The Sesh — Tattooing Through the Breakdown w/ Spencer Rogich - Cannabis School

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis
school. Having cannabis infused
conversations. With everyday people.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh I haven't
had. A bomb for a minute.
I think the last time I had a bomb I almost died in the.
You one on this? What's that?
Oh, what? You mean you you almost died in

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the Ogden River? Shit I got 2 bags bro and we
were we were drinking beer. And I had a.
And my and we're doing the OgdenRiver and it was like a little
like flat kayak type deal. Asked my buddy if you know, we
need our life jackets and shit. And he's like, no, we're good.
We're the last people to go. And I got fucked up bro.
We I should have died. Oh no, thought I.

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Was going to get hypothermia. It was Jesus shit.
So we'll see. We'll see how this bong RIP.
Goes. So last name.
Rogge, Rogge, Rogge Rogge. Yeah, it's Croatian.
OK. Yeah, yeah, I can see that in
the eyes. Yeah, yeah, really.
Yeah. The brow in the eyes.
What's funny about Croatia, bro?So I went, so I've always wanted

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to go to Greece. And so I went to Greece.
And then so I was, I was marriedand I went to Thailand for my
graduation trip from college andmy ex-wife wanted to go to
Greece. And I was like, well, if we're
going to Greece, we got to hit Croatia too.
And Croatia, bro, is like my favorite place that I've been.
But when I was in Greece, I was like telling everybody that I'm

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Croatian, like let him know my last name.
And they're like, we don't like Croatians.
So I was just like, fuck, all right.
Like, you know, I'm all excited.I'm like 20 probably.
Like fuck, 2223, maybe 24 you all excited, you know what I
mean? It's like the second time I've
done a big international trip. I'm like thinking I'm going to

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like become buddy buddies with people out there and it's it was
not the IT was not the vibe and I was just like, all right,
cool, Like I'll keep my mouth shut.
It's. Crazy.
But I like, I like Croatia. Croatia better than than Greece.
I mean, Croatia, yeah bro, it was.
Tell us about that, Croatia. Yeah, Croatia was sick, bro.

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So we went to Dubrovnik. So it's where they filmed Game
of Thrones. Oh cool.
Like all the Game of Thrones stuff.
And I'd never seen Game of Thrones, but I just knew that it
was poppin, you know what I mean?
And so, you know, they have the the wall that you can be on top
of and there's the water and stuff around it, clearest water
that I've seen. And you can take a gondola up

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and then you can look over like the old, all of the harbor.
Because I think it was probably like, I don't know what exactly,
but I'm sure it was probably something to do with like the
pirates and stuff. Because that's how it was in
Santorini where you have all theWhite Houses.
So they have the White Houses onthe hill because it was to
camouflage them from the pirate ship.
Yeah, yeah. That's Greece is that way.

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Yeah, because the pirates would raid and so the the houses would
be white. So they would because the, the
the the backdrop is white and soyou can't really see it from
afar. And so.
But yeah bro, Santorini was probably the most serene place
I've ever been, but Croatia I liked better.
Why is that? I don't know bro, maybe maybe

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just the place that I was at, like I like being around the
water. Like when I went to Athens,
Athens felt a little bit dirty. I wouldn't saw like the
Parthenon and stuff like that. So I think I would appreciate it
now since I'm more into art, youknow what I mean?
We saw the yeah, the, the Parthenon and then went through
like, the museums and stuff, andI didn't really appreciate it.
Like, I feel like I spent a lot of time not being present, if

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that makes sense. Yeah.
It was just like rushing. Early mid 20s.
Early, yeah. I was probably like 24.
So I graduated in 2016 in college and it's so yeah, I was
probably 28 years or 25, something like that.
Yeah. And I was trying to be present,
bro. Like I even when I went to
Croatia, I remember I was like, I'm not going to take pictures.

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And now I'm bummed bro because Ihave like one picture of man but
I. It's.
I did the same thing as the baby.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't take any pictures.
Yeah. Bro.
I have like a handful. But it was also different.
It wasn't like your cell phone at the time.
No, no, it was like disposables and stuff, but other people were
doing it, man. They, they document their life

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and I have such a vivid memory. Vivid.
You do too. Like I can tell by your artwork
going through it. Like not like everything's
supposed to like, well, no, I, I'm very firm believer that
everything happens for a reason.And I have been like, I have a
very good friend of mine, great artist.

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I want him to do some more of mywork.
I want to expand my work, but I've been hesitant on one thing.
And that's my, my left. I'm left arm.
I'm going to do a sleep, but starting up top and going down.
And it's a meaningful side for me.
But I'm like, I got to find the right artist and your lines.
Bro not only my lines but I I meditate on my designs you know

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what I mean? Like no.
I have a sound chair and I play Sol Fuego Freak frequencies and
so you're getting the frequency from start to finish.
So everything that I do is with intention.
Yeah, the there's a thing. I use tuning forks when people
get tattooed like I use the six three.
Santo. Yeah, Palo Santo, Yeah.
He does a very methodical ritual.

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Yeah, I pray, I meditate, I I use affirmation, I give
affirmation cards, but I don't and I don't tell people I do.
Any of Is that how you started your?
No bro. So there was this girl.
Her name is Alissian Arch Super sick.
She's in Australia. But one of my clients, she
wanted to get it. She wanted to get a tattoo from

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her, but she didn't want to go to Australia.
And so she was like, hey, I wantto get this intuitive,
intentional tattoo. It was a Sternum 1, Super dope,
but I was like all right, cool. And so then I was looking up the
girl and I saw she offered classes and so I took a class.
Guys I spent like 10 grand on tattoo courses.
Cool. Yeah, I'm always trying to
improve. Always trying to improve.

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I got tattooed in LA just to go and learn, you know what I mean?
No, that's so cool because there's a lot of artists that
are just like, you know, the IT becomes, I don't know, it's like
the difference of an architect and a framer.
Exactly. It's a tattoo or in a tattoo
artist. Exactly.
Like I don't like. I don't skip the artist part.
Like if you want something from me, it's custom.

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I don't. I don't.
I'm not. Yeah, you're not in the.
Business of no and I'm tracing no bro and I'm putting my energy
into it. So it's like the design like the
I design with the universe. Like when I'm designing I design
with the universe. Like I don't know how to explain
that, but I do. No, no, no, no, I totally get.
That and it's exactly what they need.
Like this is crazy bro. So there's a girl she's gotten
tattooed from me a few times andshe wanted a intuitive spine

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piece. So I'm really big for doing
intuitive spine pieces. She told me she was having a
hard time getting pregnant. Check this out.
I did a maternity symbol in her in her spine tattoo.
She got pregnant her next trimester and I'm like, there
could be the power of the minds like.
No intention. It's intention.
I don't know, bro. Like I put intention all the

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time. And so I believe God has given
me the ability to heal people. Like I feel like I'm, I'm a
healer, you know what I mean? My dad does Reiki.
I'm teaching my dad how to tattoo.
So my dad will do Reiki and thenhe will imprint the symbol of
whatever they need into them andlock that in 'cause when you're
getting tattooed, bro, that's alchemy.
That's purest form. Yeah.
Like it's changing the DNA structure.
And when you have somebody who is meditating and they're

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holding the intention on what they want, I'm using the 639
tuning fork, which most of the time people are getting tattooed
because it's something that's heartfelt.
So the 639 frequency is for yourheart chakra.
And so all of that is going in there.
So you're, you're you're going in with good energy.
And so when you have that good energy, you lock it in and then
you can activate that tattoo at any time.

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And when you activate it, it's like the olfactory, you know
what I mean? It's like you smell something.
Yeah. But what do you think happens
when you have pain? What do you think that does to
your body? What do you think that does to
your receptors? That's a permanent.
That's permanent. You know what I mean?
Like, if you're ever like, like,like I can just experience what
this tattoo was and I feel the heart of Christ, you know what I
mean? Yeah.
Like I have the thorns on my fingers.

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It hurt, you know what I mean? But I was present through it
all. So it's like, whatever, there's
like, doubt or anything like that, I can look at my finger
and I can activate. What was the intention behind
getting this tattoo? Yeah, you're placing your mind
into an ego state of absolution,so you're being able to be able
to harness everything inside andusing the exterior to bend to

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your will. I I love that man.
Because it's like, you know, thetattoos, the few that I have,
they're meaningful. Yep.
In their sense. And they still hold meaning.
Yep. But then I also see like getting
a cover of a tat. I totally get that.
I've got kanji on my left arm because it was it.
Dude this is funny bro. This is going to get weird.

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Watch it means wet bro you know,is that love like?
Is that love on your left side? Check this out homie.
Should I? Yeah, get the fuck out of here.
Dude that was my first ever tattoo bro.
Dude when I was 17. Oh.
That's crazy. Love it.
Yeah. The synchronicities are insane.
That's so cool. Man, bro, well, my. 1st.

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Tat I mean, you know too. It was awesome.
I I go to your insta and and you're bold and that's what I
love about you already man. I got my head tattooed that
says. A lot.
Well, I mean, you know what though?
I mean, knowing from intention, like, that's really cool.
Like my friend, he's a great artist, but he's like, give me
what you want. He goes.
I know what I really enjoy. He loves watercolor.

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He likes horror art because he appreciates that as yeah,
absolutely art for himself. And I mean, you can tell you
look at his works and you're like, oh, that's cool, that's
cool. And then you see his heart in
it. Yeah.
And you're just like. Because that's the art.
It's the art from the artist. Like even my, my cross, when I

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got it done, I went in and I waslike, oh, hey, I just want this
basic plain ass cross like. And he was like, OK.
And well, then he was like, oh, can I can I like tweak it?
Can I change it? And I was like, yeah, you're the
artist. Like that's the whole point.
I'm not an artist. I'll come in and go, here's my
idea. But like, I don't know, fuck it,
make it your own. Bro, I love hearing that because

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it's like some people are like, I like I went in to Colombia
because I got this tattoo like 2weeks ago and I was like, I want
to cross on my wrist, on my hand.
And he's like, I wouldn't, he's like, have you thought about the
Sacred Heart? And I was like, what's the
Sacred Heart? Yeah, he's like, oh, you should
look it up. He's like, well, the, the cross,
it's going to bend. The cross ain't going to bend.
Bro. I've seen all these sort all
sorts of people that have crosses on their hand, but it's

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like I just trusted the process.I'm like, I'm an intuitive
tattooer. I didn't even know what the fuck
this dudes work look like. You know what I mean?
And you just felt it. Is swearing OK?
Yeah, yeah. Oh fuck yeah.
OK, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you know, I love Jesus and I cuss a lot.
We are on the same page man. The the secreticities dude for
sure continue. Continue.

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So I, I had no idea what this dude's work look like.
I because I was literally talking to my homie when we got
to Colombia because he got a tattoo when because I, me and
him met in Costa Rica, he got puta Vida on his, on his foot,
you know, for pure life. And I was like, you know what,
like I'm in this chapter of my life.
I just gone through like a separation.
I'm in this like new beginning of my life, like I'm going to

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get a tattoo out here. And I was like, I'm really
feeling called like I, I, I started feeling the spirit of
Jesus like a, a week before I got to Colombia.
And when I got to Colombia, I, Ifelt that heavily.
And so I was like, I want to getthe cross here.
And I was drunk, bro. I was drunk at this point, you
know what I mean? I was drunk.
I was smoking weed and shit, andI was asking somebody, you know,

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where's a good tattoo shop, And he's like right there.
And I was like, like, literally across the street he's like,
Yep. And I was like, oh, for a
reason. In my mind, I'm like, there's no
fucking way. Like what?
You know what I mean? And I was like, OK.
Where is it? Oh, it's.
Right here. And normally I would been like,
absolutely not. But I was just in this stage of
my life where I was just like, you know what, fuck it.
Like I'm a synchronistic artist.Like I'm following, you know,

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all these things that are occurring and I'm trust, you
know, my clients are showing up to me and don't even know if
they're getting tattooed. You know what I mean?
They just trust it. It's a symbiotic connection
between a client and an artist. You have to have that trust.
And so I went up there and I wastelling him and I just see this
dude bro, me and him lock eyes and I'm like, this is my fucking

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dude, isn't it? You know what I mean?
And they're doing like walk up tattoos.
And I'm like, I've never thoughtof getting a walk up tattoo.
And I'm like, you know what, Like I'm let's do a cross on my
hands. Like I've spent a lot of money
on my tattoos. But I was like, you know what?
Even if this gets fucked up, like.
It's meaningful. It's meaningful and it's in a
country and this is an experience.
And I was just like, you know what, fuck it, let's do it.
And I'm like talking to him and he talks to me out of getting

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across and he's like, let's do the Sacred Heart.
It's like, what's the Sacred Heart?
And he's like explaining to me, it's basically the heart of
Jesus. And I look up the Sacred Heart
and it's like, it's, it's forgiveness for sinners.
And I was like, wow, fuck, that's, that's the path that I'm
on right now. You know what I mean?
And I don't even care to look upwhat his work is.
I, I've just trusted him. Yeah.
I was just like, and my, my buddies like, should be like,

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Are you sure you want to do this?
I was like, absolutely. And he didn't have anything that
day. He had it the next day.
And so my homie's birthday was the next day.
He got like a reservation for a table in, in this like popular
club out there. And I, I was like, well, I'm
going to get tattooed, bro. Like I don't know, like I'll,
I'll my appointment was supposedto be at 4:00.
We ended up getting done with the tattoo at 2 AMI.

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Don't know how that worked, but it was just what it was.
You know, I went and got food and it was cool because it was
like he was designing. I was vibing like it was like
like I feel like some people show up to tattoo appointments
and it's like, how long is it's going to be?
It's like it's going to be 3 hours and 10 minutes.
I'm like, fuck, I have no idea, bro.
Like, well, I'm creating this with you.
Like we're creating this together.
Like I was tattoo until 3:00 AM last week because I think in

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this tattoo is going to be, you know, 3 hours.
I charge her for three hours andI'm doing like 10 hours of work,
you know what I mean? But I'm having fun like for the
first time. Like I'm like, I'm enjoying
myself, you know, I mean like snacking on candy and shit.
Tattoo until 3:00 AM. Like it was a vibe, you know
what I mean? Like I'm like this is.
This time well spent. Exactly when did your tattooing
go from like that skill to almost like that mirror or this

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vibe connection? Yeah, so that so going back to
that Elysian art girl. So I took her, her her course.
So she teaches you how to do it.You know what I mean?
And she talks about intention and all the things.
And she would do like not is it sigils where you would like,
right. You would write what the word is
and then you would create an image from it.
I think it's a sigil. OK, I haven't done that.

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But what I would do is I would literally just design with the
universe because I would set with like the intention.
I would ask people what they were feeling, you know what I
mean? And she was just like, I have,
you know, you have complete freedom.
And so I'm like, OK, like here'syour what's your story?
OK, so we did, I think we did like butterfly wings or
something. And it's like I explained, I'm
like, OK, the butterfly wings are for transformation.
This is what you're going through right now.

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Here's some alchemical symbols. Why we put these in here?
Here's some Viking runes. This is why we put this in
there. You know what I mean?
Like whatever, whatever somebodylike wants as far as their
intention goes. And after I did this tattoo, I
was like, because I started getting a little bit into
spirituality when I first started tattooing, that's when I
got into crystals and all that sort of stuff.

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And so it's like it's been calling me for a hot minute, you
know what I mean? And I feel like this is what
like my calling is, is to heal people through art.
But I get AI, get AI get a do art because that was what I was
passionate about when I was a kid and I I could talk for
fucking ever bro. So like if you.
No, dude, you do it, do it, do it.
No, no, this is. Awesome, I got crazy ADHD so I
could just. Go and I Brandon's been dealing

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with this for like fucking ever,dude.
This is what our show is. Yeah, this is me.
This. I'm always just like going up
and then it'll pull him in. OK this.
Is the perfect rabbit hole some more of?
That dude for sure. Smoke all you want, there's a
whole bunch more. Yeah, bro, we're cannabis.
Infused. Conversations.
Oh right, right by your lighter.Yeah, I really appreciate.

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I mean man, the synchronicities on this man.
That's so when you were a kid, Iwas doing some research.
You did like art was a passion. You used to do like hours of
art. All the time so when I was in
junior high, I've actually talked about this story a few
times lately, so it's crazy you.Should put your mic in just to
oh shit you're good just when when you're actually recording

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him. Yeah.
So when I was when I was a kid, I would do, I would have an art
class in junior high and my art teacher was good bro.
Like he was really fucking good.And I was like in art class with
some like Picasso's and junior high, you know what I mean?
I would be drawn like 4 hours a day trying to just perfect this
one thing. And for whatever reason, my

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brain just couldn't like get it.Like the best I could do was
like AB Plus I remember I got anA -. 1 time and that discourages
the fuck out of me because I waslike I never got to be in the
display case. My friends were getting into the
display case and I'm like, this is bullshit.
Like, I'm putting in so much work.
Yeah. And I was so passionate about
it. I'm like, maybe I'm just not
good at it, you know what I mean?
Yeah. And so then it turned to like,

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yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was passionate as fuck.
Like, I loved it, you know what I mean?
And then it was like, then football and girls and shit like
that became more important. High school.
Then I started smoking weed. And then when COVID happened, it
was I was 28 years old and I waslike, OK, like I was, I was
working for a company doing, I was selling transportation

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software to Fortune 500 companies.
So I just sold a multi $1,000,000 deal to Johnson and
Johnson. And I was going to like, at this
point I was just like, OK, like what else do I do?
It was COVID. I wasn't really having to work.
I was playing video games and I became depressed and I was like,
I'm making, I'm on the verge of making multiple 6 figures and

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I'm not happy. What did I like doing when I was
a kid? And so then I just start like I
started drawing a little bit like the year prior, like just a
little bit. And I, and, but it never like
caught my interest until I was like, what did I like doing when
I was a kid? And that's when it sparked the
interest of tattooing. And I was, I was married at the
time and my ex-wife, she wanted to do microblading.

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And so we, we set up a studio inour house in the basement to do
microblading. And I was like, how are you
going to get your clients? And she's like Instagram.
And I was like, how the fuck areyou going to do that?
Because I was trying to be an online trainer.
I've done bodybuilding, I've done 9 shows.
And so I was helping people get ready for bodybuilding shows and
I was trying to figure out how to make it as a, as a fitness

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influencer and an online coach. And it was like, I would be
following and unfollowing peopleall fucking day.
Was working, you know what I mean?
Was trying to get a client. And I finally got one of my, I
got one person who paid me $100 for one month, all that fucking
work. And so I was like, how are you
going to get clients? And then all of a sudden we
there's girls coming over getting microblading and shit.

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And I'm like, how the fuck are you doing this?
Like you, this is actually working.
And so then eventually she was like, I want to learn how to
tattoo. And I was like, well, if you're
going to learn how to tattoo, I'm going to learn how to tattoo
too. And so then she took a course
and then she brings home a banana and we're tattooing this
banana. You know what I do like a pistol
and it look like like a fucking L, like a sideways L is

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terrible, right? Like I had no clue what I was
doing, but I was like, that was fun.
That was fun. And so then I went down to 25th
St. and I started working on this sleeve because, you know, I
started getting tattooed when I was 17 and I started working on
this sleeve. And Jeremy, my mentor, he was,
he was basically, he was tattooing me, but I was like, I

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was getting tattooed because I was also like, I want to figure
out how to get into the shop, you know what I mean?
And so I started showing him my work because I was going to
apprentice under this other guy because he was a family friend,
my my wife's family or my ex wife's family.
And so he was having me just draw traditional type tattoos.
And I was like, all right, cool.So I have like, I still have my,

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my journal of or my binder of all the stuff that I was
drawing. You know what I mean?
Yeah, it's really dope because Iwas doing a lot of traditional
stuff. And but anyways, when I got into
the tattoo shop and I was showing him all my work and he's
like, oh bro, if I knew you could if I knew you could draw,
I would have gotten you in here.And I was like, well, if I get
some people in here to tattoo, can I?
And he's like, sure, I was like,all right, cool.

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And so my dad put a post out on Facebook and one of his clients.
She was cool. Bro this is a really cool and am
I good to keep? Going.
Dude, OK, so this was a really cool story.
So my first ever tattoo, this was during COVID and this girl
was like, we were trying, we theshop was trying to figure out
like what to do. Like, so we were like, you know,

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doing temperature checks for everybody, having to wear masks,
all that stuff. And I was never wanting to wear
masks, but I was, you know, abiding by it.
And this girl tells me by the way I I read lips and I was
like, OK. Cool.
Cool. Like like almost like I have a
goldfish type shit, you know what I mean?
Like I didn't put two and two together.
At all my Dick's 13 inches wrongstarting up a spleen, right?

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Yeah. I'm like, OK, like sweet.
Sweet. Like random shit.
We know. Yeah, we're on the same page.
Now you go. Popped out the more you know
where the fuck. Exactly.
Exactly. But it was.
But it came with a meaning though.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, a big fucking meaning,
bro. So I was like, OK, cool.

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So we have masks on and I think we do a temperature check and
I'm probably, I think I probablywas talking to her, but I wasn't
like really thinking like I was fucking nervous, bro.
This is my first ever tattoo, first ever 1 and I'm doing it
behind the ear. Behind the ear is a terrible
place to do your first tattoo. That sounds pain.

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I had no supervision and I was doing it with a coil machine.
And so as loud as fuck, you knowwhat I mean?
And I'm like tattooing her and I'm sweating bullets bro.
Like I'm literally sweating bullets and I'm just like Oh my
fuck, you know what? I'm like tattooing her and I'm
like, how's it going? Like how you doing nothing, you
know what I mean? We have masks on because this is
COVID. And I'm like, oh fuck, this is

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way worse than I thought. Like I'm doing shitty.
No one's watching me. This girl's not even responding
to me and I'm just like fuck, like I'm done tattooing.
Like this is not for me. I fucked up, you know what I
mean? The dude who's supposed to be
like helping me, he's tattooing next to me, but he's not
watching me. And I was like, what the fuck,

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You know what I mean? And then finally she takes off
her mask and that's when it was like the when somebody who's
when somebody is deaf and they're like wah wah kind of
thing. And I mean 0 disrespect by that.
But that's when I was like, oh, that's what you mean by you read
lips. And then I realized that she was
deaf and. She couldn't hear.
You she couldn't hear me? Yeah, and I'm like fucking

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freaking out, you know what I mean?
Because I'm like, I'm tattooing by her ear.
I tattooed fake skin like once or twice.
I did AI still have this too. I tattooed family and my shading
was dots. It was dots.
And I was like, who? I'm starting tattoos?
Who wants them? And that's when people just
started hitting me up and I was like, well, I guess I'm a tattoo
artist now. Damn.

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Fuck, so four years? I mean, what's that journey been
like? I'm sure your art has changed so
much in that amount of time. You've changed.
You've changed a lot. Man, bro, yeah, I changed so
much in the last three weeks. Yeah.
Like I'm an entirely different person.
Like after finding God, I'm an entirely different person.
It's like I'm, I'm like aware and I'm awake for the first

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time, you know what I mean? Like I'm finally present.
Like when I was telling you about when I went to, you know,
when I was travelled, I'd like, I've done safaris and shit like
that. I've done a lot of cool things.
I've been all over the world andI'm like, I don't feel like I
was really present for it. I go and sit.
I was laying in my backyard yesterday in the grass, you know
what I mean? I just smoked a joint with my
dad and you know, I'm just laying in the grass and I'm just

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like just sitting there just like this is life.
Like this is life unfolding. You know what I mean?
Like just super present. And I'm like, why the fuck was I
not present like that until now?Like I've done so much cool shit
that I don't even feel like I was even there for.
And it makes me a little bit frustrated but I'm like.
Isn't it so hard to be present though like that initial to

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learn how to shift out of? Whatever it was before, it's
very difficult. It's like something, I mean, I
meditate daily. I'm sitting in the sauna.
I'm always doing stuff to try topractice it.
But what I realized is when I was tattooing, I was just in a
state of flow. And that's where I believe a lot
of my spirituality came from is because I was just present and I
was allowing the universe because I would be asking for,

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you know, knowledge of the, the,you know, universal language,
you know what I mean? I would do breath work and I
would go to outer space. I would see, you know, the blue
guys, their heads. I would, you know, see Egypt
and, you know, seeing the the scarabs at the bottom and the
snakes crawling up and I saw that.
I saw that breath work for what's that?
How long was it that you've beendoing breath work for?

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I think I started doing it like 2 years ago.
Wow, yeah, that created all this.
Yeah, brother, the, the, no, I mean, I've done ayahuasca, I've
done DMT, I've done it all. You know what I mean?
Like I started doing, I did psychedelics when I was 17.
I did mushrooms for the first time and you know, and, and
ayahuasca called to me for like a solid year and a half and then

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I finally did it. But breath work, bro, that was.
That was more of an intense experience than any other
psychedelic I've ever done. 100%my.
Aliens, bro. Like I went down, I went down, I
went down a raft and I saw all the deities, bro.
I saw Jesus, I saw Krishna, I saw Buddha.

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There was like 12 or 15 of them.And I went down this raft and
then I was going down by myself.And then I was like, well, what
about my, what about my wife? And then all of a sudden this
other thing comes in and then wefucking spiral to the, the outer
space and then we're like floating around in space and
shit. I got a 12 minute recording of
this. This is This is.
That's way more intense than anypsychedelic.
Experience I anymore. Bro no way more mine was.

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I mean, mine was so crazy when Iwas doing it, like it was
awesome that the guy who was leading it, man, he had this
whole just he, he, it was just supposed to be.
I didn't even want to go to thisthing.
It was a buddy of mine. He's like, man, we're going to
do breath work. And I'm like, fuck, dude, I'm
not going to get in this shit. Dude.
I'm I'm stressing out about life.
I ain't got fucking time for this.

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And he's texting me. He's like the nicest guy in the
world, Micah. And he's like, hey, man, I'm so
excited for you to be there. And I'm like, I am at a point in
my life where I'm like, I'm looking for this spirituality,
but I'm not finding it. And and then all of a sudden I
go there and as I'm going through it, the breath work, I
don't even it's on autopilot. And I imagine, dude, it's crazy.

(26:55):
You ever do You saw, do you saw strangers things, right?
Yeah, yeah. You remember when that chicks
like floating up in the sky and they're like, oh shit, So that's
me. But imagine this, you're in a
Dome, but it's completely white and you can't see any seams.
And I'm floating up. And then this guy hits this
gong. And when he hits the gong, the

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whole just the entirety of everywhere just colors,
undescribable colors. And I'm just going up.
And then I just. Start like Tibetan.
Vibes or yes, yes, those, yes. Perfect, perfect.
That's the best explanation I have been able.
To place like your past life. Yeah, yeah.

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You know, and I, I've had a lot of those experiences.
You know, this is, it's fucking crazy, right?
My friend, we grew up together, name's Amber.
And she is just, she calls and she's like, yeah, I talked to
dead people. Yeah, yeah, this crazy bitch.
And then I'm like, all right, I.Believe that shit though.

(27:58):
But no, dude, she no. And, and she said, dude, it was
crazy. We're talking on the phone.
She's like, we haven't talked inover 30 years.
And then all of a sudden we're on a phone call just randomly
from a Facebook post. And I said, hey, I don't know
why I'm reaching out to you, butwe're supposed to talk.
And she's like, I've been feeling this for weeks.

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We start talking and she's like,yeah, but I do this.
But I'm intuitive too. I can almost, I'm almost
telepathic. And she goes, you know this
because you do the same thing. And I was like, but I said, how
do you know that? And she goes, because I asked
you. She fucking could, dude.
Bro I've experienced that a few times in the last like 4 weeks.

(28:39):
That's. No, that's.
A. Big RIP.
But. Thank you, George Jetson.
Nah, man, like she's like she's known me.
We've known each other beyond this time 'cause I told her
about my my wife's great grandfather and I never met this

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guy before. I meet him at a family reunion.
We lock eyes and I've known him and I was going to say, how the
hell are you? He says I'm doing good.
He tells me about his life. We just like a.
Spirit. No, he was alive.
We were just talking, but we knew each other.
Like you could just sense it from a.
Past life. OK.

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Do you know about like soul contracts and all that stuff?
No. No, that's new.
So the movie Soul bro if you areyou a Disney fan?
Oh yeah. Yeah, so I, I, I love Disney,
bro. That's what's all over my Crocs,
but it's. All cool.
So Disney's very woke, so soul bro.
So soul talks about your soul contracts.
So before you come to Earth school, that's what Earth is,

(29:46):
right? Earth school, you, you, you want
to evolve your soul, just like humans want to evolve souls also
want to evolve, right? And so it's like, OK, I want to
go and work on self forgiveness level 10 because you've done
life a lot of times if you believe in reincarnation.
And so then you come back and you're like, OK, I want to get
level 10 self forgiveness. OK, you have to find somebody

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who also wants that match of whatever the opposition is.
So I want to level 10 compassion, whatever, right?
So they make this sole contract.And This is why you have crazy
shit that happens. And this may sound really fucked
up, but it's like if somebody's driving and somebody hits them
and they were a drunk driver, boom, that person dies.

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Or this person, this person may die.
And it's like this person's parent could be the person who
signed the contract of I want forgiveness.
And this person is the other onethat kills them.
And then that person, whatever their, whatever that contract
is, that's a that's, that's something that they agreed to
knowing what is about to take place on earth.
You know what I mean? Like if like the chosen ones,

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you know what I mean? Like people, the 144,000, like
the, the fallen angels, right? Those, those ones are the ones
who are like, I know what this world is about to become.
Look what we're experiencing, bro.
Look at the AI. Look at when we're in a
spiritual warfare like this. That's what's going on.
And you have the chosen ones whowas like, I know what world
this, this life is going to be. I'm going to come down.

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And then you start experiencing Christ consciousness.
Have you read The Untethered Soul?
Yeah, I have read that. Read The Untethered Soul.
Have you read The Cabalian? No, it's in my list of to do.
Bro, so the Cabalian will find you when you're meant to be when
it's supposed to find you because it's from the three
hermetics. OK, so it goes into the this I
think it's from the Cabalia, butit's it's basically the, the

(31:37):
universal laws or the, the, the laws of the universe.
There's 8 of them. That's where you get the term as
above, so below. OK, so your thoughts become your
reality. And so it's like we're we're
we're Co creating as we're existing.
Yeah, you know what I mean? And so it's like some people are
asleep and that's like why this system is designed to keep you

(31:58):
asleep. And then it's like the people
who are more aware, it's like we're creating the system.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Who? We're creating versus we are
creating. If you're sleeping, you're not.
And that's what I learned when Idid ayahuasca is we were
creators. And so we came to Earth school
to learn how to create. And so now once you tap into
that frequency, then you start creating with the universe.

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Well, source or yeah, that's that There's a lot of like
inventors even over like decadesand there yeah, who who were
like, hey, these ideas just cameinto my mind.
I was, you know, from source or universe or whatever it was that
they didn't think these ideas into existence.

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It was there and it was given tothem of like, here, build this
thing and this is how it'll all when they're like, oh, fuck.
And they draw it down and then they build it and outcomes this
incredible invention that now we're like, wait, what?
Where in the fuck did exactly? But yet they're like, Oh yeah,
no, I just had this hallucination or this vision or.
This you know, swing while they dropped acid.

(33:04):
You're right. Yeah, yeah.
The trees talk to them. Yep.
Oh, I dropped three tabs. And the trees talk to them, and
they learn how to make. We got telephone it.
Makes no fucking sense. None of it.
That makes no sense. Well in this sense it too man.
Like I constantly have this thought because I mean, you
know, we've, we've gone into like disasterism and a lot of

(33:26):
the shit that goes on, like people thinking that, you know,
Armageddon, but absolutely whereI think this has been done so
many times. Everything right now, just on a
different plane of existence andit just keeps happening over and
over. But when you talk about like
Christ, like the totally like I'd say about 8-9 months ago,

(33:46):
man, that's I just started hearing this, like hear my
words, hear my words, hear my words.
Crazy fucking story about that. So I was in the I was in the gym
and I started meeting some really cool people in the sun.
I feel like the sun is like the meeting place of like people who
are like. Collective minds.
Collective minds because it's like you're in there trying to

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get better. It's like you're there because
like why are you in the sauna? Like if you think like why is
somebody in the sauna, they're they're going through some shit.
I was in there because I was going through a fucking
herniated disc like that was like my exercise, you know what
I mean? Like I couldn't work out because
I would overdo it in the gym. And so me being in the sauna was
like, I would do that shit two times a day.
Like that was like my workout. And like, you start meeting cool

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people in there because it's like, well, we're in the sauna
like nobody's listening to musicbecause it's like everyone's
being present. They're trying to meditate or
they're just. Like 20°, yeah.
Yeah, And so you're just in there and you're like, and I see
this dude with a crystal and I'mlike, I like your crystal, you
know what I mean? Like, yeah, what, what, what
does it mean? Because at this point I'm like

(34:50):
really starting to learn about crystals, starting to understand
the meanings behind them and everything like that.
And you know, he's telling me and he's, he's talking, bro.
And I'm like, are you Jesus? He had long hair, all this
stuff. And I was like, are you Jesus?
Like I feel like you could be Jesus.
And he's like, no, but I'm really close.

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And he goes on to tell me he gets he, he got trained by a
ninth dimensional being. He was on the verge of killing
himself and got trained by a ninth dimensional being.
And I was like, Are you sure you're not Jesus?
And he's like, no, bro, but I'm really close to him.
And I was like, OK, and I was like, I just got this medallion
in Mexico. I spent 2 grand on it and I
didn't have two grand to spend, but I felt like I needed to get

(35:33):
this. And I was like, can you put
Christ consciousness in there? And he's like, what's it made
out of? Like I'm like, it's gold.
And he's like, yeah, I could do that.
And he puts it in his hand, bro,because he got, he got given.
I think it's the two keys are the keys.
They got key the keys from Jesus.
There's there's some keys videos.

(35:54):
From Enoch and stuff. Like, so basically gave him the
power to, like, give the keys topeople.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because it's Christ consciousness.
Correct. Yeah, it's what he gave you.
Possible when I'm telling you this bro this is like really
like getting my brain like holy fuck.
This really happens, yeah. You know what I mean?
Yeah, Yeah. And so he puts the Christ
consciousness in here and I'm like, OK, cool.

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And like I was, I can't rememberwhat happened, but I was going
through all of my shit and I basically had nowhere to go.
And this dude who I met in the gym was like, you can come over
and he's like, I got cats, you know what I mean?
And I'm like, I fucking love cats.
But it's like he had like 5 cats.
And then he, he, he does something.
He gave me this like stuff. He's like, if you want to open
your third eye more take this. And we smoked and he was like

(36:40):
doing all this shit. And I'm like, but I'm come to
realize I'm like, all of this has LED up to exactly this
moment. You know what I mean?
It's like now I get to spread the word of Jesus.
I get to do all the things. And it was like all of this was
meant to come together. And it's like when you realize
like shit starts lining up because there's like, I've seen

(37:00):
this fucking life four years ago, bro, I saw this fucking
life. Now I'm back in my parents
basement and I'm like, did any of this even fucking happen?
Like I was driving through my neighborhood bro.
And I'm like looking at my old shit and I'm like, bro, I was so
happy when things were more simple.
When it was. More fucking simple.
Because it's like, I did all thefancy shit, you know what I

(37:20):
mean? I had the house on the hill, the
fucking car, all that shit, bro.And I was in there and I was
just like, this is what life is,bro, Like not being stressed the
fuck out. Like that shit matters.
None of it matters bro. None of it matters.
Yeah, money's a prison. It is bro.
And it's like money gives you more freedom, but it's like you
don't need it. You can like I was, I went bro.

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I was at the fucking, I was going to tattoo one of my
clients and she cancelled on me and I was like, all right, well,
what am I going to do? I have no money.
I'm I'm, I'm, I just went through a separation.
I have no money. I'm like, I probably had like 50
bucks, maybe 50 bucks. And I was like, I'm going to go
get some food, you know what I mean?

(38:02):
And I get 2 salads, bro, I get 2salads because I'm like, I'm
kind of hungry. Like I just barely been able to
start like kind of like doing stuff for myself again and take
take care of my body as I finally able to buy food.
I was in like when I was in relationships, I had no money.
I fucking burnt my whole career to the ground, you know what I
mean? And I was able to finally get
some salad. And then then I get 2 of them

(38:24):
and I get an apple and I think Iget a protein shake.
And I go and I sit because I'm like, well, what am I going to
do? I have, I don't know where to
go. And so I go and I sit down.
I'm going to get choked up bro fuck.
It's OK. I cry on the show all the time,
Yeah. So I go and I sit down and I'm
eating bro, and I see this dude next to me and I'm like, you

(38:51):
know what? Why is he sitting there?
And I go over there and I'm talking to him and I'm just
like, you know what's going on? Because I thought he was a guy
that I talked to earlier at the grocery store.
He was just cool. And I'm like, oh, this dude's
homeless and I'm just like, you know, like what you up to?
Like just talking to him. You know what I mean?
Just talking like a fucking human.

(39:19):
And I'm like asking him, you know, like just trying to have a
fuck, trying to just have a normal
conversation with him. And I'm like, in my mind, I'm

(39:40):
like, like, I don't know what todo to help this dude.
You know, I'm telling him that like God loves him and stuff.
And I was like oh I got 2 salads.
Like that's that's the reason why I got it, you know, but I
didn't know that. And I give it to him and I'm
like, you know, God loves you like.

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Just just. You know, keep thinking good
things are going to happen and they will and then it just like.
You guys can talk for a minute, man, I'm fucked up.
No, it's good, man. You know, I can understand that

(40:25):
because it's, these people are placed in your life on purpose.
If you're there and you're ready.
And you know, I, I can relate tothat a lot because I've, I've
met people just in the last few years that have absolutely
changed my life. But I knew I was supposed to

(40:46):
meet them even like a crazy occurrence man like.
I love hearing that because I'vebeen thinking I'm fucking crazy.
Yeah, dude, I thought I was crazy too for a while.
Really. Because dude, I was telling you,
I kept hearing in my head, like hear my words, hear my words.
And I'm just, I'm, I'm irritatedat this point.
And I pulled my phone. I've been listening to some shit
on YouTube and it was like you've, you've somebody who's

(41:06):
very important has heard you andlike, you're going to get your
message out and like, so you've been hearing shit in your head.
I've been listening to shit on YouTube.
Yeah, well, yeah, I started listening to the New Testament
and I started going through it and I started to realize things
and I started to feel differently and I started to
love differently. And.
And the number one person to love was myself and truly

(41:29):
understanding that. And it's not just sitting there
holding yourself and feeling allwarm and cozy.
It's understanding that you matter here.
It's not what you, what you produce, what you are.
It's what you are, who you are with others.
Because that's what he asked, right?
Just love everybody, Forgive people.

(41:53):
If you don't forgive them, I'm not going to forgive you.
Bro, that's crazy that you that you experience and I was writing
people fucking notes, bro. I wrote people notes letting
them know like I'm sorry, Like it was like the, the, the, the,
the scene from Billy Madison where he's like calling him and
he's like, hey. Yeah, yeah, he marked.

(42:13):
Him. Yeah, yeah.
He's like, yeah, yeah. Shit's funny.
Oh yeah, I and then he shoots him.
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, he shoots at the
game. Yeah.
But I'm like, that was the shit that I was doing.
But I'm like, I'm realizing I'm like, there's fucking movies
that I've watched that have led me up to this fucking moment,
you know what I mean? And I'm like, and then I'm like,
OK, I can't fight this anymore. I just have to understand this

(42:33):
is what it is. If I just go with like if I just
go with the flow and just allow life to guide me, then I just, I
end up where I'm supposed to be whenever I try to fight it.
There was a, there was a time where I thought I was going to
die. Bro there's I literally thought
I was going to die. I did some like edible or some
shit like I don't know what the fuck it was it wasn't even this
is probably delta 9 or somethingcrazy and I it said like 50,000

(42:55):
milligrams for like 1 and I'm like what the fuck you know what
I mean like no idea what this isand me and my homie are like how
many do we take? And we're like, what's?
The whole package. Fuck it, sign me up.
No, you're, you're. We're going to space.
Your subconscious was crying forthis.
Something to pull you there. Yes, yes, bro.
And I like you remember the shitfrom the movie Bruce Almighty?

(43:17):
Yeah, yeah. You know how he brings the moon
in? I was looking at the moon, bro.
And I, I swear to you, it was small.
And then I look away and that motherfucker was in my face, In
my face, bro. And then I'm like, I'm, I'm, I
literally think I'm going to dieand there's 3 movies that
overplay in my head. The Matrix, Groundhogs Day and
Fight Club. And so I start taking note of

(43:37):
like, what all that shit is. Yeah, yeah, The Matrix is
getting unplugged, right? Like, and that's, that's a whole
fucking rabbit hole we can go down.
Yeah, yeah. Then you have Groundhog's Day,
which is living every day on repeat, which is what people do.
Yeah, that Joe Rogan talks aboutit.
People. You go in a box to fucking drive
in a box to yeah, get outside, get the fuck outside.

(43:58):
There's a Nine inch Nail song that talks about that, about how
he he, he talks about how he canpredict the future 'cause he
lives the same routine. Yeah.
So it's all about that and just being able to break away from
it. Well, that's anything is so
fucking easy when you think if you just do the same thing every
day, bro, I did bodybuilding andit's like you I ate the same

(44:20):
fucking thing every day. I was on, I was, I was an NPC to
a as a bodybuilder, you know what I mean?
Your habits and that, but they're the routines that we set
and that's what puts us into ourlives that we have.
You're in your bulk phase when you're cutting back and you're
being a caloric deficit. So the whole time you're just
like, you just go into autopilot.
It's not you don't bitch and complain about it.

(44:41):
You're like, this is what I eat now.
This is how long I sleep. This is when I stretch, this is
when I do cardio. So you have to have this ever
evolving, which is perfect. Bodybuilding is perfect way to
be able to be an adaptable humanbeing.
Yeah, try bodybuilding. Yeah.
You know, I tried amateur stuff like that when I was younger.

(45:02):
Now I'm getting back into shape in my late 40s.
Good for you. Bro dude I'm trying to get back
to it man. I started to lose too much.
I feel like I'm losing too much weight.
I'm 180 now and I'm like. Are you but?
That's just my mind fucking withme, see?
And I what I do bro, is I just stop looking at the fucking
scale. Me too.

(45:22):
Like I feel great and I looked on the scale and I was 177 and I
was like, what does that mean? Yeah, that's how what I was
thinking. What does that mean?
177? I'm like, it used to be
different. I competed at 195, lean as fuck.
You know what I mean? Like lean, like shredded, like I
was. I was doing hell of steroids.
Were you doing bulking like 23235?
South, the biggest I got to was I almost hit 230.

(45:44):
I think I hit 227 because I Remember Me and my homie, we
were we were lifting and shit. My motherfucker was huge and I
was like, I'm going to catch him.
I was 227. I was like, if I hit 230, damn,
that's what's up. You know what I mean?
But I was taking everything under the sun.
Like my plan was go IFBB. Like I'm like I was shed on
that. Where are you?
Yeah, Hell yeah. I was.
I was. Juicing my balls off but.

(46:04):
You did stop me when I was at the first because I was really
wanting to get into it because Icould only get to like 175 and I
grew up. I mean, when I graduated high
school, I was 140 lbs. Then I went to the, I went
straight into the Navy and then I went from boot camp for 140.
When I graduated boot camp, I was 150 and I was.
Where you were fucking just grovel.

(46:26):
You mean you have one minute to eat?
So you're just. Packing just pack and move and
it wasn't even hard, but I just we're just doing more
calisthenics because I would I was in high school.
I go lift weights with my friends and and you're just like
I had this one guy in there. His name is Ricky, his nipples
as long as my fucking pinky and you're like that guy's juicing
already. Like why would you know that

(46:48):
shit? You're like, I mean even when I
I started doing it, I started doing Hemogen and Anadrol and I
was taking. Pills the same fucking life I.
Know right? I was, I was, I was fucking
benching bunks, bro, because we're in a holdover bag.
We were do we were fucking, we were doing dips and shit with
cleaning materials. Yeah, we had like a whole, it
was like Fight Club, but it was workout.

(47:09):
Yeah, yeah. We were stuck holdover babe bro
and we're eating fucking peanut butter and Jelly that we would
steal from the PX. Or not.
The PX, the fucking, the chow. Hall Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just going ham bro like. Just trying to keep it on and
that was cool. Because we're like, we don't
have anything to do. Let's just get fucking huge.
Oh, dude, it was the best. When I was on deployment, that's
when I shot up. I went 160 to 185.

(47:32):
Yeah. And my parents, they saw me
after I went on. Did your?
Ego go through the fucking roof.Dude, I didn't know.
I didn't know and tell my parents because my mom didn't
recognize really because this skinny.
Kid a hard time taking your clothes on and off.
Oh yeah, yeah. Me too, I was going to put
myself. But dude, it was weird because I
wore nothing but small and mediums all throughout like high

(47:54):
school and stuff and I thought Iwas buff and shit and then I got
bad. My dad's like damn, you got big.
And that just that. It's that addiction that
hormones. For me, 15 lbs my senior year.
Dude when I started though I was18175 and I get up to 180 and I
would just keep fluctuating. I got on that shit.

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I kept on it for a while, like 3months and then my nipples
started hurting and I threw thatshit away and I'm like I'm not
going there. Gyno.
Yeah, well, I started to feel that first part of it and I
luckily didn't, but I I had friends over there.
Dude. They get like the I mean,
literally you could he, he couldbe like ironing clothes and just
hang them on there. Just a slight chill in the in
the room. He could just hang the clothes

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on the hanger right on his nipples.
Like it was just. So weird.
It is. It's super weird dude.
Where they start full on developing tits and you're like
bro scale it back you probably. Wouldn't have anti I've not seen
a girl with nipples as long as my fingers so.
Dude, but it's scary now man. The the bodybuilding world is

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scarier now. Oh bro, trend is.
Just homeboy was dropping at 24.You got rich piano who who you
know? I think he didn't coke or some
shit. But it's look he did a stupid
stunt dude. He snorted a bunch of his pre
workout. Well, fucking Greg Plitt did the
same shit, bro. He thought he could outrun a
train. At what point do you like, like,

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you gotta figure it out at some point.
Like, bro, this train like you're a human.
What happens if you trip? Yeah, What happens if you trip?
Squeeze. You're dude, it's.
The amount of times that dumb shit has happened to me for no
fucking reason and like. Oh, yeah, it just happened to
your point, man, of like how money doesn't really like if you
know about, which you know a lotabout.

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I mean, you bring up rich piano.I'm like, I love that guy,
Ronnie. Coleman, bro, I met that
motherfucker in high school and really, he grunted at me, bro,
when I asked him for an autograph.
I was so excited to see him, bro, 'cause I was like, like,
wait, baby, you know what I mean?
Like I was about that shit. I had the Arnold Encyclopedia,
all of it. And it's like, I went to go.
I'm like, can I get a picture with you?
Because I didn't want to get paid $50.00 for his autograph.

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I was like in high school. I'm like, Oh my fucking I don't
have money and who like, why thefuck would I pay you for an
autograph? I was like, can I get a picture
with you? You know what I mean?
And I'm like, what the fuck, bro?
And it's like, we did. We have a picture and we're
shaking hands, but it's like, that made me not like you as
much. Yeah, now he's all like, old.
His hips are like replaced and shit is.
He should have never got back surgery, he said.

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When he did that. Now he's like, crippled.
Well, then his documentary, bro,he's talking, he was in a, in a
cane, bro, and he's like, I can barely.
But what I respect about him, bro, is he's like he would
change. I would do it all again.
Yeah, you know what I mean? And that's where I'm that's
where I'm at with tattooing now.I'm like my like I'm like, you
know, fucking tattooing and and causing my own pain.

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Like I'm like, you know, I got abulge disc and shit.
I couldn't tattoo for two monthslast year.
I couldn't tattoo for six fucking weeks, you know, for six
weeks, like 2 months ago, like, you know what I mean?
And it's like, but I'm like, I, I fucking love that.
Like to be like, I will fucking die doing what I love.
I'm like, I fuck with that, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I don't want any
relationships because it's like,it's just me and the art, Me,

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the art and just vibing, you know what I mean?
Just going on the flow. And it's like, I can travel
anywhere in the world that I want and I can go and tattoo.
Like I literally like my tattoo machine is like a magic stick,
bro. And it's like me and my fucking
tattoo machine. Like we're going to do like
unbelievable things because it'slike, I'm so fucking driven to
the art. Like it's going to it's, it's,

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it's Harry Potter, bro. It's the fucking.
It's the. Yeah, it's the magic.
You know what? I.
Mean. Well, no.
It it, it creates union, it creates stability.
Well, when I was in, they, they created their own like
separation from the cartel because I was in a Kamuna 13 and
it was like that place used to be ran like that was like the
fucking ghetto of Columbia. That was the cartel.

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That was the, the, the military who were crooked.
Like there was gun holes. There's fucking bullet holes in
the wall, bro. And there was art around it.
And it was like, yeah, these were fucking bullet holes
because of the dude who gave us the tour.
He's been over there for over 30years.
He's like the last three in there.
And he has gotten that. But like that place got touched
by Jesus, bro. There's a big Jesus statue out

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there. Yeah.
And it's like, but my, my friends, like the art is what
created the union. Like, that's what, like people
would, you know, be wanting to go to other territories in the
cartel. Like, you can't come here.
And they're like, well, we're doing a mural.
Like, are you gonna shoot me? Like, I'm gonna do this mural.
And it's like that the art is what like, and that place is
covered in beautiful art, bro. I've never seen such good
artists in my life. I tried to stay out there.

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Yeah. I have a spot reserved that
it's, it's gonna be dope, bro, because I have a spot reserved
where I get to do the, the Sacred Heart as you're walking
into Communa 13. Communa 13 is like now the, the,
the, it's the heart of Medellin.You know what I mean?
Yeah, like it's that's the Mecca.
I was going to wear the shirt. I was going to wear the the
Communa 13 shirt. But then I was just like, well,

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I'm in a fucking hurry. And I'm like, I love Jordan
Clarkson and I love the Jazz. So I'm going to represent.
Yeah, but it's like, but I'm like, you know, I'm going to,
I'm going to do a cool mural of the Sacred Heart as you're
walking in there because I'm like, I feel like Jesus is like,
this is a place that you, you, you're here to help these
people. You're here to like, you're here
to do something. And I feel very called to be
there. And so I'm gonna go out there,

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back out there in October. But it's like shit just starts
lining up and it's like I don't even know where I was.
Going with that, No, no, no, dude, I go with the vibe, man.
I love it because you know, there's so many connections on
that, man. I mean, seriously, Especially on
that spirituality where it's notnecessarily something that's

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driving towards what people may perceive as truth.
Yep. It's just knowing.
And there's a big difference, right?
When you look out at a beautifulnature scene, you're just there.
Yeah. There's no truth in it.
You're present, and you get to experience that.

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And that's what this life's about, is experience.
Exactly. That yeah, that's, that's all
you have. At the end of the day, material
things don't matter. All you have is experience.
Well, it but it's, it's great man, because like you truly can
live the life of an apostle. You mean what does that?
What does that? What does that mean?
I've been I've been wanting to learn more about all this stuff.

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Like what? What is that to?
You to me. Well, here, here's what what
what my interpretation would be from that.
So you were talking about how you have this magic wand, right?
And it could literally take you anywhere in this world.
Anywhere. So when Jesus was telling his
disciples to be able to go out and they would go out and he's
like, but don't take anything with you.
Don't take any money, don't takeany food, but you won't need it.

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And the reason why is that he, when you go to serve, you will
always be rewarded. When you go to take, you will
only have so long because you may have all of these riches in
life, right? Cool shit, all that other fun
stuff, but you still. I mean, I've known a lot to

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really wealthy guys. Yep, and they're miserable.
Yep, bro, I was, I, I swam in the fucking shark's den of that
shit, You know what I mean? Like helicopters, Lamborghinis,
all this shit. And it's like, I used to think
that I wanted that and it was, it was paid to play, bro.
And I was like, fuck that. I ain't paying shit.
Like I'll I paid 60 grand to work with somebody for six

(55:23):
months. I paid 6 grand to go to his
fucking house. It's insanity, bro.
What's his name? Paul But it's like like I I
understand how it like played out because it's like you had to
create your own type of like environment.
So it's like, okay, I'm going tofigure out how to get people to
be surrounded by other wealthy people.
If you if it's pay to play, thenit's like you understand the

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game, you understand how it works.
And I'm like, I understand I could have taken a shortcut to
success, but I'm like, I want tofigure out my own path, you know
what I mean? And so it's like, I want to
figure out how to do this the right way because I was so
fucking lost in the clouds, bro.Like Kanye West, Like, I'm like,
I understand what he went through because I lost my
fucking mind, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Like I, I was ego like as fuck.
And I didn't even know. Like, I felt like I had, I felt

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like I always had good intentions, but I realized that
I was chasing money, I was chasing fame.
I was chasing all that shit because I saw it.
But it's like I was just manifesting exactly like what I
needed to go through to understand how to learn all of
that and let God guide me the right way.
Unlearn your programming and. One, but your art is now that

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you could follow that way realistically because.
Art is what saved my life. Bro it's connection.
Art I would have died. I barely fucking survived these
last two years. But I went through a divorce.
I was in a relationship. I was talking about how I was
going to be a fitness influencer.
Then all of a sudden I'm hangingout with Andy for sale at the
first form headquarters. The girl that I'm dating is a

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UFC chick or a MMA fighter. And it's like, I went, I went
through a breakup for that because I was thinking about my,
my ex-wife. And so we manifested A breakup.
So it's like, and then I go and I'm, I'm, you know, asking to
find my soul mate. And then I fucking meet this
girl and I'm like, so like hooked on her.
You know what I mean? I proposed her in 14 weeks or No

(57:10):
4 weeks bro 4 fucking weeks. Did you go to BYU?
In Clearwater, I'm a fucking head touch, but I feel like I
live that same vibe. I'm like, why do I get so
fucking attached to people? And you know, I'm telling
everybody what I'm going to do and people are not believing me.
And I'm like, I'm so fucking stuck on my vision that it's
like, are you going to choose yourself?
Or are you going to fucking let somebody like lower your light?

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Are you going to let somebody dim you the fuck down?
And it's like, no, you know what?
Fuck that. I'm going to choose me for the
first time in my life. Yeah, it's the meaning behind, I
mean. The rise of the Phoenix, bro, I
saw that like it's that's what the era that we're in right now,
is it not? Dude.
Shit out of here bro, get the fuck out of here.

(57:53):
I got I got wings on my phone inColumbia.
It was the rise of the Phoenix. And like the amount of people
doing reaching out to get Phoenix, I'm like that's the
fucking era. Like we're in the era of no more
get. Like we're not tolerating
bullshit anymore. We got to burn it down.
Yeah, yeah, bro. Fuck yeah.
I got that in Australia when I was 18.
Well, that's the company I just started working with.

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They're the number one aftercarecompany in all of Australia and
I'm but there's five of us that are helping them bring it to the
US. Isn't that like crazy as fuck
bro? That's nuts.
Right, the synchronicities. Dude, that's crazy.
That's crazy. Because you know, that's the
thing. Like, you know, even with this
one, I'm looking at it and it's so meaningful.

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My last son, he's named Phoenix.No way.
Yeah, bro, the the girl that I was just with the house, bro,
one of the one of the people in the house was named Phoenix.
No, no, no. It's, it's their friend.
It's their friend, bro. Their friend's kids.
Name's Phoenix. That's crazy, dude.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm, I'm at this point
where I'm just like I want to add, I'm gonna not cover it, but

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I'm gonna add to it to evolve itto the next stage because I am
at this awakening. Alright, man, with that.
Yeah. Yeah, you could.
Do some sacred geometry or some shit behind.
It we'll do. And you know what, like I really
love that because it's, again, it's defining, right, the framer
to the architect, because the architect sees deeper into it.
What's the meaning, what's the support, What's the structure

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for this? What's the purpose of this
design? Not just like, hey, can you put
Mickey Mouse on me? Tell me about Mickey Mouse.
Yes, bingo. We're doing a show called Inked
With Purpose and it's all about so we're going to pitch it to
maybe they don't don't put that part in.
Yeah. But we're just.
Beep it, Yeah, that'd be cool 'cause the people like what the

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fuck is? That beep it yeah, but but no.
So like I went out to Vancouver on my own dime to go and shoot,
you know, and we're we're we're shooting a trailer for inked
with purpose. And so it's like we're we're
basically taking the message of what tattoo artists are doing
with like, what is the reason behind the tattoo?
But it's like that could be linked with anything.
Like my my homie, he's got a A game.

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That's called on purpose. Like it's, he's the purpose guy.
He's got a, you know, and it's like talking about how you
become like more connected with people.
It's like real fucking questions, like how we're having
these conversations. Yeah, yeah, people need to be
having these conversations on the daily, not asking about how
their fucking food is, how the real fucking real conversations.
Bro, I've been on the on the planes and shit and I'm like
talking, you know, I'm talking to a dude who's 81 years old

(01:00:26):
today who was in the in the military doing Howitzer
missiles. And he was talking about how he
was 91 or like a fucking yeah, like 91 towns are some shit
crazy. And he's like 81 years old and
him and his wife are still kicking it.
And he's like, my birthday is tomorrow and I'm like, are you a
Leo? He's like, yeah.
And it's like, bro, these conversations like just have a
fucking conversation with a human.

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Yeah. But, well, and, you know, we're
starting to see that more and more where people are reaching,
they're they're looking for artificial ways to do that.
Like here's really funny statistics.
Some weird shit with that. Oh dude.
Like, I had this buddy of mine, he's in the e-commerce space and
he's like, hey, man, it'd be really cool if I could sell on
this platform, but I don't know if I can.

(01:01:08):
I'm like, why'd you say this platform?
What the fuck you talking about?And he goes Roblox and I'm like,
what the fuck? And he goes, yeah, you can now
sell your products on Roblox andyou can buy it with Robux.
So I can sell my tattoos on there.
Probably. As art and they could put that
tattoo people. Have been asking about.
On their on their character in Roblox.

(01:01:29):
So you can go. That's my.
Art, bro, they can buy it through there.
You can set up on a Shopify. OK, but what you do is you set
up an environment. You can adjust the age range so
you're only hyper targeted, but you set up an environment.
So that's tough. For example, my buddy has this
company called Cherished Emblems.
He has these little emblems for those who are doing like

(01:01:49):
remembrance and it has like. You put ashes, ashes of the dead
person. Or yeah, you put ashes in these
and they're all there. And I, I had been pushing them.
I'm like, you need to have stories about every single one
of these. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Pull it in what it means. And I'm like, and he has
thousands of reviews, but I'm just like, man, you got to.
It'd be great to do it. But you set up a sanctuary of

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remembrance and it's just for people to be able to go in there
and they can interact and talk with each other and it's a safe
space and have it all. And he's like, oh, that sounds
like too much work. And I said, no, that's perfect
because you're giving somebody something like that.
But the one thing that makes me laugh about it is that the age
group is who's involved in that.Everybody thinks Roblox, it's a

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bunch of little kids, but the growth is from 18 to 35.
Yeah. Because they want to connect.
My youngest, my youngest keeps realizing that because she's 13.
She was like, cool. I was playing Roblox and this
person was like in their 30s or in their 20s or this.
I'm like what that like? And you'd automatically think

(01:02:52):
they're kiddie touchers. No, they're just, they're trying
to go to a child. No, no, they're not.
Though What it is is you can seewhere there's a breaking point
in sociology, like with people in their cultures and their
subcultures. When you get to the top point
where you really don't have to work hard for anything, you
start to see a regression in some part of society.

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And when you start seeing these people where they're just like
they've been given artificial connection for so long.
Multiplayer games or Zoom calls,whatever, but nothing beats you
think you. Think that's what it is though.
Yeah, that's for me bro. Like I'm.
So for me, what I hear from thatis so right now I'm going

(01:03:37):
through basically like healing my inner Childs.
Yeah. So like I'm playing with like me
and my dad are doing Legos together.
Cool. I'm getting back into Pokémon
cards, I'm getting into Yu-gi-oh, I'm getting into Magic
the Gathering. Like I'm getting into Dungeons
and Dragons, I'm getting into karaoke.
Like I'm healing my inner child.So it's like I think of
Minecraft and I'm like, or Roblox or whatever and it's

(01:03:57):
like, OK, like why? Like I was hanging out with, you
know, the little 5 year old, thelittle 3 year old in my last
relationships and like I was like a fan of Bluey and shit and
yeah, fuck, I would watch it's. A funny ass show dude, I mean.
Like I don't even have to have kids and I would fuck with
Bluey. You know what?
I. Mean got good important lessons,
man. It really does.
No judgment. Love people.
Yeah, fucking. Good, I'm.
Like I love that show talking tome.

(01:04:18):
Through Bluey. Yeah.
Yeah, like I could hear that. To be a child.
Yes, bingo. Like I love Disney, bro.
I'll tell you the two collaborations that I would do,
bro Lego, I would have them havelike a head tattoo.
So I'd have like inked era fucking signature fucking guy.
Yeah, it would be a tattoo thing, right?
So it would be if you're, if you're listening to this Lego
tell you, I'll give you my pitch, right?
Now, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have, you have like

(01:04:40):
tattoo chairs and shit like that.
And you have like these little Lego guys that are, and in the
box, like you have the guys thatare standing up tooing and shit.
Because it's like they, they, they're obviously about tattoos
because in Seoul, like there's aclip where they, if they, if
they go out of the, the, the frequency, you know what I mean?
And so it's like, OK, this is, this is the proposal.

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And it's like you have Legos that are tattooed.
You know what I mean? You have Legos that have no
shirts and they have tattoos andshit on them.
Like it's like, but it would be a cool signature line.
And then the second one would beto have a tattoo shop in
Downtown Disney because it's like people would eat that shit
up. Like, I remember there was a
video that was on TikTok that was going viral.
They were talking about having atight tattoo shop and did
Downtown Disney is like, fuck, they beat me to it.

(01:05:22):
Yeah. And it was it was a joke.
You know what I mean? That's not.
Like joke that. People would read it up, bro.
You know how many cool Disney tattoos I've done and Disney
floral, bro, Yeah. And I would come in there like
every, like I would come in there a couple times, like, I
don't know, a month or somethinglike that because I love Disney.
I got season passes. So they could just have rotating
artists like they truly. Could and I could bring people
from all over the world, bro, I'm help.

(01:05:42):
I was helping this kid from Kenya, you know what I mean?
I gave him some assignments to be able to be like, if you do
this, like I will help you, You know what I mean?
And I was like, I'm gonna countdown from like, I, I gave
him these assignments. It was like, I feel like I'm in
the matrix right now because I'mlike, will you seize the moment?
Because I had to fucking seize the moment when I got fired from
my my job. I left $80,000 on the table to

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go all in on tattooing, You knowwhat I mean?
So I'm like, this is your fucking moment, bro.
Like seize this shit. Like I will fucking help you.
And I gave him some homework. And it's like, bro, once you do
the homework, like we'll go to the next level.
But it's like, if I have a tattoo shop, I'm like, I can
create opportunities for people all over the world.
Like I'm talking to a dude from Germany right now.
And I'm like, let me try to helpyou get to the US.
Like let me help you. Like I created a high ticket

(01:06:24):
program to help tattoo artists learn how to grow and scale
their business. Like what I've done, you know
what I mean? No shit, I'm working with
somebody right now because I hadthe wrong pitch because I was
pitching to them like hey, you guys can make $25,000 a month
working two days a week. And I'm like, and then I post
that shit on Facebook and peoplelike fuck you bro.
Like why were you wanting to make money?
Like your chart? You're ripping people off.

(01:06:45):
And I'm like, how the fuck am I ripping anybody off just because
I put a lot of time and effort into my work and I charge a
premium price that's ripping someone off.
I'm like, fuck that. So I teach tattoo artists how to
do that shit. But I'm like, what I realize is
I'm like, some people may just want to learn how to do exactly
the art they want to do and theywant to book out.
Like book out, you know, book 2 times per year in 24 hours and

(01:07:06):
you book out four months. I can teach people how to do
that shit. So it's like I'm learning how to
roll that out. But I didn't have the proper, I
didn't have the proper back end.So I hired A-Team and these guys
help, you know, people with hundreds of thousands of
followers make like 100. I'm like, can I make $100,000 a
month? They're like, yeah.
And I was like, bet then I can just tattoo like for fun because
I don't even have to really about work and make making money

(01:07:28):
following. What's that?
Is that based off the following?No bro, he was helping somebody
that was doing rock climbing make $60,000 a month.
They probably had like 3000 followers.
I have no fucking clue but it's like a rock climbing instructor.
How do you make $60,000 a month as a rock climbing instructor?
You know how many tattoo artiststhere are out there?
Bro just in Ogden alone there's 50 shops.

(01:07:48):
Each shop has anywhere from 5 to10 artists.
That's a fuck ton. That's in one, that's in one zip
code. That's nice.
One zip code. You figure out how to help
tattoo artists because a lot of tattoo artists are so fucking.
They're they have a scarce mindset.
They have a very scarce mindset because they didn't come in as
entrepreneurs. I came in as an entrepreneur.
I learned how business worked. I learned how marketing.
I learned how sales. I learned.

(01:08:09):
Yeah, I've been being an entrepreneur since I was like 15
years old, bro, like. Like.
I, I was bred for this shit and I'm like, I can teach you guys
and it's like, I don't know whatelse I can say.
You know what I mean? Like what else can I tell you
guys to be like? Dude.
I know what the fuck I'm doing. Yeah, well, I mean, you know,
and that I, I totally, completely understand that.
I was working with a good friendof mine and he was just the the

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manager, he was just managing the shop.
The owner was in jail in Colorado.
He decided to come through Colorado had a warrant for his
arrest from some old drug chargegets pulled over and they're
like, no, you're going to jail for years.
And so he must have done some fucked up things, but he leaves

(01:08:54):
my buddy who worked for me yearsago and he he's, he works, he
works the my buddy works for himrunning everything.
He's like, I don't know what to fucking do.
And I was trying to help him. He's I was like, well, let me
help you get your website built.Let me help you with here.
And he goes, all right, but I got to ask him because he's the
one that has to sign off and allof it.
And I said, he's not fucking here.
You're making all the money. What do you do?

(01:09:15):
You make money here and you sendit to him there.
He's like, yeah, how much do youget?
And he tells me the, the numbersand I'm like, you are either the
dumbest guy or the nicest guy. I'm going to lean on the ladder.
And he's like, yeah, but and I'mlike, no.
And dude, watching how? I mean, it's worse than like

(01:09:36):
guys who say they have a construction company, they put a
ladder on their Honda and they have a small toolbox, right?
That's the way I see a lot of shitty artists come out where,
yeah, they were good at doodling.
They did a bunch of melons and they're doing banana skin,
They're doing pigskin. And they're like, yeah, I'm
getting into it. And then they just fall into

(01:09:57):
niche. Oh, I only do tribal.
Oh, I only do. Evolve, evolve, evolve.
Don't make a fucking excuse, bro.
What I realized. So this is actually pretty
trippy. So I, I ran into a dude who he
started tattooing like at a certain point and I'm I, I, and
this is no disrespect to any tattoo artist, but it's like
there's some that they just staythe exact same.
They've been tattooing for 15 years.

(01:10:19):
But I'm like, and they're your work Looks like you've you've
been doing it for like 3 years. Maybe.
Yeah, I'm like, I've been tattooing for 4 1/2 years.
Like if you put the work in, like you will make shit happen,
you know what I mean? And it's like, I'm, I'm gonna
mentor my dad, but I'm like, I don't like if I try to even tell
people I could help him with tattooing, they'd be like, fuck
you, bro. And what makes you think you're
better than me? I'm like, nothing makes me think

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that I'm better than you, but I've learned how to fucking grow
as an artist. I've learned how to book out
whatever style, like I wanted tobe on Ink Master, but then I'm
like, I realized, you know, I talked to people who want Ink
Master and shit and they just fill you full of alcohol and
they could keep you fucking locked up for three months.
And I'm like, fuck that. I was like, I don't even need
the fame. I don't give a shit about any of
that. I'm like, let me fucking
compete, you know what I mean? It's like I've done three, I've

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done 32 conventions and I haven't got to compete in any of
my pieces. But with these guys, Doctor
Pickles, like I'll be able to compete because they're going to
be doing shows because they're going to be in the US.
So it's like I did just like. No, but it's so cool because,
and that's which I, I, I would love to see more artists because
I think they get locked into that.

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That's why they don't evolve because they're like, oh, I'm a
calligraphy guy. You know, that's cool because
words mean a lot to me. That's why I got this on my arm
and you know it. And I could have got that
anywhere, but it was I knew exactly where it needed to go.
And I got this one. And this is my talent is being
able to use my words. Yep.

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So both of them transfer the meaning into it.
But it's, it's really difficult to be able to work with an
artist who's just like, yeah, dude, whatever.
It's just hourly, so whatever you want.
Mm Hmm. You're like, bro, I literally am
putting my like I want this shitto like really fucking mean
something to me. I want it to look really fucking
good. Like if I'm going to get brain

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surgery who I'm paying top dollar?
You know what I mean? If I can afford that shit, I'm
getting top fucking dollar, you know what I mean?
I mean. Team works, you know so.
Yeah, I mean that should Team O.Surgeon.
That should. I mean, that's what.
I see with art, 'cause I'll see people do that.
I charge a premium bro like I charge.
As you should. As I should, but then I started
feeling guilty because I'm like,well, fuck.

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Like I want to be able to be able to be for everybody.
And then I'm trying to give people the options to do payment
plans and shit. And that's when I'm like, well,
fuck, like just tell me what you're like.
Be honest with me. Let's have a fucking human
conversation. Be honest with me.
Let me know what you can afford.And I'm like, OK, well, this is
what you know. And I dropped my prices.
I dropped down to $2000 per day.I was charging $2800 when I was

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only two years into tattooing. Like this is what I could help
tattoo artists do. But then I'm like, you know,
then I got my home, I mean, who's been tattooing for a long
time and he charges $1700 and that motherfucker's good.
And I'm like, I would love to beable to charge $1500 to tattoo
somebody and just be able to do dope fucking art all the time.
But it's like, I can only tattoolike two days a week, bro.
My body's deteriorating. And it's like I got to, I'm

(01:13:07):
trying to let artists know. Like if you keep fucking going
down the same path, you're goingto get the same fucking results,
which is going to be burn the fuck out.
You're you're, you're not, you're just not even going to be
fulfilled, bro. Like the guy who I learned from,
it's like, it's like he was miserable tattooing, but it's
like he's been doing it for fucking ever.
And he's he can't do. Anything else all over and it's
like his body fucking hurts. He's having to take pain meds
and shit. And I'm like, I'm trying to help

(01:13:28):
you guys fucking swim out of thegutter, bro.
Like you're gonna, you're you. It's either sink or swim.
And it's like you're gonna fucking sink.
If you don't have an action plan, if you don't have a
direction, if you don't have somebody guiding you, you're
gonna fucking sink. Yeah, no.
Tattoo artist, some very similarto cannabis companies Yeah,
where they just they they get into it because they love it

(01:13:49):
they love art or whatever it is Speaking of yeah yeah, bro go.
Go. Who did you get these guys from?
This is fire. They're up.
In. Salt Lake.
Salt Lake, Yeah. Really.
Yeah. Yeah, Downtown.
Yeah, Dragonfly Wellness. I'll send you the link.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've. Been wanting to get in the
cannabis industry. You know, we'll make an
introduction in Earth. Look, Yeah, yeah, he's upper in
there. In Salt Lake.
Yeah, with Dragonfly's part of the upper echelon of the

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company. Oh, sick.
Totally introduced. He's got.
Yeah, this is fire, brother. Amazing dude.
We went down, visited there grow.
I had to throw away my clothes. They like joints and oh shit
they like joints and shit. No, because Utah it's only
medical so you can get a medicalcard here, but anyone with
chronic pain lasting longer thantwo weeks can get a medical.
Card, we'll get you taken care of.
On that, we'll get you taken care of.

(01:14:33):
Yeah. So that's easy peasy.
We'll get you. Yeah, yeah, we'll get you taken
care of. I I.
Yeah, we're good. Yeah, dude, it's, it's amazing.
No, I, I just see that a lot having with it where like you're
saying, tattoo artists have they, it's all hand to mouth and
especially if you're working in a shop as an artist instead of

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just owning the shop, which is hard to do on its own.
Most of them don't even know howto run a business.
They know how to do the art. And So what I hear from you is
you're building a system for that, right?
So they're able to follow through it not on just like I.
Already have it all. It's already built bro.
I already have. It's already ready to go.
Now it's just like I have the people to help me basically

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build the back end system because it's like I was sending
freebies out you know what I mean?
Like I had a fucking sick ass freebie and I like 4 people want
it and I'm like bro I'm literally telling you guys you
can make $25,000 a month and nobody wants this fucking
freebie like. This is this is no, because
they'll call you a grifter on that.
They're like, oh, he's a grifter.
Like bro, it's I'm literally fucking going to DM it to you.

(01:15:35):
I don't even need your fucking e-mail.
I literally fucking DM it to youwant me to sell?
Send in a fucking in a Mailer. I'm not going to spend my
fucking money or my time to do that shit.
But I've already, I've already created it.
All you got to do is say I want it.
All I got to do is say I want it.
And then I can fucking show you how I can help you make $5000 in
new business in 60 days. Or you can fucking I'll give you

(01:15:57):
your fucking money back, bro. I was going to extend my
services because they're up there for three months.
I will give you another three months, but I'll give you your
fucking money back if you don't make $5000 in 60 days.
That's you know what and. And like, what else can I
fucking do? Like hand hold you Like, yeah.
Well, dude, it's like that's what the cannabis world needs
too. It needs somebody super smart in

(01:16:18):
the business world, but also partakes because they you can't
really it's it's like telling tattoo artists you could a.
Perfect candidate bro. Well, for sure.
But not, I mean, dude, I I love your idea on on shifting the
world of of tattoo, because if you're being able to give them
that fight, that that real training that they need, you

(01:16:38):
know, to have a certain mindset or to find somebody to be there
to be that mind because you don't want to just be hunched
over. Like that's the thing I see my
friend my. Back is fucked.
Oh dude, my buddy's back. I'm not having to pay.
Like well I just paid $200 for avisit.
I had a fucking chiropractor visit the day before that I paid
92 and I'm like, I got 20 more muscles to work on.

(01:17:02):
It's 50 bucks a muscle and I'm like, all right, it's 2 grand to
make my back better. And I'm like, and I'm, you know,
I'm working with the, the, the pastor's kid, He's helping me,
he's training me, you know what I mean?
So it's like I'm doing all the right things, but it's like if I
can fucking, if I can save you guys from having to go through
this shit like. Save yourself some pain in the
long run. It hurts bro.

(01:17:22):
Yeah, dude, that's why you listen to the old guys.
It's like, don't do that. You'll regret it when you're.
Older and you're like, I love talking old.
I love, I know. People, bro, I'm like, I see
somebody who's 50 and they look 30.
I'm like, what's the secret to life?
And they're like, be fucking happy.
And I was like, bat, Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Cool like.
Magic sauce. Yeah, literally.
And how do I make it? Well, there was, there's a study

(01:17:43):
on how much anger and hatred actually effects our
cardiovascular system worse thanlike almost any other thing,
whether it was the high cholesterol or high blood
pressure, Like that alone was more damaging to our bodies.
Just hatred, anger. And like, thinking about it,

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living in that, you know, feeling that constantly is just.
Yeah. Well, there's that is like
Doctor Komodo or something like that, but he did that study in
Japan where if you speak life into the water.
You'll yeah, I'm talking about. I know that one, yeah.
Shape of water. Yeah, yeah, it'll crystal if you

(01:18:25):
speak love to it, it'll make these beautiful patterns.
And if you speak ugly things to it, then it's like it, it looks
worse. And it's like, bro.
So I that's why you bless the water, you know what I mean?
It's like I'm speaking like whenever I'm cheering to
somebody, you know what I mean? It's like, I used to do that
with, with, with beer, but I quit drinking like 3 weeks ago.
And so now it's like sparkling water is like, that's the new

(01:18:47):
vibe, you know what I mean? And it's like, cheers to the
good life. So you recently made that change
then? Well no bro, I've been doing.
Like cheers and stuff. Like no no no, but inviting
alcohol. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I quit drinking when I got the tattoo in, in, in Columbia, Bro.
This is actually a pretty wild story.
So when I was out there, I went to I was going to like, I feel

(01:19:12):
like meet Jesus for the first time.
And so I was like feeling the spirit and I was, you know, I
was crying. I did like a cold shower.
And it wasn't, it wasn't the, the water wasn't working.
And so it was cold. And I was like, this is the
baptism. This is the baptism.
And I was like, OK, I'm just going to sit in this cold water.
And, you know, I cried and I prayed.

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I did all the things. And that's when I was like the
motorbike pulled up and it was just like, I see somebody at the
back of the shirt and there's like no drinking.
And so I was like, OK, cool. And so the next day after I get
tattooed, I ordered a beer and Ihad 1/2 of it because I was
like, you know what, like IA beer sounds good.
I'm in Columbia. I feel like I should have a
beer. And I go outside and I'm just

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like, people are coming up to you trying to like sell your
shit and like selling you nicotine.
And it's like, it's like the wild, Wild West out there.
Like everyone's just that you got workers that are walking up
and down the street. Like everyone's.
It's, it's, it's a, it's a frenzy.
And I'm going and I'm talking tothis dude and I'm, I'm speaking
and he's like, oh, you're American.
And I was like, where are you from?
You know what I mean? And we're talking and he's like

(01:20:18):
saying like some things to do around the area.
And I was like, I think I might have said like what?
What's going on for like single guy?
He's like, I don't know. I don't go to the bar.
I don't drink. And I was like, oh shit, I don't
drink either. So I go back in and I finish my
meal and I'm like, I'm not finishing this.
And I was And then I remember seeing like a sign like saying
like, if you want something to be taken away, ask Jesus to take

(01:20:38):
it away. Like if you want to remove the
want for anything, ask Jesus. And I was like, you know, I'm
praying and I'm like, will you remove the temptation of me, you
know, wanting to drink alcohol? Will you remove the temptation
from me? Like having any type of lust,
Like when I go to the gym, like my friend told me this, he's
like when you go to the gym, like ask Jesus to like keep your

(01:20:59):
eyes in the right direction, youknow what I mean?
And so it's like you go in and it's like you're not like
looking at anybody in any type of like derogative way.
Because it's like when I was single, I was like, I didn't
know what to do. I was like in the gym trying to
learn how to talk to girls for the first time.
And I'm like, OK, it's like. The best place to do it?
Exactly. Yeah, Yeah.
And I'm like, I've tried a couple times.
I tell some girl, she smells nice and she just kind of looks

(01:21:19):
at me. I was like, that was fucking
stupid. Yeah, but I mean, you're like,
but you dress that way. I mean, I'm like, you know, if I
would, you know, if I was a single man going to the gym, I
would rather see a girl who's just like kind of covering up a
little bit more. But she's in it.
She's there for. I feel that, I feel.
That not the chick who's there. She's like, well, got to go to
the gym and then she goes and walks on the treadmill.

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But some. People are just, they're getting
it, bro, and they're just feeling good.
It's like I would work out in the gym without my shirt and I'm
not because I'm trying to impress anybody, but it's just.
Like feeling it's. Just feeling it bro.
And it's like. You know my ex, she would work
out in a sports bra and it's like you're just feeling it like
I'm working out in a, in a fucking, you know, a Stringer
that my nipples, you know, almost like popping out and
shit. But it's because it's hot and

(01:22:02):
you'd want to be comfortable andit's.
Like, you know, it's a sick pumpgoing on and I got fucking veins
popping and I'm looking at. Them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, I don't.
Give a fuck with anybody. Else's yeah, you got these.
Nasty. See old shirts.
You're there, you fucking. Aware of anyways, like I would
see, you know, people that were like, you know, from the 80s and
shit and they'd still cut off. Oh, that's funny.
See that shit's coming back, bro.

(01:22:23):
Oh yeah. Oh dude, LA, it's coming.
Back watch, dude. Jellies are gonna come back.
Fuck with it bro. And I'm like, I don't fucking.
Rock it. But it's like the dude from
young LA, he was trying to get atattoo for me and I'm like, bro,
let me just rock your shit, You know what I mean?
I'm like, I fit, I fit the vibe because I've been trying to work
with fashion Nova and I'm like, but I'm, you know, I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm still trying to figure out what company to work for

(01:22:43):
because I'm like, do I make my own?
Like, that's why inked air actually originated is because I
was going to do a clothing company like 10 years ago and it
was going to be inked air and itwas leave your mark.
And so it's cool because it was like, it's still inked air leave
your marks. It's like, I get to leave my
mark on this, on this world, youknow what I mean?
It's like, and, and, and people get to leave their mark.
And so it's like it's, it's the name came from the idea of being

(01:23:04):
a movement. And so I'm like, do I create a
brand from that? And I do like Angel numbers and
stuff like that because I had the connections, because I'm,
you know, I'm friends with Sean Whalen and his, you know, his
guy was talking. To him, Oh, you know, Sean,
Cool. Yep yeah, so I did the the
Freeman tattoo on his chest. I did like his spirit animal on
his leg. He actually tattooed his ex-wife

(01:23:24):
and I was like, you know, put a put a story like, you know,
watch out for Sean kind of thing.
But yeah bro. And so I remember I.
Was going with that. No, no, no, I I I threw that.
I mean you said Sean and I like yeah, I have a had I've not met
Sean. I had a good he good friend of
his Adam, and Speaking of tattoos, he went to California

(01:23:48):
and he got one of those those would they use that like just
one Oh one like a stick and poke.
Yeah, well, that's what I got inwhen I was in Thailand.
I got the 8 Noble pass. I got the stick and poke because
I've actually been thinking about wanting to learn.
That's my that would be tight because then I wouldn't even
have to have a machine with me. Yeah.
And I could literally just go with like a needle and then some

(01:24:09):
ink. Yeah, you, what you say, the way
your process, it reminds me of what he told me, what he went
through. He said he found a guy, he was
in LA sick, went out and met theguy.
He had to be there at a specifictime, met him in an office and
he interviewed him. Yeah, he interviewed him and
they, he interviewed him for like 45 minutes.

(01:24:32):
Wow. Asked him about his life and his
intention. Did he talk about this?
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
He didn't talk about it with us,so he should have like.
In Like a podcast, Adam. Adam No, no, he just Adam
Nugent. Oh, he's the one who did that,
Yeah. And I mean it.
Was do you guys know Sean? No.
No, I don't that. 'D be a sick story for him to
talk about. Yeah, dude, it was this, This

(01:24:53):
was so. And he gets it.
And the guy, he's like, OK, go out, come back in three hours.
He's like, why? And he goes, I have to draw what
you're getting. He goes, don't I get a say in
it. And he goes, no, I know what you
need, but I need to be able to think about it.
And he created this design so unique and just the energy from

(01:25:14):
it. And I said, what was the
experience like? He will Sean.
No, no, not Sean. His friend Adam, not Sean.
So he's got his whole fucking hand blasted.
Well, he's got it from here. But it's just this crazy design,
right? But he, I was like, what was it
like? He's like, at first it was the
most painful, slow process. On the hand pro that would.
Hurt, OH. My hand fucking hurt bro.

(01:25:36):
Like it fucking hurt. See, that's good to hear it too,
because I mean, it was. Bearable, but it I mean you.
You were talking. About your getting I was getting
my knuckles and shit shaded on and my the fucking knuckle like
the low knuckle. The low knuckles were hurt, bro,
those like that was that was like, and I felt like that was
my rite of passage. There's like, Jesus, God, yeah.
And they fucking her, bro. Like the knuckle, I'm like, I

(01:25:57):
gotta touch that shit up myself.Like fuck, like 'cause I feel.
Like the head would be weird 'cause it would vibrate the.
Back of the head would be like, yeah, so I got some funny
stories about the head tattoo. So we did it in like a in an
attic. And that was where I did DMT was
get my head tattooed. So my head's very spiritual.
So I got the macabre. So that's the portal to the

(01:26:17):
universe. OK.
And then I got the third eye on the side and then I got the seed
of life and the flower of life on the back of my head.
Yeah. And so I saw like the the angels
and shit, like I, I went to the gates of heaven there during it.
And I was listening to like 80'srock and I was just like, make
sure I don't die, bro. Yeah, yeah, but the back of the
head. So the, the top of the head, it
feels like you're getting like drummed in because my homie, he

(01:26:38):
does like it's like dots, kind of like how you would get like a
stick and poke. Yeah, like fast, you know what I
mean? So it's like he blasted my head
in three days, like we did threedays in a row.
Yeah, it was intense. So we would, we would, we would,
we would tattoo all day. And then he wouldn't he like
they were very generous and kindand they made food.
It was a sick and like I couldn't have asked for a better
experience, you know what I mean?

(01:26:59):
And yeah, they cooked food and everything like that.
And then I was asking him, I'm like, bro, you have an extra
bed. Like you have bed.
Like my truck didn't work. Like I didn't have heat or
anything in there. So I'm like, I wouldn't like I
had to be back the next day. And I was like, do you mind if I
just crash out here? And then he was like, I was
actually going to ask you if youwanted to.
And so then we had like the hospital covers on the on the

(01:27:20):
pillow and stuff. So I'm like, I know, I know I
won't get infected. Yeah.
And then yeah. And you just, yeah, it was like
it was a perfect. That's a spiritual experience.
It was very. Spiritual bro, it was fucking
like. But that's what a tattoo should
be. Exactly and my head came to me
bro I was literally thinking about it and then it lined up
perfectly. I was in Vegas.

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My ex-wife at the time, like herand her friends went out and I'm
like, I got to get up at at 5:00AM to get to my tattoo
appointment by 12. I was I ended up being there
like 12:30 because I had to go to the fucking gas station to
buy a charger, which I just bought a charger on the way down
here because I still drive my myold truck that I'm like, I
fucking love this thing. I'm.
Like yeah, dude. I'm like, I mean, yeah.

(01:28:01):
And so like that was. Yeah, I've got an old Acura and
I just don't want to get rid of it.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm gonna get into drifting bro.
And even that I don't fuck one of my one of these dudes was
like, yeah, bro, I'm again, I'm scheduled to go drifting August
16th. And I was like, bro, if you want
a tattoo, like just take me drifting.
Like I wanna learn that shit. And it's like, but get an old
Mustang or something like that. And I'm like, I'd fucking love
it. Get like just I'm like, 'cause

(01:28:21):
I'm like, I really respect like the high school kids that could
put like 5 grand. Like for a car.
Like my first car was a Dodge Neon.
It was 1500 bucks. Yeah, yeah.
White racing stripes down the middle.
You can create any, any type of tattoo that you want, bro.
You just talk about the experiences.
And you're talking about the Sacred Heart, like all that
shit. Like I've been thinking about
like how I would and and that's the thing I needed to let go of

(01:28:44):
and it's. Control, bro, that's the whole
Fight Club thing. Let go, got that?
He's driving on the on the fucking road and he's like, bro,
that's your problem. You just want to hold on, Just
fucking let go and it's like that shit.
Yeah. And it's like, bro, as soon as
you let fucking go and you let God in like that is when
miracles unfold. Like it's just pain.
If you take, yeah, take you, yougotta go through your shit, bro.

(01:29:05):
You can't escape the hero's journey.
If you wanna climb to some fucking heights that have never
been climbed before, you gotta expect to go through some shit.
Like it's talked about in the Subtle Art, bro.
Mark Manson's like my favorite artist.
My the book I always recommend to people is The Subtle Art of
Not Giving a Fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bro, that book is that book is gospel because he's like, yeah,
you, you want to be a fucking rock star, but you don't want to

(01:29:26):
sit in the, you don't want to sit in in your van and go to
practice and shit like that. You just have the idea of
wanting to be a rock star. And it's like the same thing
with tattooing. It's like all these fucking
little schools that pop up to teach people fine line.
And it's like, you got to actually want to tattoo.
You can't just want to go in because you think there's a lot
of money. You're going to get chewed up
and spit the fuck out if you think that's how you're getting

(01:29:47):
into tattooing. You have to get into tattooing
because you absolutely love thatshit and you would tattoo for
free. Like it like that's the reality.
You know what I mean? Like there's there's apprentices
that that legacy where I'm at right now who have been
tattooing. They haven't tattooed and
they've been there for a year and it's like these fucking
artists are insane. And I'm like, why the fuck are
they not tattooing? You know what I mean?

(01:30:08):
I'm like, people literally do a three day school for fine line
and then they're going out and tattooing and I'm like these
fucking girls, like their art islike, I'm like, as soon as you
start tattooing, you are going to blow the fuck up.
Like you're going to be so far gone, like you're going to be
out of this fucking world. You know what I mean?
And it's like, why the fuck are they not tattooing?
Why are they still setting your shit up?
What I hate, bro, is the old school way of apprenticing

(01:30:29):
people where you gotta be someone's bitch and you gotta go
clean their tires. Yeah, like, Angel Rose talked
about how that was her apprenticeship and she would
like, be like, I'm done cleaning.
And he's like, no, you're not. And he'd fucking drop a wine
bottle on the floor. You know what I do?
If I drop someone dropped a fucking wine bottle on the
floor, I would break that motherfucker's jaw.
Like, absolutely not. Like, who the fuck?
Like, who the fuck do you think you are telling somebody they

(01:30:52):
gotta suck your Dick, like essentially to learn how to
fucking tattoo? Like these people come in, I'm
getting heated, bro. I'm getting fucking fired up
because you have people who comein with a sick fucking
portfolio. I barely knew how to like, I
knew how to do art a little bit,but I'm like, these people
literally don't fucking. They don't have money.
Like there's a girl in there who's 19 and she's like, I

(01:31:14):
dedicated the back of my leg to her already because of how dope
her art is. She hasn't even touched a tattoo
machine. I'm like, bro, I will take you
myself. Yeah, I will take you under my
fucking wing. Like fuck all this bullshit,
bro. I don't fuck with it because
these artists are artists like through and through.
It's another medium. I could, I could paint for two
weeks and I could sell $50,000 paintings for sure, just because

(01:31:37):
of like my audience. But it's like these people, as
soon as they pick up a tattoo machine, you learn how to
fucking pull a line correctly. I teach you how to line shit
from, you know, line paper like I'm doing for my dad.
My dad's lines are going to be fucking crisp, bro, Crisp within
like 60 days. Those motherfuckers are going to
be sharp. That motherfucker's going to be
making $500 a tattoo because he's going to be doing Reiki and

(01:31:57):
tattoos and that shit is going to be fucking sick, You know
what I mean? And it's like, why the fuck are
they waiting a year before they're setting your shit up?
You come into your sick, your shit getting set up.
Fuck that. Well, it's not a mentorship.
And that's what Right Now is starved with.
And not just within the tattoo industry at all industries.
You they still have this mentality of carrot and stick.

(01:32:19):
Yep. If you do this shit, yeah, yeah,
yeah. Go for it, man.
Thanks for. Thanks for being open man.
Yeah, bro. But The thing is, is I also
understand why tattoo artists dothings because that's how they
had to do it. And I understand, like tattooing
is fucking sacred. And that's the thing that also
pisses me off about the industryis people who just think that

(01:32:39):
they can come in and they pay $5000 and they get a fucking
certificate. That's fucked up.
Like art, like the tattooing is the most sacred fucking thing
you can do on this planet. Like you are, you are literally
designing somebody's fucking whole, like future, past,
present, all of it on their fucking arm because that shit is
magic. That shit is magic.

(01:32:59):
And you have to have somebody bless you.
I told my dad, your tattoo machine will find you and mast.
They send me a tattoo machine and I was like, will you send my
dad one? They're like, we actually have
one. That's that's for starters, it's
a dragon hawk. I've been using those fucking
needles for the last four years because they're $20 a box
compared to fucking Da Vinci that are paying $35.
It's the same fucking needle, like it's just all branding and

(01:33:20):
shit, you know what I mean? And it's like.
This, it's, it's just keeping the same fucking way that things
have been done forever. It's like, bro, we're in 2025.
It's time to evolve, motherfucker.
Like, get what? The fucking times, Yeah.
Yeah, it's OK to change, Yeah. Bro, it's yeah, any fucking
point. Every day you wake up is a new
beginning. You can wake up and it's like
diet starts to fucking day, not Monday.

(01:33:41):
Like I wake up and I'm going to change my fucking life today and
I start doing that shit and people start thinking I'm crazy,
'cause I speak what the fuck I'mgoing to do and then I do it.
Now is never too late. Dude, you know that's
inspirational. What's crazy is 2 weeks before
that my ex-wife was like, I feellike you're going to leave.
And I was crying because I was like, what do you mean I'm going
to leave? She's like, well, if you went on
to go be like a Buddhist monk orsomething, I don't know if I'd
wait for you. And I was like, well, I was in

(01:34:03):
the military and I was I, if I deployed, I'd be gone for a
year. I'm like, I'm not going to be a
fucking monk, but I'm like, but wait a second, like what do you
mean you would leave? You don't know if you would
stay. I'm like, I would fucking wait
for you for for fucking ever. Like if, if I love you and love
is enough and I believe love is enough.
Some people don't. But to me I'm like, I don't

(01:34:23):
know, it feels like it should beenough.
You figure out how to make shit work if you truly love somebody.
I mean, what's your, what's yourtake on that?
Yeah, I've married for 20 years and.
My ex, I mean, she told me Love's not enough.
No, my wife and I mean I think my.
Conditional love is not enough. When, what?
What? What?
Explain to me what you what? Conditional love, yeah,
conditional love is love that has based on conditions.

(01:34:46):
And that's how I've been feelinglike the whole my whole fucking
life is because I'm like, it's like almost like the awakening
of like it's a tick for tack. It's like, no, if you love
somebody, just fucking like do whatever you can to make like
think about them. It's like when you want to bring
Jesus in your life, think about him.
When you want to bring God into your life, think about him.
Like if you think about somebodythat's love, like if you're
thinking about somebody that's love, like you don't even have

(01:35:08):
to be in a relationship. You just because you go buy
something, you think about somebody that's like showing
them love, that's sending them good vibes.
Like that to me should be enough.
Yeah. No, it is I, I believe it is,
you know. Not because I paid for dinner.
You need to pay for dinner. Like that.
Shit's so fucking exhausting, bro.
Yeah, the tick for tack. Like when I was living the tick
for tack in both of my last relationships, I felt like a

(01:35:28):
fucking piece of shit. I wasn't tattooing.
I was tattooing people way underwhat I was supposed to be
charging because I was desperateas fuck.
And I'm like, I got to move the needle.
And that's the name of my fucking.
That's the name of my, my, my program.
It's called Beyond the Needle. So it's like I had to fucking
move that shit. I had to figure out how to move
fucking energy. I had to take all this shit that
I've learned over the last fucking however many years of my

(01:35:50):
life and be like, all right, bro, you got to figure this shit
out. Like you either fucking sink or
you swim. And I had to figure out the fuck
out. And now it's like I'll be back
to making my 30 grand a month and then another fucking 6
figures on top of that. But it's like I had to be
fucking humbled. I had to learn like OK, this
money is not for you to just fucking go buy 8 Lamborghinis.
Like what the fuck are you doingwith eight Lamborghinis?
Or this motherfucker's got 3 fucking planes.

(01:36:11):
Like what the fuck do you got? Three planes?
Yeah, that was the. Right when we, I, I made the you
talked about taking out HELOC todo investments.
I did that several years ago to invest in a grow farm out in
Oklahoma and the all the projections, all this stuff was
I I would be at 8 Figure 8 or 10figure salaries, 8 or 9 figure

(01:36:35):
salaries within within a few years.
What within a few years? And so I was looking at it going
shit because you're kidding. No.
And so I'm like, OK comp and theway this is because if I keep
putting back in, I would not be stupid enough to pull out.
I would keep investing. And you never would, bro.
I got one of my mentors and I'm like, how the fuck are you gonna
like you're making, you're making probably $1,000,000 a
month and at what point are you like this is enough?

(01:36:57):
It was that mindset of like, Oh,well then we could buy all these
jets and then we create a jet travel Airbnb, like all of these
things. And it's like, well, why?
Why is it? Being plugged into the matrix
versus because that's what I. Thought yeah versus going.
And now it's like, you know, if I had that much money, do you
know how many people I could help?
Bro, you could change the bro, you go to Columbia with that
much money, you could fucking change the God damn, the entire

(01:37:20):
country. Yeah, so you take $1,000,000 a
month and you could, bro, you can change a fucking bro.
When I was so fucking broke, like if somebody let me have a
fucking water, like I was grateful as fuck, you know what
I mean? But it's like I had to learn
that because I went from like being the kid that was so
fucking kind. And then I got caught up in all
the bullshit of like chasing fame and money and all the shit,
you know what I mean? Like I was like, I'm gonna

(01:37:40):
tattoo all these fucking people,you know what I mean?
Like I had a dream of tattooing Jordan Clarkson.
And then it's like now his brother was in my manifestation
group, 'cause I was teaching people all about the laws of the
universe. And it's like I see him at the
bar. It's like I've manifested my
whole fucking life and it's like, yeah bro, it just.
Yeah, just got to live and flow.Well, yeah, definitely and and

(01:38:02):
not fight against that current because what you want to do,
whatever is pulling you, you can't go against.
And that's where people tend to get more fucked up in life is
it's not more, it's the quality of what you have around you,
right. And I, it's like what I've told
my son and, and those I've I've ever mentored on that one is
that the, the most valuable currency that you could ever

(01:38:25):
have in this life is friendship.Abso fucking lutely.
Yeah, that that you'll never go hungry.
You'll never be without. Connection bro like I consider
you guys my friends now. Yeah, absolutely, dude, you
guys. Golf me let's.
Golf. We got a friend.
We got a friend who owns a golf course in Salt Lake.
He gave us yeah golf putters with the.

(01:38:48):
I'll tell you about this. That's like I I wanted to get
better to tattoo, but I really wanted to get better to golf.
Like I'm like, if that could have any profession in the
world, there'd be a professionalgolfer.
You go to all these dope fuckingresorts, you get a golf like I'm
like, I've never golfed in Mexico.
I'm like, I'm about to just go by myself to Mexico to go
fucking golf because I can, because you know what I mean?
Like why the fuck not? Yeah, dude, beautiful.
You'll you'll get a kick. This is a trippy story, so I'm

(01:39:12):
with a friend. She's she's amazing in my life.
She's the one that created this thing called 12 shapes.
So I've talked about a ton on the show.
Won't go too far into it. I'll help you out later on if
you're interested. But basically it just tells you
all about how your behaviors arein life and where your balanced
behaviors are and where your unbalanced behaviors are.

(01:39:34):
So it's more like just lights. It's like street lights for me.
I'm like, oh, I'm doing good. I'm in a green.
If I'm kind of iffy over here, I'm doing behaviors that oh man,
I shouldn't be doing these wins because these just pull me down
rabbit holes of unproductivity or focusing anger on some shit
or being upset with myself, withothers, God, the universe,

(01:39:58):
whatever. These are things I know that are
pulling me off that horse and you start to see it.
Where either you're successful or not monetarily, that's not
really the case. It's your relationships and when
they start falling apart, right,Well, she's awesome.
We get this thing, we go to meetto talk about her nonprofit to a
couple friends of mine. Her tire popped, had to pull off

(01:40:21):
the freeway and pulled into thisparking lot and she's like, hey,
after, can you give me a ride over to my car?
It's got a pop tire. I said absolutely.
We get there and I'm like, don'tworry about it, let me change it
for you. She doesn't have a spare.
I learned about new cars have a pump in there and I'm like how
the fuck am I going to pump up atire with a big old slash in the
side? Flat.

(01:40:43):
Yeah. No, no, they just don't put.
Spares, BMWA, lot of those they don't maybe Maserati like they
don't come with spares on some of those.
Oh yeah, I understand that. I paid, I paid $80,000 for a car
I knew nothing about. And then I learned that it had a
Ferrari engine and shit and I'm like, I gotta get another
Maserati fucking dope. But then I'm like, OK, let me

(01:41:05):
make sure I'm doing it for the right reason.
Because I'm like, when I bought it the first time, I'm like,
it'll probably make me look cool, you know what I mean?
And it fucking was cool as fuck,you know what I mean?
And it probably made me look a little cool, but I'm like, I
didn't give a fuck. But I was like, I was riding in
my fucking fur coat, my Gucci's on, you know what I mean?
Living the fucking, the, the Scarface life.
And then I'm like, that was fucking dumb.
But I'm like, I want a Maserati.Like it sounds cool to like roll

(01:41:25):
up in my fucking, in my eyes, odd fucking button up, you know
what I mean? Got my clubs in the back
listening to fucking Snoop Dogg as I'm rolling up, you know what
I mean? That sounds like a vibe.
And that's the perfect car for it's good in the snow.
It's fun. It's fun car.
No, dude, but we start we're at this golf course and I don't

(01:41:47):
have any of the tools to take off here.
And I'm like, well, I'm sure there's a guy at mechanic or
summit back here. I walk in the back and there's
this dude over there and I'm thinking he's like the
maintenance dude and I'm all hey, man, I've got my did my
friend's tire out here. Sorry, it it did you have any
tools? He goes absolutely.
I'll, I'll ride out, drives me out in his little cart.

(01:42:08):
He looks at it, helps me Jack itup.
We take the tire off and he goes, there's a tire place down
the road. They'll take care of you.
They're awesome. We get the new tire, come back,
we're putting it on and I'm overthere trying to put it on.
He's talking to this lady Kim, and she's like, we're talking
about 12 shapes. And the guy goes, oh, you guys
know about 12 shapes And we're like, how do you know about 12

(01:42:29):
shapes? And he goes, oh, I was listening
to this podcast, my boy. He always talks about 12 shapes
out there and she goes, what podcasts are you talking about?
He goes cannabis school and I had my hat on and I take it I'm
hey dude and he he literally freaks out and starts crying and
picks me up and hugs me and he goes I pray to God to meet

(01:42:51):
somebody to introduce me to you guys.
No shit. No shit.
Right. Mylet talked about that when he
got off the plane to go to to Keaton's house about how they,
the cab driver, always wanted tomeet the Diesel brothers.
And the Diesel brothers were in the same spot that I was at when
I was getting mentored by Keatondude.
And there was just like, and then so and Mylet, because I got
the tattoo from it says be the one and, and my life talked

(01:43:14):
about that in one of his speeches.
And so I got that tattooed on mebecause it's talking about be
the one person's going to changethe the trajectory of your
family life. And it was like I, I was on his,
his his Instagram because he waslike thought that shit was cool,
you know what I mean? So it's like he talked about it
and then got the tattoo. So it's like, I wanted like my
dream is to be on his podcast. Like I listen to him.

(01:43:35):
Lewis Howes like all those guys.The guy that did quests.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. You tell the quest bar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like him.
But it's like, those are the people I grew up listening to.
Yeah. And it's like all of them are
preaching the good word. Like Lewis, Howes had hearts all
over the walls, You know what I mean?
Yeah, and I love his story too. I mean, and it's exactly the

(01:43:56):
same thing. You have to fall from grace.
I mean, that's what else. Is there bro?
What else is there? But that's where it is, man.
It's like a lot of people think that they deserve it, but it's
just mercy. It's just the mercy.
It's, it's prolonged mercy when you're truly, like thinking
about like, and none of this shit matters.
Yeah. And if I had, if I had copious
amounts of cash, I would be likeevery time I could help

(01:44:18):
somebody, I would. Bro, I'm like for me, I'm like
for now I'm like, I was like, I'm finally getting to the
place. I'm like, I got $1000 now
finally you know what I mean? And it's like my ex is asking me
like send me a Venmo request for$500.
I'm like, what the fuck are you like we, we separated a while
ago. I've I'm like, I have no fucking
money. You just made $50,000 and you're
telling me that like you're missing me and shit, but you

(01:44:39):
sent a picture and I literally was fucking bawling in the
morning and I sent her a pictureof me bawling.
You know what I mean? It's like, you just made
$50,000. Why are you sending me a Venmo
request for 178? And I'm like, I have $300 to my
name. I'll fucking send it to you
because like that, yeah, that's our, our portion.
Like if it's really going to continue to be fucking petty and
be this tick for tat bullshit, then I'll give you your money.
And then it was like a $500 Venmo request.

(01:45:01):
So I'm like, I don't have $500 to give you.
You just told me you made 50,000.
You're probably making 75,000 because she just, all what she
does is she teaches. This is what's fucking crazy.
This is how crazy the fucking tattoo industry is.
So she, she, she makes like 75 to $100,000 a month teaching
therapists how to go from insurance to private pay.

(01:45:24):
And they're, they're happy when they start getting phone calls,
phone calls, bro, they get one fucking client and they're happy
because it pays for their, theirinvestment, because it's like,
OK, I'm going to have this client for 12 times that's gonna
be for this month. This is gonna be XY and Z.
So they're getting their investment.
I'm telling tattoo artists, I will guarantee, I will fucking

(01:45:45):
guarantee you will make $5000. I was, I was charging $7777.00.
That was a discount. That shit will be $10,000 for
sure because you're making $5000in two fucking months.
What happens when you change your whole fucking trajectory?
When you go from making $50,000 a year to $250,000 a year?

(01:46:06):
You're now working with all of these fucking brands that I work
with. I now turn you into a celebrity
tattoo artist. What the fuck does your life
look like then? But nobody gets it.
It's like they don't understand.I'm like bro, I literally can
see the vision for you. You just need somebody to guide
you. Yeah, no, genius is usually
missed over multiple times, right.
And that's difficulty with it. Yeah, especially where you're

(01:46:27):
expressing yourself through suchan amazing.
Sounds like you have a whole course and everything too, so
it's already built. We'll make sure we have your
links. Yeah, for everyone.
Yeah, we'll have all your contact information down below.
I'll. I'll talk to my team because
we're working on how we're goingto pitch it again because I I,
you know, so so I have a lot of respect for eyeshine.
He's the dude in Sacramento. I'm actually going to I've

(01:46:48):
manifested this to go and tattooat his shop.
So I'm tattooed in his shop in October in Sacramento.
So if you're in Sacramento and you're listening to this and you
want to get tattooed, hit me up because that shit is going to go
quick. I'll probably be tattooed in two
days out there and I'll just be hanging out and vibing because I
want, I've always wanted to learn from I shine because I
watched his upbringing how he did it cuz I that's who I
learned from. I didn't have a mentor, bro.

(01:47:09):
I learned from my boy Ivan in Switzerland who's got 2 tattoo
shops. So I'll tattoo him out.
I'll tattoo out in Switzerland cuz I want to go there.
I got Oliver Ayer who's in London and that motherfucker
just decided to write me off because I was telling people I'm
making $2000 a day and he's like, who the fuck makes $2000 a
day? I'm like, bro, let me fucking
help you dog. Like why are you dissing me?
Like I've been doing this shit for two years and you've been

(01:47:31):
doing this for six fucking yearsand you have 405 hundred 1000
followers and yeah, you have a fucking, you have a sponsorship.
I'm like, I got a fucking sponsorship 2 years in, bro, who
gives a fuck? Like let me help you make some
money. And it's like, and then I have,
you know, I didn't even get to meet Eyeshine, but it's like I
just respected that dude. Like he was ambitious as fuck.

(01:47:51):
He was hustling. I'm like, that's the same vibe.
I'm like, I know me and him would vibe.
Like he's on his spiritual journey and shit.
And so I get to go out and meet him.
I'll pay for his $1500 course tolearn design because I'm like,
I, I want to get it, but I don'thave the money yet.
I got to get some like excess funds, but it's like that, like
he's got his own shot. Like that dude's probably making
six figures a month, like for sure, you know what I mean?
And it's like, he's probably like, well, if you're about it,

(01:48:12):
it's 1500 bucks. Like I discounted this shit 40%.
And it's like he understands thefucking mindset of a tattoo
artist that it's like, but it's like he's the fucking pinnacle
of like who people respect. And so I'm like, I'm going to
stop doing this because this motherfuckers been doing.
Like he's been putting in the work.
I've been putting in the work too, but he doesn't fucking know
about me. He doesn't know about my story,
you know what I mean? And so it's like, I'm just like,

(01:48:34):
that's why I was like, and I shouted him out on Instagram.
I'm like, I'm going to not do this because I realized, like,
my passion is in tattooing. And I realized, like, I'm trying
to, you know, figure out other ways of making money.
And I don't want to quit tattooing because I've told the
world I'm going to quit tattooing twice.
So I've tried to run for my destiny twice.
Every time I do that, my life gets fucking hectic.
And then I realized I'm like, this is my fucking calling.

(01:48:56):
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Still running from it. Well, with that man, dude, we
are so happy you came out. This has been an awesome
conversation. Everybody you're going to be
able to find all everything you go follow them.
Make sure that you keep in touchwith them.
I'm going to give you my my my tags and shit.
Oh, yeah, We'll just, we'll takecare of all of it.

(01:49:17):
Yeah. We'll be down below.
You guys can find it there. Yeah, love you guys.
Yeah, catch you next week. Take care.
God is great, baby, let's get it.

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