August 7, 2025 • 47 mins
WHAT IS YOUR MEANING OF BDSM? DO YOU REQUIRE A TITLE? WHAT IS YOUR CODE IN THE KINK LIFESTLYE? LISTEN AND ASK YOURSELF THE SAME QUESTIONS.. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT LIES BENEATH THE SURFACE.
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Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me Mistress.
I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, and I've got with me Madame Liv.
Good morning. Good morning, Liv.
And I've got over here with us. We've got the one, the only
Master Viper Lupo. How are we doing, my kinky
friends? All right, so we're here at the
Manor PO and we're going to talkabout this article that we
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found. And it was kind of interesting
because it had some really interesting questions and it it
was 30 days and questions of kink.
So I figured we could just go round and round.
Go for it. All right, so we can choose who
we want, or we can just go. You ask Liv and I'll ask you.
We'll do the circle jerk. I like it.
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What if I wanna jerk the other way around?
Well, you can't jerk him around today because he's got a lovely
little cage on. Oh, doesn't mean that I can't
electrocute his Dick. And that's very true.
True me, do you have jerky besides you you could jerk
around with? Uh huh.
That was terrible. It was she.
Even has a good thing get. Back in there didn't work with
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that on the blooper was. All right, so PO, let's start
her up #1 Dom sub switch. What parts of BDSM interest you?
Give us an interesting in depth definition of what that means to
you. Basically define your kinky self
for us. OK sub leaning switch would
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probably be the best. Meaning I'm a sub most of the
time. I really enjoy that, but at the
same time, there are certain opportunities that I do like to
express myself in a different way, you know, and, and Doming.
So I guess that would be the thedefinition to me.
As you know, the switch of course is does both, but because
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I'm more sub than Dom, it tasteslike a 75% sub, 25% Dom if I had
to break it down mathematically.So yeah, that's kind of where I
come at it. Right on, yeah.
All right. So do you want to ask Madame Liv
#2? Yes, it's going to be a big
list. List your kinks.
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List my kinks. I like being made to serve.
I like being told what to do in more of a sexual, sensual way.
Not necessarily just do chores. Go do chores, you know, could
you like? What you mean by that?
Being told what to do, as in to be told to do something that
makes me uncomfortable, as in doing a cold shower or doing
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something just to please them, you know, or him.
I also like to be stalked. I have fantasies of rape.
These are just fantasies, consensual fantasy.
I can, I don't, I don't think I can tone real rape.
I don't want to be really stalked and really raped.
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But, you know, the thought of itis it's really intriguing.
I like the forbidden fruit feeling.
Yeah. So I feel like that's my
majority ones. I don't really don't want to dig
too far into it. Everybody knows my kinks if they
listen to the podcast. Oh yeah.
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So #3 Liv you, you can ask me this.
How did you discover you were kinky?
Isn't that interesting? I think we all have that pivotal
moment, but I always go back to listening that Vanilla Ice song,
Stop that Train. And I honestly, I was 11-12
years old and you know, it's right there at your prepubescent
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years. And I was thinking, wow, he's
talking about going on a date, he goes back to her house, she
whips out the whips and the chains and game on.
And it freaked him the fuck out.But how have?
I never heard this whips. And chains.
You like to rap? I'm surprised.
No, that's what I'm saying. How did I not hear this song?
Yeah. It's like, stop that train.
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I wanna get off. Yeah, Look it up.
It's it's it's on. My new karaoke song.
Yeah, and he, he talks about howit was a great night, but then
all of a sudden they went back to her place and he is freaked
the fuck out because she wants to Dom him.
And he's like, stop this train. I want to get off.
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My God, I want to get out of here.
Choo Choo, baby. Let's go.
I know. But in that song, I would listen
to it over and over and over again.
And I just kept thinking, Oh my God, this is so hot, right?
But then I go back and I was like, I was 8 years old and my
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parents, we were, I was a latchkey kid, so parental
supervision was not anything that happened.
So I would go home and I would watch my parents old beta tapes
or we'd watch original HBO back in the day.
And so I'd get home and I would be like, what am I gonna watch?
Well, I'm really not gonna watchcartoons.
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What what can I find in mom and Dad's stash?
And I know you're automatically thinking, you know, softcore
porn. Yeah, you're actually right.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Of course, a couple of those days of my life, of course.
So it was hocus pocus and we're good to go.
But for me, when I was 8 years old, I used to masturbate to the
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scene in Animal House where Kevin Bacon was bent over at the
frat house. And the supervisor who was
another instructor there, he was.
They were all like in there, thered gowns, and it was all very
formal. And you could see the burning
fire. And he's bent over with this
huge ass paddle and he's spanking Kevin Bacon.
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And Kevin Bacon's like, oh, please, please, sure, man.
I have another place where I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, it
was on. It was game on like.
When I was 8. It's just that envisioned
thought of spanking and it wasn't me wanting to be the
spanky. It was me wanting to be the
spanker and like I want to spankhim and make him pay.
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Like I love that it was hot. I can still watch that scene.
I'm like, you know, Kevin Bacon was.
Sexy to watch it. I just need you to keep
describing it. And to top it off, they were all
fucking Whitey tighties so. Man after my own heart.
Right. It was like when Whitey tighties
were sexy. I could see like in the 70s,
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eighties right now. Now they have so many more, you
know, sexy forms of underwear for that.
But I mean, back in the day, youcould see fucking Kevin Bacon
bent over, taking that paddle. I was like, Oh yeah, do it for
Mama. So yeah, that was me.
I like that. That's a good, that's a good
story. I like.
It thank you, thank you. All right so the next one is for
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#4 and it is for Poe. Any early experiences that in
retrospect hint at your kinks? So any early experiences?
Well, I think you've talked a lot.
Of I say, yeah, I mean, if we'regoing back to the ABDL, then
yeah, I mean, said I was, you know, taking diapers, going into
the clothing rack and putting them on by everybody else was
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shopping. And that was fun too, because it
was a little taboo of, you know,I can do it, getting away with
it. And so, yeah, I would definitely
say. You know what I think too?
I think often because you were like, Oh yeah, Kmart.
You know you can go to Kmart andI.
Was the reason why they shut down.
You know, they were fucking awesome.
But you know, you and I and Madame Liv, we all grew up here.
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Wouldn't have been so strange that when we die, right?
Right. When we're saying at some point
in the eternal life, we're like,oh, yeah, you all crossed paths.
Remember that time? Hey, PO was over here at the
Kmart and he was grabbing diapers and you were over in the
cafeteria with your mom at Kmart.
Yeah, shopping those blue light specials, right?
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One of my friends, we always said Kmart had the raunchiest
lingerie sometimes for women. Like you wouldn't have known
this Pope, but I mean, back in the day you wouldn't have known
either, Liv. That's how fucking old I am.
But they had some, they had somelike next level raunchy ass
lingerie like. Yeah, what did they had a Kmart.
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Yeah, Kmart, I know it was bomb.Alright, go ahead Poe.
I got reposed to at a Kmart. Wow, how sexy is that?
Ohh, it was very sexy. I was in a Bucky.
I was inside the buggy. Wow.
I got a ring. How?
I had I was pregnant. No, I wasn't judging.
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I was thinking like maybe it waslike a cute story.
Like, you know, you were five and the boy you know was 6 and
y'all were like having a cute little moment, you know?
This is her as an adult. She was riding in the buggy.
I just got out of the hospital because I had round ligament
pains for my pregnancy and they had given me medicine that made
me really sleepy. OK, he puts me in a buggy
because he knows I can't walk and he takes me to the counter
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because it's a closing down Kmart and he tells me pick from,
pick a ring and I pick out a ring.
He didn't like the ring I pickedand there's only two choices.
And then I'm sorry, the fact that he goes when it is about to
close down when all their jewelry was already 70% off,
because I know when I was young in high school, that was the go
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to. I'm going Kmart.
Spent $400.00 on a $2000 ring. Wow, that.
Sounds about right, yeah. Wow, that's.
Supposed to. I never actually got asked, he
just said pick. Out a ring.
He was so romantic. Man.
After my own heart. Wow.
Yeah. What a douche.
You'd be like, hey, pick out a ring night.
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Maybe not that one, maybe the other one, the one I was picking
and it was like it was gold. I mean, it's not the best ring.
It's just. But between the two rings, you
know, I had two choices. It had a Redstone.
I thought it was pretty. Actually, I'm pretty sure I know
the exact ring you're talking about.
Did he at least take you to where the blue light was and try
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to propose to you under the bluelight like and?
Then since I was grumpy for being the buggy, the lady over
the counter said it's OK it's just cuz she's pregnant.
Like, you don't realize this is me you're supposed to, right?
I'll cut a bitch. What?
Wow, this is fun. Wow.
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But anyways. OK.
That's fine. OK, what are we on #5?
Cheers we're. On four.
Wait, no, no, it's 4, so we're gonna 5.
So what was your first kinky sexual experience?
If you had to have one yet, talkabout what you hope to have
happen. Well, I've had first
experiences. I haven't had a solo experience,
kind of like over a phone, like a guy told me to do something
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and I thought it was really kinky, going to put like a water
bottle into my butt hole and squeeze it like an enema and
then squirt it out on a camera. OK, it was hot.
I might think about it every now.
And then I'm not. It was a nice video, but it was,
it was, yeah, it was something, but it was a nice video.
It wasn't dirty water. You know, live with you on any
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type of video. You underestimate how sexy you
really are because I'm telling you, imprinted in my brain is
still some of the hottest videos.
Just saying OK, you might have missed your calling for porn.
Just saying. Oh, well, thank you.
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That's a high compliment. I know.
Now, my first experience with a man was, you know, I've always
wanted to be whipped, always hadthose fantasies, right.
And then he had whips that he had made and he was whipping me
and had me in the my head, my face in the thing.
I couldn't breathe. And he smacks me just right
where it smacks me right on my pussy.
And it swelled up so big. So fast.
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It was the worst Jesus. Yeah, yeah.
If you're not ready for that one, yeah, that's not it.
Didn't. Turn me away from it, obviously,
but you know, I was. Like, and some people, yeah,
some people like that experience.
He didn't mean to do it right. It was an accident.
Yeah, Well, I would assume it's kind of like CBT where it's
like, yeah, some people really like it.
Some people really like do it. If I'm, you know, if you really
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want me to, OK. And then other people are like,
Nope, I'm good. It still would have been hot if
he like stopped whipping becausethat would be the yellow and
fucked me with my swollen ass pussy, yeah and told me to take
it but he didn't. He was very catering, like an
aftercare after that, but you know, it'd be nice to push it a
little bit, but yeah. Pop that pussy, baby.
All right, describe your weirdest slash most interesting
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sexual fantasy. I guess I just.
Yeah. It's pretty.
That's not fantasy. Hold on, that's my fantasy.
What's yours? The weirdest, most interesting
sexual fantasy. I was going to say, you know,
again, I've approached my lovelyslave GIMP husband on this
recently and he was very resistant.
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But eventually he's, he's come around to it.
So I'm hoping it'll be a lovely little Christmas present to Moi.
But I want to have my one GIMP boy in the bed next to me in his
body bag restrained where he cannot move.
And then I want to have my little Sissy slave in his body
bag on the other side of the bedwith me in the middle so I can
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basically use whatever. That sandwich.
Yeah, it would be a fucking Oreo.
Perfect. I mean, what can you want?
You want. 2. Two sex slaves right next to
each other with you that you canuse their Dicks or whatever the
fuck you want to do with them. So yeah, that would be my
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ultimate fantasy is to have bothof them fuck them both, do all
sorts of dirty shit. Nice.
Yes. OK, isn't that fun now, PO?
Yes. What is your favorite toy?
My favorite toy. Yeah.
Oh. It didn't say sexual toy.
It's a good one, yeah, but it's gonna be sexual.
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You know what a good show on theFisher Price show, I mean, let
you know. That's a really good question.
Toys, I really like my floggers that I have.
Of course, I like my diapers, soI would consider those a toy,
kind of. Absolutely.
I call it a toy, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
But I'm evolving and, you know, new things are discovered and
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sometimes I'm like, oh, that used to be my favorite, but now
this is my favorite, so. Yeah, absolutely.
All right. You want to ask Liv the next
one? OK.
What kind of kinky image do you find like most attractive?
We're like Dom and Sub kind of where like the man is bigger and
the woman is smaller. Like she's cute and adorable and
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sexy and then he's like mean andbig and like scary.
What is a kink related song or music video?
You. We literally did that one.
Do you know the name exactly? Oh, yeah.
Stop that train. It's called Stop that Train.
Yeah. By a Vanilla Ice I love.
That, yeah, Let's give you another one since you already
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answered that one. Yeah.
What are your hard limits? All right, so if I'm going to
harm someone who wants to be harmed, I've asked, I've been
asked multiple times over the years to castrate someone and to
me. Don't get that one.
I would never, I would never ever castrate a cock and ball.
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Ever. I would never castrate a man I.
Couldn't do it. I couldn't hurt somebody
permanently. No, I couldn't do it.
Yeah, that's that's just no. So cutting off a Dick is your
hard limit? Oh yeah.
Don't have a good hard limit. Yeah, I mean, you think about
it. I have.
I've done the defecation, the urination.
I have beat people. I have punched people.
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I've done horrific things to people who've wanted it.
But in the end, they get up and walk away.
They're good. But however, I would never
castrate a man. I couldn't do it.
I love Dick and balls way too much.
OK Poe, what are your views on the ethics of kink?
They're very important because this could be a very dangerous
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world if you're not prepared. Yeah, I think that's kind of a
moot question because, I mean, Imean, we're all pretty ethical
in what we do, right? Yeah, put our views on the
ethics of. Right.
So like consent, communication, honesty, that type of thing,
those would be what I would consider ethical practices.
If I don't do at least those three things, I'm not being
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ethical, I'm just being self servant and I'm going to either
hurt somebody or I'm going to get hurt.
So you've got to have all your ducks in a row.
Honesty. Interest.
All right, Liv. Hit it PO all.
Right. Tell us about a humorous BDSM
kink experience that you've had.I'm not going to read the second
part because I know you've had one.
I don't know what it is, but. A humorous 1.
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We've had some funny fucking moments.
Now are we talking about me as asub or me?
Everyone because. You're dancing.
The one that just kind of bringsit up would be that bouncy ball
one. The bouncy ball.
Just because it's newish, because I don't have anything
just right off the top of my head, but the one where we're
bouncing on the bouncy balls, I thought that was pretty
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humorous. Now it's humorous.
You know, I went back and I looked at the video, a couple of
different videos, but he's just steadily watching you and I
didn't see the front of Lib, butyou can imagine her bouncing
with her titties. I loosened my.
My bathing suit and my. Titties are bouncing, good on
you. Oh my gosh, that's awesome.
Yeah. Cuz I was like, oh, is he
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bouncing? And he's just like, yeah.
It's like following the dot whenyou're singing the songs from
Disney. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he had fun. That is awesome.
Good on him. All right, Liv.
Explain as best as you can what the appeal of key BDSM is to
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you. Why are you drawn to what you
are drawn to? Wow, that's a That's a good one.
That's a. Fucking good question.
You know, we just had this conversation.
Really. We really did.
I don't know if you heard earlier, Poe, but I was having
this conversation with Liv and Isaid yeah.
I said, you know, you are out ofthe room, in fact, OK, I was
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talking to my little guilt. And he told me that he has an
issue a lot of times with how I put my time into so many people
when it comes to my own, you know, gratification, playing
with people. Yeah, just for fun, Right.
And how it takes away time from him.
And so I had to basically counter object to the simple
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fact that he has his own thing that he does as a hobby.
And I said this is my hobby. And I told him, I said if you
take this away from me, I won't be the same person.
Yeah, I will be a very unhappy. Person.
I feel like I wouldn't be the same person if I didn't have
BDSM too. I wouldn't be happy.
You would feel like a shell of aperson, Like, how can you go
back after you've already had it?
Yeah. Been plucked out of the matrix,
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can't go back into it. I mean, and that same mindset
know that, yeah. Know that everything.
Doesn't does not compute at thatpoint.
See, that's why it bothers me somuch.
One, that he would say it, but two, there's so many people in
the Venolin lifestyle and it's just like, God, that's your
fucking life. Like that's your boring fucking
life. I can't even talk to people in
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the vanilla world just because Ican't.
It's so mundane. They're they're, they want to
talk about taxes and. Church.
Yeah, and that's not that's yourConversations of Life
fellowship. It's like, Jesus, please stop.
You look on people's Facebook ofour friends and the people I
went to school with. And one girl, she'd reached out
to me. She's like, oh, you know, you
just had a birthday. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What'd you do for your birthday?Well, I had one fuck of a great
time for my birthday. And then trust me, it involved
whips and chains in my fucking birthday.
And I told her. I told her I was like, yeah.
I said, you know, it was really great.
I said, but, you know, I won't bore you with the details.
But, you know, I do a sex podcast.
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And she's like, you know, I always knew that you were going
to do something kinky. Meanwhile, I'm looking at her
Facebook. You know, she's proud of her two
kids. I get it.
But you know, she said a stay athome mom.
I'm like, what do you do for fucking fun?
Sew and bake cakes like. Stay at home.
Mom is hard, OK? We can't.
That's hard We. Can't really to go too hard on a
stay at home mom because you have no money, no time, no way
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to get out the house. That's what I'm children.
I have compassion for her because I'm like, bitch, you got
a boring ass fucking life. Yeah, and working like a dog
for. What?
To raise two kids that aren't going to come see you when
you're old. Like, really?
Yeah, kind of ways of balancing that out.
Yeah, there's ways of balancing you just it's just, you know,
what are you? Because you got to give and
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take. What are you willing, right?
Live. I don't know how you do it.
I really don't. I don't know how you did it.
And you got three damn kids. I don't know how.
You did that. I died.
I know I died mentally when I got a job outside of my stay at
home mom. This oh man, I was like Oh my
God, real people conversation. Yeah.
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Yeah, I had. To do it.
Fuck that. Fuck that all day long.
When my daughter was young, she would get mad about eating the
same crackers. Like she just wanted to eat
these crackers, but I she'd havethem all day.
So I put them up on top of the refrigerator and she just would
pitch a fit because they were upthere, like just because of
daggone crackers. And I'm just over here like, I
just want to talk about something new than these
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crackers. I just want to have an adult
conversation. Yeah, yeah.
This next question is very interesting though.
How would you say that your reallife BDSM kink varies from
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fantasy BDSM kink? If you haven't experienced real
life, which we already know you have, I mean you've experienced
a lot this summer post. So I mean, is your fantasy any
different than what we already do in reality?
My mind works in mysterious ways, so I mean there, like I
said, I'm constantly evolving, so there's all, you know, once I
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add something to the repertoire,then I go, hmm, that's cool.
And ooh, but if I could mind this with this, hmm.
And that would up it, you know, 20% more than it was before.
But that also comes through knowledge as far as like real
life kink versus like fantasy kink.
Let's just be honest, a lot of us have a fucking awesome
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imagination when it comes to kink.
And what we envision is like theperfect thing.
But then when it actually happens, our reaction may be
totally different from what we thought it was going to be.
You know, in my head, I can takea ton.
And you could beat me for three days in a row and I'm like, I'm
good. But I know in reality, well, you
got a hill back there. Yeah.
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So. Yeah.
So yeah, it's. You got to be careful about what
your expectations are because you'll also disappoint yourself
if you're not too careful. OK.
What are the most difficult aspects of having a sexuality
that involves kink or BDSM for you personally?
Would you consider BDSM and a kink a benefit to your
personality or do you consider almost a curse is what now I'm
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reading the question? Okay, well before that I came
into MIAs life. I felt like it was a curse.
I felt like I was so different from everybody.
I felt like nobody would ever understand me because I felt
like I was. I felt like I was aware of so
much that nobody else was aware of.
And it made me feel kind of lonely.
And I guess I didn't really see it as kink.
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I just saw it as something that was wrong because I was just so
like, I'd be aware of, like, my vagina or how somebody would
talk to me or, you know, it's just like nobody else would feel
those feelings. And I would be like, what's
wrong? Yeah.
So I would say in the beginning,it was a curse.
Now that I've been in become theDom and unlocked this new
version of myself, yes. I feel like I have some sort of
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blessing. And the blessing is the same
thing, that I can see the world differently, that I am
different. It's the curse in the blessing.
I just was able to accept it. No, I love that explanation.
All right, Mia. Yes, ma'am.
What misconception about kinky people would you most like to
clear up? That's a good one.
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That is a good one. And I think we've touched base
on this before. You know, everyone has a
different misconceptions of a lot of people.
So the adult babies get a bad rap.
They automatically associate that with very shitty things.
People that are like pain sluts,they automatically think you
know they love to be victimized in real life too.
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Oh yeah, that one. I can see that one.
You can see that. And you know my biggest pet
peeve, biggest huge huge pet peeve is when you have a Dom and
it's typically a male Dom. I haven't experienced women
doing this but I'm sure it exists.
But male doms automatically treating women as sub females
like they're automatically like they're automatically
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submissive. I have been in public of all
places I've been in public and I've seen male doms and they
would completely disrespect me knowing that I was a dominant.
Dom should disrespect. But people but Doms do there's
there's I don't. Think they're too dumb?
I think they're just a jerk. I see.
I see what you're saying. Yeah, but that, but that's what
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they do. I mean, they they don't give a
fuck. They treat every woman like
they're a submissive. I mean, I met one in public one
time and he was looking my tits the whole time and I was like,
you know, I'm a dominatrix. That's not a domino, that's
literally a Dick. I know he's a douche, but that's
my point is there's a lot of fucking, you know, male doms,
but they completely use their power to think they control all
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women, right? So again, it's a misconception.
All women aren't submissive is my point.
Yeah, just like. All men are doms.
Exactly, exactly. So anywho, that's my take now
yes, any kinky videos and pet peeves that you have so many
good experiences with? Yeah, maybe that the the
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Internet presence of of availability of videos out there
are so not what the real experience is that I think that
people get a understanding and then they that's incorrect.
Absolutely. I don't think it's necessarily
betrayed exactly how it should be, you know, in the, the, the
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porn world or adult entertainment world.
I think sometimes people, they need to, if you're gonna make
something that's you're saying is specializing in this area,
well, maybe you need to, you know, get a little education, go
to see what actually happens andthen make a video from that.
That would be my personal pet peeve when it comes to this
world. Yeah, absolutely.
All right. So, Madame Liv, any unexpected
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ways kink has improved your life?
If So, what are they? Kink improving my life
definitely gave me confidence. I got a lot of confidence from
it. You know, I have been able to be
a better mother in some ways. But you know, BDSM and in the
life that I've had, I had just got into a relationship around
the same time, right? So I think that healed me as
well because of the type of relationship I needed for some,
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what I wasn't getting and then this.
So I think it's all in one. It's not just the BDSM, it's my
relationship has made me better as well.
But for a lot of things, it's definitely made me love myself
more. I like that, like that.
All right, talk about something within kinker BDSM that you're
curious about or you don't understand.
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We're just get that one because you know, OK.
Favorite BDSM related book fiction or not fiction?
All right, well, actually I'm writing my own book, so it's
going to be my favorite. When is it going to be out?
I'm going to, I'm going to push that.
I'm going to push it over and over again on every.
Fucking episode. It's going to be a true story.
It's a true story. It's going to be based on a
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certain individual and it's going to be based on her
experiences, how things began and how things evolved.
And that will be 1 of several SO.
When is your book going to be done?
Probably another six months maybe, if that, and I just need
to find a good publisher and a good publishing deal, honestly.
How exciting, Yeah. You think?
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You're going to know like an audio book as well.
Yeah, you just want me, the voice, to know.
We need an audio book. I'm just saying like, yeah, I've
heard you read stories and I think it would be a good
endeavour, I think. They make audio books for your
books, but it's not you. And I realized that that some of
the people that are audio booking it isn't the person that
writes it. So I need to do my.
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Own. Yeah, I think you.
Do thank you both. Yeah, I really do.
I'll do it. I'll do it.
Yeah. Well, catch up my latest that I
wrote, and that was a true storyabout Brie, and it was the
Bastianado story. And people told me they really
liked it. So I was very appreciative of
that, that they enjoyed it. All right, so PO, what do you
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think is important in keeping ABDSM relationship healthy?
How does it differ from a vanilla relationship?
But while you have both of thosethings, in a way you're we have
a relationship with Liv. So kind of goes back to what I
was saying earlier, you know, communication, honesty.
But I also think it's really important to every now and again
have renegotiations, look at what's going on and just sit
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down. Hey, what are you liking about
what's going on? What are you not a fan of that's
going on? Not necessarily that you're
creating your hard limits or anything of that nature, you're
just kind of steering the relationship in the way that
it's mutually beneficial to bothof you and that you're both
still exciting. That works in both BDSM and
vanilla though. I I guess you are correct.
I would usually just call it more compromising in vanilla
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life versus there's an established dynamic when it
comes to BDSM and kink and there's rules set forth and
sometimes those rules need to bere examined and looked at and
go, OK, is it still for the betterment of of the sub or is
it still for the betterment of the Dom?
I see what you're saying. As opposed to vanilla life.
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It's just like, OK, we made these decisions.
OK, well, let's let's compromise, you know, OK,
instead of going out to eat fivedays a week, we're going to go
out to eat too. You know, just that's still.
A rule, but yeah, I know it plays with each.
Other. It really does.
It really does you. Can learn from how we, the BDSM
world functions and utilize thatin a relationship.
Totally agree with that. In a better the relationship.
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Totally agree with that. Since you first developed an
interest and kink, have your interests or perspectives
changed, and if so, how? Yeah, I would say they changed
because I'd be able to achieve some of the things that I
wanted. OK.
It doesn't feel like so much of A itch I can't scratch because
that's the worst feeling. You can't fulfill that.
It's I don't know, you just think itch you can't scratch and
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you know it changing. It has changed in ways like
where I want it differently because you know your fantasies
when you're not had it, it's youknow the specific way and then
you're like, when you get there,you're like, it's not actually
realistic or not everybody can supply the things that you need
and that matters. Now of course you're discussing
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it from the Subs perspective. When you came into it, did you
know or think I want to dominate?
I want to Dom as well. When I came into.
To the BDSM. Now world.
Did you ever envision yourself? As a doc?
As a Absolutely not. OK.
Absolutely not. I really thought I wouldn't be
able to do it OK because of how submissive I was.
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But once you know, I realized that I can utilize my
information of what I want and give it to them, which does
satisfy a little piece in me of that I'm actually getting it
because I'm seeing it happen. Even though it's not happening
to me, I still get like a sense the fulfillment doesn't mean
that I wish I couldn't die myself.
That would be cool. Yeah.
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What qualities do you look for in a partner I.
Honestly, we should give advice to people.
OK. You know who are looking for
people, I often give people thisadvice and that is it's kind of
like PO, for example, I said to PO, you need to find someone who
is very open minded, someone whohonestly is not going to be
like, Oh my God, you like to wear diapers.
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Oh, you're into adult baby. You know, someone who is not
going to be so judgmental. So you have to do you have to
find someone who knows how to treat people very well, like
going out, seeing how they treatpeople and interact, you know,
wait staff, are they friendly, do you think?
You need to find yourself like literally a girl version of you.
Oh, 100%. I can see, I can see what you're
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saying. Like you really look into
yourself and what you need that you can almost anticipate what
somebody else needs. Yeah.
And if somebody else could do that for you, I think that'd be
really good for you, yeah. Definitely.
That definitely someone who could self reflect and.
I'm accepting applications. Absolutely, yes.
But I think that's what we have to do.
We have to find that females, when I have been in this
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lifestyle for as long as I have,most of my female friends are
female submissives and they always go for men that are new
into the lifestyle that come in the lifestyle or they've they've
moved here and they call themselves a male Dom.
And I'm like, OK, but how much experience do they have?
Do you connect with them on other levels?
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And that's the thing I think people need to say, Hey, we're
going to do the the vanilla world first and then go from the
vanilla world into, hey, where do we go from here, right?
Are you willing to explore the aspects of BDSM?
But you have to find someone whois like you, just like Liv said.
So someone who is compassionate.I look for when I honestly, I
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wasn't looking for anyone when Ifound my husband.
And but you know, I automatically looked for a man
who was submissive. I always looked for a man that
had a shit together. I always looked for a man who
was kind of compassionate, especially to animals.
Yeah, that's a big one for me. So, yeah.
So I looked for all these good qualities.
So all those good qualities are going to come from a person and
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even before the lifestyle. Oh great.
Yeah, you know, that's probably what's going to 1st attract you
to that person. Yeah, 100 percent, 100%.
When I first met my husband, it was him coming in and being
really naive and really just kind of I blew his mind the
first night, right? And so he kept coming back.
But after we started to get to know each other, he would spend
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every weekend with me. And yeah, Grant would have sex
all weekend and we would eat in bed and, you know, watch movies
together. But we like the same movies.
We like the same music. We have a ton of things in
common. You just go back to someone like
yourself. And I think that's great advice
from Liv. It's so true.
I like it. Yeah, just don't meet some wacky
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fucking teacher or nurse becausemost of them about that shit
crazy. Just going to tell you guys it's
true. You know it's true.
They're kinky, but they're fucking crazy.
You might need a little crazy, you know, just for the
beginning, like a little test run, you know?
Whoever wants to ride. A Pell?
A little bit, yeah. A little crazy.
Crazy. You don't have to be like.
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What? What did?
What did ludicrous say? I want a lady in the streets but
a freak in the bed. All right, so.
All right, Poe, Yes. How open are you about your
kinks? Oh, shit, shit.
So. It's according what world I'm
in, yeah, and how much anonymityI have in that world.
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When you're with Liv and I, you can just open up.
I mean, yeah, your Dick. I put a chassis device on right
in front of you and I was like, you know, it's so freaking cool
that I could sit here and not really fondle my balls, but sit
here and like juggle my balls toget it into this thing.
And you are like, you didn't even bat an eye.
Like, didn't even Liv was like, you're doing that, Yeah.
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We were having normal conversation, like we're tired
of relationship shit. You're like you're juggling your
balls trying to put him in the cage.
And I'm like, yeah, go ahead, gothat next step up.
Yeah, well, that's how you put it.
On there, like, yeah. That's what I'm trying to figure
it out. Lives like, what are you doing?
I'm like, he's putting on his OK, You're like, really?
Let me see. And you're like, I was trying to
be decent. And be respectful, you know,
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like. You were in a doctor's
everything. But it was my my dog wanted
APOV, so she got right up in theold.
Shit, she did, she, she, you know, it's all good.
Everybody needs to put on a showevery now and again.
Exactly. And then of course, on the
Internet, it's a lot easier to put stuff out there if they
don't necessarily know who you are to have a little bit of fun
and, you know, honestly get other people's opinions without
having to worry about. You know.
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Yeah, exactly. So I, I enjoy that.
That's my space test people's brains to go.
Is it acceptable this year? OK, No, no.
OK next year, next year, next year.
We'll try it again next year. You know, one time I was in this
biology class years ago, I fucking hated biology, but this
chick was always bitching about this guy she wanted to date.
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So she went and made this guy a meal from home.
She did all these things and she's like, yeah, but you know,
ultimately we went and had sex and he just got off and left.
And I was like, OK, so I'm goingto give you a little advice.
Tiffany didn't want you. He came over some for some food
and booty and he fucking got offand left.
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And bottom line, that's why you need a submissive man, because
submissive man who is going to be diligent, he's going to have
strong feelings. He's not going to waste his time
if he's not interested, Sure. And he's going to want to pound
the fuck out of that pussy untilyou're satisfied.
And she looked at me when I saidhey you should join Fetlife and
she looked at me like what the fuck is that I?
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Definitely got that question before too and I'm like, doesn't
everybody know? No, they do.
Not. Fit.
I mean like. They do not.
But she looked at me and she would never talk to me after
that. I was like, bitch, you don't
even know. You.
Don't know what you missing hoe you don't.
Yeah, here again, they don't understand the healing and
everything. Else not.
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Yeah, they're lost. So very true.
Madam Liv, what's your opinion on online BDSM play?
Oh, I think it makes it a littlebit more real depending on how
you play because you are not being faced with the the facial
expressions. Cause some like Dom's are
hesitant when their sub says ow or it hurts or their face winces
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and they kind of like get a little bit, you know, Yeah.
And I played where I was online and but see, the only thing
about online is sometimes the Internet goes out.
And so I had put clothes pins onmy nipples and was made to do it
a certain amount of time. OK.
And then he didn't message back for a very long time.
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I almost started crying because I was going to be a good sub and
I'm not going to take these off me even though they hurt.
They'd be on there way too long.OK.
And once he ha man I. That's a sub move.
Oh yeah, I she. She is not a quitter.
I was not going to quit. I was going to be a good sub,
but man, I was, I was crying andI was just like, I don't want to
do this. And I couldn't message, I
message him, he wouldn't messageme back.
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I don't like that aspect of it. But you know, I'd still like the
aspect that you don't see the face, you don't see the, you
just see the command. And I like that.
You know, that happened one timewith my husband before I met
him. He was, you know, talking to
this this female Dom online and she hadn't put Gator clips on
his nipples and run for 2 miles.What's a Gator clip?
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That's a those are alligators, like little pokey, like a teeth.
Yes, and they're nipple. Clips teeth.
They're hardcore. They're not nipple clamps,
they're hair clamps. For your hair?
Oh no, no, no, not. Those Oh, I know what?
You're talking about though the.The alligator, yeah.
The alligator? No.
These look like little jumper cables, but you use them for
tools. OK, Yeah.
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Like it's like a man's tool, like the whole thing.
They're are they small or they? Yeah, they're small.
OK. Yeah.
Yeah, we have those. In the dentures, yes.
OK. He's had teeth too.
And he, he said his nipples werefucking bleeding while he was
running. Yeah, but it was exhilarating
for him. He liked it.
Oh yeah, it definitely is exhilarating because you, you
can see how far you can push yourself and you know you're
not, you're not doing it for yourself.
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Somebody else is then awaiting you to please them.
Yeah, you're going to do this thing for me and you're going to
push yourself past your limits for me.
Wow. And I like that.
But anyways, right Mia, do your non kink interest ever find
their way into your kinky activities?
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Yeah, they do so. Yeah, like even swimming.
You're out there naked. Yeah, and fucking in the pool
and all that and doing bondage, water underwater and that kind
of shit. Yeah, yeah, I put him in
handcuffs and push him down in the shallow end, OK, until I
can't take it anymore. So it's like a breath play.
Yeah, interesting. Almost to the point where, like,
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he wants to drown, but back up. Yeah, we do that.
Interesting. Yeah, then we do shit in the
kitchen before anyone else can walk in.
You know what? Do you do in the kitchen?
I don't do anything with the food or anything gross, but
nothing like that. But it's usually something like
I'll have his expandable butt plug in while I'm making dinner
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and if he's bad, give him a little pump, pump.
I'll choke him a little bit. I'll push him up up against the
counter, I'll knee him in the nuts if he gives me a hard time.
That kind of stuff. It's fun.
Nice, right? Yeah.
Yeah, I was with you into the knee of the nuts and I was like,
oh, that's a romantic. And that's that's just good.
And then you're like, Nah, kneebin the nuts.
And I'm like you. Know what's really funny is you
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know he's a battered husband. When he flinches every time I go
for him, he's like, oh, God. Oh.
God, he's like, oh. God, she's gonna hit me.
I'm like, yeah, bitch, remember that?
Remember that? I'll fuck you up.
That's great. Respect my authority.
Exactly. All right, Shut up, Charles.
Right loves Cartman, right? Do you dress for kink and BDSM
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play? What significance does your
attire have to you? Oh, that's.
A good question for Paul. Yes, it.
Is. It's part of what I'm doing, the
activity. Yeah.
Yeah, the feelings definitely, you know, is going to influence
me into what activity I'm going to take place in that day.
Of course, you know, it's ABDL, It's gonna be adult baby stuff.
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If it's impact play, still gonnabe little boy underwear, that
kind of thing. Because I always like my little
to be attached to be somehow. Didn't have little underground
last night. I didn't.
I didn't. Where was little PO?
Where was little PO? He didn't come here last night.
Little podium. What up?
But he hit. He was like, I'm going back here
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and I'm gonna let, I'm gonna letyou adults, you know, do what
y'all need to do. You got jiggity with it.
Yeah. But yeah, so it's definitely
specific clothing to whatever activity is going on.
Clothing makes me feel a certainway too it.
Really does, doesn't it really sets the stage, definitely.
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So I think you're. The last question.
You were looking bomb ass in your your little dress last
night. I, I love the little the little
straps with the with the diamonds in it.
That's sexy. So pretty and it was so soft.
Yeah, I really wanted to wear that other dunder we were gonna
go to. Yeah, but it just wasn't working
for me. Yeah, I just kept falling.
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I was like, yeah, I'll probably just you could wear it for like
an hour for a session, but for an all day event, yeah, even the
shoes I was wearing kept slipping.
So I was like, this is just miserable.
It's an hour, it's good for an hour, it's even good for two
hours. But any further?
Whoo, Nelly, I get it. Be looking sloppy all right.
So do you have a BDSM title? Mistress, master, slut, pig or
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Princess? Goddess, Ma'am, Sir.
And what is your opinions of theuse of titles just in general?
I think it's very important to have a Dom have a title because
you need to have that as a. To to it's.
It establishes a level of respect and.
Yeah. And so I do not like when people
call me ma'am when we're in a session, like, yes, ma'am was
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always yes, Mistress. OK, That's why I'm always like,
or I'm sorry, not Mistress, Madam Live.
So yeah, I always make sure thatit's Madam Live.
OK, I didn't know that. Interesting.
That's what's on my. Yeah, I knew, I knew that part.
And I don't think I've ever really done it, but I just.
But as like a sub, it really depends on the play that we're
having. Little one pet, you know, I
think those are the two I reallylike.
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Little girl. No, not a little girl, just
little one. A little one, OK.
I don't know why. What about difference?
What about like good girl? That guy?
Like good girl? Like a good girl.
That's depending on the play though, right?
Of course. Like being human.
Furniture, you know, feels more like pet.
Definitely. I like it.
Got it all right. Lift last but not least.
Whatever BDSM kink related thingdo you want to write about isn't
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that. Funny.
Yeah, I like. How it was each one of our
questions was really, we wear, of course it's going to be the
adult baby that we're going to ask.
It was very, yeah, it was very geared to that.
You know, I think the biggest thing, you know, I never wrote a
journal and Liv and I've talked about this before because it's
important that a lot of submissive people and and Doms,
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if they want to do that too, write a journal.
And I never did. And I, I really wish I would
have even years ago to try to remember things.
But it's funny. I'll go back on my emails and
I'll go back on my pictures from, you know, 20 plus years
ago. It's the.
Same. Feeling it's the same feeling.
And it, that's kind of my, my journal is going back on my old
emails and reading my old emailsand, and seeing those things.
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And so, you know, really I want to write more and more about the
experiences that I've had and. Even the mundane things, you
really, really enjoy the mundanewritings because you like, think
about my kids were so young during that time.
And I'm talking about how aggravated I am in the day and
how much I love my life, even though it's so aggravating.
And it's just like, wow, I love reading back on my feelings of
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the days whenever I was dealing with little kids.
I don't remember those days, butreading back on it is nice.
That's why I'll never throw awaymy books I write in.
Well, I like like to go back on,you know, experiences that I've
had with clients over the years with different people and
different things. And even when I was single and
all the experiences then it's like, whoo, yeah, gang bangs.
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Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about that.
Experience. Yeah, I could really go into
that. That's hot.
But yeah, it's been fun. Yeah, that was a good, good
little list of questions. I enjoyed that.
I do too. I read that and I thought, OK,
we're going to do this with Liv and PO.
Yeah, it. Was a nice podcast, I liked it.
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I liked it, yeah. Not only did we get some
information out there, but I think maybe we even learned just
about each other. That's.
That's true, right? That's awesome.
All right, I love learning things about child.
You're a great group. Triangle is the strongest shape
in the world. That's right.
All right.
Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me Mistress.
I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, and I've got with me Madame Liv.
Good morning. Good morning, Liv.
And I've got over here with us. We've got the one, the only
Master Viper Lupo. How are we doing, my kinky
friends? All right, so we're here at the
Manor PO and we're going to talkabout this article that we
(00:31):
found. And it was kind of interesting
because it had some really interesting questions and it it
was 30 days and questions of kink.
So I figured we could just go round and round.
Go for it. All right, so we can choose who
we want, or we can just go. You ask Liv and I'll ask you.
We'll do the circle jerk. I like it.
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What if I wanna jerk the other way around?
Well, you can't jerk him around today because he's got a lovely
little cage on. Oh, doesn't mean that I can't
electrocute his Dick. And that's very true.
True me, do you have jerky besides you you could jerk
around with? Uh huh.
That was terrible. It was she.
Even has a good thing get. Back in there didn't work with
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that on the blooper was. All right, so PO, let's start
her up #1 Dom sub switch. What parts of BDSM interest you?
Give us an interesting in depth definition of what that means to
you. Basically define your kinky self
for us. OK sub leaning switch would
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probably be the best. Meaning I'm a sub most of the
time. I really enjoy that, but at the
same time, there are certain opportunities that I do like to
express myself in a different way, you know, and, and Doming.
So I guess that would be the thedefinition to me.
As you know, the switch of course is does both, but because
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I'm more sub than Dom, it tasteslike a 75% sub, 25% Dom if I had
to break it down mathematically.So yeah, that's kind of where I
come at it. Right on, yeah.
All right. So do you want to ask Madame Liv
#2? Yes, it's going to be a big
list. List your kinks.
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List my kinks. I like being made to serve.
I like being told what to do in more of a sexual, sensual way.
Not necessarily just do chores. Go do chores, you know, could
you like? What you mean by that?
Being told what to do, as in to be told to do something that
makes me uncomfortable, as in doing a cold shower or doing
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something just to please them, you know, or him.
I also like to be stalked. I have fantasies of rape.
These are just fantasies, consensual fantasy.
I can, I don't, I don't think I can tone real rape.
I don't want to be really stalked and really raped.
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But, you know, the thought of itis it's really intriguing.
I like the forbidden fruit feeling.
Yeah. So I feel like that's my
majority ones. I don't really don't want to dig
too far into it. Everybody knows my kinks if they
listen to the podcast. Oh yeah.
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So #3 Liv you, you can ask me this.
How did you discover you were kinky?
Isn't that interesting? I think we all have that pivotal
moment, but I always go back to listening that Vanilla Ice song,
Stop that Train. And I honestly, I was 11-12
years old and you know, it's right there at your prepubescent
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years. And I was thinking, wow, he's
talking about going on a date, he goes back to her house, she
whips out the whips and the chains and game on.
And it freaked him the fuck out.But how have?
I never heard this whips. And chains.
You like to rap? I'm surprised.
No, that's what I'm saying. How did I not hear this song?
Yeah. It's like, stop that train.
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I wanna get off. Yeah, Look it up.
It's it's it's on. My new karaoke song.
Yeah, and he, he talks about howit was a great night, but then
all of a sudden they went back to her place and he is freaked
the fuck out because she wants to Dom him.
And he's like, stop this train. I want to get off.
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My God, I want to get out of here.
Choo Choo, baby. Let's go.
I know. But in that song, I would listen
to it over and over and over again.
And I just kept thinking, Oh my God, this is so hot, right?
But then I go back and I was like, I was 8 years old and my
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parents, we were, I was a latchkey kid, so parental
supervision was not anything that happened.
So I would go home and I would watch my parents old beta tapes
or we'd watch original HBO back in the day.
And so I'd get home and I would be like, what am I gonna watch?
Well, I'm really not gonna watchcartoons.
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What what can I find in mom and Dad's stash?
And I know you're automatically thinking, you know, softcore
porn. Yeah, you're actually right.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Of course, a couple of those days of my life, of course.
So it was hocus pocus and we're good to go.
But for me, when I was 8 years old, I used to masturbate to the
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scene in Animal House where Kevin Bacon was bent over at the
frat house. And the supervisor who was
another instructor there, he was.
They were all like in there, thered gowns, and it was all very
formal. And you could see the burning
fire. And he's bent over with this
huge ass paddle and he's spanking Kevin Bacon.
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And Kevin Bacon's like, oh, please, please, sure, man.
I have another place where I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, it
was on. It was game on like.
When I was 8. It's just that envisioned
thought of spanking and it wasn't me wanting to be the
spanky. It was me wanting to be the
spanker and like I want to spankhim and make him pay.
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Like I love that it was hot. I can still watch that scene.
I'm like, you know, Kevin Bacon was.
Sexy to watch it. I just need you to keep
describing it. And to top it off, they were all
fucking Whitey tighties so. Man after my own heart.
Right. It was like when Whitey tighties
were sexy. I could see like in the 70s,
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eighties right now. Now they have so many more, you
know, sexy forms of underwear for that.
But I mean, back in the day, youcould see fucking Kevin Bacon
bent over, taking that paddle. I was like, Oh yeah, do it for
Mama. So yeah, that was me.
I like that. That's a good, that's a good
story. I like.
It thank you, thank you. All right so the next one is for
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#4 and it is for Poe. Any early experiences that in
retrospect hint at your kinks? So any early experiences?
Well, I think you've talked a lot.
Of I say, yeah, I mean, if we'regoing back to the ABDL, then
yeah, I mean, said I was, you know, taking diapers, going into
the clothing rack and putting them on by everybody else was
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shopping. And that was fun too, because it
was a little taboo of, you know,I can do it, getting away with
it. And so, yeah, I would definitely
say. You know what I think too?
I think often because you were like, Oh yeah, Kmart.
You know you can go to Kmart andI.
Was the reason why they shut down.
You know, they were fucking awesome.
But you know, you and I and Madame Liv, we all grew up here.
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Wouldn't have been so strange that when we die, right?
Right. When we're saying at some point
in the eternal life, we're like,oh, yeah, you all crossed paths.
Remember that time? Hey, PO was over here at the
Kmart and he was grabbing diapers and you were over in the
cafeteria with your mom at Kmart.
Yeah, shopping those blue light specials, right?
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One of my friends, we always said Kmart had the raunchiest
lingerie sometimes for women. Like you wouldn't have known
this Pope, but I mean, back in the day you wouldn't have known
either, Liv. That's how fucking old I am.
But they had some, they had somelike next level raunchy ass
lingerie like. Yeah, what did they had a Kmart.
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Yeah, Kmart, I know it was bomb.Alright, go ahead Poe.
I got reposed to at a Kmart. Wow, how sexy is that?
Ohh, it was very sexy. I was in a Bucky.
I was inside the buggy. Wow.
I got a ring. How?
I had I was pregnant. No, I wasn't judging.
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I was thinking like maybe it waslike a cute story.
Like, you know, you were five and the boy you know was 6 and
y'all were like having a cute little moment, you know?
This is her as an adult. She was riding in the buggy.
I just got out of the hospital because I had round ligament
pains for my pregnancy and they had given me medicine that made
me really sleepy. OK, he puts me in a buggy
because he knows I can't walk and he takes me to the counter
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because it's a closing down Kmart and he tells me pick from,
pick a ring and I pick out a ring.
He didn't like the ring I pickedand there's only two choices.
And then I'm sorry, the fact that he goes when it is about to
close down when all their jewelry was already 70% off,
because I know when I was young in high school, that was the go
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to. I'm going Kmart.
Spent $400.00 on a $2000 ring. Wow, that.
Sounds about right, yeah. Wow, that's.
Supposed to. I never actually got asked, he
just said pick. Out a ring.
He was so romantic. Man.
After my own heart. Wow.
Yeah. What a douche.
You'd be like, hey, pick out a ring night.
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Maybe not that one, maybe the other one, the one I was picking
and it was like it was gold. I mean, it's not the best ring.
It's just. But between the two rings, you
know, I had two choices. It had a Redstone.
I thought it was pretty. Actually, I'm pretty sure I know
the exact ring you're talking about.
Did he at least take you to where the blue light was and try
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to propose to you under the bluelight like and?
Then since I was grumpy for being the buggy, the lady over
the counter said it's OK it's just cuz she's pregnant.
Like, you don't realize this is me you're supposed to, right?
I'll cut a bitch. What?
Wow, this is fun. Wow.
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But anyways. OK.
That's fine. OK, what are we on #5?
Cheers we're. On four.
Wait, no, no, it's 4, so we're gonna 5.
So what was your first kinky sexual experience?
If you had to have one yet, talkabout what you hope to have
happen. Well, I've had first
experiences. I haven't had a solo experience,
kind of like over a phone, like a guy told me to do something
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and I thought it was really kinky, going to put like a water
bottle into my butt hole and squeeze it like an enema and
then squirt it out on a camera. OK, it was hot.
I might think about it every now.
And then I'm not. It was a nice video, but it was,
it was, yeah, it was something, but it was a nice video.
It wasn't dirty water. You know, live with you on any
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type of video. You underestimate how sexy you
really are because I'm telling you, imprinted in my brain is
still some of the hottest videos.
Just saying OK, you might have missed your calling for porn.
Just saying. Oh, well, thank you.
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That's a high compliment. I know.
Now, my first experience with a man was, you know, I've always
wanted to be whipped, always hadthose fantasies, right.
And then he had whips that he had made and he was whipping me
and had me in the my head, my face in the thing.
I couldn't breathe. And he smacks me just right
where it smacks me right on my pussy.
And it swelled up so big. So fast.
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It was the worst Jesus. Yeah, yeah.
If you're not ready for that one, yeah, that's not it.
Didn't. Turn me away from it, obviously,
but you know, I was. Like, and some people, yeah,
some people like that experience.
He didn't mean to do it right. It was an accident.
Yeah, Well, I would assume it's kind of like CBT where it's
like, yeah, some people really like it.
Some people really like do it. If I'm, you know, if you really
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want me to, OK. And then other people are like,
Nope, I'm good. It still would have been hot if
he like stopped whipping becausethat would be the yellow and
fucked me with my swollen ass pussy, yeah and told me to take
it but he didn't. He was very catering, like an
aftercare after that, but you know, it'd be nice to push it a
little bit, but yeah. Pop that pussy, baby.
All right, describe your weirdest slash most interesting
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sexual fantasy. I guess I just.
Yeah. It's pretty.
That's not fantasy. Hold on, that's my fantasy.
What's yours? The weirdest, most interesting
sexual fantasy. I was going to say, you know,
again, I've approached my lovelyslave GIMP husband on this
recently and he was very resistant.
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But eventually he's, he's come around to it.
So I'm hoping it'll be a lovely little Christmas present to Moi.
But I want to have my one GIMP boy in the bed next to me in his
body bag restrained where he cannot move.
And then I want to have my little Sissy slave in his body
bag on the other side of the bedwith me in the middle so I can
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basically use whatever. That sandwich.
Yeah, it would be a fucking Oreo.
Perfect. I mean, what can you want?
You want. 2. Two sex slaves right next to
each other with you that you canuse their Dicks or whatever the
fuck you want to do with them. So yeah, that would be my
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ultimate fantasy is to have bothof them fuck them both, do all
sorts of dirty shit. Nice.
Yes. OK, isn't that fun now, PO?
Yes. What is your favorite toy?
My favorite toy. Yeah.
Oh. It didn't say sexual toy.
It's a good one, yeah, but it's gonna be sexual.
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You know what a good show on theFisher Price show, I mean, let
you know. That's a really good question.
Toys, I really like my floggers that I have.
Of course, I like my diapers, soI would consider those a toy,
kind of. Absolutely.
I call it a toy, yeah. Yeah, I agree.
But I'm evolving and, you know, new things are discovered and
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sometimes I'm like, oh, that used to be my favorite, but now
this is my favorite, so. Yeah, absolutely.
All right. You want to ask Liv the next
one? OK.
What kind of kinky image do you find like most attractive?
We're like Dom and Sub kind of where like the man is bigger and
the woman is smaller. Like she's cute and adorable and
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sexy and then he's like mean andbig and like scary.
What is a kink related song or music video?
You. We literally did that one.
Do you know the name exactly? Oh, yeah.
Stop that train. It's called Stop that Train.
Yeah. By a Vanilla Ice I love.
That, yeah, Let's give you another one since you already
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answered that one. Yeah.
What are your hard limits? All right, so if I'm going to
harm someone who wants to be harmed, I've asked, I've been
asked multiple times over the years to castrate someone and to
me. Don't get that one.
I would never, I would never ever castrate a cock and ball.
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Ever. I would never castrate a man I.
Couldn't do it. I couldn't hurt somebody
permanently. No, I couldn't do it.
Yeah, that's that's just no. So cutting off a Dick is your
hard limit? Oh yeah.
Don't have a good hard limit. Yeah, I mean, you think about
it. I have.
I've done the defecation, the urination.
I have beat people. I have punched people.
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I've done horrific things to people who've wanted it.
But in the end, they get up and walk away.
They're good. But however, I would never
castrate a man. I couldn't do it.
I love Dick and balls way too much.
OK Poe, what are your views on the ethics of kink?
They're very important because this could be a very dangerous
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world if you're not prepared. Yeah, I think that's kind of a
moot question because, I mean, Imean, we're all pretty ethical
in what we do, right? Yeah, put our views on the
ethics of. Right.
So like consent, communication, honesty, that type of thing,
those would be what I would consider ethical practices.
If I don't do at least those three things, I'm not being
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ethical, I'm just being self servant and I'm going to either
hurt somebody or I'm going to get hurt.
So you've got to have all your ducks in a row.
Honesty. Interest.
All right, Liv. Hit it PO all.
Right. Tell us about a humorous BDSM
kink experience that you've had.I'm not going to read the second
part because I know you've had one.
I don't know what it is, but. A humorous 1.
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We've had some funny fucking moments.
Now are we talking about me as asub or me?
Everyone because. You're dancing.
The one that just kind of bringsit up would be that bouncy ball
one. The bouncy ball.
Just because it's newish, because I don't have anything
just right off the top of my head, but the one where we're
bouncing on the bouncy balls, I thought that was pretty
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humorous. Now it's humorous.
You know, I went back and I looked at the video, a couple of
different videos, but he's just steadily watching you and I
didn't see the front of Lib, butyou can imagine her bouncing
with her titties. I loosened my.
My bathing suit and my. Titties are bouncing, good on
you. Oh my gosh, that's awesome.
Yeah. Cuz I was like, oh, is he
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bouncing? And he's just like, yeah.
It's like following the dot whenyou're singing the songs from
Disney. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he had fun. That is awesome.
Good on him. All right, Liv.
Explain as best as you can what the appeal of key BDSM is to
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you. Why are you drawn to what you
are drawn to? Wow, that's a That's a good one.
That's a. Fucking good question.
You know, we just had this conversation.
Really. We really did.
I don't know if you heard earlier, Poe, but I was having
this conversation with Liv and Isaid yeah.
I said, you know, you are out ofthe room, in fact, OK, I was
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talking to my little guilt. And he told me that he has an
issue a lot of times with how I put my time into so many people
when it comes to my own, you know, gratification, playing
with people. Yeah, just for fun, Right.
And how it takes away time from him.
And so I had to basically counter object to the simple
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fact that he has his own thing that he does as a hobby.
And I said this is my hobby. And I told him, I said if you
take this away from me, I won't be the same person.
Yeah, I will be a very unhappy. Person.
I feel like I wouldn't be the same person if I didn't have
BDSM too. I wouldn't be happy.
You would feel like a shell of aperson, Like, how can you go
back after you've already had it?
Yeah. Been plucked out of the matrix,
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can't go back into it. I mean, and that same mindset
know that, yeah. Know that everything.
Doesn't does not compute at thatpoint.
See, that's why it bothers me somuch.
One, that he would say it, but two, there's so many people in
the Venolin lifestyle and it's just like, God, that's your
fucking life. Like that's your boring fucking
life. I can't even talk to people in
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the vanilla world just because Ican't.
It's so mundane. They're they're, they want to
talk about taxes and. Church.
Yeah, and that's not that's yourConversations of Life
fellowship. It's like, Jesus, please stop.
You look on people's Facebook ofour friends and the people I
went to school with. And one girl, she'd reached out
to me. She's like, oh, you know, you
just had a birthday. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What'd you do for your birthday?Well, I had one fuck of a great
time for my birthday. And then trust me, it involved
whips and chains in my fucking birthday.
And I told her. I told her I was like, yeah.
I said, you know, it was really great.
I said, but, you know, I won't bore you with the details.
But, you know, I do a sex podcast.
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And she's like, you know, I always knew that you were going
to do something kinky. Meanwhile, I'm looking at her
Facebook. You know, she's proud of her two
kids. I get it.
But you know, she said a stay athome mom.
I'm like, what do you do for fucking fun?
Sew and bake cakes like. Stay at home.
Mom is hard, OK? We can't.
That's hard We. Can't really to go too hard on a
stay at home mom because you have no money, no time, no way
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to get out the house. That's what I'm children.
I have compassion for her because I'm like, bitch, you got
a boring ass fucking life. Yeah, and working like a dog
for. What?
To raise two kids that aren't going to come see you when
you're old. Like, really?
Yeah, kind of ways of balancing that out.
Yeah, there's ways of balancing you just it's just, you know,
what are you? Because you got to give and
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take. What are you willing, right?
Live. I don't know how you do it.
I really don't. I don't know how you did it.
And you got three damn kids. I don't know how.
You did that. I died.
I know I died mentally when I got a job outside of my stay at
home mom. This oh man, I was like Oh my
God, real people conversation. Yeah.
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Yeah, I had. To do it.
Fuck that. Fuck that all day long.
When my daughter was young, she would get mad about eating the
same crackers. Like she just wanted to eat
these crackers, but I she'd havethem all day.
So I put them up on top of the refrigerator and she just would
pitch a fit because they were upthere, like just because of
daggone crackers. And I'm just over here like, I
just want to talk about something new than these
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crackers. I just want to have an adult
conversation. Yeah, yeah.
This next question is very interesting though.
How would you say that your reallife BDSM kink varies from
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fantasy BDSM kink? If you haven't experienced real
life, which we already know you have, I mean you've experienced
a lot this summer post. So I mean, is your fantasy any
different than what we already do in reality?
My mind works in mysterious ways, so I mean there, like I
said, I'm constantly evolving, so there's all, you know, once I
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add something to the repertoire,then I go, hmm, that's cool.
And ooh, but if I could mind this with this, hmm.
And that would up it, you know, 20% more than it was before.
But that also comes through knowledge as far as like real
life kink versus like fantasy kink.
Let's just be honest, a lot of us have a fucking awesome
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imagination when it comes to kink.
And what we envision is like theperfect thing.
But then when it actually happens, our reaction may be
totally different from what we thought it was going to be.
You know, in my head, I can takea ton.
And you could beat me for three days in a row and I'm like, I'm
good. But I know in reality, well, you
got a hill back there. Yeah.
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So. Yeah.
So yeah, it's. You got to be careful about what
your expectations are because you'll also disappoint yourself
if you're not too careful. OK.
What are the most difficult aspects of having a sexuality
that involves kink or BDSM for you personally?
Would you consider BDSM and a kink a benefit to your
personality or do you consider almost a curse is what now I'm
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reading the question? Okay, well before that I came
into MIAs life. I felt like it was a curse.
I felt like I was so different from everybody.
I felt like nobody would ever understand me because I felt
like I was. I felt like I was aware of so
much that nobody else was aware of.
And it made me feel kind of lonely.
And I guess I didn't really see it as kink.
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I just saw it as something that was wrong because I was just so
like, I'd be aware of, like, my vagina or how somebody would
talk to me or, you know, it's just like nobody else would feel
those feelings. And I would be like, what's
wrong? Yeah.
So I would say in the beginning,it was a curse.
Now that I've been in become theDom and unlocked this new
version of myself, yes. I feel like I have some sort of
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blessing. And the blessing is the same
thing, that I can see the world differently, that I am
different. It's the curse in the blessing.
I just was able to accept it. No, I love that explanation.
All right, Mia. Yes, ma'am.
What misconception about kinky people would you most like to
clear up? That's a good one.
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That is a good one. And I think we've touched base
on this before. You know, everyone has a
different misconceptions of a lot of people.
So the adult babies get a bad rap.
They automatically associate that with very shitty things.
People that are like pain sluts,they automatically think you
know they love to be victimized in real life too.
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Oh yeah, that one. I can see that one.
You can see that. And you know my biggest pet
peeve, biggest huge huge pet peeve is when you have a Dom and
it's typically a male Dom. I haven't experienced women
doing this but I'm sure it exists.
But male doms automatically treating women as sub females
like they're automatically like they're automatically
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submissive. I have been in public of all
places I've been in public and I've seen male doms and they
would completely disrespect me knowing that I was a dominant.
Dom should disrespect. But people but Doms do there's
there's I don't. Think they're too dumb?
I think they're just a jerk. I see.
I see what you're saying. Yeah, but that, but that's what
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they do. I mean, they they don't give a
fuck. They treat every woman like
they're a submissive. I mean, I met one in public one
time and he was looking my tits the whole time and I was like,
you know, I'm a dominatrix. That's not a domino, that's
literally a Dick. I know he's a douche, but that's
my point is there's a lot of fucking, you know, male doms,
but they completely use their power to think they control all
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women, right? So again, it's a misconception.
All women aren't submissive is my point.
Yeah, just like. All men are doms.
Exactly, exactly. So anywho, that's my take now
yes, any kinky videos and pet peeves that you have so many
good experiences with? Yeah, maybe that the the
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Internet presence of of availability of videos out there
are so not what the real experience is that I think that
people get a understanding and then they that's incorrect.
Absolutely. I don't think it's necessarily
betrayed exactly how it should be, you know, in the, the, the
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porn world or adult entertainment world.
I think sometimes people, they need to, if you're gonna make
something that's you're saying is specializing in this area,
well, maybe you need to, you know, get a little education, go
to see what actually happens andthen make a video from that.
That would be my personal pet peeve when it comes to this
world. Yeah, absolutely.
All right. So, Madame Liv, any unexpected
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ways kink has improved your life?
If So, what are they? Kink improving my life
definitely gave me confidence. I got a lot of confidence from
it. You know, I have been able to be
a better mother in some ways. But you know, BDSM and in the
life that I've had, I had just got into a relationship around
the same time, right? So I think that healed me as
well because of the type of relationship I needed for some,
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what I wasn't getting and then this.
So I think it's all in one. It's not just the BDSM, it's my
relationship has made me better as well.
But for a lot of things, it's definitely made me love myself
more. I like that, like that.
All right, talk about something within kinker BDSM that you're
curious about or you don't understand.
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We're just get that one because you know, OK.
Favorite BDSM related book fiction or not fiction?
All right, well, actually I'm writing my own book, so it's
going to be my favorite. When is it going to be out?
I'm going to, I'm going to push that.
I'm going to push it over and over again on every.
Fucking episode. It's going to be a true story.
It's a true story. It's going to be based on a
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certain individual and it's going to be based on her
experiences, how things began and how things evolved.
And that will be 1 of several SO.
When is your book going to be done?
Probably another six months maybe, if that, and I just need
to find a good publisher and a good publishing deal, honestly.
How exciting, Yeah. You think?
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You're going to know like an audio book as well.
Yeah, you just want me, the voice, to know.
We need an audio book. I'm just saying like, yeah, I've
heard you read stories and I think it would be a good
endeavour, I think. They make audio books for your
books, but it's not you. And I realized that that some of
the people that are audio booking it isn't the person that
writes it. So I need to do my.
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Own. Yeah, I think you.
Do thank you both. Yeah, I really do.
I'll do it. I'll do it.
Yeah. Well, catch up my latest that I
wrote, and that was a true storyabout Brie, and it was the
Bastianado story. And people told me they really
liked it. So I was very appreciative of
that, that they enjoyed it. All right, so PO, what do you
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think is important in keeping ABDSM relationship healthy?
How does it differ from a vanilla relationship?
But while you have both of thosethings, in a way you're we have
a relationship with Liv. So kind of goes back to what I
was saying earlier, you know, communication, honesty.
But I also think it's really important to every now and again
have renegotiations, look at what's going on and just sit
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down. Hey, what are you liking about
what's going on? What are you not a fan of that's
going on? Not necessarily that you're
creating your hard limits or anything of that nature, you're
just kind of steering the relationship in the way that
it's mutually beneficial to bothof you and that you're both
still exciting. That works in both BDSM and
vanilla though. I I guess you are correct.
I would usually just call it more compromising in vanilla
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life versus there's an established dynamic when it
comes to BDSM and kink and there's rules set forth and
sometimes those rules need to bere examined and looked at and
go, OK, is it still for the betterment of of the sub or is
it still for the betterment of the Dom?
I see what you're saying. As opposed to vanilla life.
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It's just like, OK, we made these decisions.
OK, well, let's let's compromise, you know, OK,
instead of going out to eat fivedays a week, we're going to go
out to eat too. You know, just that's still.
A rule, but yeah, I know it plays with each.
Other. It really does.
It really does you. Can learn from how we, the BDSM
world functions and utilize thatin a relationship.
Totally agree with that. In a better the relationship.
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Totally agree with that. Since you first developed an
interest and kink, have your interests or perspectives
changed, and if so, how? Yeah, I would say they changed
because I'd be able to achieve some of the things that I
wanted. OK.
It doesn't feel like so much of A itch I can't scratch because
that's the worst feeling. You can't fulfill that.
It's I don't know, you just think itch you can't scratch and
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you know it changing. It has changed in ways like
where I want it differently because you know your fantasies
when you're not had it, it's youknow the specific way and then
you're like, when you get there,you're like, it's not actually
realistic or not everybody can supply the things that you need
and that matters. Now of course you're discussing
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it from the Subs perspective. When you came into it, did you
know or think I want to dominate?
I want to Dom as well. When I came into.
To the BDSM. Now world.
Did you ever envision yourself? As a doc?
As a Absolutely not. OK.
Absolutely not. I really thought I wouldn't be
able to do it OK because of how submissive I was.
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But once you know, I realized that I can utilize my
information of what I want and give it to them, which does
satisfy a little piece in me of that I'm actually getting it
because I'm seeing it happen. Even though it's not happening
to me, I still get like a sense the fulfillment doesn't mean
that I wish I couldn't die myself.
That would be cool. Yeah.
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What qualities do you look for in a partner I.
Honestly, we should give advice to people.
OK. You know who are looking for
people, I often give people thisadvice and that is it's kind of
like PO, for example, I said to PO, you need to find someone who
is very open minded, someone whohonestly is not going to be
like, Oh my God, you like to wear diapers.
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Oh, you're into adult baby. You know, someone who is not
going to be so judgmental. So you have to do you have to
find someone who knows how to treat people very well, like
going out, seeing how they treatpeople and interact, you know,
wait staff, are they friendly, do you think?
You need to find yourself like literally a girl version of you.
Oh, 100%. I can see, I can see what you're
(33:02):
saying. Like you really look into
yourself and what you need that you can almost anticipate what
somebody else needs. Yeah.
And if somebody else could do that for you, I think that'd be
really good for you, yeah. Definitely.
That definitely someone who could self reflect and.
I'm accepting applications. Absolutely, yes.
But I think that's what we have to do.
We have to find that females, when I have been in this
(33:24):
lifestyle for as long as I have,most of my female friends are
female submissives and they always go for men that are new
into the lifestyle that come in the lifestyle or they've they've
moved here and they call themselves a male Dom.
And I'm like, OK, but how much experience do they have?
Do you connect with them on other levels?
(33:45):
And that's the thing I think people need to say, Hey, we're
going to do the the vanilla world first and then go from the
vanilla world into, hey, where do we go from here, right?
Are you willing to explore the aspects of BDSM?
But you have to find someone whois like you, just like Liv said.
So someone who is compassionate.I look for when I honestly, I
(34:07):
wasn't looking for anyone when Ifound my husband.
And but you know, I automatically looked for a man
who was submissive. I always looked for a man that
had a shit together. I always looked for a man who
was kind of compassionate, especially to animals.
Yeah, that's a big one for me. So, yeah.
So I looked for all these good qualities.
So all those good qualities are going to come from a person and
(34:30):
even before the lifestyle. Oh great.
Yeah, you know, that's probably what's going to 1st attract you
to that person. Yeah, 100 percent, 100%.
When I first met my husband, it was him coming in and being
really naive and really just kind of I blew his mind the
first night, right? And so he kept coming back.
But after we started to get to know each other, he would spend
(34:53):
every weekend with me. And yeah, Grant would have sex
all weekend and we would eat in bed and, you know, watch movies
together. But we like the same movies.
We like the same music. We have a ton of things in
common. You just go back to someone like
yourself. And I think that's great advice
from Liv. It's so true.
I like it. Yeah, just don't meet some wacky
(35:13):
fucking teacher or nurse becausemost of them about that shit
crazy. Just going to tell you guys it's
true. You know it's true.
They're kinky, but they're fucking crazy.
You might need a little crazy, you know, just for the
beginning, like a little test run, you know?
Whoever wants to ride. A Pell?
A little bit, yeah. A little crazy.
Crazy. You don't have to be like.
(35:35):
What? What did?
What did ludicrous say? I want a lady in the streets but
a freak in the bed. All right, so.
All right, Poe, Yes. How open are you about your
kinks? Oh, shit, shit.
So. It's according what world I'm
in, yeah, and how much anonymityI have in that world.
(35:55):
When you're with Liv and I, you can just open up.
I mean, yeah, your Dick. I put a chassis device on right
in front of you and I was like, you know, it's so freaking cool
that I could sit here and not really fondle my balls, but sit
here and like juggle my balls toget it into this thing.
And you are like, you didn't even bat an eye.
Like, didn't even Liv was like, you're doing that, Yeah.
(36:17):
We were having normal conversation, like we're tired
of relationship shit. You're like you're juggling your
balls trying to put him in the cage.
And I'm like, yeah, go ahead, gothat next step up.
Yeah, well, that's how you put it.
On there, like, yeah. That's what I'm trying to figure
it out. Lives like, what are you doing?
I'm like, he's putting on his OK, You're like, really?
Let me see. And you're like, I was trying to
be decent. And be respectful, you know,
(36:40):
like. You were in a doctor's
everything. But it was my my dog wanted
APOV, so she got right up in theold.
Shit, she did, she, she, you know, it's all good.
Everybody needs to put on a showevery now and again.
Exactly. And then of course, on the
Internet, it's a lot easier to put stuff out there if they
don't necessarily know who you are to have a little bit of fun
and, you know, honestly get other people's opinions without
having to worry about. You know.
(37:00):
Yeah, exactly. So I, I enjoy that.
That's my space test people's brains to go.
Is it acceptable this year? OK, No, no.
OK next year, next year, next year.
We'll try it again next year. You know, one time I was in this
biology class years ago, I fucking hated biology, but this
chick was always bitching about this guy she wanted to date.
(37:24):
So she went and made this guy a meal from home.
She did all these things and she's like, yeah, but you know,
ultimately we went and had sex and he just got off and left.
And I was like, OK, so I'm goingto give you a little advice.
Tiffany didn't want you. He came over some for some food
and booty and he fucking got offand left.
(37:46):
And bottom line, that's why you need a submissive man, because
submissive man who is going to be diligent, he's going to have
strong feelings. He's not going to waste his time
if he's not interested, Sure. And he's going to want to pound
the fuck out of that pussy untilyou're satisfied.
And she looked at me when I saidhey you should join Fetlife and
she looked at me like what the fuck is that I?
(38:06):
Definitely got that question before too and I'm like, doesn't
everybody know? No, they do.
Not. Fit.
I mean like. They do not.
But she looked at me and she would never talk to me after
that. I was like, bitch, you don't
even know. You.
Don't know what you missing hoe you don't.
Yeah, here again, they don't understand the healing and
everything. Else not.
(38:26):
Yeah, they're lost. So very true.
Madam Liv, what's your opinion on online BDSM play?
Oh, I think it makes it a littlebit more real depending on how
you play because you are not being faced with the the facial
expressions. Cause some like Dom's are
hesitant when their sub says ow or it hurts or their face winces
(38:49):
and they kind of like get a little bit, you know, Yeah.
And I played where I was online and but see, the only thing
about online is sometimes the Internet goes out.
And so I had put clothes pins onmy nipples and was made to do it
a certain amount of time. OK.
And then he didn't message back for a very long time.
(39:10):
I almost started crying because I was going to be a good sub and
I'm not going to take these off me even though they hurt.
They'd be on there way too long.OK.
And once he ha man I. That's a sub move.
Oh yeah, I she. She is not a quitter.
I was not going to quit. I was going to be a good sub,
but man, I was, I was crying andI was just like, I don't want to
do this. And I couldn't message, I
message him, he wouldn't messageme back.
(39:32):
I don't like that aspect of it. But you know, I'd still like the
aspect that you don't see the face, you don't see the, you
just see the command. And I like that.
You know, that happened one timewith my husband before I met
him. He was, you know, talking to
this this female Dom online and she hadn't put Gator clips on
his nipples and run for 2 miles.What's a Gator clip?
(39:55):
That's a those are alligators, like little pokey, like a teeth.
Yes, and they're nipple. Clips teeth.
They're hardcore. They're not nipple clamps,
they're hair clamps. For your hair?
Oh no, no, no, not. Those Oh, I know what?
You're talking about though the.The alligator, yeah.
The alligator? No.
These look like little jumper cables, but you use them for
tools. OK, Yeah.
(40:16):
Like it's like a man's tool, like the whole thing.
They're are they small or they? Yeah, they're small.
OK. Yeah.
Yeah, we have those. In the dentures, yes.
OK. He's had teeth too.
And he, he said his nipples werefucking bleeding while he was
running. Yeah, but it was exhilarating
for him. He liked it.
Oh yeah, it definitely is exhilarating because you, you
can see how far you can push yourself and you know you're
not, you're not doing it for yourself.
(40:38):
Somebody else is then awaiting you to please them.
Yeah, you're going to do this thing for me and you're going to
push yourself past your limits for me.
Wow. And I like that.
But anyways, right Mia, do your non kink interest ever find
their way into your kinky activities?
(41:00):
Yeah, they do so. Yeah, like even swimming.
You're out there naked. Yeah, and fucking in the pool
and all that and doing bondage, water underwater and that kind
of shit. Yeah, yeah, I put him in
handcuffs and push him down in the shallow end, OK, until I
can't take it anymore. So it's like a breath play.
Yeah, interesting. Almost to the point where, like,
(41:21):
he wants to drown, but back up. Yeah, we do that.
Interesting. Yeah, then we do shit in the
kitchen before anyone else can walk in.
You know what? Do you do in the kitchen?
I don't do anything with the food or anything gross, but
nothing like that. But it's usually something like
I'll have his expandable butt plug in while I'm making dinner
(41:42):
and if he's bad, give him a little pump, pump.
I'll choke him a little bit. I'll push him up up against the
counter, I'll knee him in the nuts if he gives me a hard time.
That kind of stuff. It's fun.
Nice, right? Yeah.
Yeah, I was with you into the knee of the nuts and I was like,
oh, that's a romantic. And that's that's just good.
And then you're like, Nah, kneebin the nuts.
And I'm like you. Know what's really funny is you
(42:04):
know he's a battered husband. When he flinches every time I go
for him, he's like, oh, God. Oh.
God, he's like, oh. God, she's gonna hit me.
I'm like, yeah, bitch, remember that?
Remember that? I'll fuck you up.
That's great. Respect my authority.
Exactly. All right, Shut up, Charles.
Right loves Cartman, right? Do you dress for kink and BDSM
(42:28):
play? What significance does your
attire have to you? Oh, that's.
A good question for Paul. Yes, it.
Is. It's part of what I'm doing, the
activity. Yeah.
Yeah, the feelings definitely, you know, is going to influence
me into what activity I'm going to take place in that day.
Of course, you know, it's ABDL, It's gonna be adult baby stuff.
(42:52):
If it's impact play, still gonnabe little boy underwear, that
kind of thing. Because I always like my little
to be attached to be somehow. Didn't have little underground
last night. I didn't.
I didn't. Where was little PO?
Where was little PO? He didn't come here last night.
Little podium. What up?
But he hit. He was like, I'm going back here
(43:14):
and I'm gonna let, I'm gonna letyou adults, you know, do what
y'all need to do. You got jiggity with it.
Yeah. But yeah, so it's definitely
specific clothing to whatever activity is going on.
Clothing makes me feel a certainway too it.
Really does, doesn't it really sets the stage, definitely.
(43:34):
So I think you're. The last question.
You were looking bomb ass in your your little dress last
night. I, I love the little the little
straps with the with the diamonds in it.
That's sexy. So pretty and it was so soft.
Yeah, I really wanted to wear that other dunder we were gonna
go to. Yeah, but it just wasn't working
for me. Yeah, I just kept falling.
(43:54):
I was like, yeah, I'll probably just you could wear it for like
an hour for a session, but for an all day event, yeah, even the
shoes I was wearing kept slipping.
So I was like, this is just miserable.
It's an hour, it's good for an hour, it's even good for two
hours. But any further?
Whoo, Nelly, I get it. Be looking sloppy all right.
So do you have a BDSM title? Mistress, master, slut, pig or
(44:17):
Princess? Goddess, Ma'am, Sir.
And what is your opinions of theuse of titles just in general?
I think it's very important to have a Dom have a title because
you need to have that as a. To to it's.
It establishes a level of respect and.
Yeah. And so I do not like when people
call me ma'am when we're in a session, like, yes, ma'am was
(44:38):
always yes, Mistress. OK, That's why I'm always like,
or I'm sorry, not Mistress, Madam Live.
So yeah, I always make sure thatit's Madam Live.
OK, I didn't know that. Interesting.
That's what's on my. Yeah, I knew, I knew that part.
And I don't think I've ever really done it, but I just.
But as like a sub, it really depends on the play that we're
having. Little one pet, you know, I
think those are the two I reallylike.
(44:59):
Little girl. No, not a little girl, just
little one. A little one, OK.
I don't know why. What about difference?
What about like good girl? That guy?
Like good girl? Like a good girl.
That's depending on the play though, right?
Of course. Like being human.
Furniture, you know, feels more like pet.
Definitely. I like it.
Got it all right. Lift last but not least.
Whatever BDSM kink related thingdo you want to write about isn't
(45:20):
that. Funny.
Yeah, I like. How it was each one of our
questions was really, we wear, of course it's going to be the
adult baby that we're going to ask.
It was very, yeah, it was very geared to that.
You know, I think the biggest thing, you know, I never wrote a
journal and Liv and I've talked about this before because it's
important that a lot of submissive people and and Doms,
(45:42):
if they want to do that too, write a journal.
And I never did. And I, I really wish I would
have even years ago to try to remember things.
But it's funny. I'll go back on my emails and
I'll go back on my pictures from, you know, 20 plus years
ago. It's the.
Same. Feeling it's the same feeling.
And it, that's kind of my, my journal is going back on my old
emails and reading my old emailsand, and seeing those things.
(46:06):
And so, you know, really I want to write more and more about the
experiences that I've had and. Even the mundane things, you
really, really enjoy the mundanewritings because you like, think
about my kids were so young during that time.
And I'm talking about how aggravated I am in the day and
how much I love my life, even though it's so aggravating.
And it's just like, wow, I love reading back on my feelings of
(46:28):
the days whenever I was dealing with little kids.
I don't remember those days, butreading back on it is nice.
That's why I'll never throw awaymy books I write in.
Well, I like like to go back on,you know, experiences that I've
had with clients over the years with different people and
different things. And even when I was single and
all the experiences then it's like, whoo, yeah, gang bangs.
(46:51):
Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's talk about that.
Experience. Yeah, I could really go into
that. That's hot.
But yeah, it's been fun. Yeah, that was a good, good
little list of questions. I enjoyed that.
I do too. I read that and I thought, OK,
we're going to do this with Liv and PO.
Yeah, it. Was a nice podcast, I liked it.
(47:11):
I liked it, yeah. Not only did we get some
information out there, but I think maybe we even learned just
about each other. That's.
That's true, right? That's awesome.
All right, I love learning things about child.
You're a great group. Triangle is the strongest shape
in the world. That's right.
All right.
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