taken in a jujitsu sense or mypast life sense, but no one on
the mat is going to have theopportunity to get their game on
me, and so that's why I don'tfeel a difference in the
technique.
It's because I don't give themthe opportunity to let me feel

(01:18:39):
it.
But I'm sure that would change.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Yeah Well, miss Jacqueline Young, bad Jackie,
thank you so so much.
This has been amazing.
You and I have gotten to knoweach other a little more over
the past.
What three weeks, two weeks,three weeks?
This is a fast friendship man.
This is like just bump on, wegot it.

(01:19:03):
Um, yeah, yeah, we got to getcoffee again soon.
I cannot.
And next year, when you winyour third world title, you're
coming back on and talking aboutyou know, and you're also.
You still owe me some training.
But now, see, now I've got topay you for a private no you
don't.

(01:19:24):
Now I've got to pay you for aprivate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Because I've got to get that flying arm bar down.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
You can come do it for free, please.
No I will not accept money.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Well, I've got to do something because because I got
a tough bracket coming up andsomebody in headquarters is in
my bracket oh God, what is hisname?
He's a blue belt in Masters buthe's competing, so I know
there's a lot of blue belts upthere.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
It's okay, I know you , I'll cheer for you, but it's
my job.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Yeah, well, you may not because Leo may be right
beside you, so I want you tocheer for her.
That's okay.
We're all family, that's right.
That's right, all right.
Well, thank you again forcoming on.
For those of you who want toget in touch with Jackie, you
can reach her on Instagram atbadjackio Right, correct.

(01:20:16):
She's got a growing Instagramcommunity.
You can also be sure you followthe Caffeinated Jiu-Jitsu
Podcast, because she's going tobe back on next year with a
third world title.
You can connect with herthrough our IG community as well
.
She's always open forconversation.

(01:20:37):
Coffee and boiled eggs.
You had deviled eggs, right,right, what'd you have?
You had eggs with your coffee.
That was so cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
I was like holy cow, it was a protein packet that's
it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
I was like cool coffee and eggs, awesome, yeah.
Well, thank you and we'll thankyou.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
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