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Faith requires seeing beyond physical obstacles to God's promises, even when circumstances seem overwhelming. We must remember God's faithfulness in our past to trust Him with our present challenges.

• Caleb stood apart from other spies by focusing on God's promise rather than the obstacles
• Many believers reduce their relationship with God to a mere checklist of religious activities
• We all need a "Caleb" in our lives who maintains spiritual vision when our faith falters
• Sometimes our enemies recognize God's power in our lives more clearly than we do ourselves
• At age 85, Caleb conquered the very giants that had terrified others 45 years earlier
• God fights our battles but gives us credit for the victory when we trust Him wholeheartedly

If you haven't obeyed the gospel, hear, believe, repent, confess and be baptized for the remission of your sins. Find a local Church of Christ and build a relationship with Jesus Christ. Remember that Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Folks just go to church.
Oh yeah, I went to church today.
Check, I took the communiontoday.
Check, I read my verse today.
Check, I did my five secondprayer, maybe 10 second prayer.
Check, oh, I'm good with God.
They bringing back bad report.

(00:31):
Oh yeah, moses, you know,because God is blessing this
Israel, these Israelites.
But, moses, you know, thesepeople over there, they kind of
strong and it's like, I'm sure,moses probably thinking I'm just
kind of like speculating, likeas a leader, like didn't you not
see what God did to all thesegods in Egypt?

(00:52):
Like it's nothing compared towhat you just seen.
So that's a negative.
So we're going to go.
If I could have like aanimation and they messed up
with that.
So the next checklist they say,oh, the city is large.
Oh, good news.
Oh man, you talking about bigcities.
Oh, man, name a big city, adney, name a city that's big in

(01:13):
America.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
New York.
Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry Imissed the biggest one, texas,
that state, the whole state ofTexas, because they do
everything big in Texas,everything big in.
Texas Right.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Everything big in Texas, dallas is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
All of them cities in Texas are huge right, yes, go
ahead, Continue.
So they tell her.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Bozus, bozus, man.
There's some land over therelike hey, man, man, you, hey,
god was right Land flow, milkand honey and man them.
Cities over there are large,nothing to compare to where we
at them.
Things are huge, right, andthis is what they're going to
say.
So not only they said, you know, in the prior verse, you know
the people that live there arestrong.
They're going to say oh yeah,oh yeah, you know so-and-so folk

(01:57):
, them bad boys over there.
I'm talking about them, badboys.
They got a bad reputation.
I'm talking about them, badboys.
They got a bad reputation.
Moses, you heard about them.
Annex, right, them sons ofannex.
You talking about the ones thatcame from the Nephilim, them
I'm talking about.
They're there too.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
They're over there, moses, them dudes are like, and
please no offense to any gangmembers.
It's like saying, man, thebloods in the crypts are there,
or or the, the spanish one, Ithink they're called um los

(02:35):
something, they're there yeah, Idon't right, I can't look no,
but just to say, just to bringit to modern day, right when
you're thinking about, this gangor that gang is there.
We can't take the land, becausethose gangs are there and Moses
is like hey, you ain't see whatGod did with that other gang

(03:01):
that literally showed them allthat stuff that they was
worshiping.
As a matter of fact, the lastand final one was death, like
killed all the firstborns andy'all was spared.
Here's the kicker.
Y'all was spared.

(03:22):
Y'all are here now in this.
Here's a kicker.
Y'all were spared.
Y'all are here now in this land.
The greatest, one of thebiggest miracles, was the death
angel passing and you werespared.
We did not lose not one.
Yep, yep, yep.
So I'm sending you to the landflowing with milk and honey.

(03:43):
So I'm sending you to the landflowing with milk and honey, and
you talking about the Anax, theAmalekites the Hittites, the
Jephthah.
God took out the firstborns ofEgypt and none of y'all was lost
.
So you mean to tell me the Godthat did that can't handle this

(04:04):
business for y'all?
That to me and I have to bringit to me, I have to say it for
me.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Like transparently, my greatest struggle since I've
moved here to Atlanta has beenfinancial and as I'm thinking
about this, I'm saying, lord,you've allowed me to pay my rent
.
Yes, there were times I had topay that extra because the rent
was late, but you still providedfor me and in your provisions

(04:38):
it was sisters and some brotherswho went and I saw, I opened my
mouth and here it is theblessings flow.
Oh, but you're going to gothrough it again and what I'm
learning now, even through this,is the faith piece.
If he did it for me two yearsago, three years ago, four, five

(05:05):
, 10 years ago, won't he stilldo it for me today?
Yep, it's the faith piece andthat's the part that I believe
in this account that the HolySpirit wanted us to see.
When you have faith, you don'tsee what's taking place around

(05:26):
you.
Faith is the substance ofthings hoped for and the
evidence of things not seen.
Right, because they saw it.
They saw the anak.
They still did see the landflowing with milk and honey.
They bypassed the flowing withmilk and honey and focused on

(05:48):
the giants the Anakites, theJebusites, the Hittites, the
Amorites, the Canaanites.
But your eyes were supposed tostay on the milk and honey.
Your eyes wasn't supposed to go.
Look at the people that's there.
Your eyes was on what did Itell you you're going to take?

(06:09):
I told y'all this is y'all land.
If this is your land, why areyou focusing on who's there?
This is your land.
You got to look at it and takeit for what.
It is your land.
But you took your eyes off ofthe promise, because God is not

(06:35):
a man that he should lie, northe son of man right.
Whatever God says is yours,it's yours, it's yours, yeah.
It's yours, and I think thatsometimes, even when the
situation doesn't look good foryou or doesn't look good, god

(06:55):
has a way of bringing the thingback full circle.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But where is your faith?
And right now y'all I'm aboutto cry because I'm talking to me
while I'm saying this, Becausethe Lord showed me something
many years ago and every singleday it's like he's sending
people to reiterate to me whathe's shown me.
And now it's like, okay, I'mgoing to stay out of your

(07:26):
business and I'm going to havefaith and know it's not going to
look like how everybody wantsit to look, but when I reveal it
to you, you will understandwhat I was doing from the
beginning.
All right, brother, Nick,continue.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Thank you for sharing that.
Thank you so much, cause, likehey, we're going all in with
this, this reporting, and I tellyou what.
We heard the negative parts andwe heard the positive parts.
And I would say this althoughthey went to go see, not every

(08:03):
leader could see that part,every leader did not have 20-20.
And I'm not talking aboutphysically Physical.
They didn't have the spiritual20-20 vision.
Yeah, they didn't look beyondthe physical.
They should have looked beyondthe physical and tapped into
what you said earlier, adni.
Yeah, that they should havetapped into the spiritual.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's why Khalif Caleb have this reputation that
he has now, because, as y'allheard when Adni read it Numbers
13, verse 30, despite all thisbad reporting, it was who spoke
up.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Who spoke up?
He says but the word says butKalev, but Kalev, that
transition, yeah, y'all talkingall that mess, but here comes
Kalev with the quiet.
Yep, yep, he said, khalid withthe quiet, yep, yep.
He said quiet.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It was Caleb Yep.
He said Caleb spoke up.
He quieted the people.
Caleb speaks up, uh-huh,quieted the people.
Read it in your version.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Ad you read it.
It says but Khalid quieted thepeople before Moses and said let
us go up once, not later, nottomorrow.
Once they go now, let us go upat once and possess it, for we

(09:31):
are well able to overcome it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
He got it, he gets it .

Speaker 2 (09:38):
He ain't say let's go later.
He ain't say next year, he ain'tsay next month.
He said now let's, like Calebsaid, let's roll, let's roll out
, bro, let's roll out and go dothis.
And this is the powerful partto me.
He said we are, we are wellable to overcome it.

(10:01):
What did he see in the peoplethat they didn't see in
themselves?
What did he see in them thatthey didn't see in themselves?
Because he said we are well, he.
He didn't leave them out, evenwith their bad report.
He did not leave them out.

(10:22):
He said we are well able toovercome it.
There are times that you'regoing to be going through
something and then God will sendthat one person to you to
minister to you and let you knowyou will overcome this.
And we won't do it together,not by yourself, because you

(10:43):
have to have that one person inyour crew that that sees God
differently than you, becausesometimes, when we're going
through stuff, we only see thestuff, but there's that person
with the spiritual eyes that say, hey, I see what you see, but
let me give it to youdifferently.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
We will overcome this .
You're battling cancer.
Hey, I know the doctor saidthat you have six months, but
let's lean on the God who?
Healed a woman who was bleedingfor 12 years.
Hey, let's lean on the God whodelivered us from Egypt 430
years.

(11:20):
He delivered us.
Oh.
Let's lean on the God whoopened the eyes of a blind man
Yep.
Let's lean on the God whocalled out legion in one man,
legions of demons in one person.
He called them out.
We need that person in ourcircle.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Because when we only see the physical, that person
says hold up, we will overcome.
He's not speaking past tense,he's speaking in the present.
He's speaking in the present.
He said we are well, we arewell, able to overcome it,

(12:05):
that's present tense yeah, yeah.
That's present tense, so I thinksometimes I don't.
Let me just speak for me.
That's the only way I couldexplain it.
There are times my faith is uphere, and then there are times
my faith is down here.
But I know there's a personright here who says Adney, I

(12:28):
know your faith, that your faithis down here, I'm gonna have
faith for you.
I'm gonna have faith for you.
I'm gonna have faith for youbecause, as that person has
faith for you, guess whatthey're doing?
They're bringing you up.
You need that person and thatwas khalif for those people,
because all them other 12 spies,all them other 12 spies was

(12:52):
tripping.
I mean sorry, the other 10spies, they was tripping you
could go ahead and edit thatpart.
Yeah, they yeah, the 10 spies.
They was tripping because allthey saw was physical.
They saw, they saw they sawgiants.
They saw giants.
Khalif saw nah, here's thekicker.
He didn't even mention thegiants.

(13:15):
He didn't even mention thegiants, he didn't see them.
All he saw was the land flowingwith milk and honey.
Think about that.
They're describing the giants.
He said let us go up at once topossess it, for we are well

(13:35):
able to overcome it.
He didn't say nothing aboutfighting them giants.
He said let us go up at once.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Man, andy, I'm going to tell you something, man, I'm
going to tell you something youknow, because what we're talking
about is very important.
I know this is an actual, truestory what happened?
But you got to ask yourself andthis is why Caleb had this
reputation and this is why yougot to ask yourself Caleb is

(14:05):
quieting the people.
There was an uproar, there wassome noise, there was some fear.
Why are you quieting the people?
Like, what's going on in theatmosphere?
What kind of news that theseleaders brought to these people
that terrified the people, thatI believe that there was an up

(14:26):
war.
Why?
Caleb like hey, hey, hey, hey,hey.
It's kind of like when JesusChrist was in a ship and there
was a storm they are, thedisciples went all crazy.
Jesus didn't care, he don't die, here's Jesus Christ, he's just
chilling.
So Caleb had that same spirit.
While there, people were likebringing all this bad news, kind

(14:49):
of like when Jesus Christ wasin the ship.
Jesus Christ was like come on,man, jesus is in the ship.
All Jesus needs to do is wakeup and just say Storm, be still,
sit still.
And they obey right.
So Caleb is having that samespirit hey, come on, man, come
on, like you said, andy, youneed that Caleb in your life.

(15:11):
When folks start complaining,when folks start bringing you
bad report, like how you wasjust naming it, you need that
Khalif in your life.
That's going to be like, comeon, man, just chill.
Do you know the kind of Godthat you serve?
Because you know sometimesChristians need to be reminded.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Adney, not all, because you know, you got the
weak and the strong Because youknow every Christian is
different.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know, sometimes you know you have folks that are
going through stuff and it sayshe, that is spiritual, restore
such a one, because the one thatneed to be restored is the one
that's broken.
Something has been broken andyou need that spiritual person,
and Caleb is the epitome.
Is that spiritual individualwho had spiritual vision to say

(15:55):
like I know what y'all seen,because we were all.
How could it be?
12 individuals in one place buteverybody seen different things
?
How is it?
We're reading the same Bible.
We're reading the Gospels aboutJesus, matthew, mark, luke and

(16:15):
John.
Have you not heard that he camehere?
This is not a fairy tale.
He was actually here on earth.
He came and he died, he wasburied and he was resurrected
For us.
Are you trying to tell me youdon't believe how I have so much
faith and your faith is solittle?
What has God done for you?

(16:36):
Have you forgot what he's donefor you?
The best thing he did for youwas save you.
Have you taken that for granted?
Is it just a mere checklist?
And we have that checklist too.
Addy Folks, just go to church.
Oh, yeah, I went to churchtoday.
Check, I took communion today.

(16:58):
Check, I read my verse today.
Check, I did my five-secondprayer.
Maybe 10-second prayer.
Check, oh, I.
Five second prayer.
Maybe 10 second prayer.
Check, oh, I'm good with God.
You mean to tell me, are weserving the same God?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
That and that's the important part.
It's, it's the, it's the Stopputting God on your little
checklist type mentality,because for them it was okay.
Yeah, I saw him do that, butright, I saw him do that, but we
still got to.

(17:35):
That's Egypt.
But we, looking at theJebusites, the Canaanites,
that's Egypt.
Egypt is more powerful than allof them.
They feared Egypt.
All of those Jebusites,canaanites, perizzites, all of
them, they feared Egypt and God,oh, thank you, holy Spirit, god

(18:01):
defeated Egypt.
God defeated Egypt.
So those people already knowwho y'all are, they know who's
fighting for you.
But do you know who's fightingfor you?
When your enemy knows your Godbetter than you?
Problem, that is a wholeproblem.

(18:36):
When your enemy knows that yourgod is fighting for you and you
don't even realize that yourgod is fighting for you.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's a problem.
That's a problem.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
that's a problem.
It's like when I was in school,my, my sister, my sister, my
sister was a thug.
Okay, everybody knew my sister,right.
When I went to school, all Ihad to say was my last name and
who my sister was.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
And everybody was like such and such is your
sister, guess what?
They ain't bothering me.
And if they did bother me, mysister be like, don't worry,
I'll be out there.
I'll be out there.
Tomorrow I'm going to schoolwith you.
When they see her walking withme, they like, oh, we better

(19:24):
leave her alone.
We better leave her alone.
We better leave her alone.
Let's look at the children ofIsrael.
God defeats the gods of Egypt.
Oh, not only does he defeat thegods of Egypt, he defeats the
leaders of Egypt.
The leaders of Egypt becausetheir gods are spiritual.

(19:48):
Not only does he defeat thespiritual, he also defeats the
physical, the one you could see,the one that had all the mouth.
Who's your God, right?
He defeats them.
And the people in Canaan land?
They notice you and you bringin what report?

(20:11):
You scared of what now?
You scared of who?
Now come on man.
And that's why I said there aretimes that our enemies, they
look, look at us and they belike she should not be in this
position or in this state.
But they see our God betterthan we see our own God.

(20:32):
And that's the problem.
Because we open our mouths, wehave all these big mouths.
Oh, praise the Lord, hallelujah, I'm blessed and highly favored
and I'm this and I'm that, butyour enemy sees your God better
than you Because all blessed andI'm highly favored and I'm this
and I'm that, but your enemysees your God better than you
because all you have is this youonly have mouth, no action.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Mercy.
Hey, sister Addie, I know wegot to wrap things up because I
know you got to leave prettysoon, but let me say this, let
me say this and this is whyCaleb and Kalev has this
reputation, and this is why wewanted to highlight him,
although we talked about thespies, but the main individual
we really wanted to highlightwas Caleb, because he did what

(21:16):
he did y'all.
Caleb was able to remain alivein the wilderness and live to
see the promised land.
So that's in Numbers, 1438.
Caleb also conquered Hebron atthe age of 85.
So in this day and age, we'llsay that's a senior, that's an
elderly man.
He belonged in a nursery home,but Caleb conquered Hebron at

(21:36):
the age of 85.
So not only that, he conquered,he was blessed with the land of
Hebron.
So Caleb was an individual thatfollowed God wholeheartedly.
He really, really, really lovedthe Lord.
And also, lastly, the mostimportant piece all of them is

(21:58):
important, y'all but he alsoconquered the sons of Anak and
Addie.
I want you to close out withthat and Joshua 15, 14, because
the very same thing that thesepeople was concerned about,
caleb backed it up, because it'seasy for us, but we know it's
not Caleb doing it.
It's really God doing it andGod gave him credit.

(22:20):
Ain't that something?
The Bible says that Calebconquered the sons of anech.
Yes, he conquered it, but itwas god who did it, but gave him
the credit.
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Go ahead, addy, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead I know
you want me to read 14, but Ican't just I gotta start from
six all the way down.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I know I got the Bible study going on but I have
to, all right, read six all theway down and then we're going to
close.
Go ahead, okay.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
It says.
Then the children of Judahapproached Joshua and Gilgal and
Kalev, the son of Jephunneh.
The Kenizzite said to him youknow the word that Jehovah spoke
to Moses, the man of God,concerning me and concerning you
, in Kadesh Barnea.
I was 40 years old when Moses,the servant of Jehovah, sent me

(23:21):
out of Kadesh Barnea to spy outthe land, and I returned with
such a word to him as wasgenuinely upon my heart,
genuinely upon my heart.
However, my brothers who wentup with me made the people's
heart melt, but I fully followedJehovah, my God, and Moses
swore on that day, saying surelythe land on which your foot has

(23:41):
trodden will be an inheritanceto you and your children forever
, for you have fully followed.
Jehovah has kept me alive, ashe said word to Moses while

(24:10):
Israel walked through thewilderness.
And now look, today, I am 85years old.
Today, I am still as strong asI was on the day Moses sent me
out, as my strength was then.
So my strength is now forbattle and for going out and
coming in Now, therefore, andfor going out and coming in Now,
therefore, give me this hillcountry of which Jehovah spoke
on that day, for you heard onthat day that the Anakim were

(24:34):
there with great fortifiedcities.
I'm sorry.
I'm getting happy, yet may itbe that Jehovah will be with me
and I will dispossess them, asJehovah has said.
So, joshua blessed him and gavehim Hebron I'm sorry and gave

(24:54):
Hebron to Kalev, the son ofJephunneh, as an inheritance.
Therefore, hebron became theinheritance of Kalev, the son of
Jephunneh the Kenizzite.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Wow, now read 15, 14.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Joshua 15, 14.
Joshua 15, 14 says and Khalifdrove out the three sons of Anak
from there, sushai, hanayim andTelmai, the children of Anak.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Now you can't tell me our God don't fight for us
today.
If he could do it for Khalif,he could do it for us, and I
dropped the mic.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, this episode definitely, was definitely a
blessing, like you mean thespirit of Caleb need to dwell in
us, to trust in Godwholeheartedly, to serve God
wholeheartedly.
Like his faith had to have beenon another level.
Yeah, he even said like, hey,I'm going to go among these
people and God is going to bewith me.
That's why I said that it wasGod that was with them and he

(26:08):
really believed that.
Yeah, so god was fighting tofight for him and that's why I
said god was fighting to fightfor him.
Yeah, and god said you knowwhat?
I'm gonna give you the credityeah but god did it.
Oh, mercy.
You see, you see how, how youknow, you know I always say that
, humanity, we're selfish.
Yeah, you see how, how you know, you know I always say that,
humanity, we're selfish.
Yeah, you see how God isselfless.
Everything else belongs to himand he's, he's, he's willing to

(26:32):
give it to us, like, hey, yeah,yeah, I'm.
I want y'all to to be just likeme, selfless.
Yeah, yeah, he conquered theenemy.
He gave them credit.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, conquered the enemy.
He gave them credit.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Why?
Because of Caleb's faith.
Yeah, because all the otherleaders, the 10 leaders, had the
people in disarray.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
And there are leaders like that that will bring bad
news to the people when where,on the other hand, you have
leaders like Brother Danielsthat say, hey, man, we got to
have faith.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
We got to have faith.
Let's just trust in God.
Yeah, it looks ugly right now.
Yeah, but I know the type ofGod that I serve.
Yeah, the same God yesterday,today and forevermore life.
Yeah, he could do all thingsbut fail yeah, so that's how I
want to end it.
And he could do all things butfail yeah, so that's how I want
to end it, and this episodedefinitely was a blessing and I

(27:30):
hope, trust and pray that itbless you as much as it bless
Adney and I.
You see, we just went on a run.
You know, sunday, y'all, it'sSunday.
I was filled, adney filled.
Adney was going in.
It is discussions like this thatmakes the reason why we do what
we do.
So until then, y'all you know,we're wrapping it up, but

(27:51):
remember that jesus christ, heloves you.
He loves you.
If you haven't obeyed thegospel, all you need to do is
hear, believe, repent and youneed to confess and be baptized
for the remission of your sinsand type into Google and find
the local church of Christ.
Find the local church of Christ.
But it's not only about that,but it's also about building a

(28:13):
relationship, y'all with JesusChrist, because anybody could do
what I just said.
But it's about building arelationship.
If you don't know how to dothat, you're being in denial,
because I know at some point youhad to love somebody or like
somebody or lust after somebody.
But we're talking about arelationship, an agape love that

(28:35):
God wants to have with you.
He got his arms open and you'reconstantly running away from
him.
God wants to establish thatrelationship and we know our
relationship was shattered.
It was broken from thefoundations of this world and
this is why Jesus Christ cameback so he can bring us back
together in a sweet communionwith God, the father, and our

(28:55):
Lord and our savior, jesusChrist.
So it's a wrap.
It's a wrap.
Remember that Jesus Christ, heis the king of kings and he is
the Lord of Lords until then, beblessed.
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!

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