August 12, 2025 • 25 mins
Delta-8’s been sold as “legal THC” — a budget-friendly buzz you can snag at the gas station. But what’s really in that gummy? And why does it feel so… off?
In this episode, we break down:
Why Delta-8 isn’t the same as cannabis (and never will be)
The sketchy extraction methods that leave behind chemical baggage
How the 2018 Farm Bill cracked the door for semi-synthetic cannabinoids
Dirty highs, fake entourage effects, and the myth of a “clean” Delta-8
Why prohibition 2.0 is looking a lot like the hemp loophole hustle
This one’s part rant, part real talk — because access shouldn’t come at the cost of quality. Especially when the cure feels worse than the condition.
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(00:08):
Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape, flour,
edibles. Strains.
And everything in between. Hey, welcome back kids.
Another cannabis school. We're going to be talking about
(00:31):
a topic we touched on you a while.
Ago a long time ago A. Couple years ago it's.
Been a hot minute, yeah? And it was hot coming out, you
know, a. Lot of people talk to everyone
was creating products with. And it might have been around
before that, but at the same time, on a mass scale, this is
when it really started hitting. Well, I think that it it's
(00:51):
probably the insurgency of it was recent because before then
it naturally occurs in such low doses, but it doesn't occur in
any high percentage. So any high percentage has been
an isolated compound that's comeout of altering a CBD isolate.
(01:12):
Yeah. So what we're today we're
talking about is Delta 8 and ourbeef with it.
And the, the big thing on that one, what Brandon was just going
in is that when you get concentrates from cannabis, our
lovely plant here, marijuana classified by the DEA, when you
use that, when you extract it, most of the time people are
(01:34):
going to be able to get like a CO2 extraction, which is still
probably by far the safest. But at the same time, it's not
using two different types of chemicals, which are acids and
what are the what else do they? Use like butanes and.
Acids and solvents. Yeah, in order to process that
to get it out. So and no matter what, there's
(01:55):
usually always some percentage of solvent left in it.
It's just how much of that percentage.
And often times like you'll see the marketing around delta 8 and
it'll go, oh, this is like diet weed and it's it's really not.
It's like semi synthesized THC. It's it's like drinking RC Cola
(02:17):
when you got Coca-Cola and I don't even like soda, but you
know, when you, when you're taking like a low rent, very
tasteless. Doesn't it's not, it's not what
you're looking for. That's Delta 8 to me.
I don't know if it is to you. This is the first time in a long
time that I will have pinched a bowl.
(02:38):
Oh, because I forgot the little tool over there and I just
didn't want to get all the way up and it's all the way over
there. It feels so weird, like it's
been a hot minute since I've like pinched flour like this
after it's been ground. So here's one of the things that
I have a big issue with, and there's lack of regulation
within the delta extraction process.
(02:59):
The hemp industry in general. 100% I mean how many heavy metal
pesticides are processed throughthat?
Go into products that you consume.
Even in the cannabis side, though, not even just hemp.
Totally. Totally.
And you can tell that's the one thing that's really, I mean it's
it's got getting lettuce, but you I mean it's got getting a
salad, but you dump like a full cup of 1000 island dressing on
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it. You're still going to get the
good stuff in there, but it's got bad stuff too.
But that's one thing. But when you're dealing with
using acids and solvents to be able to extract the chemical
that's psychoactive, to kind of feel like what you experience on
cannabis, on marijuana, that is a big issue for me.
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Most of them aren't lab tested. Most of them are contaminated in
the D8 space. We've tried delta 8.
Delta 8 feels like giving yourself the flu for me.
Oh, it's a gross dirty. Feeling not a good.
Feeling doesn't feel like cannabis to me.
It's like, oh, OK, like StrangerThings and you go into the the
(04:05):
like underside where everything's like the gross,
creepy version of that world. It's like that but with flour.
You're using cannabis, but then the other side is D8D9 THC
that's not produced properly because really every cannabis
product is delta 9 THC when you look at the actual compound.
(04:28):
But you know, your COA might saywhatever depending on the state
you're in. So, but it's, it really comes
down to that like 2018 hemp farmbill that came out that just
allowed this Gray area of hemp products with lack of
regulation, where we've got these gas station gummies and
vape products. And you know, the Wild West of
(04:50):
this is cannabis. And yet it's it's really not
like it might be from the sense of it all comes from a cannabis
site plant, but this is so overly synthesized and altered
that it's, it's nowhere near theinitial compound that you start
out with. So your experience is never
(05:10):
going to be even remotely close to that.
Well, in the health benefits too, I mean, you know, we can
say both sides. Is cannabis helpful?
Is it not helpful? Yeah, there's there's a lot of
evidence that shows that it's very helpful.
There's some evidence that can show that it can be
counterproductive, but that's going to be based on an
individual basis. So each individual, you go
first, you go first, each individual basis is going to
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based upon your not just your genetic makeup, but your
endocannabinoid system. And everybody's endocannabinoid
system is different from the next.
All mammals have that right. But when they start to interact
with these cannabinoids and including these fake
cannabinoids, not to say fake, but these are just, they're,
they are fake because they're synthesized.
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Yes, they're synthesized. They're not the real well.
No, no, no, D8 THC is a naturally occurring it is.
Extremely. Tiny microdoses, so it is still
a naturally occurring. One smoke, a lot of hemp.
Or you wouldn't even really notice the feeling, because it
would. Because Hempa to nullify.
It so minuscule that all the other compounds even like the
(06:16):
delta 9 THC within that would bea higher percentage.
So you'd probably feel more higher in a cleaner sense than
the delta 8 product, right? But that's an interesting thing
like in the short time. So it's 2018 till now 2018 I'm.
Going to ask you where did this start I.
Don't know if we really had a lot of Delta 8 products right in
(06:38):
2018 when it first started, but over the 2020-2021 22 through
there, we started to see a ton of those products come out.
You know why they came out? Because they had extra isolate
and they didn't know what to do with it.
It was probably expiring or going bad and they were
figuring. Out hole in the in the farm
Bill. Yeah.
(06:59):
So they were able to skirt past that.
And I mean, you're going to havereally smart ass people to go,
Oh, well, you could just do thisbecause they know.
That 100% because science. Ethno botanists.
Chemists. And going, oh, well, it's saying
this compound is illegal. However, we could alter that
compound, one chemical trait andthen sell it as that.
(07:19):
Now that one's not regulated or illegal anywhere, so we don't
have any restrictions. And how many large companies
came and went real fast of when we got these products and we
sell them we've. What was that one company?
They used to have like advertisements everywhere and it
was like all these old couples like I like main pre rolls, like
like gummies. I don't know you remember that?
(07:40):
One, it's like magic or some fucking shit like that.
Something weird, yeah. Was I always just like, It blew
my mind every time I saw the advertisement.
Yeah, I'm like, how are they getting away with?
This, I know it's ridiculous. Even the ones here that I see
for kush cubes and it's like, oh, high without the THC and
(08:01):
they're selling them and I swearlike there's all sorts of stuff
in there that you're like, what?What is this?
Why is this in here already? We've got over 17 states in just
the US alone who have either banned or restricted D8 because
of the lack of regulation, the like harm that's caused, just
the experiences that people havefrom it.
(08:24):
Yeah, in California, I know you can only be able to buy it from
actual dispensaries. Oh, they sell D8 there.
They. Sell D8 there, but it's all
through dispensaries so you can't just buy it at a gas
station. But that's the.
Problem. So there's some level of
regulation probably behind that,hopefully that.
That's what they're trying to dothere.
Produces a cleaner. So they're, I mean, but again,
(08:45):
this is California. Well, this is the Wild West of
COAS. We had talked about before
getting on to the show, that HHCcompany, do you remember their
name? They were on the show years ago.
These guys are extractors. They're they build extraction
plants. Facilities.
Yeah. Yeah, not for cannabis, they
just started in anything. Other ones, yeah, but they built
(09:05):
this really clean product. The HHC was still a weird
experience, but he brought a D8 pen that they had extracted on
at their facility. Yeah.
That pen itself for for being delta 8.
Don't get me wrong. That would be like the cleanest
one. Would I ever go buy one of
those? No, because I still prefer the
(09:27):
unsynthesized unbastardized version of the plant where it's
clean. It's pure.
Like flower is still our favorite form.
Yeah, we love concentrates. We still use a dirty disty once
and a blue moon or a live rosin pen or something.
Extraction and it's, I don't know, it comes from the plant
(09:47):
that we use that has all the things in there that we want.
It's not the CB, it's not the delta 8 that I want.
It's the cannabinoids, it's the terpenes.
And that doesn't provide that. And all you get is a very dirty
feeling. Yeah, it's just not good.
It's not clean. Long term use.
(10:08):
People don't really enjoy it. So people complain about these
are the reported side effects, which is funny because I feel
like it's kind of similar to cannabis, but it's nausea,
confusion, paranoia, hallucinations or even
hospitalization. Now, hallucinations I could
imagine is probably indosing just like anything else, because
(10:30):
a lot of like if you go back to even early days of cannabis when
they're like, oh, you know, smoke this and you're going to
see all this stuff. What in the fuck is that laced
with? Yeah, yeah.
It's like psychedelics, you know, people tell you like, oh,
I saw purple elephants and I sawlaser light.
No, no you didn't. Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, what in the world wereyou on?
Because no, you didn't. There is no psychedelic that
(10:51):
granted I am not a psychonaut ofany massive level.
Dipped a lot. But I've dabbled and I can say
that I have done my fair share and there's not been any
experience where I have seen something that didn't exist, no
or have seen something that wasn't there.
The walls might have looked likethey were breathing or moving,
(11:13):
or the grass might have looked like it was flowing or same with
the carpet. You know those types of things,
but you're not. I never experienced.
No. And the thing too, it's always
in how you use it. You know, that's the same.
People will say, well, potheads are stupid and they're
unmotivated. And you know what I told those
guys? Yeah, shut up, man, You don't
(11:35):
know me. I actually.
I thought about that the other day because I I was sitting
there and I'm like, OK, I've gottime and my brain always goes,
Brandon, you need to be working on something.
You need to be doing something. I'm like, I haven't played an
instrument in years. I haven't touched an instrument
in years. So the other day I sat down and
I opened my piano and well, because it's from the 40s and I
(11:58):
haven't fully restored it, it goes out of tune pretty easy, I
feel like. So I sat down and, well, I
decided I wanted to learn a song, so I had to tune my piano
first. So I pulled it out and I was
like, you know, I don't do this that much, so I'm going to
record this too. So I set up a camera and did all
that. But stoners are lazy, right?
So I made sure I was puffing on my pan as I'm doing all of this.
(12:21):
And then I tune my piano and then I sit down and I start
playing and doing all that. And I was like, interesting,
stoners are lazy. But for me to just learn a song,
I set up my camera, opened my piano, I pulled out all my
tuning instruments. I pulled out my iPad, hooked up
the microphone and set the microphone down so I could get
more accuracy on my tuning. I went 1 by 1 and got it
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digitally and then played it by ear to fine tune it past that.
And just like this is the level of lazy that comes from being a
Stoner. But again, that's the same
thing. It's part of the culture and
it's a culture that one's introduced to.
And that's why even you through rarely nowadays, not not in the
amounts that when I was a kid, like, you know, if you got
(13:06):
cannabis, it was a crowd of people that.
Use. Oh yeah.
Kids don't use them as much anymore.
And this is the problem I have with Delta 8, because this is
readily available, it comes in agummy real easy.
Yeah, right. A drinkable.
Yep. And cost effective.
They're not extremely expensive.They're probably cheaper than
your regular cannabis edibles insome places.
(13:28):
Other places you mean comparable.
But it is. It's just something that I don't
see as being a very good product.
That the reason why I look at certain things, why probe but
not. This isn't the only reason why
prohibition was stopped, but do you know why prohibition?
One of the big reasons why they were stopping it is because of
(13:49):
illegal liquor being made that was making people go blind or
killing them because they didn'tknow what they were doing.
And it was unregulated and it was just out everywhere.
But that's the same thing we. See, all the shit they made was
bad. But that's like the the reason I
feel like delta 8 is not popularbut that it's purchased is
(14:09):
because most of the places that it's sold are in states that
don't have access to regulated quality cannabis.
Right. You talked about Texas.
In. Cannabis, right?
They have a over $3 billion industry.
In him, In him. Because they don't have real
cannabis. But it's the same I, I look at
that as the same thing, like if you go into something where you
(14:31):
know you're skirting the law. Yeah.
Then, you know, maybe I would beone of those guys going, you
know, if I'm making a good Delta8 product, I'm going to say,
hey, this needs to be more regulated.
Hey, we need to be a selling it just like Canada if we're
feeling these effects. Yeah.
It needs to be treated the same.That's the reason why it's not
sold in Utah. It's not because of anything
(14:51):
else. It's because it directly
competes with the medical cannabis and so they're like,
Nope, you can't use it. It's a medical cannabis state.
If it was REC it'd be different pretty much.
Oh yeah, because REC's more freefor all of what products are
out. And recreational to most of
those very conservative Mormon white guys who are in office are
like no idle hands of the devil's playpen.
(15:13):
Right. Well, do you, do you think that
Delta 8 would still exist if we had access to affordable quality
products across like everywhere?That answers itself because it's
such a it it's, it's kind of funny.
Like it just reminds me of this conversation I have with this
(15:35):
random person. And my niece is like, Hey, do
you have any, you have a little bit of flour?
They're just out. They're just waiting.
I'm like, oh, no worries, I'll swing by.
She lived real close to me when I went over there and I met her
husband and he's a truck driver.And so he can't, he can't use
cannabis at all, but he loves it.
And he told, he told me he goes when I tried it in college, he's
(15:59):
I had served a Mormon mission. I'd done all these different
things in my life. And I was always told that it
was bad. And I had roommates in college
who were like, dude, you need tocome smoke this with us.
And he's like, he was really upset that they even asked.
And finally one time he's like, fine, took a couple hits and
then seriously, 15 minutes laterhe goes, why is this illegal?
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And that's the same thing. Like if there was more of not
just free for all. I, I totally believe in
regulation because if you don't,it's like somebody who's
constantly, you know, making food, but you don't know what it
is and they're selling it on thecorner and you keep buying it.
Well, it's because demand is high, but accessibility is not.
And so that's why we have legacymarket products, that's why we
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have D8D9 THC hemp products, like that's why these things
exist is because we don't have quality access to it.
And they're going man, you know,we're not sure that we should
legalize it. Will you tell us that it's a
massive problem with the, the black market?
So was it a massive problem? So is it?
Is no one buying it? Because if no one's buying it,
(17:07):
it's not a problem. If people are buying it, it
means there's interest in there.There's an interest in cannabis
because they notice what probably because it helps us
something. Yeah, and who are you going to
find? You're not going to find like
these hardcore drug dealers or anything.
You're going to find some hippiechick deep in the woods named
Cinnamon. And she is making her own shit
(17:29):
out there. She's got her teachers, she's
got cool edibles. She's got a infused honey
because she knows that this is the best way to be able to use
the plant. That's pretty much your people
who are buying that because the prices to equal out to some of
the medicinal the medicinal use.I find that people who use
(17:50):
medicinally create their own products.
They create their own teachers, they create their own edibles.
Yeah, because they need them on demand.
And they know the dosing doesn'texist oftentimes no in the
either the product that they need or the dose they need.
And so they have to really create their own because it's
like what exists out there in the market is built for a great
(18:15):
consumer base, but it's not always niche crafted down to the
specific consumer. And, and you have to realize
too, that these products, you know, I, I do feel for those
people who are in those states where it is so strict and you
are very frightened to use any cannabis, which I totally
understand that. And Delta, it's the only thing
being sold there. I get it.
(18:36):
I totally get it. It's what you have access to.
But if I came into a place whereall they serve is grain alcohol,
no beer, I'm going to find a bunch of Alcoholics.
I'm going to find a bunch of illpeople.
And there's not a just the extraction process alone makes
me worried that somebody is going to mess something up
(18:57):
because now you're changing the chemical makeup when you
introduce those things, you know?
Yeah, there are things that are introduced for cannabis.
That's why we call them dirty disties.
They're not the same as the plant.
I mean, it's it's not hard to figure out, but when you keep
the raw plant, if you go back tothe raw plant, what's the raw
(19:18):
plant? What's it coming from?
It's coming from hip, it's coming from CBD.
So there's a reason why that is not psychoactive.
There's a big reason why it's actually counterbalances a lot
of the times the psychoactive effects.
So I just find it funny that there it's it's like it's like
when people have a big problem with gummies looking too close
(19:38):
to like nerd ropes. Yeah, I agree.
I don't think you should be getting a 500 milligram single
edible. I don't think you should get
1000 milligram cookie. I think that's ridiculous.
I think it depends on dose. I think that needs to be
strictly on the medical side because.
That's hard to justify. It is, and there are very few
(19:59):
people who would actually need it because I I haven't told
anyone this, no. I have been lowering my dose on
edibles. I've actually noticed.
That because there was a time that I was working with my dad
and I had 250 milligrams and I stood up and I just felt really,
really weird and like headed andblood pressure.
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And for me, I've not, I don't have that.
That doesn't happen. And I don't feel weird with
edibles usually. And I was only on 250
milligrams. So the next time I took 100 and
I was like, oh, hey. But now my problem is I can do
that at the beginning of the bag, but by the end of the fifth
time that I've used it, 100 milligrams won't do it.
(20:42):
My body like acclimates to that delta or hydroxy 11 hydroxy THC
so quick. Have you experimented with like
eating fats before you consume and seeing it?
That not particularly I. Elongate.
That sometimes I do it with like, oh, because.
You're so scaly. Yeah, I know.
The cannabis just goes to your system.
(21:02):
I don't even think you would test positive on a piss test.
I would just because it's. It's constantly the.
Metabolites. Yeah, like, and even though I
don't have many fat cells, there's probably still a handful
of them within my body and zerlobes.
Yeah, those 5 fat cells that andin my head, so those 5 fat
cells, basically, you know, theywould hold it for some amount of
(21:26):
time then. And there's never a day that I'm
not consuming, because there's never a day that I'm not hurting
so. It's been wonderful for me
during tapering off of testosterone.
Yeah, that's a whole other episode.
But anyways, yeah, I don't. Have to get into.
That it's been really good it's been by far one of the best ways
to help with the anxiety, the panic attacks yeah, and the
(21:48):
changing of your body regularly.But to pull it back to where we
were, the is, it's just, I understand.
I, I, and you brought up something that made me really
think about it. There are a lot of people that
make really good money for themselves and for other people
creating these types of productsperfectly fine.
I understand that. I think that's awesome that
you're, you're employing people.I know that you people aren't
(22:10):
nefarious. You saw an opportunity and went
for it. The only thing is, is that I see
Delta 8 products a lot like thisone product that came out a
little while, probably 10 years ago, maybe even longer.
But it was this little device that you could buy for your car.
And you know how windshield wiper blades are ever here,
you're going to get new ones. Yep.
(22:32):
Well, they have this cool littledevice where you just slid along
and it just cut off a strip of rubber.
Bing Omega, you have a new windshield wiper.
Oh my goodness. And a shit load of these sold.
Probably a lot of scratched windshields too from that.
Because you do know that that rubber is set to an exact height
(22:52):
so it doesn't scrape your windshield.
Yeah, right. So.
A bunch of people bought this and it destroyed their cars.
OK. Their windshields are all.
Just this is how I see Delta A. You're going to, something is
going to happen. Yeah.
And it probably already has people go, oh, yeah.
Well, that's happened on cannabis.
Yeah. When you take too much and you
didn't know what you were doing,hey, your body's going to act
(23:14):
differently. If you over drink water, you'll
drown. Would you buy something labeled
cow derived meat if it wasn't regulated by the FDA?
I don't. Know I've eaten food in Mexico
I. I mean, I know they be like, no,
we keep. It very clean.
No, no. But I mean.
Do you feel like it's Do you feel like delta 8 is solving
(23:37):
prohibition or is it like just replacing with a new?
It's causing a prohibition. Kind of risk.
It's causing a prohibition of cannabis in places where it
should be legalized. You know the the problem that it
comes with, it isn't necessarilyreligious overtones.
It's just cultural. It's fear.
It's cultural. That's been passed down 'cause
it's it's not when the. Turkeys used to use it.
(24:00):
Yeah, and you will be all darn. Perpetuated in in politics and
racist religion, which was like in in everything at a.
Time it was justified by using religion to make sure that it
can be outlawed. Yeah, going in.
Oh well, this is bad. You know, because, you know,
anybody with darker skin than white, well, they're obviously
evil. So I mean, I mean.
(24:20):
Religious Mormon. Prop, all of them did, a lot of
them, but they they propagated this entire thing and now what?
Now what? Now you've got people creating a
product that can be harmful, andit's not going to feel the same.
Yeah, and it's definitely not going to give you the same
medicinal properties. Same quality of experience.
(24:43):
There is no entourage effect when you have a super isolated
compound. It's like somebody telling me
there's really healthy alcohol. Yeah, somebody's going to tell
me, oh, you know, wine, If you drink of that, is it wine or is
it the properties and the grapes?
You're treat you're you're still.
It's a slippery slope either wayyou go.
Yeah, it really is. If you guys are in a state where
(25:05):
delta 8 and hemp are regulated like hemp products are all that
you have access to, drop it below.
Let us know where you guys are AT and how.
Your experiences. Are your senators on board with
legalizing stuff that is better for everyone?
All right, guys, take care.
Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape, flour,
edibles. Strains.
And everything in between. Hey, welcome back kids.
Another cannabis school. We're going to be talking about
(00:31):
a topic we touched on you a while.
Ago a long time ago A. Couple years ago it's.
Been a hot minute, yeah? And it was hot coming out, you
know, a. Lot of people talk to everyone
was creating products with. And it might have been around
before that, but at the same time, on a mass scale, this is
when it really started hitting. Well, I think that it it's
(00:51):
probably the insurgency of it was recent because before then
it naturally occurs in such low doses, but it doesn't occur in
any high percentage. So any high percentage has been
an isolated compound that's comeout of altering a CBD isolate.
(01:12):
Yeah. So what we're today we're
talking about is Delta 8 and ourbeef with it.
And the, the big thing on that one, what Brandon was just going
in is that when you get concentrates from cannabis, our
lovely plant here, marijuana classified by the DEA, when you
use that, when you extract it, most of the time people are
(01:34):
going to be able to get like a CO2 extraction, which is still
probably by far the safest. But at the same time, it's not
using two different types of chemicals, which are acids and
what are the what else do they? Use like butanes and.
Acids and solvents. Yeah, in order to process that
to get it out. So and no matter what, there's
(01:55):
usually always some percentage of solvent left in it.
It's just how much of that percentage.
And often times like you'll see the marketing around delta 8 and
it'll go, oh, this is like diet weed and it's it's really not.
It's like semi synthesized THC. It's it's like drinking RC Cola
(02:17):
when you got Coca-Cola and I don't even like soda, but you
know, when you, when you're taking like a low rent, very
tasteless. Doesn't it's not, it's not what
you're looking for. That's Delta 8 to me.
I don't know if it is to you. This is the first time in a long
time that I will have pinched a bowl.
(02:38):
Oh, because I forgot the little tool over there and I just
didn't want to get all the way up and it's all the way over
there. It feels so weird, like it's
been a hot minute since I've like pinched flour like this
after it's been ground. So here's one of the things that
I have a big issue with, and there's lack of regulation
within the delta extraction process.
(02:59):
The hemp industry in general. 100% I mean how many heavy metal
pesticides are processed throughthat?
Go into products that you consume.
Even in the cannabis side, though, not even just hemp.
Totally. Totally.
And you can tell that's the one thing that's really, I mean it's
it's got getting lettuce, but you I mean it's got getting a
salad, but you dump like a full cup of 1000 island dressing on
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it. You're still going to get the
good stuff in there, but it's got bad stuff too.
But that's one thing. But when you're dealing with
using acids and solvents to be able to extract the chemical
that's psychoactive, to kind of feel like what you experience on
cannabis, on marijuana, that is a big issue for me.
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Most of them aren't lab tested. Most of them are contaminated in
the D8 space. We've tried delta 8.
Delta 8 feels like giving yourself the flu for me.
Oh, it's a gross dirty. Feeling not a good.
Feeling doesn't feel like cannabis to me.
It's like, oh, OK, like StrangerThings and you go into the the
(04:05):
like underside where everything's like the gross,
creepy version of that world. It's like that but with flour.
You're using cannabis, but then the other side is D8D9 THC
that's not produced properly because really every cannabis
product is delta 9 THC when you look at the actual compound.
(04:28):
But you know, your COA might saywhatever depending on the state
you're in. So, but it's, it really comes
down to that like 2018 hemp farmbill that came out that just
allowed this Gray area of hemp products with lack of
regulation, where we've got these gas station gummies and
vape products. And you know, the Wild West of
(04:50):
this is cannabis. And yet it's it's really not
like it might be from the sense of it all comes from a cannabis
site plant, but this is so overly synthesized and altered
that it's, it's nowhere near theinitial compound that you start
out with. So your experience is never
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going to be even remotely close to that.
Well, in the health benefits too, I mean, you know, we can
say both sides. Is cannabis helpful?
Is it not helpful? Yeah, there's there's a lot of
evidence that shows that it's very helpful.
There's some evidence that can show that it can be
counterproductive, but that's going to be based on an
individual basis. So each individual, you go
first, you go first, each individual basis is going to
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based upon your not just your genetic makeup, but your
endocannabinoid system. And everybody's endocannabinoid
system is different from the next.
All mammals have that right. But when they start to interact
with these cannabinoids and including these fake
cannabinoids, not to say fake, but these are just, they're,
they are fake because they're synthesized.
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Yes, they're synthesized. They're not the real well.
No, no, no, D8 THC is a naturally occurring it is.
Extremely. Tiny microdoses, so it is still
a naturally occurring. One smoke, a lot of hemp.
Or you wouldn't even really notice the feeling, because it
would. Because Hempa to nullify.
It so minuscule that all the other compounds even like the
(06:16):
delta 9 THC within that would bea higher percentage.
So you'd probably feel more higher in a cleaner sense than
the delta 8 product, right? But that's an interesting thing
like in the short time. So it's 2018 till now 2018 I'm.
Going to ask you where did this start I.
Don't know if we really had a lot of Delta 8 products right in
(06:38):
2018 when it first started, but over the 2020-2021 22 through
there, we started to see a ton of those products come out.
You know why they came out? Because they had extra isolate
and they didn't know what to do with it.
It was probably expiring or going bad and they were
figuring. Out hole in the in the farm
Bill. Yeah.
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So they were able to skirt past that.
And I mean, you're going to havereally smart ass people to go,
Oh, well, you could just do thisbecause they know.
That 100% because science. Ethno botanists.
Chemists. And going, oh, well, it's saying
this compound is illegal. However, we could alter that
compound, one chemical trait andthen sell it as that.
(07:19):
Now that one's not regulated or illegal anywhere, so we don't
have any restrictions. And how many large companies
came and went real fast of when we got these products and we
sell them we've. What was that one company?
They used to have like advertisements everywhere and it
was like all these old couples like I like main pre rolls, like
like gummies. I don't know you remember that?
(07:40):
One, it's like magic or some fucking shit like that.
Something weird, yeah. Was I always just like, It blew
my mind every time I saw the advertisement.
Yeah, I'm like, how are they getting away with?
This, I know it's ridiculous. Even the ones here that I see
for kush cubes and it's like, oh, high without the THC and
(08:01):
they're selling them and I swearlike there's all sorts of stuff
in there that you're like, what?What is this?
Why is this in here already? We've got over 17 states in just
the US alone who have either banned or restricted D8 because
of the lack of regulation, the like harm that's caused, just
the experiences that people havefrom it.
(08:24):
Yeah, in California, I know you can only be able to buy it from
actual dispensaries. Oh, they sell D8 there.
They. Sell D8 there, but it's all
through dispensaries so you can't just buy it at a gas
station. But that's the.
Problem. So there's some level of
regulation probably behind that,hopefully that.
That's what they're trying to dothere.
Produces a cleaner. So they're, I mean, but again,
(08:45):
this is California. Well, this is the Wild West of
COAS. We had talked about before
getting on to the show, that HHCcompany, do you remember their
name? They were on the show years ago.
These guys are extractors. They're they build extraction
plants. Facilities.
Yeah. Yeah, not for cannabis, they
just started in anything. Other ones, yeah, but they built
(09:05):
this really clean product. The HHC was still a weird
experience, but he brought a D8 pen that they had extracted on
at their facility. Yeah.
That pen itself for for being delta 8.
Don't get me wrong. That would be like the cleanest
one. Would I ever go buy one of
those? No, because I still prefer the
(09:27):
unsynthesized unbastardized version of the plant where it's
clean. It's pure.
Like flower is still our favorite form.
Yeah, we love concentrates. We still use a dirty disty once
and a blue moon or a live rosin pen or something.
Extraction and it's, I don't know, it comes from the plant
(09:47):
that we use that has all the things in there that we want.
It's not the CB, it's not the delta 8 that I want.
It's the cannabinoids, it's the terpenes.
And that doesn't provide that. And all you get is a very dirty
feeling. Yeah, it's just not good.
It's not clean. Long term use.
(10:08):
People don't really enjoy it. So people complain about these
are the reported side effects, which is funny because I feel
like it's kind of similar to cannabis, but it's nausea,
confusion, paranoia, hallucinations or even
hospitalization. Now, hallucinations I could
imagine is probably indosing just like anything else, because
(10:30):
a lot of like if you go back to even early days of cannabis when
they're like, oh, you know, smoke this and you're going to
see all this stuff. What in the fuck is that laced
with? Yeah, yeah.
It's like psychedelics, you know, people tell you like, oh,
I saw purple elephants and I sawlaser light.
No, no you didn't. Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, what in the world wereyou on?
Because no, you didn't. There is no psychedelic that
(10:51):
granted I am not a psychonaut ofany massive level.
Dipped a lot. But I've dabbled and I can say
that I have done my fair share and there's not been any
experience where I have seen something that didn't exist, no
or have seen something that wasn't there.
The walls might have looked likethey were breathing or moving,
(11:13):
or the grass might have looked like it was flowing or same with
the carpet. You know those types of things,
but you're not. I never experienced.
No. And the thing too, it's always
in how you use it. You know, that's the same.
People will say, well, potheads are stupid and they're
unmotivated. And you know what I told those
guys? Yeah, shut up, man, You don't
(11:35):
know me. I actually.
I thought about that the other day because I I was sitting
there and I'm like, OK, I've gottime and my brain always goes,
Brandon, you need to be working on something.
You need to be doing something. I'm like, I haven't played an
instrument in years. I haven't touched an instrument
in years. So the other day I sat down and
I opened my piano and well, because it's from the 40s and I
(11:58):
haven't fully restored it, it goes out of tune pretty easy, I
feel like. So I sat down and, well, I
decided I wanted to learn a song, so I had to tune my piano
first. So I pulled it out and I was
like, you know, I don't do this that much, so I'm going to
record this too. So I set up a camera and did all
that. But stoners are lazy, right?
So I made sure I was puffing on my pan as I'm doing all of this.
(12:21):
And then I tune my piano and then I sit down and I start
playing and doing all that. And I was like, interesting,
stoners are lazy. But for me to just learn a song,
I set up my camera, opened my piano, I pulled out all my
tuning instruments. I pulled out my iPad, hooked up
the microphone and set the microphone down so I could get
more accuracy on my tuning. I went 1 by 1 and got it
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digitally and then played it by ear to fine tune it past that.
And just like this is the level of lazy that comes from being a
Stoner. But again, that's the same
thing. It's part of the culture and
it's a culture that one's introduced to.
And that's why even you through rarely nowadays, not not in the
amounts that when I was a kid, like, you know, if you got
(13:06):
cannabis, it was a crowd of people that.
Use. Oh yeah.
Kids don't use them as much anymore.
And this is the problem I have with Delta 8, because this is
readily available, it comes in agummy real easy.
Yeah, right. A drinkable.
Yep. And cost effective.
They're not extremely expensive.They're probably cheaper than
your regular cannabis edibles insome places.
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Other places you mean comparable.
But it is. It's just something that I don't
see as being a very good product.
That the reason why I look at certain things, why probe but
not. This isn't the only reason why
prohibition was stopped, but do you know why prohibition?
One of the big reasons why they were stopping it is because of
(13:49):
illegal liquor being made that was making people go blind or
killing them because they didn'tknow what they were doing.
And it was unregulated and it was just out everywhere.
But that's the same thing we. See, all the shit they made was
bad. But that's like the the reason I
feel like delta 8 is not popularbut that it's purchased is
(14:09):
because most of the places that it's sold are in states that
don't have access to regulated quality cannabis.
Right. You talked about Texas.
In. Cannabis, right?
They have a over $3 billion industry.
In him, In him. Because they don't have real
cannabis. But it's the same I, I look at
that as the same thing, like if you go into something where you
(14:31):
know you're skirting the law. Yeah.
Then, you know, maybe I would beone of those guys going, you
know, if I'm making a good Delta8 product, I'm going to say,
hey, this needs to be more regulated.
Hey, we need to be a selling it just like Canada if we're
feeling these effects. Yeah.
It needs to be treated the same.That's the reason why it's not
sold in Utah. It's not because of anything
(14:51):
else. It's because it directly
competes with the medical cannabis and so they're like,
Nope, you can't use it. It's a medical cannabis state.
If it was REC it'd be different pretty much.
Oh yeah, because REC's more freefor all of what products are
out. And recreational to most of
those very conservative Mormon white guys who are in office are
like no idle hands of the devil's playpen.
(15:13):
Right. Well, do you, do you think that
Delta 8 would still exist if we had access to affordable quality
products across like everywhere?That answers itself because it's
such a it it's, it's kind of funny.
Like it just reminds me of this conversation I have with this
(15:35):
random person. And my niece is like, Hey, do
you have any, you have a little bit of flour?
They're just out. They're just waiting.
I'm like, oh, no worries, I'll swing by.
She lived real close to me when I went over there and I met her
husband and he's a truck driver.And so he can't, he can't use
cannabis at all, but he loves it.
And he told, he told me he goes when I tried it in college, he's
(15:59):
I had served a Mormon mission. I'd done all these different
things in my life. And I was always told that it
was bad. And I had roommates in college
who were like, dude, you need tocome smoke this with us.
And he's like, he was really upset that they even asked.
And finally one time he's like, fine, took a couple hits and
then seriously, 15 minutes laterhe goes, why is this illegal?
(16:21):
And that's the same thing. Like if there was more of not
just free for all. I, I totally believe in
regulation because if you don't,it's like somebody who's
constantly, you know, making food, but you don't know what it
is and they're selling it on thecorner and you keep buying it.
Well, it's because demand is high, but accessibility is not.
And so that's why we have legacymarket products, that's why we
(16:45):
have D8D9 THC hemp products, like that's why these things
exist is because we don't have quality access to it.
And they're going man, you know,we're not sure that we should
legalize it. Will you tell us that it's a
massive problem with the, the black market?
So was it a massive problem? So is it?
Is no one buying it? Because if no one's buying it,
(17:07):
it's not a problem. If people are buying it, it
means there's interest in there.There's an interest in cannabis
because they notice what probably because it helps us
something. Yeah, and who are you going to
find? You're not going to find like
these hardcore drug dealers or anything.
You're going to find some hippiechick deep in the woods named
Cinnamon. And she is making her own shit
(17:29):
out there. She's got her teachers, she's
got cool edibles. She's got a infused honey
because she knows that this is the best way to be able to use
the plant. That's pretty much your people
who are buying that because the prices to equal out to some of
the medicinal the medicinal use.I find that people who use
(17:50):
medicinally create their own products.
They create their own teachers, they create their own edibles.
Yeah, because they need them on demand.
And they know the dosing doesn'texist oftentimes no in the
either the product that they need or the dose they need.
And so they have to really create their own because it's
like what exists out there in the market is built for a great
(18:15):
consumer base, but it's not always niche crafted down to the
specific consumer. And, and you have to realize
too, that these products, you know, I, I do feel for those
people who are in those states where it is so strict and you
are very frightened to use any cannabis, which I totally
understand that. And Delta, it's the only thing
being sold there. I get it.
(18:36):
I totally get it. It's what you have access to.
But if I came into a place whereall they serve is grain alcohol,
no beer, I'm going to find a bunch of Alcoholics.
I'm going to find a bunch of illpeople.
And there's not a just the extraction process alone makes
me worried that somebody is going to mess something up
(18:57):
because now you're changing the chemical makeup when you
introduce those things, you know?
Yeah, there are things that are introduced for cannabis.
That's why we call them dirty disties.
They're not the same as the plant.
I mean, it's it's not hard to figure out, but when you keep
the raw plant, if you go back tothe raw plant, what's the raw
(19:18):
plant? What's it coming from?
It's coming from hip, it's coming from CBD.
So there's a reason why that is not psychoactive.
There's a big reason why it's actually counterbalances a lot
of the times the psychoactive effects.
So I just find it funny that there it's it's like it's like
when people have a big problem with gummies looking too close
(19:38):
to like nerd ropes. Yeah, I agree.
I don't think you should be getting a 500 milligram single
edible. I don't think you should get
1000 milligram cookie. I think that's ridiculous.
I think it depends on dose. I think that needs to be
strictly on the medical side because.
That's hard to justify. It is, and there are very few
(19:59):
people who would actually need it because I I haven't told
anyone this, no. I have been lowering my dose on
edibles. I've actually noticed.
That because there was a time that I was working with my dad
and I had 250 milligrams and I stood up and I just felt really,
really weird and like headed andblood pressure.
(20:21):
And for me, I've not, I don't have that.
That doesn't happen. And I don't feel weird with
edibles usually. And I was only on 250
milligrams. So the next time I took 100 and
I was like, oh, hey. But now my problem is I can do
that at the beginning of the bag, but by the end of the fifth
time that I've used it, 100 milligrams won't do it.
(20:42):
My body like acclimates to that delta or hydroxy 11 hydroxy THC
so quick. Have you experimented with like
eating fats before you consume and seeing it?
That not particularly I. Elongate.
That sometimes I do it with like, oh, because.
You're so scaly. Yeah, I know.
The cannabis just goes to your system.
(21:02):
I don't even think you would test positive on a piss test.
I would just because it's. It's constantly the.
Metabolites. Yeah, like, and even though I
don't have many fat cells, there's probably still a handful
of them within my body and zerlobes.
Yeah, those 5 fat cells that andin my head, so those 5 fat
cells, basically, you know, theywould hold it for some amount of
(21:26):
time then. And there's never a day that I'm
not consuming, because there's never a day that I'm not hurting
so. It's been wonderful for me
during tapering off of testosterone.
Yeah, that's a whole other episode.
But anyways, yeah, I don't. Have to get into.
That it's been really good it's been by far one of the best ways
to help with the anxiety, the panic attacks yeah, and the
(21:48):
changing of your body regularly.But to pull it back to where we
were, the is, it's just, I understand.
I, I, and you brought up something that made me really
think about it. There are a lot of people that
make really good money for themselves and for other people
creating these types of productsperfectly fine.
I understand that. I think that's awesome that
you're, you're employing people.I know that you people aren't
(22:10):
nefarious. You saw an opportunity and went
for it. The only thing is, is that I see
Delta 8 products a lot like thisone product that came out a
little while, probably 10 years ago, maybe even longer.
But it was this little device that you could buy for your car.
And you know how windshield wiper blades are ever here,
you're going to get new ones. Yep.
(22:32):
Well, they have this cool littledevice where you just slid along
and it just cut off a strip of rubber.
Bing Omega, you have a new windshield wiper.
Oh my goodness. And a shit load of these sold.
Probably a lot of scratched windshields too from that.
Because you do know that that rubber is set to an exact height
(22:52):
so it doesn't scrape your windshield.
Yeah, right. So.
A bunch of people bought this and it destroyed their cars.
OK. Their windshields are all.
Just this is how I see Delta A. You're going to, something is
going to happen. Yeah.
And it probably already has people go, oh, yeah.
Well, that's happened on cannabis.
Yeah. When you take too much and you
didn't know what you were doing,hey, your body's going to act
(23:14):
differently. If you over drink water, you'll
drown. Would you buy something labeled
cow derived meat if it wasn't regulated by the FDA?
I don't. Know I've eaten food in Mexico
I. I mean, I know they be like, no,
we keep. It very clean.
No, no. But I mean.
Do you feel like it's Do you feel like delta 8 is solving
(23:37):
prohibition or is it like just replacing with a new?
It's causing a prohibition. Kind of risk.
It's causing a prohibition of cannabis in places where it
should be legalized. You know the the problem that it
comes with, it isn't necessarilyreligious overtones.
It's just cultural. It's fear.
It's cultural. That's been passed down 'cause
it's it's not when the. Turkeys used to use it.
(24:00):
Yeah, and you will be all darn. Perpetuated in in politics and
racist religion, which was like in in everything at a.
Time it was justified by using religion to make sure that it
can be outlawed. Yeah, going in.
Oh well, this is bad. You know, because, you know,
anybody with darker skin than white, well, they're obviously
evil. So I mean, I mean.
(24:20):
Religious Mormon. Prop, all of them did, a lot of
them, but they they propagated this entire thing and now what?
Now what? Now you've got people creating a
product that can be harmful, andit's not going to feel the same.
Yeah, and it's definitely not going to give you the same
medicinal properties. Same quality of experience.
(24:43):
There is no entourage effect when you have a super isolated
compound. It's like somebody telling me
there's really healthy alcohol. Yeah, somebody's going to tell
me, oh, you know, wine, If you drink of that, is it wine or is
it the properties and the grapes?
You're treat you're you're still.
It's a slippery slope either wayyou go.
Yeah, it really is. If you guys are in a state where
(25:05):
delta 8 and hemp are regulated like hemp products are all that
you have access to, drop it below.
Let us know where you guys are AT and how.
Your experiences. Are your senators on board with
legalizing stuff that is better for everyone?
All right, guys, take care.
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