The Sesh — Dr. Dabber XS, Tiny Rigs, and Big Rants - Cannabis School

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with
everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh sesh.
What's up guys? How do you help?
We are trying out the Doctor Dabber XS.

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This thing is tiny. It's a dab rig.
It's really cool. Is that the top where the
banger? It seals completely.
Like pushes down into it. What I'm thinking you do is you
put your tap on the top and you just so it allows time for it to
not escape, but keeps it in a controlled setting.
Maybe you need to increase the temperature.

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That's what I was wondering. Oh, there we go here.
Alright, so I3 clicks is how youchange stamps and then you press
and hold it and it'll heat up. This is a fantastic little
piece. I like how handheld this is.
Dude on the drives. Yeah, this will be perfect for
like Rd. trips. Remember that little little 1
you had that you used to take onroad trips?

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That one would be way better. That's good.
Hang on. There we go.
Tap it, tap it. So the other one is the Oxo C
Note. I still have that for Rd. trips,
but I like when I go out of townbecause if I'm going away, I
don't want to bring one of the big huge guys.
But that is like perfect for traveling somewhere.
You could just if I were to go camping in that, I just bring

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that guy. He's so tiny.
Well, and yeah, I'm going to take, I've got a camping trip
I'm going on here in in the nextday.
Dude, even hiking that would be my hiking.
Like this is the perfect hiking rig camping rig.
Like yeah, you just pop it in the side of your bag.
It's itsy bitsy. Look in there.
I know it was. Like still clear or is a little

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brown? Very clearish like.
Slightly yellow. See, the thing I don't like
about ceramic bankers is that the temp is always too high and
you just see it in there. And this one, it keeps it all in
there, which keeps cleaning super easy.
Oh yeah, you just take AQ tip and.
Or you just unscrew that, pop itout and it and the the banger

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screws in and it snaps in there.The other one that I really like
is the bomb Cycloud because it clicks in and that is the ease.
It has the best airflow. I do like that spinning top.
It's so. Fun.
You lose a little bit dude, I'm telling you what.
Like the airflow at the bottom of that banger?
It has these like fin, like gills.

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Holy shit that's crazy. And it's so easy to clean, but
the the whole rig itself, it's super easy to clean.
This is. So right now this Doctor Dabber
access just on its own is 159. That's not bad.
And you can save 10% by clickingon the link below.
Yeah, in the show notes. Yeah, go use that.
And the Doctor Dabber gave us that code.
You guys, it runs until they tell us to fuck off.

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So cool. Things.
Are here, but it was. On the battery life on this,
let's let's see if it tells us real fast under maybe
specifications. So it's got 4 temperature
settings ranging from 475 up to 625.
And so it gives you, it says, 9 to 12 seconds to heat up and oh,

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you get 35 heating cycles on a single charge.
Yeah. 35 sessions on a single charge?
That's impressive as hell on that little tiny device.
You should, dude, that's legit. Doctor Dabber.
Your stuff is dope. Like, I sent them an e-mail
back, 'cause they hadn't said anything about sending it out.

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And I just sent it back and I was like, you guys spoiled us.
I said we we got so excited thatwe actually pushed it up.
And it comes out in like Thursday's episode.
Oh, if you heat it up, it's harder to scoop it.
I always scoop it cold. Oh, OK.
Yeah 'cause otherwise it'll slipright off.
That's what she. Said Yep.
Or love about this? Or just press it once and it'll
heat up, yeah. I love about that this part.

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Yep, just a little drip. Yeah, it doesn't get the rest.
I usually just wipe it on the inside of my glass jar again,
figure it'll get used later just'cause I'm like, I don't want to
get the sides of my banger or anything.
Dirty dude. It Do you know what this looks
like? A pregnancy test.
I know it is. Positive.

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Positively high. God, yeah, you're about to be.
What's What's it like getting inhyenated because it's not
impregnated? You're going to be happy, that's
all I know. This is so cool.
What the the little funk? I don't know.
I don't want to be a commercial about these guys, but this
shit's cool. Yeah.
And I, I'm really surprised thatit's just a very affordable

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price range for that. Yeah, and it's high quality
guys. We.
Doctor Dabber. It's Doctor Dabber, really.
There's not much more you can say.
Look at that little splash in there.
Isn't that cool? Yeah, I like the design.
I love the design. I think the glass is sleek.
It's. It's just good.
Do you guys put water in your dab rigs?

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We haven't been doing it for ages now.
Ever since we had Alex. On the show.
Yep, and honestly I feel like the experience is just so much
better with without water in it.Do that.
A dead pole. There you go.
Wow. All right, now that we'll get
properly elevated. That's the thing with candy gas,
though. I feel like I'm never feeling

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stoned when I have it. It's not a displaced, it's not a
like Stony feeling. It's a pretty clear headed
energized. You have to have a good amount
of candy gas. I feel in this just for those
who are more experienced cannabis consumers.
And when I say experienced, meaning habitual, you're using a
daily. It shouldn't be your only thing

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in your diet, but fucking hell it's so easy for it to be your
only go to. It's like eating hamburgers for
breakfast, morning, morning, noon and night.
I could do that. I could totally do that.
I I have no problem doing that. I like simplicity with my meals.
Even though I can cook very complex meals, I choose

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simplicity over anything. I like cheap, fast and easy.
I have a lot of the time pretty common stuff throughout my like
my week. I hate it.
I hate it now because I'm just like what the fuck to make.
I just, yeah, that was my problem always that I'd find
when I was trying to figure out what to do for dinner.
And it really only happened after it became just me because

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I was like, oh, shit, well, now what?
What do I actually want? And then I would scroll Yelp
even looking at like food placesand going, do I want to pick
something up? What do I, what do I even want
to eat? And then I would spend literally
like an hour scrolling Yelp looking at places like, what's
this plan? All right.
And and then I would same as recipes.

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I used to spend hours scrolling Pinterest throwing recipes up
like maybe I'll make this one. This one I have.
I haven't used Pinterest in years, but 90% of my boards are
all just recipes. Shit, Yeah, no, I for me, you
have to excuse me, the candy. Yes, it's kicking in.
Plus we had a great episode with.
Animal tsunami. Animal tsunami.
That one was really chill. Go check.

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Out that episode, it gets chiller the longer that it sits.
Yeah, and. But it's not a bad way just to
really like I'm just going to hang out, it'll cause no
problems. If you've been stressed and you
need just chill out. Yeah, you almost have like this
from my head. I was hitting like Caribbean
vibes, you know, that are some like weird Final Fantasy game.

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That's why you were talking about sunning.
You're like, I just want to be on the.
Beach. Yeah, I'm I'm just got this like
vibe in my head, but with candy gas.
It's awesome because it elevatesthe conversation.
No, actually I was going to break some mutts.
I just got taxed by a buddy of mine now again this.
Is for rubbing it in. Yeah, Jesse's cool and he's got
buddies. I got buddies, I got buddies.

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No, they sent me this thing about this.
Anytime I see mainstream media put out anything about medical
this is the same fucks that decided to try and get you to
take the vaccine and whatever whether you're for it or not.
Which you know it just stupid. It's just the lack of science
behind it and the push of. It's the lack of journalism.

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Yeah. Journalism used to dude.
You know what journalism is, andnow it's a fictitious character
in a movie that's doing the right thing.
Yeah, even. Investigative journalism is
dead. Because no one wants to call
out. Well, I guess if they do, they
do their shoots themselves in the foot or they get trampled

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over. Because no one, no one actually
does that anymore. I think of the thing it's like
Vice. Vice used to be like really good
investigative journalism, and then it's not.
And why they do. They were taking out money, yes.
They were taking out the best way to stop something.
Twitter. No, not Twitter.

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Twitch, same thing. Gamers making a platform to
communicate with gamers that turn into a business that sold
for billions of dollars. Why?
For private interest groups? What could we sell on there?
How could we sell it? You develop these really strong
demographics of people because you force them into these
demographics from FOMO did that thing is a really cool rig it.

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Really is. I am.
I'm really shocked of how good that.
I am too for like how tiny it is.
Because you see things like thatwhere it's got that like,
screwed up. And you reject the old shitty.
Right. They were like this one.
You put too much heat on it. It's all bent to the tip.
We can't sell it. Well, maybe it'll curve around

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and get to the, you know, no, noone's buying that.
Yeah, but if you blow in the other end, then maybe it helps
get there, so. That's where Brandon is going
anyways. So this is such a cool device,
guys. Seriously.
Code cannabis school? Is it cannabis school or CSP?
God. Something it's.
In the emails and it's in. You'll see it down below.

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It's in the episode notes below.Yeah, go down there, use the
code freaking help. The 150. 160 but you get 10%
off. Yeah, dude.
I mean, that's going to cover your shipping more likely, which
is fucking awesome. Sometimes places like that offer
free shipping on orders over like that.
See how it like splashes in? There.
Yeah, I thought it was very. Interesting.

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Well at least let you know. Like that's dirty.
This is really easy to clean anyways.
I'm excited. Off that one but this guy had
sent me this thing from CNN marijuana use drastically
increases risk of dying from heart attacks and stroke.
But what a lot of these studies and I I've seen this already,
yeah. And a lot of these studies

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forget to be able to put into there is that the individuals
that are having those issues hadpremorbidity conditions that
these are to. Those.
Overweight. Yeah, severely overweight, Type
1, Type 2 diabetes not being managed like, you know, I get
that. Well, but yes, you're type 2

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diabetic, but those first two things go very much hand in
hand. 100% morbidly obese and stuff.
And it's like there is certain things that come with that that
just your body's not built to handle that and it leads to more
issues. Well, exactly.
And the other side though is to be able where, where are they
getting the data? They'll say it's a large set of
individuals if it's not 50 a hundred 200,000 people, which I

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know is an astronomical number, but when you're getting it out
of a small demographic, 50,000 people is not a lot of.
Most of theirs is actually out of context.
Exactly. And if you look at the real data
set that's pulled, often times the headlines and the data
that's said is actually not the data that the actual survey
matches. And so it's been interesting

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'cause when I see those, I usually like to go read the
actual data in the survey. Exactly.
What happened? And then I'm like, oh, hey, this
actually just says it's for thisdata set.
And here it's not really a accurate like collection of all
this user or consumer data. It's just more of like, hey,
it's like looking at it and going, hey, using cannabis when

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you're at this certain stage will cause this.
Well, that's all anecdotal. And that cause 90% of what our
studies are anecdotal and everything else.
But then it's not even pulled from something.
It's like, well, this person whogot in trouble was doing this.
So that shows that it causes this because, well, they've used

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these different things and so that just correlates.
You're like, but you're missing all these other predisposed
things that might actually have been through there.
Like what what happens in that person's genetic line?
Everything else where there are other products that they were
consuming prior to that, Were there other things going on in
their life before that as well? Like it's not just looking at

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this one aspect and going this causes every single thing that
you see there. Exactly.
Well, and, and The thing is, is it what it sounds like to me
when studies like this come out?I know people that are in their
80s who have been using cannabissince the 60s.

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Oh yeah and they're doing just fine.
Is it like that fat dude who gets that giant fucking gravity
bong out of his pool of linking like 16 two liter bottles
together to create this huge hit?
Is that guy going to die? Possibly, but he would do that
from inhaling any type of smoke.It's also dose dependent.

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You know, you're looking at it and you're like, how many people
who are in their older age are taking crazy high like 1g dabs?
How many people are doing reallylarge doses of edibles or are
doing these gravity bongs that are massive?
Well, the only one I know is to turn Tony where his grandma gets

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high as fuck all the time and he's always like blasting her in
the wheat face with weed and stuff.
And his mom's always yelling at him for getting her too high.
That's the only person I've everseen is his grandma and she's
not like she might be in her 70s, she might be 80.
I have no idea. So, so this study that CNN used,

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so it was a global systematic review of the meta analysis.
So OK, led by researchers at theUniversity of Toulouse Tulusi.
I don't know, horrible pronunciations when I read it.
And then somebody will go, no, it's this, I'm like that, says
Violin. Anyways, it included data from

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24 large observational study, 17across sectional 6 cohorts, 1
case control conducted between 2016 to 2023.
In total, the analysis encompassed approximately 200
million participants, most of the ages of 19 to 59.
So the studies finding said theywere 29% higher risk of acute

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coronary syndrome, 20% higher risk of stroke, 2 times higher
than the risk death of cardiovascular disease.
But the the counter argument to that is a residual confounding
of like premorbidic, like we just talked about measurement
imprecisions, what was the frequency, what's the dose,
what's the method that they wereusing?

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Yeah, right. Observational studies
limitations including potential sections of bias and shared data
sets across studies threaten reliability.
So because it could have been 200 million thing, but we don't
know how reliable these tests were done.
Yeah, so here's my my thoughts on that potentially.
So my dad when he was crazy stressed working like they had

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the homes, they were doing the best they ever did.
But at the same time his blood pressure was through the roof
and the doctors told him your heart physically can't handle
this long term. You will die.
You will rupture some part of your heart.
I wonder if it were to go, hey, these people who maybe had crazy

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high consumption where their doses were always putting their
hearts in crazy horrible states might induce more stress on it
that might cause more like lead to higher percentages of heart
attacks. And that so I could potentially
see incredibly high dosing like on a regular consistent all the
time basis where you're putting your body in this stressful

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state. Well, and that's another thing
too is and, and this is, this isa quick check on myself, man.
I've been dabbing a little too much lately, I know that.
Do you feel like you're really elevated and like crazy high
heart when you do it or just. No, but I I do have like I have,

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was it called like moderate moderately, I'm low on high high
hypertension. It's getting up there.
It's not crazy, but it's gettingup there.
Could that be from all of life and everything else?
That is a big contributor to it,but depending on what strains
I'm smoking will affect that. Now, as much as I like candy, it

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does elevate my heart rate, which can change my blood
pressure and I typically feel itin my heart on that.
I don't feel erasing but it's not as chill as it was with
Amni. No, it's ready to go.
And it's again, I mean, it's like what you said before, it's
it's the intent. What am I?
You're like, I'm using this for pain.
And so when you're using cannabis for certain things, I

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would say like it's, it's a quick check, like am I doing
this 'cause I'm bored, 'cause sometimes I do that?
It might just be dose then. And we talk about that too,
like, hey, there's the habitual side of well, it's here.
I'm going to keep puffing versushey, I'm bored.
I'm going to take, I'm going to take one hit.
I'm going to use that hit to find some way to overcome my

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boredom. Yeah.
And but again, it's it's dose. How much are we using?
How often are we using? What is our purpose for it?
Like there's times and maybe it's OK to be bored, but
sometimes it's really fucking hard to be bored because, I
mean, we live in this constant world of we've got these
computers in her hand that entertain us constantly, you

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know? And any whim and whimsy that
pops into her head, it's oh, pull out her phone.
Oh, think of this, pull out her phone.
Oh, think of this, pull out my phone.
Hey, well, don't worry, I'll just pull out my phone.
Yeah, dude, I, I since I did that three day fast of no social
media, no YouTube, no, no, nothing, not even LinkedIn.
I found myself subconsciously going to it when I opened up my

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phone because I was going to addsome.
I could listen to books, I couldread books.
Yeah, or I can watch a show, butI wasn't allowed to go to
YouTube. And that actually was helpful
because I watched the show, but I didn't feel like I needed to
watch another thing right after.You can be learning a lot, which
is super fucking cool, but at the same.
Time. That's what's next.

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Right. And then the distraction.
You know when shorts came out. Best thing for marketing?
Worst thing from human brains? Oh yeah, it's that TikTok real
mind and stuff and you're like cool, now I need something new
when entertaining and. Well, and it and it's all based
off of whatever you've talked about or whatever you've
inquired about. Then you will start getting

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biased information that will be geared towards whatever
conversations you're having. It'll be all pro one thing and
then you fuck around with your phone.
You don't even have to do that. You could just say shit on your
phone going I I don't know why communism is getting a bad rap.
I think we should all do it right.
If I say that now it like like my Facebook feeds like I'm gonna
have. Excited to see where your

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algorithm. Communistic like support groups
coming outlook. Hey bro, we heard about what you
you know what I mean? But I mean it's like that it's,
it's all driven for you to buy and that's totally, I mean.
Yeah. But it it it's, you know,
listening to that book, I know why it made so much more sense
of why we are the witch. The end of the world is just the

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beginning, OK. And the reason why it made sense
was is that before we worked to live and provided just enough to
have a little bit more. Yeah.
But once we started to get more,we wanted less of people.
Kids weren't seen as a value addto the family to keep economic

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status high. It was a liability.
Got all these Rugrats coming around here and they don't have
anything to do. Yep.
So they created schools because they didn't have anything for
them to do. And it was all in good 10.
Oh, we'll teach them how to read.
But what a concept. Yeah, but then.
You think about it though, it's so crazy.
You go back even at the starts of America, like 200 years after

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and stuff, education was a very you go for a short stint, you
learn a lot in that time. People were way more eloquent,
like creativity and stuff was way better than it is now.
But people would work at their family thing or be sent off to
go learn a trade or do to learn something a little bit and then

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come back and like, it was just a very different thing.
But now, and now school is like,instead of a short stint, it's
hey, we need to fill 8 hours of your day because, well, your
parents work 8 hours. So we need you to be here for 8
hours and then we're going to give you homework and stuff.
Well, because we're not smart enough to design a system that

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really like uses our kids abilities to the best that they
have. Like we could design there.
There's so much better education, probably like
possibilities out there than what we have.
Yeah, I, I get what you're saying It.
It was kind of the, I went down a rabbit hole based off of a
conversation that we had a whileago and I contemplated why just

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just a curiosity on my part, notto answer it, but you had said,
well, I'm not proud to be an American.
And I go, I totally get that. I totally get that.
But I didn't know why I got thatI did.
So I started to search on it andthe reason why it's like our
friend, our common friend. When we don't have a purpose, we
don't feel good about ourselves.When?

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Where's the highest time of? And you feel that's why I'm not
proud. To no, no, no, I'm saying a lot
of people and I'll, and I'll getto the point.
I'm that's just the start. And and then I'll, I want to
hear what you think on this one,because it's, it's not an
assumption, it's a theory. And the theory is, is that we
don't have a lot of national pride because we don't really

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fucking care. We don't have pride because we
don't contribute. We think we contribute, but we
don't contribute. You look at other nations that
contribute, they have strong cultures, not of, you know, like
the Germans with the leather Hosen right?
Or the Italians with their pasta.

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Culture. Yeah, no culture goes well
beyond that. That's food culture.
Yeah, there's. Still, society like they have an
entire. Proud.
Yeah. A proud 'cause they have
something to be proud of, I feellike.
And the, and the reason why a lot of them have proud feelings
is they actually take part in building their country when you

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have. And this is where I was going to
go with it. I think that it would be a cool
idea to introduce mandatory service, but not in the sense of
military. I'm saying that if we went back
to where a police officer can only work in the town that he
grew up in because he knows thattown really well, I think that's

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better than bringing in some dude from LA who's worked on
hard streets and comes here witha hard attitude and because he
was conditioned through PTSD to act a certain way as a police
officer. So I'll finish and then I want
your opinion on that. Where we don't have that pride,

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when we had pride in this country was after World War 2
because we created it was some of the fastest decline in
violence and more exception of amelting pot of cultures.
It was rough. I'm not going to say it wasn't,
but it was definitely on the upward trend of more bringing

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people together because when everybody's doing good, it's
easy to see the good and everybody.
I think a lot's changed in that time frame, of course, when
America was coming up and then was, I'm not talking.
About it like at the. Laws and things have changed
that has not made this country the same as no dude it's.
Changed 7 times? Yeah, it's changed 7 times and

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it will continue. To change it will 100%.
But I think that the ability to have pride in something can also
change because they look at it and go, yeah, this is cool
because this is this is the story that's been painted in
front of us and this is the and this is the story everyone's
told us. But then you look at other
perspectives and you go, but maybe this picture that they've
said isn't as pretty and shiny and not as they said.

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Maybe this picture that we're supposed to be holding up and
rooting and that is kind of shitty sometimes.
And then right, maybe right now this picture we're holding up is
actually kind of covered in shit.
And I'm not proud of this shittypicture at this moment.
Well, and the thing that the counter argument I had that is
that I get where you're coming from, but where if you really go

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talk, not the tourist shit, I'm talking really talk to other
people around the world, they would say they would gladly come
over and be an American. Oh yeah, I've talked to people
all around the. World, right.
And, and, and so when, when you're talking about that, you
know, what I see it is, is just we haven't suffered enough to
actually start to give a shit about what's going on.

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And here's what I mean by that 'cause I like where you're going
and I totally agree with that. But what we have is a bunch of
armchair consultants who think that they could do better, yet
won't get involved in civic duty.
Yes. And the reason why we have so
many evil politicians is becausemost of the people became
conformists. They were like, well, because.
I want my even within our locals, we don't do anything

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within our local communities, no.
So it's like you said, we've gotarmchair who go to Facebook,
Instagram, which has. Been so nice, whatever.
It is, you know, and so that's, that's where all these experts
are, is, is on these stupid platforms or on their podcast or
wherever it is that they're going, Oh, this is this.
And you're like, cool. Well, that doesn't actually do
anything because you're, you're armchair expert.

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You're not going out, you're notactually making an impact.
You're not even trying to make an impact, but like, hey, I
shared this post. Well hey, I ranted about this.
You're wanting to look at it from extreme bias situation of
going well this side I feel morea part of you.
Think mine's incredibly biased. What's that?
You just said I look from a veryincredibly biased perspective,

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people, OK. I'm sorry if you took that.
That's what. I was trying to see.
All of us do, all of us do. And the reason why we do it is
groupthink. When you are involved online
constantly in some chat and thatperson you agree with on some
level or another, you're going to go, I like what they're
saying and I'm going to stick with that, which is great that

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you're right, I think. That only works for a little bit
because I don't think there is any human in the world that I
agree with on everything. I think there's only I agree
with every human, probably on a certain level of things.
I think that's OK. What?
Do you mean by that? I mean that there might be
difference in beliefs, thoughts,how I approach things at every

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single human, but there might besimilarities with every single
human as well. And I don't think that I will
look at anyone's thoughts or perspectives or thing and always
go, this is always right. Or I will look at it and go what
they've said because. No, I totally get.
That there's never going to be aperson that I look at and go,
you're perfect. You will always have the right

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thought, words to say, approach,whatever.
Every one of us is fucked up andflawed.
And so if I look at it and I go,hey, I'm going to put you on a
pedestal or you or you, well, no, I'm the fucking idiot
because I'm the one putting someone else.
Yeah, well, we, we allowed this world to happen for comfort.
We sold our freedom for comfort.And the reason why, what I think

(28:19):
of the definition of freedom isn't your ability to do
whatever the fuck you want. Freedom is your responsibility
to keep it. And you have to stand up for
your rights, otherwise you lose them.
But that's the thing, like all Ihear in today's society is a lot
of talk and little fights and. Because it's all the social
media. It's not even that it it is.

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It is our world as a collective.Dude, we are soft fucking
people. We are so soft out of history.
We are incredibly soft. Yeah, we and we fight.
Well, no, we we fight over aboutfeelings now, which is
ridiculous. Yeah, we fought over goods and
all that other stuff land, and now we fight over feelings,
which. Because if you try and fight

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someone else over that, you'll get sued.
You'll go to. Jail.
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying like those
things. Like I'm saying, like those laws
continue to be created on top ofone another because nobody's
listening, nobody cares. And they find a way around it.
So there's no real big consequence.
You know, it's, it's like the idea, like in other countries,

(29:24):
even to this day, you steal something, they'll cut off your
hand. That's a pretty big fucking
deterrent. Same with the politicians.
They have an issue, they kill the politician because it's
you're not fucking listening, You're doing what we're like or.
We don't or, or there's an organized crime in there that
doesn't want it to go away and so they'll do that.
Italy did that. Mexico's going through that so
many. It's the same thing, but

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America, like it's very soft because we've got on one side,
we've got the president who is what it is, and we've got very
soft people. And I think the government is
allowed to do what they do because we care about.
We don't care. No, we just don't.
We're just not willing to be able to get involved.
And that's what I'm saying. We don't care.
You look at those countries thatare very proud of where they are

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and the people will actually force change is because they're
willing to do that. What I see now is you've got 2
volatile. We don't have change.
Well, no, we don't have change because we do groupthink,
because we're not people. Don't do it like you said, other
countries have done that but. We don't in some ways.
In some ways, I mean, I'm not going to look at Europe as some

(30:28):
great thing. They're in a cluster fuck of
craziness right now with massiveimmigration issues, not being
able to keep up with their gun brownouts, blackouts in certain
areas, and it's all due to too much people on the load.
It wasn't built for that. It's like Provo.
Provo was not built for the people that it has.
We got so. Small time we got blackouts here

(30:50):
because it's like the power goesout.
Oh sorry our grids old as fuck. It's not meant to support this.
Because they didn't think to update that they built more
homes than they upgraded the system.
And that's the same thing. It's well.
That's how we are here and maybeit's very common everywhere else
too. But like our Rd. system, like
they've plotted for 20 years of hey, we're gonna double in
population, but yet there's not been any plan on infrastructure.

(31:13):
It's so hard to move it because where does the money go?
It goes towards public things. Like I think it's ridiculous
when they're investing on these nice things like we're not at
that point where we, we've passed our golden age.
I, I, I think that we're going to go into a steady decline
based. On the United States.
The world, the world, I don't think the United States will

(31:34):
suffer as much as anywhere else.Not at all.
We have the largest land mass. We also have the best resources.
We don't have to import, but we do.
That was after, after World War 2 that we started to import
because every other we could have easily just came in as an
empire easily. But they didn't.

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And when they didn't, it createdcommerce.
Now trade lines were open. the US Navy would protect your
ships. That's why oil was able to go
everywhere as opposed to just because oil in the United States
was only made in the United States.
You got gas here, you got gas inEurope.
It was only made there. It wasn't shipped.

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It's so crazy how fast. Because even then, like in it's
not 60s was when they had that gas shortage here and they had
rations. It was in the 70s.
And my dad, my grandpa, was like, they had rations for food,
for gas, for all of that shit here.
That wasn't even that long ago. Yeah, set.
It was in the 1970s. During Carter's administration

(32:38):
after World War 2. Yeah, it was after Vietnam.
Yeah, it got really bad and and you know, honestly, it's like
the strangest thing, but it thatwas.
A lot of American ingenuity, time though a lot of American
cars and a lot of American products being built.
Hard times do does really good things for Americans and so oh.
No I meant even during that we are still getting fucked so.
Well, but, but it's ingenuity, you know, you create, you know

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the thing that doesn't create big change?
Soft times, hard times create big change.
To simplify things. Think about it.
The automobile, all the shit, we're fucking refrigerators, AC.
This is only created because we didn't.
We're having more comfortable times.
We're spending more time indoorsas opposed to the farming era

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before the industrialization of America.
Did people just farmed? They didn't.
Think we had more inventions in the last 200?
Years. Oh, 100%.
Than before. Way more because you had more
people who are educated, well read and combined with other
people that are not just within their small communities.

(33:45):
When you think that started declining?
What do you mean? Having so many well read, well
spoken, educated people. I don't think it was a it was a
goal, and nowhere in history didwe have mass education.
No, I said. When do you think that changed,
that we went from smarter, more intellectual that to where we
are now? I'd say like the 1960s, early
1960s in education. They changed a lot of the

(34:07):
structure of education in the 60s.
It got Dumber, got longer. You talk to people who were in
high school during the 70s and they felt the same way that kids
feel today. If it was a waste of time,
they'd rather be doing somethingelse.
Because back then they it's likewhat we read about.
Like in the 1800s, kids who did get education, It wasn't all
day. It was a short amount of their

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day and they had high intellect and the reason why honestly it's
because. That's the other time I was
thinking about inventions was like Edison's time and stuff
where there was. But there's very few people that
did. That, yeah.
That's what I'm saying. But there's still very few
people who create inventions overall.
There's just. There's so many inventions.

(34:50):
There's a lot of them don't comeout not because of one thing or
another. It's usually capital.
Now you have to have the money. You think about if Westinghouse
actually believed in Tesla and said fuck it, let's save the
world, Yeah, where would we be now?
Yeah, or we could have figured out the Tesla was.
Quack. But that's the other thing
though. So like inventions come from

(35:10):
hard times, but that's the otherthing is like you talk about
Atlantis times or that where they probably didn't have normal
jobs in this and they were like Greek philosopher times and
stuff. Like we didn't have.
Jobs was there a lot of yeah. So is there maybe not jobs
within that and not the same type of need, but like more
creative stuff produced because of?

(35:33):
No, I, I, I get what you're saying.
Like I think that maybe even the60s is too early to say that.
I think that the steady decline was the more comfortable that
Americans became. Everywhere else wanted to do the
same thing. Why not?
I mean these bad mother fuckers come in and stop the war.
Everybody else tried to and theycouldn't.

(35:54):
I just wish we got on board withthe 30 hour work week that a lot
of Europe follows. That well, it's, it's, I think
those are are obsolete because you think about because of
comfort, because we have a lot more comfort.
The 30 hour work weeks are obsolete.
I think there are in many ways, because I think that most jobs,
I would say 90% of the jobs out there are ridiculous.
Yeah, they don't serve a purposeof making anything, but they

(36:16):
don't really serve. Anything you mean it could be
less than 30? Totally.
Yeah, totally. And that just mean in American
Society where it's 40 plus hours.
Well, I think it's going to change.
I think it's going to go back toless.
And the reason why is because there's less emphasis on higher
education. Now more than ever, more people

(36:37):
are saying don't go. You know, the only people who
press it. Old people.
Banks. And old people.
Because they, they came from thegeneration of shut up and do
what you're told. Yeah, Generation X came in
going. What the fuck did you guys do?
I grew up with Shut up and do what you're told too.
Oh yeah, no, I, I I grew up withthose people from that one, but

(36:59):
I also had extreme rebellious all of my siblings do extremely
rebellious and not conforming tothat constantly in trouble with
authority like because we just didn't agree with a lot of those
things at that time, but. A lot of it doesn't necessarily
make sense always. But it's soft it it's just
comfort, man. I mean, honestly, we traded.

(37:20):
We traded our ambition for comfort.
Because you think about it, it'slike in your dad.
Your dad worked so hard on tons of shit is back so fucked up.
He's in pain all the time and yet he's never spending time in
this extravagant home. It's a waste.
It's a waste not to oh so many families could live their bird.

(37:42):
No, who cares about that shit? It's a waste because what are
you doing it for? And it's because of comfort you.
It's he almost looks like it's primal in him going fuck this
comfort. I have to do something.
It's that deep seated and it's like our friend that I won't
mention his name on air, but ourfriend who has no purpose

(38:03):
whatsoever. You see that dullness in his
eyes? I mean, it's fucking evident,
dude. It weighs on him heavy.
That's why we're like in such search of like jumping fucking
cold water. This is fucking hard.
We are. It's almost like our souls are
saying like quit being such a fucking pussy and do something

(38:25):
hard. Which is interesting too,
because at the same time, so many of us quit when we do try
something hard, you know, so it'll be like because.
There's an out, yeah. There's an out no.
If you have the attitude, nobody's coming to save you.
Nobody's coming to save you. You've got to do it.
I don't think many of us have lived in that world.
No. And and you know what happens

(38:46):
right after you get there? Who do I trust?
Who do I trust? And that's going to be based off
of friendship. The friendship you only I feel
the hard part if if not is like my dad's generation, that one
with it. Yeah, he has no fucking friends.
I know because he feels like. He is just alone and so it's
cool to have this like really hard toughness and that, but at

(39:08):
the end of the day he is alone. Yeah, but you, you look at
cultures and and back in the day, I mean, I'm not going to go
like into the Spartans. And I mean, they've got really
fucked up things in their culture.
But the thing that they did was that hard times were also
celebrated. You look at the Vikings, hard
times celebrated. Oh, yeah.

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Almost every society up until the industrial age was strong
together. Communities were strong.
Families were strong. You didn't move away from your
family. You're going, well, I'm going to
New York to make something of myself.
That's why I think my whole family is still here.
I think that's it's a common. Grew up with like we worked hard

(39:50):
and we'd play hard. We'd go 4 Wheeling and boating
on the weekends. We do all this stuff and be
totally exhausted, but like we would work long hours all week
long and do all of that and it was, I don't know, I think that
is you kind of if you do that type of thing, you have to
celebrate sometimes because otherwise.
They go hand in hand, Yeah, but look at your your dad's a prime

(40:11):
example because he doesn't have somebody to celebrate with that
he wants to celebrate with. Even though he'll go on trips,
but he doesn't even enjoy his time.
He just. Chooses not to.
It was like, he spent all this time on his house and doing
these projects, and then he misses stuff with the family and
that. And then he's frustrated, like,
oh, don't get this time with thefamily.
Well, you choose not to take thetime with the family.

(40:34):
But I've appreciate it. Like, it was fantastic.
I loved that he came and helped me.
And he's always there when I need him.
When it was like, Dad, my water heater, it's leaking.
Yeah. He's like, oh, we'll replace it
Monday. OK.
All right. And so we went out and spent the
day. And because this home is old as
fuck, it took way longer than itnormally should.

(40:54):
Have Oh yeah, you had to make a bunch of shit.
And it was like. Oh my.
Gosh, this is just so much fun. But you know, like, I do enjoy
that and that connection with him, but it's this realization
of like, and how many of us are in that position and are just
still so alone. Like we want that human
connection but we don't know howto do it because all we are is
just. So I need to be doing.

(41:16):
This well, because I mean, even your dad is a prime example of
that one. Why do you need a house like
that? Why did he need to redo all the
house? And you come up with a million
things, but it's vanity. All of us are driven by vanity
in one way or another. It's the clothes we wear.
It's the things we do, places wego, but sometimes we start to
just where we start to associatelike like the shitty restaurant

(41:39):
that has a ball hole in the window, right?
And that's just an example. But like, if that was our spot
and it was always 750, it wouldn't matter because there's
a presence there. And that's what we have tried to
do with consumerism is we tried to fill this gap in our of the
dopamine hit of new and cool because we're just, it's like

(42:02):
colors in nature. Do you think of a baby seeing a
huge field of flowers and bunch of different colors?
I mean, their minds would explode of this is amazing.
And that's how we are with with things.
We're like a toddler's mind whenwe get a new phone or something.
But how quickly now the new phone was like the coolest thing
in the world. Now it's just like, here's what

(42:23):
I don't like. Wow, wow.
Like. I mean, it's fine.
Like it's not this and it's not that.
What a great, what a what a marvelous time of technology we
live in. And it's going to come to an
end. It's going to come to less, not
the end, but it's going to come to the end for a lot of
countries. And the reason why is because

(42:44):
the lot of them can't survive without us.
And we overextended ourselves, but we did it to ourselves.
And as shitty as it sounds, yeah, we shouldn't be the police
of the world, but we kind of took the job and we said we
would. And I know we're done with it,
but it literally is, dude. Like, honestly, just those three

(43:06):
days being off social media, I was like, man, we would all be a
lot happier if we put that fucking thing down.
It was interesting when I had, gosh, what was it?
I had deleted like all of this stuff off my phone and it was
all on the other recording phoneat the time.
And I had found that I had even gotten rid of Facebook because
the apartments rented. I didn't have to worry about

(43:28):
anything And I would find myselfsitting down and I'd like open
my phone and then I'm opening mye-mail or I'm opening like
Amazon. I'm like what in the fuck am I
doing? And I'm like, I'm bored and I
don't know what to do and instead of like going and
finding something to actually focus on, I'm like sitting there
realizing man, this is what my brain does all the time.

(43:48):
Like how many times a day is this actually?
Happening, yeah, I found myself gravitating towards it, pushing
the app and going, yeah, what amI doing?
Exactly. And that was exactly my thought.
I'm like, why? Why am I here?
What am I coming for right now? What is this that I'm trying to
achieve or get out of this? And I'm like I'm bored like why
am I bored? Am I trying?
Like am I not working on something I should be?
Working on. Am I like, am I feeling like I

(44:11):
should be working on something? And so I'm struggling with just
being relaxing. Like, what is it that's going on
that I'm, you know, is there something I should be doing
right now? It's just this really weird
feeling. And I find that like a lot of
those apps on our phones are just escapism.
Well, and here's The funny thing, they're bought and paid
for by us because of that new feel, that toddler esque mind

(44:36):
that we get. Because what we wonder about is
so captivating about stories andconnection.
And you want to know why movies are so shitty?
You want to know why books are so generic and coming out so
crazy fast? It's because we've foregone
connection to comfort. It's uncomfortable to go out and
meet new people. It's uncomfortable to be let

(44:58):
down. It's uncomfortable not to trust
others until they earn that trust and it's.
It was like last night I went and hung out like I.
Random. I don't normally go hang out
with people often. I hang out with friends, like a
group of friends occasionally when we do a get together
because like, hey, I haven't seen anyone in a handful of
months. Let's we should do a get

(45:19):
together And then I see you and we play games online and we talk
on the phone every day and like.We're really connected.
But aside from that, most of thepeople I don't actually
physically ever see, I don't hang out with them very often.
And so last night it was like, Iwent and hung out with a new
guy. We were just friends, like, but
it was new. And it was still this awkward,

(45:41):
kind of like we smoked, but it was still this like trying to
figure that out and find that connection that that community.
And it was interesting, 'cause he grew up in Iowa and he's out
here now. His family was Mormon.
He's not anymore. Were they like nice?
And he was like, oh, they're like nice to your face.
They're not really nice. They're just was like, oh, I get

(46:02):
it. That's OK.
I was like, do you feel like youhave a closer community now?
And he's like, no, not at all. I'm like, and I kind of thought
about it. I'm like, it makes a lot of
sense because I feel like once you leave that community, there
is no community and you are almost kind of feeling like
you're alone unless you unless you build 1.
And that's what I was trying to do initially.

(46:22):
I feel like when I was doing church on Sundays was finding
like minded people that I could hang out with, that I could
build this community with. And, you know, I think so many
of us just want that, that like real connection, that, hey,
where's people that I can trust and feel this connection, this
similarity with this like, hey, I feel safe here.
Yeah, there's not enough those spaces anymore.

(46:44):
And the reason why is that everybody's too fucking afraid
to do it to start something and the fear of it's not going to
catch on. It's like what you said right
there. And and I the funniest thing
that I will say about what you just stated about I like Mormon
wards and stuff like that. Or I've been in both of them
where I've been in in extreme poverty when I was a little kid

(47:07):
and how they treated my father and my family not very nicely.
Then when we got to lower middleclass, they're they're still
kind of Dicks. Call me a speck.
Made fun of my dad, you know, behind his back.
All the guys there prejudice as shit.
And then my grandfather died andwe move way N Orem in the nicer

(47:29):
areas and I'm near the nicer, richer schools.
Yeah, and totally different. Really.
Slightly elevated old Bishop. I mean this guy thinks he's
Jesus is a Carpenter. Fuck, hell, shit, you could be
squishing limes for all I know, dude.
It doesn't make you closer to Jesus, you fuck.

(47:50):
Anyways, that guy was an asshole.
He was a fucking asshole to my dad.
He was a Dick to me. And my my dad was kind of in the
church. My mom too.
At the time, I wasn't. I'd left when I was like 11.
Yeah. And I had no desire to go back.
And it was because of that. Now Fast forward many, many,
many years later. I'm married, have three kids at

(48:12):
the time, and we're going up in Hobble Creek, extremely wealthy
Ward. Yeah, I was in between jobs
right when I got there and the elders corn president gave me a
job like on on a Sunday. I was working a graveyard.
I used to work at this like a methadone clinic.
Yeah. OK.
We're taking care of rich peoplethat abuse drugs and alcohol,

(48:33):
and they get detoxed and then wesend them up to the expense of
the lodge that's here in Utah where all the celebrities go.
So we would get like, high net worth individuals come into
this. You would never guess.
It looked like part of a strip mall, but inside was a medical
facility. And I would do that at night.
And it sucked. And Steph was so mad, she ran

(48:54):
into the elder clone president. She goes, hey, you own rock
company. And he goes, yeah, hey, you need
to give my husband a job, and heneeds to make this.
And he goes, OK, can he, can he start tomorrow?
Yeah, he's sleeping right now. He'll totally start tomorrow.
If she would have done that in another war, she never felt like
that in the other one, the ward,we, we had some issue that was
like in between that one dude. So many people are like, can we

(49:17):
help? Can we help?
Can we help? And was crazy that these
communities have a lot of wealth.
They don't experience opportunities to serve one
another. And so they want to help each
other. It's fucking weird.
Even upon Grandview, like never got that feel up there.
Everybody was Sunday faces. There was a few.
The most, yeah, the most part, like.

(49:38):
Just a bunch of. There was little.
Fucks yes. And I that's where I spent 90%
of my life was Grandview. And yet so there was the handful
of ones who were just but you find them everywhere.
Like total people who were just like the kindest, best people in
the world. Mormon or not, yeah, good
people. And then most of them are judge
mental fuck tarts who just are hey.
Oh, but you think about it. Like grandma grandpa's

(50:01):
generation, the way you had value was the public perception
of what value was. Hard work, Family oriented
education. Lots of children education.
Yep, this is the things that owning a home land, Yeah, so
important. Are you musically inclined?

(50:21):
Yes. How well read are you like?
Dude, seriously, Like it was allabout that.
So you take a generation who says I don't know about that,
and they go, wait a minute, thisis the way it is.
And they beat it into their heads when they try to change.
Like your dad's generation. My dad's generation, dude, they
were during like the flower power time.
They could have been, like, my dad's in his 70s.

(50:43):
So, you know, in understanding, like, where they came from.
I get why they look down on these other people because to
them, the way the value was perceived was hard labor.
Yeah. Work it is.
And being on YouTube or anythinglike that, I still don't agree
that being person like Logan Paul creating garbage is a way

(51:03):
for you to make money. But that just shows where our
people have gone to. We are, we have, we are
comfortably numb. We are comfortably numb.
We don't give a fuck. And it would take a collapse of
the global system where we have to focus like you'd said, who's
gonna work in these factories? A lot of people will because
those will be the high paying jobs.

(51:23):
If you think about it, you'll. Have to be able to run the
robots and everything else anyway.
Even if you don't have robots like it's you you look at.
Annual labor is one of the highest paid jobs right now
aside from like. Dude, electricians, you take 10
years ago, they're making three times more now.
That's nuts. Yeah, like this, that this woman
used to live across the street from grandpa.

(51:45):
She's like right on top of the hill.
And then Davis's. No, no.
Old house. I think it was Davis's.
Yeah. Ages and ages.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So their daughter, who is going
down a path of debauchery and being ran through by millions of
dudes, she ended up hooking up with this one guy, Kid 23,
electrician, dude make a bank, He's working at the airport.

(52:06):
Good for him. And but he, he, I had asked him,
I met him once, I said, hey, whydid you do this?
And he goes, really wasn't thinking it, but had a lot of
really good mentors. Tell me go do this, you'll be
OK. Yeah.
And that's where I'm pushing my kids.
I'm like, go to trade school, learn to trade.
It's huge honestly you could make so much money still doing

(52:27):
that. And even like when?
Isn't it funny though? Like the roofing company.
And it was like a realization ofholy shit, a monkey can do this
and a monkey can make how much? Well, if that can happen, then
why can't any capable person do this?
And it all comes to comfort, man.
That's why people go like, I have to have a job that gives me

(52:50):
an hourly wage. Commission only is hard.
It is tough. I've only done that once in my
life and that was the hardest summer to go knock doors and do
that, especially when it's Commission only.
And I had an entire week of bagels and I was like, cool.
I made no money this entire week.
I spent my whole week busting myass working hard knocking doors.

(53:13):
And it was the hottest summer that Kentucky had had, and it
was the highest humidity. And so that was the hottest city
in the nation. And I was from Utah.
I'm not used to the fucking humidity.
Yeah, I went to Cancun for a week and a half, but not for an
entire summer. Not walking and not worse.
No. And so that was like the worst.
It was so horrible. I'm like, Oh my God.

(53:36):
But you think back to. That time so you.
Were getting creative about whatyou fed yourself, what you fed
your family, what you did. Entertainment was like the last
thing on your. Mind.
Oh, I had no time for entertainment.
My time that I had. Was either knocking or worrying.
Sundays. Sundays was my time, and that
was well, I'd spent my entire week working, so I'm going to

(54:00):
fuck off at the pool. I'm going to sleep and I might
watch a show. That's my weekend, or I might
play a game, but that was it. Yeah.
And that was not very many hours.
Plus I had a wife and a kid out there.
So it was like, well, that's like, we hung out.
We did all this, but I was 6 days of the week.
I was out knocking doors for 10 hours a day, basically 8 to 10

(54:23):
hours like. Selling shit that people don't
need. And that's the thing, it's like
they if they want it, they'll they'll be motivated to do it.
Oh yeah. And I mean, it's, it's just so
funny where comfort is somethingthat pushes us into a deeper
decline. And that's why I say like, you
know, if, if when I'm not doing OK, it's, it's, it's a, it's a,

(54:47):
it's a, like a, a governor now for me, where working out takes
precedence because of it will push my body to accomplish
something. And so I want to keep
accomplishing more. And if I can just get a little
bit more out of it, then I go, well, I could do a little bit
more here too, yeah. Right, Well, with mental health

(55:10):
and that one of the biggest contributing factors to us
having healthier mental health is movement of the body.
So 100% doing that and allowing yourself and doing that movement
probably is what allows you to go, hey, oh fuck, I can now do
this or this or this and and have that.
Because like when we're not OK, it's so hard to have any type of

(55:30):
motivation to go, oh, well, I can do this.
Or, you know, feeling overwhelmed can come way easier.
Why would we want to do anythingphysical anyways when our lives
are so convenient indoors where we can just get online and play
right and that will work. And I.
And the only counter I would have to that is we are starved
for connection. I saw this incredibly sad video.

(55:55):
It was a while ago too, because I jumped off of Facebook for a
while and Instagram and all of it and YouTube.
But it, it was a video I went back to.
I just wanted to look at my saved ones because I was off.
But I, I didn't even spend very much time in there on Monday.
I spent a total of 13 seconds onit.
Oh, yeah, it was this clip and it was this woman who was
crying. She says I just want to kiss

(56:16):
somebody. I'm, I am, I am touch starved.
I can't, I don't care. I'm thinking about getting on
apps again just to hook up with somebody because it goes, hey,
you're good looking and I'm goodlooking, good touch.
Yeah, yeah, we are starved for that.
And what we're starved for is that connection piece.
And because we have outsourced our communication to devices to

(56:40):
somebody else coming up with thenarrative and us agreeing with
them, we spend less time just trying to connect with other
people. I I try to connect with people
on all sides of the aisle, even though like, you know, I've got
brother who is just like his belief in his political view is
so hard that if anybody doesn't agree with them, you're
automatically on the other side.And yet, even though I don't

(57:02):
agree with him on a lot of points, I'll still reach out to
him. Like on Father's Day, I said a
fucker. Just wanted to say your
daughters could have done better.
Love you, dude. Let's get together, have
laughing lunch and laugh. And he goes, bruv, Thank you.
I just learned by watching you and did the exact opposite.

(57:24):
It's just like that's my family's way of saying I love
you. Like it's very like I'm a very
affectionate very my family is not.
I have to force it out of them. Hey, I love you.
My sister and Melissa won't say I love you very often.
That's funny. Even talking to my dad, I feel
like I'm the one often saying I love you.
Yeah, me too when I hang up. But that's just because almost

(57:45):
every person I talk to, because they're people I'm talking to,
right? They're people I care about.
Yeah, but why not? Like why wouldn't I tell them
why? Not tell you I love you man
because you know what it does dude, like it's it's that thing
like, you know the thing you start doing I do is is thanking
people for being there. Well, no matter what it is,
because even though it's a shitty job, the reason why it's

(58:08):
shitty is because they have no purpose.
Because they know it. They know what they're doing is
not purpose filled. They know it's just a way of
fucking yeah, just your existingand the reason.
And what do they sell you for your inspiration?
It comes in plastic and it sits on your table and it has
controllers. It's cool, but it becomes the

(58:28):
focus for people to connect. It's the only reason why.
That's why multiplayer games areway bigger than individual story
games. Honestly when I games for the
longest time I really only likedplaying with others.
I didn't play to just play a game on my own.
I played to have fun with friends, like to joke and laugh
and like. And games were for those random

(58:51):
moments, yeah, where you're by yourself and going.
I don't really feel like a book.I don't want to watch a movie.
Let's get in this game. Hopefully it has a story.
See, I never grew up with that because.
I didn't either, so I wasn't. I mean, I had it.
I wasn't allowed to touch it. Mine was the books and so I was
like, all right, well, looks like my story books until I
graduated high school and then it was like, I don't want to

(59:11):
read another book and I didn't for years so.
Funny, right after high school is when I started reading.
Yeah, I never read in high school.
I was like fuck this. Oh, man, yeah, that was that was
all we did was. But I can imagine, you know,
growing up in Nazi Germany whereyou grew up and they're like,
what are you doing? And then like at night, our
bedtime was super early and I. All cloaked with Jesus too.

(59:35):
I remember going to bed and like, hiding under my covers
with a flashlight reading books because if my mom saw the light
and knew that I was reading, she'd get mad at me.
But yet I'd stay up reading at night because, well, I couldn't
fall asleep yet. And.
It was just something and you found an ability to be able to
be fond of it. You just didn't like being
forced to do it. Yeah.

(59:55):
And that was the problem was I had gone through school where
you had to read whatever they wanted you to read.
Didn't mean it was a good story,well written, whatever it was,
just whatever. And they wanted you to gather
what they wanted you to gather from the story, correct.
And that was it. Well, that's not why I'm reading
a book is to learn what you wantme to learn.
I'm reading a book to gather whatever the fuck I'm going to

(01:00:16):
gather from this book. See, I, I knew like back when I
was in second grade, I remember this very vividly.
I had this teacher. I had a separate English class
and we had four computers there,Green screen, big fucking tube
thing, huge keyboard thing and then they.

(01:00:37):
Ask computers. Right.
I mean, these were the first ones in this school.
They only had four. And they told us we had to write
a story and tell it in front of the class.
OK. And this teacher was awesome.
And, you know, I procrastinate. I've always procrastinated.
I'm not going to say like, I'm just lazy.
I just procrastinate. I'm often been.

(01:00:57):
Until last minute, usually. And that's when some of my best
work comes out. And when I got in front of the
class, all I had was a blank piece of paper.
And all I remember was the teacher's face was just smiling
the whole time. I don't remember.
The whole story was about Superman.
And at the end, he's like, can Ihave that?
And I said, yeah. And it's a blank piece of paper.

(01:01:18):
And he started laughing. He goes, you made that all up?
And I said, yeah. And he goes he he wrote an A on
it because he was like, man, if you could do that now, Yeah,
what could you do later? And nobody who gave anything to
that I wrote all growing up. Yeah, a lot of poetry to girls.
I wrote a lot. Surprisingly, I wrote like this

(01:01:40):
long ass story in 6th grade and then because.
You you wanted to explore. Yeah, and then there was history
in junior, freshman or sophomoreyear at temp, you and I didn't
care for school. I didn't like my teachers.
I didn't like. It was a whole new school.
I didn't pay attention at all. And then the test came around
and there was an essay question on tell me about the Civil War

(01:02:03):
and what happened. I'm like, fuck, I, I don't
remember what she's asking for. Like I don't remember these
dates and all this stuff. So I'm like, I'm going to write
a story and I still remember thestory.
It was about Chungo the elf and how he helped the the
Confederate army to win the Civil War.
And so now we held Texas and shewrote this big F on the top of

(01:02:25):
my paper because I had absolutely.
But she was like, great story though.
To my ever remind me of my brother when he was in he was
finishing up his bachelor's and he had a sneaking suspicion that
one of his professors wasn't reading his papers.
But he always got an A Oh shit. And so he purposely wrote in the

(01:02:45):
middle of his argument about Smokey the Bear and how how the
world had fucked up not paying attention to him and how he went
on a killing spree. All this shit he put in there,
dude. And he turns in the paper and
then they get it back, back whenthey were still doing physical
paper and he got an A on it. And he goes, hey, professor,
just wanted to ask you a few questions about my paper and go,

(01:03:07):
oh, yeah, yeah, what? What's up?
What you think about my paper, Rafa?
One of the best. It's awesome.
You do great work. So I love reading your stuff.
He goes. Yeah.
What did you think about the metal?
It was a good balance. Really.
Can I read some of it to you? And he started reading it and
the guy starts laughing. He goes by TA Reddit but I
already told him that you do great work so who cares.
Oh, that's hilarious. He's like, all that time I'm

(01:03:30):
like, yeah, dude, all that time going to class, putting in the
fucking work for nothing. Yeah, because he was just like,
yeah, he's good. But you know, my brother never
did anything with that. Never did anything with that.
It's like your. Brother talks, you know, we
because it's, it's like no one teaches you to follow that spark
of creativity of like, hey, you were really brilliant at this
when you were little and it justcame naturally and you didn't

(01:03:52):
even realize it. And instead of just pursuing it
because someone believed in you and saw that and pushed you to
follow that because they're like, you would do amazing
things like this and you would really fucking love it because
you did it effortlessly and it felt like nothing.
You know, and the hardest thing for us, I've been kind of
contemplating why I feel like I,I can't lift off again.

(01:04:13):
And, and the biggest contributorwas that when I went to Fun
Launch Partners, You guys want to check it out, Fun Launch
Partners, I'll put a link over there.
The reason why it was so great was the guy who was running was
talking about all the things that he did, all the risks that
he took. And yeah, he's wealthy, but he
doesn't care about that. He talked about how his friends

(01:04:35):
changed against him because he became successful.
They he would wanted to get together with him and they
treated him differently. They weren't as nice to him.
And he's still every once in awhile gets together with him.
But he's like, when you change your mindset of you can do
anything you want, there's goingto be a lot of people over there
who are angry and will treat youdifferent because they don't

(01:04:58):
understand why you can do it andthey can't.
Because they feel like they can't do it.
Exactly. They're not allowed to because
of. But they've been told not to.
They've been told not to go. All of us.
Yeah. And when we push against it like
all anybody wants to say, and it's that comfort part, they're
like, hey, just comfortable salary, same thing five days a

(01:05:20):
week. And the older generation, they
don't understand that you guys fucked us.
You fucked us to the point wherewe can't.
We're paying more money forever aging population to a live.
And it's not saying it's bad. It was just a bad program.
And so but we pay for it. Are my son, your kids, you know,

(01:05:44):
getting to working age, they will pay for it.
They will pay for their retirement.
And when they get upset going, well, I paid into the system.
So did we. And we're not getting it because
the reason why it's going bankrupt.
It just can't sustain if if we can shift our focus more towards
connection, you know, communication.

(01:06:06):
That's why I got so I I, I honestly, dude, it was such a
even though I'm dipping my toe back into marketing, I'm doing
it from a different purview. I'm not looking at it from how
can I manipulate, but how can I inspire?
How can I help somebody realize that they could do something
like these this hair, the Cosmetology Institute.

(01:06:27):
I might be working. With really shortly.
Yeah, yeah. Like, they've got a goal.
Like, we just want to help people create a better, better
life for them. So, you know, hair care was one
of the most expensive things in history.
Wigs. Oh yeah, hair.
So it's like. Well, I mean, we've talked about
it, Yeah. Art, women going, getting their
hair done. It's hundreds of dollars
usually, but that's. So it's totally worth, I think

(01:06:49):
it's worth it, you know, becausethere's this feel.
It's just that's how it is. Though, and there's attention to
detail, there's. Skill involved.
It's an art. It's like going as a tattoo
artist or something, and you're like, I want you to turn me into
some creation, make me look however.
Well, OK Well, any monkey can cut your hair.

(01:07:09):
Yeah. Yeah.
But if you want your hair to look nice, you want it to look
really good, well, you go to someone who's a really good
artist. Yeah.
Because they understand the actual art.
They understand OOP, the symmetry of your body.
Shaping and maybe way that your hair moves and going, hey, would
you be OK if we tried this different style because your
hair actually like they might understand way more of your hair

(01:07:31):
than you do. I wish there was ladies like
that when I was growing up. I need to cut my hair because it
was always like, me too. Yeah.
Van Damme has that haircut. I want that haircut.
Like, your face isn't built for that.
You have a square head, Jesse. Like no, no.
No, see, mine was never that. Mine was.
Aunt Michelle knows how to cut hair, so she's here.
She's going to cut your hair. OK, well she taught me how to

(01:07:51):
cut hair, so now I'm going to cut your hair.
And that was my haircuts until Iwas.
You've been cool, Dean. The floby.
I think I got my first haircut at a salon when I was 18.
Not me, my parents wouldn't evendare touch it.
I I if if they knew I how much Ilike being bald, yeah they would
have hooked that shit up a long time ago.
Probably cost them one. Clippers last them like 6 years.
Right. Especially back then, dude.

(01:08:13):
But it is that dude. It's it we we have.
We've allowed ourselves to be comfortably numb, and it's not
like some big conspiracy. We bought into it because we
like comfort. We just enjoy comfort too much.
Pink Floyd has a song on it. It's been around for ages.
Comfortably numbs. Not anything dude.
Can we can we put the link down below for that?
We can throw a link to it. Let's do that.

(01:08:34):
Also, somebody asked about the comedian.
I don't. Remember, I put it in I, I went
and found it this morning. Which was it?
Which comedian? Maddie Smith, I think.
And it was the one that was like, oh, I don't trust people
who? Yeah, that one was.
It was really funny. So I did.
I put the link in it. That episode is San Fernando
Valley on. Gib San Fernando Valley.
So if you guys want to check that out also for those who had

(01:08:55):
gone and bought us a coffee, they closed that account because
apparently they don't allow cannabis products or creators on
their platform. So we're back on Patreon and I
realized we can build more of a community there.
We can have more conversations and we can connect with you.
There's actually a chat that we can have what?
Yeah, built into Patreon so we can have an active chat just for

(01:09:18):
the. Community so cool instead of
just going through the comments and stuff like that we.
Can go directly through and we can also still post on there
have other posts, but there's a direct chat that we can have hey
and for a community chat. If you're in there, start
throwing ideas into there what you would like to see, people
you'd like us to interview because we'll try, and then
topics that you think are cool because you know we want to.

(01:09:39):
Grab a message from Abe about a new episode topic.
So we'll throw that in. Yeah, I like it.
Messages Wesley sent some happy Father's Day messages.
Love you, Wesley. Guys, happy Father's Day.
I mean, it's past, but happy belated to all of you fuckers.
Who are all of you motherfuckers?
Yeah, yeah, and for those who aren't paying child support,

(01:09:59):
well, hey, don't worry about it.Get back to it when you can.
But anyways, no, guys. Hey, we love you guys.
Great being able to chat. What do you think about today's
conversation? We're going to be having guests
here very soon. We've got Johnny Ritchie from
Rockwell, but he has got this crazy life dude from Nitro
Circus. Oh my God, yeah, I remember that

(01:10:22):
because they were big into that.The I think Rockwell has a
monster truck now, so well, let's see if we can go up to
Woods Cross and get some photos on that.
That'd be. Cool.
Yeah, that'd be cool as hell, dude.
Well, hey guys, until next time.Catch you later.

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