ANALYZING, DISCIPLINE AND A NAUGHTY POE

POE COMES TO THE MIC AGAIN TO DISCUSS HIS LATEST SESSION WITH MADAME LIV AND HOW SOMETIMES "YOU JUST NEED TO BE PUT INTO YOUR PLACE"....AFTER YOU POKE THE MEAN BEAR...LOL

Episode Transcript

(00:07):
Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me Mistress.
I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, and I've got with me Madame Liv.
Hi, guys. Madame Liv and I are sitting
here. We have a special guest with us.
You've come to the mic before and you've spoken your wise
words of your sessions. Still, the team he did.
I like that. He That's good.

(00:28):
That's good. I've got with us PO Lil PO.
Hi everyone how we doing? I wish the fuckers could
respond. You know, I know every time I
say it that way, I'm like, what do I expect?
Like someone to reach through this microphone to go hi.

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I was sitting in the office and I got a text message 20 minutes
ago and Liv says, hey, we're going to do the podcast.
PO, he's here, I'm coming up. Oh, OK, let's do it.
You had a breakthrough. Something happened.
You got your ass beat. Well, you know, sometimes you
just, you have to be put into your place.
So you know, Madam, was, you know, willing to accept that

(01:13):
challenge. OK, you know when you initially
sent a text message to me and I said look at my phone, look at
that, what this motherfucker just said.
And to the listeners, obviously Poe referred to Madam Live as
her actual given name, and that is a no go, no go.

(01:36):
Very. Disrespectful.
And she said, oh, don't respond.I'm going to respond to that.
And then I said, oh, you got in trouble.
You definitely, you definitely got me in trouble.
But with Beyoncé, I kind of figured y'all would be right
next to each other and you know,so every now and again you gotta

(01:59):
poke the bear and just kind of, you know, see what happens.
See what happens. Like I like just so if you saw
what happened. It's it's, it's pretty intense
what can happen. Well you know, I've said this
from the gecko Madam live is a natural.
She told me that she told me this about 2-3 weeks ago.
She's like, you know, you basically threw me to the

(02:20):
wolves. I'm like, bitch, you know, I
didn't have to train her. You know.
It's. Natural.
Some things just come natural topeople and I, you know, God
bless her for it. She didn't need me.
And then she said something to Charles the other day.
We were rearranging the dungeon we were cleaning up, doing all

(02:41):
sorts of things in there. And she's like, well, I've never
used that bullwhip. I'm like, I'm thinking in my
mind, I didn't say this out loud, but I'm like this bitch,
she's gonna pick that shit up. She's gonna use it like she's
been, you know, last one fuckingcows all of her life.
Yeah, I'm. Really good at it, are you?
Oxy. Showed me how to do it just cuz
I you know, I've never even handled 1 before.

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So that's a, you know, it was a fun experience.
And it's a big one. It's a big long like 8 foot
fucking whip. Yeah, I think she had to modify
the way she was. Using it around my arm, Yeah,
because it was hitting the. Roof yeah, understandable,
because I was like telling her Iwas like, go outside and
practice with it. You know, you have, you know,
free range, I said, but watch out, you could hit your face

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with it. That's that's the bitch, right?
You hit your arm. I did when I was, you know,
messing with it a little bit. It definitely came back and, you
know, hit me in the arm. I was like, OK, lesson learned,
you know, don't flick it that way anymore.
So you came in here and loses. Before you start, ask him to see
his ass. I'm like, and I saw it and it
looks like we're all fucking me.It's pretty gnarly, but I'm a

(03:49):
little bit of a pain slut so that's what I needed today.
Doesn't even. Look when he.
Really hurts. He starts laughing like a joker.
I like that. That's cool.
So yeah, I'm not exactly sure why, but I.
Did the same thing when I'm in when I'm in an uncomfortable
situation, I'll start laughing. Yeah, maybe it's like the.
Same. It could be like I said it, it

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doesn't happen to me a whole lot.
It just takes certain situations.
But I almost feel like it's, youknow, the the movie American
gangster or whatever, Somebody would have messed with me.
Go my man. It's just my response to go, OK,
come on, bring it on. Let's let's see.
Let's see what else you got. So what exactly happened in this

(04:30):
session? Some mistakes were pointed out
and maybe I was not wanting to accept that those were mistakes
and maybe I continued the game alittle bit it.
Taunted me. I was going.
To say it sounds a little passive aggressive there PO.
Look, if passive aggressive was the Kingdom I would have a

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castle. Yes, you clearly would.
You got a lot of real estate right there.
You know, I like it when you canjust put out something there and
people have to really question, was that a dig or was that just
me misconstruing it? And most of the time it was a
Dick. It's a Dick.
It's a Dick. Andy, I remember the first time
he called my name because he thought that it's not live time

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anymore. Yeah, when you talk to me, it's
always live time. I've been corrected.
I yeah, I've been corrected and been pointed out.
My mistake. Are you getting too comfortable?
No, not at all. Like what she just did to my
butt in this wooden chair. There's no way I can get
comfortable right now, you know?I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I thought you meant something.

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Else, no, not in the physical sense.
Not in the physical sense. Are you getting too comfortable
the fact that you're calling herfor her actual given name?
That's, that's a fair, fair question.
Yes, it is. And I'm I will not deny nor
confirm. My lawyer said don't.
So I, you know, I'm going to keep it close to the chest.
OK. Plausible deniability.

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You always could have that in life.
Yes, we do. So so you got in trouble and did
you, did you go into your, your mode of being your typical four
or five year old little boy of little PO?
No, those are like, like I said,little PO is, you know, more of
the four or five year old when I'm in subspace from like impact

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play. It's it's a it's a totally
different mindset. It's more subspace, just needing
some type of release, just needing to feel something a
little differently. And so that's kind of where my
mind goes to, you know, during those particular scenes said not
looking for nurturing or caught.Well, maybe after an intense

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scene, you know, 5-10 minutes afterwards, you know, little
aftercare, you know that type ofthing.
But as far as in the scene, no, I want, I want no mercy.
So where do you think the passive aggressive becomes?
Where do you think that comes from?
I don't, that's a very good question.
I guess partly because I I'm think I'm clever and I can get
away with it. So as suppose if I just say it

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out and out very bluntly, what I'm thinking is probably not
going to go over well and. Manipulation.
Well, what do they say with comedians, with all comedians,
if you listen to their joke, there's always at least 10 to
25% truth in every joke that they say.
And that's kind of where I come at it from is if I can make you
laugh yet tell you the truth at the same time, I'm good, I'm

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golden. So that's, I think that's really
where it comes from is you got to add humor to the situation
because laugh or cry, that's youknow, that's where my mindset
goes to and I have. Other emotions in.
There. Well, if I'm happy, I'm going to
laugh. I guess.
I do. Do you think you enjoy being
passive aggressive with that? Oh, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, don't get me wrong, it'snot like all the time, but
there's certain situations whereI'm like, I'm going to see if
they can figure out what I'm saying.
And if they figure out what I'm saying, then I'm OK.
Yeah, I actually respect your intelligence and you got what I
was doing. Sometimes they don't get it and
you just go, OK, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep pushing
this button till eventually theyget it.

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All right, so Liv, what did you get from this the session today?
Well, I never went that hard before.
And I was getting to a point where I'm like feeling bad for
him, like because he kept laughing.
But then there was a particular laugh that I knew like, we need
to stop here because it was the particular laugh.
I don't know. I couldn't, I've never heard it
before. So I was like, OK, we're done.

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And then I just laid him on the couch and just gave aftercare.
And it was like it was an intense scene for me as well.
So do you think that you needed the discipline?
Yeah, I mean, I just needed something to, I guess, something
to bring me back to reality, something to go, OK, this is the
here and now, Stop looking for what's going to happen and just
do this moment. And you know, my theory is you
can get through anything 10 seconds at a time.

(08:50):
You get through 10 seconds at a time.
Eventually 10 seconds time 6 is 6.
You can get through a minute. So like I said, those have a way
of just kind of grounding me andgoing, OK.
Were you when you were in trouble?
When you were little? Did you do that?
10 seconds. No, I didn't develop that until
I saw it in a movie one time andI was like, that's very clever.
And no, I mean, when you're whenI was little, I didn't feel like

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I had a whole lot of control over anything.
So if I don't have control over anything, well, then I can't
just tell my mind, OK, well, in 10 seconds, it's going to be
over because I can't control that situation versus now I'm an
adult. After 10 seconds, I'm like, I'm
fed up. I don't want to do this anymore.
I can just stand my butt up and walk away.
So that's where I started going,OK, let's do 10 seconds.

(09:33):
OK, we're still alive. We're still thriving.
Let's let's, let's keep going and see, you know, where it
takes me or what I can learn from that particular, you know,
situation. I was going to say when you said
the 10 seconds thing, that's typically when a therapist would
tell a patient, yeah, is that they can make it and be in
control and those, those very short moments.
But I was going to say earlier, you're passive aggressive.

(09:55):
You just said it. You didn't have control as a
child. And when you are being clever,
you said a lot of keywords and that being clever and passive
aggressive. And if they catch on and you
know, and that's what's something you really couldn't do
as a child, obviously. Yeah, definitely not.
And you know, with this situation with, you know, I love

(10:17):
my family dearly. I respect my family, dear, you
know, but you know, you know, bio dad left when I was really
young, so just mom, she of course she had to work.
So there wasn't a whole lot of connection there because she
wasn't, you know, around a wholelot.
Now. She was doing a lot to try and
keep us, you know, fed and in a house and and all that, you

(10:37):
know, all that jazz. But yeah, you really didn't have
that to be able to go. OK, well, here's how you're
really supposed to deal with this.
And you're supposed to just havea calm conversation and figure
out, OK, well, what can we do from here?
So yeah, so you just kind of develop your own ways of coping
with with what's going on. And like I said, humour has
always been my huge coping mechanism and a defence

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mechanism as well. Well, he just said it.
He didn't form a very good connection with your mother.
And anytime that I've ever talked to anyone that's into
ABDL, they always try to justifyand be and you were very kind to
say my mother worked a lot. She was single mother.
We didn't form that connection. And you know, I get personal on
the podcast. Sure, sure, you know, but that's

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what happens is when you don't form that connection.
That's why you always want to goback to those times, yeah.
No, and that makes perfect. So, you know, that's, you know,
the very first time I ever came here was I was telling you, OK,
I, I'm pretty sure that I am into impact play because here
again, busy, She was busy all that type of thing, but did seem
like the only time that I would get time with her was whenever I

(11:43):
was getting disciplined. Yeah.
So, yeah. So I don't know.
That's yeah, don't know if that's just my OK.
So this is like, yeah, I guess. So how I got attention that I
received attention, therefore, OK, this is how later in life
now I go, oh, I want to relive that because that's the
foundation or the establishment of how I learned to receive
attention. And, you know, I'm sure that has

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to do with the ABDL thing too, where it's now done your own.
That probably has a lot to do with biodathlete, you know, all
that, all that jazz. But yeah, I'm sure that it was
that was probably how I got the most attention when I was, you
know, a toddler and an infant, you know, because that just
makes sense. You have to pay constant
attention to them at that point.But it's very interesting the

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the psychology and the, you know, when you really think
about, OK, well, why do I like this?
Why do I dislike this? There's some things I'm like, I
have no idea. Yes, this is just the way God
made me. But yeah.
Really doesn't even matter to you because a lot of people it
doesn't. It kind of does to me because
like I said, I, I thrive on intellectual stimulation.

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I, I respect to people if they can outsmart me more than if
they just are a yes man, no man kind of thing where it's just
like, oh, I agree with you, I agree with you, agree with you.
You can actually outthink me andI'm not trying to be OK.
You like the challenge? I do intellectual domination, I
guess is you know, where kind ofgoes into not the humiliation
and degradation part of it, but just being able to be, oh, they

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out pumped me. OK, OK.
Well. I've talked to crossdressers,
for example, right? And a lot of them, I'm just
like, God, you know, this is what your mother did to you.
This is what, you know, your father or situation.
And they're like, Oh no, I don'twant to talk about that.
I don't care. I love my life, right?
But if you want to get analytical, by all means, if

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there's something you'd questionyou know as to why you do them,
we're always happy to break thatdown.
Yes, yeah. And some things I'm sure that,
you know, once I figure it out, I'm like, OK, now it doesn't
necessarily help me accept or reject something.
I just my mind is naturally curious as to, but I get that
way about everybody because I'm very, I'm very empathetic

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person. And so, you know, being
empathetic, you know, you're putting yourself in their shoes.
It's in order to do that, I haveto figure out why they're acting
the way that they are or why they do what they do.
And then I can put myself in their shoes and go, OK, well,
that's so it makes sense that I would do it to myself as well to
go, OK, well, why? And then that helps me also

(14:13):
figure out triggers, you know, OK, I did this and then I did
this. Let me look at this.
Oh, that's why I did that. Oh, and it all makes sense at
that point. Self discovery, I guess.
And sad that, you know, it took me this many years to, you know,
to dive into that self discovery, but I'm glad I did.

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I was going to say. And you know, sometimes your
mind just isn't ready for it. So I, I know sometimes it's
unfortunate, especially when you, you think you waste time in
life or you waste time with someone you know, but in
actuality, I think it just fallsin a place when it's supposed
to. Yeah, no, I believe everything
happens for a reason. I don't, you know, God, Destiny,

(14:56):
sure. Like, I mean, you know, whatever
you believe, there's ultimately something that's supposed to
happen and everything's going tolie and eventually to make that
happen, you can fight it, but it's still going to happen.
So, you know, just gotta, you know, come to grips within your
mind and go, OK, well, make the best out of the situation.
So you've been coming to the dungeon now for several months?
It's been quite some time. That's been what, 7?

(15:18):
8 So it was December, I believe was when I first came.
I was trying to think about it cuz when I got home, I had to go
through my my podcast list and go, OK, well, I where was I
first kind of mentioned. And at that point, y'all were
about a week, you know, behind in the podcast.
So judging from that day, I believe it was more towards like

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the beginning of December, maybemiddle of December.
Gotcha. But it's a great experience.
Like I said, you learn a lot about yourself down there.
Some things you like, some things you don't like, but you
figure out what you don't like, then you can't figure out what
to work on. What has kind of stuck out to
you? Confident yeah, that's because
you can use that in all aspects of your life.
But I I really can't explain it why getting beat, you know,

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having your your butt look like a sack of meat can give you
confidence, but or you know, AB dealing out and give you I don't
I don't know. Do you think it's because we
accept you in a non sentimental way?
I mean, I think that's definitely part of it.
And it just may be that through y'all accepting it, I can also
start to accept myself and go. I did it, but the world's still

(16:29):
turning. Not hurting anybody.
Not me. I'm getting hurt a little bit,
but I enjoy it. So am I really getting hurt, you
know? But yeah, so I think it's
definitely, you know, and that'sone of the even, you know, when
I sit my, you know, my roommate,you know, this way, it was all
about, you know, trust me, they're very accepting and
they're not gonna, they're gonnamake you feel less than and

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they're probably gonna celebrateyou for your differences.
And that's that's a very specialthing because it doesn't happen
lot in the world. It's entirely.
True. Yeah, I've been kicked out of
two churches, but I've never been kicked out of a dungeon.
You know, say it like so. You know, there's got to be
something there. Oh my gosh, the organized
religion and what it does. People have no idea how

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sometimes how bad it can be. I love the the good messages,
the the love peace, love your neighbor like yourself.
But I hate the the fear factor part of it going well, but you
know, if you don't do everythingexactly right, you know where
you're going and you're gonna suffer for.
And it's just like if you reallyhave to bring that into it, I'd.
Be sad when you're suffering. Yeah, and but you know, if

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you're the whole, you know, train up a child the way they
should go more of well, if you convince a child this, they have
a lot harder time when they're an adult detaching from that
thought because that's the only thing they believe they're
alive. So it can get a little, you
know. Yeah, definitely a little harder
if, you know, we're raised that.But like I said, there's still
some really good organizations out there.

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There's still some, you know, people that I really respect
that's in that lifestyle. But like I said, my church at
this point is, you know, isn't in that dungeon.
Because that's where I find peace.
I find healing, I find just motivation.
You have to keep going, I hope. Your quality of life and what
you have accomplished about yourself and seeing yourself,
you know has improved since coming to the dungeon.
I you know, that's always the goal is that people can, can

(18:17):
feel a better quality about themselves and and their outlook
and life and what to expect. Yeah, no, I, I would definitely
say, you know, mission achieved on that.
But, you know, I, I know there'sstill so much more that I can, I
can learn. There's still so much more that
I can, you know, figure out. So like I said, I'm always
saying I look forward to the next chapter, not because I'm
not enjoying what I'm going through now, but if it's this

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good already, we know that the end of the book is always the
best part or the climax. The climax.
You know, is is the best part, gives you some problems, that
type of stuff. I don't think I've even reached
that point in the in the journeyyet.
And that's, that's exciting. That's wonderful.
Do you see your in the next 6 months?
Do you see yourself dating? I know we mentioned this before,
but. I I mean the, the concept of it

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yes. So I believe I've told you
before I have you know, I have ADHD it's pretty you know, one
of the symptoms of ADHD is ADHD paralysis, which means that
you're giving a situation given a problem and you you've thought
so much in your head about everything that you have to do
that eventually you go that's that's too much.
You just freeze up and I think that's kind of what's happened

(19:21):
in the dating World Team where it's try that it didn't work
here, it didn't work here. You know, I'm not even sure
where to start at this point or where to find, you know,
somebody that our values and ourmorals would, you know, connect.
So I just gotta go. I don't know what to do and just
kind of put it in the back of mymind.
Maybe it'll happen. I would love for it to happen,
but I've also got to be realistic with myself and go.

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And here again, I'm still tryingto figure out myself and figure
out what my wants and my needs are at this point.
And I don't know if it'd be wiseto try and start a relationship
if I don't. You gotta love yourself first.
I think it's the best way to say.
And yes, I'm starting that process, but I still think
there's some more love to find because.
My question is, I know we had talked before and I said well,
you know, there's there's an ageplayer group here locally.

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Have you gone to any of those events yet?
I reached. I reached out.
Ninja. There you go.
I reached out to him. Very pleasant fella.
See some of the events that are coming up.
There are at least one or two that I'm like, OK, I want to try
that out just to see, you know, what's out there and except who
else is out there in the community And think it would be
a very interesting thing to to explore more of.

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Because like I said, it's such ataboo subject that it's very
hard to get knowledgeable peopleto be able to say, oh, this is
this, this is that, you know, this is how we do this.
This is how we do that. And to have an organization
that's already established and they kind of already trust each
other. That's that's, that's great.
Would you possibly possibly see yourself with like the mommy Dom
or would it be like maybe a another age player?

(20:47):
I mean, that's, that's an interesting question.
The I mean, both of those have very appealing parts of them.
Yeah, I mean the, you know, the,the big little, the caregiver
little, you know, role. Yeah, that that that's awesome
too. Just playing with others.
That's awesome too. I wouldn't even mind the the
daddy little part. Like there's I can see all of

(21:08):
the parts of it being, you know,cohesive, stimulating to to to
learn more about. But until I kind of get in there
and go OK, this is what's, you know, available.
This is what's, you know, you can do and that kind of stuff.
I'm not, I don't know if I can form an opinion until, you know,
I'm like, I had no idea, you know, if you asked me the first
day or what's your favorite implement?
What's your favorite position? You tell me, you know, so I have

(21:32):
a feeling it's, you know, this world is probably gonna be the
same thing. And but I know how much fun I've
had exploring this world. So why can't apply it to this
other world and, you know, explore that a little bit?
I always tell people, you know, when they're starting in the
BDSM lifestyle, go to any and every event you can, go anywhere
you can. They have, you know, these
groups and the more people you meet, a more normal, you'll

(21:53):
actually feel. It's incredible what it has that
effect on you, you know, and howit makes you feel, you know,
just being around people that are like you.
I could see that being around life minded people.
That's why people go to a churchis because, oh, you believe what
I believe so. Fellowship of the Lord.
I could say I could definitely see that.
That's one of the reasons why when I realize someone on fat

(22:15):
life goes here, I'm more prone to reaching out.
You know, I've reached out to several of the Flavorites just
to, you know, go, hey, what's going on?
I know you go here. I know you know this type of
situation and you know, appreciate you, you know, coming
and all that good stuff. And tell me a little bit more
about you. What are you, you know what,
what got you into this? What you know, what is your mode
of apparatus? What's why, why do you do what

(22:37):
you do that type of thing? And what do you enjoy doing?
Mostly because I know I enjoy this, but I might enjoy this.
I just don't know this exists yet.
Well, at some point, I haven't said this to Liv, but I'm saying
it to you now. I'm doing, I'm going to do a
munch and Liv and I are going tohost it and we'll, we'll meet
somewhere. I was thinking about doing like
a karaoke bar or something fun and really just making an

(23:01):
introduction with a lot of people.
A lot of people have reached outand are they're just like, you
know, Mia, when's your next party?
And I'm like, no, not doing a party right now, right?
But we're going to do it like anopen dungeon night.
We'll do something like that. I've thought about demos.
So something will be here for the for the summer for people.
But we're going to do a munch soon.

(23:22):
That's awesome. And then?
That way you can get out and youcan meet other people.
And like I said, there's such a level of normalcy, you know, in
our lifestyle there. So it's fun.
Yeah, that would definitely be interesting.
And some of the, you know, the demo classes, that would be a
lot of fun too, because here again, like I said, you don't,
you don't know what you don't know until you know it.
And so, so yeah, that would be alot of fun too.

(23:43):
Just go oh, I never thought of that.
So typically on the daily when, when Charles is here in town,
you know, Liv and I always talk and we talk to Charles and we go
round and round, you know, and he's kind of like the Debbie
Downer of the group. Or Charles he.
Thinks that I mean to him lately.
Yes, yes, because Liv will kind of reprimand him on him being a

(24:05):
Debbie Downer, right And so Liv and I kind of like decompress
and we're like, okay, Charles, let's break it down.
But the reason why I'm saying this is, and I asked you about
dating is because we had a gentleman that came in to the
dungeon here recently. And he's I think he's 2930, you

(24:28):
know, but he is struggling on somany levels because one minute
he wants to be a Sissy, next minute he's thinking trans, next
minute he's thinking crossdresser.
You know, he went through a failed relationship where he
moved out of state, moved here, she dumped him.
He's here on his own. It happened.
And he's just kind of like all over and, you know, making

(24:51):
choices he wants. And Charles, he's a bitter, a
little bitter bitch because he's48 and he knows, like I know
that when you don't find that person who is accepting in the
lifestyle, you kind of become a bitter bitch when you can't find
that perfect person for you. And it's it's hard because, you

(25:15):
know, he's dated and he'll tell you he's dated a lot of vanilla
women. But then he's dated some, you
know, hot hoe over in Thailand who basically entered their
relationship and you know, it was your weird sex.
Good luck with that. You know, it's that kind of
shit. So he's gone through a lot, but
my point of it is it's like he'stravelled all over, still has

(25:39):
never found that perfect person,you know, he thinks I'm the
perfect Dom for him and I'm happy to own him.
I'll collar him and you know, I'll be bossing around when he's
70 and still having to clean my garbage cans, you know.
But I always try to tell people,just give them hope that there's

(25:59):
always somebody out there. But I know it's such a struggle.
And for this person that I just met recently, I, I don't know, I
just have a special place in my heart for people like him.
Because I, I feel like sometimesit's such a hindrance being in
this lifestyle and wanting thesethings and wanting.
It's more of saying fetish or kink, right?

(26:22):
You know, it's saying this is part of me, Yes.
It's so hard to find that personwho's accepting.
I could, I could definitely. Yeah.
No, it's it's definitely this aspect of my life is, you know,
it's it's it's a blessing and a curse.
I love what? But yeah, I don't.

(26:43):
I think the most important thingis to be content.
I know people. Oh, no, you shouldn't be
content. You need to be happy and you
need to be. Yes, I agree that that's the
ultimate goal is just to be overthe moon ecstatic with your
situation. But sometimes you do have to be
a little bit of a realist and go, OK, it might not happen.

(27:06):
If it doesn't happen, how are you?
What's your mindset? Yeah.
Of what are you? What are you going to do?
What you know. And ultimately, I can control
me. I wish I could control everybody
in my life and I could, you know, be the puppet master and,
you know, but I haven't, I haven't learned that skill yet
and I don't think it exists. So you just gotta go.

(27:28):
OK, well, maybe I'm not as blessed in this area, but damn,
I'm blessed in this area. And this part's really good too.
Oh, and I get to do this. OK, That's, that's, that's a 6th
of my life. But the five 6th of it is so
much more than that 1/6 at this point that OK, you know, if it
happens, fucking awesome. If it doesn't happen, fucking
awesome. Because here again, everything

(27:49):
is orchestrated. And if it doesn't happen,
there's a reason why it didn't happen, and you've got to
accept. That this is what we have to go
through sometimes. That's that's you know, that's
life. I used to think that it gets
easier as you get older because you figure out things.
And I figured out the older thatI get, the more the answer of I

(28:09):
don't know comes out of my lips a lot more now because when
you're younger, you think you know everything and you know
exactly what's going to happen. And as you get older, you get
proven wrong a couple times and you go, OK, no, I don't know.
I don't know. I really don't know at this
point. I'm not going to be proven wrong
by life again. Well, I, I look at, like I said,
that part of your life that you love and doing the ABDL and I, I

(28:35):
have so much hope because I think of Mama Peach.
No, I love her. Don't you love this woman?
I love her. I've listened to tons of
interviews on tons of different programming.
And like I said, every time thatI am like, OK.
And I love that she really enjoys what she does.
Yeah. You know, you can tell, you
know, when when she's given an interview and.

(28:56):
Yeah. Yeah.
Does she make a little block of change while she's doing it?
Of course. But she should.
Exactly. Yeah.
But she just like you guys help us be able to accept ourselves.
She's able to do it just to a more specific category of
people. And you know, I can't help but
be thankful for people like thatin the world.
So it's a special skill to be able to go good.
Don't stop. Stop being negative.

(29:17):
Stop being mean to my friend. You're my friend.
Stop it. That's very true.
But Mama Peach, she is just, I just love her.
We've we did a couple of interviews with her and I think
we, I think Liv and I need to doanother interview with her.
She's just such a beautiful soul.
Just to watch her interview. We need to do an interview with
her. I'll reach out to her.
Oh. I.
Haven't. No.

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No, it was, I think it's maybe 3-4 months before you were, you
were here that there was an interview done.
Yeah, it's quite some time. Yeah.
But yeah, she's a lovely lady. She travels.
She used to be a nurse and she got into the adult baby through
her husband. They got married, they've had
children. They post all their pictures,

(29:59):
you know, on fit that they take.And, you know, there's a picture
of her and I post it before on my WordPress and that kind of
thing for the show. And it's her whole little Grover
from Sesame Street is a baby andI'm like, Oh my God, she said.
She's a cute little petite blonde and she just, she's so
fucking adorable. But I love her 50s, like,
outfits that she wears it. It's just something about, yeah,

(30:20):
the, the Opie and Andy, you know, it's just, I don't know,
something about it. Like I like it.
It's so adorable. She is so stinking cute.
Sir Doofus, he's come to see us and he's actually made us
pictures of ourselves. And you know, I'm, I'm like Big
Mama in the middle holding a massager.

(30:41):
I saw that. I saw that picture down there.
It's it was, it was quite a quite creative.
It's adorable. Yeah, it's adorable.
He sits there in colors and I'm like, Oh my God, it's so fucking
cute. And you know, sometimes you
don't realize how old you are, but I'm in there in the dungeon
and Liv and I did the session one time together, and I'm

(31:01):
sitting there and I'm petting his hair.
I'm like, oh, even, you know, And after the session, she's
like, you know, you're old enough to be his mother.
And I was like, I'm sorry, but you'll.
Have the same. Year you look you.
Look like your child. He was so into the moment.
Like, yeah, I've never seen likea little get that deep into his

(31:23):
little before. Yeah, but he was just like so in
his element and then you were like so in your element and then
all blended I was. Because I, you know, I never had
children, but I always had nieces and nephews and, you
know, and you ask all my nieces and nephews and I've always been
the favorite aunt with all of them.
I, I love them all. But, you know, we would always
do scary story night and, you know, I'd make them tense in the

(31:46):
house, right? You know, read them stories.
And you know, we just, it was a great time.
Equivalent of the Funko. I don't know what you call it
when you're the fun Ant fan. I don't know what you would call
that. That sounds dirty.
Get your fans over here. Gosh, either way, fun times, but

(32:11):
it you know, it's always a pleasure and I just hope that
that you continue to grow and, you know, find the perfect you
that you want to be, you know. That's it.
Life's a journey. I mean, it really is.
And like I said, if you would have asked me, hey, you know,
five years ago, hey, you think you're going to be in a dungeon
and you think you're going to be, you know, doing a podcast
about done it. Like why what?

(32:31):
You know, So yeah, life is it's,it's a roller coaster, but you
just got to enjoy the the peaks of it and the thrill of going
down sometimes is, you know, it's, it's fun too.
Just when you hit that bottom, it's, you know.
It's a motherfucker. It, it is a motherfucker, but
like I said, it's embrace it. It's, it's a process.
And just like when you're young and you know your, your legs and

(32:54):
'cause you're starting to grow and mature, you get growing
pains. It's the same way, you know, in,
in life. Let's just embrace it and enjoy
it and try to find the the beauty in it and it'll make the
process worth it. Well, you're an awesome person.
I hope you realize that I. Appreciate it.
You are, you're an awesome person.
And you know, Liv and I, we always talk, you know, we always
talk about every person we meet that comes in the dungeon.

(33:15):
You always stick out to us as you know, she's, she's had
wonderful times, you know, and seeing your growth, you know,
you've talked about your journaling, you know, and to me,
you've, you've come so much further, like you said, you
know. Yeah, and 99% of it has been
complete fun and, and just everything, there's that 1%.
We're here again. You get the growing pains just

(33:36):
like any form of therapy where you have to really look in and
go, I didn't realize that part was still there.
And you work through it and focus back on the 99%
eventually. But yeah, it's said anybody out
there that needs to find a placethat, you know, just really
accepting has a great group of people telling you, stop wasting
time, get here, you'll be glad you did.
Right, one of our one of our very good clients said the other

(33:58):
day and he's like, I'm just disappointed that I waited two
years to come here. I was doubt on y'all the first
time. You weren't supposed to go,
really. You weren't supposed to agree
with me. No, because you told me.
Before I couldn't remember if I told you you.
Said you were so close and you're right.
Yeah, yeah. And all the time.
I don't, I don't know. I just, I think it was, you

(34:18):
know, I just got in my own head and then then once I think it
was more of a well and I don't want to go there and embarrass
myself. So I'm going to go to to Alabama
and I'm going to go see this life coach disciplinarian
person. And once I did that, then I came
back, I was like, OK, but the dungeon is completely different

(34:40):
experience to that. Yeah.
So. But yeah.
Well, what did the life coach tell you?
Really it was more of a you givethem the scene that you want to
reenact and they reenact it. So I mean, I didn't go down the

(35:02):
life coach aspect of it. I just went down the OK, I'm
pretty sure I'm going to enjoy this, but I wanted to make sure
that I was going to enjoy the impact play before.
Coach Coaches do impact. They whip you.
If you're that certain type of, you know, life coach, then I I
suppose so, you know, but honestly, I kind of consider you

(35:23):
a life coach. Oh, OK.
So I mean, it just means that, hey, I see certain aspects in
your your life that maybe this is hindering you.
Maybe this is stopping you. Let's talk about that.
Let's figure out how we can either do this or not do this.
Like with my smoking, you know, I straight up told you I do not
have the strength to do it myself.
I just, I know me. But once we introduce it into

(35:45):
the game, OK, well, now it's a challenge and OK, I can play the
game. I like to play the game my
favorite time of the week. But so it was just a that's
that's the life coaching part where you go, OK, he needs us to
be a game. So yeah.
But yes, so they do. And like I said, cheap.
It's the ones where, you know, they they're willing to like,
even if you live out of state orwhatnot, they'll call you once a

(36:07):
week and go, hey, how's your progress?
How's this going? OK, then we need to address
that. And her style just happened to
be, you know, disciplinarian style, you know, really nice
lady. Just wasn't my ultimate cup of
tea. So I had a little taste before
you got here. Yeah, exactly, Exactly.
And, you know, I always say thisis my first dungeon experience

(36:29):
because, like I said, she wasn'ta dungeon.
It was just a I'm just plenty ofrain.
You tell me what you need and we'll try and beat that out of
you. And you know, I enjoyed that a
little bit, but I like some sensual stuff in there.
Even out again too. I am a guy.

(36:53):
Speaking of that, you know, what's interesting is Liv and I,
it's like separating ourselves alot of times when we go in that
dungeon, because we're in that dungeon, I'm Mia, she's live.
This is what we do. This is the agenda, this is the
plan. And it's interesting because we
did that one session with Doofusand afterwards he went back to

(37:19):
his self, being his normal self.I've said this before on the
podcast and it weirded her out because she she was like well
wait a minute he's not a 18 month old baby anymore.
Like what the fuck just happened?
I'm like, he's cussing, yes. And he's like a normal like
person. Right.
Yeah. And I'm like, shoot you a little

(37:39):
baby now. He came in a baby.
This is the first baby I ever had right in a baby and I
didn't. I guess I just didn't notice.
He came in a baby, but he left aman and that.
Yeah, we did you out a little bit and.
That wasn't, I didn't, I didn't know.
I don't know. Yeah.
I was like, why cuss? Like it almost felt dirty that

(38:01):
he was cussing. Right.
Actually, the whole thing felt. Dirty.
I remember that story, me reaching down the diet and, you
know, yeah. So yeah, there's yeah.
Vibrator. I get it.
You're going that's that's an innocent baby.
What are you doing? That innocent baby down.
There, Yeah. That's why Tuck in this diaper.
I wasn't doing anything with it.I was just like, OK, here's his

(38:22):
medicine. We're not.
We're not going to do anything about it.
It's just there, you know that's.
It, that's it. If you choose to partake in it,
OK. He's almost two years old.
They do do things like that so. You know, I've heard, I've never
had kids, but I've heard storiesof that as well.
They have body curiosity. It's OK.

(38:43):
That's it. Every young lady had that
favorite pillow or that stuffed animal.
Oh yeah. So that's funny shit.
You know, it's funny, but it's funny.
I don't know the beating, so I'mI'm trying not to laugh.
It is he. Wants another.

(39:04):
Beating. Right now, look.
See. I want to take a picture of it
freely. That's I'm going to beat you
some more in the dungeon before you leave.
It's OK if you draw blood. I know.
Yeah. It's broken down his butt.
I wasn't. Scared of the blood?
I'm good. I'm glad you're not scared.

(39:26):
I was like, this one's got bloodon.
It she broke one of my paddles. Oh yeah.
My acrylic paddle like it's one of my favorites and.
Wow. I've got to stop working out
back there, it's getting too hard.
See, I saw the acrylic paddle molds on Amazon, and I was
talking to Barbie about it, and Barbie's like, oh, it's too

(39:48):
complicated. You have to have all these
chemicals, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, but Barbie, you'd be
so cool. But, you know, she's very
artistic and she does all sorts of things.
And I immediately thought of youwith your acrylic paddle.
But we have an extra acrylic paddle in the in the tension.
Yeah, we had pulled it out. Of the box and you're like why
is this in the box? I'm like I hide it so it doesn't

(40:09):
get taken at parties. But it was it's a clear 1 and it
has weird things in it that my friend put in there and he made
it for me. It has all.
Sent it to the. Flower one.
Yeah, there's flowers in it. Yeah.
It's like dried flowers. It's really cool looking.
But anywho, the one time, I think at the very beginning,
when when you and Liv started your session, there was a point

(40:29):
where you went back to being theadult.
And she's like my little Poe. He's like a man.
And I was like, like, yes. And he has a job and a
functioning adult. She's like, I know, but he's a
little boy. No, I've, and it's usually in
times where I have two responses.
The world's against you. Let's go ABDL mode.

(40:50):
OK, now the world's really against you.
All right, You got to get some shit done.
Put on your big boy panties. Yeah, face it.
And let's let's make this work. And I I can't go into ABDL
because if I go into that or I go into sub mode, I'm going to
get taken advantage of. So I have to be the manly man at
that moment and go no, that's I can't be nice guy right now.
I hate that the world does that,but it does.

(41:12):
And so, yeah. So there's sometimes, yeah.
You just got to, you got to flipthat personality.
And, you know, it's an aspect ofme, you know, just like, you
know, Eminem has what, Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, all
those different components. And yeah.
You also have to fuck that mother.
And he didn't learn to cope initially because he suffered
with drug addiction. Yeah, he's, yeah, he's had

(41:34):
issues. He definitely has, but he he
seems like he's in a really goodplace now.
I mean, from, from everything that I've seen about him and,
and he's still clever as shit. So I have to use AI, All my
stuff. You can just flip it off the
tongue. Yeah, I'm sure he can flip a lot
of. I'm just saying I'll do whatever

(41:59):
with Eminem. I don't give a fuck.
I love Marshall Mathers. Really short.
Marshall Mathers is not really short.
I know that he's not well endowed because his ex-wife kind
of outed him with that. Well doesn't every ex-wife say
something like that? I mean.
But you know, he was just kind of open about it.
He's like, I don't give a fuck. He.
He shouldn't. He doesn't matter.
Yeah, my understanding is from his his perspective, he likes to

(42:21):
call himself out before you could call him out percent
because it takes the power away.Yeah, but for him.
I I like that point of view. Absolutely.
I think he's fucking fantastic. Yes.
I'll do whatever Marshall Mathers wants.
I guess she's saying so he's on your hall pass list, you know,
but I I got I get it if he. Likes big brunettes?
I'm all in. I get.
It I get it, Reese Witherspoon. OK, come on.

(42:44):
I love it. Come on.
Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh.
Yeah, he likes him young, though.
Yeah, he does. I'm young, bitch.
I know, but you're 30. He likes 2324.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Just saying like he liked.
Them all. Oh, it's gonna happen sometime

(43:05):
in life. Just just embrace it.
Just say, oh, she meant more mature and in attitude and in
spirit. That was not a drive.
You know it's not the right kid at you.
I love you, but you're too good for Leo.
Yeah, I know. He does go.
He breaks. Him up with.
Him he does. He does, he does.
It's it's a little. Bit I don't like him, I probably
like his acting. You know what I love my husband

(43:27):
was wonderful about this becausehe loves older women, hence I'm
much older than him. I love that.
But so. So him and his dad.
Yeah. Him and his dad and I, we were
just talking just in very cavalier conversation.
And his dad's like, oh, yeah. Cameron Diaz.
So when you said Reese Witherspoon, yeah.
So he's like his dad is is 60 now.

(43:48):
And he's like, oh, yeah. Cameron Diaz all the way younger
Cameron Diaz. Oh, no, he doesn't care.
He's Cameron Diaz, Period. No, my husband.
Oh, Jessica Lange now. OK, OK.
She's 70. OK, Jessica Lange.
OK. Alright.
Jessica Alba. Oh yeah, she's beautiful too.
Yeah, yeah. Came where he is.
Anybody else? Mine was Reese Witherspoon.

(44:09):
Oh yes, of course I got blonde to my.
I can take on some Cameron too. That would be fun.
Halle Berry absolutely. You know, I mean, that's just
like a. That's a given.
We see the same time. I love it.
It's a given. Yeah, hot in nobody, girl, how

(44:30):
could you not? Love it, love it, and I'm sure
there are many more on that listand there will be more on that
list basically. Yeah, it's getting hot in here.
OK, so anywho PO, it's been a pleasure.
As always, I, you know, love it when you give me the opportunity
to come up here and chat with y'all.
And yeah, like I said, it's a lot of fun.

(44:52):
I appreciate it. Anytime.
I also heard that you might possibly want 2 Doms, so you
might you. Know.
You might have to pick another lady.
I, you know, I, I don't know. After today's session, I better
be careful what I wish for. Yeah, but you know, if if the
opportunity presented itself, you know, it's always nice to
meet new people. Absolutely.

(45:12):
I think Evie would be a good fit.
Evie would, yeah. Evie's a lot of fun.
She actually started. She's got a great attitude.
She's funny as fuck. Yeah, she's.
Super cute. Man, I'm looking for, I think
you said the last podcast that you were eventually going to
interview her. And of course, I'm looking
forward to, you know, getting toknow her personality a little
bit. That'll be fun.

(45:33):
See some fresh blood and see a new perspective.
Well, you're gonna see some fresh blood later when you wash
your ass. Yeah, yeah.
And I'm wearing my favorite underwear too, so.
And I was like, oh. It just peroxide.
Right. No.
Fluoroxide. Yeah, no peroxide.
Yeah, it's right through the blood peroxide.
I know. I used to.
I used to give blood a lot and Ihad a vein there they would they

(45:55):
like to splatter, OK, that firstlittle prick.
And that's what they taught me there too, is maybe get on your
shirt. Little peroxide come right out.
Mine was usually from hitting people, but you.
Know Deep siege is on. All right, it's been great.
Liv. You're awesome as well.
You know that? Yeah.
I love her. She's wonderful.
She is. And I just.

(46:16):
Yeah. How much you love me?
Yeah. Last session.
Uh huh. Talking about I was gonna be
married into the family. She was just like, I don't care
what y'all think. You're getting married.
That's right. I'm planning the wedding.
All right, so until then, Poe, you're gonna say it today.
Yes. I'm gonna get to say it.
You're gonna get to say the callme mistress thing.

(46:36):
You can do it. You got a nice OK.
All right, let's go. All right.
So oh, thank you again. And until then, this has been
the latest episode of. Call me Mistress.