August 7, 2025 • 59 mins
Imagine going blind… and your doctor has no answers. That was Al’s reality. Until he turned to a plant everyone warned him about.
In this Sesh, we sit down with Al Morentin — founder of My Fit Life — to talk:
How cannabis helped him recover his eyesight after years of vision loss
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(00:02):
I'm Brandon. And I'm.
Jesse we're cannabis school having cannabis infused
conversations with everyday people, cannabis companies,
celebrities and your mom. Welcome to the Sash.
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It's, you know, honestly, it's like one of those it's it's
almost too good to be true. So we want to dive into it.
We really want to learn more about like his journey, what
he's gone through, his experiences, and ultimately
where his life has gotten him totoday.
So that you out there could go, man, maybe that's something
(00:47):
that's gone on with me or that'sthat's nuts.
I need to learn more about that.So ow, thank you so much for
coming to join us here on the show.
Tell us, how long have you been using cannabis?
Yeah, thank you for having me onthe show.
And I've been using cannabis since 1987, since I was since I
was 21 years old. Oh damn, the year I was born.
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Yeah, wow. That's a long time.
That's a long time to be consuming cannabis.
So what's been, what's been likethe, the biggest change that
you've seen within the cannabis world from from early on to now,
I mean, other than legalization?Yeah, that thing, yeah.
And the, the, all the availability of it, you know,
'cause back then, you know, 'cause I 'cause I was involved
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like, you know, in, in, in the industry, heavy duty for years
and years and years. And like the availability like
you only have green bud, like during Christmas season, you
know, basically. After harvest.
Yeah, like like October, November through like depending
on how much people grew to like March, you know, maybe, you
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know, maybe April or May. And then you'd have the, the
dirt weed, you know, the brick weed, you know, through the,
through the summer and try to, you know, wait, wait for the
fall again, you know, biggest thing.
That's rough. That sounds like it would be a
kind of a a brutal experience. But it was, it was, it was
right. So you was just like, hey, this
is what we know we got during this time and it was something
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you look forward to around the fall time.
But still, it'd be great if it was year round.
Yeah, yeah. So we're gonna jump a little bit
into kind of your story with it.When you were, how old was it
that they found markers for Glaucone?
When I was in 6th grade, yeah, they said yeah, they said you
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have the Marcus glaucoma and you'll probably go blind one day
because there is no cure. Yeah, that's in 6th grade
though. That's a very young age to.
Yeah, I'm wondering, like, I mean, were your parents super
involved? I mean, my parents were boomers
and you know, they, they were, they were involved as much as
they could, latchkey kid and allthat.
But were your parents pretty involved about that?
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Was it scary for your mom? For your father?
We never talked about it. Sounds right.
Yeah. And then, yeah, they were born
in the 20s, you know, and yeah, I'm, I'm 59 and in the 70s,
that's what I thought. That was the 70s, right?
There was no, no Internet, no nothing, you know, Like the
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doctor just told me about it andthat was it.
You know, I, I, I didn't really,you know, go to the library and.
Search in the encyclopedia to learn more about it.
Yeah, if that, yeah. I didn't do that because they
they said it would wouldn't happen till I was like later on
in life, you know, way later. So.
So when was later on in life when you started to notice that
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vision started to change? Well, when I was in my, when I
was exactly 30 years old, you know, I went to the, you know,
for my yearly checkup or whatever and the doctor said
your glaucoma is active now and you'll probably go blind one day
because there is no cure. Same exact story.
How long from 30 was it till youstarted noticing that you
(03:58):
actually couldn't see anymore? I started losing it in my
probably went in my early 40s, yeah.
And then it started, you know, like as I went into my 40s, it
started, you know, losing it more rapidly.
You know, like the, the, the wayglaucoma works is, is you lose
your peripheral vision and it goes into like a tunnel vision.
And at the same time there's things like where lights turn
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into like these starbursts, likea crazy disco show, like the,
the old ladies that wear those, those welding shades.
That's why they wear, that's whythey wear them, because they
can't have light come in at any point or else it'll be just like
like this crazy like like Starburst of.
Laser light show for. Looking through a windshield
with no windshield wipers on in the rain, just sitting on.
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Them with like lights coming towards you, yeah.
Super disorienting, like my vision's going a little bit and
I'll notice that far away lightsare kind of like they look like
stars like in paintings. But the the what you're
describing, it's just any light coming in.
It's so distorting and so disorienting.
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Yep, Yep. And then there's like fog that
happens in some people and like like there's a holes like Swiss
cheese like where you see here but you can't see here.
There's a bunch of different things that happened.
I went through all of it and then I went blind, you know?
So you can blind, blind, you gotit to the point where you're
talking about that tunnel vision, got to that point where
you can really even function. Yeah, yeah, in, in my right eye,
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I went, I went completely blind and I, you know, I started
leaving it in my left and, and Iwas able to get my figure out
how to get my eyesight back. And so I could see pretty much,
you know, full fielded vision inmy left eye.
And my right eye has probably about 60% like where, where I
could see like like some of the peripheral vision out here and
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from up here and stuff like isn't, isn't there.
But I passed my driver's test like 2 years ago when I moved
from California to Arizona. And I, I was scared about that,
you know, and they, they gave melicense until 2030.
That's impressive like that you have that far back, so you lost
it totally out of one eye. Was it totally gone out of both
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eyes? No, it was.
It was like compromised in my left eye and totally gone in my
right. Was that frightening?
It was totally frightening. Yeah.
Oh, oh, oh, it's crazy. And people like people around
you don't know how to react to you because like, you know, like
you're, you're still like, lookslike you and you look healthy,
but you're, you just can't see and, and like it's, it's like.
(06:31):
Did you have like a cane and allthat?
Did you have to Start learning all of this?
At least you started going into that going OK, I guess this is
my life. Or, well, what were you?
I mean, you had sight in one eye.
Yeah. He wasn't using a cane.
But it really distorted your perception of the world around
you, Right? Yeah, yeah.
And and like the like the story I say is sort of like a quick
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story, but the way it actually happened is in 2013, like I was
losing my eyesight really bad and going and had hardcore
migraines too. Like like there's one has one
glaucoma has pain and one doesn't when it's like the
silent thief. I have the one that has pain and
I went into daily migraines. It was like sucked right.
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And I found out about a Rick Simpson oil that had been trying
everything and I was like from 30 to about 47 years old. 47 is
when I found the Rick Simpson oil.
And I was like, hey, like researching it, you know,
because I do research really well and suffer cancer and, you
know, chronic pain or whatever, but nothing for glaucoma.
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And I was like, OK, well, the first person that got the OK
from federally, from the federalgovernment in 1977 in the United
States was for glaucoma. So I was like, maybe this will
work, you know, and 'cause I 'cause I was always
neuropathists with herbs, you know, before and now with the
oils. So I did the oils for about 3
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years. And like the the first night,
the first night that I did it, I, I woke up the next day
without a headache, right? That with no migraine.
And so I was like, if I could just have that, I'll, I'll
continue to do it. And that's what, you know, So I
did it every day, you know, fromthen on.
And that's what enabled me to figure out how to save my
eyesight. So at that point, I was just
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getting it from other people. And I was able to stop it from
advancing and not really make itbetter.
And then they started fucking upbasically and making bad oil.
It wasn't therapeutically activeanymore, but it still got you
high. It it looked like Rick Simpson
oil and it still got you high. So I thought like.
It's working I'm. Done, I'm done.
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You know, it's not, it's not, it's not going to work for me
anymore. And, and, and then I figured out
that they were just like like overclicking it or doing, you
know, whatever, taking out the therapeutic benefits of it.
So I had and I, and I started going blind right away.
I, I I like it was crazy, like way quicker than previously than
the three years before. And my friend worked for open
(08:59):
and vape, which was in Colorado.It was like the biggest oil
company at the time and he was the California Rep and I was
like, I was like, Hey, I don't know what to do.
Like I these these guys oil, whatever and is is not good.
And he's like, hey, I'm at Target right now, which he was,
he was about 1/2 hour from my house.
He goes, he goes, come meet me. I'm, I'm buying something for my
(09:20):
daughter for her birthday. But you need, you need my shit,
you know, to come over and meet me in the parking lot and like
he just hooked me up with all these syringes and you know,
like, like big pens and all kinds of stuff.
I was like, it just like a wholelike being full.
And he goes, whatever, if you need more, whatever.
And I just, and I started getting my, my vision back that
way. But their oil was OK.
And then I started making it myself.
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And then and what's what I call it, But during that process is
when I, when I went blind. So I was so I was blind for
about like a two weeks or something like that, you know,
and. It was the hardest thing for you
in going blind for those two weeks, so it was the biggest
aside from just being blind. Oh, everything.
I mean you. How you felt?
Like, you know, brushing your teeth.
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What was that emotional change that shifted?
Like, what was different emotionally for you?
Well. While being scared that this one
was going to go blind quickly, you know, because like, because,
like, because, like it was like,holy shit, because, because,
like I would just always check because you always check when
you have glaucoma, when you're starting to lose your eyesight,
you'll like wake up and you'll check and you know, like
throughout the day, like your good eye, your bad eye,
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whatever. And so I would always, I was
just always checking like is thejoke over, you know, like is
over. And when I, when I, when I was
able to get the material to makemy own RSO, I just started like
macro dosing that shit. You know, I I just like taking
like grammar more a day and and and then.
Cancer patient style. And yeah, and then as soon as
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like, which would call it what one one day I walked, it was
like 1 AMI walked into my, my little Home Office, you know,
and I looked at the computer screen and there was like a
video on there. And I covered my, my good eye,
you know, to see if I could see anything.
And I saw shadows, like I didn'tsee anything.
It is like these little grey shadows.
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And I was like, I know I'm goingto get my eyesight back now.
And I just started like, like, like, you know, doing everything
right, like eating right, everything, you know, like,
like, like, you know, and just taking those massive amounts.
And I slowly got it back. I actually did the first like
100 days of it. I made, I made a video everyday
documenting the progress becauseit was things were changing
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daily, you know, getting my eyesight back.
I called the glaucoma hoe. Do you?
What is your dose today to manage and maintain that same
level of eyesight for high visibility?
It's it's high, it's 600 to 1000milligrams a day.
Wow. OK, Yeah, yo, that's a good
amount. Yeah.
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No, you you said something therethat I really want to emphasize
this. So you said you started changing
your life, you started to eat, right?
What does that mean? It is well, I, I'm, I'm in
health and well, this, you know,so, and I've written programs
and books on how to eat well. So it's just 80 things that
aren't, that don't have a bunch of toxins, they'll process foods
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and things like that, you know, and I actually even, I even
stopped drinking, you know, all those kinds of things.
But like I do like organic foods.
I'm, I'm all plant based now. I have been since 2003, you
know, so over 20 years. And so like, you know, so
organic, biodynamic foods, like beyond organic and stuff like
that, you know, like super foods, you got really heavy into
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the Super food movement, you know?
Yeah, so that makes sense. So both you know, your, your
compounded your, your formula that you've been creating and
living a healthy lifestyle. I mean, you started seeing
shadows. You must have been like going.
Back, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It was super, super awesome. Yeah, definitely.
One other thing that I take that's really awesome is too is
this stuff called Sheila Jeet. Yeah, I've heard of that.
Yeah, it's a mineral and I actually.
Tell me, Cheek. A liquid form of it as it comes.
It's a tar, yeah, like the substance from the Himalayas.
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It's plant based matter that's have been compressed over
thousands of years and it's basically all 85 minerals and
trace elements, plus this stuff called humic acid and fulvic
acid, which is super awesome foryou.
And it helps to make the minerals 100% bioavailable.
So you could, you know, uptake them into your body and utilize
them for good. All of them and, and and other
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other new genes as well. But like minerals, everybody is
mineral deficient and like like it's like the Shila G Ayurvedic
master said it gives you life force energy, you know, over
thousands of years, whatever in in their scripts, but it's been
proven in clinical studies to increase the health of your
mitochondria, right? So, so, so cell function like
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like that, like your mitochondria is the energy
powerhouse of your cell. So for people that have any kind
of malfunction, like like like me, you know, they have like
auto auto that kind of things, yeah.
And then people like with cancer, like cancer, they say
like is a malfunction in your mitochondria.
So that's why this stuff's awesome, but, and I made it
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actually developed a, a liquid form of it because usually this
tar and it's, it's even harder to deal with.
It looks almost exactly like RSO, like like this black tar.
But it's, it's really hard to get out of the jar and deal
with. And people like with cancer and
rheumatoid arthritis and people that have glaucoma that have,
they can't see well that are in the later stages, it's harder
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for them to deal with that. So I just made a tincture for
them to this crystal activated water.
That's cool. So if all your products
disappeared tomorrow, the oils, the websites, your formulations,
who would al be? In three days to four days I go
into daily migraines and chronicpain.
That was a power lifter. So I have like other issues that
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I used to have, but I don't haveany more.
And then within a week I go blind.
A week. That's crazy.
So so I so I'll be blind and curled up in a bed and pain.
Within a week. So take me to that moment when
you were first like looking at acomputer screen, looking at
covering at your good eye and seeing shadows.
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How long was it from that time till when you actually felt like
you had full visit like to whereyou're at now?
What was that journey like? Well, like I mentioned, I did
like 100 videos and 100 days andit probably took about a year
somewhere around there. It's.
Quite a journey. I, I, I, I guess, yeah.
It's not like where you just take it like some people like
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you'll take CBD or RSO or whatever, you know and like
their anxiety goes away like that or.
Yeah. My, my back pain's gone.
It's like with, with, with glaucoma, it's like you try, you
try to stop it. Yeah, you know, first from
advancing more. Yeah.
Then you try to slowly get it better and it's, it's a bitch.
Like because one time in 20/18/2017 or 2018 18, I was
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working with a farm in Colorado and they, they sent my material
set to make the RSO to the wrongaddress.
And, and then it was stolen fromthat address and, and I, and I
didn't have anything. I was out and I didn't know who
to go to. So I I was literally driving to
the farm in Colorado from California and going blind at
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the same time, you know? There's the.
Material to make it riot and it was crazy and so I I actually
went blind again and and sick because I had forgotten that the
macro dosing part of it. So I was just doing like 400
milligrams here and there and I couldn't get my eyesight back
and I was like, what the fuck isgoing on?
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And then, and then after like 5 or 6 months, I finally figured
it out because like I, I went tothe Home Depot.
I was up in Hollywood, CA and I went to Home Depot on Sunset
Blvd. one day and I was a bit bit like my right eye was gone
and I'm in the elevator and all of a sudden my left eye like
just went into these shimmers like and it was and it was like
I was looking at this poster andI and I couldn't see out of
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either eye and I and I was just standing there and at Home Depot
like they're gonna help you. I'm good.
You know, like finally I startedlike coming back, you know, a
little bits where I made it home, you know, but and I was
like, wait a minute and I started thinking and I'm like,
Oh yeah, I used to do like a gram, you know, a day and stuff
like that. So I started doing that and it
and it came back, but it took like at that time it took two
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years to. Get it back from that stage.
So yeah, to what it was before. That's quite a while.
How high do you think? Like were you pretty elevated
when you jumped to 406 hundred agram a day of a SO?
Do you feel like you were prettyfloaty out of your body for a
while? As far as the the the high kind
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of thing. Yeah.
How was that high for you? When I first started, like back
in 2013, when I first started taking it, it affected me hard
for like, like, you know, like five years later, you know, 10
years later it's, it's, you know, it doesn't affect me as as
much, you know, at all. Pretty mild.
You can go do a full days of stuff on a gram or like
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throughout your normal day like.Chugging a little tainter
bottle. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I, yeah,
'cause I do like 200 milligrams at a time, like like five times
a day. OK, Yeah.
Kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I, I right, right,
right now it's three to five times like 600 to 1000, yeah,
milligrams. But PRN but, but when I first
started, like just that little because, because it was in the
syringes, I, I, I put it into capsules and tinctures to make
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it easy for people and so they could do exact doses.
But, but, but I was getting in the syringes and that little
grain of rice thing that you hear about, you know, like to
start off with, I get blew me out.
Like I, I've been driving and all of a sudden, like, I got
pulled over, you know, like, yeah.
You're like, I'm in space. Oh shit, I need to park.
Yeah. It was funny.
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So now it's pretty on that side,the psychoactive side, it's
almost negligible. Yeah, it just makes it, it, it,
it just grounds me, you know? Yeah, that's why that's why I
love cannabis so much. It's because like it, it centers
me, you know, like it, it. If I, before I started smoking
marijuana, I would get like angry and stuff like that really
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easy. And, you know, like, and when I,
when I was able to start smokingmarijuana, then it helped me,
like, to calm down before I haveto listen to like, a Pink Floyd
album or something, you know? Yeah.
Only one? Wow, sometimes I'm 3 or 4.
Yeah, no, definitely. You just, you know, and it's
cool too because like even if I don't get a smoke that day or
for a few days, like it doesn't put me in a bad place.
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I'm still me. I've just learned how to be able
to taper myself back. Like I don't need to get mad
about stupid shit all the time. It just.
You know, it's like my old man, he's, he's always upset.
He's always upset and like, why are you upset?
He's like I. Don't know, there's always
something to be mad at you. Need to smoke some weed?
You know. But that definitely like it's
it. No, man, I love that and I and I
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feel for you man, because that'sand it and it's awesome that you
recognize like the therapeutic amount is not going to be on the
bottle for something like this. Like this is aggressive that you
went after it and and with that.So you created this product.
You have you have several different products, but you
created this Rick Simpson oil. When did you start just start
(20:38):
thinking about selling it to other people?
Well, when I, when those guys started messing up the
formulation and, and I had to start making it myself, that's
when. And it was right before it went
legal recreationally in California, you know, and it was
still just, you have to still have the card.
And I would have preferred it state like that, you know,
because things that got weird after that, but but yeah, right,
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right then because I, I, I knew I had to start the company
because I couldn't risk having somebody else make it for me and
start messing up again. Because because I don't want to
go blind and go through that year, year long process again,
you know, so, so I started, so Ihad a necessity.
I started the cannabis company. I've had my fit life since 2001,
(21:23):
right. And then Movida is the cannabis
company and Movida is Spanglish for more life, right?
Because I couldn't get what I wanted for for my fit life.
I could help other people get healthy, but I couldn't help
myself. And then I will be the, you
know, was that was what I needed.
And here we are today. Dude, that's cool.
I like that. I like that story too, and
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that's a good name. That's a really good name.
I love those like those I. Literally thought it.
I thought it up on the way home from the, from my meeting my
friend at that Target parking lot because I was like, because
like, I'm, I'm getting material,but I, I need oil now, you know,
like I need a ton of it. You know, it's all, we're the
biggest oil manufacturers in theUnited States.
(22:05):
We'll, we'll supply you all you need.
You know, I talked to the CEO, you know, of the company and,
and, but like later on, but likeon my, on my way home from
there, I was like, Nah, I, I gotto start a company.
What's the name of the company? I thought it up on the way home.
Dude, that's awesome, that's awesome.
I love that and it's so how the the company you in your story,
(22:26):
you develop this over 17 years, which you've taken us pretty
much through that where it was just this whole long process
over there. Then you spent four years
developing other products. You've got it out there.
You have a claim over there of 12,000 people that you've been
able to help. Tell us a couple of the stories
that really stood out to you. OK, so one of them is this woman
(22:47):
named Patty. She came to me.
I was speaking at because I've never and I've never done
advertisements like you know, soI was just just customers
through speaking engagements andstuff.
So I was speaking at this like asort of like a CrossFit style
gym in Cypress, CA. And there was this woman, you
know, in the audience. She had a scarf on her head and
she had a, you know, a friend with her.
(23:08):
After the seminar was over, she came up to me and said, hey,
I've, I've watched all your videos, all those Oklahoma Hope
videos and I know you could helpme.
She goes, I, I and I found out she had stage 4 cancer,
pancreatic cancer, which is likethe most hardcore cancer there
is. Inoperable sent home with two
months to live, right. And so she goes, I know you
could help me. And she was, she had a smile on
(23:29):
her face, you know, and I was like, and it's frail, but smile
on her face. And I was like, I'll, I'll do,
I'll do my best. You know, I can't, you know, I
can't guarantee anything, but I'll do my absolute best to help
you. And you know, so Gabriel, you
know, so I have a high CBD version that I created, you
know, so people take it during the day and not get high and
they could take it high T2 version at night.
So she enjoyed that version better and, and, and only did
(23:53):
that version and, and, and the syllogy and this other stuff
called MSM and, and some food protocols.
And Fast forward about 8 months like so she, you know, survived
past the two months, right? And she goes to the doctor with
her daughter because her daughter was sick.
And the doctor says, who are you?
And she goes, I'm Patty. And he goes, I thought you were
(24:13):
dead, you know, like, and so here, you know.
That's so fucked up. Put away.
I thought you were dead. Shit, I should have been billing
you. Oh.
I wrote that off. Oh damn it.
Wow. So he, yeah.
So he actually took that as an opportunity to put her on, put
her on some more medication and and whatever.
But but she was able to overcomeand live a vibrant life.
(24:35):
I had her friend that took her there that day, like in 2023,
like five years later, because that was 2018.
And in 2023, I received this e-mail from her friend saying,
Hey, you know, I'm Patty's friend, you know, and you that
day that I met you, you know, I,I didn't know if you're, if she
was going to be able to get any help, but she did.
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And thank you so much. She goes because you didn't just
make her survive. He helped her to thrive.
I was able to go out with her, go to the movies, go to dinner.
I have my friend back. Thank you so much.
And I was like, oh, these tears coming down, all that kind of.
It's, it's crazy to see the impact that it can drastically
have on people's lives. There's someone even that we've
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helped get access to edibles. She's got crazy bone spurs all
up and down her spine and stuff.And she went from.
Feeling on Hospice? And feeling like she was on the
way out, no quality of life, no movement, and not to where now
she's actually moving, smiling, laughing, doing stuff like her
son she's liking. Around.
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She's got a life like he's got amom again, versus just he's
taking care of someone who's about to pass, you know, and
it's, it's a whole different experience to gain that quality
of life. Yeah, and the other thing, what
I love about your story, man, because I'm going to tell you
the truth though, I came with guns loaded.
I'm like another guy telling me CBD stories, motherfucker.
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And what I got was this awesome story of, hey, you want to make
a change, you're going to have to be as aggressive as what's
coming after your life. And you can't take it lightly.
You know, when, for instance, your price points, Because the
price points for me, I was just like, because we've met all
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those guys. We've met a bunch of like, yeah,
it's a good product, but that's a lot of money.
You're asking for it. But I love this because it
doesn't just come with that partwhen working with your company
and Movida, both companies, right?
But there's a a synergistic pattern there.
You didn't just send her off with like, here's some oil.
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Best of luck. Don't worry.
Put it on auto ship. Like you gave her a protocol.
You understood that this is not something that just like you
said before, you're like, oh, I had a little CBD.
My back pain's gone. Like, yeah, whatever.
You know that that was just likea strained muscle.
You know, you want to talk aboutback pain, talk about this guy,
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you know, with a cracked disc and every day sitting, standing
doesn't matter. It's it's pain.
And so I. Feel like mine's mild in
comparison to so many other people.
I'm like, way worse shit. Mine just bad for me, you know?
And for people who have less chronic pain than I do, yeah.
But I mean, this woman comes to you.
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She's in so much inflammation, so much pain, and they prescribe
her no hope. And you're like, hey, we'll give
it a try. And I love that because you
understand that everybody's endocannabinoid system is
different. It'll respond differently.
But if you go aggressive and youtake your story, I mean, I'd be
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like, yeah, constantly. I, I, I would see like a
doomsday bunker full of oil thatyou would have going, yeah, I
just put this shit, a spigot right here and I just pour it.
And I, because I mean, you know,that makes sense because
realized, you know, it's like the rest of us going, oh, that's
a lot of, well, how much water do you drink a day?
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How much soda do you drink a day?
Like how many bags of chips do you eat a day?
Yeah, exactly right. And it's like when you're
talking about excess, like excess isn't necessarily this
something to skirt away from. When something is strong coming
at you, man, you got to meet it head on.
You can't do it, like, stop it because that's what they're
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doing. When you're taking these small
doses and not understanding thatyou got to go after it, like,
like what chemotherapy would do.It's hardcore.
It just kills everything, though, right?
This is, yeah, awesome. I mean, you got another one.
I call it doing a doing a full frontal assault right, you know,
like because they're they're warriors either trying to take
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you down and the medical thoughtis the least effective dose
because their their their stuff is so fucked up.
All right, you know, it gives usso many side effects, but you
know, cannabis only has side benefits, right?
So that's, that's why we could do the back Rd. dosing.
But yeah, there's, there's this one woman, I, I just thought of
her. I haven't thought of her in a
long time, but she was in Gardena, CA and she had like a
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leukemia and, and you know, like, like later stages and
stuff like that. And we have like a cannabis
caregiver that works with me was, was giving her the
protocols and stuff like that togo.
And, and this caregiver is so friggin awesome.
Like she actually goes to the people's houses.
If the people want to go to the like the hospital to get
surgery. She, she's in the, she's in the
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surgery with them making sure their wishes are, you know,
taken care of. We actually got Movida on the on
the chart as to give it doses for the and shit like that.
But this woman in in Gardena, she started having like along
with the leukemia anal leakage, right.
So she has tried to have to weardiapers and shit and like, like
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she lost all herself respect. She says I'm not leaving the
house anymore. I'm I don't want to have an
accident while I'm out in the market or somewhere else.
I can't do that to myself. And so she was just depressed in
her house. She started taking our, the,
the, the again, the highest CBD version of our RSO and in, in
like in less than 30 days, her anal leak had stopped And
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they're, and they told her that there, there is no cure for
that. I thought that the doctor said
there is no cure. You're going to be like that for
the rest of your life. And she, she overcame her
leukemia and did all, all that good shit, you know, but, but,
but, but I, but like, I'm, I'm sort of used to those stories
now that not everybody has success, you know, obviously,
but we have, we have a good majority that do but, but what
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happened to her? Like, like, like the like the
self respect that she got back. Like I'm able to leave my house
now. I'm able to, I have to bring my
dignity back. All this stuff like like, like
that was so powerful. It was amazing.
And it was, and it was unexpected too.
Like, like, I didn't think it would help that, you know, but
it did. That's such a cool story.
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I mean, you know, usually it does it goes to cancer, but but
you went from leukemia to anal leakage.
And for me, all I was thinking I'm like, dude, that would be
horrible. That'd be a shitty experience,
no pun intended. But I mean, you couldn't you?
You would literally have to get rubber furniture.
Yeah. And yeah.
Or like wear diapers and all thetime as an adult, like you know
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that that's not got to be like you said, the the respect that
you lose almost for yourself. You need to have more respect
just getting a colostomy bag at that point because it's like,
what's and then what quality of life is that?
That's amazing because it's so cool to know that you have
protocols that you put in place.It's not just something you sell
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off the shelf like this is prescribed.
You're looking at it based off of the evidence that you've been
able to see. And, and I love what you said,
man. You're like, it doesn't work for
everybody. Exactly.
Cannabis is not a miracle cure, but it should be definitely
explored because he just have somany great accounts of things
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like that. That's that's one thing.
One thing that we do too is like, since you're talking about
that, we do free consult. I do free consultations and
develop protocols for the peoplethat, you know, that have the
conditions because we don't, we don't have any like recreational
stuff over here. Everybody that every, every
client we have, it has has some kind of condition going on.
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So they, they get their protocols.
If they need adjustments for their protocol, they, they do
consultations again and we do that for free.
And, and when they overcome, then you go into a maintenance
phase. So the situation doesn't come
back, right? And then we help from the lower
end of that dosage too, you know, because, you know, like
with cancer, you don't do 1000 milligrams for the rest of your
life. You know, you, you, you, you
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overcome the situation, you know, and at certain points you
could even go down into 600 to 800 with them and maintenance to
go down to like 100 to 200 milligrams, you know, depending
on who you are and how you reactto it.
Do you ever feel like you are walking a tightrope between
Healer and Hustler? No.
Cool. I was like, I know the cannabis
space is kind of. Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of
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sheisty people in there who, I mean, our biggest complaint of
whenever we want to like sponsoror work with a company, we're
just like, dude, they've I'm notgoing to trust them if they
don't understand or use cannabis.
Like, I mean, it means that we're being very biased and and
a bit racist in a way non cannabis user get away from me.
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But I mean, you know what I mean?
It's. I'm the same way because it is.
It is incredible the amount of people in the cannabis industry
like CEO's of cannabis companiesthat.
Don't even touch it. Don't they don't smoke?
Yeah, it's crazy. They're just corporate guys.
Like I've been offered like, like, you know, like investment,
like all kinds of stuff, like like the $1,000,000 investment,
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like like several times, over a dozen times.
And I just throw their shit in the trash can say like what,
what can you do for my business besides money?
Because because we can get moneyfrom anywhere.
Like like, like what can you do to help grow my business?
And they can never answer the question.
You know, it's like, fuck you guys or.
They can always throw more moneyat it.
That's usually what they're goodat is like, hey, we've got
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money. Money solves problems.
Just you figure it out. Here's some money.
I got like, I had some like thisfriend, her and her partner,
they, they, they did a so like, and she was a really good maker
of RSO. You know, because I, I extract,
I formulate, I do everything right.
So she did so well and, and they, they gave her, I forget
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what it was like 17 million or something.
So, you know, to, to buy into her company and she like she had
the dreadlocks, really beautifulgirl, you know, and she just
became like this showpiece. And I got that shows they took
away the RSO just started doing vapes and dabs and stuff.
And she had no control over the business.
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And I, I got after I saw that I was like, no way.
I'm keeping up. I'm keeping with control, you
know, so even now, like with theeven the the grow situations,
all the over hybridization, you know, that's going on like like
so we even started with the withwith the high THC stuff.
We do all the grow in house now,you know, because so we have
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like heirloom variety strains, like these old, old, old school
strains. Like.
Yeah, supposedly never been hybridized ever.
You know, it's like the purest indica, which basically like an
Afghan Kush and Northern Lights #1 skunk #2 and grand Granddaddy
Purple cross with the pure Ascendica.
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That's what that's what we're going right now.
That's fantastic. Those are all such delicious
strains. I've not had Northern Lights.
Number one, go dry I. Know I love Northern Lights.
That one was amazing. I've had #7 I don't think I've
had. Number one, gosh.
But yeah, Northern Lights was I had it in that vape pen.
That was so weird. It was weird.
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It was probably just a bad dizzy.
That's that's more than likely what it was.
But yeah, Oh man, I just love this because, you know, has the.
Has there been a moment that you've said screw this, I'm
done? I'm with cannabis.
No with your with. This whole journey with the.
Business and everything like that.
Like is it is it a pain or is ita blessing?
The business itself is so rough.Like they like especially like,
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you know, they're trying to makeCBD illegal.
You know, again, they just took it out of the, the verbiage out
of the AG bill. But if it would have passed with
that verbiage in there, it just happened like 2 days ago or yes,
yeah, Tuesday, today's Thursday.So where they were, Rand Paul
took the verbiage out of that AGbill to work. 95% of the CBD out
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on the market would have been illegal if it would have passed.
Yeah. So, so, but like merchant
accounts getting shut down like in 2023, just just two years
ago, five months out of this outof the 12 merchant account was
shut down. But I, I, you know.
And. Bank account frozen, you know,
just for whatever reason, like, you know, I had everything, CMA
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is everything and we're just like, oh, we blah, blah, blah,
you know, like no warnings, nothing.
So, so, so it's difficult, but I, I don't trust anybody to have
the good stuff, right? You know, because people fall
for, people fail. But I never do.
You know, I've, I've been doing this stuff, you know, I've, I've
sold over £1,000,000 cannabis flower in my lifetime, you know,
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like did it coast to coast when I was younger and, and, and
today, you know, like you have like fucking the, the baddest
shit on the on the planet, you know, and same thing with the
food, same thing with the programs.
Everything is, is, is the best of the best because people
depend on me, you know, people, people tell me what, what am I
going to do if you die? If.
I die. Because like they tried other
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CBD, they tried other stuff, youknow, but it's not people don't
understand holistic health, you know, like most, most cannabis
companies, most CBDCEOS and shit, they used to be like a
welder or a fucking teacher or something.
You know, I've been in holistic health my entire life since
1987. You know, I've written books,
you know, on, you know, better labeling the Whole Foods.
Yeah, like the 21 day reset cleansing and detoxification
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program since 2003 that over 12,000 people alone have been
through that program. You know, AWOL, a way of life,
you know, like, you know, which is a lifestyle program, you
know, like, like all, all the all this stuff.
It's, it's my entire life. It's it's not something, it's
not a joke to me. Yeah, it's not something you do
and then it's a jet set or, or going out where these people on
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the outside go. Oh, these cannabis people
probably just do whatever they want.
Like now they really are in the business.
They're in every part of it, every part of it.
Because, like he said, this is important.
What you do when people are saying that you're like, they
depend upon me and it's awesome because I mean, you're leaving a
legacy. You're, you've got formulations
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that you were working with team and and how you're being able to
prescribe exactly how to be as aggressive as you need to be or
when you need to taper off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah. I even just made a bunch of
protocols, like about a dozen ofthem for like cancer or chronic
pain, fibromyalgia, anxiety, sleeping stuff.
And I'm just just finalizing right now, I made these, like
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landing pages where people will be able to download them for
free. You know, there's just like
whatever condition, whatever condition they have, they could
download it and it has like, like how to how to ramp up, you
know, start small, ramp up each day and how and how much to
take, you know, you know, throughout the day and stuff
like that. That's fantastic.
Well, make sure we have those links there.
So you guys? Oh yeah, everybody, you'll have
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all the links to be able to. Yeah, we got to figure out how
to. We, we partner with you because
I mean, this is by far some of the coolest things that I've
heard in this space where CBD constantly is given this cure
all feel or, but it's a cure allfeel at like 25 milligrams a
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day. It's like you're what are you
getting? It's, it's like the same shit
they sell in GNC for kids who want to get buff.
And they're like, Oh yeah, take this powder and this powder.
This will make you retain water.This will make you feel bloated.
And yeah, take all these things,you'll look big.
But that's just, it's, it's feeding them full of nonsense,
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right? It's.
It's not giving them the real dosing that you need to do in
order to see something really come from your efforts.
And so with these protocols and you've obviously been able to
utilize it with yourself and many other people and you do
speaking gauge where you do speaking.
All all over, you know, a lot ofit's on the, you know, on the
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web now, you know, these days, but I'm going to be doing in in
November. There's and courtside Arizona,
there's this the international like truth truth movement or
something like that, or truth conference, like a bunch of
truthers, like the anti COVID. Oh, OK, and all those kind of
people are going to be there. So that's good.
So those guys are super famous. So maybe even on the same stage
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as them is going to be cool. So we just talked to the
organizer yesterday and so I'm going to be on there and have a
little presence there as well. So but you know, we do things
like that things, you know, in cannabis and then also just with
health and then that shruther thing, like I they really loved
me for some reason. Like I was spoke a couple years
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ago at the question everything conference, which was the same
kind of thing. Oh, cool.
Like it was it was like the mostattended speak.
I was the most attended speaker or whatever.
Dude. Interesting.
It was crazy because they were, they were, they were interested
in that because because everybody talks about the
problem, but nobody talks about solutions.
And that's what I have is solutions.
Well, it's, it's usually becauseyou have to reverse engineer it,
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right? You know that the, the solution
doesn't come because the CEO said, here's our quarterly
numbers. We need to create something new
to get that going up higher, right?
You're you, you went through this insanely horrible process
told as a kid like, hey, you gotglaucoma and you're like, all
right, I got glaucoma. And they're like, oh, he looks
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fine to me. The boy plays nothing wrong.
Let him go right? And then you get hit with this.
I think it's even more terrifying.
The story you got from what I'veheard from people who've lost
their sight, it's, it's absolutely horrifying, but you
got it back and then you lost itagain and then it took a long
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time to get it back to where it is now.
And so you're like, I don't playaround and you created multiple
systems going through going, OK,this works better than this.
If I pair it with this type of lifestyle, like you've really
put so much effort in being madesure that you were fixing your
own problem, which is usually when the best products I think
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that come out are and the best programs are those that are
created by reverse engineering because you were in some shit
and you needed to figure it out.Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah. The one, the one cool thing
about me is, is being like a ballistic health practitioner
even before you got did the cannabis oil.
So I was doing that for over a decade before that, right.
So I know how to work with variety of people that react
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differently. Even then then they react
differently than I do to certainthings, you know, so certain
people that like they discover like this worked for me and they
wanted to have everybody else doit.
They have like they're like a 1 trick pony, but I because they,
they weren't a holistic health practitioner before or any kind
of practitioner before. Like, I understand how things
react to certain different people and how to adjust, you
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know, when they have certain reactions to it, you know, so,
so it's a, that's why we have somuch success.
It's not just the product. The product's like bad ass.
But having that knowledge, you know, is super key as well, you
know, like understanding how people react to certain things
and how to how to adjust to it. If, if, if if something like
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doesn't work or works too well or whatever, you know, I don't
know if that makes sense, but. No, it does dude.
I mean, I'm comparing you to like a Formula One racer right
now. And the only reason why I'm
saying this, I watched this movie last night, Rush.
You've seen that one. It's about these two competitors
anyways. But the way you were talking
about that man made me think about how these drivers see
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everything like it. It's it, it becomes you're,
you're so in tune with it. It can't be just something you
passively do, right? Like everybody drives a car,
everybody makes CBD oil. But when you are in it for a
purpose, it totally changes everything.
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So sorry. I, you know, and I, I am not, I
mean, Brandon knows like right before I'm like, I'm ready to
hit him. I'm going to give this guy, you
know. I'm going to ask all these
questions, yeah. I'm going to get him and you
just start talking and I'm like,shit, you're not a snake oil
salesman. I'm so excited because I have no
questions and I'm going to just think him up and and that's
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cool. That's really cool because we,
we pride ourselves on making sure that we make those
connections and for our audiencebecause these are cannabis
consumer, over 70% of them use CBD daily.
I am just and if they're using it daily, are they using it
correctly? Are they using it for the dosing
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based on what's going on with them?
Do they get the benefits that they are actually needing out of
the product that they're using? Are they even dosing accurately
for what they're needing? Yeah, exactly.
They don't have the amount. Like if you went to the pharmacy
and you get that script and they're like, give me 90 days,
you're going to get a bunch of pill bottles, right?
I mean, they know they're dosingit for that.
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But when you're getting a tincture that's like 70 bucks
from who knows who, and you're like, Oh yeah, you know, Sally,
whatever her name, the movie star uses it and it did.
That doesn't work. Not in the cannabis world.
People go, it's something like that.
So Ben, let's love your story, brother.
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I really do. Thank you very much.
I, I really appreciate that. You know, and one, one of the
things that I'm sure you guys know too is that like like over
90%, like probably 90 to 90% of the especially CBD companies out
there, their stuff's white labeled, you know, they don't,
they don't do anything in the house.
They're just marketing companies.
Yeah, there's only just a few that actually produce their own.
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Like like our like our stuff costs like as we deal with as
far As for the for the hemp CBD side, we deal with farms that
they're that doesn't really matter, but they are USDA
organic certified and stuff likethat.
And it's like a Co-op of farms, 13 farms.
And, but yeah, like they, they grow like beyond, you know,
organic, biodynamic, all kinds of stuff.
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You know, it's, it's really super awesome.
But I pay them six to time, 6 to10 times more than than average
market price for my stuff. You know, like, you know, like
if, if something cost like $1.00a gram, I'm paying 6 to $10 a
gram for it. You know, like, just As for easy
math and, and, and it has to do with quality and purity.
You know, like I everything matters from the seed to the
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soil to, you know, it's a, it's nothing's done hydroponically.
Everything's in soil. But but like everything I call
it from soil to oil, you know, like everything matters.
It does because everything changes the whole process
through. And it changes such as the
quality, like, I mean, it's justlike anything on flower now.
Like that's why I think the the biggest change you could see
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from when you were first using cannabis to now is we've all
become can of snobs. I mean, I'm like, I don't know
what kind of strain is that? Where was it grown?
You know, I I want to know thosethings.
Somebody we talk about this all the time.
If somebody's like, hey, you want to do it like, yeah, what
do you got in there? Like, oh, I don't know, like
pass, I'm good. I don't.
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I don't need to fuck my day up with some swag weed.
Yeah, Al, when was the last timeyou were wrong about something
that you were sure of in this space?
I was wrong about I'm, I'm not sure because when I, when I
started the, you know, Mobila oil Company, I went for strictly
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oil and everybody tried to have me because they know how good I
am, you know, because of the organic foods that I would be
good with farming. And, and I was literally offered
farms and everything, you know, like, like, like, like you don't
have to do shit. Just fucking do your thing, you
know, and, and I refused all of it because I, I, I knew that,
that that flour was going to getcommoditized and oil was going
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to be the thing. So I went for that and, and I
was, and I was, and I was right about it, you know, because the
flour is commoditized now, you know.
Yeah. So, so I, I don't, I don't know,
I, I've and that's, and that's all I do, you know.
So I, I didn't try to do like a bunch of different things.
So I so I got that right and I was lucky so.
That's spot on. I mean, yeah.
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Like, like like before, you know, when, when it was scarce,
when I, when I, when I used to sell flour, you know, like like
through the 90s and early 2000s,you know, like like coast to
coast that that's flower was thething.
It was hard to get the bad ass shit.
And I was able to, you know, that I was able to lock down
growers and buy out their farms before they were even before
they even planted them, you know, and all kind of stuff, you
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know, so, so I had, so I had, I had lockdown on shit.
But, but, but, but there was so many people growing.
I was like when it when it became legal recreationally,
like screw that, you know? Yeah.
What was the biggest change you noticed it between the medical
market to your recreational market where you're at?
Right. Yeah.
And then the dispensaries changed, Yeah.
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Because especially in California, like before, when it
was all medical based, you walked in and there, there were,
you know, there were jars like this, you know, and they were
full of butt and, and, and, and you'd buy like an eighth or a
quarter or an ounce or whatever.And it was all bad ass stuff.
It was, it wasn't like, you know, it was freshly grown.
And I just pull it out and they'd weigh it there right in
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front of you. You could pick it up.
You could, you could touch it. You could smell it.
And and you can't do that now, you know, but none of that.
Sometimes you can't even see theweed.
It's in the, you know, everybody.
Yeah. Yeah, I remember.
It's crazy. Even shopping Colorado's
recreational market when I firstwould go out prior to COVID time
when I used to I used to try to Denver or wherever they'd do the
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same thing. They'd pull out the jar it's all
in jars they'd way out in front of you.
You could smell it. I wouldn't but wasn't able to
hold it, but I could smell it. I could see it like they'd what
do you want to smell? What do you I'm curious about
this one. They'd pull down the jar.
Here, smell this one I. Remember that when we were like
to dinosaurs. A whole different experience now
like you said, and then you're getting these all I wanted this.
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OK, well, that's everything's pre packaged.
It's in glass. It's already sealed.
Like where you're at, everything's already sealed,
whether it's an eighth, a quarter or an ounce.
Like you order it off of the iPad and yeah, there might be a
display case out with little things that you could see some
of it, but you don't get it's not the same experience.
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It's nothing like it used to be.Yeah, and and today they almost
felt like they're like they're doing you a favor or something
by giving you by selling you weed or.
Something right? Yeah, I.
Heard Heard one of your podcasts?
You only have like 13. Yeah, 13 across the state.
And because of the way our stateis done, there's I-15 that runs
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North and South down the center of the state, and all of them
are right along that. Now because of the law here,
you're not allowed to grow your own.
And originally when the people put in the law and we put, there
was enough signatures to put it in for the ballot initiative on
Prop 2, they had that you could home grow if you were more than
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100 miles from any pharmacy. But then because the Evan
Vickers, he's one of the largestprofiteers of opiates or
pharmaceuticals in the state of Utah, while he's also a
legislature and has big hands inthat he went through and him and
the Mormon church kind of swayedand a lot of other businesses
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swayed to pull that out and change a lot of the wording and
phrasing that was allowed there.So now there's no flame to
flower because Utah is weird andspecial and they've got fear
that smoking it will bring Satanor is bad for your lungs or
something. It's.
Too related to cigarettes. Yeah.
So whatever they, they have a thing around that, but they
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changed all of it. And so it went from Prop 2 to
there. So we've got.
So much nicer. Yeah, a handful of dispensaries
right down I-15, but there's tons of people all in rural Utah
away, away from any of that far away who have no access to it.
And even in Utah County, which probably has half a million
people in Utah County, more thanhalf a million.
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No, because we've got a bunch ofbigger cities now, probably
close to 1,000,000 people in Utah County.
They pulled one of the few dispensaries up to Salt Lake
County because they thought they'd get better sales up
there. But because of the way the
licenses and the restrictions are set up, well, we can't have
just another pharmacy pop up or come here because there's only
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restricted number of licenses. So that means that this county
is just down to more dispersed ones that are further.
Away. Now they have to drive 90
minutes. To get to a pharmacy to get
their medication, like it's justa very we, we have a very screwy
medical program here still that they are a lot of fearful people
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who don't understand cannabis are on the board for cannabis to
control probably like most states, how everything goes.
And so it's ridiculous because we go into the discussions and
it's a lot of fear on like, oh, we need to control the names.
We need to change the names because the names that are out
there are just. Kids might like it.
You're the new kid on the block.Why do you feel like you should
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have a change or a hand in the naming of any strain that has
been around for centuries, not just?
Your I understand on some of them like Alaskan Thunderfuck.
I get it. Yeah, they get offended.
They choose to be offended by that.
I mean if if you have it in a good.
I've only had that in a pen. I've always wanted to try that
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flower. You you ever tried that before
Al? Oh yeah, Like back, back, way,
way back in the day. ATF.
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that stuff was really
good for sure. Yeah, I don't know.
I love that. It's very interesting.
If someone were to come to you and just say, hey, Al, you're
just another guy selling hope ina bottle, how do you respond?
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You're right. more than I thought I would.
Oh. Yeah, dude, that's awesome,
because that's all it is, right?I mean, it's faith and hope.
If you, if you really are going to try to do something to make a
change, you can't just dip your toe in.
You really got to get in there because there's no change made
with tiny little steps. Yeah, I like like with those
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protocols, especially with the cancer ones, like like like I
have videos that go along with them and explain the protocol
and and it's literally like you have to be a fucking warrior
that and and and and know that you're going to beat this shit.
If you don't have that attitude,then you may as well not even do
this. You know, like you said, you
don't tip your toe in the water and like don't like explore all
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avenues and all this kind of stuff.
You know, like like follow like 10 different protocols.
You follow a protocol from somebody has like things that
are proven to work, you know, and and and and do it go all in.
You know, it's the same thing with business, right?
Like you don't follow, you know,10 different business.
Guys all at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You'll just, you'll never go anywhere, you know, as good as
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he's putting it around in circles.
So you follow one guy's stuff, get get the benefit, go to the
other, you know, whatever. If you don't get the benefit, go
to someone else, whatever. But you know, like follow
protocols, you know, and be patient, persistent and
consistent with your efforts. You know that that's what that's
that's how you get better, you know?
I like that that that is something that really needs to
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be said, especially for those who are using it beyond just
more as a supplement, you know, which is that's awesome.
That's so awesome. But when you're, you're making a
big change, you've tried a lot of other things.
I mean, you're meeting a lot of desperate people that are like,
I've got, I got nothing. This is what they told me.
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's crazy because because like you said,
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like a lot of the people that come to me for, for whatever
reason, they're, they're older because I'm 59 years old, right?
So, you know, so I, I, you know,I tracked that age group, I
guess, you know, and maybe a little bit older too.
But but they're, they're scared of cannabis, you know, when,
when they, by the time they cometo me like they've, they've gone
through everything and I'm almost, almost the last hopes a
lot of times, like you said, and, and it's, it's sort of
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sucks because if they come to you earlier, then it's easier
time, you know, for everybody. Would you say that's probably by
far the most difficult thing is the education?
Yeah, that's why I have the YouTube channel, you know,
because with all the, I have a ton of RSO videos and you know,
some of like like 30-40 thousandviews and stuff like that.
It's not a time. But for cannabis, it is, you
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know. Yeah, it is.
We know all about that. Or like, you know, we'll tell
people our stats about our podcast and they're like, Oh
yeah. And we're like, no, it's just in
the cannabis market. And they're like, oh, OK, yeah,
OK, that makes sense. Yeah.
Then they go, oh God, I'm like, we're taking a small niche
market and we're we're really right at the top.
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So it's so it's it's crazy. It's so crazy.
Yeah, it is. I don't know, Al.
If you were to leave one thing with our audience today, what
would that be? If you're going to be using
cannabis to try to overcome a chronic condition for yourself
or for a loved one, make sure that you go to someone that has
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proven success, like a proven quality of oil.
And then either that person or go to another person, like a
cannabis caregiver that has protocols that have been proven
to work. And when you like, when I say
proven to work, like for instance, with a, with cancer,
try to talk to the people that they've helped, right?
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Because when you do that with doctors, they can't do that
because the people are dead. So if you could talk to, if
they, if they have living peoplethat they can talk to you, you
know, then, then then they're golden.
But yeah, quality oil quality protocols.
And, and they can get all these,they can order oils from you
directly, correct? Yeah, yeah, they there's and and
they could schedule consultations from the home,
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from the home page of the website, you know, for free like
that. There's there's links that's.
So cool, we'll make sure we haveall the links below.
Yeah, so. Hey Al, thank you so much for
coming on the show, having a sesh with us, learning about
you. Such a cool story man, such a
cool story. Thank you so much and and thank
you to all the listeners. Yeah, enjoy your day, man.
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This is a blast. Thanks for coming on the show.
All right, everybody go and check out the links down below.
Catch you next week. Yeah, take care.
I'm Brandon. And I'm.
Jesse we're cannabis school having cannabis infused
conversations with everyday people, cannabis companies,
celebrities and your mom. Welcome to the Sash.
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It's, you know, honestly, it's like one of those it's it's
almost too good to be true. So we want to dive into it.
We really want to learn more about like his journey, what
he's gone through, his experiences, and ultimately
where his life has gotten him totoday.
So that you out there could go, man, maybe that's something
(00:47):
that's gone on with me or that'sthat's nuts.
I need to learn more about that.So ow, thank you so much for
coming to join us here on the show.
Tell us, how long have you been using cannabis?
Yeah, thank you for having me onthe show.
And I've been using cannabis since 1987, since I was since I
was 21 years old. Oh damn, the year I was born.
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Yeah, wow. That's a long time.
That's a long time to be consuming cannabis.
So what's been, what's been likethe, the biggest change that
you've seen within the cannabis world from from early on to now,
I mean, other than legalization?Yeah, that thing, yeah.
And the, the, all the availability of it, you know,
'cause back then, you know, 'cause I 'cause I was involved
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like, you know, in, in, in the industry, heavy duty for years
and years and years. And like the availability like
you only have green bud, like during Christmas season, you
know, basically. After harvest.
Yeah, like like October, November through like depending
on how much people grew to like March, you know, maybe, you
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know, maybe April or May. And then you'd have the, the
dirt weed, you know, the brick weed, you know, through the,
through the summer and try to, you know, wait, wait for the
fall again, you know, biggest thing.
That's rough. That sounds like it would be a
kind of a a brutal experience. But it was, it was, it was
right. So you was just like, hey, this
is what we know we got during this time and it was something
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you look forward to around the fall time.
But still, it'd be great if it was year round.
Yeah, yeah. So we're gonna jump a little bit
into kind of your story with it.When you were, how old was it
that they found markers for Glaucone?
When I was in 6th grade, yeah, they said yeah, they said you
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have the Marcus glaucoma and you'll probably go blind one day
because there is no cure. Yeah, that's in 6th grade
though. That's a very young age to.
Yeah, I'm wondering, like, I mean, were your parents super
involved? I mean, my parents were boomers
and you know, they, they were, they were involved as much as
they could, latchkey kid and allthat.
But were your parents pretty involved about that?
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Was it scary for your mom? For your father?
We never talked about it. Sounds right.
Yeah. And then, yeah, they were born
in the 20s, you know, and yeah, I'm, I'm 59 and in the 70s,
that's what I thought. That was the 70s, right?
There was no, no Internet, no nothing, you know, Like the
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doctor just told me about it andthat was it.
You know, I, I, I didn't really,you know, go to the library and.
Search in the encyclopedia to learn more about it.
Yeah, if that, yeah. I didn't do that because they
they said it would wouldn't happen till I was like later on
in life, you know, way later. So.
So when was later on in life when you started to notice that
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vision started to change? Well, when I was in my, when I
was exactly 30 years old, you know, I went to the, you know,
for my yearly checkup or whatever and the doctor said
your glaucoma is active now and you'll probably go blind one day
because there is no cure. Same exact story.
How long from 30 was it till youstarted noticing that you
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actually couldn't see anymore? I started losing it in my
probably went in my early 40s, yeah.
And then it started, you know, like as I went into my 40s, it
started, you know, losing it more rapidly.
You know, like the, the, the wayglaucoma works is, is you lose
your peripheral vision and it goes into like a tunnel vision.
And at the same time there's things like where lights turn
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into like these starbursts, likea crazy disco show, like the,
the old ladies that wear those, those welding shades.
That's why they wear, that's whythey wear them, because they
can't have light come in at any point or else it'll be just like
like this crazy like like Starburst of.
Laser light show for. Looking through a windshield
with no windshield wipers on in the rain, just sitting on.
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Them with like lights coming towards you, yeah.
Super disorienting, like my vision's going a little bit and
I'll notice that far away lightsare kind of like they look like
stars like in paintings. But the the what you're
describing, it's just any light coming in.
It's so distorting and so disorienting.
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Yep, Yep. And then there's like fog that
happens in some people and like like there's a holes like Swiss
cheese like where you see here but you can't see here.
There's a bunch of different things that happened.
I went through all of it and then I went blind, you know?
So you can blind, blind, you gotit to the point where you're
talking about that tunnel vision, got to that point where
you can really even function. Yeah, yeah, in, in my right eye,
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I went, I went completely blind and I, you know, I started
leaving it in my left and, and Iwas able to get my figure out
how to get my eyesight back. And so I could see pretty much,
you know, full fielded vision inmy left eye.
And my right eye has probably about 60% like where, where I
could see like like some of the peripheral vision out here and
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from up here and stuff like isn't, isn't there.
But I passed my driver's test like 2 years ago when I moved
from California to Arizona. And I, I was scared about that,
you know, and they, they gave melicense until 2030.
That's impressive like that you have that far back, so you lost
it totally out of one eye. Was it totally gone out of both
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eyes? No, it was.
It was like compromised in my left eye and totally gone in my
right. Was that frightening?
It was totally frightening. Yeah.
Oh, oh, oh, it's crazy. And people like people around
you don't know how to react to you because like, you know, like
you're, you're still like, lookslike you and you look healthy,
but you're, you just can't see and, and like it's, it's like.
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Did you have like a cane and allthat?
Did you have to Start learning all of this?
At least you started going into that going OK, I guess this is
my life. Or, well, what were you?
I mean, you had sight in one eye.
Yeah. He wasn't using a cane.
But it really distorted your perception of the world around
you, Right? Yeah, yeah.
And and like the like the story I say is sort of like a quick
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story, but the way it actually happened is in 2013, like I was
losing my eyesight really bad and going and had hardcore
migraines too. Like like there's one has one
glaucoma has pain and one doesn't when it's like the
silent thief. I have the one that has pain and
I went into daily migraines. It was like sucked right.
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And I found out about a Rick Simpson oil that had been trying
everything and I was like from 30 to about 47 years old. 47 is
when I found the Rick Simpson oil.
And I was like, hey, like researching it, you know,
because I do research really well and suffer cancer and, you
know, chronic pain or whatever, but nothing for glaucoma.
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And I was like, OK, well, the first person that got the OK
from federally, from the federalgovernment in 1977 in the United
States was for glaucoma. So I was like, maybe this will
work, you know, and 'cause I 'cause I was always
neuropathists with herbs, you know, before and now with the
oils. So I did the oils for about 3
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years. And like the the first night,
the first night that I did it, I, I woke up the next day
without a headache, right? That with no migraine.
And so I was like, if I could just have that, I'll, I'll
continue to do it. And that's what, you know, So I
did it every day, you know, fromthen on.
And that's what enabled me to figure out how to save my
eyesight. So at that point, I was just
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getting it from other people. And I was able to stop it from
advancing and not really make itbetter.
And then they started fucking upbasically and making bad oil.
It wasn't therapeutically activeanymore, but it still got you
high. It it looked like Rick Simpson
oil and it still got you high. So I thought like.
It's working I'm. Done, I'm done.
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You know, it's not, it's not, it's not going to work for me
anymore. And, and, and then I figured out
that they were just like like overclicking it or doing, you
know, whatever, taking out the therapeutic benefits of it.
So I had and I, and I started going blind right away.
I, I I like it was crazy, like way quicker than previously than
the three years before. And my friend worked for open
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and vape, which was in Colorado.It was like the biggest oil
company at the time and he was the California Rep and I was
like, I was like, Hey, I don't know what to do.
Like I these these guys oil, whatever and is is not good.
And he's like, hey, I'm at Target right now, which he was,
he was about 1/2 hour from my house.
He goes, he goes, come meet me. I'm, I'm buying something for my
(09:20):
daughter for her birthday. But you need, you need my shit,
you know, to come over and meet me in the parking lot and like
he just hooked me up with all these syringes and you know,
like, like big pens and all kinds of stuff.
I was like, it just like a wholelike being full.
And he goes, whatever, if you need more, whatever.
And I just, and I started getting my, my vision back that
way. But their oil was OK.
And then I started making it myself.
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And then and what's what I call it, But during that process is
when I, when I went blind. So I was so I was blind for
about like a two weeks or something like that, you know,
and. It was the hardest thing for you
in going blind for those two weeks, so it was the biggest
aside from just being blind. Oh, everything.
I mean you. How you felt?
Like, you know, brushing your teeth.
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What was that emotional change that shifted?
Like, what was different emotionally for you?
Well. While being scared that this one
was going to go blind quickly, you know, because like, because,
like, because, like it was like,holy shit, because, because,
like I would just always check because you always check when
you have glaucoma, when you're starting to lose your eyesight,
you'll like wake up and you'll check and you know, like
throughout the day, like your good eye, your bad eye,
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whatever. And so I would always, I was
just always checking like is thejoke over, you know, like is
over. And when I, when I, when I was
able to get the material to makemy own RSO, I just started like
macro dosing that shit. You know, I I just like taking
like grammar more a day and and and then.
Cancer patient style. And yeah, and then as soon as
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like, which would call it what one one day I walked, it was
like 1 AMI walked into my, my little Home Office, you know,
and I looked at the computer screen and there was like a
video on there. And I covered my, my good eye,
you know, to see if I could see anything.
And I saw shadows, like I didn'tsee anything.
It is like these little grey shadows.
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And I was like, I know I'm goingto get my eyesight back now.
And I just started like, like, like, you know, doing everything
right, like eating right, everything, you know, like,
like, like, you know, and just taking those massive amounts.
And I slowly got it back. I actually did the first like
100 days of it. I made, I made a video everyday
documenting the progress becauseit was things were changing
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daily, you know, getting my eyesight back.
I called the glaucoma hoe. Do you?
What is your dose today to manage and maintain that same
level of eyesight for high visibility?
It's it's high, it's 600 to 1000milligrams a day.
Wow. OK, Yeah, yo, that's a good
amount. Yeah.
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No, you you said something therethat I really want to emphasize
this. So you said you started changing
your life, you started to eat, right?
What does that mean? It is well, I, I'm, I'm in
health and well, this, you know,so, and I've written programs
and books on how to eat well. So it's just 80 things that
aren't, that don't have a bunch of toxins, they'll process foods
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and things like that, you know, and I actually even, I even
stopped drinking, you know, all those kinds of things.
But like I do like organic foods.
I'm, I'm all plant based now. I have been since 2003, you
know, so over 20 years. And so like, you know, so
organic, biodynamic foods, like beyond organic and stuff like
that, you know, like super foods, you got really heavy into
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the Super food movement, you know?
Yeah, so that makes sense. So both you know, your, your
compounded your, your formula that you've been creating and
living a healthy lifestyle. I mean, you started seeing
shadows. You must have been like going.
Back, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It was super, super awesome. Yeah, definitely.
One other thing that I take that's really awesome is too is
this stuff called Sheila Jeet. Yeah, I've heard of that.
Yeah, it's a mineral and I actually.
Tell me, Cheek. A liquid form of it as it comes.
It's a tar, yeah, like the substance from the Himalayas.
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It's plant based matter that's have been compressed over
thousands of years and it's basically all 85 minerals and
trace elements, plus this stuff called humic acid and fulvic
acid, which is super awesome foryou.
And it helps to make the minerals 100% bioavailable.
So you could, you know, uptake them into your body and utilize
them for good. All of them and, and and other
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other new genes as well. But like minerals, everybody is
mineral deficient and like like it's like the Shila G Ayurvedic
master said it gives you life force energy, you know, over
thousands of years, whatever in in their scripts, but it's been
proven in clinical studies to increase the health of your
mitochondria, right? So, so, so cell function like
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like that, like your mitochondria is the energy
powerhouse of your cell. So for people that have any kind
of malfunction, like like like me, you know, they have like
auto auto that kind of things, yeah.
And then people like with cancer, like cancer, they say
like is a malfunction in your mitochondria.
So that's why this stuff's awesome, but, and I made it
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actually developed a, a liquid form of it because usually this
tar and it's, it's even harder to deal with.
It looks almost exactly like RSO, like like this black tar.
But it's, it's really hard to get out of the jar and deal
with. And people like with cancer and
rheumatoid arthritis and people that have glaucoma that have,
they can't see well that are in the later stages, it's harder
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for them to deal with that. So I just made a tincture for
them to this crystal activated water.
That's cool. So if all your products
disappeared tomorrow, the oils, the websites, your formulations,
who would al be? In three days to four days I go
into daily migraines and chronicpain.
That was a power lifter. So I have like other issues that
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I used to have, but I don't haveany more.
And then within a week I go blind.
A week. That's crazy.
So so I so I'll be blind and curled up in a bed and pain.
Within a week. So take me to that moment when
you were first like looking at acomputer screen, looking at
covering at your good eye and seeing shadows.
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How long was it from that time till when you actually felt like
you had full visit like to whereyou're at now?
What was that journey like? Well, like I mentioned, I did
like 100 videos and 100 days andit probably took about a year
somewhere around there. It's.
Quite a journey. I, I, I, I guess, yeah.
It's not like where you just take it like some people like
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you'll take CBD or RSO or whatever, you know and like
their anxiety goes away like that or.
Yeah. My, my back pain's gone.
It's like with, with, with glaucoma, it's like you try, you
try to stop it. Yeah, you know, first from
advancing more. Yeah.
Then you try to slowly get it better and it's, it's a bitch.
Like because one time in 20/18/2017 or 2018 18, I was
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working with a farm in Colorado and they, they sent my material
set to make the RSO to the wrongaddress.
And, and then it was stolen fromthat address and, and I, and I
didn't have anything. I was out and I didn't know who
to go to. So I I was literally driving to
the farm in Colorado from California and going blind at
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the same time, you know? There's the.
Material to make it riot and it was crazy and so I I actually
went blind again and and sick because I had forgotten that the
macro dosing part of it. So I was just doing like 400
milligrams here and there and I couldn't get my eyesight back
and I was like, what the fuck isgoing on?
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And then, and then after like 5 or 6 months, I finally figured
it out because like I, I went tothe Home Depot.
I was up in Hollywood, CA and I went to Home Depot on Sunset
Blvd. one day and I was a bit bit like my right eye was gone
and I'm in the elevator and all of a sudden my left eye like
just went into these shimmers like and it was and it was like
I was looking at this poster andI and I couldn't see out of
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either eye and I and I was just standing there and at Home Depot
like they're gonna help you. I'm good.
You know, like finally I startedlike coming back, you know, a
little bits where I made it home, you know, but and I was
like, wait a minute and I started thinking and I'm like,
Oh yeah, I used to do like a gram, you know, a day and stuff
like that. So I started doing that and it
and it came back, but it took like at that time it took two
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years to. Get it back from that stage.
So yeah, to what it was before. That's quite a while.
How high do you think? Like were you pretty elevated
when you jumped to 406 hundred agram a day of a SO?
Do you feel like you were prettyfloaty out of your body for a
while? As far as the the the high kind
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of thing. Yeah.
How was that high for you? When I first started, like back
in 2013, when I first started taking it, it affected me hard
for like, like, you know, like five years later, you know, 10
years later it's, it's, you know, it doesn't affect me as as
much, you know, at all. Pretty mild.
You can go do a full days of stuff on a gram or like
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throughout your normal day like.Chugging a little tainter
bottle. Yeah, yeah, 'cause I, yeah,
'cause I do like 200 milligrams at a time, like like five times
a day. OK, Yeah.
Kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I, I right, right,
right now it's three to five times like 600 to 1000, yeah,
milligrams. But PRN but, but when I first
started, like just that little because, because it was in the
syringes, I, I, I put it into capsules and tinctures to make
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it easy for people and so they could do exact doses.
But, but, but I was getting in the syringes and that little
grain of rice thing that you hear about, you know, like to
start off with, I get blew me out.
Like I, I've been driving and all of a sudden, like, I got
pulled over, you know, like, yeah.
You're like, I'm in space. Oh shit, I need to park.
Yeah. It was funny.
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So now it's pretty on that side,the psychoactive side, it's
almost negligible. Yeah, it just makes it, it, it,
it just grounds me, you know? Yeah, that's why that's why I
love cannabis so much. It's because like it, it centers
me, you know, like it, it. If I, before I started smoking
marijuana, I would get like angry and stuff like that really
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easy. And, you know, like, and when I,
when I was able to start smokingmarijuana, then it helped me,
like, to calm down before I haveto listen to like, a Pink Floyd
album or something, you know? Yeah.
Only one? Wow, sometimes I'm 3 or 4.
Yeah, no, definitely. You just, you know, and it's
cool too because like even if I don't get a smoke that day or
for a few days, like it doesn't put me in a bad place.
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I'm still me. I've just learned how to be able
to taper myself back. Like I don't need to get mad
about stupid shit all the time. It just.
You know, it's like my old man, he's, he's always upset.
He's always upset and like, why are you upset?
He's like I. Don't know, there's always
something to be mad at you. Need to smoke some weed?
You know. But that definitely like it's
it. No, man, I love that and I and I
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feel for you man, because that'sand it and it's awesome that you
recognize like the therapeutic amount is not going to be on the
bottle for something like this. Like this is aggressive that you
went after it and and with that.So you created this product.
You have you have several different products, but you
created this Rick Simpson oil. When did you start just start
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thinking about selling it to other people?
Well, when I, when those guys started messing up the
formulation and, and I had to start making it myself, that's
when. And it was right before it went
legal recreationally in California, you know, and it was
still just, you have to still have the card.
And I would have preferred it state like that, you know,
because things that got weird after that, but but yeah, right,
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right then because I, I, I knew I had to start the company
because I couldn't risk having somebody else make it for me and
start messing up again. Because because I don't want to
go blind and go through that year, year long process again,
you know, so, so I started, so Ihad a necessity.
I started the cannabis company. I've had my fit life since 2001,
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right. And then Movida is the cannabis
company and Movida is Spanglish for more life, right?
Because I couldn't get what I wanted for for my fit life.
I could help other people get healthy, but I couldn't help
myself. And then I will be the, you
know, was that was what I needed.
And here we are today. Dude, that's cool.
I like that. I like that story too, and
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that's a good name. That's a really good name.
I love those like those I. Literally thought it.
I thought it up on the way home from the, from my meeting my
friend at that Target parking lot because I was like, because
like, I'm, I'm getting material,but I, I need oil now, you know,
like I need a ton of it. You know, it's all, we're the
biggest oil manufacturers in theUnited States.
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We'll, we'll supply you all you need.
You know, I talked to the CEO, you know, of the company and,
and, but like later on, but likeon my, on my way home from
there, I was like, Nah, I, I gotto start a company.
What's the name of the company? I thought it up on the way home.
Dude, that's awesome, that's awesome.
I love that and it's so how the the company you in your story,
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you develop this over 17 years, which you've taken us pretty
much through that where it was just this whole long process
over there. Then you spent four years
developing other products. You've got it out there.
You have a claim over there of 12,000 people that you've been
able to help. Tell us a couple of the stories
that really stood out to you. OK, so one of them is this woman
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named Patty. She came to me.
I was speaking at because I've never and I've never done
advertisements like you know, soI was just just customers
through speaking engagements andstuff.
So I was speaking at this like asort of like a CrossFit style
gym in Cypress, CA. And there was this woman, you
know, in the audience. She had a scarf on her head and
she had a, you know, a friend with her.
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After the seminar was over, she came up to me and said, hey,
I've, I've watched all your videos, all those Oklahoma Hope
videos and I know you could helpme.
She goes, I, I and I found out she had stage 4 cancer,
pancreatic cancer, which is likethe most hardcore cancer there
is. Inoperable sent home with two
months to live, right. And so she goes, I know you
could help me. And she was, she had a smile on
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her face, you know, and I was like, and it's frail, but smile
on her face. And I was like, I'll, I'll do,
I'll do my best. You know, I can't, you know, I
can't guarantee anything, but I'll do my absolute best to help
you. And you know, so Gabriel, you
know, so I have a high CBD version that I created, you
know, so people take it during the day and not get high and
they could take it high T2 version at night.
So she enjoyed that version better and, and, and only did
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that version and, and, and the syllogy and this other stuff
called MSM and, and some food protocols.
And Fast forward about 8 months like so she, you know, survived
past the two months, right? And she goes to the doctor with
her daughter because her daughter was sick.
And the doctor says, who are you?
And she goes, I'm Patty. And he goes, I thought you were
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dead, you know, like, and so here, you know.
That's so fucked up. Put away.
I thought you were dead. Shit, I should have been billing
you. Oh.
I wrote that off. Oh damn it.
Wow. So he, yeah.
So he actually took that as an opportunity to put her on, put
her on some more medication and and whatever.
But but she was able to overcomeand live a vibrant life.
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I had her friend that took her there that day, like in 2023,
like five years later, because that was 2018.
And in 2023, I received this e-mail from her friend saying,
Hey, you know, I'm Patty's friend, you know, and you that
day that I met you, you know, I,I didn't know if you're, if she
was going to be able to get any help, but she did.
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And thank you so much. She goes because you didn't just
make her survive. He helped her to thrive.
I was able to go out with her, go to the movies, go to dinner.
I have my friend back. Thank you so much.
And I was like, oh, these tears coming down, all that kind of.
It's, it's crazy to see the impact that it can drastically
have on people's lives. There's someone even that we've
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helped get access to edibles. She's got crazy bone spurs all
up and down her spine and stuff.And she went from.
Feeling on Hospice? And feeling like she was on the
way out, no quality of life, no movement, and not to where now
she's actually moving, smiling, laughing, doing stuff like her
son she's liking. Around.
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She's got a life like he's got amom again, versus just he's
taking care of someone who's about to pass, you know, and
it's, it's a whole different experience to gain that quality
of life. Yeah, and the other thing, what
I love about your story, man, because I'm going to tell you
the truth though, I came with guns loaded.
I'm like another guy telling me CBD stories, motherfucker.
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And what I got was this awesome story of, hey, you want to make
a change, you're going to have to be as aggressive as what's
coming after your life. And you can't take it lightly.
You know, when, for instance, your price points, Because the
price points for me, I was just like, because we've met all
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those guys. We've met a bunch of like, yeah,
it's a good product, but that's a lot of money.
You're asking for it. But I love this because it
doesn't just come with that partwhen working with your company
and Movida, both companies, right?
But there's a a synergistic pattern there.
You didn't just send her off with like, here's some oil.
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Best of luck. Don't worry.
Put it on auto ship. Like you gave her a protocol.
You understood that this is not something that just like you
said before, you're like, oh, I had a little CBD.
My back pain's gone. Like, yeah, whatever.
You know that that was just likea strained muscle.
You know, you want to talk aboutback pain, talk about this guy,
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you know, with a cracked disc and every day sitting, standing
doesn't matter. It's it's pain.
And so I. Feel like mine's mild in
comparison to so many other people.
I'm like, way worse shit. Mine just bad for me, you know?
And for people who have less chronic pain than I do, yeah.
But I mean, this woman comes to you.
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She's in so much inflammation, so much pain, and they prescribe
her no hope. And you're like, hey, we'll give
it a try. And I love that because you
understand that everybody's endocannabinoid system is
different. It'll respond differently.
But if you go aggressive and youtake your story, I mean, I'd be
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like, yeah, constantly. I, I, I would see like a
doomsday bunker full of oil thatyou would have going, yeah, I
just put this shit, a spigot right here and I just pour it.
And I, because I mean, you know,that makes sense because
realized, you know, it's like the rest of us going, oh, that's
a lot of, well, how much water do you drink a day?
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How much soda do you drink a day?
Like how many bags of chips do you eat a day?
Yeah, exactly right. And it's like when you're
talking about excess, like excess isn't necessarily this
something to skirt away from. When something is strong coming
at you, man, you got to meet it head on.
You can't do it, like, stop it because that's what they're
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doing. When you're taking these small
doses and not understanding thatyou got to go after it, like,
like what chemotherapy would do.It's hardcore.
It just kills everything, though, right?
This is, yeah, awesome. I mean, you got another one.
I call it doing a doing a full frontal assault right, you know,
like because they're they're warriors either trying to take
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you down and the medical thoughtis the least effective dose
because their their their stuff is so fucked up.
All right, you know, it gives usso many side effects, but you
know, cannabis only has side benefits, right?
So that's, that's why we could do the back Rd. dosing.
But yeah, there's, there's this one woman, I, I just thought of
her. I haven't thought of her in a
long time, but she was in Gardena, CA and she had like a
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leukemia and, and you know, like, like later stages and
stuff like that. And we have like a cannabis
caregiver that works with me was, was giving her the
protocols and stuff like that togo.
And, and this caregiver is so friggin awesome.
Like she actually goes to the people's houses.
If the people want to go to the like the hospital to get
surgery. She, she's in the, she's in the
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surgery with them making sure their wishes are, you know,
taken care of. We actually got Movida on the on
the chart as to give it doses for the and shit like that.
But this woman in in Gardena, she started having like along
with the leukemia anal leakage, right.
So she has tried to have to weardiapers and shit and like, like
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she lost all herself respect. She says I'm not leaving the
house anymore. I'm I don't want to have an
accident while I'm out in the market or somewhere else.
I can't do that to myself. And so she was just depressed in
her house. She started taking our, the,
the, the again, the highest CBD version of our RSO and in, in
like in less than 30 days, her anal leak had stopped And
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they're, and they told her that there, there is no cure for
that. I thought that the doctor said
there is no cure. You're going to be like that for
the rest of your life. And she, she overcame her
leukemia and did all, all that good shit, you know, but, but,
but, but I, but like, I'm, I'm sort of used to those stories
now that not everybody has success, you know, obviously,
but we have, we have a good majority that do but, but what
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happened to her? Like, like, like the like the
self respect that she got back. Like I'm able to leave my house
now. I'm able to, I have to bring my
dignity back. All this stuff like like, like
that was so powerful. It was amazing.
And it was, and it was unexpected too.
Like, like, I didn't think it would help that, you know, but
it did. That's such a cool story.
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I mean, you know, usually it does it goes to cancer, but but
you went from leukemia to anal leakage.
And for me, all I was thinking I'm like, dude, that would be
horrible. That'd be a shitty experience,
no pun intended. But I mean, you couldn't you?
You would literally have to get rubber furniture.
Yeah. And yeah.
Or like wear diapers and all thetime as an adult, like you know
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that that's not got to be like you said, the the respect that
you lose almost for yourself. You need to have more respect
just getting a colostomy bag at that point because it's like,
what's and then what quality of life is that?
That's amazing because it's so cool to know that you have
protocols that you put in place.It's not just something you sell
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off the shelf like this is prescribed.
You're looking at it based off of the evidence that you've been
able to see. And, and I love what you said,
man. You're like, it doesn't work for
everybody. Exactly.
Cannabis is not a miracle cure, but it should be definitely
explored because he just have somany great accounts of things
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like that. That's that's one thing.
One thing that we do too is like, since you're talking about
that, we do free consult. I do free consultations and
develop protocols for the peoplethat, you know, that have the
conditions because we don't, we don't have any like recreational
stuff over here. Everybody that every, every
client we have, it has has some kind of condition going on.
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So they, they get their protocols.
If they need adjustments for their protocol, they, they do
consultations again and we do that for free.
And, and when they overcome, then you go into a maintenance
phase. So the situation doesn't come
back, right? And then we help from the lower
end of that dosage too, you know, because, you know, like
with cancer, you don't do 1000 milligrams for the rest of your
life. You know, you, you, you, you
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overcome the situation, you know, and at certain points you
could even go down into 600 to 800 with them and maintenance to
go down to like 100 to 200 milligrams, you know, depending
on who you are and how you reactto it.
Do you ever feel like you are walking a tightrope between
Healer and Hustler? No.
Cool. I was like, I know the cannabis
space is kind of. Yeah, yeah, you got a lot of
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sheisty people in there who, I mean, our biggest complaint of
whenever we want to like sponsoror work with a company, we're
just like, dude, they've I'm notgoing to trust them if they
don't understand or use cannabis.
Like, I mean, it means that we're being very biased and and
a bit racist in a way non cannabis user get away from me.
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But I mean, you know what I mean?
It's. I'm the same way because it is.
It is incredible the amount of people in the cannabis industry
like CEO's of cannabis companiesthat.
Don't even touch it. Don't they don't smoke?
Yeah, it's crazy. They're just corporate guys.
Like I've been offered like, like, you know, like investment,
like all kinds of stuff, like like the $1,000,000 investment,
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like like several times, over a dozen times.
And I just throw their shit in the trash can say like what,
what can you do for my business besides money?
Because because we can get moneyfrom anywhere.
Like like, like what can you do to help grow my business?
And they can never answer the question.
You know, it's like, fuck you guys or.
They can always throw more moneyat it.
That's usually what they're goodat is like, hey, we've got
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money. Money solves problems.
Just you figure it out. Here's some money.
I got like, I had some like thisfriend, her and her partner,
they, they, they did a so like, and she was a really good maker
of RSO. You know, because I, I extract,
I formulate, I do everything right.
So she did so well and, and they, they gave her, I forget
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what it was like 17 million or something.
So, you know, to, to buy into her company and she like she had
the dreadlocks, really beautifulgirl, you know, and she just
became like this showpiece. And I got that shows they took
away the RSO just started doing vapes and dabs and stuff.
And she had no control over the business.
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And I, I got after I saw that I was like, no way.
I'm keeping up. I'm keeping with control, you
know, so even now, like with theeven the the grow situations,
all the over hybridization, you know, that's going on like like
so we even started with the withwith the high THC stuff.
We do all the grow in house now,you know, because so we have
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like heirloom variety strains, like these old, old, old school
strains. Like.
Yeah, supposedly never been hybridized ever.
You know, it's like the purest indica, which basically like an
Afghan Kush and Northern Lights #1 skunk #2 and grand Granddaddy
Purple cross with the pure Ascendica.
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That's what that's what we're going right now.
That's fantastic. Those are all such delicious
strains. I've not had Northern Lights.
Number one, go dry I. Know I love Northern Lights.
That one was amazing. I've had #7 I don't think I've
had. Number one, gosh.
But yeah, Northern Lights was I had it in that vape pen.
That was so weird. It was weird.
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It was probably just a bad dizzy.
That's that's more than likely what it was.
But yeah, Oh man, I just love this because, you know, has the.
Has there been a moment that you've said screw this, I'm
done? I'm with cannabis.
No with your with. This whole journey with the.
Business and everything like that.
Like is it is it a pain or is ita blessing?
The business itself is so rough.Like they like especially like,
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you know, they're trying to makeCBD illegal.
You know, again, they just took it out of the, the verbiage out
of the AG bill. But if it would have passed with
that verbiage in there, it just happened like 2 days ago or yes,
yeah, Tuesday, today's Thursday.So where they were, Rand Paul
took the verbiage out of that AGbill to work. 95% of the CBD out
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on the market would have been illegal if it would have passed.
Yeah. So, so, but like merchant
accounts getting shut down like in 2023, just just two years
ago, five months out of this outof the 12 merchant account was
shut down. But I, I, you know.
And. Bank account frozen, you know,
just for whatever reason, like, you know, I had everything, CMA
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is everything and we're just like, oh, we blah, blah, blah,
you know, like no warnings, nothing.
So, so, so it's difficult, but I, I don't trust anybody to have
the good stuff, right? You know, because people fall
for, people fail. But I never do.
You know, I've, I've been doing this stuff, you know, I've, I've
sold over £1,000,000 cannabis flower in my lifetime, you know,
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like did it coast to coast when I was younger and, and, and
today, you know, like you have like fucking the, the baddest
shit on the on the planet, you know, and same thing with the
food, same thing with the programs.
Everything is, is, is the best of the best because people
depend on me, you know, people, people tell me what, what am I
going to do if you die? If.
I die. Because like they tried other
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CBD, they tried other stuff, youknow, but it's not people don't
understand holistic health, you know, like most, most cannabis
companies, most CBDCEOS and shit, they used to be like a
welder or a fucking teacher or something.
You know, I've been in holistic health my entire life since
1987. You know, I've written books,
you know, on, you know, better labeling the Whole Foods.
Yeah, like the 21 day reset cleansing and detoxification
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program since 2003 that over 12,000 people alone have been
through that program. You know, AWOL, a way of life,
you know, like, you know, which is a lifestyle program, you
know, like, like all, all the all this stuff.
It's, it's my entire life. It's it's not something, it's
not a joke to me. Yeah, it's not something you do
and then it's a jet set or, or going out where these people on
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the outside go. Oh, these cannabis people
probably just do whatever they want.
Like now they really are in the business.
They're in every part of it, every part of it.
Because, like he said, this is important.
What you do when people are saying that you're like, they
depend upon me and it's awesome because I mean, you're leaving a
legacy. You're, you've got formulations
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that you were working with team and and how you're being able to
prescribe exactly how to be as aggressive as you need to be or
when you need to taper off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah. I even just made a bunch of
protocols, like about a dozen ofthem for like cancer or chronic
pain, fibromyalgia, anxiety, sleeping stuff.
And I'm just just finalizing right now, I made these, like
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landing pages where people will be able to download them for
free. You know, there's just like
whatever condition, whatever condition they have, they could
download it and it has like, like how to how to ramp up, you
know, start small, ramp up each day and how and how much to
take, you know, you know, throughout the day and stuff
like that. That's fantastic.
Well, make sure we have those links there.
So you guys? Oh yeah, everybody, you'll have
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all the links to be able to. Yeah, we got to figure out how
to. We, we partner with you because
I mean, this is by far some of the coolest things that I've
heard in this space where CBD constantly is given this cure
all feel or, but it's a cure allfeel at like 25 milligrams a
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day. It's like you're what are you
getting? It's, it's like the same shit
they sell in GNC for kids who want to get buff.
And they're like, Oh yeah, take this powder and this powder.
This will make you retain water.This will make you feel bloated.
And yeah, take all these things,you'll look big.
But that's just, it's, it's feeding them full of nonsense,
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right? It's.
It's not giving them the real dosing that you need to do in
order to see something really come from your efforts.
And so with these protocols and you've obviously been able to
utilize it with yourself and many other people and you do
speaking gauge where you do speaking.
All all over, you know, a lot ofit's on the, you know, on the
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web now, you know, these days, but I'm going to be doing in in
November. There's and courtside Arizona,
there's this the international like truth truth movement or
something like that, or truth conference, like a bunch of
truthers, like the anti COVID. Oh, OK, and all those kind of
people are going to be there. So that's good.
So those guys are super famous. So maybe even on the same stage
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as them is going to be cool. So we just talked to the
organizer yesterday and so I'm going to be on there and have a
little presence there as well. So but you know, we do things
like that things, you know, in cannabis and then also just with
health and then that shruther thing, like I they really loved
me for some reason. Like I was spoke a couple years
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ago at the question everything conference, which was the same
kind of thing. Oh, cool.
Like it was it was like the mostattended speak.
I was the most attended speaker or whatever.
Dude. Interesting.
It was crazy because they were, they were, they were interested
in that because because everybody talks about the
problem, but nobody talks about solutions.
And that's what I have is solutions.
Well, it's, it's usually becauseyou have to reverse engineer it,
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right? You know that the, the solution
doesn't come because the CEO said, here's our quarterly
numbers. We need to create something new
to get that going up higher, right?
You're you, you went through this insanely horrible process
told as a kid like, hey, you gotglaucoma and you're like, all
right, I got glaucoma. And they're like, oh, he looks
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fine to me. The boy plays nothing wrong.
Let him go right? And then you get hit with this.
I think it's even more terrifying.
The story you got from what I'veheard from people who've lost
their sight, it's, it's absolutely horrifying, but you
got it back and then you lost itagain and then it took a long
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time to get it back to where it is now.
And so you're like, I don't playaround and you created multiple
systems going through going, OK,this works better than this.
If I pair it with this type of lifestyle, like you've really
put so much effort in being madesure that you were fixing your
own problem, which is usually when the best products I think
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that come out are and the best programs are those that are
created by reverse engineering because you were in some shit
and you needed to figure it out.Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah. The one, the one cool thing
about me is, is being like a ballistic health practitioner
even before you got did the cannabis oil.
So I was doing that for over a decade before that, right.
So I know how to work with variety of people that react
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differently. Even then then they react
differently than I do to certainthings, you know, so certain
people that like they discover like this worked for me and they
wanted to have everybody else doit.
They have like they're like a 1 trick pony, but I because they,
they weren't a holistic health practitioner before or any kind
of practitioner before. Like, I understand how things
react to certain different people and how to adjust, you
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know, when they have certain reactions to it, you know, so,
so it's a, that's why we have somuch success.
It's not just the product. The product's like bad ass.
But having that knowledge, you know, is super key as well, you
know, like understanding how people react to certain things
and how to how to adjust to it. If, if, if if something like
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doesn't work or works too well or whatever, you know, I don't
know if that makes sense, but. No, it does dude.
I mean, I'm comparing you to like a Formula One racer right
now. And the only reason why I'm
saying this, I watched this movie last night, Rush.
You've seen that one. It's about these two competitors
anyways. But the way you were talking
about that man made me think about how these drivers see
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everything like it. It's it, it becomes you're,
you're so in tune with it. It can't be just something you
passively do, right? Like everybody drives a car,
everybody makes CBD oil. But when you are in it for a
purpose, it totally changes everything.
(44:46):
So sorry. I, you know, and I, I am not, I
mean, Brandon knows like right before I'm like, I'm ready to
hit him. I'm going to give this guy, you
know. I'm going to ask all these
questions, yeah. I'm going to get him and you
just start talking and I'm like,shit, you're not a snake oil
salesman. I'm so excited because I have no
questions and I'm going to just think him up and and that's
(45:09):
cool. That's really cool because we,
we pride ourselves on making sure that we make those
connections and for our audiencebecause these are cannabis
consumer, over 70% of them use CBD daily.
I am just and if they're using it daily, are they using it
correctly? Are they using it for the dosing
(45:32):
based on what's going on with them?
Do they get the benefits that they are actually needing out of
the product that they're using? Are they even dosing accurately
for what they're needing? Yeah, exactly.
They don't have the amount. Like if you went to the pharmacy
and you get that script and they're like, give me 90 days,
you're going to get a bunch of pill bottles, right?
I mean, they know they're dosingit for that.
(45:53):
But when you're getting a tincture that's like 70 bucks
from who knows who, and you're like, Oh yeah, you know, Sally,
whatever her name, the movie star uses it and it did.
That doesn't work. Not in the cannabis world.
People go, it's something like that.
So Ben, let's love your story, brother.
(46:15):
I really do. Thank you very much.
I, I really appreciate that. You know, and one, one of the
things that I'm sure you guys know too is that like like over
90%, like probably 90 to 90% of the especially CBD companies out
there, their stuff's white labeled, you know, they don't,
they don't do anything in the house.
They're just marketing companies.
Yeah, there's only just a few that actually produce their own.
(46:37):
Like like our like our stuff costs like as we deal with as
far As for the for the hemp CBD side, we deal with farms that
they're that doesn't really matter, but they are USDA
organic certified and stuff likethat.
And it's like a Co-op of farms, 13 farms.
And, but yeah, like they, they grow like beyond, you know,
organic, biodynamic, all kinds of stuff.
(46:58):
You know, it's, it's really super awesome.
But I pay them six to time, 6 to10 times more than than average
market price for my stuff. You know, like, you know, like
if, if something cost like $1.00a gram, I'm paying 6 to $10 a
gram for it. You know, like, just As for easy
math and, and, and it has to do with quality and purity.
You know, like I everything matters from the seed to the
(47:22):
soil to, you know, it's a, it's nothing's done hydroponically.
Everything's in soil. But but like everything I call
it from soil to oil, you know, like everything matters.
It does because everything changes the whole process
through. And it changes such as the
quality, like, I mean, it's justlike anything on flower now.
Like that's why I think the the biggest change you could see
(47:43):
from when you were first using cannabis to now is we've all
become can of snobs. I mean, I'm like, I don't know
what kind of strain is that? Where was it grown?
You know, I I want to know thosethings.
Somebody we talk about this all the time.
If somebody's like, hey, you want to do it like, yeah, what
do you got in there? Like, oh, I don't know, like
pass, I'm good. I don't.
(48:03):
I don't need to fuck my day up with some swag weed.
Yeah, Al, when was the last timeyou were wrong about something
that you were sure of in this space?
I was wrong about I'm, I'm not sure because when I, when I
started the, you know, Mobila oil Company, I went for strictly
(48:25):
oil and everybody tried to have me because they know how good I
am, you know, because of the organic foods that I would be
good with farming. And, and I was literally offered
farms and everything, you know, like, like, like, like you don't
have to do shit. Just fucking do your thing, you
know, and, and I refused all of it because I, I, I knew that,
that that flour was going to getcommoditized and oil was going
(48:49):
to be the thing. So I went for that and, and I
was, and I was, and I was right about it, you know, because the
flour is commoditized now, you know.
Yeah. So, so I, I don't, I don't know,
I, I've and that's, and that's all I do, you know.
So I, I didn't try to do like a bunch of different things.
So I so I got that right and I was lucky so.
That's spot on. I mean, yeah.
(49:11):
Like, like like before, you know, when, when it was scarce,
when I, when I, when I used to sell flour, you know, like like
through the 90s and early 2000s,you know, like like coast to
coast that that's flower was thething.
It was hard to get the bad ass shit.
And I was able to, you know, that I was able to lock down
growers and buy out their farms before they were even before
they even planted them, you know, and all kind of stuff, you
(49:33):
know, so, so I had, so I had, I had lockdown on shit.
But, but, but, but there was so many people growing.
I was like when it when it became legal recreationally,
like screw that, you know? Yeah.
What was the biggest change you noticed it between the medical
market to your recreational market where you're at?
Right. Yeah.
And then the dispensaries changed, Yeah.
(49:55):
Because especially in California, like before, when it
was all medical based, you walked in and there, there were,
you know, there were jars like this, you know, and they were
full of butt and, and, and, and you'd buy like an eighth or a
quarter or an ounce or whatever.And it was all bad ass stuff.
It was, it wasn't like, you know, it was freshly grown.
And I just pull it out and they'd weigh it there right in
(50:17):
front of you. You could pick it up.
You could, you could touch it. You could smell it.
And and you can't do that now, you know, but none of that.
Sometimes you can't even see theweed.
It's in the, you know, everybody.
Yeah. Yeah, I remember.
It's crazy. Even shopping Colorado's
recreational market when I firstwould go out prior to COVID time
when I used to I used to try to Denver or wherever they'd do the
(50:39):
same thing. They'd pull out the jar it's all
in jars they'd way out in front of you.
You could smell it. I wouldn't but wasn't able to
hold it, but I could smell it. I could see it like they'd what
do you want to smell? What do you I'm curious about
this one. They'd pull down the jar.
Here, smell this one I. Remember that when we were like
to dinosaurs. A whole different experience now
like you said, and then you're getting these all I wanted this.
(50:59):
OK, well, that's everything's pre packaged.
It's in glass. It's already sealed.
Like where you're at, everything's already sealed,
whether it's an eighth, a quarter or an ounce.
Like you order it off of the iPad and yeah, there might be a
display case out with little things that you could see some
of it, but you don't get it's not the same experience.
(51:19):
It's nothing like it used to be.Yeah, and and today they almost
felt like they're like they're doing you a favor or something
by giving you by selling you weed or.
Something right? Yeah, I.
Heard Heard one of your podcasts?
You only have like 13. Yeah, 13 across the state.
And because of the way our stateis done, there's I-15 that runs
(51:40):
North and South down the center of the state, and all of them
are right along that. Now because of the law here,
you're not allowed to grow your own.
And originally when the people put in the law and we put, there
was enough signatures to put it in for the ballot initiative on
Prop 2, they had that you could home grow if you were more than
(52:03):
100 miles from any pharmacy. But then because the Evan
Vickers, he's one of the largestprofiteers of opiates or
pharmaceuticals in the state of Utah, while he's also a
legislature and has big hands inthat he went through and him and
the Mormon church kind of swayedand a lot of other businesses
(52:25):
swayed to pull that out and change a lot of the wording and
phrasing that was allowed there.So now there's no flame to
flower because Utah is weird andspecial and they've got fear
that smoking it will bring Satanor is bad for your lungs or
something. It's.
Too related to cigarettes. Yeah.
So whatever they, they have a thing around that, but they
(52:47):
changed all of it. And so it went from Prop 2 to
there. So we've got.
So much nicer. Yeah, a handful of dispensaries
right down I-15, but there's tons of people all in rural Utah
away, away from any of that far away who have no access to it.
And even in Utah County, which probably has half a million
people in Utah County, more thanhalf a million.
(53:08):
No, because we've got a bunch ofbigger cities now, probably
close to 1,000,000 people in Utah County.
They pulled one of the few dispensaries up to Salt Lake
County because they thought they'd get better sales up
there. But because of the way the
licenses and the restrictions are set up, well, we can't have
just another pharmacy pop up or come here because there's only
(53:29):
restricted number of licenses. So that means that this county
is just down to more dispersed ones that are further.
Away. Now they have to drive 90
minutes. To get to a pharmacy to get
their medication, like it's justa very we, we have a very screwy
medical program here still that they are a lot of fearful people
(53:51):
who don't understand cannabis are on the board for cannabis to
control probably like most states, how everything goes.
And so it's ridiculous because we go into the discussions and
it's a lot of fear on like, oh, we need to control the names.
We need to change the names because the names that are out
there are just. Kids might like it.
You're the new kid on the block.Why do you feel like you should
(54:12):
have a change or a hand in the naming of any strain that has
been around for centuries, not just?
Your I understand on some of them like Alaskan Thunderfuck.
I get it. Yeah, they get offended.
They choose to be offended by that.
I mean if if you have it in a good.
I've only had that in a pen. I've always wanted to try that
(54:33):
flower. You you ever tried that before
Al? Oh yeah, Like back, back, way,
way back in the day. ATF.
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was that stuff was really
good for sure. Yeah, I don't know.
I love that. It's very interesting.
If someone were to come to you and just say, hey, Al, you're
just another guy selling hope ina bottle, how do you respond?
(54:53):
You're right. more than I thought I would.
Oh. Yeah, dude, that's awesome,
because that's all it is, right?I mean, it's faith and hope.
If you, if you really are going to try to do something to make a
change, you can't just dip your toe in.
You really got to get in there because there's no change made
with tiny little steps. Yeah, I like like with those
(55:17):
protocols, especially with the cancer ones, like like like I
have videos that go along with them and explain the protocol
and and it's literally like you have to be a fucking warrior
that and and and and know that you're going to beat this shit.
If you don't have that attitude,then you may as well not even do
this. You know, like you said, you
don't tip your toe in the water and like don't like explore all
(55:40):
avenues and all this kind of stuff.
You know, like like follow like 10 different protocols.
You follow a protocol from somebody has like things that
are proven to work, you know, and and and and do it go all in.
You know, it's the same thing with business, right?
Like you don't follow, you know,10 different business.
Guys all at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You'll just, you'll never go anywhere, you know, as good as
(56:02):
he's putting it around in circles.
So you follow one guy's stuff, get get the benefit, go to the
other, you know, whatever. If you don't get the benefit, go
to someone else, whatever. But you know, like follow
protocols, you know, and be patient, persistent and
consistent with your efforts. You know that that's what that's
that's how you get better, you know?
I like that that that is something that really needs to
(56:24):
be said, especially for those who are using it beyond just
more as a supplement, you know, which is that's awesome.
That's so awesome. But when you're, you're making a
big change, you've tried a lot of other things.
I mean, you're meeting a lot of desperate people that are like,
I've got, I got nothing. This is what they told me.
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's crazy because because like you said,
(56:44):
like a lot of the people that come to me for, for whatever
reason, they're, they're older because I'm 59 years old, right?
So, you know, so I, I, you know,I tracked that age group, I
guess, you know, and maybe a little bit older too.
But but they're, they're scared of cannabis, you know, when,
when they, by the time they cometo me like they've, they've gone
through everything and I'm almost, almost the last hopes a
lot of times, like you said, and, and it's, it's sort of
(57:08):
sucks because if they come to you earlier, then it's easier
time, you know, for everybody. Would you say that's probably by
far the most difficult thing is the education?
Yeah, that's why I have the YouTube channel, you know,
because with all the, I have a ton of RSO videos and you know,
some of like like 30-40 thousandviews and stuff like that.
It's not a time. But for cannabis, it is, you
(57:29):
know. Yeah, it is.
We know all about that. Or like, you know, we'll tell
people our stats about our podcast and they're like, Oh
yeah. And we're like, no, it's just in
the cannabis market. And they're like, oh, OK, yeah,
OK, that makes sense. Yeah.
Then they go, oh God, I'm like, we're taking a small niche
market and we're we're really right at the top.
(57:49):
So it's so it's it's crazy. It's so crazy.
Yeah, it is. I don't know, Al.
If you were to leave one thing with our audience today, what
would that be? If you're going to be using
cannabis to try to overcome a chronic condition for yourself
or for a loved one, make sure that you go to someone that has
(58:11):
proven success, like a proven quality of oil.
And then either that person or go to another person, like a
cannabis caregiver that has protocols that have been proven
to work. And when you like, when I say
proven to work, like for instance, with a, with cancer,
try to talk to the people that they've helped, right?
(58:34):
Because when you do that with doctors, they can't do that
because the people are dead. So if you could talk to, if
they, if they have living peoplethat they can talk to you, you
know, then, then then they're golden.
But yeah, quality oil quality protocols.
And, and they can get all these,they can order oils from you
directly, correct? Yeah, yeah, they there's and and
they could schedule consultations from the home,
(58:54):
from the home page of the website, you know, for free like
that. There's there's links that's.
So cool, we'll make sure we haveall the links below.
Yeah, so. Hey Al, thank you so much for
coming on the show, having a sesh with us, learning about
you. Such a cool story man, such a
cool story. Thank you so much and and thank
you to all the listeners. Yeah, enjoy your day, man.
(59:16):
This is a blast. Thanks for coming on the show.
All right, everybody go and check out the links down below.
Catch you next week. Yeah, take care.
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