May 5, 2025 • 25 mins
We explore motherhood as God's tangible love on earth, diving into biblical examples from Eve to Sarah to understand the divine purpose behind being a life-giver. Through personal stories and spiritual insights, we unpack how motherhood reflects God's character while acknowledging there's no perfect way to mother.
• Motherhood defines women's unique ability to partner with God in creating life
• The name Eve means "life-giver," showing God's intentional design for women
• Sarah's story demonstrates God's faithfulness even in seemingly impossible situations
• Motherhood extends beyond biological connections to include various forms of nurturing
• Prayer becomes the foundation of motherhood, whether by choice or necessity
• God remains faithful to mothers despite their imperfections and doubts
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Call by God podcast.
I am the co-host, adni Godin,and today we are having an
amazing discussion on motherhood.
It will be myself, lakeishaLogan, which y'all know her as
Lakeisha Hicks, because the lasttime she was on here and we
recorded she was Lakeisha Hicks.
(00:21):
And then we have SisterKimberly Hernandez, who is no
stranger to the Called by Godpodcast.
Good afternoon, my sisters.
How are y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh we are, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm
wonderful.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, same here, definitely blessed and kept.
It's a pleasure being here.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Amen, amen, amen.
All right, so we're about tohave a discussion on motherhood.
I went online, right, I'm goingto give you all the Webster's
Dictionary version, but I wanteach of you to share what your
definition of motherhood isafter I'm done with reading it.
So Webster says motherhood isthe state of being a mother.
(01:02):
A person enters into motherhoodwhen they become a mother.
This most commonly happens whentheir child is born, but it can
also happen through adoption,or by marrying or becoming a
partner to someone with children.
Motherhood is a gender specificversion of the term parenthood.
Who wants to go first of theterm parenthood?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Who wants to go first ?
When I just heard the partabout the gender-specific, I'm
like, oh, we about to open up acan of worms.
Oh, father gosh, I'll go firstIf you don't mind sis, if you
don't mind sis, if you don'tmind sis, if you don't mind sis,
(01:46):
if you don't mind whatmotherhood means to me, and I'll
share that because you know,walking through the walk of
being at 17 and having anabortion, I understand now
biblically why God gave womanlife gift life, as our sister
Elizabeth Stewart has alwaystaught us, is understanding that
(02:07):
we bring birth to somethingthat is amazing for God to
repeatedly continue for hisglory.
So understanding how to cherishthis part of being a woman and
to watch your child grow, evento beyond adulthood, is amazing.
The walk is amazing and thegift is amazing.
So I understand it.
And then just even studyingfrom biblical times of
(02:30):
understanding why women cherishof being honored to be a mother,
so I can't wait to dive intothis conversation and go further
.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That was awesome, sis , to me to define motherhood,
and I just said this not longago to someone that of course,
we know that we come in contactwith the love of God through
every single breath we breathe,every move we make.
We cannot do anything withoutGod.
(03:00):
God, I feel like motherhoodencompasses the love, the person
, spiritual, the being of God onearth, and that's why I told
someone I said the closest thingthat we have tangible love from
God comes through a mother,because there is nobody, I don't
(03:23):
care how much someone loves youor cherishes you, nobody is
going to love you like yourmother.
Now, there are some deviationsto that.
Okay, so we're going to keep itreal.
There are some, you know.
It's almost kind of like itsays and I'm not saying that
this is the context many arecalled, but few are chosen, just
like Lakeisha.
(03:44):
You know you spoke aboutabortion and sometimes some
women give up that right.
I don't want to go too far inbecause I know we're just
defining motherhood.
Um, god has predestined womenand I'm glad you said gender
specific, because there are somethat has crossed over.
And just because you callyourself, that does not mean
that's what you are.
(04:04):
I can say I'm a duck, but I amnot a duck.
Okay, I'm a woman, I'm a humanbeing, so I'll digress, but
that's what motherhood is to me.
Motherhood is that display ofGod's tangible spirit and love
on earth and simple.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I love that you said that, sis, because sometimes we
look for love in every singleplace, right?
And your mama is looking at youlike baby.
If you would just listen to me,if you would just hear what I'm
saying to you, right, it's yourmother's voice that you hear,
(04:43):
but it's God ministering throughher to you.
Sometimes our ears are soclogged with the world that we
can't even hear him speak to us.
Because you said, mothers arethe most tangible, closest thing
to God that we have here onearth.
That's powerful Motherhood tome.
Many know my story Threeabortions.
(05:05):
My first child was born at theage of 14.
I didn't want to be nobody'smama at no dang age of 14, let's
be honest.
But once I saw her, I knew thatthere was a shift that needed
to take place.
Did I understand that shift?
Absolutely not, because I willalways say this and many people
(05:26):
don't believe it our brainsdon't develop until we turn 25.
So a 14-year-old little girlhaving a whole baby does not
make her a grown woman, right?
So when I think aboutmotherhood, it's the fight that
we have for our children, theway we try and support them in
(05:48):
the best way that we can and Iagree with both women.
Right, motherhood is of God,like you said.
Elizabeth said it best Womancomes from life to give life.
Eve came from Adam living beingand God used her to carry Cain
and Abel.
Since I said that, let's goahead and define Eve.
(06:11):
Right, it says Eve, and this isfrom the Strong's definition.
It says life or living, thefirst woman, wife of Adam, shava
(06:32):
or chava, and in the hebrew,positively from hebrews, two,
two, three, three, one lifegiver, the first woman.
She's our mother.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
These are mother Adam , eve, cain, abel, seth, right,
and then the line continues.
And here we have us humanbeings.
And it's not to compare because, yes, we know, you know there's
, there's, like we say, protocol, right, and they are in the
facet of business, in thebusiness arena.
And so, yes, we know that wehave God and then we have, you
know, the husband or man, andthen the woman.
(07:17):
But it just struck me becausewhen you look at Eve and I know
we make jokes and say, oh God,that woman, okay, because she
was the one that caused the fall, right, but what just blew my
mind listening to you was thatGod is in Christ, is the Alpha
and the Omega.
(07:39):
Eve is the representation thatGod chose woman to participate
in the Alpha, even though shewas the cause of the fall of man
.
I think that God's relationshipwith Eve is amazing because she
is representative of the Alpha.
God has allowed her to be thealpha where she gives life.
(08:01):
And, just like you said, yes,she came from man and she came
from a life, but he can't givelife.
And so I think that that isamazing, even as women and even
as we look at Mother Eve, towrap our minds around the fact
and, like I said, it makes mesee God in his love for a woman,
on his forgiveness for a woman,even though she created the
(08:24):
fall, but then his use for awoman and, like I said, eve is
to me representative of a partof God, in a sense that she's
alpha, because she's where lifebegins, as a mother that's
delicious, right.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Many people will be like, oh, that's blasphemy.
But think about it.
Think about it.
Life began with her.
Without her womb, no babieswould have been born, right?
So I'm going to say somethingso controversial before we
continue.
A couple of years ago, therewere women who were being
kidnapped and killed and theirwombs were being taken to be
implanted in men.
(09:02):
Those men couldn't sustain thatwomb.
Their bodies could not, becauseyou have a certain chromosome.
A woman has a certainchromosome.
You can't cross-contaminatethat, right.
So when you try andcross-contaminate, it ain't
(09:23):
going to work.
So they stopped.
I'm going to say this I love men.
I do.
Please don't take me as a manbasher.
I know this is a series onmotherhood, but this is in my
spirit to say God was sostrategic in creating man.
God was so strategic increating man, who you are, the
(09:46):
power, the dominion that he hasgiven you.
The fact that you have giventhat up is a testament to the
fact that you don't evenunderstand the love of God, to
the point where you want tobecome like me, who bleeds every
month as cramps, like it ain'tnobody's business, okay.
(10:08):
And then, when I hit a certainage, I'm going through
perimenopause and figuring outwhy my body changing.
Why would you want to do that?
Well, here's the clue you can'teven go through that.
You can't even experience thefull transition of what a woman
goes through.
The change of life for us isabsolutely different than yours,
(10:30):
so why?
Why would you want to releasethe identity that God has given
you to try and take on mine?
I digress, but, keisha, whatdid you have to say on Mother
Eve?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
OK, you have said a whole lot, a whole lot with a
whole lot.
But to go back, I want to saythat I commend you because what
you said was profound, justacknowledging the fact of who we
stand for in our work as awoman and how we are to be more
(11:06):
Christ-like, christ-driven,because he made us specifically
for this purpose.
And even in the downfall withEve the sin that was the first
sin he still gave her abeautiful and I'm just going to
say this, it's a beautifulpunishment, because it could
have been worse.
So I'm grateful for that,because he still gave us the
(11:30):
pain of child labor, but he gaveus the joy of the child, and
that temporary, that temporarypain is nothing compared to
seeing that life come forth andholding that child and looking
at this.
And you have to modify, youchange your whole world, because
you have now birthed somethingthat is really your arms versus
(11:53):
what was in your womb, andyou're having thoughts, you're
trying to figure out what thischild will look like, the
creativity You're thinking about, you even start planning the
future and everything like that.
But when that child comes intoyour hands or in place in your
arms or into your bosom, all ofthose things go out the door.
Everything you worried about,everything you were scared of,
(12:14):
what you were nervous, even thejoy that you're planning down
the road, because you change thetrajectory when you actually
find out what the child is,what's going on, how beautiful
this new life is.
So I I definitely want topiggyback on what's going to be
said, because that's what mademe think about.
Is that that that permanent,the permanent pain only lasts
(12:37):
for so long because it's goingto be permanent, because it's
the fact that we're going to, wesustain it, we remember it
every time that birthday comearound.
You're remembering that woundlike oh, you carried me nine
months.
Well, my body changed becauseof this.
So I say permanent in themindset, but it was temporary
pain for nine months for Leslieand for some.
And to be able to hold thatbundle of joy that is now you
(13:00):
know that creation.
And how close do we get toJesus?
As women?
Do we give life Because he madelife, god made life we come to.
The next best thing is beingable to create life too now.
So I think that's justmarvelous.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Amen, amen, hallelujah.
So now we're going to talkabout Mother Sarah, right?
So now we're going to talkabout Mother Sarah, right?
Her name means noble woman.
She was the wife of Abraham andmother of Isaac.
When her name was changed, itsays princess, noble woman,
noble lady.
Why did I choose Sarah?
Because after Sarah, after Eve,comes Sarah, right.
(13:38):
Why did Sarah have to come next?
Because God had a plan.
God had a perfect, amazing plan.
Here it is.
This is a woman who's how oldwas Sarah?
Abraham was 75.
He's 10 years older than her.
(13:58):
So she was what, right?
But God said I have a plan andin that plan you're going to
have a unique child becauseyou're going to be.
No, I'm sorry, he wasn't 10years older than her because she
was 99 and he was a hundred.
So yeah, he was.
She was 74.
Forgive me y'all, she was 74when God made the promise to
Abraham.
And then, at 99, god opens herwomb and gives her a son.
(14:24):
Now we all know, once the bodygoes through the changes, ain't
nothing coming out.
Ain't nothing, I don't care whotrying to.
Ain't nothing coming about,right, she already went through
the changes.
Ain't no eggs available.
There's nothing right but God.
God, in his perfect, omniscient, omnipresent plan, brought a
(14:48):
baby forth between Abraham andSarah.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
When I hear about Sarah's story, I'll just tell
you this First of all, I'll belike Lord, please, not me.
That'll be the first thing Ithink about.
I'm sorry I do.
I'll be like Lord, please,please, because I know he's
still working on this.
I'm just like Father, god, lord, please, not me.
But I never know what his plansare.
(15:13):
But I think it's amazing becauseI look at the fact of what she
had, what she put on the lineand watching all those around
her during that time frame,because motherhood was cherished
.
Motherhood meant that you, youwalked a certain way as a woman.
It's a certain classificationand so if you think about being
(15:35):
at that age, being birthed, youknow, first of all you take it
as a joke.
I believe she did chuckle, soshe was like and not in a way of
disgrace, it was just like, hey, I can't, you know, I can't
even fathom that thought,because that would be me.
I can't even fathom thatthought of thinking I'm going to
chuckle like guy got jokes.
I know he got jokes, but tostill think of her, even at that
(16:00):
age, is amazing.
To still give her glory at thatage is amazing, because the
simple fact of the matter isthat she, she was, um, like I
said, a frowned upon because ofthat classification.
Those are the things I takeaway from that.
He still gave her her crown asthe princess, like you said, as
(16:21):
the value of knowing that she'swoman and that she can still
have the remaining years of herlife to still watch grow, to
still be a part, being knownthat she is whole, because back
then, I mean, I have been amother, you were not considered
whole, but that's what I get outof that.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Since that was so powerful, and I'm happy that you
mentioned and you tie it backinto her name.
I'm happy that you mentioned andyou tied back into her name.
And one thing that we know inthe biblical times God help us
now.
But in the biblical timeschildren were named by maybe
location, place, circumstance,so for her to carry the name as
(17:11):
a noble woman, but then what'shappening in her life and what
her life mirrors does not equateto nobility and so, but then,
just like you said, when I thinkabout Sarah, I think about the
faithfulness of God, because sooften, as a single mother, as a
divorcee which is speaking ofmyself and others, and I skipped
(17:32):
over it in the beginning, butI'm going to touch on it now
because when we speak aboutmotherhood, I know Anthony said,
you know you may have beenmarried in, but then there are
some women that are mothers thathave not birthed children.
It's not by adoption, but theyare motherly, and so whatever
that call is that God has placedon you to be a mother, then
(17:56):
that's who you are when I thinkof Sarah and, like you all said,
her nobility, her name andknowing how God basically
brought honor to her.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because in her time, you know, you see your
brother-in-law, his wife,producing all these kids and you
right here just looking prettybecause they say she was fine.
Like when you read the Bible,they say Sarah was fine, it was
gorgeous, right?
Why you ain't got no kids.
I like to bring it to modernday.
(18:26):
When people look at you likewhat's wrong with you, girl, why
you ain't married, why youain't got no kids, I like to
bring it to modern day.
When people look at you likewhat's wrong with you, girl, why
you ain't married, why youain't got no kids.
Maybe it's not God's plan yetfor me.
I mean, sarah had to wait howmany years before she had a son,
right?
So when I think of her and Isometimes think of her
graciousness, that's what I seeit's like.
Did she get impatient?
(18:47):
Yes, think of her graciousness.
That's what I see it's like.
Did she get impatient?
Yes, but she was still gracious.
She was still gracious in thesense of it may not have
happened for me now, but I'mstill going to operate and I'm
still going to follow my husband.
When Abraham told her baby weleaving, she ain't questioning
him, she packed up and she left.
(19:07):
To me that is so honorable toknow that.
Oh, I have to follow this manand in following this man, I
think God really saw her heartand understood that she knows,
she understands and I'm going tobless her.
That's just Adney's version.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Also and I know that you mentioned initially the
transitioning from Eve to Sarah,and I always I think that God
just makes sure that we, as hischildren, we always see his
grace and, like you said, shewas gracious and Keisha said,
you know, as mothers, you knowthe way we walk, the way we
(19:51):
carry ourselves.
Motherhood is a noble, verynoble and humbling set of shoes
and steps to take, to take.
Sometimes I think that wereally don't encompass yes, you
know, thank you for Mother's Day, but what a woman gives of
(20:14):
herself to walk in those stepsand, like you said, etni, to
desire that and not have it andhave to relinquish to say I'm
just going to wait on God.
And I have a shirt.
I have a shirt that I just worethe other day and it says, um,
have faith, trust, pray.
And then on the sleeves it sayspray, and, and the biggest
(20:36):
theme of it is is prayer.
And I don't think any woman,mother, motherly, um, god,
mother, grandmother, whatever,if you know anything else, you
know to pray.
And so when I think of Sarah, Ithink of, just like you said,
being in those seasons of lifeand wanting something from God
(21:01):
and knowing that you've lived alife conducive of God's
blessings, but the blessings ithas not come.
And so when I look at Sarah, Ilook at, I see us sometimes even
as mothers, and we want ourchildren and I'm going a little
bit ahead, but we want things ofGod and motherhood and God
don't always show up the way wewant him to, and especially not
(21:24):
when we want him to.
But I think that we learn fromSarah, and even transitioning
from Eve to Sarah, that we'regoing to fall.
There's no perfection inmotherhood and I think that
sometimes, you know, we may beexpected to be perfect, to do
everything right, but there isno perfection in motherhood.
(21:46):
But yet, and still, eventhrough our imperfections in Eve
, imperfections in doubt inSarah, here comes God's
faithfulness, and it was noteven predicated on her, but she
was a benefactor of thatblessing.
Yes, he included her in theblessing within time, but God
had already set forth and spokea word that through Abraham
(22:08):
there would be many nations, andso I think that it's a
beautiful thing.
Do we like one?
You know, my Bible studyteacher said do we just slide
into heaven on greasy grace?
No, but it's a beautiful thingto know that we can be imperfect
women of God and mothers of Godand still trust God's love and
his faithfulness to still comethrough and to make good on his
(22:31):
promises.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But what Kimmy said was the part of the empathy
about being perfect, becausethere are certain standards in
the world that they hold us atwhat is considered fit and unfit
, but God is the only judge, butGod is the only judge.
God is the only judge.
And that's the beautiful partthe expectations of what the
(22:53):
world sees versus what we are tobecome, because it is a process
.
It never came with any type ofinstruction.
We never got instruction ofbeing a parent, of being a
mother, and the beautiful partis, like you said, being a
mother.
You're going to always be onyour knees one way or another,
whether you choose to, orwhether he humbles you, you're
(23:14):
going to always be on your knees, praying for the situation,
praying for the child, prayingfor the protection and making
sure that you're staying inalignment with him.
And even for those in the worldthat don't know God, they know
to call out to someone to helpthem in that time of need, even
if they just say oh Lord, butthey're not realizing.
(23:37):
You're calling and he hears you.
He hears you.
So I thank you, kimmy, forsaying that, because that's the
thing about it that we don'teven realize, even when we say,
oh Lord, my back.
Welcome to the Call by God podcast.
I am the co-host, adni Godin,and today we are having an
amazing discussion on motherhood.
It will be myself, lakeishaLogan, which y'all know her as
Lakeisha Hicks, because the lasttime she was on here and we
recorded she was Lakeisha Hicks.
(00:21):
And then we have SisterKimberly Hernandez, who is no
stranger to the Called by Godpodcast.
Good afternoon, my sisters.
How are y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh we are, I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm
wonderful.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yes, same here, definitely blessed and kept.
It's a pleasure being here.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Amen, amen, amen.
All right, so we're about tohave a discussion on motherhood.
I went online, right, I'm goingto give you all the Webster's
Dictionary version, but I wanteach of you to share what your
definition of motherhood isafter I'm done with reading it.
So Webster says motherhood isthe state of being a mother.
(01:02):
A person enters into motherhoodwhen they become a mother.
This most commonly happens whentheir child is born, but it can
also happen through adoption,or by marrying or becoming a
partner to someone with children.
Motherhood is a gender specificversion of the term parenthood.
Who wants to go first of theterm parenthood?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Who wants to go first ?
When I just heard the partabout the gender-specific, I'm
like, oh, we about to open up acan of worms.
Oh, father gosh, I'll go firstIf you don't mind sis, if you
don't mind sis, if you don'tmind sis, if you don't mind sis,
(01:46):
if you don't mind whatmotherhood means to me, and I'll
share that because you know,walking through the walk of
being at 17 and having anabortion, I understand now
biblically why God gave womanlife gift life, as our sister
Elizabeth Stewart has alwaystaught us, is understanding that
(02:07):
we bring birth to somethingthat is amazing for God to
repeatedly continue for hisglory.
So understanding how to cherishthis part of being a woman and
to watch your child grow, evento beyond adulthood, is amazing.
The walk is amazing and thegift is amazing.
So I understand it.
And then just even studyingfrom biblical times of
(02:30):
understanding why women cherishof being honored to be a mother,
so I can't wait to dive intothis conversation and go further
.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
That was awesome, sis , to me to define motherhood,
and I just said this not longago to someone that of course,
we know that we come in contactwith the love of God through
every single breath we breathe,every move we make.
We cannot do anything withoutGod.
(03:00):
God, I feel like motherhoodencompasses the love, the person
, spiritual, the being of God onearth, and that's why I told
someone I said the closest thingthat we have tangible love from
God comes through a mother,because there is nobody, I don't
(03:23):
care how much someone loves youor cherishes you, nobody is
going to love you like yourmother.
Now, there are some deviationsto that.
Okay, so we're going to keep itreal.
There are some, you know.
It's almost kind of like itsays and I'm not saying that
this is the context many arecalled, but few are chosen, just
like Lakeisha.
(03:44):
You know you spoke aboutabortion and sometimes some
women give up that right.
I don't want to go too far inbecause I know we're just
defining motherhood.
Um, god has predestined womenand I'm glad you said gender
specific, because there are somethat has crossed over.
And just because you callyourself, that does not mean
that's what you are.
(04:04):
I can say I'm a duck, but I amnot a duck.
Okay, I'm a woman, I'm a humanbeing, so I'll digress, but
that's what motherhood is to me.
Motherhood is that display ofGod's tangible spirit and love
on earth and simple.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I love that you said that, sis, because sometimes we
look for love in every singleplace, right?
And your mama is looking at youlike baby.
If you would just listen to me,if you would just hear what I'm
saying to you, right, it's yourmother's voice that you hear,
(04:43):
but it's God ministering throughher to you.
Sometimes our ears are soclogged with the world that we
can't even hear him speak to us.
Because you said, mothers arethe most tangible, closest thing
to God that we have here onearth.
That's powerful Motherhood tome.
Many know my story Threeabortions.
(05:05):
My first child was born at theage of 14.
I didn't want to be nobody'smama at no dang age of 14, let's
be honest.
But once I saw her, I knew thatthere was a shift that needed
to take place.
Did I understand that shift?
Absolutely not, because I willalways say this and many people
(05:26):
don't believe it our brainsdon't develop until we turn 25.
So a 14-year-old little girlhaving a whole baby does not
make her a grown woman, right?
So when I think aboutmotherhood, it's the fight that
we have for our children, theway we try and support them in
(05:48):
the best way that we can and Iagree with both women.
Right, motherhood is of God,like you said.
Elizabeth said it best Womancomes from life to give life.
Eve came from Adam living beingand God used her to carry Cain
and Abel.
Since I said that, let's goahead and define Eve.
(06:11):
Right, it says Eve, and this isfrom the Strong's definition.
It says life or living, thefirst woman, wife of Adam, shava
(06:32):
or chava, and in the hebrew,positively from hebrews, two,
two, three, three, one lifegiver, the first woman.
She's our mother.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
These are mother Adam , eve, cain, abel, seth, right,
and then the line continues.
And here we have us humanbeings.
And it's not to compare because, yes, we know, you know there's
, there's, like we say, protocol, right, and they are in the
facet of business, in thebusiness arena.
And so, yes, we know that wehave God and then we have, you
know, the husband or man, andthen the woman.
(07:17):
But it just struck me becausewhen you look at Eve and I know
we make jokes and say, oh God,that woman, okay, because she
was the one that caused the fall, right, but what just blew my
mind listening to you was thatGod is in Christ, is the Alpha
and the Omega.
(07:39):
Eve is the representation thatGod chose woman to participate
in the Alpha, even though shewas the cause of the fall of man
.
I think that God's relationshipwith Eve is amazing because she
is representative of the Alpha.
God has allowed her to be thealpha where she gives life.
(08:01):
And, just like you said, yes,she came from man and she came
from a life, but he can't givelife.
And so I think that that isamazing, even as women and even
as we look at Mother Eve, towrap our minds around the fact
and, like I said, it makes mesee God in his love for a woman,
on his forgiveness for a woman,even though she created the
(08:24):
fall, but then his use for awoman and, like I said, eve is
to me representative of a partof God, in a sense that she's
alpha, because she's where lifebegins, as a mother that's
delicious, right.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Many people will be like, oh, that's blasphemy.
But think about it.
Think about it.
Life began with her.
Without her womb, no babieswould have been born, right?
So I'm going to say somethingso controversial before we
continue.
A couple of years ago, therewere women who were being
kidnapped and killed and theirwombs were being taken to be
implanted in men.
(09:02):
Those men couldn't sustain thatwomb.
Their bodies could not, becauseyou have a certain chromosome.
A woman has a certainchromosome.
You can't cross-contaminatethat, right.
So when you try andcross-contaminate, it ain't
(09:23):
going to work.
So they stopped.
I'm going to say this I love men.
I do.
Please don't take me as a manbasher.
I know this is a series onmotherhood, but this is in my
spirit to say God was sostrategic in creating man.
God was so strategic increating man, who you are, the
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power, the dominion that he hasgiven you.
The fact that you have giventhat up is a testament to the
fact that you don't evenunderstand the love of God, to
the point where you want tobecome like me, who bleeds every
month as cramps, like it ain'tnobody's business, okay.
(10:08):
And then, when I hit a certainage, I'm going through
perimenopause and figuring outwhy my body changing.
Why would you want to do that?
Well, here's the clue you can'teven go through that.
You can't even experience thefull transition of what a woman
goes through.
The change of life for us isabsolutely different than yours,
(10:30):
so why?
Why would you want to releasethe identity that God has given
you to try and take on mine?
I digress, but, keisha, whatdid you have to say on Mother
Eve?
Speaker 2 (10:44):
OK, you have said a whole lot, a whole lot with a
whole lot.
But to go back, I want to saythat I commend you because what
you said was profound, justacknowledging the fact of who we
stand for in our work as awoman and how we are to be more
(11:06):
Christ-like, christ-driven,because he made us specifically
for this purpose.
And even in the downfall withEve the sin that was the first
sin he still gave her abeautiful and I'm just going to
say this, it's a beautifulpunishment, because it could
have been worse.
So I'm grateful for that,because he still gave us the
(11:30):
pain of child labor, but he gaveus the joy of the child, and
that temporary, that temporarypain is nothing compared to
seeing that life come forth andholding that child and looking
at this.
And you have to modify, youchange your whole world, because
you have now birthed somethingthat is really your arms versus
(11:53):
what was in your womb, andyou're having thoughts, you're
trying to figure out what thischild will look like, the
creativity You're thinking about, you even start planning the
future and everything like that.
But when that child comes intoyour hands or in place in your
arms or into your bosom, all ofthose things go out the door.
Everything you worried about,everything you were scared of,
(12:14):
what you were nervous, even thejoy that you're planning down
the road, because you change thetrajectory when you actually
find out what the child is,what's going on, how beautiful
this new life is.
So I I definitely want topiggyback on what's going to be
said, because that's what mademe think about.
Is that that that permanent,the permanent pain only lasts
(12:37):
for so long because it's goingto be permanent, because it's
the fact that we're going to, wesustain it, we remember it
every time that birthday comearound.
You're remembering that woundlike oh, you carried me nine
months.
Well, my body changed becauseof this.
So I say permanent in themindset, but it was temporary
pain for nine months for Leslieand for some.
And to be able to hold thatbundle of joy that is now you
(13:00):
know that creation.
And how close do we get toJesus?
As women?
Do we give life Because he madelife, god made life we come to.
The next best thing is beingable to create life too now.
So I think that's justmarvelous.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Amen, amen, hallelujah.
So now we're going to talkabout Mother Sarah, right?
So now we're going to talkabout Mother Sarah, right?
Her name means noble woman.
She was the wife of Abraham andmother of Isaac.
When her name was changed, itsays princess, noble woman,
noble lady.
Why did I choose Sarah?
Because after Sarah, after Eve,comes Sarah, right.
(13:38):
Why did Sarah have to come next?
Because God had a plan.
God had a perfect, amazing plan.
Here it is.
This is a woman who's how oldwas Sarah?
Abraham was 75.
He's 10 years older than her.
(13:58):
So she was what, right?
But God said I have a plan andin that plan you're going to
have a unique child becauseyou're going to be.
No, I'm sorry, he wasn't 10years older than her because she
was 99 and he was a hundred.
So yeah, he was.
She was 74.
Forgive me y'all, she was 74when God made the promise to
Abraham.
And then, at 99, god opens herwomb and gives her a son.
(14:24):
Now we all know, once the bodygoes through the changes, ain't
nothing coming out.
Ain't nothing, I don't care whotrying to.
Ain't nothing coming about,right, she already went through
the changes.
Ain't no eggs available.
There's nothing right but God.
God, in his perfect, omniscient, omnipresent plan, brought a
(14:48):
baby forth between Abraham andSarah.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
When I hear about Sarah's story, I'll just tell
you this First of all, I'll belike Lord, please, not me.
That'll be the first thing Ithink about.
I'm sorry I do.
I'll be like Lord, please,please, because I know he's
still working on this.
I'm just like Father, god, lord, please, not me.
But I never know what his plansare.
(15:13):
But I think it's amazing becauseI look at the fact of what she
had, what she put on the lineand watching all those around
her during that time frame,because motherhood was cherished
.
Motherhood meant that you, youwalked a certain way as a woman.
It's a certain classificationand so if you think about being
(15:35):
at that age, being birthed, youknow, first of all you take it
as a joke.
I believe she did chuckle, soshe was like and not in a way of
disgrace, it was just like, hey, I can't, you know, I can't
even fathom that thought,because that would be me.
I can't even fathom thatthought of thinking I'm going to
chuckle like guy got jokes.
I know he got jokes, but tostill think of her, even at that
(16:00):
age, is amazing.
To still give her glory at thatage is amazing, because the
simple fact of the matter isthat she, she was, um, like I
said, a frowned upon because ofthat classification.
Those are the things I takeaway from that.
He still gave her her crown asthe princess, like you said, as
(16:21):
the value of knowing that she'swoman and that she can still
have the remaining years of herlife to still watch grow, to
still be a part, being knownthat she is whole, because back
then, I mean, I have been amother, you were not considered
whole, but that's what I get outof that.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Since that was so powerful, and I'm happy that you
mentioned and you tie it backinto her name.
I'm happy that you mentioned andyou tied back into her name.
And one thing that we know inthe biblical times God help us
now.
But in the biblical timeschildren were named by maybe
location, place, circumstance,so for her to carry the name as
(17:11):
a noble woman, but then what'shappening in her life and what
her life mirrors does not equateto nobility and so, but then,
just like you said, when I thinkabout Sarah, I think about the
faithfulness of God, because sooften, as a single mother, as a
divorcee which is speaking ofmyself and others, and I skipped
(17:32):
over it in the beginning, butI'm going to touch on it now
because when we speak aboutmotherhood, I know Anthony said,
you know you may have beenmarried in, but then there are
some women that are mothers thathave not birthed children.
It's not by adoption, but theyare motherly, and so whatever
that call is that God has placedon you to be a mother, then
(17:56):
that's who you are when I thinkof Sarah and, like you all said,
her nobility, her name andknowing how God basically
brought honor to her.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Because in her time, you know, you see your
brother-in-law, his wife,producing all these kids and you
right here just looking prettybecause they say she was fine.
Like when you read the Bible,they say Sarah was fine, it was
gorgeous, right?
Why you ain't got no kids.
I like to bring it to modernday.
(18:26):
When people look at you likewhat's wrong with you, girl, why
you ain't married, why youain't got no kids, I like to
bring it to modern day.
When people look at you likewhat's wrong with you, girl, why
you ain't married, why youain't got no kids.
Maybe it's not God's plan yetfor me.
I mean, sarah had to wait howmany years before she had a son,
right?
So when I think of her and Isometimes think of her
graciousness, that's what I seeit's like.
Did she get impatient?
(18:47):
Yes, think of her graciousness.
That's what I see it's like.
Did she get impatient?
Yes, but she was still gracious.
She was still gracious in thesense of it may not have
happened for me now, but I'mstill going to operate and I'm
still going to follow my husband.
When Abraham told her baby weleaving, she ain't questioning
him, she packed up and she left.
(19:07):
To me that is so honorable toknow that.
Oh, I have to follow this manand in following this man, I
think God really saw her heartand understood that she knows,
she understands and I'm going tobless her.
That's just Adney's version.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Also and I know that you mentioned initially the
transitioning from Eve to Sarah,and I always I think that God
just makes sure that we, as hischildren, we always see his
grace and, like you said, shewas gracious and Keisha said,
you know, as mothers, you knowthe way we walk, the way we
(19:51):
carry ourselves.
Motherhood is a noble, verynoble and humbling set of shoes
and steps to take, to take.
Sometimes I think that wereally don't encompass yes, you
know, thank you for Mother's Day, but what a woman gives of
(20:14):
herself to walk in those stepsand, like you said, etni, to
desire that and not have it andhave to relinquish to say I'm
just going to wait on God.
And I have a shirt.
I have a shirt that I just worethe other day and it says, um,
have faith, trust, pray.
And then on the sleeves it sayspray, and, and the biggest
(20:36):
theme of it is is prayer.
And I don't think any woman,mother, motherly, um, god,
mother, grandmother, whatever,if you know anything else, you
know to pray.
And so when I think of Sarah, Ithink of, just like you said,
being in those seasons of lifeand wanting something from God
(21:01):
and knowing that you've lived alife conducive of God's
blessings, but the blessings ithas not come.
And so when I look at Sarah, Ilook at, I see us sometimes even
as mothers, and we want ourchildren and I'm going a little
bit ahead, but we want things ofGod and motherhood and God
don't always show up the way wewant him to, and especially not
(21:24):
when we want him to.
But I think that we learn fromSarah, and even transitioning
from Eve to Sarah, that we'regoing to fall.
There's no perfection inmotherhood and I think that
sometimes, you know, we may beexpected to be perfect, to do
everything right, but there isno perfection in motherhood.
(21:46):
But yet, and still, eventhrough our imperfections in Eve
, imperfections in doubt inSarah, here comes God's
faithfulness, and it was noteven predicated on her, but she
was a benefactor of thatblessing.
Yes, he included her in theblessing within time, but God
had already set forth and spokea word that through Abraham
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there would be many nations, andso I think that it's a
beautiful thing.
Do we like one?
You know, my Bible studyteacher said do we just slide
into heaven on greasy grace?
No, but it's a beautiful thingto know that we can be imperfect
women of God and mothers of Godand still trust God's love and
his faithfulness to still comethrough and to make good on his
(22:31):
promises.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But what Kimmy said was the part of the empathy
about being perfect, becausethere are certain standards in
the world that they hold us atwhat is considered fit and unfit
, but God is the only judge, butGod is the only judge.
God is the only judge.
And that's the beautiful partthe expectations of what the
(22:53):
world sees versus what we are tobecome, because it is a process
.
It never came with any type ofinstruction.
We never got instruction ofbeing a parent, of being a
mother, and the beautiful partis, like you said, being a
mother.
You're going to always be onyour knees one way or another,
whether you choose to, orwhether he humbles you, you're
(23:14):
going to always be on your knees, praying for the situation,
praying for the child, prayingfor the protection and making
sure that you're staying inalignment with him.
And even for those in the worldthat don't know God, they know
to call out to someone to helpthem in that time of need, even
if they just say oh Lord, butthey're not realizing.
(23:37):
You're calling and he hears you.
He hears you.
So I thank you, kimmy, forsaying that, because that's the
thing about it that we don'teven realize, even when we say,
oh Lord, my back.
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