The Great Prophet Ruth

In this unforgettable episode, Brandon and Jesse sit down with The Great Prophet Ruth — a self-aware, whip-smart, dark-humored goddess of chaos whose honesty hits harder than a dab rig on a Tuesday. What starts as a sesh turns into a masterclass on trauma, transformation, and terpene-driven self-discovery.

From “Don’t yuck someone’s yum” to “F**k it. Just do it,” Ruth drops truth bombs about navigating PTSD, emotional shields, childhood trauma, and the beautiful absurdity of life — all elevated by a solid sesh and zero pretense.

She’s raw. She’s real. She’s hilarious. And her weed journey is anything but ordinary.

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Episode Transcript

(00:02):
I'm Brandon. And I'm.
Jesse we're cannabis school having cannabis infused
conversations with everyday people, cannabis companies,
celebrities and your mom. Welcome to the sesh.
Oh yeah, so today we've got the great profit roof.
Yeah, we've been talking about this for a while, right?
Don't yuck someone's yums, you know, only put only to the first

(00:25):
knuckle. Only to the first knuckles.
That was that. What you.
That's one of your sayings. I thought, I'm sure I've said it
and probably stuck with Brandon for me and it's just some
fucking stupid thing. What off?
I'm just kidding fucking around,you know?
But I mean, that's you're, you're such a good sport.
I love it. Yeah, don't yuck somebody's Yum.
We have some short ideas that wecame up with too.
And there's some variations of Prophet Ruth and looks nothing

(00:49):
like Trump. Way better.
So yeah, but I just, we just love your surliness.
I mean, you just don't give a fuck.
And, and, you know, there needs to be more people out there
right now who give less fucks because it's, it's just, I don't
know, it's just so full of just nonsense.
I don't know how you feel about that.
I mean, honestly, I just try to keep myself because it's like,
it's not really my fucking business.

(01:10):
Yeah, I know. That's that's what's funny at.
The same time it's sometimes it's just hard as I'm more like
I, I don't want to say I'm sensitive, but I, I can be kind
of sensitive to other people's energy.
I'm just like, I don't want yourshitty energy up in my business.
Yeah. Yeah, shitty people are hard to
deal with sometimes and having them around all the time just
kind of need a break. Did you come up with the saying

(01:32):
don't yuck somebody's yums? Honest to God, I think I found
it like in some deep dark Tumblrblog years ago.
That makes sense, sorry this last rain is still like kind of
sitting in my eyes. Dude this is starting to kick in
pretty good. I like it a lot.
Waiting on it. It's pretty heady.
Yeah, it's very heady, but and the last one.

(01:54):
Was just like. Hit you with like a
sledgehammer. But like a very different kind
of heady. It was like made you stupid
heady. Yeah, you wanted to go to sleep
on that. I I definitely could have taken
a nap on it. And I feel fantastic.
You've had your medical card here for like almost a year, six
months. It's.
Actually, yeah, been a little over a year now.
Holy shit. Because I renewed it back in

(02:15):
like February. Yeah, you got yours for PTSD
though. Actually, they actually kind of
discouraged that, especially this year because it requires a
lot more paperwork. And when I was speaking with my
therapist, she is not the one that is prescribing for me or
anything. She cannot do that.
But she would have to be the oneto give me the PTSD diagnosis.
And because it's almost on a percase basis kind of for what I

(02:37):
understood when they were checking me in, they've said you
also had chronic pain markdown. So we want to move towards that
because it's an easier. Yeah, that's crazy.
It's yeah, it's kind of a stupidsystem because I feel like it
does help with some of my anxiety and stuff that I do have
from like I do have like PTSD around like relationship stuff,

(02:58):
some issues with that, but it really just helps like being
more chatty and everything. You feel like you have to kind
of shelter yourself away from other people, protect yourself.
You said something about energy earlier.
Yeah, it kind of feels like I have to have a different persona
to deal with. Yeah, you have to wear.
A mask when I'm elevated, it does feel a lot more easy to

(03:22):
break past that and just be morefriendly and more open.
I mean, it's way easier than trying to drink at work.
Yeah, because for some reason that's frowned upon.
And I mean, I don't know about you, but I make stupider
decisions when I drink. Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Yeah, even stupider. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. No, definitely.

(03:43):
There's definitely been. We're not.
I'm not going to bring that up. Yeah, we're going to continue to
something else. NDA.
Yeah, yeah. So you're talking about you had
traumatic and I don't go too farinto wherever you're
comfortable, but you know, thinking about it, it's super
common. But on the self medicating side,
have you figured out like what works for you really well at

(04:07):
what times? And have you had some pretty
negative experiences where you're like, fuck me?
I mean, in what way? Fuck me.
I don't want to be this high right now.
Oh. Yeah, definitely.
Like like fairly recently I had an issue with an edible that
kind of like I maybe didn't havelike the right cut on it or
something. It was the gummies.

(04:27):
Oh yeah. And like.
Which one was it? The red, the green or the
purple? It.
Was like the purple I want to say.
Yeah, OK. Because.
What happened? I was like, oh God, I actually
just took a whole edible. I'm like, it's fine, it's fine.
And then I think what set me spiralling was initially like, I
was like, Oh no, that was 1/2 of1.
Yeah, you thought too much aboutit.
Yeah. I I got in like a cycle of it
and I was like, Oh no. So when, when your body, your

(04:49):
body was already sensitive to the the feeling of of fear, like
fuck, what's gonna happen, right?
I mean, the worst case scenario,you wake up the next day, you
have an only fans account, maybesome money, right?
But but I, I. Never had that type of edible
experience well. They don't make that dose for
you, Sir. It's like, you know, like
everybody else has like a packetof gummy bears.

(05:11):
They have a big giant fucking cinnamon gummy bear.
You've seen this half. Full of THC.
Of concentrate comes out and it's just like a straight.
Oh yeah, it's like a. That's Brandon's yes for that.
Right. It's just like it looks like
Winnie the Pooh. Oh, Christopher Robin, thank you
for the hard day. I don't know.
So how long have you been on your journey now with cannabis?
Oh, like including recreationally?

(05:32):
Probably. What do you mean by
recreationally? I before it was legal in Utah
for medical. Did you just use it for just to
get high? That's.
How it started? OK.
And like, I feel like that's howa lot of people's journey with
cannabis can start, But I just found that it's easier to be my
more authentic self. It's I still almost kind of just

(05:54):
use it like an as needed, like medicine.
It's not like an all the time thing because I know that some
of my like shell was protected for me and it helps me get
things done. Oh, OK.
So are there certain strains that kind of help to build that
shelter in a way? Definitely like for more social
things obviously like more talkative sativas and stuff like

(06:15):
that, but I mean I do sometimes still have issues with sleeping
or like night terrors, so I do have like indicators.
Wow, have you found a specific strain that you like that works
for either one? Of my favorites, I think it's
actually a hybrid. It would be Blue Dream.
Like. Blue Dream also I cannot
remember the name of it. It's another blue.
Like it's like blue zittles I think.

(06:36):
Okay, that. One's very like sweet and it's
almost deserty. Yeah, the candy strains are
very, very sweet. Yeah, it's like glazed apricot
Gelato. Yeah.
And it's fresh. Oh my gosh, Yeah.
No, I that's really. That's cool.
So now you've gotten to the point where you know what
strains will do what. So you're not just going to take
a joint from somebody at somewhere and going.

(06:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'll puff on that. Or maybe you will if if the mood
strikes you. Yeah.
Probably. Also being cross faded is OK,
you do OK with that. It's a certain like I have to
be. There's a nice level.
Yeah, it's a level because aftera portion of employees suspends.
Yeah, it's usually like 1 drink or so and then some water and
you know, a bunch of smoking. Yeah.

(07:18):
Yeah, I mean, usually it's at our get togethers when all the
friends are hanging out and I'm sure she does it on other times
too. But it's it's very common that
we'll have like a drink, some ofus more than others.
And then, you know, the rest of us like to kind of smoke a lot.
So there there can be a nice balance, two way crossfade.

(07:39):
You just very much have to understand your relationship to
alcohol, cannabis and like find that fine line between them.
Yeah, no, I mean, that's, you know, I, I think you and I take
it for granted because of how many different strains we've
smoked and now how many different things.
But it's, it's really cool to hear from your perspective.
It's just like, hey, you know, Istarted out recreationally, but

(07:59):
I almost find it like a way of like it's I, I don't want to be
like hardcore nature guy, super granola, you're here.
But it's almost like it's pulling you towards it because
once you start like, I don't other than like your brother who
had a horrible first experience,Abby, when you you felt that you
were like, yeah, like it almost like an unintentional medicine

(08:20):
that just kind of got into your like, oh, yeah.
And medicine being like anxiety inducing.
You don't want to be able to open up with other people.
Yeah, well, and it's like, obviously being intoxicated with
alcohol can give you a similar thing, but I didn't feel like I
was as out of control when I'm elevated versus with alcohol,
where I just feel like everything is going wild, like
the world's spinning and everything is great, but it's

(08:41):
like, I'm not going to remember any of this and it's going to be
so hollow. Yeah, it doesn't have the same
connection versus you can, like you said, you can be your more
authentic self with cannabis because you can still let go of
the anxieties and the stresses that life and that brings along
with it and still allow that side of you to show forth
without, you know, not forgetting it.

(09:01):
I feel like I made way differentdecisions just because of that
difference and like way more. God, I don't know how.
How has cannabis changed? Like the way you talk to
yourself? It definitely has softened me in
a lot of ways. I mean, even Emily could
probably tell like a parable difference from when we first
met to now. And I think obviously the
relationship that grew there. But I've also feel like I've

(09:24):
changed as a person. Like even when I'm not elevated
or anything, I feel like I can make a more authentic
connection. I like to say that I think
you've grown a lot in the six years that I've known you 6.
Years. She's yeah, I know.
Well, when I think about it, I'mlike, oh, I've been with Emily
for six years. Like it's.

(09:45):
Collectively, we've had some experiences.
Yes, that's why I was like, OK, not going to that side of
drinking because holy shit, alcohol is.
I do it up everywhere and you. Know I saw this comedian he was
like, think about the worst experience you had on weed and
then it researched laughing theygo now talk about the worst

(10:05):
experience you had in alcohol. Yeah, which one was funny and
which one was horrible? Yeah, like even some of the
scarier like moments I've had where I've taken too much of an
edible or something, I still just look back and I'm like, in
the moment I was scared, but in reality I was like, what did I
do? I laid on my floor and I got a
little upset and I crawled undera blanket like.
Yeah, In reality, that moment you were truly safe, like you

(10:27):
were OK. But the like perception of that
moment is terrifying so much. It's like all of a sudden
someone can just hit you and youjust feel like, Oh my God,
something's wrong. But it's nothing is.
It's just for me it's like a self dispensing of if I'm
getting too comfortable something bad has to happen.
Oh wow. So you don't feel safe when
things feel OK? Yeah, it's just.

(10:48):
You grew up in a trauma environment.
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to like downplay like anything, but
it's like reality growing up forme wasn't physically bad.
Like there wasn't like physical abuse, but.
It doesn't have to be. Narcissism and stuff like that.
And it's like I, I still care about my parents, but it's a
kind of in a weird. My wife went through a very
similar thing with her father. So I totally get that because

(11:10):
it's that pain is so incredibly horrible.
It's undescribable to somebody else.
I mean, you can't describe it inphysical pain because it's
emotional abuse that was completely protected under the
guise of help or benevolence or being there for you and.

(11:30):
Going to therapy and learning some things, it's, I don't want
to blame them like entirely because they were raised.
Obviously they're not in a greatconductive environment either.
It's a generational thing. So it's kind of it's passed
down. But you want to break the cycle?
Yeah, that's cool. That's really, and that's hard.
It's really good. I've had to watch my wife deal
with that for many years now. When a lot of therapy and, you

(11:56):
know, it's I, I can only imaginehow that is.
So, yeah, you know, that's one of the things that my wife says
about cannabis is like when she does therapy, she uses an edible
because she can open up because she's so used to just keeping
everything here and guarded. And that's where the the tough
exterior comes from. Yeah, right.
But now that's that's really cool.

(12:18):
You know, I would say I've noticed a huge difference.
Yeah, in you it's. Like, I feel like we don't meet
you and I don't see each other as much as me and Brandon
because you don't always come toevery get together or whatever.
But yeah, that's kind of that's impressive to me in a way that
even somebody's kind of still more of a stranger.
Just noticed that over the years.
Well, I, I'm, I'm real. You know, I can notice a huge

(12:39):
difference in you now, Kapenra, when I first met you as
Wednesday Adams, where you had this dark cloud over you all the
time. And I could see why.
I could see why, because later on in the evening, you'd open
up. You were fucking funny as hell.

(13:00):
You were. You've got the same kind of dark
sense of humor that I do. So I'm like, like, that's funny,
right? And other people are like, Oh my
God, why would you say that? I'm just like, no, that's
hilarious, 'cause we, we find everything about life hilarious.
But it's just cool because you have a brightness about you
right now. I mean, I understand you, you,

(13:21):
you, you got, you got a guy. How's that going?
It's going great, honestly. Is he in cannabis too?
Unfortunately he can't. He has ACDL so he's yeah, he's
unable to partake. I don't think he even drink.
Did he drink OK? Just not.
Yeah. Yeah.
He wasn't straight laced. He just can't use cannabis
because of his job. Yeah.

(13:42):
It's like when you met him, we were, he's like, I don't want to
drink tonight because I have work tomorrow and I'm like.
That totally makes sense. Yeah, but we only met him.
Emily and I only met him the once so far, but.
He has a very. He's got a very unique schedule.
Yeah. Is he over the road?
No, he. Is he local?
He's local. Cool what company you work for?
I don't I. Don't think you want.

(14:03):
To be yeah, that's fine, but it's a local trucking company
it's. Not local, it's a national
company, but it's like a local. We could cut it out.
No, no, we're not going to say anything.
No, no need. Yeah, the that's.
Yeah, it is because I've got a friend who owns one and his
brother who's like my brother, He, he recently died from

(14:23):
alcoholism. The guy was he, he was really
bad, Really, really bad. But yeah, that I understand the
chaotic schedule of a of a localtrucker compared to an over the
road, 'cause if it's over the road, it's pretty set schedule,
yeah. It's like I think one of my like
coworkers brother says it's like2 weeks on two weeks off.
Yeah, it's, it's really, it's just living on the road like,

(14:46):
and well, but I mean, there's a lot of really cool options too.
Because if, if she's like, hey, I want to go with you, he's
like, yeah, jump in my cab. Like I got a bed.
I got all sorts of shit. And you know, it'd be fun like
every once in awhile to do that.But if it's a local, it's not
that way. He's just like just moving
freight. He he could if he wanted to

(15:08):
eventually move to like long haul, but right now he's not
like he's. Union.
Yeah, he's. Unions.
He's not high on the board yet, but he's like, I've thought
about it, 'cause I do get paid more, obviously.
Oh yeah, this is local. And he's like, I've thought
about it, but I'm not like committed to it yet.
No, but it's cool. I mean, it's great that he has
that cause like, you know, a lotof people are like, I don't know

(15:30):
what to do. You know, my, my tech job
disappeared. Like, hey, look, freight's still
moving. Yeah.
Well, it's, I mean, I couldn't do it.
It's a brutal job. Oh, when I was a kid, I used to
work at that guy's trucking yard.
Every sad all weekend, Yeah. Friday and Saturday I clean the
trucks, but the cabs were disgusting because these

(15:54):
truckers would just piss directly into the seat.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because they got to hit their time.
If they hit their time, they gettheir bonus.
So these guys are doing meth on the road.
I mean, yeah. Oh dude, it's.
Holy shit. Yeah, because they got to stay
up, they got to move, I mean. It's definitely been cracked
down on in more recent years. Yes, but back in the day, man,
like when I was a kid, it was gross.

(16:16):
And then these couples, there's these giant couples that look
like South Park characters and that whole cab just, oh, dude, I
brought in Scott and I'm like, dude, he goes, Oh my God, I have
to replace the seats. That's so gross.
But it was that bad. And he was like, hey, you guys
destroyed these seats. I'm taking that money out of

(16:37):
your check. Oh.
So unfortunately, like I still feel like that's a bad
stereotype that happens, but it's like I feel like most
people are just trying to make amake a living now.
Yeah. Because I see a lot in my line
of work. I do work in finance, I see a
lot of like people in trucking salary.
I'm like, wow, did I really makethe right choice with my life?
Yeah, I know, right. But you make, I mean, you make

(16:57):
good money and why not? Why not be on time?
Now they've put a lot of roadblocks and laws in there to
keep them from being able to hitthose markers.
So they have to get more regulated.
But still, it's, it's a tough job, man.
I I couldn't, you definitely couldn't with your.
Back, no. And they, like, restrict
cannabis. So there's no way, yeah, I would

(17:18):
never even apply for anything like that.
Yeah, just to be respectful. Like I don't really smoke around
him or anything cuz he's like he's not paranoid about it but
it's like I am cuz I think I would lose his whole livelihood
if like somehow he popped for anything on like a test or
anything. That's OK, Yeah.
And they test him pretty regularly.
Yeah. So do you have like a sesh
ritual or are you more of like achaotic?

(17:39):
I want chaos. Just whenever.
Chaos. Yeah, like that's why I like
vape so much. I'm terrible.
I'd be like, OK, grocery store time, like it's quick, all
right, got to. Go oh, it's so convenient, like
The Dirty carts, like they're soterrible, but at the same time,
when I'm like, all right, I've got to go.
I've just I'm just going to do this real fast and run out the

(18:00):
door and that's it. It's the convenience thing of
like instead of I'm going to load a ball, I'm going to go
Outback, I'm going to smoke it, I'm going to chill for, you
know, however long will I do that takes way too much time
like. If I'm like going to, if I'm
just going to have a chill nightin, I'll get like a vape up like
the big old fancy ones and I'll just sit there and like slowly

(18:22):
puff on it instead of chaos. But chaos is how I live my
day-to-day life. I mean, I think many of us live
a very chaotic structure, so. Yeah, but I enjoy that chaos.
Like if it's yeah, if it's too predictable, I just get really,
really just passive and I don't want to do anything.
Yeah, I can. I can feel, I feel a lot and

(18:43):
understand that like, but at thesame time I'm like, you can't
run on like adrenaline all the time.
It's just not good for. You no, no, not necessarily
that, but it's like it's like inin work and anything you do, I
mean, if it, if it's something that can, if you're a person
that needs variety and you thrive in that area, great, then
that should be your focus. If you can just sit there and

(19:04):
focus on the task and get it done.
Dang, you know, man, my hat's off to you because that's not
me, but it that's, it's knowing who you are.
And that's what I've learned through cannabis because I used
to be more of like, I could do everything.
Yeah. And now I'm just like bro, chill
out. What the fuck bro?
Just one or two things. One or two.
Things, yeah, I kind of, I kind of choose to like, I want to say

(19:26):
like split my time by split my time between those two.
It's like I can be really lockedin.
Yeah. At work, like I'm very
professional. I do my best I can.
But then after work, I'm like, no, no, I'm going to be the like
the stereotypical center. I'm just going to sit there and
be like, yeah, this is a really nice painting.
Like I'm just going to enjoy themoment.
Is that what created your littleEtsy shop with all your shirts

(19:47):
and stuff was just being incredibly high and.
Kind of some of it, some of it'svery like black metal inspired,
which is gonna sound kind of weird.
Joy. In black metal and it's just
very guttural and primal and it's just like mayhem.
I'm not sure if you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm huge in the metal. Music and it just is feeling and

(20:10):
sometimes you just need that anger or like that happiness or
something like that from like different music.
Yeah, I, I honestly like, that'sprobably the most calming music
to me because I relate to the feeling because it's not like I,
I love how like even my dad whenI was younger, long time ago in
the 80s, my dad was mad at me because I was listening to
Metallica on a cassette tape because he worked at the state

(20:33):
hospital and there was a patientwho was crazy as fuck.
And he listened to Metallica. He listened to Metallica.
So my dad and his immigrant mind, he's like, hey, this is
bad. We're going to have this in the
house. This is corrupt your soul.
I bet the song just made him nauseous.
I mean, it was like fade to black.
I mean, it's not, it's not this like crazy hard person, right?

(20:56):
Like a free range child with me is like, my parents did not
review my music choices and all they're like, well, we bought
your first perennial advisory CD, an American idiot.
Like whatever, it's fine. That's not that bad.
Your parents bought it for you. Oh, yeah.
Like, my parents, unfortunately,are very surface level aware of
a lot of things. Yeah.
And it's like they want to be the best people they can be, but

(21:18):
they're just like, all right. Like, I guess.
Like, I don't agree with these like, stupid punk kids singing
this, but whatever. My parents are like, at this
point in their 50s when I'm like15, Yeah.
So they have this very like pastgenerational mindset of just
like what else she'll grow out of.
It so they're disconnected. Oh yeah, completely.
Yeah. Did your parents listen like

(21:39):
check out your music most of thetime or like.
Only if they heard. I mean when it's when I was like
from 8:00 until 10. My I don't remember my parents
ever checking going through my music.
Which is hilarious in your. Because my parents and I had.
So funny I had like Auschwitz over there.
Like with content. What's weird, So what's really

(22:01):
weird is because I feel like my parents are so much older than
like my, our average generation's parents, right?
They were worried about music, like me listening to 9 Inch
Nails, which just made me. Listen to them anyways like.
Because my mom's like, I hate 9 Inch Nails.
They're the most depressing music I've ever heard.
I don't know. Because like my cousin who's
like 10 years older than me, like went hardcore to 9 inch

(22:22):
nails and he was like time appropriate for it.
So she's like. She's stuck like 10 years
behind. Yeah, so.
Like she was worried about things that were.
Already in the yeah. Like that's how I got so free
range with the Internet. Like God damn like the early
Internet. Oh man, Nope.
Not child friendly. We had filters on everything.
It was like, oh, you searched for car?

(22:44):
I better type in this password because the Internet's blocked,
right? Yeah, it was terrible.
So that's, that's funny though. Very hands off as far as any of
that. So it's like they're like, I'm
like, I don't know what the fucklike could have happened to me
if I wasn't smarter like. Do you think cannabis has
changed your relationship with your parents at all?
Yes and no. The problem with my parents is,

(23:07):
again, they're very conservative, very like old
fashioned. They are like so against
cannabis. But the problem with there's a
little bit of hypocrisy there with my mom.
My older brother has a medical card.
I found out and she's like, but like she supports him, but then
she'll like turn to me and be like, I can't believe they're
legalizing this. So like all these things, I'm

(23:28):
like, what does it? Hurt you like does it?
Do and then you're like, I'm like clearly you're supportive
of one person in your family doing it, but not you're telling
me you hate it. So I'm like OK, you obviously
hate it. You just don't want to talk shit
on. Yeah, that's really interesting
it. I feel like many parents
probably have double standards and certain aspects that they

(23:48):
might not even realize. Well, especially that culture,
that time period, these people were more of here's what the,
the, this is what the televisionis telling us.
And we always listen to the glowing box.
Yeah, yeah. You know, everybody.
I mean, it was a sacred thing. You didn't have many channels.
Well, because that's what the special book said is the glowing

(24:10):
box is what God speaks to you from.
Well, but on that, it's just like, you know, I, I grew up
during a time where I had like there were six channels on the
TV, right? I'm almost 50.
And so it's, I'm not almost my wife would be very mad if I said
this 46, I'm 40 years away and it's going faster.

(24:31):
But during that time, it wasn't like you could just watch it
like it is now. Oh.
Yeah, well, even my generation, if you didn't have cable, you
had what? 13, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, it was.
Like if you got. A.
Good. And the WB kind of came in.
Mine was. My first introduction to South
Park was actually on some like Iwant to say it was almost like a

(24:55):
bootleg channel. Oh, I could.
Barely pick it up and be like turn the anti.
That's hilarious and. That was like my first
introduction to South Park. My first introduction to South
Park, I was in the Navy and theywere watching it on TV and
they're like, look at this stupid cartoons and everybody
was laughing and they're just like, that was a long ass time,

(25:15):
dude. Mine was I was being
homeschooled because I got kicked out of temp you for not
going to class and my mom was down the hall on the other end
of the house in the office and she always wears slippers
because she's always cold. So you can always hear her
walking down the hall. So since my school was on DVDs

(25:35):
and they would mail him out every week, I would switch
inputs when she was down the hall.
I would watch MTV. I would watch South Park or
whatever was on it's. Insane to me that you should
just be able to DVD school. You're like, all right, here's
your DVD for the day. Yep, click, click, click and I
watch it and I was like, OK, send in these homework and these
tests. OK cool.
Yep you did your school like so my mom would be down at the

(25:57):
other end doing work and office stuff and I'd just switch inputs
and watch music videos and. Thing because if like I did that
I wouldn't be able to read like that.
If educational sort of stuff, I have to lock in and be like,
this is hardcore. Everything I have to memorize.
But see, I I had already like atthat stage I was having to teach

(26:17):
myself math because the school Iwent to didn't have anyone above
Algebra 2 like and so I was my own math teacher from then on.
Like there was things I learned to read way above my reading
level long before high school. So high school came and I was
sophomore. I was reading easy college level
like no problem. Unfortunately, reading at a
college level in like 13 did nottake me anywhere as far as I

(26:40):
would hoped it would. Have.
Oh, probably not. Yeah, it's no, it doesn't.
Doesn't translate. Look.
What I read. You're like, look, I can read.
OK, that's cool. That's great.
Yep, I know you're like, oh I can.
I got into speed reading and like 8th and 9th grade and stuff

(27:01):
and I. Learned to read like so later
than all of my peers and then once I got it I just like ran
with. It.
Yeah, me too. I were.
Reading like Chronicles of Narnia in like second grade
whole thing. Yeah, my second grade book
report was I don't, I don't remember if it was either Black
Beauty or Gone With the Wind. It was one of those 2 was my

(27:21):
second grade book report. Was that like a required across
the class? Like, no, that was what I was
reading because I read, I, my mom taught me how to read before
I wasn't even in kindergarten. So we went in and I was reading
way above there. And when I was little, the five,
me and my four siblings, we read5000 books in one summer between

(27:43):
US. And so it was in the newspaper
or whatever it was like, look atthis.
And I'm like. Brandon's been achieving fame.
No, my parents have just been like pushing us to just always
be doing something. And we had to read 30 minutes
every day. And if we were bored and we're
too much of a pain, it was like,sit down and read.
Go read a book like. But this is like versus my

(28:04):
parents really like, oh, you canread.
That's cool. Like you figured that out.
Good job. Yeah, I think it's 'cause so his
wife and like my grandma, she was very much about education.
So was her dad, so was my mom. So it was very much like, Oh no,
you need to be very, very educated, very like, very smart
in what you do. And and I'm like.

(28:27):
Don't take you places. Don't see the same value in
education that they definitely did that.
Was my grandfather, but like my parents were just like, she'll
figure it out if she want like. Were they the same way with your
other siblings? Well, my mom was a single mom
and that she met my dad later. Obviously I came on, but I don't
know, like I don't really like she doesn't talk about anything
like in that part of her life atall.

(28:48):
Wow. Like she, just like here's your
brother. I divorced his father.
And that must have been a traumatic time.
Yeah, I don't know what happenedand that's.
She'll never open up about it. Yeah, well, it's like I try to
give her some leniency there because.
I mean, we still make our own choices, right?
And it's not fair to you. I mean, it's like my dad, you

(29:08):
know, he will never say it, but he was abusive to me more on the
physical side growing up. But that's the way he was
raised. Yeah.
Like, you know, they would laughabout it.
Him and his brothers and I wouldlisten to their stories of how
Grandma would kick the shit out of them with anything she could
get. A pan, a fucking coat hanger, a

(29:28):
whip. Like she beat the shit out of
them. She was no taller than this
doctor Deborah Switch. She was tiny.
And these five boys were terrified of her.
Well. It's like I feel like that is
for me because I'm I feel like our parents are probably closer
in generation. Oh yeah.
Other people in our peer group, I feel like I'm the generation

(29:51):
that got whipped and beat and stuff is my parents and then I'm
the next like almost like a Gen.X kind of style of.
Oh, yeah, yeah, you were. You're definitely.
I mean, you, you've been conducted and baptized.
No, but I mean definitely. What it equates to is getting
beat really good. Yeah, pretty much.
I mean, like, yeah, latchkey kid.
Latchkey kid. Yeah, I, my parents both worked

(30:13):
and we during the summertime, wewere left to ourselves.
But we, we took care of ourselves.
We cooked, we cleaned, we made sure chores were done.
The long got mode like everything was done.
Our parents never had to ask. It was because we were left to
be independent. And it was such a good thing.

(30:34):
But the problem was is that my parents, your parents, they
didn't emotionally know how to connect with us because they
were brought up with sociopaths that got from the war era.
So they were just all about likework hard, get a lot of money
'cause they right after World War 2, everything.
Have you met my dad? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

(30:56):
But I mean, it's, it's the but that's being raised that way.
I think the only difference is Ididn't have a latch key.
Mine were like hyper crazy strict.
Oh yeah. Past that I got the abuse.
That was great So. Weird though 'cause it's like my
mother when I like, hit middle school.
She's like, you're going to be dropped off and picked up,
there's no in between for you. Yep, she went insane about that.

(31:18):
Interesting. But once I was in the confines
of four walls, she didn't give ashit.
Like she's like, she's at the sitter's now and they'll take
care of her pretty much. She's in a box.
She's safe. Oh yeah.
Like she's pretty much like she has the doors lock.
She's fine. Like, I'm just like a pet dog,
like, like. She'll be fine.
She's yeah, video games like. That's a toilet.
There's some snacks in the corner, like we put down toilet

(31:39):
paper or newspaper. Dude, real quick, you should
shorten her mic, OK? She's she's happy.
She's speaking to you. Yeah, so I want to make sure
that because I I couldn't, I couldn't hear a little bit.
No, no, I just, I'm thinking in post for him.
That seems fine. Oh, perfect.
Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

(32:01):
perfect. It was just a little too high.
Did you feel was a little littleup here?
Yeah. It's so much better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll hear.
Yeah, like just free range parenting, that's what it is
like yeah, my free ranging was more like we gave you an N64.
You're you're good, right. Like Yep, plug that in, put on
channel like 32. Good.
OK, I'm gonna go to work now. Don't let the house burn down.

(32:24):
Don't open the door, don't answer any phone calls.
Don't let the house burn down. You know where the fire
extinguishers are. You know how to die 911.
You know your grandparents phonenumber?
Yeah, don't call me unless you're really.
Bleeding. Yeah.
Unless you are throwing up or bleeding, do not call me.
Yeah. And if you call, it'd be my mom
was like a medical transcriptionist at the time,
and it just sounded like rain ona tin roof.
She's like, and she's talking tome while still typing.

(32:46):
And I'm like, that's insane. But I'm like, mom, she goes, why
are you calling me? And I'm like turned.
Into that with like, my parents call me.
I'm like hello. OK yeah, yeah, I'll be down.
Sure. Yeah, yeah.
KK bye. Bye click and I don't break
contact with whatever I'm doing once.
Yeah, sometimes I'm like, I'm not an I'm editing usually, I

(33:10):
hate to say it, it's usually my dad, but it's because he's it's
not an emergency. So I feel.
Like they've turned like for me,my parents have gotten more
needy as I've gotten older. Not in like a physical way, but
in like the like emotionally like my.
Validation. Yeah, and I'm like, what the
fuck? Where was this when I was like
13 and going through? It Oh yeah, my dad has amnesia.

(33:30):
My my brother was like, he's like, yeah, you don't remember
that time when he was on top of you fucking punching you and
shit and I was trying to, I was hitting him to get off of you.
He's like, what was that over? I'm like, yeah, I didn't wash
his truck when he told me to, you know, it was I I was playing
Nintendo and he's like, what thefuck are you?
I mean, my dad never swore. It was super funny.

(33:51):
He never swore in English. He he wouldn't even swear in
Spanish. When I started swearing in
Spanish, he lost his shit on me.He's like, we don't wanna say
that in this house and he's still like that.
Like he'll say bastard if he's really mad.
I'm like, whoa, language, 'causemy brother and I are former
military and everything's fuck this and fuck that and he just

(34:12):
sits around. He's like 1.
Of my earliest like memories I have is like of being loosely
babysat. In other words like there's an
adult in the area by my uncle and I would just sit on like the
pipe where he would like he saidit was at my grandparents house
and they lived super close to ussitting on the pipe of their
irrigation while he's working onhis like army truck that he got

(34:33):
like as he got out of the military and he like had the
hood come down on him. He just screams.
Fuck. And my mom's like, what?
And he's like, you didn't hear that?
Just like completely denies it. And he's like, don't ever repeat
that to me on like the pipe and she but.
You couldn't forget that word. No, it just.
Dwelled. There.
Yeah, it did. I I was like that too.
My mom's like, yeah, you had a mouth on you even since you were

(34:56):
little. She you'd be running.
My mouth like so much to myself because my mom like just my
grandma was like, that's not lady like even though she'd be
like God damn idiots. God damn this God damn your
brother. Father.
Like her little little mutteringas she would like just I would.
And she's from the, like, old racist era.
Well, like, that's the thing. It's like I feel like, like my
grandmother. I'm good.

(35:17):
Would love to, like, bless her soul, she would thrive in today
'cause like, I really don't think she ever wanted to be
married or any of that. Yeah.
It's just that was kind of a lifestyle that it was back then.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's that's what you did.
My grandpa told me not to get married.
He told me lick it as much butter off as much bread as you
can, don't get married. And that was like grandma.
'S advice to me she was like youwant to know the best advice in

(35:38):
life? Don't ever get married if you
don't have to. And I'm like damn.
Grandma like looking back I'm like.
That sucks they just got marriedto get married.
Like, and the thing was you wantto know his qualifications.
It's kind of really sad. It's he just not wasn't abusive.
Like he drank and he gambled, but he wasn't abusive.
Hey, maybe at that time I know you stayed up.
Yeah, Yeah. That's.

(35:59):
Crazy. Well, that's when like, you
know, it's like, you ever heard about what the rule of thumb is?
The rule of thumb was is that a man could not beat his wife.
With a stick lighter than his thumb?
Yep. Yeah, that's the yeah.
And it's just like, that's how how?
That's what it meant, yeah. Like really fucked up, right?
But it it just goes with those times and they just evolved the

(36:22):
last. Time I I had some like weird
abdominal pain. I was like, fuck, this is my
appendix. Like I just know it is and like
it's lower right hand quadrant. This is my appendix.
I got my ER. And so I go there and they're
like, are you able to walk? I'm like, yeah, this is this is
only like an 8 out of five, like8 out of 10.
I mean like they're like, oh, doyou need a wheel trim?
I'm like, no, I can walk. They're like, oh.

(36:43):
Fuck, what did it end up being? Ended up being they don't know
and that's how Timmy tumor arrived.
Yeah, she named her tumor. You got a tumor.
I have Timmy tumor. On my liver mind you, that's not
the area that hurt at all. It was like down low where your
appendix starts to hurt from. Yeah, you, you sound like me
too. A little bit of a hypochondriac

(37:04):
when something starts going likesomeone coughs around you.
Yeah. It's like you no, no, no.
It's like you can like cough on me, whatever.
I'm I'm an idiot and I was unknowingly exposed to like 40
different people of COVID somehow never caught.
It Yeah, We were like, throwing stuff at her, licking her, like
they made me lick the ground. Yeah, like she didn't catch no
matter what. This is why I don't come to

(37:25):
these parties, but. Like I messed up and I'm like oh
fuck, I'm gonna get it this time.
I'm gonna be working from home. It's gonna, it's gonna suck
'cause I'm like living in my parents basement, like.
Yeah, pre Manifest Destiny, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, I have to just
stay healthy and somehow, someway never caught it.
But now it's like you can like, like internal pain, though.
Oh my God. I'm like, it's an organ.

(37:46):
This is it. Like my spleen ruptured or
something. I'm like, well, I better call,
like call somebody to come get me.
That way they find my dead body like.
Yeah, I I do that my. Butt I left the key under the
mat. Legit, like I actually got
violently I'll like recently andI just like I left a key under
the mat. Like can you check on me before
you go to work and my boyfriend shows up, He's like, are you OK?

(38:08):
I'm like, yeah, I just don't feel very good.
He's like, are you gonna be OK to nigo the doctor?
I'm like, no, we're, we're good like.
Oh man, yeah, if it's my time, it's my time, right?
I'm like, don't pay for anythingother than a direct cremation
and put me in a Folger's can. Right.
I'm like don't even bother with that just get like a giant

(38:29):
slingshot on Amazon for 100 bucks and like throw me into the
ocean dude. I hook it up to some 2 truck
beds. Yeah exactly.
Shoot me at like some building of some shitty company or
something. Make sure I'm Naked so I flop
against the window. Dude, I'll just tell my wife
because the Navy will pay for myfuneral.
Yeah. Really.

(38:49):
Yeah. And I could do burial at sea.
They'll take my ashes out there.And they put you in an ammo box.
That's cool. They drop you in the ocean.
I'm like, I've. I've attended many of those
funerals. I say my my grandpa had a Navy
funeral and it was mostly like there was some extra stuff that
people got, but it was mostly paid for by the Navy.
Yeah, they'll pay for the cremation and all.
That crazy. Do you think they paid for not

(39:10):
the Navy? Do you think they paid for a lot
of grandpas then? I mean, yeah, and.
Like you get like the 21 gun salute and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, you get, You get like the old like.
One of the shells from grandpa's.
Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, from the M fourteens,
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get that. Yeah.
So you just have to contact the VA and say, hey, you know, this

(39:32):
guy kicked it 'cause. I just knew they came and did
like the flag and the 21 gun salute but 'cause they did that
in my other grandpa's too. They did that?
Yeah, they did that for Grandpa,didn't they?
Who did they get who got it? Who got what the?
Flag. I don't honestly know the.
Oldest sibling. Yeah, but the problem is the
oldest sibling wasn't, he didn'tshow up and he got absolutely

(39:54):
nothing. So see, we I don't know who took
the. Probably Leticia.
In my family, the oldest surviving sibling couldn't make
it and then the next one was in the hospital at the time, so my
mom took the flag. Yeah, that makes sense.
So it's like, I think she's like, if anybody wants it, you
can have it like. Yeah, nobody's going to be like,
OK, I know. Just one, just one.

(40:15):
No though. Yeah, it's, it's quite
interesting. Do you have another great
prophet, Ruth, saying that everyone should write down that
we just haven't Oh fuck it, intoour way.
Oh fuck it, just do it. That's a good line.
That's like my motivational phrase when I'm just laying.
But I'm like, I don't want to dothis.
I don't want to do that. I'm like fuck it, just do it.
All right, fuck it, just do it. That'll be like the great

(40:37):
Prophet Ruth shirts. Fuck it, just do it and don't
yuck. Somebody's young.
No, I could see that. It's all going to be lined up on
one side. It says fuck it, just do it.
And then on the back it's going to be a list of things.
Do I like, like the stuck in? I'm like, just do it.
I just have the Shia LaBeouf, like, yeah, he's my little inner
motivation. Dude, that's something to do.
We just have to take her head and put it on Shia Labeoux like

(40:58):
some weird. That'd be awesome.
Oh yeah? Well, it.
Matched his vibe, all sorts of shit that'll.
Be great. He's a strange dude.
Yeah. He's such a crazy method actor.
Have you ever seen the movie Fury?
A World War 2 movie? So he got ready for that one.
He pulled the tooth out because he felt like his character had a

(41:20):
missing tube and didn't shower for eight months during filming
because he wanted to be in character the entire time.
And Jon Bernthal, he was like, that guy was just weird.
He's just trying to show everybody that he's like,
because he's stunk. Oh yeah.
Really bad. Eight months.
Well, it's like, what's his name?

(41:41):
Johnny Depp. On every single one of the
Pirates of the Caribbean. He would not shower.
Like have you seen a Swiss army man?
Yeah, no. What?
It's a Harry Potter. Harry Potter, like, I don't want
to spoil it, but it's really weird.
It's great. He had like a fake body dummy
for like essentially like some stunts because I can't spoil it
in any way. OK, we should watch that.

(42:02):
But he was like insisting they're like, oh, we have a
dummy for you so you don't have to be in all these shots.
And he's like, no, I will be strapped to this man's back the
entire time. The only time I think they let
them him use like the mannequin which I feel bad for the other
actor but like was when like they're like it's too heavy to
do it safely. Yeah, it's, it's pretty funny.
Like did you guys? Watch Everything Everywhere all

(42:23):
at once. Yeah, I've seen that.
Oh, once, yeah. But I think I need to get really
high and watch it again. I.
Yeah, I need to too. Yeah.
Oh, that's a permanent chimera type of.
Oh yeah, you would disappear. I'm a hand's labyrinth.
Yeah, on. The whole feeling scale I'm.
Like that's the. 1. With the creepy white hand guy.

(42:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I like was a little little high.
Yeah. And I thought it was going to be
like a cutesy fairy. Tale, 'cause it was.
Kind of released the second like.
He takes. That wine ball and just I was
like. Yeah, it was when Emily showed

(43:05):
that to me. It was definitely a surprise.
I don't think it was what I expected, that's for sure.
Yeah, that is Guillermo del Torois very dark it.
It dark and also he has some of the most beautiful composition.
Yeah, like do you ever see that one where there's the?
Music scoring. No, no, no, no, There's another.
Composition. Okay, how?

(43:27):
It's all stylized. Yeah, it's.
Like looking at a painting for the stills.
Yeah, and he's got a big thing with vaginas.
Yeah, a lot. Of vaginal what a phallic shape
so. Totally.
He he had, he did a movie where it was this.
It's like the FBI had like. You know, shape.
Of water, shape of water. Thank you, We went to go see
Shape of Water. We did not know about the scene.

(43:48):
Yeah. And it's like, oh, oh, this is
an awkward movie. This is like watching a movie
with mom and dad. It's a weird show.
It's I love it. It's beautiful.
It's crazy. It's.
Fucking weird though. I saw it once with Emily.
But it's like if you want to watch more of it, like the first
Hellboy. Even golden army.
I think Golden Army is stylized more del Toro.
Oh, big time where? You have like the I think it's

(44:10):
Mingiola is his name. The comics, they're very
different, but it's still, it's like the same vibe but two
different like filters put. On it.
Oh yeah, you go back even further to like Blade 2.
I never actually read those Dude, Blade was cool.
Blade 2 was total. There was like the best blades
out of all those movies because Guillermo did that one and his

(44:33):
he's just got a very unique kindof darkness.
It's kind of like the same thingwith Ridley Scott with the
Aliens. Aliens.
Oh, I love aliens. Oh yeah, Covenant.
I like the first one. I didn't like the second.
I liked Prometheus. Yeah, Prometheus.
Beautifully, but it's these likethe actors are so stupid to me.
Like I get it, they were given like the script.

(44:54):
They have to follow that. But I'm like, dude, you're
taking your helmet off on an unknown alien planet.
Like, yeah, your scans initiallyconfirmed it's OK, but I'm like,
what if it wasn't? Yeah, like you'd never take your
helmet off. I'm like it is the most like
beautiful looking movie 'cause it has all those gigger
influences. In the Aliens.
I'm like fuck it, as stupid as asci-fi movie.
Yeah, but I mean, Michael Fassbender was awesome as the

(45:17):
the Android. Oh, he's.
So fucking creepy. Yeah, he is creepy.
Like the first aliens, I can't remember the android's name, the
character. Yeah, the very first one.
Alien. The very first.
One in 1979. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know who
you're talking about. But like he gives.
The He was the guy who was BilboBaggins.
Oh yeah. That's right.
But yeah, like it's the same exact vibe of just like human

(45:39):
enough but unnerving. Yeah.
And like, that takes kind of some creepy acting.
It's like, what is his name? Hannibal Lecter.
Oh, from the series? No, no, no.
From the. Lambs.
Oh yeah, Anthony Hopkins. Yeah, he can get real creepy
real fast. He plays.
Yeah, and Steve Carell too. Watch the movie.

(46:00):
Called Creepy. Yeah, watch the movie
Foxcatcher. True story about the heir to the
DuPont fortune. He was all about wrestling.
What's DuPont? Why is that so familiar?
The oil. Company isn't it oil company
turn that they sell chemicals, paint, all sorts of they're
massive company. DuPont created napalm for the
military. Oh, so yeah, they they produce a

(46:23):
lot of horrible things. Yeah, pesticides, tons of stuff
like that massive company, multimulti generational.
But yeah, I lost my train. Of thought.
Sorry. Yeah, you know.
We're talking about, like, how unnerving Steve Carell could be.
Yeah, but he is like the the makeup they do on him and he is
psychotic and he's like he he's trying to find like he wants to

(46:45):
create Olympic wrestler and he finds these two guys actual
wrestlers. He's going to end the whole
story about how he's just so hyper fixated on him about
winning that he ends up killing one of them because he was.
He's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
He's like, Nope bro. But he is really creepy in that
movie. The guy that made Spruce Goose

(47:06):
and all that stuff in Vegas he owned like the casinos.
Leonardo DiCaprio did like a autobiography movie of his.
Oh, the aviator. Yeah, I'm like, God damn, this
is like, this has got to be exaggerated for Hollywood now.
It went crazy. Absolutely bonkers.
Yeah, he he was so intelligent. Kind of reminds me of Elon Musk
where he's just super wealthy. He was an eccentric builder.

(47:31):
I mean, the Spruce Goose was supposed to be the largest plane
to be able. It was like a water plane.
I was. Supposed to.
I think it was amphibious landing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He.
Just went off the rails and he ended up like locked up in what
is the casino. He locked up 'cause he bought
the whole place out. He locked himself in the
penthouse and just went psycho. He would like put like tissue
boxes on his feet and shit 'cause he was so scared of germs

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towards the end. What?
Oh yeah, I don't remember that. I I went to the mob museum and
like they had like a whole section on how like the mob was
involved with Vegas being. Oh, yeah, like the Sands and
this like that. You watch there's I mean, it's
it's a dramatized timepiece, butcalled Casino, Robert De Niro

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and Joe Pesci and Sharon Stone. And it was, it's about like how
Vegas was built and how they built like these real
characters, real people in that time and how the mob just came
in there. And just like any competition,
they just kill him. And it was all from like New
Jersey, New York. They just can't put money out
there 'cause they're like, oh, and they had Mormons.

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They're the. Mormon ports the old Mormon Fort
if you played Fallout New Vegas.Yeah, yeah.
I think his name's Gannon. You find him at the old Mormon
Fort. Like there's a lot of very
historical things that they lifted straight out of, like
obviously Nevada, yeah, in like Good Springs.
I've been to Good Springs now and it's just like, I'm like,
yeah, I can see where they got all their inspiration from, like

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directly. So I'm like, I'm super excited
for the next season of Fallout coming out too.
I am too. I was surprised how much I liked
that show. Have you never played Fallout?
Have. You I have not all the way
through which one? Fallout 4.
OK, that's not my favorite. No, there was a new.
Vegas Peak. Yeah, but New Vegas I couldn't
find on PS5 I think it was. You have my PC?

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You can get it, I think, if you have the premium.
The premium, yeah, 'cause it's not you can't buy it to
download, it's like. You can only stream it.
Stream it if you pay for their top tier.
Service I agree 'cause it has a rich deep story, goes closer to
like the old fallout. Well, it has like, it's like,
has such a deep story, yeah, butat the same time it's goofy as

(49:40):
fuck. Oh, have you ever played the the
original Fallouts? The top down.
They are brutal though. The one is called Brotherhood of
Steel. That one was awesome because
they actually had some like really good voice actors, But it
was it's what like the movie, the the show that reminds me of
that. Oh yeah.
Because it's so in depth about the culture instead of just

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running out because Ford. I agree.
Ford feels like just like a first person shooter.
It's a really good first person shooter, yeah, but it's not.
It's not fallout. Yeah, like lore, deep in story.
New Vegas and three, they the shooter sucks.
Like the shooting part. I'm like this is awful but like
the story. Is good.
Oh yeah, that's the part that's that's the hard thing to come

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across. Now Brandon and I talk about is
a story. Driven game A good story driven
game. Yeah, like, I mean, Ghost to
Shishima was like the last one was like a really good story
driven action game. I was like, yeah, it's good,
it's fine. It was super.
Crazy long. Though, no.
It was short lived and it was like, OK, now what?
Are you an RP RPG nerd? Kind of like I don't like

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definitely video games. I've never been able to get to
like tabletop stuff but. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm video game
tabletop. I'm too smooth brain for
tabletop. That's just I don't.
I can't capture it. We tried.
We tried some D&D with the friend of ours and we were just
sticking around and he was like really having to it.
Yeah, he's so. It's like I can see the fantasy
and the escapism. Like it's, no, it's no different

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than playing like Dragon Age. Totally.
Dragon Age is like you're seeingit, the story told to you.
Yeah, well, is even. Yeah, Inquisition was awesome.
I loved inquisition. Dragon Age Origin is still top
tier though. I don't think I've ever played
Dragon Age. PS3 it's it was so it, it just
was different. It was way ahead of its time.
Well, and it was an extension oflike Baldur's Gate.

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OK, but it felt like an action which really appealed to a lot
of. People strategy like you had the
strategic like you'd have pause and then you just like, all
right, you plan this unit goes here, this unit or I think you
can do it like live to. But I always played like the
strategic, like you do this action, then this and then did
it. Like, it's really weird.
Interesting. Is it like old World of Warcraft

(51:52):
or StarCraft kind of game those?Are like RTS like more or less
like. Yeah, top down.
It's more like it's RTS, but if you have like to play chess RTS
like RTS where like you have to stop and you get to think your
move, you're like, OK, this is optimal.
This, this happens. Like, have you ever played XCOM?
Oh yeah. Not in ages.
It's like. Fucking brutal game.

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It's like it's more of a thinking game than a shooter, if
that makes sense. Yep.
You have to plan everything out your movement and your guys die
permanently. That's why I really got into
like a Nintendo like on the three DSI.
Really love that one. But the Fire Emblem?
Oh yeah. But the only one that I've
really liked was this one with Ican't remember what was called

(52:33):
Awakening. Fire Awakening was one of the
best and I love that game. Just deep story, but it was it
was it was grid based, turn based.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But those games I I can actually
enjoy. I don't know why I but it's just
calming. It tickles like an analytical
part of my brain that yes, I optimize this absolutely to the

(52:55):
Max. Yeah, no, I, I it's exactly, I
got Tactics Ogre Reborn. It's like Final Fantasy Tactics.
But even like Final Fantasy, in games like that, like the action
with the RPG elements, we just don't get enough of those games.
Now everything is just like fucking Fortnite.
Yeah, what are you been playing lately?
I long to play Oblivion remasterbut that's not happening.

(53:17):
I've been playing a lot of repo.Repo.
Repo the Have you seen the little trash can guys like?
No. What they're like, so like the
whole. I think my son plays.
This it's like lethal company, kind of.
OK, OK. Yeah.
Same vibe, but you're little robots and you have to like repo
people stuff to like get to likea certain value and then you

(53:37):
dump it. It's just a it.
It's so scary when you're alone,'cause you're like, guys, where,
where is everybody? Like, oh God, they're all dead.
And then like other when you're with them, you're like turn
around. You're like break a play, break
this, break that. It's funny as fuck.
It's like the like the dichotomyof it.
Yeah, it's just hilarious. Maybe I've check it out.
I've never heard of that. That's on PC, right?

(54:00):
It's on PC right now, yeah. Do you play console?
I actually really I don't for like multiplayer.
I have like Final Fantasy remakeon PlayStation 4, like a bunch
of single player games, like theclosest I've come to like
multiplayer games. Did you finish Remake?
No, I I played the original and it has, it's the stupidest, most
horribly written game, but it has my heart 'cause it was like

(54:22):
the first video game I ever owned.
It it's past halfway, it gets less stupid and when you finish
it, it makes you pumped for the second.
I bought the second one. It's like 140 gig.
It's a pretty big game Gameplay is like amazing.
The story is really robust now, like how it felt like when you

(54:45):
play Final Fight, you go to the second disc and now you're going
in through more open world. This feels like it, but it's
like it's so massive and I'm just like, I'm not ready for all
this, I think. That's part of my problem with
some of those games. I'm just like, Oh my God, they
took my childhood and blew it upto like 10 times.
Yeah, I'm so overwhelmed right now.
Me too. I I was just like just so

(55:06):
awesome. Like that came out when I was in
the Navy and I was just like, oh, this is so cool.
But I couldn't get into it at the time.
Yeah. And then now it's just like when
I got older, I really got into those games.
But other than that, like I, I like playing with other people,
but I like to play like how Brandon and I play.
We we race, we'll play tactical games and it's just fun.

(55:27):
But like, it's hard. There's like not a lot of other
games that we used to have. I knew so many people funny
enough in the military that played like Mmos.
Oh yeah. And it's like, I played with
like, again, unsupervised free range parenting here.
Played a freaking MMO from like the age of like 13 until like
25. I'm just becoming like, God
damn, if I would have devoted all that time to like, I don't

(55:48):
know, learning math or something.
Maybe I could be like some kind of accountant at least.
I mean, I mean, you, you read ata collegiate level.
So. Yeah.
You know, I mean, there's that. That's great.
Yeah. Math that's.
Goddamn actuary. Fucking math.
No one ever got far with math. I mean, have you seen what
technology does now? It's like, I know even growing

(56:11):
up you'll never have a calculator with you all the
time. And I'm like, well, now you have
he's. In front of him, right?
Now, yeah, did. You ever seen that movie called
Iron Sky? No.
Where the Nazis come attacking from the moon?
No. Yeah, They stay up there.
It's the funniest premise because they capture an
astronaut from the US and he's black and they bring him in

(56:31):
there and they're like, tell us why you're.
Yeah. And he's just like, I'm just on
the moon. I'm.
I'm an astronaut. And they go, well, what is this
thing? He goes, oh that's my kick ass
computer. And he goes that is not a
computer. They open up this humongous old
school room with these machines.Like Warring goes, this is a

(56:52):
computer. I actually like, I really like.
I know it probably wasn't retro future then, but like yeah it
was a retro. Future.
Oh, it's it's so cool. Iron Sky.
Look it up because it is the weirdest movie because Iron Sky
2 comes there where they come back for the Nazis come to
attack Earth and they have a Transosaurus Rex that they ride.

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OK. I I raised you that, but you got
to watch hundreds of Beavers. What I.
Is this a porno? No, no, it's, it's legit like
just a weird movie. It's it's 100%, maybe most PG13.
Hundreds of Beavers. Iron.
Sky Iron. Sky, Iron Sky 'cause I'm all
about obscure movies like 'causeyou grew up during that time

(57:35):
too, you got. The bootleg HBO from your like
cousins or something? There was neighbors, yeah.
Oh see, we didn't have any neighbors where I was at, so we
couldn't bootleg anybody's cable.
No, no, no, they would ever. That was his family.
I told you about the Haydens, all red headed girls.
The dad worked for the steel refinery that used to be here.
And yeah, it was just a disgusting house.

(57:58):
It's like an ogre took a shit onit and then they just didn't
clean it up. I mean, there was like the, the,
the floor was just smeared with whatever fluids and dirt were on
the ground. And they have.
Like animals or? Something.
No, Just. Nasty people.
Just now, I mean like when you went into the house, it's kind
of like the feeling if you ever played Resident Evil bio, that

(58:19):
fucking game. Terrified me.
The the first person 1 yes whereyou're in the house with the
crazy family and you're like going through places are dark
parts of wood are broken off that's what this house was like
I. Can't play first person horror
games I have to watch playing 'cause I'm too much of A
chicken. Oh, I would love to do that one
in VR. Oh.
God no that that. Genuinely so terrible the.

(58:41):
Crazy shit starts happening. That could just be like fucking
Texas Chainsaw Massacre, though.That could really happen.
Yeah, unlikely statistically. But it could, yeah, definitely.
Because it sounds like one of these really fucked up things,
like he just stumbled across this.
Like in a meth house somewhere or some?
Yeah, or like any type of Eli Roth movie.
But didn't he do green Hell where there's like college kids

(59:03):
are like let's go discover the Amazon and then they get picked
up by this cannibal tribe have. You had Cannibal Holocaust.
Oh, I've heard about it. I couldn't.
Go. Is that an elector series?
What was that cannibal? No, no, no, it's not anything to
do with Hannibal Lecter. OK.
I've watched it with Emily. Actually it is.
Wasn't it banned in several countries because of it?

(59:24):
Just considered too violent. Right.
Yeah, holy shit. Yeah, 'cause that that used to
get, you don't see it anymore. I don't think they'll even allow
it. But NC 17 was all those like,
you know, because the ratings for porn, Yeah, yeah, they're,
yeah. Horror porn, pretty much.
It's just. And then you had like Eli Roth

(59:44):
come out with like Hostel where they're like.
Oh yeah, hostel. Is way more brutal in.
My mind though, and. It's just gore.
And it's, well, it stemmed a whole thing from there.
Like, there was a lot of super gory, Yeah.
Saw and all that shit. I feel like at that time I was
just trying to push like push the extreme, push the extreme,
push the extreme, which from like.

(01:00:06):
A makeup standpoint, like just like the special effects.
I'm like, OK, like I see why this is fucking cool from one
person. Other people are like, Oh my
God, this is so like. But a lot of it was like, these
stories weren't as good in some of them.
And I'm like, it's just the most.
Creative way to kill people. That's the final.
Destination, yeah. Which kind of like not gonna
lie. It was like that scary movie
movies, You've ever those movies.

(01:00:28):
Yeah, the web where they got, they have this Saw thing and
they're like, you know, she's got this thing on her head and
the guy's got this thing where this probe's gonna go right up
his ass as if a timer goes off and she's like, and then they
get free of it and she goes, kid, can I put this on?
Those movies are hilarious. I.
Haven't seen that in. Oh man, that was so funny.
I. Don't think I've gotten to that

(01:00:50):
scary movie I kind of gave up after like the ring one.
Oh yeah, no, no, no, that's like3 or something.
It's just these clips. They're funny, but yeah, the
whole movie. I I totally agree.
Like going back and watching movies that you grew up with.
Sometimes it blows my mind. I'm like holy shit this was
terrible. Yeah, it was so bad.
See, like there's a lot of like he he movies and like people

(01:01:12):
like this is my childhood. I didn't watch till I was an
adult. I was like, I get the appeal,
but it ain't for me like. You know, I I am convinced that
Michael Bay is a shitty director.
What is he direct? Transformers bad boys.
I like the Rock, that was my favorite.
Like he's such a he's a good meme.

(01:01:32):
He is a good meme, great meme, but it's just like, that's the
only one I can think. I'm like, I like that because
all of his movies are the same. I watched my wife and I when we
were first married, we watched All the Bad Boys and we thought
those are funny and and good action.
And then the third one came out,the geriatric version.
And so we go to see that one andI'm like, this is fucking
stupid. And I was like, the movies

(01:01:54):
aren't that bad. And we went back and watched
them. She's like, turn it off.
This is so fucking bad. This is so bad.
Isn't that terrible though? You think?
It's like this, This was so goodand you watching like, oh how
that was garbage. How did I like that?
There are some really good ones like The Godfather.
Did you ever see The Godfather? Ever watch it through it's it's
a fucking it's like a as a kid, as a boring adult movie.

(01:02:15):
Kind of Oh yeah, no, you can appreciate it now.
More on the style, but the culture of the time and and how
like terrifying it was with the mob being around.
Like we don't, I mean we have like cartels and stuff like that
and that's horrible in its own self.
But the way that they did thingswas so brutal.
It's like how they deal with it down in South America.

(01:02:35):
Yeah, it's the culture was again, very brutal.
Mob Museum was the Mob museum over in Vegas.
It's fascinating. Yeah, how many bodies are buried
out there in the desert? They have towards the end like a
very big wall and it tells you like the what this person was
famous for, like more minor mobsters, what happened to them,

(01:02:55):
how many like death attempts there were on their life and
like all these stats and just tells you their story.
It's really cool. That's crazy.
There was like a couple female mobsters too.
Oh yeah, I believe. Not many, but there were a few.
You ever seen the movie Goodfellas?
Oh, watch that I. Need to watch more like adult
Movies Now that I actually have like an attention span.
No, it's a good state. It's a true story about this guy

(01:03:18):
named Henry Hill from when he was a kid getting involved in
the mob and then his rise and ascension in the mob and then
what happened and the big fall and all this other stuff.
The guy is still in witness protection and they he did this
movie and it was. It's insane.
It's really cool because it's all true, but it's exactly that.

(01:03:39):
Like how horrible they were to each other and what they
constantly were trying to kill each other.
That's pretty fucked up. Oh yeah, I mean.
And it's just the life. Yeah, like, yeah, I don't know.
So now you have an online Etsy. Do you have a name for it?
It's apathetic. Apparel.
Uh huh. Yeah.
I think that's what all my socials are too, Something like

(01:04:00):
that. Apathetic Apparel Co.
Something along those lines depending on the handle.
What's the What's the focus? It's like, kind of like black
metal theming or like like albumcovers.
Oh cool. Kind of like you would see that
like on an album cover or something and just like kind of
more dark theming. Yeah, art and stuff.
Art. Yeah.
So did you like cover art for bands?

(01:04:23):
I don't. I used to actually do a lot of
art and then I just let those skills kind of go to shit.
Like I could do like a decent sketch, but I usually will work
with an artist on like I have a couple that I work with fairly
regularly that like I was like, here's my rough draft, make it,
make it cool. Yeah, yeah, you get.
Yeah, yeah, it's awesome. So you so do you create custom
for anybody or you just like youtheme it and then you put?

(01:04:46):
It out there theme it. I'd like to eventually start
doing some like limited time drop kind of things like I I
have like a mind and I like something in mind for like 420
maybe next year. Very cool.
That's awesome. Yeah, Everybody go check that
out. That's really cool.
I love the theme about that because that's the one thing
that products lack is soul. And when you don't have a soul,

(01:05:08):
it's just random. Like you know it it's a
difference of having a certain type of apparel.
You're like, I don't want to getany oil stains on it or anything
like that because you're like, this is something that I.
Well, like I I like a good T-shirt.
Who? Doesn't.
Yeah, like hell yeah. I would like eventually maybe
like to go or more into like a cut and sew or something like
that, but for now. Progression.

(01:05:29):
Progression, yeah. But that's cool theme shirts, I
love that. Yeah, I love it.
We'll put all the links in it. We'll check them out.
If this episode was the Gospel of Ruth, what would the last
line be? Same bad time, same bad place.
All right, guys. Take care.