December 31, 2021 • 33 mins
In this episode, Host Rikki Harris talks with her hair stylist about the mental health connection that happens in the styling chair. Not only can a stylist provide necessary human touch, but some of the deepest and most meaningful conversations can occur when someone is in a vulnerable position with the expert in charge of their appearance. Harris talks with her renowned hairstylist Kelly Barclay of Wild Iris Salon. Settle in as we get CAN+DID with a specialist who keeps our host beautiful.
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Rikki Harris (00:02):
Candide is a podcast of Tennessee voices
about mental health, featuringstories of people who have
overcome mental healthchallenges, as well as those who
have helped people overcomemental health challenges. This
podcast is about authenticity.
And it's intended to give avoice to those who are
passionate about mental wellbeing. We hope that by sharing
stories, listeners willunderstand mental health and how
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important it is and help usreduce stigma. We want you to
know that so many who havestruggled with mental health can
and did overcome theirchallenges. And if you are
struggling, you can too. I'myour host, Ricky Harris, CEO of
Tennessee voices, and with me ismy favorite co host, will Voss
CEO of Tennessee voices. Welcometo our podcast, let's get
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candid.
So 2020 and 2021 have obviouslybeen unprecedented years in our
nation, people have reallystruggled on everything that's
going on in the last 18 monthsor so. And we started to
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understand that more people arereaching out needing mental
health services because there's,there's a feeling that they
don't know how to deal with.
It's something new. It'ssomething that is not pleasant.
And sometimes it's described asyou know, feeling anxious or
depressed. But not everyone isclinically anxious or depressed,
but rather they're feeling afeeling called languishing.
Brian Sullivan (01:41):
Watch story of hope streaming now on the
Tennessee voices network AT T Edvoices.org. And while you're
there, check out resources likeour online library, mental
health factsheets and a guidedmeditation to help you move from
languishing to flourishing.
Rikki Harris (01:58):
Fabulous. Welcome to this episode of candid. I'm
your host, Ricky Harris, and myco host,
Unknown (02:05):
will vos EO.
Rikki Harris (02:08):
I'm super excited about this episode will because
we interviewed our hair people,my hairdresser, your barbers.
And we did that for a number ofreasons. Certainly, I had some
thoughts about why What were youthinking when I said, Hey, let's
interview people who do ourhair.
Unknown (02:29):
You know, my mind immediately thought they
probably they probably could belicensed as much as they hear.
They hear a lot. You hear a lotof a lot of concerns from their
clients. And they're probablyexperts in the field by now.
Right?
Rikki Harris (02:43):
Right. I had the same thought. Um, I think what
really stood out to me in myinterview, and by the way, in
this episode, I interviewed myhairdresser. Kel. And you
interviewed your barber Antoine.
And we did this separately hadone on one. So I'll just talk
for a second about what stoodout to me. And then I want to
hear from you just highlightsfrom Antoine interview. But
Kellen, I always end up talkingabout mental health. And I don't
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know if that's just the natureof like, that's what I do. And
so that's where the conversationgoes, because she kind of
follows me through thoseconversations. But one of the
things I learned from her thatreally stood out to me, she
talks about in the interview iswhat they learned in school
about the power of human touch.
And so you know, you're, she'sthere, washing my hair, touching
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my head close in my space, sothat it creates some intimacy in
terms of just closeness,physical closeness, which then
opens a person up to morevulnerability to just start
sharing. And I never thoughtabout that. I never thought
about the why behind. We've allheard it, you know, the
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hairdressers chair is kind oflike a pseudo therapy chair, or
maybe a gossip chair. But Inever really associated the
personal touch in the personalproximity, physical proximity,
rather, that something Kellytalked about was just hearing
all these stories and takingthat home, because she's not
trained to know what to do withall that information. So and she
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also said, she definitelydoesn't feel like she's in a
position where she should orcould offer anyone advice. So
she just has to do a lot oflistening. And she's very
empathetic. She She admittedlysaid that she carries a lot of
those stories and difficultthings home, and then she has to
figure out how to take care ofherself to not let that weigh on
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her. And so we talked a lotabout what self care and mental
health looks like for herpersonally. So that's
interesting. One of the thingsyou said a struck me that we
should probably tell listenersthat we have some resources and
things available. Yes, peopleare needing to seek out help on
different topics, the first ofwhich is an online library that
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we can, we can access rightthrough our website at tn
places.org. And search upthings, self help related kinds
of books, downloads, freeresources that you can access.
So that's one way, but thenmaybe you could talk briefly
about the app that we're workingon.
Unknown (05:19):
Yeah, so we're working on an app, the Tennessee screen
app, and it is going to besomething that's really, truly
going to be able to get in whatwe hope will get in the hands of
many individuals that arestruggling with mental health
concerns. How do we work toprevent suicide? And how do we
provide these tools for coping,if someone is thinking about
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having suicidal ideations or notgoing through that difficult
day, and they don't know what todo? And don't feel that they
have anyone to talk to? How canthey access these resources
through an app right there inthe palm of their hands.
Rikki Harris (05:56):
I'm excited about it. And we're getting really
close to a release date. Socoming very soon, we're also
getting close to our virtualGala. And we decided, again,
this year not to do an in persongathering, but rather to do
something online. And what wereally wanted to focus on was
how can we continue to helpstrengthen the community, from
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the feeling of languishing, justbeing stuck in this state that
we're in as a society, dealingwith all the things we've dealt
with in the last 18 months? Andfeeling kind of, blah, and how
can we move forward? And how canwe experience our joy again,
like we remember it pre, thelast 18 months. So that's
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coming, and hopefully, very,very soon. Oh, by the way, I
should say, That's November16th. It's going to streamers
16. Yes, yes. It's gonna streamon our platforms. You can find
information about it on ourFacebook, Instagram, Twitter. Do
we have a tick tock account?
Unknown (06:59):
Yeah, but
Rikki Harris (07:00):
really do that?
Yeah. I mean, I don't know whatthe content will be. Because
Don't you have to have video?
See, I'm like not. I have noidea.
Unknown (07:11):
That's what we're here for Ricky. We're here. Yes, we
have a tic tac that will becoming. So be on the lookout
listeners.
Rikki Harris (07:20):
Yes. And with that, we're also going to
release a guided meditation thatI I wrote, and had the pleasure
of working with Bill Fondren,one of our previous candid
podcast guest, who did the voiceover for that meditation, it is
amazing what happens when aprofessional reads, a guided
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meditation the way it's supposedto be done, it sounds awesome.
So I'm really excited aboutthat, we're going to have some
music and some graphic put withthat and release that to the
public, which again, will bereleased on all of our social
channels, but also tmvoices.org. So lots coming. And
the reason behind it, maybe wecould take three minutes and
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talk about why this is importantto us to provide all these
resources to the community.
Unknown (08:13):
So yes,
Rikki Harris (08:16):
I mean, first of all, how many people have told
you that they're struggling orfeeling some kind of way that
they don't understand or havenot experienced before?
Unknown (08:24):
I mean, you hear it so so often, Ricky, and you know, I
even thought about, we talk alot about languishing. And I
think about my self care tips.
And where you go, we'll hearfrom our Barber, and my barber
and his hairstyle is going tothe barbershop is a part of my
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self care. And it got to thepoint where I started not going
as often as, as I used to go,didn't feel like getting up and
going and just wanted to beatmyself. And I know that that was
not like me, I'm always tryingto make sure that I've got a
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crisp learn, and maybe, here andthere. But that was at that
moment where I realized, youknow what, it's something
something's not right.
something's a little off. Andyou hear so often. You know,
I've talked to many friendsabout languishing, you know,
since the conversation startedbetween you and I, and a lot of
people are starting to feel, orthey're feeling better that they
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now have a term to equate to howthey've been feeling. No, it's
not depression, you know, butit's a different feeling. It's
an odd feeling a state of beingand I've never been there
before, and some people arelosing some joy over there. So
to be able to get the word outabout you know, what, hey, I'm
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experiencing this too. Andhere's some tips and tools that
can help you get through it. Andmost importantly, let people
know that you can get throughit. You know, we're living proof
that it's possible. And we'realso improved to let you know
that we're here to support youand walk with you along that
journey.
Rikki Harris (10:10):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, one of the things I think
that we can we can do for thecommunity is trying to help move
them from languishing toflourishing. And I literally
wrote that as a missionstatement that we want to help
people find their joy. And allof this that's been happening.
And I'm excited about that. Thepodcast, I think, is one effort
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to do that just to help hearfrom everybody else about what's
been going on with them, and howthey're coping. Because this is
not a one size fits all. This isa will throw a bunch of ideas at
you. We hope you'll trysomething that helps you and
moves you on to a betterposition. Hopefully, you feel
like you are flourishing, andfinding joy again, and all that
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all that's going on in theworld. So I'm excited about this
episode, you guys are going toenjoy it. We'll take a quick
break and then we'll be backwith my interview with Cal and
Will's interview with Antoine.
Erika Lathon (11:16):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Vicki Yates (11:22):
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Rikki Harris (11:40):
a podcast of Tennessee voices about mental
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Each episode will have guests telling their
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sharing how they can and didovercome their challenges shows
like postpartum depression forco host rookie Harris
Rikki Harris (11:55):
that was the first time that I really didn't know
what to do with my own mentalhealth. I mean, I have a lot of
coping skills and I had a lot ofeducation and training in the
area. And I needed help duringthat time. And so seeking out
therapy and even looking at theoptions of taking medication for
me were just really scary andfeelings
Seena Sleem (12:17):
of anxiety for CO hosts will Boss
Unknown (12:19):
What is my purpose, you know, and really kind of filling
down a lot of times as far asOh, I'm never gonna amount to
this would never amount to that.
Seena Sleem (12:25):
During the pandemic mental health struggles have
only been amplified
Rikki Harris (12:29):
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The podcast is another way to help people cope
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Erika Lathon (13:16):
Welcome back.
Okay,
Rikki Harris (13:22):
awesome. Welcome to the candidate podcast. Kelly
Barclay. How are you?
Kelly Barclay (13:28):
Thank you. I'm doing well. How are you doing?
Rikki Harris (13:31):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm super excited. Because
in this episode, we have twointerviews one with you. And
then one, my co host isinterviewing his barber. So we
have we have a themed episode.
We were we were we were nerdingout on that being the theme
because anyway, you know, wewere talking my co host, co host
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will and I were talking aboutthe relationship you have with a
person who does your hair. It'skind of a special relationship.
And we know what it's like onour side being the person in the
chair. But I guess we want toknow what it's like on your side
being the person dealing withthe person. Yeah, gosh, and
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something that we've been, youknow, I've always heard friends
over the years who you know, arein any kind of services for you
know, cosmetic or whatever wouldsay I feel like a therapist
sometimes.
Kelly Barclay (14:37):
100% Yeah. Oh, we want an edge therapist.
Rikki Harris (14:45):
Well, I would tell them about you what you do where
your salon is and all that funstuff.
Kelly Barclay (14:52):
All right. Well, yes, my name is Kelly and I have
a salon studio over in Midtownof Nashville. I've had it for
about a year, but I've beendoing hair since 2007. And I
think I was only 17 When Istarted. So I got at a very
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young age, I had to learn how todraw that professional line
between kind of being someone'stherapist and also remembering
that the end goal is the hair.
And that is a constant, notnecessarily struggle, because I
take a lot of pride in peoplebeing comfortable to talk to me.
But at the end of the day, I dolike people to remember, I am
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just a hairstylist, and I canonly I can only help so much.
But sometimes people just wantto talk and that's what I've
learned is listening ispowerful.
Rikki Harris (15:50):
Wow. Yeah. You've told me you've heard a lot of
stories, different people, youknow, trauma, their walk through
life, their their fears, theirconcerns. What do you do with
all that? I mean, how does thataffect you day to day?
Kelly Barclay (16:09):
Um, you know, I don't think I don't think at the
time of my career, majority ofmy career, I was so much younger
than most of my clientele, thatthat line wasn't crossed.
Because to them, I was just thisyoung girl doing hair, and they
were more excited about what Iwas doing for my free time. And
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then I would say, definitely, inthe last five ish years. It's
just been a different dynamic.
And it has affected my lifewhere I'll come home, and
sometimes I'm just, I could justsleep for a whole day. And I'm
just drained. And I'm like, Idon't understand why I feel this
way. Because I love. I love myjob. I love my life. Why am I so
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pooped all the time? Yeah. Andit was actually, my boyfriend
who pointed out one day, he wasjust like, Kelly, I think that
you don't, I don't think yourealize what you do. I don't
think you realize what youabsorb. He I'm a very empathetic
person, which I kind of loveabout myself. But it's a it's
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challenging, because sometimessomeone will tell me something,
and I just want to fix it forthem. And then when I can't, um,
that that hurts that like itdoes, it weighs on me, or I'll
come home and I'm like, hush, Ihope so. And so's Okay, I hope
that their families, okay. Andthat's like normal. But when
it's six to seven people everyday, five to six days a week,
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every six weeks. You know, it'syeah, it's like a story that
just keeps building. And so atool that my boyfriend's mom
taught me, she teaches yoga.
Actually out of she does, likerecover yoga outside of, I don't
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want to say it's kind of like,in the jail system. And so you
know, that could be very heavy.
And she has just taught memeditation to do before I leave.
And honestly, just practicinggratitude and praying for peace
and for my own mind and forothers, and just being grateful
for what I have and acceptingthat I all I can do is be kind
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and listen. Maybe not even offeradvice, because then you're kind
of held responsible for thatadvice, you know,
Rikki Harris (18:36):
yeah, yes. But that's amazing. That year, he
said, Your boyfriend's momtaught you these techniques. And
the first of all, you know,that's awesome. The work that
she does, that's a huge need tosupport the people that are in
our jails and prisons and butgodly to have that ability to
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teach them to meditate and tocenter and focus. That's huge.
And sounds like it works. Itworks for you because you're
practicing it.
Kelly Barclay (19:08):
Yes, it's it's a constant reminder. And, and it's
a thing, I'm grateful. It's aweird thing. It's a double edged
sword sometimes because, um,it's something I complain about,
but at the same time, the otherhalf of my body is just like so
incredibly grateful that I Idon't just come to a hair salon
and mindlessly play withpeople's hair all day and catch
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my paychecks and go home. Youknow, it gives me a sense of
purpose as well. I just wishthat I had a little bit of the
background of of how to helpbecause I'm just like, oh my
gosh, I did not take psychology.
I don't know what to do withthis information. But I'm going
to at least make sure you feelthe best I can make you about
yourself in this moment. Yeah,
Rikki Harris (19:53):
I think like, how much what I wonder why it's
easier and I will say I think itis easier, I would agree for
myself, it's easier to talk tosomeone you know casually about
your own mental health than itis to make that appointment and
go to a therapist. But I don'tknow, that is,
Kelly Barclay (20:17):
you know, I find myself doing it like with
certain clients, they'll ask mejust that right question where
all of a sudden, I open up myown floodgates, and then I have
to be like, Whoa, they'repaying, they're not paying you
for your to give you therapy,Kelly, like reel it in, you
know, but I do think that itjust becomes this comfort. And
at the end of the day, we bothknow, we don't have to see or
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talk to each other for anothersix weeks. It is kind of, it's
kind of a safe space whereyou're like, Okay, we just
unloaded that baggage. And weboth feel a little bit better.
Yeah, yeah. But it does give
Rikki Harris (20:52):
you some, like, I'm trying to find the right
words, but some sense ofcommunity that there are people
in your life that you'reregularly seeing that it's, it's
nice to both get support andgive support back and forth in
those relationships, too. Andnot just hold everything in and
think all if I'm going to talkabout this, it's going to have
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to be in a professional place,you know,
Kelly Barclay (21:17):
right, right.
Well, and some people don'twant, you know, you go to a
therapist, because at the endgoal of therapy is to figure out
what's really going on with you,and how you can strengthen that,
you know, and when people cometo me, the last thing they want
me to do is diagnose, I'm sorry,but you know, like that they
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don't want and so I think that'sthe safeness for them, that they
know. But you know, sometimespeople cross the line. And it
does, it gets really, it getsreally tricky. But and the past,
you know, year and a half hasbeen a little bit trickier for
some people. So it is it is avery unique time. But there was
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something about I felt once Iturned 30, I felt my own
clientele kind of looked at me alittle differently. In the sense
of what what's appropriate totalk about now versus even two
and a half years ago, you know,it's just wow.
Rikki Harris (22:18):
Yeah. I mean, my next question for you is, how
have the conversations in yourchair changed since last year?
2020? Around March?
Kelly Barclay (22:30):
Yeah. Um, you know, for the most part, it's
been a really like, kind ofbeautiful thing. And I'm really
grateful for my studio, becauseit's been able to be really
intimate, but at the same time,that level that that security
and privacy that people feel,because it's just me and them in
the salon. Probably, I thoughtabout it. And if I still worked
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at a very public salon, I don'tthink a lot of things would be
brought up, ever, you know, andso I try and maintain a level of
professionalism. But yeah, it'sbeen pretty heavy, I would say
rightfully so. Some stuff hasbeen sad, some stuff has just
been frustrations, you know, butluckily for me, there's never
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been a lack of respect betweenme and my customers. I haven't
had to deal with anything likethat. It's just been something
where I can't really describeit, you know, everyone's just
been, everyone's been suffering.
So it's just been, it's beenheavy, but at the same time,
especially last, let's see, wewere shut down. Salons were shut
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down till almost June last year.
So probably starting around thenwas where we were in all the
phases, you know, and there'sonly so much you could do, and
so much people wanted to do, butyou know, I was one thing that
people were adamant about doingwas their hair. Yeah. And, you
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know, really important and thatwas yes. And that was the one
thing on the calendar for peoplethat they were like, oh my god,
I cannot wait to go see Kel andI loved it. And it's amazing,
but I had to remember that too.
For some people I was their onlysource of outside their fan
friends and family or you know,some people who who are by
themselves. I was their onlylife's or in a very dramatic way
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but you know what I mean? Like,yeah, human connection. And even
you know, my mentor back inChicago, she always told me she
was like, the most powerful giftwe have in our industry is the
power of touch. And she saidpeople don't think about it you
don't you don't reallyappreciate it until you don't
have it. But just the fact thatyou can hug someone or or in our
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instance just like the shampoo,how nice is that make you feel
you know, and in a time whenyou're just maybe by yourself
and then you know, once a monthyou can come see me and we could
talk and and you Get humaninteraction in the intimate way,
a personal way. You know, it'sjust, it was it changed my, my
whole mindset of my, of my craftand my industry and what I want
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my purpose behind the chair tobe main goal is always to make
sure you're not getting a wonkyhaircut, you know, but we
appreciate, yeah, yes, that isthe main goal. But, you know,
when you leave, and you're like,Oh, I feel so much better,
sometimes that it goes a littledeeper than just the surface of
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your haircut, and just kind of agift.
Rikki Harris (25:36):
Walk. Yeah, that's really wise. And it's really
powerful. I mean, what you're,what you're offering your
clients, and it has a lot to dowith their image, it has a lot
to do with how they feel aboutthemselves. And that's pretty
powerful, especially for awoman. I don't know if it's
powerful for a man because I'mnot a man. So I don't have that
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experience. But I can I canspeak to it from that
standpoint. That's so whatthings did you do to take care
of yourself through the last 18months that you think might help
somebody else who's maybestruggling with feelings of
like, languishing, or just getthe, you know, feeling that
(26:18):
blah, feeling trying to getthrough all this muddy water in
the world right now.
Kelly Barclay (26:23):
Um, I would say, on a health standpoint, I kind
of dropped the ball, I'm notgonna pretend like I started
working out at home and stuff.
And I definitely fell into thatgroup of just like, when I came
home, I just, well, actually,when I couldn't work was
probably the hardest. The firstweek, I was like, on it, my
laundry was all caught up. I wasworking out every day, my dog
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was living her best life. Andthen when we got shut down
again, I just I did I went to apretty dark place. But, um, my
boyfriend, I'm really gratefulfor him. You know, it was a hard
conversation. But he did. Hejust kind of sat me down. And
he's like, Kelly, this could goon forever, are you going to be
sad forever. And I was like,well, maybe, you know, like,
(27:10):
leave me alone. But then I waslike, but no, I don't want to be
sad forever, I have to figuresomething out. Um, so I think
what I try to do now is honestlyjust practice gratitude. Because
that's the only thing I canreally do. Like, it's not very
easy for me to see my family.
It's not very, I have some goodfriends here. But I don't have
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my whole core group here inNashville. So as far as that
goes, all I can do is just wakeup every day and think about
what I do have and what I amgrateful for. And the rest is
kind of starting to follow suitbecause of that, because I'm,
I'm resetting my brain everymorning to instead of being
like, I have to do this, I haveto do that. Or I can't do this,
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or I can't do that. I just tryand focus on what I have, what I
can control. And, and not makeeverything else feel like such
an obligation, you know, goingfor a walk or going to work out
now. I'm just like, okay, yeah,Kelly, you're pretty grateful,
lucky that you could just wakeup on a Tuesday and go for a
hike if you want. I don't knowthat people can do that. So I'm
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just trying to shift my mindset.
And that's been helping a lot.
Rikki Harris (28:23):
But I'm just really, really wise because one
of the things that I've beentrying to study and figure out
is how to help people know howto shift their thoughts, because
our thoughts really drive ourfeelings and how we, you know,
if we think about things inpositive ways, or when we think
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about things in gratitude,grateful ways, then we're in a
different place versus thinkabout things in hopeless ways.
And then we're feeling prettydifferent.
Kelly Barclay (28:55):
Yeah, totally.
Rikki Harris (28:56):
I make sense. I love it. I love it. Well, yeah,
mental health talk is not easy,but it sounds like in your
world, you get to have lots ofthose conversations. So
Kelly Barclay (29:11):
do and, you know, other people's it's a it's a
weird thing, because, you know,I don't want to take other
people's stories. And not onlylike apply them to my life, but
I don't want to look at them,like, Oh, I'm so grateful. I
don't have that. You know, like,it's a it's not like that, but
it is perspective. And I when Iget like down in the dumps and
(29:35):
stuff, I do remind myself like,oh my gosh, there was a lady who
just broke down crying in mychair yesterday. You know, and
she didn't have if she's talkingto me that makes me think she
didn't have anyone else to talkto and I'm just grateful that I
do have people to talk to and ifI can be that person for
(29:55):
someone. I am grateful for it.
But I just You You just have tolearn how to separate it from
affecting your life.
Rikki Harris (30:05):
Oh, true. Well, is there anything we didn't talk
about that you just wantlisteners to know or hear? You
want to tell them to go on andtalk to you about? You know?
Yeah,
Kelly Barclay (30:17):
I guess that's a good idea. It's called Wild
Iris. It is right in the, Ibelieve the heart of Nashville,
right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a prettycool spot to be in. And yeah,
it's a very safe welcomingspace. Anyone is welcome. Um,
but yeah, I think if I had anyadvice, or anything I've learned
is just that we just have to benice to each other and, and just
(30:41):
breathe through it, because wecan do it. And I mean, two years
is already gone by. So that'sthe other thing. I'm like, how
fast time is going. I want to, Iwant to try and make it the most
out of what we can you know,
Rikki Harris (30:55):
lately?
Absolutely. Well, I will sayI'll add one plug. Since I get
to experience your salon andyour chair and your cuts. I
recommend it highly. I love thefact that it is just you and and
you know, it is a really safespace. There's no worrying about
how silly you look when yourhair's in foils. No. Well, you
(31:19):
is there to see it.
Unknown (31:26):
My Saint Leo,
Rikki Harris (31:29):
and I so appreciate you being willing to
come on and chat with me. i Oh,thank you. I love syncing up
like this. And I alwaysappreciate the cool
conversations that we have forthe hour so that I get to see
you every few months. So anyway,
Unknown (31:47):
thank you Kelly Barclay.
Rikki Harris (31:48):
I appreciate it. I hope you have an Oscar.
Kelly Barclay (31:52):
Yes, you too.
Thank you. All right. Talk toyou soon. Bye. Bye.
Brian Sullivan (32:05):
Here are some tips to help keep you motivated
through the holiday season.
Spend time with people youenjoy. Learn to say no. Maintain
a healthy routine. don'toverspend. practice gratitude.
Don't isolate yourself. Identifyyour triggers. Make something
from scratch. Do a daily checkin with yourself and take breaks
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when you need to. self care isso important this time of year.
Make sure you're listening toyourself and what you need. For
more information on how tomaintain your mental health
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candid
Candide is a podcast of Tennessee voices
about mental health, featuringstories of people who have
overcome mental healthchallenges, as well as those who
have helped people overcomemental health challenges. This
podcast is about authenticity.
And it's intended to give avoice to those who are
passionate about mental wellbeing. We hope that by sharing
stories, listeners willunderstand mental health and how
(00:26):
important it is and help usreduce stigma. We want you to
know that so many who havestruggled with mental health can
and did overcome theirchallenges. And if you are
struggling, you can too. I'myour host, Ricky Harris, CEO of
Tennessee voices, and with me ismy favorite co host, will Voss
CEO of Tennessee voices. Welcometo our podcast, let's get
(00:51):
candid.
So 2020 and 2021 have obviouslybeen unprecedented years in our
nation, people have reallystruggled on everything that's
going on in the last 18 monthsor so. And we started to
(01:12):
understand that more people arereaching out needing mental
health services because there's,there's a feeling that they
don't know how to deal with.
It's something new. It'ssomething that is not pleasant.
And sometimes it's described asyou know, feeling anxious or
depressed. But not everyone isclinically anxious or depressed,
but rather they're feeling afeeling called languishing.
Brian Sullivan (01:41):
Watch story of hope streaming now on the
Tennessee voices network AT T Edvoices.org. And while you're
there, check out resources likeour online library, mental
health factsheets and a guidedmeditation to help you move from
languishing to flourishing.
Rikki Harris (01:58):
Fabulous. Welcome to this episode of candid. I'm
your host, Ricky Harris, and myco host,
Unknown (02:05):
will vos EO.
Rikki Harris (02:08):
I'm super excited about this episode will because
we interviewed our hair people,my hairdresser, your barbers.
And we did that for a number ofreasons. Certainly, I had some
thoughts about why What were youthinking when I said, Hey, let's
interview people who do ourhair.
Unknown (02:29):
You know, my mind immediately thought they
probably they probably could belicensed as much as they hear.
They hear a lot. You hear a lotof a lot of concerns from their
clients. And they're probablyexperts in the field by now.
Right?
Rikki Harris (02:43):
Right. I had the same thought. Um, I think what
really stood out to me in myinterview, and by the way, in
this episode, I interviewed myhairdresser. Kel. And you
interviewed your barber Antoine.
And we did this separately hadone on one. So I'll just talk
for a second about what stoodout to me. And then I want to
hear from you just highlightsfrom Antoine interview. But
Kellen, I always end up talkingabout mental health. And I don't
(03:07):
know if that's just the natureof like, that's what I do. And
so that's where the conversationgoes, because she kind of
follows me through thoseconversations. But one of the
things I learned from her thatreally stood out to me, she
talks about in the interview iswhat they learned in school
about the power of human touch.
And so you know, you're, she'sthere, washing my hair, touching
(03:31):
my head close in my space, sothat it creates some intimacy in
terms of just closeness,physical closeness, which then
opens a person up to morevulnerability to just start
sharing. And I never thoughtabout that. I never thought
about the why behind. We've allheard it, you know, the
(03:53):
hairdressers chair is kind oflike a pseudo therapy chair, or
maybe a gossip chair. But Inever really associated the
personal touch in the personalproximity, physical proximity,
rather, that something Kellytalked about was just hearing
all these stories and takingthat home, because she's not
trained to know what to do withall that information. So and she
(04:16):
also said, she definitelydoesn't feel like she's in a
position where she should orcould offer anyone advice. So
she just has to do a lot oflistening. And she's very
empathetic. She She admittedlysaid that she carries a lot of
those stories and difficultthings home, and then she has to
figure out how to take care ofherself to not let that weigh on
(04:39):
her. And so we talked a lotabout what self care and mental
health looks like for herpersonally. So that's
interesting. One of the thingsyou said a struck me that we
should probably tell listenersthat we have some resources and
things available. Yes, peopleare needing to seek out help on
different topics, the first ofwhich is an online library that
(05:00):
we can, we can access rightthrough our website at tn
places.org. And search upthings, self help related kinds
of books, downloads, freeresources that you can access.
So that's one way, but thenmaybe you could talk briefly
about the app that we're workingon.
Unknown (05:19):
Yeah, so we're working on an app, the Tennessee screen
app, and it is going to besomething that's really, truly
going to be able to get in whatwe hope will get in the hands of
many individuals that arestruggling with mental health
concerns. How do we work toprevent suicide? And how do we
provide these tools for coping,if someone is thinking about
(05:41):
having suicidal ideations or notgoing through that difficult
day, and they don't know what todo? And don't feel that they
have anyone to talk to? How canthey access these resources
through an app right there inthe palm of their hands.
Rikki Harris (05:56):
I'm excited about it. And we're getting really
close to a release date. Socoming very soon, we're also
getting close to our virtualGala. And we decided, again,
this year not to do an in persongathering, but rather to do
something online. And what wereally wanted to focus on was
how can we continue to helpstrengthen the community, from
(06:19):
the feeling of languishing, justbeing stuck in this state that
we're in as a society, dealingwith all the things we've dealt
with in the last 18 months? Andfeeling kind of, blah, and how
can we move forward? And how canwe experience our joy again,
like we remember it pre, thelast 18 months. So that's
(06:41):
coming, and hopefully, very,very soon. Oh, by the way, I
should say, That's November16th. It's going to streamers
16. Yes, yes. It's gonna streamon our platforms. You can find
information about it on ourFacebook, Instagram, Twitter. Do
we have a tick tock account?
Unknown (06:59):
Yeah, but
Rikki Harris (07:00):
really do that?
Yeah. I mean, I don't know whatthe content will be. Because
Don't you have to have video?
See, I'm like not. I have noidea.
Unknown (07:11):
That's what we're here for Ricky. We're here. Yes, we
have a tic tac that will becoming. So be on the lookout
listeners.
Rikki Harris (07:20):
Yes. And with that, we're also going to
release a guided meditation thatI I wrote, and had the pleasure
of working with Bill Fondren,one of our previous candid
podcast guest, who did the voiceover for that meditation, it is
amazing what happens when aprofessional reads, a guided
(07:41):
meditation the way it's supposedto be done, it sounds awesome.
So I'm really excited aboutthat, we're going to have some
music and some graphic put withthat and release that to the
public, which again, will bereleased on all of our social
channels, but also tmvoices.org. So lots coming. And
the reason behind it, maybe wecould take three minutes and
(08:03):
talk about why this is importantto us to provide all these
resources to the community.
Unknown (08:13):
So yes,
Rikki Harris (08:16):
I mean, first of all, how many people have told
you that they're struggling orfeeling some kind of way that
they don't understand or havenot experienced before?
Unknown (08:24):
I mean, you hear it so so often, Ricky, and you know, I
even thought about, we talk alot about languishing. And I
think about my self care tips.
And where you go, we'll hearfrom our Barber, and my barber
and his hairstyle is going tothe barbershop is a part of my
(08:45):
self care. And it got to thepoint where I started not going
as often as, as I used to go,didn't feel like getting up and
going and just wanted to beatmyself. And I know that that was
not like me, I'm always tryingto make sure that I've got a
(09:08):
crisp learn, and maybe, here andthere. But that was at that
moment where I realized, youknow what, it's something
something's not right.
something's a little off. Andyou hear so often. You know,
I've talked to many friendsabout languishing, you know,
since the conversation startedbetween you and I, and a lot of
people are starting to feel, orthey're feeling better that they
(09:30):
now have a term to equate to howthey've been feeling. No, it's
not depression, you know, butit's a different feeling. It's
an odd feeling a state of beingand I've never been there
before, and some people arelosing some joy over there. So
to be able to get the word outabout you know, what, hey, I'm
(09:51):
experiencing this too. Andhere's some tips and tools that
can help you get through it. Andmost importantly, let people
know that you can get throughit. You know, we're living proof
that it's possible. And we'realso improved to let you know
that we're here to support youand walk with you along that
journey.
Rikki Harris (10:10):
Yeah, I agree. I mean, one of the things I think
that we can we can do for thecommunity is trying to help move
them from languishing toflourishing. And I literally
wrote that as a missionstatement that we want to help
people find their joy. And allof this that's been happening.
And I'm excited about that. Thepodcast, I think, is one effort
(10:33):
to do that just to help hearfrom everybody else about what's
been going on with them, and howthey're coping. Because this is
not a one size fits all. This isa will throw a bunch of ideas at
you. We hope you'll trysomething that helps you and
moves you on to a betterposition. Hopefully, you feel
like you are flourishing, andfinding joy again, and all that
(10:57):
all that's going on in theworld. So I'm excited about this
episode, you guys are going toenjoy it. We'll take a quick
break and then we'll be backwith my interview with Cal and
Will's interview with Antoine.
Erika Lathon (11:16):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Vicki Yates (11:22):
A new podcast is not only shining a light on
mental health, but showingothers that they can overcome
their struggles. NewsChannelfive scenesse leam gives us a
first look at candidate
Seena Sleem (11:36):
it's called candid but spelled this way for a
reason man bed is
Rikki Harris (11:40):
a podcast of Tennessee voices about mental
health.
Seena Sleem (11:43):
Each episode will have guests telling their
stories of struggle when itcomes to mental health and
sharing how they can and didovercome their challenges shows
like postpartum depression forco host rookie Harris
Rikki Harris (11:55):
that was the first time that I really didn't know
what to do with my own mentalhealth. I mean, I have a lot of
coping skills and I had a lot ofeducation and training in the
area. And I needed help duringthat time. And so seeking out
therapy and even looking at theoptions of taking medication for
me were just really scary andfeelings
Seena Sleem (12:17):
of anxiety for CO hosts will Boss
Unknown (12:19):
What is my purpose, you know, and really kind of filling
down a lot of times as far asOh, I'm never gonna amount to
this would never amount to that.
Seena Sleem (12:25):
During the pandemic mental health struggles have
only been amplified
Rikki Harris (12:29):
people were turning more toward substances
during the pandemic. suicideswere increasing during the
pandemic, concerns for people'slives were really serious.
Seena Sleem (12:41):
The podcast is another way to help people cope
Unknown (12:44):
okay to not be okay and you are not alone. We are here
we are here to help and to
Seena Sleem (12:51):
expand resources to those that need it, especially
in rural areas. Sina SaleemNewsChannel five.
Vicki Yates (12:59):
Now if you want to give the podcast a listen, it's
available on all major platformslike Spotify and Amazon music.
If you or someone you know isdealing with a mental health
challenge and want to reach outfor help. We have a whole list
of resources on our websiteNewsChannel five.com.
Erika Lathon (13:16):
Welcome back.
Okay,
Rikki Harris (13:22):
awesome. Welcome to the candidate podcast. Kelly
Barclay. How are you?
Kelly Barclay (13:28):
Thank you. I'm doing well. How are you doing?
Rikki Harris (13:31):
I'm good. I'm good. I'm super excited. Because
in this episode, we have twointerviews one with you. And
then one, my co host isinterviewing his barber. So we
have we have a themed episode.
We were we were we were nerdingout on that being the theme
because anyway, you know, wewere talking my co host, co host
(13:54):
will and I were talking aboutthe relationship you have with a
person who does your hair. It'skind of a special relationship.
And we know what it's like onour side being the person in the
chair. But I guess we want toknow what it's like on your side
being the person dealing withthe person. Yeah, gosh, and
(14:16):
something that we've been, youknow, I've always heard friends
over the years who you know, arein any kind of services for you
know, cosmetic or whatever wouldsay I feel like a therapist
sometimes.
Kelly Barclay (14:37):
100% Yeah. Oh, we want an edge therapist.
Rikki Harris (14:45):
Well, I would tell them about you what you do where
your salon is and all that funstuff.
Kelly Barclay (14:52):
All right. Well, yes, my name is Kelly and I have
a salon studio over in Midtownof Nashville. I've had it for
about a year, but I've beendoing hair since 2007. And I
think I was only 17 When Istarted. So I got at a very
(15:12):
young age, I had to learn how todraw that professional line
between kind of being someone'stherapist and also remembering
that the end goal is the hair.
And that is a constant, notnecessarily struggle, because I
take a lot of pride in peoplebeing comfortable to talk to me.
But at the end of the day, I dolike people to remember, I am
(15:37):
just a hairstylist, and I canonly I can only help so much.
But sometimes people just wantto talk and that's what I've
learned is listening ispowerful.
Rikki Harris (15:50):
Wow. Yeah. You've told me you've heard a lot of
stories, different people, youknow, trauma, their walk through
life, their their fears, theirconcerns. What do you do with
all that? I mean, how does thataffect you day to day?
Kelly Barclay (16:09):
Um, you know, I don't think I don't think at the
time of my career, majority ofmy career, I was so much younger
than most of my clientele, thatthat line wasn't crossed.
Because to them, I was just thisyoung girl doing hair, and they
were more excited about what Iwas doing for my free time. And
(16:33):
then I would say, definitely, inthe last five ish years. It's
just been a different dynamic.
And it has affected my lifewhere I'll come home, and
sometimes I'm just, I could justsleep for a whole day. And I'm
just drained. And I'm like, Idon't understand why I feel this
way. Because I love. I love myjob. I love my life. Why am I so
(16:55):
pooped all the time? Yeah. Andit was actually, my boyfriend
who pointed out one day, he wasjust like, Kelly, I think that
you don't, I don't think yourealize what you do. I don't
think you realize what youabsorb. He I'm a very empathetic
person, which I kind of loveabout myself. But it's a it's
(17:18):
challenging, because sometimessomeone will tell me something,
and I just want to fix it forthem. And then when I can't, um,
that that hurts that like itdoes, it weighs on me, or I'll
come home and I'm like, hush, Ihope so. And so's Okay, I hope
that their families, okay. Andthat's like normal. But when
it's six to seven people everyday, five to six days a week,
(17:41):
every six weeks. You know, it'syeah, it's like a story that
just keeps building. And so atool that my boyfriend's mom
taught me, she teaches yoga.
Actually out of she does, likerecover yoga outside of, I don't
(18:03):
want to say it's kind of like,in the jail system. And so you
know, that could be very heavy.
And she has just taught memeditation to do before I leave.
And honestly, just practicinggratitude and praying for peace
and for my own mind and forothers, and just being grateful
for what I have and acceptingthat I all I can do is be kind
(18:25):
and listen. Maybe not even offeradvice, because then you're kind
of held responsible for thatadvice, you know,
Rikki Harris (18:36):
yeah, yes. But that's amazing. That year, he
said, Your boyfriend's momtaught you these techniques. And
the first of all, you know,that's awesome. The work that
she does, that's a huge need tosupport the people that are in
our jails and prisons and butgodly to have that ability to
(18:57):
teach them to meditate and tocenter and focus. That's huge.
And sounds like it works. Itworks for you because you're
practicing it.
Kelly Barclay (19:08):
Yes, it's it's a constant reminder. And, and it's
a thing, I'm grateful. It's aweird thing. It's a double edged
sword sometimes because, um,it's something I complain about,
but at the same time, the otherhalf of my body is just like so
incredibly grateful that I Idon't just come to a hair salon
and mindlessly play withpeople's hair all day and catch
(19:29):
my paychecks and go home. Youknow, it gives me a sense of
purpose as well. I just wishthat I had a little bit of the
background of of how to helpbecause I'm just like, oh my
gosh, I did not take psychology.
I don't know what to do withthis information. But I'm going
to at least make sure you feelthe best I can make you about
yourself in this moment. Yeah,
Rikki Harris (19:53):
I think like, how much what I wonder why it's
easier and I will say I think itis easier, I would agree for
myself, it's easier to talk tosomeone you know casually about
your own mental health than itis to make that appointment and
go to a therapist. But I don'tknow, that is,
Kelly Barclay (20:17):
you know, I find myself doing it like with
certain clients, they'll ask mejust that right question where
all of a sudden, I open up myown floodgates, and then I have
to be like, Whoa, they'repaying, they're not paying you
for your to give you therapy,Kelly, like reel it in, you
know, but I do think that itjust becomes this comfort. And
at the end of the day, we bothknow, we don't have to see or
(20:38):
talk to each other for anothersix weeks. It is kind of, it's
kind of a safe space whereyou're like, Okay, we just
unloaded that baggage. And weboth feel a little bit better.
Yeah, yeah. But it does give
Rikki Harris (20:52):
you some, like, I'm trying to find the right
words, but some sense ofcommunity that there are people
in your life that you'reregularly seeing that it's, it's
nice to both get support andgive support back and forth in
those relationships, too. Andnot just hold everything in and
think all if I'm going to talkabout this, it's going to have
(21:14):
to be in a professional place,you know,
Kelly Barclay (21:17):
right, right.
Well, and some people don'twant, you know, you go to a
therapist, because at the endgoal of therapy is to figure out
what's really going on with you,and how you can strengthen that,
you know, and when people cometo me, the last thing they want
me to do is diagnose, I'm sorry,but you know, like that they
(21:38):
don't want and so I think that'sthe safeness for them, that they
know. But you know, sometimespeople cross the line. And it
does, it gets really, it getsreally tricky. But and the past,
you know, year and a half hasbeen a little bit trickier for
some people. So it is it is avery unique time. But there was
(21:58):
something about I felt once Iturned 30, I felt my own
clientele kind of looked at me alittle differently. In the sense
of what what's appropriate totalk about now versus even two
and a half years ago, you know,it's just wow.
Rikki Harris (22:18):
Yeah. I mean, my next question for you is, how
have the conversations in yourchair changed since last year?
2020? Around March?
Kelly Barclay (22:30):
Yeah. Um, you know, for the most part, it's
been a really like, kind ofbeautiful thing. And I'm really
grateful for my studio, becauseit's been able to be really
intimate, but at the same time,that level that that security
and privacy that people feel,because it's just me and them in
the salon. Probably, I thoughtabout it. And if I still worked
(22:54):
at a very public salon, I don'tthink a lot of things would be
brought up, ever, you know, andso I try and maintain a level of
professionalism. But yeah, it'sbeen pretty heavy, I would say
rightfully so. Some stuff hasbeen sad, some stuff has just
been frustrations, you know, butluckily for me, there's never
(23:16):
been a lack of respect betweenme and my customers. I haven't
had to deal with anything likethat. It's just been something
where I can't really describeit, you know, everyone's just
been, everyone's been suffering.
So it's just been, it's beenheavy, but at the same time,
especially last, let's see, wewere shut down. Salons were shut
(23:37):
down till almost June last year.
So probably starting around thenwas where we were in all the
phases, you know, and there'sonly so much you could do, and
so much people wanted to do, butyou know, I was one thing that
people were adamant about doingwas their hair. Yeah. And, you
(24:00):
know, really important and thatwas yes. And that was the one
thing on the calendar for peoplethat they were like, oh my god,
I cannot wait to go see Kel andI loved it. And it's amazing,
but I had to remember that too.
For some people I was their onlysource of outside their fan
friends and family or you know,some people who who are by
themselves. I was their onlylife's or in a very dramatic way
(24:21):
but you know what I mean? Like,yeah, human connection. And even
you know, my mentor back inChicago, she always told me she
was like, the most powerful giftwe have in our industry is the
power of touch. And she saidpeople don't think about it you
don't you don't reallyappreciate it until you don't
have it. But just the fact thatyou can hug someone or or in our
(24:45):
instance just like the shampoo,how nice is that make you feel
you know, and in a time whenyou're just maybe by yourself
and then you know, once a monthyou can come see me and we could
talk and and you Get humaninteraction in the intimate way,
a personal way. You know, it'sjust, it was it changed my, my
whole mindset of my, of my craftand my industry and what I want
(25:10):
my purpose behind the chair tobe main goal is always to make
sure you're not getting a wonkyhaircut, you know, but we
appreciate, yeah, yes, that isthe main goal. But, you know,
when you leave, and you're like,Oh, I feel so much better,
sometimes that it goes a littledeeper than just the surface of
(25:31):
your haircut, and just kind of agift.
Rikki Harris (25:36):
Walk. Yeah, that's really wise. And it's really
powerful. I mean, what you're,what you're offering your
clients, and it has a lot to dowith their image, it has a lot
to do with how they feel aboutthemselves. And that's pretty
powerful, especially for awoman. I don't know if it's
powerful for a man because I'mnot a man. So I don't have that
(25:57):
experience. But I can I canspeak to it from that
standpoint. That's so whatthings did you do to take care
of yourself through the last 18months that you think might help
somebody else who's maybestruggling with feelings of
like, languishing, or just getthe, you know, feeling that
(26:18):
blah, feeling trying to getthrough all this muddy water in
the world right now.
Kelly Barclay (26:23):
Um, I would say, on a health standpoint, I kind
of dropped the ball, I'm notgonna pretend like I started
working out at home and stuff.
And I definitely fell into thatgroup of just like, when I came
home, I just, well, actually,when I couldn't work was
probably the hardest. The firstweek, I was like, on it, my
laundry was all caught up. I wasworking out every day, my dog
(26:46):
was living her best life. Andthen when we got shut down
again, I just I did I went to apretty dark place. But, um, my
boyfriend, I'm really gratefulfor him. You know, it was a hard
conversation. But he did. Hejust kind of sat me down. And
he's like, Kelly, this could goon forever, are you going to be
sad forever. And I was like,well, maybe, you know, like,
(27:10):
leave me alone. But then I waslike, but no, I don't want to be
sad forever, I have to figuresomething out. Um, so I think
what I try to do now is honestlyjust practice gratitude. Because
that's the only thing I canreally do. Like, it's not very
easy for me to see my family.
It's not very, I have some goodfriends here. But I don't have
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my whole core group here inNashville. So as far as that
goes, all I can do is just wakeup every day and think about
what I do have and what I amgrateful for. And the rest is
kind of starting to follow suitbecause of that, because I'm,
I'm resetting my brain everymorning to instead of being
like, I have to do this, I haveto do that. Or I can't do this,
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or I can't do that. I just tryand focus on what I have, what I
can control. And, and not makeeverything else feel like such
an obligation, you know, goingfor a walk or going to work out
now. I'm just like, okay, yeah,Kelly, you're pretty grateful,
lucky that you could just wakeup on a Tuesday and go for a
hike if you want. I don't knowthat people can do that. So I'm
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just trying to shift my mindset.
And that's been helping a lot.
Rikki Harris (28:23):
But I'm just really, really wise because one
of the things that I've beentrying to study and figure out
is how to help people know howto shift their thoughts, because
our thoughts really drive ourfeelings and how we, you know,
if we think about things inpositive ways, or when we think
(28:45):
about things in gratitude,grateful ways, then we're in a
different place versus thinkabout things in hopeless ways.
And then we're feeling prettydifferent.
Kelly Barclay (28:55):
Yeah, totally.
Rikki Harris (28:56):
I make sense. I love it. I love it. Well, yeah,
mental health talk is not easy,but it sounds like in your
world, you get to have lots ofthose conversations. So
Kelly Barclay (29:11):
do and, you know, other people's it's a it's a
weird thing, because, you know,I don't want to take other
people's stories. And not onlylike apply them to my life, but
I don't want to look at them,like, Oh, I'm so grateful. I
don't have that. You know, like,it's a it's not like that, but
it is perspective. And I when Iget like down in the dumps and
(29:35):
stuff, I do remind myself like,oh my gosh, there was a lady who
just broke down crying in mychair yesterday. You know, and
she didn't have if she's talkingto me that makes me think she
didn't have anyone else to talkto and I'm just grateful that I
do have people to talk to and ifI can be that person for
(29:55):
someone. I am grateful for it.
But I just You You just have tolearn how to separate it from
affecting your life.
Rikki Harris (30:05):
Oh, true. Well, is there anything we didn't talk
about that you just wantlisteners to know or hear? You
want to tell them to go on andtalk to you about? You know?
Yeah,
Kelly Barclay (30:17):
I guess that's a good idea. It's called Wild
Iris. It is right in the, Ibelieve the heart of Nashville,
right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a prettycool spot to be in. And yeah,
it's a very safe welcomingspace. Anyone is welcome. Um,
but yeah, I think if I had anyadvice, or anything I've learned
is just that we just have to benice to each other and, and just
(30:41):
breathe through it, because wecan do it. And I mean, two years
is already gone by. So that'sthe other thing. I'm like, how
fast time is going. I want to, Iwant to try and make it the most
out of what we can you know,
Rikki Harris (30:55):
lately?
Absolutely. Well, I will sayI'll add one plug. Since I get
to experience your salon andyour chair and your cuts. I
recommend it highly. I love thefact that it is just you and and
you know, it is a really safespace. There's no worrying about
how silly you look when yourhair's in foils. No. Well, you
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is there to see it.
Unknown (31:26):
My Saint Leo,
Rikki Harris (31:29):
and I so appreciate you being willing to
come on and chat with me. i Oh,thank you. I love syncing up
like this. And I alwaysappreciate the cool
conversations that we have forthe hour so that I get to see
you every few months. So anyway,
Unknown (31:47):
thank you Kelly Barclay.
Rikki Harris (31:48):
I appreciate it. I hope you have an Oscar.
Kelly Barclay (31:52):
Yes, you too.
Thank you. All right. Talk toyou soon. Bye. Bye.
Brian Sullivan (32:05):
Here are some tips to help keep you motivated
through the holiday season.
Spend time with people youenjoy. Learn to say no. Maintain
a healthy routine. don'toverspend. practice gratitude.
Don't isolate yourself. Identifyyour triggers. Make something
from scratch. Do a daily checkin with yourself and take breaks
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when you need to. self care isso important this time of year.
Make sure you're listening toyourself and what you need. For
more information on how tomaintain your mental health
through the holiday season, logon to tn voices.org.
Erika Lathon (33:07):
Tn voices is now hiring qualified applicants to
fill positions all across thestate. You can be part of a
growing team that puts themental health of Tennesseans
first and thrive in acompassionate work environment
to apply to join our team log onto tn voices.org/employment.
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Thank you for joining us. If youenjoyed today's program, like
subscribe and review thispodcast. If you or someone you
know is in need of mental healthsupport services, log on to tn
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