044: A Conversation About Charlie Kirk#1: Conspiracy Theories, Political Divide, and Mental Health

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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Uh do we want to wear headphones?

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Well, do we want to wearheadphones or no?
I'm wearing headphones.
You don't have to.
I want to.
Are these mine?

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You can use those.
Andy brought those.
He's probably gonna be mad thatyou're using them.
Not really.
He's not gonna be mad.

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It actually kind of matches the shirt too a little
bit.
Just with the white or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (00:17):
Stefan, they don't match.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
It's like an off-white to like avery bright white.

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Do you mind turning up the volume on my headphones
first?

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Yeah, let me see.
Do you know?
Can you see which ones?
Okay, I think it's four.
So here I'm gonna turn them upslowly as it's changing.

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That one's mine, yeah.
Alright, tell me when it's good.
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Oh, a little lower.
That one.

SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
Alright.
So obviously, everybody who'slistening, you can tell by the
title that we're gonna bediscussing the Charlie Kirk
situation.

SPEAKER_00 (00:50):
Yes, we are.

SPEAKER_01 (00:50):
We have the Min Majesty tea with two honeys from
Starbucks.

SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
Charlie Kirk's drink of choice.

SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
Uh in honor of him, not because we worship him.

SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Right.
In honor of him for what he didto help America out, we shall
sip.
It is really good though.
It is.
When I when I first heard aboutit, like it came through like a
Facebook reel where I was like,uh, these two like college kids
came up and they were like,Yeah.

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So aside from like the talks anddebates that you have, what do
you drink every day?
And he said like he had like afew mint majesty teas with two
honeys from Starbucks, likeevery day.
Because like that's how he'dwake up and it helps uh keep his
voice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34):
Well, bro must have been rich.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36):
Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
If you can buy Starbucks every day, I know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39):
I mean, I I bought it for like five days a week
once because I was just like,bro, this stuff's good, and I'm
like, I want to pay homage toCharlie Kirk, but um I'm gonna I
buy it every once in a whilenow.
Like if I feel like my throat'sa little raspy or whatever.
Last night we were playingFortnite, me, John, and Tori.
So we we were like screaming inthe house at each other just

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like because they have proximitychat now, so like it's called
Dulu.
And so you can use proximitychat, so we just scream in the
microphone whenever we get nearsomebody right away.
So my throat was like on fire.

SPEAKER_01 (02:14):
But your enemies can hear you?

SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Yeah, everybody, everybody can hear you.
You're not on a team either.
Like, so even though you're inthe same lobby, they separate
everybody.
A group of a hundred people,they separate everybody, and um
then you just kind of find yourpartners, you can link up with
whoever you want to, and then uhyou just you just pretty much
use prox chat, and everybody canhear you.

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So you're just screaming and themicrophone and my throat was on
fire.
John lost his voice last night.
He was doing like the hey man,like he was doing that.

SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
Losing your voice from Fortnite classic, but it
was fun.
I do want to get a PlayStationand Wi-Fi again, but man, if
things if things change or I Istart making more than I will,
but right now it's I mean, rightnow the only thing I could do is
like if my dad, since he's inFlorida, they they right now
sometimes use my PlayStation 4.

SPEAKER_00 (03:09):
Because I was like, I got the PlayStation 5, so I'm
like, I don't need thePlayStation 4 anymore, but it's
down in Florida currently.
I thought it was up here inMichigan before they went down,
but if they ever bring it backup and they don't want it
anymore, I'll just be like,here, have a PlayStation 4.
It's a play, it's a one terabyteslim.

SPEAKER_01 (03:25):
So I would be getting the five.

SPEAKER_00 (03:27):
Yeah, five is better.
I got the slim.
The slim is really good with thedisc reader, obviously.
Get the disc reader because it'sit's a pain in the butt to get a
disc reader.
It's like a hundred dollars ifyou don't get the disc reader
alone after tax.

SPEAKER_01 (03:42):
Oh, they make them pre-made?

SPEAKER_00 (03:43):
Yeah, they make them pre-made and then they make a
digital version and then theymake like just them separate.

SPEAKER_01 (03:49):
So is the digital one cheaper?

SPEAKER_00 (03:51):
I no, I think it's actually more expensive.
I think it's like 50 bucks more.

SPEAKER_01 (03:54):
You're telling me that the digital one without a
disc reader is more expensive.
I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:00):
I can look it up.
I can I want to say it is moreexpensive.

SPEAKER_01 (04:03):
That's crazy.
Why would they do that?

SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
Because I think the old fat one, like the original,
that one was uh actually cheaperthan the disc one at first.
Um Digital PS5 versus and thenwe can get back to Charlie Kirk.
It started off with Charlie Kirkand then Fortnite and
PlayStation.

SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
This is still the opener, the intro to the
episode.
You know, you don't have to jumpright in.
There's no rule.

SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
That's true, that is true.

SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
But we are about 30 minutes in, so are we really
seriously?
It's been like five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
Oh, never mind.
Okay, so the slim digitalversion is 500, the disc version
is 550.
So it's roughly the same as whatI thought it was, but I thought
also differently.

SPEAKER_01 (04:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (04:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (04:50):
Cool.
So on honestly, everything thatI've really learned about
Charlie Kirk has been the lastfew weeks.
Yeah.
Because I didn't really listento him prior.
I've I obviously knew who hewas, and I would see him on
things, some things like theJubilee things, and I'd see like
his shorts.
But I didn't really know himthat well.

(05:11):
Or know of him that well, Ishould say.

SPEAKER_00 (05:13):
He started his stuff in I believe 2018, and then he
just kept going from there.
So I've been following him since2020.
Um, the Charlie Kirk show, hisuh Instagram reels, his um big
time in the know.
Yeah, so I'm I I know a lotmore.
I'm not like the know-it-all ofCharlie Kirk, but I do know a

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good portion of stuff fromCharlie Kirk.
So I know more recent eventsother than the assassination,
was there was a South Parkepisode that they were making
fun of him, and they were I Idon't know what the all in all
is, but like some people assumethat South Park was trying to
make him upset because they dida parody of Trump and JD Vance

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on the show too recently, andthen there's some that are
saying they just did it forcomedy because usually South
Park does that with liketrending like videos or events,
they'll make like a mockery outof it.
Yeah, and Charlie Kirk was like,This is hilarious.
He goes, the fact that like I'vegotten to this point where I'm
like helping people and likepeople are getting upset with me

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and everything, like they'remaking a mockery of me, and it's
hilarious.
He goes, That it's Eric Cartmanthat's mocking me because
they're called they're calledmaster debaters.

SPEAKER_01 (06:27):
Yeah, oh well.
I saw that clip, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:29):
So of him watching it, and they haven't changed his
profile picture on TikTokeither.
I've been following him onTikTok for a while because
that's where I learned most ofhis stuff before.
Um, but yeah, he he had it wherehe was like, I'm gonna make this
my profile picture, and so hehas a picture of Eric Cartman
that looks like him, samehaircut, shirt, whatever, and

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it's forever on his TikTok page.
So I'm like, that's pretty cool.
And then I've been following hisuh well, Twitter X, if that's
what you want to call it,whatever you want to call it,
Twitter.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
I'm so sick of people, it's it's been X for
years now.
Why are people still confused?

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Like Well, it's not like I'm not confused with it,
it's just because I grew up,it's like with MySpace, you
know, kind of like that longago.

SPEAKER_01 (07:14):
Yeah, but you don't call Facebook MySpace.

SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
No, I don't call Facebook MySpace, but like we've
known Twitter, I've knownTwitter longer than most of
these people have known Twitter.
You know what I mean?
So like I just it because it'sstill got like the bird and
everything like that every nowand again, too, that you'll see.
So I just call it Twitter, but Iknow it's X.
I'm not like, oh, what's thatapp a gun called?
Like X, like some people do.

SPEAKER_01 (07:36):
I feel like people are just never gonna move on.

SPEAKER_00 (07:38):
No, I'm like, I'm okay with whatever.
I already know what you'retalking about.
If you say X, I'm like, oh,Twitter or X, you know, same
thing, it's the same app, it'sjust they put an X on it.
It's it's whatever.
But that's where I got most ofthe update from things, and X is
really informative of likeeverything.
It's weird because it's like theWikipedia of social media, but

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it also is like spitting factsthat you don't see on Facebook
or you don't see on Instagram,and you don't see on even news
channels happening.

SPEAKER_01 (08:07):
Yeah, it's not censored.

SPEAKER_00 (08:08):
Yeah, it's not censored.
So you see everything.
Like, that's where so onSeptember 10th, this was the
weird part too.
So on September 10th, wheneverything went down after like
the news just broke out, I wasat work when this happened.
Yeah, and I was and I was onbreak when I heard that Charlie
Kirk got shot, and I was like,holy crap, like what the heck
happened?
Like, did he get shot in thearm, leg, you know, head?

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Like, what the heck happened?
And not even like two secondslater, after I stepped outside
to look, and I went on TikTok tosee what like if there was news
or something about it, a videoshowed his like neck getting
like blown, and I'm like, Holycrap!

SPEAKER_01 (08:45):
Like, they're allowed like because TikTok's
usually like very censorship,like if there's anything like
very violent, it is weird thatthey allowed that to show
because usually Facebook is likeyou have to click on like uh the
eyeball thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
Well, see, and then sometimes uh TikTok will do that
too.
They'll they'll say, Hey, youknow, do you still want to watch
this or do you want to not?
But this just straight up showedit.

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
So I wonder if it was intentional.
Maybe they did it on purpose.

SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
I mean, if you look at too, like I know conspiracy
theory-wise, but even thoughit's been debunked now, is that
our government was part of JFK'sassassination.

SPEAKER_01 (09:26):
Wait, that's been debunked?

SPEAKER_00 (09:28):
Yeah, it's been debunked.

SPEAKER_01 (09:29):
I still, I still think they are.

SPEAKER_00 (09:31):
Yeah, it's they've been they already proven that
the government was part of JFK'sassassination.

SPEAKER_01 (09:35):
So so it's not debunked, it's been proven.

SPEAKER_00 (09:37):
Yeah, it's been proven.
I meant debunked as in like,yeah, they've already like
debunked it, like is in likethey've already solved it kind
of thing.

SPEAKER_01 (09:43):
Okay.
Yeah.
I was gonna say there's no waythe government was not involved
in that.

SPEAKER_00 (09:47):
Yeah, no, it has to be.
They 100% like just were like,yeah, no, we were part of that.
And then so that makes me thinktoo, even uh Mr.
Tucker, I forget his first name,but uh it's not Mr.

SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
Tucker.

SPEAKER_00 (10:00):
I don't know what his first name is.

SPEAKER_01 (10:02):
Tucker Carlson.

SPEAKER_00 (10:03):
Is it Tucker Carlson?

SPEAKER_01 (10:04):
Is that who you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 (10:05):
I think so.
Um, no, or somebody Tucker.
I I feel like the last name isTucker, but um he has his whole
documentary now about 9-11.

SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Now trying to Tucker Carlson.
If you look him up on yourphone, it has to be that guy.
Okay, so then yeah, because hejust came out with a documentary
about 9-11.

SPEAKER_00 (10:22):
Yeah, so it's like, okay, who's to say, like, I you
know, to be honest with you, Icould go 50-50 on that too,
whether that was partialgovernment and partial terrorist
attack, like actual terroristorganizations from another
country, you know?
And who's to say then, too, likethe MLK assassination, Malcolm
X, all these other speakers thatwere silenced for their voice?

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Charlie Kirk, Abraham Lincoln,it seems like anybody who is
trying to better their silence,but did you but then also too?
Here's the other part too aboutthe Charlie Kirk assassination.
Did you I don't know if you'veseen everything that's been
happening, but like the minutehe got like shot and he got
knocked down and they rushed himto like the hospital or
whatever, like nobody wasblocking the area where he got

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shot, none of his security,anything like that.
They weren't blocking it, andpeople were just taking the hats
from the the crime sceneessentially, and then they tore
it down, paved it over.
They didn't collect any otherevidence from like the ground or
anything.
I'm like that's weird that youguys are cleaning up.

SPEAKER_01 (11:24):
No caution tape, right?

SPEAKER_00 (11:25):
No caution tape, like and then there's now just
discovered that there's uhcamera footage, somebody
recorded on their phone thatthere is a camera behind Charlie
Kirk, like to get like differentPOVs of like the audience and
everything, and they just tookthat straight down the minute
that they rushed him into thecar.
I'm like, huh.

SPEAKER_01 (11:44):
Yeah, there's definitely more to the story,
but the theory that I don'tbelieve is that he went down
into a trapdoor.

SPEAKER_00 (11:50):
Yeah, that one is like no, like, yeah, sure, there
is a trapdoor there, but I'mlike, I highly doubt, especially
when it's like you see the bodybeing carried and you see him
being shot.

SPEAKER_01 (11:59):
Plus, Frank Turek, who is a Christian apologist,
was in the car with him.
Right.
And so if he is lying about it,then he's got a real bad
conversation with God when hedies.
Yeah.
So I don't think he would lie.
And then but then again, witheverything or everything, every
time it happens, like you justnever know about people.

SPEAKER_00 (12:19):
Right.
And then did you also see toothere's new conspiracy theories
about where Charlie Kirk gotshot?
Other than not the neck, but I'mtalking about like where the
bullet came from originally.
There's the one from thebuilding that they first were
spewing on about.
The uh it was like across like200 yards away from the like
that's the one that they'regoing with right now.
That's the one they're goingwith.

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But then if you look at like thecameras from like people's
phones and stuff and like otherlike professional like news
reports, whatever, whoever wasrecording, it looks like there's
a bullet from behind him.

SPEAKER_02 (12:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (12:54):
Because really, I don't know.
I feel like you wouldn't youwould have to be like
ex-military or ex-cop in orderto make a shot like that from
200 yards, with like outbasically like harming somebody
else at that point.
I feel like because if you'rejust gonna take out one guy at
that point, like because therewas one guy like right in front
of Charlie Kirk too asking himthe question.

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He was the last one to askCharlie Kirk a question, and
then Charlie Kirk's last wordswere like gang violence and uh
some other kind of violence, andthen that's when he was shot,
yeah.
So I'm like, that's weird.
I'm like, because I feel like ifyou're obviously you'd you would
have to have almost pinpointactually, because you don't know
if somebody's gonna move to theleft or right at that point, so

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yeah, you might have one target,but at the same time, it's like
how can you make that shot from200 yards?
And especially with TylerRobinson, the guy that they're
accusing right now, like I'm notsaying he couldn't have been a
part of it, but at the sametime, like from the background
story too, his parents wereconservative.
He he came from a conservativehousehold.
He's dating supposedly a transuh woman that's male to female,

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and Lance Twiggs.
Lance Twiggs, and then they havebullet engravings that were
found that were saying likefascist and everything else,
like that, to Charlie Kirk.
And so it's like this man hadplanned this for that long, like
so what then what made him turnto the left?
Do you know what I mean at thatpoint?
Like, like that doesn't makesense if he was raised in a

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conservative house.

SPEAKER_01 (14:24):
It's like Well, I have family members who were
raised in a conservativehousehold who are now liberal,
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
It happens, yeah.
But like at the same time, it'slike you're really gonna get to
that point of like violence toshoot a guy, and then his family
was right there in front of him,too.
His daughter ran up to him, likeshe got scared of the sound.

SPEAKER_01 (14:41):
I heard that the the wife and kids weren't actually
there, but now I'm here, I'mhearing like they were there,
all sorts of stuff now.

SPEAKER_00 (14:50):
They were there, there's video proof that they
were there.
There's people that just arelike they're getting different.
Obviously, there's a bunch ofphones there, you know what I
mean?
So, like, you're gonna getdifferent cameras uploaded and
different footage, whatever.
But no, they were there.
The daughter ran up to him, youknow, because she got scared of
the sound and obviously didn'trealize because she's so young

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that her father just died likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
So I don't think he I in a way, I don't think he
suffered.
I think as soon as it wentthrough, because at the the way
that the at least from what Iheard, there was no autopsy or
anything like that either.
But from at least the footagethat you can tell, and from what
doctors on TikTok have like atleast been able to like kind of
see, is that they hit a certainartery that like just cuts right

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through, and so it's like atthat point, you're just you have
like less than two seconds tolike react to it to try to like
prevent it from bleeding evenmore.
But by the time he probablyrealized it, it was like he was
gone, yeah.
So I he was gone in an instantas soon as like that was so much
blood that just came out, likehe's gone.

SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Yeah, but let's go back to this Tyler kid because
it is weird that he is theculprit, but there's also a lot
of other weird stuff, like abunch of cars going to his house
before it happened, not like theday before, but for months, and
then the text miss messagesbetween him and Lance.
Well, and even two, like why whosays squad car?

SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
Nobody, and that's the other that's what I wanted
to tell you too.
There's uh his friend CandaceOwens.
Um, she's actually right now,she's got information about this
whole thing.
She's actually seen the proof oflike what the FBI has shown her
and Erica.
Because Candace Owis is CandaceOwens has been friends with
Charlie for years.

SPEAKER_01 (16:36):
Yeah, but she's a little crazy sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 (16:38):
I would say she can be a hundred percent.
I'm not denying that.
I'm not saying she's a hundredpercent right.

SPEAKER_01 (16:43):
It's like the female version of Alex Jones, right?

SPEAKER_00 (16:45):
But the only other thing that I find curious too
that you can kind of tie in withthis, and then I'll get back to
where Candace Owens and Tyler uhrolls in.
Actually, I'll say it before.

SPEAKER_01 (16:55):
Well, you can take your time, we got time.

SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
So Candace was talking about Tyler, like she's
seen the text messages andeverything like that, and he
refers to like there, they werethe FBI and everybody were like
saying, like, yeah, he refers tolike a car as an automobile, and
it's like nobody in Americarefers to like a car as an
automobile.
They say, This is my car, thisis my classic car, this is my

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new car, you know.
And they had police footage whenhe got uh pulled over for
speeding.
Uh, like I think it was like theyear before.
He was like, Yeah, you know, Igotta wait for my mom to get
here or whatever, because she'sgot to tow it because I was
running out of gas andeverything, and um, yeah, she's
bringing her car.
Like he just says it likenormally, and then Candace is
like, so the FBI and and they'resaying like all these messages

(17:40):
and stuff, like he's sayingautomobile, like nobody calls it
an automobile.
But then or automotive.

SPEAKER_01 (17:46):
My question would be who would text that?

SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
You never know, because there's a lot of people
that could probably hack intopeople's phones and like change
stuff.
I mean, look at AI.
I don't know if you've seen themore recent AI too, but they're
able to like make things looklegit.

SPEAKER_01 (18:03):
Like yeah, I mean, I think I thought the shooting at
first was AI.
I mean, and then 15 minuteslater, I was like, wait a
minute, I should probably lookthis up, and then it's all over
the news that he got shot.
But so what would AI textingtexting him have to do with
anything?

SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Well, I mean, think about it, you could alter text
messages if I'm sure thegovernment definitely has some
capability of like being able togo through like if they wanted
to go through my phone right nowwithout me even acknowledging
it.
Stefan Luxembourg they probablyhave.
They probably have.
They know my search history.

SPEAKER_01 (18:35):
Knowing you, they've definitely they've definitely
checked your phone.

SPEAKER_00 (18:39):
Right.
Um, so I mean, like, what's tosay that they can't just go
through a text message and alterone word?
That's gonna not really make ahuge like standout.
Like, if you were to say, Heymom, how's it going?
I'm going to the store, and likeyou were obviously, hey mom, I'm
going to the gun store for this,blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Change it alternately.
It's like, no, here's theoriginal text, here's this text.

SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Yeah, but what would be the point of changing it?

SPEAKER_00 (19:01):
To make him look bad.
Because again, if it's like ifyou want if the government wants
to cover this up, like theyweren't part of it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:07):
So these texts are coming allegedly from Tyler's
phone to his boyfriend togirlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 (19:16):
Correct.

SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
Okay, so then maybe if they were using Chat GPT to
do it, then the AI would think,okay, I'm just gonna use
automobile.
Right.
Okay, that makes sense now.

SPEAKER_00 (19:26):
Yeah.
So she was bringing that up.
She goes, yeah, because likethat just doesn't make any sense
to me.
And she pulled up the logs andit shows like how he normally
speaks and everything like that,blah, blah, blah.
Um, but also too, with CandaceOwens, the one thing that I
still find slightly disturbingthroughout all of this, other
than the conspiracy that thegovernment did take out Charlie

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Kirk, is um Candace Owens rightnow is the only one that's
trying to fight for justice forCharlie.
What's Erica doing?
Not saying that Erica is notgrieving or anything, but Erica
hasn't come out too much sincethat whole memorial service at
the State Farm Auditorium andthe Charlie Kirk show she

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recently just did.
But she's like smiling, and Iunderstand people grieve diff
differently, but Candace Owenseems to be more upset than the
wife of Charlie Kirk.
So that is just a littleconcerning to me, but like I'm
not insinuating anything either.
It's just it's concerning.

SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Sounds like you are.

SPEAKER_00 (20:27):
I might be, but like but like that that's just what
I'm getting at is I'm like, it'sconfusing to me.

SPEAKER_01 (20:34):
You would hate to think that the wife would have
something to do with it, butagain, that's you there's been
history of it.
You just never know aboutpeople, right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:42):
You don't know, like she could be putting on an act
for anybody knows, or sheactually could just be grieving
in her own different way, tryingto because she's she's now the
CEO of Turning Point USA.

SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
She took over after Charlie Kirk, which is also kind
of weird.
That is although I'm glad it'snot Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
That is true, that is true.
I would rather Erica Kirk thanyou know Ben Shapiro at that
point.

SPEAKER_01 (21:03):
Yes.
I also heard that they weregonna get a hundred million
dollars and from a certaincountry.

SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
Oh, yeah.
Can't really say that countrywithout getting banned or
something like that now.

SPEAKER_01 (21:15):
Yeah, and then it's in the Middle East, it's
relatively small, it hasconflict with another country
all the time.

SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
And now they're about to commit genocide, you
know, just the usual.

SPEAKER_01 (21:25):
Yeah.
I I mean, to be honest, withthat situation, I really don't
know anything about it to speakon it, but I I'd like to hear
people's opinions.
But I heard turning point wasgoing to was um offered a
hundred million dollars fromsaid country and they turned it
down.

(21:45):
So a hundred million dollars.

SPEAKER_00 (21:48):
I mean, probably did as weird as it may sound, a
hundred million sounds great forme and you, but maybe to turning
point USA, they probably alreadyhave yeah, but also if somebody
within the company was like,hey, that's a lot of money that
we could use, and yeah, you'rethen they probably running your
mouth about this, and nowthey're not giving it to us.

SPEAKER_01 (22:08):
Because I bet turning point, because Charlie
was, I'm just gonna say it now.
Charlie was starting to questionIsrael.

SPEAKER_00 (22:15):
Yeah, he was.
He was he was literally likeeven Candace Owens has brought
that up too.
He was like questioningeverything, and he actually
turned down some stuff that wasgoing on too.
Like there were some speakers,like he was told that he can't
bring on, so he was beingpressured.

SPEAKER_01 (22:28):
Oh, yeah.
Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson's oneof them.

SPEAKER_00 (22:31):
Yep, they he was being pressured into not talking
to these people, otherwise,they'd like lose money and all
this other stuff, funding,whatever.
And then it came to that point,where then all of a sudden,
conveniently at a UtahUniversity, he just gets shot.
And it's like he was gonna I Ican guarantee you if he was
still alive today and like theshooter missed or something like

(22:51):
that, or left him in likecritical condition, but he was
alive today.
I guarantee you after that, hewould probably come out and say
like everything that would behappening that he knew.
I can guarantee it a hundredpercent.
Yeah, and that's why they wantedhim out, just like again with
JFK with his beliefs andeverything like that.
He wanted to help, and look whathappened during a parade shot in

(23:13):
the head, MLK, assassinated,Malcolm X, Abraham Lincoln, the
list goes on.
Yeah, so it's like what's sodifferent about Charlie Kirk
then at that point?
If Charlie Kirk was trying tohelp and he was spreading real
news, real debates, and realproblems.

SPEAKER_01 (23:33):
And actually changing people's minds.

SPEAKER_00 (23:35):
Changing people's minds and helping helping them
out.
Like, we can't have that.
So, what better way to get ridof somebody?
Make it look like some teenagekid shot Charlie Kirk, but it
was really us.

SPEAKER_01 (23:49):
There's also that weird part about that old guy in
the crowd who said it was him.
That was uh that was No, I knowit wasn't him, but what he I I
think there's like something todo with him because they take
him aside, and then next thingyou know, he's arrested for
child pornography, and now wecan't question him about
anything else except for that.

SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:10):
So why like how did they find that out about him so
quickly?

SPEAKER_00 (24:14):
I probably I just think that's weird.
I think it's weird too.
I think at first it was probablysee, it could be several things,
but I think one thing is itcould just been a like a random
like cover-up at that point tillthey like really knew or could
come up with like a better thingbecause they're like this old
guy cannot like make a 200-yardshot.

SPEAKER_01 (24:33):
Well, he was in the crowd and nobody knew where the
shot came from right then andthere.

SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (24:37):
So if he if Charlie gets shot and then all of a
sudden some guy's likescreaming, it was me, it was me.
Maybe he knew about it and waspart of like a distraction.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
But there was also other liberals there too.
Like, I don't know if you sawany other footage, but they were
cheering after he just got shotin front of them.

SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Yeah, some people on this planet are sick.
The other is just something thatwe have to accept.

SPEAKER_00 (25:00):
The other thing I don't know if you saw too.
This is the other thing that'svery puzzling that also
convinces me that the governmentwas definitely 100% on it.
Um, so everybody's wearing theirMAGA hat or their 47 hat, um, or
Charlie Kirk anything at thatpoint.
There was a guy that was beinginterviewed from like probably
another student or somethinglike that, I think it was, or

(25:21):
like a small like Utah NewsNetwork or something.
And he was like, Yeah, you know,Charlie, he just got shot in the
neck.
Nobody knows what's going on.
We don't know if he's dead, wedon't know if he's alive.
And then some guy in like a MAGAhat and like a red shirt that
just was like, um, I don't knowwhat it said, I don't know if it
was probably MAGA or something,but it was he was definitely
looking like a conservative, youknow what I mean?

(25:42):
Like right side, yeah, and helike pushed the kid to the side
and said, Hey, you need to shutup and like get out of here, no
more questions, no morecomments, and pushed him away.
And I'm like, There's peoplebeing interviewed, and we just
3,000 students just saw Kirk getshot out of school.
Like, who's not gonna have areaction?

(26:05):
Like, and then why are you ifyou're if you're pro-Trump and
pro Kirk and conservative, whyare you telling him to shut up
and be quiet, no moreinterviews, when you're just a
in a when you're a bystander?
Because the guy was Jack too.
So it looked like he definitelywas like maybe a security thing
or something like that, maybe,like you know, like how they

(26:25):
have like undercover people likeanywhere at airports, whatever.
Like he could have been one ofthose, but at the same time, why
are you gonna stop him fromspreading the news about Charlie
Kirk like literally just gettingshot like two minutes ago, and
him being rushed to the hospitalat this point?
Why are you pushing everybodyaway talking about what you saw?
Because he was he was saying,like, yeah, I saw I saw like a I

(26:48):
heard a bullet like beingwhizzed by from that direction,
and it wasn't in the directionthat the the tower that they
supposedly like were saying itwas originally shot from, and
there's there's video of a guyrunning on a roof and everything
like that.
There's a video of a guy layingdown on his stomach all in black
on a roof.

SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
Well, that would be Tyler, allegedly, right?

SPEAKER_00 (27:08):
But these were all on different roofs too.
These weren't like so.
I'm like, hmm.
Okay.
So were there multiple likepeople just watching?
Because even at the uh the StateFarm Stadium, there were snipers
everywhere.
You know, obviously at thatpoint, when somebody just got
assassinated, I would assumethat you know they're gonna take

(27:30):
precaution.
Because even on the stage, Ericaand Trump had a big presidential
bulletproof like thing rightthere, right in front of them.
Because yeah, Erica's a targetright now.
At this point, so are the kids.
Anybody that supports Trump orTrump himself is like a target,
and that's sad that we live in aworld like that where you can't

(27:51):
speak your mind or do anything.

SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
Yeah, we are regressing as a species.

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
But I will say too, I know that there's crazies on
the right side.
I know there are.
I I know at least two of themthat are crazies on the right
side.
And I'm like, those people makeus look bad as conservatives.
But from what I've witnessed,even going to a Trump rally like
last year, there are some crazylefts where they just provoke

(28:19):
violence, hate speech, andeverything.
And that's sad.
And again, I know not all leftsare bad.
Like again, I was saying earlieron this podcast that there's
TikToks where you know, I putlike there's people that say,
like, bury me in red because Ihave a rally to attend, and they
show a picture of Charlie Kirk,and then there's the left side
that say bury me in blue becauseI have a debate with this guy,

(28:40):
and it's like that's the leftside that I respect because they
realize how messed up thesituation is, and we shouldn't
be just shooting somebody,taking them away because of
their political beliefs or anybeliefs for that matter, right?
You know, yeah, like, but thenthat's where things happen.
Like, we just had a guy uhbasically shoot up and burn down

(29:03):
a church in Michigan recently.
He drove his truck into thechurch and started shooting
people up.

SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
Yeah, it was a Mormon one.
Apparently, he believed that theMormons were the Antichrist and
that he was trying to stop them.
Which but at the same time, he Imean, Mormons do not believe in
the same Jesus as Christians.
I'll be one of them to say it,but it obviously it gives him no
right to smash his truck inthere and shoot him.

SPEAKER_00 (29:29):
Right.
And then even too, right now,the one thing I actually hate,
because you know, I don't youprobably have had family members
that have fought and died inwar.
I've had family members foughtand die in war.
We go back way to like GeneralCustard, like my great great
great whatever great grandfatherto Williger, he's buried in
Charlotte.

(29:50):
And he fought with Custard backin the day.
And then my grandpa fought inWorld War II.
He was on the beaches inNormandy, my dad in Vietnam.
My uncle, his his brother, Dave,fought in Vietnam in the
jungles.
My most current relative thatwas serving in Desert Storm was

(30:12):
Chris.
My uncle Chris.
These people fought and died, orare just veterans of war.
And you get people in Dearborn,Michigan cursing America and
saying death to America.
And I'm like, no, you need toleave.
If you're literally giving thatmuch a hate speech towards

(30:32):
America and you hate it, you canleave.
That's what that's what I agreewith everybody.
If you don't like the countryyou live in, leave.
Try to come here legally.
I still think that rule shouldapply.

SPEAKER_01 (30:42):
But yeah, well, I think that Americans in general
have just gotten reallycomplacent.
We like to come home, play ourvideo games, watch TV, drink on
the weekends.

SPEAKER_00 (30:52):
Yep.
Party, go to concerts, whateveryou can think of.

SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
And it's like we've heard it all our lives, freedom
isn't free.
And it's like you have to fightthat here, too.
You can't just say freedom isn'tfree and just expect us to go
fight wars because sometimes thewar is here.
And I don't mean like a violentwar.

SPEAKER_00 (31:09):
I just mean like Yeah, it's like again, Dearborn
Michigan.
They're just saying death toAmerica and all this other crap,
and it's like they're causingproblems.
They're lighting the flag onfire.
And I'm like, what are we doing?
Like, what's with all theviolence?
And then somebody in Texas justgot beheaded at a motel, and
it's just like, what ishappening?

(31:29):
Bro, there have been moremurders and everything in my
lifetime than like even my dad'slifetime.

SPEAKER_01 (31:36):
Yeah, but we're also there's also the internet, so
we're hearing about it a lotmore, seeing it a lot more.

SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
Yeah, because if you do American history, obviously
there wasn't all that back thenin like 52 and everything.
Like, yeah, you had like theMorse code and everything like
that, or radio.

SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
Yeah, there wasn't internet, but like some of the
serial killer stuff is reallycreepy.

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (31:57):
And that was happening.
Some there's some serial killersin the 1800s that's very weird.

SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (32:04):
Like real.
I mean, I'm talking cannibals.

SPEAKER_00 (32:07):
And well, even too, like the most I guess you could
say a more recent-ish one,probably when we were just
thinking about being conceivedwas the Zodiac Killer.
He still hasn't been found.

SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
Yeah, that one's creepy.
Well, all of them are reallycool.

SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
I think Jack the Ripper hasn't even been still
discovered of who he was yeteither.

SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Yeah, but that's never gonna get found out
because that was like 200something years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (32:27):
No, but you know what was weird though, just side
note to Jack the Ripper is theydid at one point in the hall of
evidence or whatever they got atthe police stations for unsolved
cases, they did have a piece ofclothing from one of the
prostitutes um that had otherDNA on it that they were like,
Yeah, this this isn't the girl'sthis isn't just the girl's
blood.
There was somebody else's bloodon there.

(32:49):
So whoever the prostitute was,like, threw a fight and like
probably got some blood on herfrom him or her.

SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
This is who the zodiac killer?

SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Jack the Ripper.
Jack the Ripper.
So they had technically proof ofwho it could have been, but it
got lost in the archives.

SPEAKER_01 (33:06):
Of course it did.

SPEAKER_00 (33:07):
So it's probably still there, but I guarantee you
by the time they find it, it'sprobably just gonna be dried up
dust at this point because it'sclothing from like what the
1600s, 1700s.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
Uh, I think Jack the Ripper was like, yeah, 17,
1800s, somewhere around thattime.
But my point is that yes, thereis more violence today, but I
mean it's evil has alwaysexisted.
I know.
We're just more exposed to it, Ithink.

SPEAKER_00 (33:34):
It's becoming more common.
That's the problem.
It shouldn't even be like that.
Like, I feel bad for mybrother's kids because they have
to grow up with this.
Like, they didn't know, like, meand you knew what 9-11 was.
We saw it on TV.
Yeah, we got sent home fromVanguard because of the the
plane we were under attack.

(33:55):
Yeah, we we saw the towers fall.
We weren't there in New York,but we saw it.
Uh-huh.
And Jesse and Patience, my nieceand nephew, they they they won't
know what that's like.
They're just like, it's justlike some of the kids like
today, they make 9-11 jokes, andit's like, but you weren't
there.
You weren't watching it on TV,you weren't seeing America get

(34:16):
under attack.
So for you to make a joke aboutit just because you don't fully
understand it is likeridiculous.
It's like people that makeHolocaust jokes.
You know, obviously there's afew survivors left from like
World War II with the Holocaustfrom Auschwitz and everything.

SPEAKER_01 (34:30):
Isn't it weird that one day there will be no
survivors left?

SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
There's no uh I don't think there's any soldiers
from World War One in World WarII anymore.
I don't think I there might beonly a couple from World War II
left, but I don't think there'sthat many more.
I think most of them have died.
But there are still like Jewish,like because they were kids in
the concentration camp.
So they're still gonna berelatively old, like in their

(34:55):
80s and 90s now.

SPEAKER_01 (34:57):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
But it's if it's weird to think about too.
I think they said like what itwas so it was like maybe 70, 80
years ago when the Holocausthappened.

SPEAKER_01 (35:08):
Like that's like during the 1940s, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:10):
So I'm like, that's still in a way of like somewhat
relative.

SPEAKER_01 (35:14):
Yeah, it's not even a hundred years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:16):
Not even a hundred years ago, like that crap
happened with Germany, and it'slike, holy crap.
Like, but why are we gettinglike why is there a need to just
like I understand evil exists,but why is it like just it's
like a daily occurrence now?
It's crazy.
Like, even recently, too, likeeven before Charlie Kirk died,
there was that girl, I think hername was Isabel or something.

(35:38):
She she was on a subway train.

SPEAKER_01 (35:39):
Oh, it wasn't Isabel, I don't know her name,
but she was from Ukraine.

SPEAKER_00 (35:42):
Yeah, she was from Ukraine, and some guy just came
up and stabbed her in the neckand said, I killed that white,
you know, whatever.
And I'm like, Okay, he was hehad 15 felonies and he was
released from prison like Ithink three times or something
like that.
And I'm like, so with 15felonies and you're released

(36:03):
from prison three times orwhatever it was, why is he still
roaming the streets at thispoint when he's clearly mentally
unstable?
And then he just killed aninnocent girl, and then the
people in the car, you saw thevideo footage, I saw the video
footage.
She just bled from her neck andjust died in that train.

SPEAKER_01 (36:19):
Uh, well, there's a lot of stuff, Stefan.
First of all, people don't knowhow to I mean, I people don't
know how to be human anymore,for one.

SPEAKER_00 (36:26):
Yeah, that's the sad part.
Nobody knows how to be human.

SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
Everybody's glued to their phones.
So if you're glued to yourphone, you're constantly seeing
what all this negative stuffbecause that's really what
sells.
If you had positive newsstories, it's not gonna sell.

SPEAKER_00 (36:39):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
Um, people are depressed because they're on
social media and they're showingit's uh comparison.
Like you see people who havelike great pictures or that have
families and like we're notthere.
That's why I got rid of it.
I got rid of social media, andnow my phone is on I did like
grayscale, so like it's justblack and white.

(37:01):
And so now I go out into theworld and I'm so much happier
because I don't really knoweverything that's going on.
I'm not seeing all of my friendsor people on Facebook that I
don't know with their perfectlives, right?
They're not actually perfect,but that's what it looks like,
and it's the illusion of aperfect life, yeah.
It's the illusion of a perfectlife, and every time you see
that, you're not thinking inyour head, oh, this isn't real.

(37:22):
You just think, man, I wish Ihad that or something, whether
you want to or not.
And so I I think that that'spart of the problem is like just
a huge mental health crisis.
Yeah.
Um, and if people were justgetting off their phones and
learned how to talk and lookeach other in the eye and have
real conversations, like it usedto be.
Yeah, I think that we wouldstart to be a little bit better

(37:44):
off, but I don't think that'sgonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 (37:46):
Well, even like during so after the events of
9-11, even too, like a lot ofpeople like came together.
Like there were even celebritiesthat like went that were
ex-firemen back in the day, andI forget the one actor's name,
but he went down to New York andhelped like a fire team, like
dig people out and everythinglike that.
Like, people were actuallybanding together.

(38:07):
I remember my mom and dad wouldbe at the grocery store, like at
Meyer, like back when um, youknow, like how they had the
dollies where they would likewheel your groceries out for you
or like whatever in the paperbags.
Like back when Meyer was at thatpoint.
We I remember my mom and dadsometimes, like when they would
buy us a toy or buy usgroceries, and like somebody in
line would be like maybe 20bucks short from their bill.

(38:30):
Dad would just whip out a 20.
Mom would whip out a 10, youknow, like everybody was willing
to help each other out, andeverybody was talking to each
other.
Neighbors were getting alongwith each other again.
They were like, you know, I hopeyou have a great rest of the
night and everything.
Why don't you come over fordinner?
You know, there were a few timeswhere like I remember, I think
mom and dad had like a few ofour neighbors just come over for

(38:50):
dinner.
Like we had um, I don't rememberCarla, Carla and uh George, I
think were our neighbors acrossthe street from when we were
kids.
And I mean, they came over fordinner, they we went over there
for dinner and swam in the pooland just talked and hung out
because we were under attack atthat point.
Like, and that's when everybodyin America got brought together
because they were like, bro,we're under attack and we need

(39:11):
to like stop being stupid.
Like, we need to, and socialmedia I don't even think was
that big back then because heckthey had camcorders recording.

SPEAKER_01 (39:19):
No, yeah, they weren't that.
I don't even know if there wasany social media, maybe like
Zanga.

SPEAKER_00 (39:24):
Maybe Zanga, maybe well, it was 2001.
I don't know what other socialmedia apps were like hold on a
moment.

SPEAKER_01 (39:30):
There definitely wasn't any apps, but there
wasn't we didn't have phoneslike we do now.

SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
Yeah, they were like just flip phones and everything
like that.

SPEAKER_01 (39:38):
Yeah, so I I think that people came together there
because they saw that, and thatwas like the only big story, but
there wasn't like everybody intheir brother's opinion on
YouTube about it.

SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
Right, like you didn't have different things of
like is this a truth or a lie?

SPEAKER_01 (39:54):
Is this like like what really happened?

unknown (39:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (39:56):
It was just like you just th you saw those buildings
fall.

SPEAKER_00 (40:00):
There was Friendster and MySpace.
Uh there was a lot of things.
And even those still weren'tlike the greatest social media,
like you could barely doanything with well, yeah,
because it's not like you hadthe capability of like plugging
your phone or just uploading aphoto on your phone to like
Facebook at that point.
Like you just it was just uh,hey, I'm having a bad day at
work, and then you would justplay like Green Day or something

(40:21):
like that in the background,pretty much was my space.
That was all that that's all itwas.

SPEAKER_01 (40:26):
There was Yeah, so I think that's why people came
together, but now you can't evensay hi to somebody down the
street media, and I would saythat people are getting dumber
too.

SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
Although I will say this Whoa, so on Snap, uh so I
posted it on Snapchat because Iwas like, it's rare moments like
that that I'm like, there isstill some hope.
You know what I mean?
For people, where I was ridingmy bike and I was going to
family fair.
I just wanted to get like adonut and a coffee, you know,

(40:56):
kind of thing, you know, just tohave for like a snack because it
was Saturday, it's the weekend,you know.
And this guy comes up, this uhnot an older, older guy, but
like I would say he was probablylike in his like 50s, 60s,
maybe.
And he comes up and he goes, Heyman, I really like that bike.
And I'm like just getting readyto leave too, and everything.
He goes, Oh yeah, I'm like, Ijust bought this off the lot
like two years ago, you know,ten thousand dollars.

(41:18):
He goes, dude, I like it.
It's basic.
It's the black is amazing on it.
He goes, I love the decal thatweave the people on the back
that I have on the back fenderwith the American flag.
Yeah, and he goes, and themilitary starts, he goes, You
would you do military?
And I was like, No, my dadserved, my uncle served, my my
whole family served.
And um, the last one was myuncle and Desert Storm and

(41:38):
everything like that.
And so he goes, You know, I canappreciate that.
We don't have too many peoplethat are willing to like just
parade that down every now andagain on motorcycles or anything
like that.
Maybe a flag here or there, butyou know, you got the military
stars, you got the he goes, Youplan on doing anything else with
this?
And yeah, probably a few moredecals, get a windshield, all
that other kind of stuff, andsome flags.

(41:59):
And he goes, you know, man, Iappreciate that.
I he goes, I don't whenever Itry to like come up to people
and just even say, like, hey,you know, your shirt looks
great, he goes, I usually justget silence and everything, but
he's like, I really appreciateyou like letting just having a
conversation like this.
I said, dude, I'm the same way.
He goes, Well, how old are you?
I was like, I'm 32.
I said, like, I grew up when,you know, again, like 9-11

(42:21):
happened, and it's just likeeverybody was a little bit more
social back then when we werekids, but nowadays I can't even
go up to say uh say hi tosomebody.
So you go, I'm like, Iappreciate your conversation.
So it's like I just had thisconversation with some random
50, 60 year old about mymotorcycle.
That's how it started out, andwe just talked for like five
minutes.
And I'm like, and then we andthen I said, Yeah, I gotta get

(42:42):
going though.
But it, you know, I appreciateyou talking to me.
And he goes, Yeah, I appreciateyou know showing me your bike
and you know, talking.
It was really nice to just youknow, just talk to somebody, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (42:51):
Well, I also don't think that people are meant to
live in these big giant cities.
There's no way we could ever befriends with everybody in Grand
Rapids.

SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
So it's like you got like what 50,000 people or more.

SPEAKER_01 (43:01):
I think it's 400,000.

SPEAKER_00 (43:04):
That was just a little off.

SPEAKER_01 (43:06):
It's either uh it might I mean mine might be a
little off too.
It's either 200,000 or 400,000.

SPEAKER_00 (43:11):
I want to, yeah, it's probably like maybe in the
middle, maybe 300, somethinglike that.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
Yeah, so but I think that's part of the problem too,
is we just you live in these biggiant cities, they're crowded,
traffic, everybody's on edge,and so it just makes you angry.

SPEAKER_00 (43:26):
Yeah, and I mean that's where I want to move out
into the country because I'mlike in the maybe not country
country, but like small towncountry, you know what I mean?
Because then it's like you atleast maybe have a population of
a few thousand people or so, andyeah, and you get you're
supposed to see the same people,yeah.
You see the same people andeverybody's friendly, but I
mean, even just that interactionyesterday, like made my day.

SPEAKER_01 (43:47):
Oh, that happened yesterday, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
That happened yesterday.
I was just like, this is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (43:52):
I'm like should have bought him a donut.

SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
I I really did because I I had two, and I
really thought about giving himone because I was like, bro,
like this made my day righthere, and I made his day too.
And you know, he goes, Yeah, Ireally do appreciate that.
And then he waved to me as he uhhe turned left and I turned
right, and uh yeah, I was justlike, this is where I have a
little bit of hope in humanitystill, because at least there's
some people out there that arewilling to have a conversation

(44:15):
with somebody.
And even today at Starbucks,when I went to go get the Mint
Majesties, like the the guybehind the counter, he was
sitting there talking to me, andI was wearing my freedom shirt,
you know, the Charlie Kirkshirt, and he goes, you know,
what happened to him wasdefinitely not okay.
And it's like, you know, I hopepeople realize that they just
regardless of their beliefs,like they should just shouldn't
be taken.
A life shouldn't be taken forthat.

SPEAKER_01 (44:36):
Well, I'm I'm glad to know that I did drink the
whole thing and I haven't diedyet, so I don't think we
poisoned it.

SPEAKER_00 (44:42):
No, and I mean again, I already drank mine, I
just finished the last slip.
But yeah, there it's good tea,but just again, small
interactions like that, thatthat gives me hope for humanity
that like we're not all likedead inside at that point.
Like, yeah, there might be amost of us that are, but like
there's still the some of usthat are they're out there, you
know, and you can re even relateit today.

(45:02):
Like you think that there's noloyal people out there, but it's
really the loyal people are theones that are quiet and single
because they're just nobody elsewants to be loyal.

SPEAKER_01 (45:11):
Well, that's because you most of them are on TikTok
or YouTube and they see thesestupid YouTube shorts or
something.
Yeah, well, like men are all bador women are all horrible.
And it's like the the majorityof women that I talk to in my
life have no negative thoughtstoward me.
No, I didn't know what words touse.

(45:32):
And the interactions betweenthem are always pretty positive.
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 (45:36):
And I mean singles.

SPEAKER_01 (45:37):
So I don't like I I haven't met these women in
person who need me to be sixfoot eight, like make six
figures a year kind of.
Making a million dollars a year.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (45:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:48):
I I I just haven't met a woman who is who's thought
that in my own personal life.
But what do you do when you goon the internet?
It's all you see.

SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
Is just negative feedback.
Yeah, so you start so you juststart to believe that well, even
even too, with the like CharlieKirk stuff that was going on.
Like, I don't know, I told you Ithink, but like I got like death
threats for just beingRepublican and like being like,
bro, this is messed up.
Death threats where fromliterally old friends.

(46:18):
So one guy I met, his name isCaleb too, and he's uh actually
from Canada, but I think hemoved um to America at one
point.
I don't know what state he's inanymore, but he moved here, and
me and him were really goodfriends.
We actually met on Little BigPlanet, and we would create
sonic stuff together, like musicand costumes and stuff, and like
we were really good friends, andwe we're both artists, so we're

(46:40):
like complimenting each other'sartwork, trying to repost and
get like you know, people andfollowers and stuff like that.
We were helping each other, andthen the very minute that
Charlie Kirk got shot, and thenI said, if you guys support,
because I've already becausebeforehand I already saw
everybody's like, Yeah, he'sdead, blah blah blah.
And I was like, if you supportwhat happened to Charlie Kirk,

(47:01):
like you need to delete me atthis point because I don't want
to be your friend.
That's sick and disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 (47:07):
Yeah, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (47:08):
And he he sent me a message basically saying that I
should have joined Charlie Kirkgetting shot in the neck, you
Republican piece of you know,yeah, and he was just like
saying, All you Republicans arecrazy and you know R E T, you
know, so on the rest of thelettering.
Um and he just went on and onand on.

(47:28):
And then he found my TikTok andhe and then I didn't even post
anything Charlie Kirk related atthat moment.
But he went on all my stuff andhe commented a picture of
Charlie Kirk getting shot in theneck, and then he goes, serves
him right.
And I'm like, Oh, okay, cool.
So we're playing that.
So I blocked him.

SPEAKER_01 (47:45):
Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 (47:46):
And I was like, Yeah, I'm like, bro, that's
sickening.
And then I'm not gonna say wherethis person works at, um, but I
did know them from a job that Iworked at, and they were sending
me death threats for just beingRepublican bringing Trump into
office, and I'm like, you know,I don't agree with Joe Biden and
Harris about what they do.

(48:07):
And even when I found out thatJoe Biden had cancer or signs of
cancer, um I wasn't wishingdeath upon him.
I'm a decent human being.

SPEAKER_01 (48:17):
Yeah, I didn't even know he had it.

SPEAKER_00 (48:18):
Yeah, I found out news about it.
I'm like, I mean, I hate theguy, don't get me wrong, but I'm
like, I don't wish death uponhim.
I don't.
I like I don't I don't care forJoe Biden.
I think he's an idiot, but atthe same time, I'm like, I'm not
wishing death upon him.
Yeah.
I'm not like I have one personthat I work with that actually
is like she constantly talksabout having Trump getting shot
in the back of the head and justbeing put out because I'm a

(48:41):
stupid Republican that put himin office and everything like
that.
And I've reported her already.
But I'm like, that's not okay totalk about.
I'm sorry, dude.
It's toxic.

SPEAKER_01 (48:52):
Sounds like you need to start carrying, dude.

SPEAKER_00 (48:54):
I mean, I have open carry.
Michigan, you can open carry.
I just don't have a concealer,so I don't feel like waving
around my gun, you know what Imean?
Yeah, I don't either.
But at the same time, it's justlike, why is it just because you
vote for somebody or you believesomething?
Like, it what is it?
It's gonna get to that pointeventually with the rapture
where Christians are gonna getsingled out.

SPEAKER_01 (49:16):
Because they're indoctrinated, man.

SPEAKER_00 (49:18):
I know they're indoctrinated, but like what I'm
just here's the thing.
But why are you gonna deaththreaten somebody for just their
belief at that point?
Like, because Caleb was gay.
Caleb was gay, he was dating atrans, and I'm like, you know,
that's his life.
He you can do what you want,boo-boo.
You can do what you want, youknow?
But the minute I'm like sittinghere saying, like, man, rest in

(49:41):
peace, Charlie Kirk, nothingviolent, nothing blaming the
left, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 (49:47):
Yeah, it's like you're not looking for a fight,
and then they just I get a deaththreat.
They come and bring it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:52):
And I lost five friends because I voted for
Trump and then like was likerest in peace, Charlie Kirk, and
my condolences to family andfriends and fans of him.
And I'm like, so that's justpeople showing their true kind
of thing.

SPEAKER_01 (50:05):
Well, them they're just weren't friends of yours.

SPEAKER_00 (50:06):
Yeah, I know.
That that's how I look at it.

SPEAKER_01 (50:08):
And you wouldn't want to be friends with those
people anyway, because as soonas you start questioning
anything, they just like getreally, really mad.

SPEAKER_00 (50:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_01 (50:16):
Well like I've had that with people, even my
family, who is more left wherethey'll say something and I
don't I know nothing about thesituation.
Right.
Right.
Like I don't I haven't seenanything about it.
And I ask them a question andthey just lose their mind.
And it's like, I just asked aquestion, so it's like they they
can't comprehend.

(50:36):
It's because it's it's theirreligion.
So, like us, we're Christian,and I I hope you're Christian
before you're Republican.

SPEAKER_00 (50:45):
Well, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 (50:46):
So we're both Christian first, and so our uh
soul is believes in JesusChrist, who says that uh I am
the well that never runs dry.
And he doesn't change hisopinions, he's always set in
stone, you know, build yourhouse on the rock, I'm the rock,
basically.

(51:08):
But their religion is theirpolitics.
So when their politics lets themdown, they have nothing to live
for now.

SPEAKER_00 (51:14):
Yeah, they get mad.

SPEAKER_01 (51:15):
So it's actually really when you really start to
think about it, it's more sadbecause these people basically
have to live hell on earth, andthen if they don't put their
trust in Jesus, when they die,they go to hell for real.
And so there's never at peace.

SPEAKER_00 (51:31):
No.
It's it is a sad world we livein.
And I mean, I feel bad for thisgirl that I work with because
I'm like, dude, like you can'tbe like, I get it, like, sure,
you're gonna argue, and somepeople probably even watching
this podcast are gonna argueabout freedom of speech, you
know.
Say what you want about whoeverand whatever, but there's a
degree of it that's like, okay,you're you're in that line where

(51:54):
you're crossing it a little bit,where it's a little bit more of
insanity at that point.
If you're bringing up Trumpconstantly getting shot in the
back of the neck, or bringing upCharlie Kirk getting shot in the
neck and wanting his family towish the same death and
everything daily, hourly, andthat's all you can think about.
Maybe you need to go to PineRest and get yourself checked

(52:15):
in.

SPEAKER_01 (52:15):
Yeah, that's fair to say, I think.
Because I think, yeah, you cansay whatever you want, but I'm
also allowed to not be friendswith you if you say something
dumb.

SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Like I'm not asking for you to be taken away and
jailed for the rest of yourlife, but I'm just unless it
becomes actual threats, right?
Then that's when it then that'swhen it crosses the line.
But I all I also have thefreedom to be like, you're
saying stuff that I don't agreewith and it's annoying, and I
just don't want to be aroundhere anymore.
Right.
And I think that's fair.

SPEAKER_00 (52:43):
Right.
That that's you know, set caseand done at that point.
So, and then even with um whatelse was there that happened
recently with all that?
Um I mean, you can even maybeargue the same thing with the
whole immigration thing that'sgoing on right now with ICE,
where people are saying, like,oh, they're not taking illegals

(53:04):
out, they're just taking whoeveris illegal, like not illegal
criminals like Trump is saying,like they're doing.
And I'm like, I see videos allthe time.
And I mean, obviously, you knowme.
I'm more on social media thanwell.

SPEAKER_01 (53:16):
Here's the thing, Stefan, too, is and I and
there's really dumb people onthe right too.
Yeah, there are.
Yeah.
The left media knows how dumbtheir followers are.
Yeah.
So they can have some teenagekid go on TikTok and say, Hey,
ICE is taking people who aren'tillegal, and they're just gonna
believe them.

SPEAKER_00 (53:35):
Yeah.
Well, well, what I'm getting attoo is like, so there's actual
news outlets like Daily Mail,Fox News, CNN, whatever on
TikTok or Facebook, whateverkind of way that they have to
inform people.
They there there was a guyrecently at a grocery store
minding his own business orsomething like that, supposedly.
And ICE came in, swatted thebuilding, and like got him and

(53:58):
take it took him away to likewherever they take him, the
border, whatever they somefacility where they make him
fill out paperwork for whateverfor being illegal.
And it's like I get that there'speople here that want to become
actual US citizens that want towork and live in a better
country.
I'm all for that.

(54:19):
Come here legally, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (54:21):
Like I think in in cases like that, I wonder if
there's like a way they couldpossibly help them out.

SPEAKER_00 (54:29):
That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 (54:29):
Is like because I do, and I know that I'm gonna
get a lot of crap from theconservative side, but I do
think it's a bit of anovercorrection.
But I do too.
But that's what we do here islike the if now if a Democrat
gets elected again, they're justgonna blow open the wall and let
everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (54:46):
It's just like it's just a rinse and repeat cycle
all over.

SPEAKER_01 (54:49):
Yeah, it's like there has to be someone more
level-headed about it becausenobody wants like the grandma
selling street tacos to be sentback.

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
Right.
It's just like we need like druglords and like sex traffickers
and everything like that to getit.

SPEAKER_01 (55:05):
Like and and people have to be able to admit that
yes, bad people come over theborder.
Yeah, not all of them, not all,but some.
It's just like we have to knowthat.
And so, like, I I do wish thatthere was a way that they could
help out the people who, yeah,they came here illegally, which
if Biden was allowing you,wouldn't you do that?

(55:26):
Right.
Like, heck yeah, I'm comingover.

SPEAKER_00 (55:28):
Yeah, I'm coming over with no consequences.

SPEAKER_01 (55:29):
Um, and so like, because some of those people do
actually contribute to society.

SPEAKER_00 (55:33):
Yeah, they do, like, they do jobs that I wouldn't do.
Like, if it was picking up pigpoop or if it was like picking
out like like berries out in afield, like in a hot, like 90 to
100 degree weather, like I'm notgonna want to do that.
I could do that, but but youknow what I mean.
Like, there's people thataren't.

SPEAKER_01 (55:48):
I just think it's wrong that they pay them such
crappy wages.

SPEAKER_00 (55:51):
I think they should be paired like, well, even for
the U.S.
citizens, I feel like at thatpoint the U.S.
citizen should be definitelytaken care of first before it's
like I agree with that.

SPEAKER_01 (56:00):
But I'm just saying, like the reason why a lot of
people are upset is becauseprices are gonna go up now
because they've been gettingaway with paying these people
who work really hard reallycrappy wages because they can
pay them under the table.

SPEAKER_00 (56:14):
And I think that's wrong.
Well, I mean, I don't know ifyou also heard too, but the
Biden administration just gotcaught laundering money pretty
much and sending it over toother countries.
Like they put sent like over$3.5billion over to some I whatever
country it is in the Middle Eastthat starts with a D um for
electric buses, and then theyspent uh$300 million for male

(56:36):
prostitutes in uh some otherMiddle Eastern country, and then
they spent uh another$500million on something else over
not in not in a Middle Eastern,but like somewhere else over in
another country for um what wasit?
Um I think for abortions and allthis other stuff, and I'm just

(56:57):
like so and you know, maybeagain some people are gonna
argue this, but why am Istruggling to try to find an
apartment that's at a decentwage where I'm working my butt
off at work to try to get setapartment, but yet the rent
keeps right uh rising at thatpoint and nothing is getting

(57:20):
cheaper, but yet we're just ableto we're taxed on everything.
Like I'm taxed on my car thatI'm owning to drive, to get
taxed to work, to tax to eat, totax to whatever, and then I owe
taxes, but then get only likemaybe a thousand dollars back.
I'm like, but yet you want tospend millions of dollars for
male prostitutes over in aMiddle Eastern country to learn

(57:42):
lap dances.
Like, are you kidding?

SPEAKER_01 (57:46):
These are priorities, man.

SPEAKER_00 (57:48):
Yeah, apparently.
But you get you get where I'mcoming from.
It's like take care of yourAmerican citizens first.
Make sure that if if you'regonna work and you actually want
to work and you actually want tocontribute, you should be able
to have a livable wage.
I should be able to have anapartment or a home.
I should be able to be able toat least live comfortably.
I don't have to have like a themost luxury life like Dwayne the

(58:10):
Rock Johnson, where I'm living ayou know, a 20-bedroom mansion
with five swimming pools and sixarcades.
I'm like, I just want a small,maybe even just a single wide
mobile home that's in decentshape that I can just sit down,
pay my water, electric, and justthose mobile homes are pretty
big on the inside.
That's what I'm saying is I'mlike, I don't need anything big.

(58:31):
Nobody needs anything that big.
They want stuff that's big, butthey don't need stuff that's
big.

SPEAKER_01 (58:36):
That's true.
Okay.
Um, with the whole Charlie Carrthing that happened, what do you
think is gonna be the aftermathnow?
Do things get better, do thingsget worse?

SPEAKER_00 (58:47):
In a way, I think a mixture of both.
I think in the way that it getsbetter is that a lot of people
are gonna be able to they'restanding up for themselves and
what they believe in at thispoint.

SPEAKER_02 (58:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:00):
Like me, I walked in with a freedom shirt that
everybody knows that CharlieKirk wore.
Everybody knows that CharlieKirk stands for this.
Yep.
I've even walked into storeswith that where it says Charlie
Kirk on the back with theturning point, USA, the American
flag, and his name on it.
So people are tired of theviolence, and I think people are

(59:21):
gonna stand up to it a lot more.

SPEAKER_01 (59:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:24):
Now the con to that is that there's probably gonna
be more violence as we can see.
There's still riots going on.
There's the National Guardgetting sent.
I don't know if you heard, butum I think JD Vance or Trump
mentioned something about uhbecause of what Whitmer's doing
right now here in Michigan, umNational Guard might be coming

(59:45):
to Michigan.

SPEAKER_01 (59:46):
I don't even know what she did.
And I live here.

SPEAKER_00 (59:48):
It's Whitmer.

SPEAKER_01 (59:50):
Yeah, what did she do in Michigan?

SPEAKER_00 (59:52):
She's been like she's very democratic, first of
all.

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
Well, yeah.
Well, you mean like Democrat?

SPEAKER_00 (59:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (59:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (59:57):
Yeah, she's very democratic.
She's all for like bringing Theillegals in here without any
kind of paperwork and everythingelse.
She's into the whole like BlackLives Matter movement and making
it to where basically it's likeimpossible for anybody.
Like she's okaying and fundingall these like riots and
everything like that, too.
Like she was also caught withpart of that too.
She was caught with with atleast funding some of that.

(01:00:21):
Not all of it, but some of itfor the riots that happened a
few years ago for George Floyd.
She also was funding all thisstuff.
She was like, she's just givingmoney away for like EBT and
everything like that, too.
Or the um, what do you call it?
Um what there's like a it'swhere they give money to like um

(01:00:42):
I can't think of the word.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:43):
But why would the National Guard have to come
here?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:46):
Because there's a lot more violence going on,
especially with Dearborn rightnow.
That that that's mainly whatsparked it is what happened in
Dearborn, where these Muslimsare just there and they're just
like death to America andthey're burning the flag and
like starting crap.
It's like, yeah, no, theNational Guard is definitely
coming.
But yeah, Whitmer Whitmer isjust like okaying all this to
happen.
Not the National Guard, butshe's okaying for all this stuff

(01:01:06):
to happen.
The riots and funding and givinglike well welfare, that's what I
was thinking of.
She's giving welfare away tolike she's just approving it.
So like anybody can basicallyapply for welfare, anybody can
apply for like food stamps orwhatever, and she's just just
like here you go, for the stateof Michigan, you're approved,
and you may not even need it.
So I know I can afford my foodand groceries, but like if I

(01:01:28):
wanted to, I could go get an EBTcard, I could go get food
stamps, I could go get whatever,and she's just okaying it just
because, and it's like, bro,that's not the point.
And it's mainly for illegals atthis point.
It's it's not for like theworking class, like me or my
brother, it's for the illegalsthat she's like funding this
for.
So it's like, how about you takecare of the Michigan residents

(01:01:48):
first, the US Michiganresidences that are here
legally, and then get to theimmigrants at that point.
Not saying you shouldn't takecare of them if they're here to
actually work and be a UScitizen.
But make sure like you take careof the current residents first
that actually need it, thatactually deserve it.

(01:02:10):
Not the ones that are just Ineed it, but yet you see at the
grocery stores, they're like, Ineed my EBT.
I have my welfare check, and I'mbuying 20 packs of Bush Light,
and then oh yeah, my EBT card,I'll just get a thing of milk
and cereal for the children.
Sorry, if you got money forthat, you got money for that.
So you don't need to be on EBTat that point if you're buying

(01:02:34):
cigarettes, beer, lotto, oranything like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:36):
You can Stefan, I think a lot of people would
agree with you on that.
Yeah.
Do you think that there's gonnabe a Christian revival now that
this whole thing is?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:44):
I think I don't know if it'll be as big as what maybe
some people are thinking, but Ithink it'll be big enough to
make an impact.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:50):
Well, look at you.
Aren't you gonna be doingsomething?

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna I already applied for Turning
Point USA and everything likethat, and I'm already doing my
own thing.
I'm not afraid to share mybeliefs or anything like that
anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:01):
Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:02):
And all my little problems that I did have before,
like you know about them.
Like I was going through somemental crap.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:09):
You know, all that just was like after Charlie
Kirk's assassination andrethinking some things.
I'm like, my problems aren't sobig.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:16):
So I'm do you think that's gonna last or do you
think it's an emotional?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:19):
No, it's it's gonna last.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:21):
It better.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:21):
Well, I mean, think about it already, it's already
been a month pretty much sincehis assassination, too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:27):
And usually with me, I already know my patterns of
how this would work, is I wouldbe okay for like a week or two,
and then like after that, itwould just start declining,
declining, declining.
And then I would get back up andthen decline, decline, decline.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:41):
What are you gonna be doing for turning point?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:44):
I probably I don't know what I would have that like
maybe just either setting updebate stuff like the tables or
whatever they got going on therefor like different universities
and stuff if they're still gonnabe doing the debates or helping
out with charity events,whatever they do down there.
I I looked it up a little bit,but like they don't really give
too many job descriptions ofwhat you can do.

(01:04:06):
Like they just ask you, are youa student?
Are you a US citizen?
Are you male, female, are youlike whatever?
And then here's where you canwork.
And it says like Phoenix,Arizona, or Washington, DC, or
wherever else they havestationed.
So they don't really give like afull job description, but you
can select careers, and thenthey are like, Yeah, you could,
you know, there's maybe likethis you can do.

(01:04:26):
And it's just like a very vaguedescription.
So I'm like, I'm stillresearching it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:32):
That's kind of weird.
You think they'd let you know?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:34):
I mean, I'm sure they do.
I think I just probably overskimmed it pretty much at that
point.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:39):
Yeah, but I'm knowing you, knowing me, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:41):
I'm I'll I'll I'll I'll fully admit it.
Like, there's some things I'lljust like skim through and be
like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:46):
What if you what if you show up?
Say they offer you a job inArizona and then all of a sudden
it's like custodial work.
That wouldn't be so bad, butwhat if they were like, we need
you to be a human shield?
I'd be terrified.
Like when they're debating whenwhen like our guy is debating,
you stand in front of them justin case somebody shoots and you
can't.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:05):
Can you six figures a year?
Maybe.
I'm just saying.
But yeah, I mean, like, that's II think it would be kind of nice
to like help out, but I will sayis like my patriotism has like
come out a little bit more too.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:18):
But what about your Christianity?

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:20):
Christianity too.
I'm like, I'm not afraid at workto like tell people like I'm
Christian, like what you'redoing is wrong, or anything like
that.
If like they're gonna bring upsomething like with the whole
Charlie Kirk or Trump gettingshot in the back of the head
kind of thing, like where you'relike, Yeah, I wish Trump would
just get shot, and you know,he's dead, you're a stupid
Republican.
I'm like, hey, honestly, Ray,like before I I would I would

(01:05:41):
just like not speak my mind,like I just kind of like, yeah,
yeah, yeah, you know, whatever,blah, blah.
Like turn the other cheek, youknow.
Yeah, I I just be like, look,dude, I'm like, you are crossing
a line, I'm not appreciating it,and I'm sure other people in
here, they may be for you, theymay not be for you.
But out of respect, I would justask you to please stop.

(01:06:02):
If it continues, I'm gonna takeit up a notch and I'm gonna send
it to HR or I'm gonna talk to myboss about it, and it's not
okay.
I don't agree with it.
You don't see me talking aboutBiden getting shot in the back
of the head.
You don't see me talking aboutHarris, you know, getting run
over by a car or somethingstupid happening to her.
I'm like, I'm respecting thatyou are a Democrat, I am

(01:06:24):
Republican, we both havedifferent viewpoints of how the
country should be run.
You're wishing death uponsomebody and calling me a stupid
Republican when I have not saidanything to you about being a
liberal, and you're literallyacting like one.
So I'm like, if you wanna if youwant to get into this, then

(01:06:46):
after we clock out at fiveo'clock, we can talk all you
want.
But while we are at work, Iwould ask you to shut up.
Is what I literally did.
I looked at her and I said, I'dask you to shut up.
And if it continues, I'm gonnago to my boss or HR.
That's literally what I toldher.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:02):
I think more of these issues would be solved if
people got headgear and boxinggloves and just were like, hey,
let's just like duke it out inthe backfield.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:11):
Oh, one-on-one.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, that's mouth guards.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:15):
I mean, you wouldn't get hurt, you don't really get
hurt with those headgear.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:18):
But I also Yeah, but you can get your ear bitten off
like Mike Tyson back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:21):
Not if you wore headgear.
Because it protects your ears.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:25):
Oh, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:27):
And I'm not and I'm also saying keep it civil with
like just the box gloves.
I'm not saying like start bitingpeople, which is weird.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:35):
Well, I mean, back then it was kind of a whole
different breed of people, too,you know.
Like they were a lot more like Iguess you could say tough back
then.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:42):
Testosterone was higher.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:43):
Yeah, compared to now, testosterone's like low as
crap.
Yeah, like you can't even getlike half the guys to like even
ask a girl out anymore.
Because I mean, again, alsothere's complications with that.
Same thing with women with S.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:56):
It is scary.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:57):
It is, it is scary.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:58):
But also, it's like where?
Because you it'd be nice to doit at the gym.
Yeah.
But then it's like if sherejects you.
You know what?
We're in our 30s.
If she rejects us, it's reallynot the end of the world.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:08):
No, but also, too, like, okay, this might be
contradicting to some people.
I'm just gonna say it, butthere's women in there that
literally dress to make you lookat them.
And then if you approach themand be like, hey, do you need
help lifting that dumbbell orsomething like that?
They're like, Oh my god, you'resexualizing me.
And then like they'll go getstaff and then you're banned
from the gym.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:25):
Yeah, I I'm sure it does happen.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:27):
When I'm at the gym, even though I'm single, like I
don't approach women.
Like the only time I've reallytalked to a woman is either
asking her if she's done withthe machine or if um, like there
was a couple girls when I was onthe treadmill and they were
using the um what are theycalled?
The they start with an L orsomething like that, but like
you put your feet down and youhave like the little pegs that

(01:08:48):
you do this.
Elliptical.
Elliptical.
They were trying to get itturned on and they turned on the
button and it wasn't turning on,and they were like, What the
heck?
And I said, You just gotta startrunning with it, and then it'll
turn on on its own, and thenit'll start tracking you.
Like, oh, okay, thank you.
And that was it.
That's all the conversation I'mhaving with a woman there.
And if a woman approaches me,I'm sorry at the gym, I'm there

(01:09:08):
to focus.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:09):
Oh, Steph, and if a hot girl came at the gym and you
were and started talking to me,he's like, I'm really into you.
Do you want my number?
You're gonna be like, sorry, I'mtoo focused on my work.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:16):
No, there's a difference.
If there's a hot girl that comesup to me outside of the gym,
then it's free game.
If it's at the gym, I know it'sa trap.
Because I'm not gonna get set upof a possibility of a 50-50
chance of a girl's like saying,Oh, he was coming on to me and
he did something to me.
Because think about it this wayhow often do you hear about a
guy reporting a girl for sexualharassment at a gym?

(01:09:40):
Never exactly.
You never hear about a guygetting molested or whatever by
the way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:48):
There goes the monetization on this video.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:50):
Well, it's not the other R word.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:52):
I know.
So I mean And there's plenty ofother words we used anyway.
Yeah, I always joke about that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:57):
But like that, that is a true fact, is like you
don't see too many like mencoming up to like the the
custodial desk or whatever, thecustomer service desk and be
like, hey, you know, she'sharassing me over there, she's
wearing tight, skimpy clothesand everything, and she came up
to me and wanted to ask me out,she won't leave me alone.
It's like they're not gonna doanything, they're just like,
she's a woman, it's fine.
But then if if a girl comes upto them and says, Hey, this guy

(01:10:20):
like at the treadmill overthere, he won't leave me alone.
I they're gonna kick you out,even if you had nothing to do
with it, and you don't even youdidn't you were just wearing
your headphones minding your ownbusiness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:30):
Stefan, I gotta be honest with you.
I don't know what you'rewatching, but I don't think that
happens so often.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:35):
It has happened.
Uh, I was at the gym with Brianone day, my buddy Brian, not the
one from Utah, but like the onethat's that I work with, and he
uh we witnessed it firsthand.
We were like, bro, bro was justminding his own business because
the because the people came upbecause they saw us looking at
him, and they like one of the uhcustomer service reps came up
and he goes, Did you guys seewhat happened?
Because like you guys were rightnear the event, and we were

(01:10:56):
like, he literally was justlistening to music the entire
time, and it's like he wasn'teven doing anything.
She came up, she was literallywearing like yoga pants that
like you could see every curve.
No joke.
And then she's wearing thesports bra that again you can
see every curve.
So it's like I understand maybewith women's clothing for the
gym, it's maybe difficult tolike find athletic clothing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:19):
It's not to a degree they do it on purpose, everybody
knows it.
I'm tired of like beating aroundthe bush saying that they don't,
they do it for attention, theylike the attention, and then
when they can use it againstyou, they do.
I get it.
But I have yet to I mean, I'vegone up to women and I've never
gotten charged.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:39):
Well, no, and neither have I, but like when we
saw when me and my buddy Briansaw it at like the Alpine uh gym
that we go to, that's what wesaw, and it was like, what the
heck just happened?
Like, and the guy walked out,like he was actually like upset,
and they're like they didn't sayanything about him being banned
or anything, because yeah, we'regonna have to ask you to leave,
man.
Like, she's she's reallycomplaining about you and

(01:12:01):
everything, and he just likewalked out and he just was like
upset, and we're just like ifthat happened, I would have
canceled my membership on thespot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:08):
Would you actually probably well it it's it's hard
because it well because you canalways just go to a different
one, but at the same time, it'slike if they really kicked you
out for no reason, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:20):
Because it's like at that point they're gonna have to
view cameras and do all thisother crap, and they don't want
to do that, so they're justgonna be like, Oh, okay, well,
we're just gonna believe thewoman because she's a woman at
that point, versus if a guy didit again like what we saw, like
they're not gonna believe theguy, they're just gonna believe
the girl at that point becauseit's more prone to happen to
women than it is to men at thatpoint.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:41):
Okay, well, someday we'll have to do yeah, we'll do
another thing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:44):
I don't know why I got so amped up on that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:46):
I have to an episode on Jim Attire and men being
weird and women being weird orwhatever.
But the the last thing I reallywant to talk about is Yeah, um,
I think that to solve thisproblem, like what you are going
through, Christians need to bemore expressive with their
faith.
And it doesn't mean you have tobe a jerk, but like just to

(01:13:08):
stand up for yourself, yeah, andand boycott things.
Right.
My uh my brother wanted to gosee a movie the other day, uh
Stephen King won.
And I didn't even look goodanyway.
I didn't want to see itregardless.
But I was just like, I'm notgoing to that movie because when
Charlie Kirk died, Stephen Kingwas like, Well, he was into

(01:13:29):
stoning gays.
So and it's like, first of all,it's a lie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:32):
Right.
Nobody you know what's funnythough, too, is whenever they
have an argument with Kirk, theyalways like pull up certain
clips, they don't listen to thefull clip about it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:40):
Yeah, well, we all know that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:42):
Yeah, they just like pick, they pick and choose the
words, and then they're justlike, Well, he's a fascist.
It's like, okay, do you knowwhat a fascist is?
Do you know why he's a fascist?
What did he say that was racist?
I'm pretty sure he's not racist.
He's friends with a black womanand a black friend.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:55):
Well, you can say that about anybody.
You you could have friends thatwere black and still uh secretly
hate him, but I don't thinkCharlie Kirk was racist.
Yeah, I think the clips thatthey take, they take them out of
context, they're not listeningto the whole thing.
But that's just the world welive in.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:10):
It is because social media has ruined everything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:13):
I'll agree with that.
Social media has 100% ruinedeverything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:16):
Short form has too.
But it's so easy to just sitthere and scroll video after
video.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:22):
Yep, and again, you're going to only look for
the negative because it's moreinteresting at that point versus
positive.
The ozone could patch itself upat this point, and everybody'd
be like, eh.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:30):
Yeah, you probably have a point there.
Anyway, we're at about an hourand 15.
I don't really have anything totalk about left about any of the
situation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:40):
I don't either, other than just basically I
think what you what you said isright is that like, you know,
Christians need to come out alittle bit more and start like
standing up from themselvesagain, not being a jerk about
it.
But they need to like startshowing their faith a little bit
more and that they're not asintimidated like how it used to
be before.
Because I feel like before, ifyou were if you came out as

(01:15:02):
Christian, like you could belike basically like frowned
upon, or like even basically Imean, you could still be
threatened to this day at thispoint for being Christian.
But right now, I think with whathappened with Charlie Kirk's
death is that it sparkedsomething, it sparked a movement
of some kind.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:18):
Yeah, it sparked a movement, and there will be a
lot of good that comes from itfrom the spiritual side, but
there's also a lot of bad comingfrom the spiritual side, and
that's something that I thinkwould be a lot more fun to talk
about.
Well, I shouldn't say fun.
Interesting when we have you andEthan here.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:37):
So we can get all the all the details and opinions
on everything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:15:40):
Yeah.
So I think that's what we'll do.
Anyway, everybody, thank you somuch for listening.
If you made it this far, I hopeyou all have a blessed week.
Bye, love you.
Love you too.

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