The Sesh with Frank — From Highs to Healing - Cannabis School

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with
everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
So you into conspiracy theories?I used to be.
Used to be, yeah. What were you into?
Don't. Get high enough I.
Don't know man. You know, it's, it takes so much

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of my time. Oh, so you go into rabbit holes
with it? I used to, yeah.
Yeah. What's the biggest?
The whole after 911, you know that.
Oh yeah. Building 7 and all that.
Yeah, it was a whole thing. And aliens, yadda yadda.
I just, you know, I can't. So where's your where's your
thoughts now on 9/11? I don't have any comments.
I mean, it's amazing. What am I going to do?

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I can't prove anything. I can't disprove anything.
It's. Yeah, no.
Building 7's always the weird one for me though.
That ones the weird one. Yeah, like even the sensitive.
I'm from New York. Yeah, like that's I've, I had
family there when it happened. I wasn't there.
But you know, it's, they said ithappened.
They said it was a plane, right?They were there.
I got to trust what they're saying.

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No, no, I mean, I get that, but like when you when you watch it
and then you've seen other high rise fires, but they didn't have
a jet slam into it, right? It could have ruined everything.
But regardless, like it's just it's just crazy.
Like I remember that day very vividly at work.
Too. Yeah, I was like.
I was just like, what the But I had a good friend, her husband,

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her ex-husband. He was a stockbroker.
He was supposed to be in there, but he left to go get coffee.
And when he left to go get coffee, he got hit like and it
it fucked him up after that, like he he went to deep
depression, had a lot of survivor guilt and his life just
she just like I, I couldn't dealwith it anymore.

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I had to leave. Think about all the people that
are still suffering from that lung disease, from all the
debris. On the smoke.
I forget what those actual. Ash and everything, yeah.
I don't, I don't know what it is.
It's. Glass, metal, it's all
pulverized and it's just. Instantly turned into smoke.
Well, yeah, super healthy to breathe in just.
People years later still, I meanit's.

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Yeah. Oh, it's, it's absolutely
horrible. You know, I think about there
was this, there's a movie I got into.
It was pretty. High school, then in 911 then.
I was. I just graduated high school.
Oh, OK. Yeah, I shouldn't say that.
I don't want people to know how old I am, but whatever.
Well, I was like. Naughty.
I'm way old I'm. Saying that, and then you're
like, oh, I'm 40. I'm like, oh, I'm 38 like I was.

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It catches up. Freshman soccer year in high
school, I. Well, I had six months until I
had to be in college, and all I could think is like, oh, I'm,
I'm never going to college. Yeah.
I thought it was going to be like this massive war.
I mean, it was but. You thought you're going to get
drafted. Yeah, I would never get drafted.
That's not. I'm only child.
There's no way. Oh yeah, they're not getting me.
No, it's funny. Because I come up from Family 5.

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So you. Know they might have gotten you
oh. They definitely.
I was actually wanting to. That was the time like that I
was actually thinking of joining.
Like I. I actually almost walked into
the Marine office, yeah, at 18, so.
Your life would have been. A whole whole different life,
Yeah. Hands down.
Wow. Yeah, I did.

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No way. You did.
You were in the military. Yeah, right when I right when I
graduated high school, I left and then after my time I was in
the Navy. You're right, dude.
This thing is just like. Yeah, I was like, I don't know
why, but that guy's just, he never would before.
No, I joined the Navy, saw the world right before the war.
And then that happened. And it took a lot of convincing

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for my parents to keep me from going because I was like, ready
to go back. And then my brother started
getting little antsy and he was young and and I pushed him.
I was like, yeah, you should go.So yeah, Wow, dude, that's got
me coffee. Yeah, dude, he did.
It's like way. Down 2 1/2 Tours turn out
towards he he did a lot of combat Ramadi.

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He was in Baghdad in Camp Anaconda.
And then Ramadi was just a placewhere Marines lost a lot of
people there. But yeah, dude, like.
That's hardcore. But I mean, it's, you think
about it now though, man, like, you know, my son's 18 and for
him to, I've even told him, I'm like, you should join.

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You should totally join. And he goes, which one?
I'm like, I don't know. I mean, it's the Navy's, not
even what the Navy was like. They used to make fun of me and
my, my age group when I was young going into the Navy.
There were a bunch of pussies, you know, and I helped, I helped
like they, they brought me over to this ship called the, the
Missouri, the, the mighty Moe, the USS Missouri.

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This is where they signed the treaty with Japan when World War
2 ended. I had no idea.
And we're like right by it. And they're like, hey, we need
help to move shit around there. They're wooden decks, which is
crazy. Yeah, all decks now are steel.
But back then they had wooden decks still in a lot of areas.
And it was quite, it's dark as shit inside there.

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But it was, it was crazy becausenow I look at them and I'm like,
what a bunch of pussies. And they really are, like I went
through Shellback where you passthe equator and you get your ass
beat from like 4:00 or 5:00 AM until whenever chow is like 1
and it's just hazing non-stop. Yeah.

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And it was a blast. Like I I look on it kindness
because it. Was everyone's got their kinks?
Well, no man. I mean, you gotta.
Stop hazing, for you know you don't.
Understand, like when you're when you're in the military,
you're in those units. It's completely different where
your bond with that person goes beyond friendship.
It's like my brother's friends that he served in combat with,

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I'll never be as close to my brother as they were ever.
I mean they depended upon each other so.
Stuff together, that was. But you serve you, you are in a
in a misery together and even the misery that I mean, you
know, and I served the Navy. I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't
like gunning or anything like this is pre war.

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Right. Like I got out in 2000, but it
my brother just he went in what,22425?
Yeah, I think it was 2000. Two or three, but man, most
unlikely guy to go. Well, I appreciate your service
and your brother's service. I mean, that's I don't have the

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balls to. No, it's not meant for
everybody. No, no, I I literally joined
because my mom told me if I didn't figure my shit out in a
few months that I was going to be on the street.
So I was just like, and I didn'twant to be a construction worker
like all of my friends were being, or I don't want to become
a cop because that's too far away.
So I was like, well, what can I do?
I was going to join the Marine Corps and then.

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They weren't in the office. Yeah, they were out for lunch
and I signed up that day. That day, within a week I've
been testing. And then I was ready to ship out
and I was just like, Yep, let's go.
And it was, it was the best decision I ever made is the best
decision. A lot of stupid shit I did, a
lot of dumb things I should havedone.
Well, I'm glad you made it through.

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Yeah. But it wasn't, it wasn't hard.
It wasn't as hard. I really, I really regret, I
wish I would have gone to the Army or the Marine Corps.
I really do, because I I wish I would have been tested more.
That's the kind of mentality I had.
I really wanted to be pushed. But yeah.
Love a good challenge, yeah. Hell yeah, dude.
Brandon does too. Dude.
He he's going to do 1G dab. It's going to be the celebrate.

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Just kidding. 1G dab. It's such a waste.
You're gonna, you're gonna die, bro.
You're you're. Like I would just cough for
ages. That's what I mean.
It's like. Eric Kahn.
He would just. Yeah, Yeah.
So. I'd seen all of those and those
were really big for a while and IA buddy had a buddy who was
like, oh, I'm gonna do 1/2 gram dab.
And so he did that and he just was coughing and coughing and I

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was like, that seems horrible, right?
But a half a gram of concentrateis a really high dose that would
take care of all of my pain. And I was like, do I even need
that much? So I took a third of a gram,
which is still a fucking ton. Did that cough my lungs out?
But for like 3 hours straight, Ihad no pain.

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I didn't even for someone who isa medical daily consumer, but
also I feel like at moments a habitual consumer.
If I've got a pen in my pocket, oh cool, I'm gonna pull it out
and puff. Like if it's there, that's very
good possibility that I'm going to pull it out and puff on it
anyway. And I had no desire, no like
thought didn't even cross my mind for at least 3-4 hours.

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And I was just like, oh, that's quite pleasant.
That's not necessarily needed. Like it was pretty much excess.
I'm sure there's a nice level between 1/3 of a gram and
wherever mine would be that you know.
Do you have a happy place like adose And it could be different
for everything. It's like my happy place is like
25 milligrams for an edible. Is is a is a nice chill?

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It depends. It really depends on the on like
the day of the week, 'cause I can't get too medicated
throughout the week. Yeah, yeah, I can't.
I just like there's. What's your weekly like during
the week dose 'cause you just after?
Work. Pretty much I try not.
I'm 'cause my position is so busy with moxie, just in the
office, out in the field, driving deliveries.

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I can't, I, I can't be impaired too much.
Yeah, If I'm in pain or something and I have to take
like an emergency dose or whatever, it's gonna be like,
you know, like a pen or something.
Yeah, during the day, at night it's usually flour almost always
and, you know, maybe a dab or something.
Weekends, obviously dabbing, youknow, when I don't have to use

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my brain too much, right. Wow.
So when did you start dabbing? Was it before you moved to Utah?
Were you doing it in Vegas when you were still doing?
Moxie, my first dab was 2017 or no 2016 or 2015, it was
something like that. So it's better than it.
Yeah, this was, I knew the owners of Moxie prior to me

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working for them. So they're the ones who like
introduced me to dabs 'cause they were like one of the first
to do it big in Cali at the time, are they?
Still big in Cali? No.
OK, Yeah. Are they?
I don't even think they're operating in Cali.
Are they operating outside of Utah?
Yeah, Utah, maybe a couple otherstates.
I'm not aware. All I know is what we have here
in Utah, it's kind of like we'rea smaller company, OK?

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Like we're not owned by a major corporation like just.
It's not an MSO as far. It's, it's not, no.
A lot of things have changed in the last three years since the
last time I spoke to you. Yeah.
So like you moved up 2022. So yeah, we met a minute.
Yeah, we met you a little after you got here.
Correct. So you're, you kind of talked
before, like with other places about like your dad's journey

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through cannabis, his cancer andhow cannabis shaped that.
Was that I guess, was that your moment that kind of said, was
that the moment that kind of just had you think I want to be
part of this industry? I don't know if that was the
moment. I think the moment was well
before that because obviously like you're younger and you're.
Can you take us through that moment?

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Do you remember? Like an exact moment.
But for sure, like, you know, early college days, late high
school days, you're smoking and you're like, yeah, you know, one
day I'm going to, you know, I want to do this.
I don't know what I want to do, but I want to do it.
I want to sell it legally, right?
Not just like hook up a friend just be nervous about it.
Exactly. Like, I don't want to be like

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that guy that's selling dime bags or whatever, like in the
early 2000s, 'cause that's how it was, right?
So, I mean, pretty much I knew it was going to happen
eventually, just didn't know when.
As far as like the progression of cannabis throughout the
United States, 2017 happened, became legal in Vegas.
I was like, yeah, that's this iswhat I'm going to do. 2 years
later I was in it. Here we are.

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We're just start up. I started in Vegas in for MOX.
No, like what? What were you doing with four?
Packaging OK, so you just they had whatever.
You could get me into, right? Pretty much.
And the guy was like, yeah, it'sgoing to be like, you know, very
entry level. So, you know, is that something
you want? And I'm like, yeah, I mean, just

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let me, let me just. Get my front door a. 100% and
then I did packaging. It was like 12 an hour, bro.
It was so bad, you know, like itwas tough because 2019, that
wasn't that long ago. So I had two jobs doing that and
then an extraction position opened like ethanol extraction.
And I was like, I was like, oh, I want to do that.

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Had you done it? No.
No. No, that was your first entrance
into doing it. They they trained me.
So they were they just like, I mean, in retrospect, you
probably talked to them about itlater.
Maybe you did, maybe you didn't.Do you think they were doing
that just to be able to kind of see if you really wanted to be
there? Oh, what?
You mean like the packaging? I don't know.
I mean, that's where everybody starts, right?
I mean, I didn't have any experience besides using and

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besides the selling cannabis in the past.
And that doesn't really count ona business level, like the way
they were doing it. So yeah, I mean, I just put my
head down, shove my mouth and learned cool.
You know, I was like any position then it was like a
distillation position open. So it's like, Oh yeah, I want to
do that too. They're like, OK, we'll train
you. So it's like, I just made myself

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available. And then like, funny.
What's that? Isn't that funny how opportunity
kind of starts to go if you're available?
Well, you just got to want it. Yeah.
You'd be surprised how many companies would be like, yeah, I
mean, they'd rather train you, rather start you fresh then have
somebody that's like a seasoned veteran who's going to come in
there with their own ideals and money, right?
Like I was just willing to do itfor pennies.

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Yeah, you're just like fucking let's.
Go yeah, I was like, let me justdo it.
And then I started doing pop upson the marketing side.
So then I was like doing distillation, then pop ups and
then I just like kind of took itupon myself.
We had a bunch of these like dark pods and they were like
these CBD dark pods, right? And they were just sitting in
our inventory. Nobody was trying to sell them
nothing. So I was like, I'm going to, I'm

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going to go to a few CBD shops in Vegas and I'm just going to
start selling these things. I'm not even going to tell
anybody. I'm going to like, you know, put
a little menu together, introduce myself.
I started selling them and like Moxie's like, oh, that's dope.
No one was selling these because, you know, we didn't
think we can make money off of these.
So whatever. I just sold them.
And yeah, I mean, kind of like, let them see what I was doing.

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And they're like, Oh yeah, this guy knows what he's doing.
Like, he's good with people, right?
Just just talking and just making relationships.
And then see, after that, Moxie kind of went through a situation
in Vegas and we were working with Smokies edibles at that
time. I don't know if you're familiar
with them. So they came.
SM OK Y. SM OK is easy smokies.

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I might have seen those. They're here in Utah as gummies.
OK. Yeah, so really cool family,
very cool company. They came into Vegas, they
worked under our license, and Moxie was like, hey, that's
going to be you, just edibles, Smokies.
So I did that for almost a year,and then they were like, hey,

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you want to come to Utah, open up Utah.
And I was like, yeah, why not? I said available.
I said yes to every single thingthat they said.
I never complained, ever bitched, never just did it, you
know, never asked for more, never expected more.
You know, you just, you just gotto do it.
How long have you been with Moxie now?
6-7 years, something like that. So you moved from Vegas, where

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it was like fully legalized highenergy, up to Utah.
What's been one of the biggest shocks or unexpected surprises
of moving to Utah? Well, I mean, I think we kind of
talked about it last time. I don't think much has changed.
I'm still getting used to Utah three years later, but I love
it. I'm now like established here,
spot a house, right? Like we're we're in it.

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Like we're not. You said you got your own studio
in your home now and a. 100% Oh,is that my own studio for for
years? I mean, I graduated for
recording, engineering production, that whole thing.
But now it's on a whole nother level because it's it's a
business business. So that's making you money too
as well. I mean I it's making me break

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even ish enough to keep it going.
But that's the cool part. I mean, if you can get your
passion to be able to be funded,that's pretty awesome,
especially at the level that you're at, right?
It's gone beyond a hobby. This is something you're very
passionate about. Always have been, always will
be. Correct.
Yeah, if I could just break even.
I'm good. I'm not.
I don't want to get rich off of this.
Yeah, because it's fun. It's what I want to do.

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Yeah. You know, it's, it's the whole
process. You guys are creators.
You know how it is. Yeah, yeah.
It's just it's easy. This process.
You know, those who get like, it's kind of funny, like I'll
get, I'll get stuck in these. I'm always curious about people,
but there's, you know, that one,the really good podcast, Bobby
Ashcroft or something. It's some I can't remember.

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The one that doesn't exist. Yeah, now she's gone.
I thought you're gonna say BobbyLee.
No, no, I'd watch that Tiger Belly fire.
It's a good show, dude. He's hilarious.
Tiger Belly. Yeah.
Tiger Belly is a podcast that Bobby Lee runs.
It used to be, but now he has bad friends.
Yeah. Yeah, with his it's another
buddy and they just make fun of each other the entire time.

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Like the other, it's pretty gnarly.
It's good. The guy's always doing, like,
Asian stereotypes. Oh, Bobby.
Yeah, just, like, so pissed off.He's like, dude, come on, that's
not cool. He goes what's wrong with Bobby?
He's actually coming here in December.
Bobby is, yeah. Oh, I'd love to see.
He doesn't do many tours anymore, so that'd be cool.
It's crazy, dude. He's in his 50s.

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I know. What?
Yeah. Yeah, he looks like he's 30I.
Would not have guessed. Yeah, dude.
And he's a recovering alcoholic,too.
Yeah, it didn't really affect his aging, that's for sure.
No, he used to do the stories. Well, he looked 12 before, so
yeah. Oh dude, he did the shit he
would do. But him and Ari, Ari Shaffir

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used to play jokes on each other.
And the best 1 was Ari told this, it was a story.
It was horrible, but they love to prank each other.
And this one time Ari was just like, you know what, there was
this. He got him really good with
something like he, he hurt his feelings to the point Ari got
hurt by Bobby. And so he waited and Bobby was

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making his money from what was that one mad TV?
He used to be a mad TV. So he was talking about how
Bobby's got his money and he's over there and he was like, I
just want to get this guy back. And so he'd asked his for his
friends. Like I got to go take a shit.
And he goes, wait a minute, waita minute, shit this bag, would
you? And he shits in the bag and he
scoops it out and starts to paste it in to the top part of

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where the windshields the the sprayers would be.
And then he covers the windshield.
That's tough in it. And then the best part is he
tells everybody about the voice memo that Bobby left him.
He goes, I know this is you, Ari.
I know this is you. And he's he's on the phone, he's

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driving. And he had to stick his head out
the window to drive because thenwhen he tried to clean it off it
just sprayed more shit from whatwas packed into there and it
just smeared it everywhere. That's beyond pranking though,
man. That's that's.
Bobby's like that though. Bobby's taking his shit in his
car and his ex-girlfriend would go clean it up for him because

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he was driving home and he couldn't make it.
So he pulled over and just shit in the back seat just like right
on the seat. Yeah, you're telling me a lot of
things about this guy. I'm not too, dude.
This is when he was this is whenhe was like full blown hardcore
drug addict alcohol. Yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense, right? That's nuts.
And now he just like, he completely changed everything,

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but he's just. Good for him.
He is. Shit's in the front seat now.
Yeah. So yeah, he's he's so.
He's grown up a lot. It's, it's cool, 'cause I mean,
he's just like, he doesn't care about what he has.
Yeah. He's very wealthy now and he
just doesn't care. He just thinks, man, whatever.
He's like super into video gamesand stuff like that.
Like he'll spend his time doing that, but he doesn't spend

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money. Well, I think he did a lot of
smart investments, especially like crypto.
Oh yeah, what I read right. Well, he got gifted a lot of
them too. Like what's his name?
He, they call him the pod fatherAdam crap, forgetting his name.
But this guy, he is like literally the one guy who made
he, he created the idea, the concept of a podcast, and he

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gave the source code to Steve Jobs.
And he goes, yeah, it's this radio show, it's online, but
it's not regulated or anything like that.
And then Steve took that idea and he goes, can I have the
source code for it? He goes, yeah, here, here you
go. He goes, I wish I would have
never done that. And so that's what became Apple
Podcasts, and that's where it took out.
But he was gifted like 15 bitcoins earlier than he just

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kept everything. Oh.
Man, how nice. What a great gift.
Right. Especially now.
Yeah. Holy shit.
So when you first moved up here,it was mostly Moxie.
I feel like Moxie's evolved a lot like it is way more now than
it was when. You got so Moxie basically, I
mean it's just a brand, right? Because I mean our license is

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pure UT processing like that's it's like pure UT, that's our
license. But we have Moxie as a brand.
Since I've talked to you last three years ago, we've launched
Valley Lowe's, which is a new brand, probably new to you or
new to a lot of people, but it'slike a lower end cost efficient
product. Cured concentrates.

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These are the caramels, yes, Those are our new caramels, yes,
all affordable options, right, 'cause it's like we use like
distillate and cured stuff for crumble and all that, you know,
so and then we also just launched the San Juan Squish Co
out of state. Oh, so several brands, Yeah,
Yeah. Is it 5 brands you guys are up

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to under the pure Utino? Yeah, OK.
As of right now that are like onshelves.
Do you have a specific product line that's like with each
brand? Like 1 is more concentrates,
one's more like specific edibles.
No, pretty much like Moxie and Valley Lowe's, they have like
similar product categories. It's the other brands like the

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out of state San Juan and September.
Those are like rosin specific. OK for the moment, right.
So just having fun with it, man.You know, like trying to spice
up the industry a little bit here, adding more flavor and
variety. Yeah, If you could import one
thing from Vegas or that industry into Utah's, what would

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you do? Would you bring?
Probably baked goods. Yeah, we don't.
Have that that we don't we just got so the caramels are
considered confections. Yeah, like right, just like gel
cubes or gummies. So that was like a, a long
process just to get that approved by the state.
And then we had to do like a change request and get approved

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just to make those right. So I know it's a thing and we
really wanted like chocolates wewere pushing for and they denied
it. I know it's like.
Interesting. Yeah, I.
Don't feel like chocolates are more child driven than.
A No nerd ropes. I'm I'm not, I'm not OK with
nerd ropes 'cause it's too easy to 'cause they look identical to

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the other one. Well, honestly, it's.
Just so much. Gummies.
I mean, come on, man. I mean, like gummies are also in
that they peel the. Why wouldn't they not repeal the
children? Yeah, it just doesn't make
sense. Exactly.
That's my point. If it's in mom's purse, just
don't put it in your. Purse they'll yeah, they'll put
anything in their mouth. You just have to.
Don't leave it laying around. That's the thing.

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I think it's, I agree with you. I think it's a ridiculous thing,
especially now like where you see out there, like I, I know
that there's people that know the guy who owns cush cubes and
stuff like that, but I'm not cool with that because it's,
it's just another, they're like,oh, I can't believe he's selling
this in stores. It's just like, it's the same
with the mushroom gummies that were kind of a fad for a while,
like. Really.

(24:21):
What about kratom dude? I mean 70?
Have you heard of that? 70.
I think it's called 70 I mean. Is that a kratom form?
It's like an extract from kratom, but apparently it's
like, more potent than like, opioids and, Yeah, and more
addictive. And like, it's like why I I
think now it's banned in Utah. But there was like a moment

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where it wasn't. Yeah.
You could get it get it anywhereyou.
Could still get it online. That was like spice, yeah.
Spice was legal all over the place and yet that caused way
horrible experiences. There's always going to be
people trying to make money off of people's like, you know,
that's no abilities like it's, it's.
Exactly because it's like D8 delta is a issue with me just

(25:06):
because of but. Why though?
Curious. Yeah, how I feel on it.
I don't like the feel. I don't like the ickiness that I
get because it I mean again. Strictly quality and experience
because so there's only been thebest quality experience that
we've had or I, I remember having was from AHHC distilling

(25:28):
company that they got into it because they built refineries or
distilleries for not cannabis, but whole other industries.
And they're like, oh, we can do this.
And that was the best, purest, like cleanest extraction of
Delta 8 I've ever tried. And the best experience of Delta
8 'cause everything else from ithas had a very they synthesize

(25:51):
like gross. So, so that's the thing, right?
So there are companies who are just straight synthesizing it,
right? Yeah.
But D8IS found naturally, right?No.
Totally minuscule. When you when you have it in a
high concentrated amount in formand you're getting I know what
it it's try. It's like the euphoria that you
can get, but you're it's not thesame.

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It's not even close to the same.And the feeling after like one
time we had this company cake, they sent out these.
A dab rig and. Which is a really cool dab rig
by the way. 3G pens. And they were delta 8 and.
But they're they're, you know, that box said THCA.
Yeah. And then when you look at their

(26:33):
COA for it, it says like 98% Delta 8.
Yeah. And I was like, well, that's
interesting. So put that on the box.
From edibles, because I mean, everybody had them, you know
they. Got.
I've never taken those type likeD8 products that's why I asked
like why? Yeah, I'm just, it's the
honestly, dude, it's you have enough flour, especially really

(26:54):
good flour. Like that's one thing that I
don't know what your opinion is.I'd love to know.
I've really enjoyed Utah flour. I've really enjoyed some of
Utah. Flour, yeah.
I mean, dude, you got to understand like our testing like
standards here are pretty high, right?
I mean, compared to a lot of other states.
So that's a good thing. Yeah.
The issue is with testing here, just it's not enough yet, like

(27:16):
just testing and and it just it's frustrating some of the
testing, you know, when you see something on a test result and
you know, it's not there, right?It's like, why is that there?
It's like, are they not cleaningtheir equipment or is there a
mistake in their in their equipment?
And you know, I just don't know.So in in any state, there's
always going to be like that, you know, in the back of your

(27:36):
head is just 100% accurate. It's never going to be 100%
accurate. No.
So you just got to take it for what it is and just, you know,
but you know, for the most part,Utah does have some really good
quality flour. I mean, obviously other markets
have way better flour, I'm not going to lie.
Like, I mean, it's totally, yeah.
I mean it's I've had comparatively.
Speaking, I mean, we've had lotsof Colorado flour and I'm not a

(27:58):
fan. Like it's just, it's it.
Depends on. Same in same in Nevada.
Yeah. I haven't done a ton of Nevada.
Arizona too. Well, look at the environment.
Yeah, it's just straight desert.I mean, we're the second driest
state in the country. So I mean really dry here, right
there. Yeah, I've been surprised
though. I feel like some of even the
butt I've gotten from Dragonfly is way stickier than the butt I

(28:20):
was getting when I was going to Denver.
Dragonfly, it's killing it rightnow with the flower, to be
completely honest. Yeah.
I mean, they like the quality has gone up so much.
I mean, Buzz is killing it rightnow with the flower.
OK. I mean, Wholesome's doing a
really good job. I mean, there's a lot of
companies that have. Is Ritual Wholesome's top shelf?
Is that who it is? I'm not sure if it's their top
shelf, it might be. I mean, I can't speak for.

(28:42):
What are they? Higher, but that's under their
umbrella. Ritual.
That's their brand. Yeah, that's under the wholesome
umbrella, right? OK.
Yeah, there's highlight as well,highlights under there, just
bottom shelf. Man, that that's for Lemon Haze.
Quite pleasant for THC crystals.Really.
See, this is what I'm talking about, Yeah.

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The feeling that you get from this type of product where you
know that the quality standards are really high.
Imagine having that but now get this feeling like a slight flu
coming on, like an achiness. Slight flu?
You got a flu, you sick. No, no, that's what it failed
like to me, dude. No, no, I've been.
I'm actually thinking that the more you consume, the less sick

(29:26):
you get. I don't remember the last time I
got sick when I started using cannabis as frequently as I do
now. Like honestly I've had a cold
here and there but last few daysbut I haven't been sick sick.
Nice even like during COVID you didn't get sick.
Oh, I got sick during COVID, butI wasn't using as much.
I was using dirty disties all the time.

(29:47):
I barely got into flour. I got COVID once.
Yeah, I got it twice. It was pretty tough to.
Like not taste or smell my coffee the same.
I didn't. That happened to me too.
I lost that, that I, I was like,no, that's not going to happen,
right? Like.
This I'm like this sounds so fake.
Right and then it happens and you're like shit, 30 days
that's. Crazy.

(30:08):
I love coffee and I'm just sitting here drinking.
I'm like just, I feel warm. This I felt like I lost brain
like cells. That's I felt Dumber. 100% like
I was just tired and just yeah, yeah.
Exhausted. Well, after you're just like.
But you know what? I still didn't get the shot.
And then people are like, oh, what are you, a conspiracy
theorist? I'm like, no, I just.

(30:29):
No, I got 1 and I didn't want todo it.
I. Just don't do shots.
And I'm glad I didn't. And any further than that, my
dad got loaded up. You know, I don't, a lot of
people I know got the shot. They're fine.
A lot of people are like, Oh no,there's like, yeah, pig fetuses
and shit. I'm like, who's that?
I'm like, how do you, like show me that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like show it to me, man.
Like, I don't, you know. This is a I've hit photo and.

(30:50):
I just had read like how they were testing it and they're
testing stuff and then like how long and the stuff that was
going into it. I'm like, there's no real data
to support this. Well, I don't like maybe later
if that makes sense. Sure.
Well, they had to expedite everything exactly quickly.
It mean people people were dying.
Yeah, I think that's what they said, but just.

(31:10):
Yeah, no, right. Or anything else, you know.
And it's like, OK, But then evennow we look back and it's like,
how many were marked as COVID deaths, but they died from
whatever other true element their body had been fighting.
Pre morbidity condition I mean. They just, they could have had
something and then maybe COVID did escalate that, right?
I mean it. Expedited their I mean, if
people were really morbidly obese and you got COVID, like

(31:33):
you're probably going to have a harder because your your body
mass is so big and your heart's only so strong and I mean I, I
had. Already working overtime.
Oh, dude, I have a family memberon my wife's side.
She got COVID and and she would say like, Oh yeah, you know,
she'd carry around this oxygen thing with her all the time.
Was she an ex smoker? No.

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She's just really heavy. Super heavy, like we're talking
almost 400 lbs. And she's like would tell
everybody she goes, yeah, I got long COVID and I'm like, no, you
just need to lose weight. Well, I heard that's a thing I
mean. Well, she's got and that usually
comes from those who got the vaccine.
If you got the vaccine, if you got like at least like I think
like a full three or five, whatever.

(32:16):
Again, it's conspiracy theory like could have been hot dog
water for all we know. And they go, that's going to
protect you do. You imagine dude like hot dog.
Water. That's what we call disties.
100% yeah. Gross.
You're just like, toilet water. Why not, right, If you're
thirsty, right? But no, dude, that's where I get
into that too. Because the US government's

(32:36):
tested on the American populace multiple times without even
telling them. So it's like, yeah.
But you know, I mean, even if itthat is true that they're
testing on us for me, I don't give a shit.
I can't stop it. What am I going to do?
I can't stop my life. They.
Do it on the military. I don't think they test on the
civilian populace as much as they used to, but they do on the
military. As soon as you sign your life

(32:58):
away, you don't have a choice. Hey, you're taking these
vaccines. I don't really want to.
That's cute. Anyway, stand right here.
Well, you turned out all right. I got the anthrax vaccines and
they gave severe side effects. There were anthrax vaccines.
Yeah, they'll never give it to the populace.
They they still give it. They have a different version of
it now. But when I got was in the

(33:19):
middle, this is what got me out.I started having severe migraine
attacks randomly. From the vaccines, we don't.
We don't know. I mean, I there's no
correlation. They said it was prior
enlistment. And I'm like, how does this
prior enlistment? I never had any medical.
Oh, you said when you were in the hospital, which I don't
remember, they said you you saidyou'd had a headache when you

(33:41):
were a kid. I'm like, that's a headache.
This is putting me down. Like I couldn't see.
Well, yeah, I mean, it was bad. And a lot of my, a lot of my
fellow sailors, they were just like, bitch.
So you spend time on the ocean, right?
Oh, yeah. OK, so a lot of time.
So let me ask you know where I'mgoing with this.
Yeah, only a couple times, but. Really.

(34:03):
No, shut up. He'll try anything twice.
No, no, no, I'm not like this other guy.
No, no, no. No, what's up?
You guys are wild, man. I'm talking about aliens.
You're on the ocean. Ever see UFOs?
Dude, I wish. I wish.
He's in the Navy. We're just but fucking.
Yeah, no, you just dude. OK, so let me tell this is the
goes hand in hand. I think any armed forces that

(34:24):
goes hand in hand. But in the Navy, I remember I
got there and everybody fucks with you right away because they
want you to get over this whole thing that everybody's trying to
have sex with you, you know? Yeah, Because everybody kind of
jokes around like Navy's a bunchof gay guys or something like
that on a ship and stuff like that.
They're. Going to Yeah.
They're going to try to get you.Out.
But it, it's just to fuck with you, right?

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And I had a guy in there and he,he would mess with me all the
time. I'd be standing in line and I
would during the old times of, of the, I mean, this is old
times in the Navy. But they were dungarees, which
were bell bottoms. So we wore these denim bell
bottoms and then we had this denim shirt with our rank and

(35:06):
our name and everything. That's what sailors look like.
And we were ball caps and oh man.
So this guy, this guy was right behind me in, in in chow line.
He goes, oh, that's nice ass. He goes, hey, whatever the guy,
he goes, I don't remember his name Bantuck.
He goes, Hey, will you give me for this guy, guys, like I'll
give you a pack of cools. He goes, all right, I'll take

(35:27):
that, I'll take that. That's a sweet ass right there.
And he would do this all the time until I pushed him onto the
onto the table and I said, all right, you've been asking for
it. I'm going to give it to you and
start trying to pull his pants down with my with my boot.
And he's like, Hey, I was just fucking with you.
And I'm just like, dude, I'm allright.
I slapped my ass. I'm just fucking with you, dude.
He goes, you're all right, Angeles, you're all right,

(35:49):
you're all right. And so once you got over that,
nobody messed with you anymore. But there was this new kid that
came on and he looked super innocent.
So we just left a note on his rack, said be in your rack,
boxers backwards and bring something to bite on from your
sea daddy at 2200. And we joked around.
We went over there to his rack. He wasn't there.

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The kid slept in the engine roomfor three days until we found
him because we all thought he jumped off the ship.
We're like, what did we? Oh shit, we killed the kid.
We killed this kid because he hethought we were going to try and
have sex with him. No, dude, everybody gets over
that. So, but everybody jokes around
about it, but no dude, Aliens. None.
Never. Really not the coolest thing I

(36:31):
ever saw flying. Fish.
Yeah, those are the thing, right?
Are they still around? Totally.
Yeah, right. We're when you're in the ship,
we were going in the middle of the ocean.
And they'll be, it's crazy too. They lift up out of the water.
Yeah, they're like translucent and they go, they just shimmer
and then they drop back into thewater and they jump up like
schools of them. It was super cool.

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We saw a rare event of like a school of dolphins just playing.
We, we call it Steel Beach Picnic.
And we just, we just anchored out in the middle of nowhere and
just had a big old barbecue and bands playing on the ship.
It was awesome. And then we just saw these like,
dolphins playing over there. It was awesome.
That's pretty dope. But now dude like that and the

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only other crazy thing that I learned about it is glow in the
dark shit. Glow in the dark shit.
Yeah, so. Like fish shit.
No, like human shit. So every ship that goes out
there now, I know they do different things now, but it's
still, they're dumping it overboard.
If you're on a cruise liner or anything like that, that shit
goes right into the ocean. Yeah, I just saw a video the

(37:34):
other day about that I and I waslike, that's gross.
Yeah, it's fucking nasty. Yeah, it was a lot.
Oh yeah, and there that's in every ship in the in the engine
spaces you'll see. That's gross.
You've been on, you've been on acruise ship.
I've been on multiple. I didn't know that.
Oh. Yeah, what do you think they
put? It.
Yeah, exactly right. Yeah, you think about it.
Well, you think about how much is going.
When you go. So I grew up with a boat,

(37:56):
though, and that boat had a cabin.
We had a shower, we had a toilet, there was a sink.
There's a kitchen. It's a boat.
Yeah. Well, I mean.
Where did that ship that stuff go?
Into a brown water tank and whenyou would go out you'd have to
pump it out like if you were going to an RV place.
Totally. So I just assumed similar thing
like just way larger things. No, OK.

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They do hold it. They do hold an amount on there.
So every single pipe. You were on a cruise ship.
Did you see pipes above you? Yeah.
OK. You ever see that?
They're color-coded. Some of them must be.
Yeah, because they're different fuels or liquids.
You're when I would sleep, I wasstanding.
I mean where I was at there's probably like 6 different types

(38:38):
of flammable liquids that are constantly flowing around me on
the ship. Wow, on your on your ship.
On my ship, from jet fuel to diesel fuel to certain types of
things. But you'll see gold pipes in the
Navy. They have gold pipes, and you're
like, what's gold? They go, Do you shit gold?
Yes, you do. You're in the United States
Navy, so follow the gold pipes and that'll take you to the shit
tank. And the shit tank is huge, but

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it only keeps so much. But when you're out at sea for a
good amount of time, if you're near harbors, you're not allowed
to dump. Yeah, no, you can't be anywhere
near coastal areas, like miles and stuff.
But when you're way out there inthe middle of the Pacific, Nope,
you're dumping overboard. And because it mixes with
bromine, which bromine is what we use to be able to purify the

(39:22):
water, and there's some funny shit we used to do with that.
We put too much bromine in the in the purification because I
had to run that too. And it will turn people's nails
green. And anybody who's blonde, their
hair will turn great. So we did it one time with this
girl. She let her show.
She had gorgeous curly blonde hair, fucking green eggs and

(39:43):
ham. That's crazy though.
But it would glow in the dark. What the bromine?
The bromine with the shit. And you would see it like it was
like a little Disney magical trail that we left behind at
night because it's the darkest night you ever see.
You can go out in the middle of the woods.
You will not see the this the you've been out.

(40:04):
Have you been out really far? And you look up, it's the
darkest dark you've ever when you go out into the.
Weather deck at night. I was on a cruise ship which has
a million lights all over the. It's not the same.
Yeah, we go dark in shipper. We they'd set up the lights to
look like a cruise liner so nobody will mess with you

(40:25):
because that's how they identifyships from far away.
It's their light signature on top.
That's smart. Yeah, it's crazy.
Just. Giving away all the secrets,
man. Dude, fuck that dude.
My shift's decommissioned if yousay the shit.
They do lighting shit. They have it a fully autonomous,
they call it a. It's like it looks like a sea
Ray. The United States Navy has it,

(40:45):
and this is the submarine killerand it's massive and it's in the
ocean right now and it's completely just remote driven.
Oh, that's. Great.
It's huge and. It's oh, like somebody's just
controlling it. It's like no one's on the ship.
Well, somebody has to be on the ship, no?
It's all drone up like. Yeah, like Predator, cause
Predator drones are like the size of like close to F.
Sixteens. They're huge, but they're just

(41:05):
all remote controlled. Yeah, but a ship like, doesn't
it need things, maintenance? Like people have to do things.
But it's I mean it just dock. If it's nuclear powered then
yeah, it probably docks every once in awhile, gets checked out
and goes back out. But cool stuff.
It's a different Navy man. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I don't, yeah. So shit nasty.

(41:26):
What beats have you been mixing this week?
What's your vibe? I don't know man.
I mean, I've really been on the EDM thing lately.
Yeah, I've seen that. I know man, I don't know what
happened to me like I I was so hip hop all my life.
It's evolution, it's cool, and it's what's vibing.
For you, I was like a rapper forthe longest time, you know?
Oh yeah. And then like I I then I just

(41:47):
stopped doing that and I was like, I'm just going to produce.
And and then like I just stoppedproducing hip hop like music not
too long ago and just tune like EDM and house, Electro house.
I trance just it's just fun. Yeah.
I don't know. It's just.
No, I'm a huge fan of synth wave.
Synth wave is dope I saw. I love.

(42:07):
Synth. I got some synth wave stuff
coming too, but right now I havean Electro house song actually
releasing Friday. I'm sick.
Yeah, it's called Departure. It's this whole thing.
I don't. Know we'll have the link on
there yeah, yeah, the Lincoln area and I got I was.
Just telling him he was like what are you doing today?
I was just working on the video all day for it.
Like the music video dude yeah, cuz I have to do all the create

(42:29):
like just knowing it's a one manteam.
It's just you. Yeah, so takes time.
So do you you wanting to go intothat area?
You want a DJ and stuff like that.
It's funny because I've had a few people since I started
making EDM like, oh, you know, there's this event.
You want a DJ? I'm like, well, I'm not a DJ and
I'm like, well, they just assumeI am right?

(42:51):
So I'm like, shit, maybe. Is that another thing I want to
do? Kind of fun, man.
Issue is I'm gonna have to change my whole lifestyle
because those are like night gigs.
Yeah, they are. Right.
And I'm. Maybe like every once in a
while. Bro yeah.
Yeah, you know I'm gonna be dead, man.
I get up at like 5:00 in the morning like.
Oh man, have some of this so. When they're going to sleep.

(43:12):
Right. We'll see.
I don't know. I mean, it kind of seems like
that's where it's going because that's what happens, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll see.
I'm just going with the flow. I mean, I also make like lo fi
stuff. I sent you that link.
I don't know if you checked out some videos.
That's pretty sweet. Yeah, I'm just kind of all over
the place on the genre thing. Just.
Well, you're an artist, right? You're just playing with the

(43:32):
canvas. Well, pretty much.
But I like, you know, I have a nice diverse portfolio for like
syncing, licensing. You know, it's not just like
making music. It's trying to, like I said,
it's a business. To make money from it somehow
you have to treat it like a business.
Otherwise it's not. Yeah.
Otherwise it's. It's just doing stuff.

(43:52):
It's just a hobby. Well, it's that whole challenge
thing we're talking about. I love a challenge.
And this seems to be the ultimate fucking challenge is
choosing a a music, a pathway. Good luck.
Yeah, that's like me in college.Like, yeah, I'm going to be
super famous and, you know, be a, be a platinum rapper and
artist and producer and engineer.

(44:14):
It's like, Nope. It's like, yeah, OK.
And Spanish. That is awesome, yeah.
If I handed you 3 moxie concentrates, what one would
like really just like be your vibe and what one kind of throws
you off your game? That throws me off my game and
like, that's not a good thing, right?
Throwing it. Might just like set you in the

(44:34):
couch like if you hit if you're like.
More of a weight guy. That might like really throw me
off if I. Do that.
So the Super lemon yeah that we've had that's like my go to
sativa. I love that.
I love terpenoline. It's like my favorite terp yeah
I could like do stuff on that versus like a heavy strain that
has like pining that kind of gives me a little like anxiety.

(44:56):
Yeah right. So everybody's different, but
for me, I love that if I'm goingto chill, I don't know any kind
of OG man, right? What O GS do you guys do you?
Guys know, I mean, no, I mean, OK, you said for us concentrates
that we have, I'm just talking in general.
So we have a great voodoo hash rosin right now.
It's phenomenal. Yeah, that, that one's like, you

(45:16):
know, nice little couch. That sounds like it's got
delicious notes. It has that and has like, yeah,
high eye notes as well. Just want to sleep, you know?
So you're talking like dosing a smaller on that one for those
that are more uninitiated? I suppose, right, I mean, I if
for anybody that's uninitiated, I don't even know if I would
recommend concentrates right offthe bat, right when I I took the

(45:39):
patients constantly. I'm like doing pop ups and and
pharmacies and just and people are like, oh, what what are
those? I'm like concentrates and
they're like, I don't even they're like, how do I even use
these? So I'm like, OK, so these aren't
for you right now because they're like a lot of new
timers, right? Like they're just.
Real easy to overdose on something like that.
Have a bad experience? Same thing with edibles, like I

(46:01):
mean these somebody that's neverdone an edible, they get 1000
milligram bag and take a few, they're going to have a bad
night. We sell 1000 milligram bag in
Utah. Yeah.
Oh Dang. Are they 50 milligram edibles?
No, no. Well it's 1000 bag, so it's 1010
edibles per bag. Oh, OK.
So like 10 and they're each, I'msorry, 100 milligrams per piece.

(46:24):
OK, that's not bad. But we do 15 hundreds to our
sour green apples dressing, which everybody loves like I.
Didn't know we had that high of a dose.
That's cool. Didn't.
Yeah, yeah, they've got plenty of those doses if you go deeper
into the menus, sure, you can find those.
You're not going to find it at Dragonfly.
Dragonfly is pretty limited as far as they're edible

(46:44):
arrangement. That's.
Cool. People in Utah seem to buy those
more frequently than the lower doses, Yeah.
Yeah, see, that's what I would do because for me, my dose
usually starts like I decided I was gonna take.
Yeah, I could eat the whole bag usually.
I should have brought you more, I'm sorry.
No, no, no, no, no. Like I actually took less
normally. Like 250 is my start like my

(47:06):
entry. So these are 50 each, so take a
few and you know, let me know. But I actually took a hundred,
150. Oh yeah, yeah.
Or, you know, just don't keep them outside as a caramel.
Sorry to interrupt. Caramels are great in the fridge
so I'll put it in there. Yeah, caramels are awesome.
Yeah, now I just have such a stupid tolerance with edibles.
He does. He has a insane tolerance, but

(47:26):
he's always had a he, you know, And I have a decent tolerance
now, but at the same time, like it's nowhere.
What he was wrong? I'm the opposite.
Yeah, I can. I don't.
Know why that's good I could daball day smoke I'm I'm good I
could do things but when it comes to edibles even like a 20
milligram edible just. Put you on your back.
I'll freak out a little. Oh shit.

(47:47):
I'll have a little freak out like for like a good 10 minutes
in my head. I'm like oh oh shit, I'll.
Just you're earning that, yeah. I don't know why it's, it's
everybody's different, right? Yeah.
No. Interesting.
Yeah, random. Is it every edible even around
like 20 milligrams or is it justlike specific terpenes that you
notice or is it dose? I mean, there's usually now

(48:08):
you're not going to find terpenes and.
Most people aren't doing that. Yeah, because I mean, most
edibles are like distillate, so there's no terpenes in that.
Yeah. I mean, even if you are, if
you're putting terpenes in there, let's say I'm not.
I'm not sure. I'm not convinced that it's
actually doing anything to you, just based on some certain
studies where your body doesn't really.

(48:29):
There was a guy that we just hadon and he was talking about that
and he was using different plantstuff to achieve what terpenes
feel like. So when you eat it, he's got his
RSO or whatever has the thing was owl, but he was talking
about having different plants, different plant chemicals or
compounds that achieve the same feelings.

(48:51):
So you get the same full entourage effect that you would
if there's a true strain. So you so you have to do
something extra. Yeah.
It's not. Yeah.
Something different. And I was like, I'm not hurt.
Oh yeah. But that's really interesting.
Extreme doses of CBD. Oh, and RSO because he has, oh
man, glaucoma. Well, kind of.
He go would go blind. After a few weeks.

(49:13):
After a week last time yeah, yeah, yeah.
So he just. Totally had lost so oh so he's
blind and then he took he was. So he reversed a lot of it in
his right eye, and it got reduced a lot in his left eye,
but he was completely blind in his left eye and was going blind
in his right. And he's taking CBD.
He has, but he has a very different he dude, the guy is
awesome. He he really goes into the he's

(49:35):
got protocols based on what you're doing.
Like, he had this crazy story ofthis woman who she was like,
having anal leakage because of she was going through leukemia,
anal prolapse. Anal prolapse.
Yeah. So she's just leaking out the
back. She takes his regimen and it
reversed it. The doctors told her it was
done. That it's irreversible.
You'll never be able to fix thator cure it.
And just your ass. After that, like it stopped and

(49:59):
it was like holy shit. He's like, I've got a bunch of,
He's like, I've got all these. Which at first, like when we
brought him on, I was just like this motherfucker, another snake
whale sells a good CBD and he took care of my stuff.
He knows. What is he trying to?
Is he trying to sell anything though?
Dude, that's the thing, he could, but he doesn't care.
So you know it's real, right? He's a.
Part of the whole process, yeah,yeah.

(50:20):
From buying the quality problem.He's like, he's like CBD flower
by the pound is cheap. It's like 1 to $3.00.
He goes, I spend 6 to 9 for top shelf.
He goes ice put a lot and he he knows everything like where
people are worried if he dies, they're like your, your oil will
go out and he's like, I mean, I'm sure he's trying to put

(50:41):
things into place, but he doesn't seem like that his his
goal is to help people. The guy, the guy he's been
offered, he said many times. I mean, that's his word, but you
know, he's been offered many times to be able to partner
brand and he still doesn't take it.
So that's cool to be able to seethat.
That's awesome. But it's the same like when

(51:01):
you're talking about high quality, right?
And that's why I mean, you couldlaunch anywhere from Moxie to I
mean you, you and I mean amazingquality product, high level.
Is that one of the reasons what's kept you there is their
attention to quality? I think so.
I mean like, yeah, I'm the salesmanager, right?

(51:21):
But when you have a good productkind of sells itself and then
people like, oh, that's what that's what good sales people
always say. But it's kind of true.
Like, I mean, it's quality is quality.
Certain people don't want to payfor quality and and that's fine.
That's why we have like valley lows.
It's a cheaper price point. Quality is not as good.

(51:43):
I mean it's. Still decent though. 100% but
like the inputs aren't as good. That's what makes quality is a
good inputs. It always starts at the flower,
so you pay for what you get and.Do you guys grow your own flour
or you guys pull up from? No, not yet.
I mean, we're looking. We would love to have our own
grow here, right? Licenses and.

(52:04):
Yeah, I mean, it could happen inthe future, who knows?
I mean, yeah, a lot of things are just in the works right now.
But yeah, we're just sourcing flour from from other from other
grows here in Utah. You know, we just with our seeds
and our genetics as well. So it's not like we offer kind
of like a unique, a unique, a profile of different flavours
for people. Oh yeah.

(52:25):
Especially with having five different brands under there
gives you quite the diversity. It's a lot to manage.
Yeah, we're, we're a small team.We're nine.
We're nine people for. All the different in Utah
labels. Yeah, wow.
Yeah, yeah. That's not very many.
No. Yeah, you must be super busy
people. But I mean, that's that's a good

(52:46):
thing. Yeah, you.
Know the problem to have? Well, I mean, you know
efficiency, right? Like if you.
You can run that lean and it works.
But a lot of times a lot of these companies, they, they are
bloated though, because it's usually somebody who doesn't
understand either the culture, cannabis or they don't
understand business. I'd rather have 9 passionate

(53:06):
people that know what they're doing and that want to be there
than 30 people who don't give a shit about the business.
Yeah, it's just a job. Right.
That's the thing. So I mean, it took us a while to
find like those solid people, right?
But you know, still at the end of the day, people are people.
People are going to come and go and it sucks when the good ones
leave. It was like when we were.

(53:28):
It's harder. Over at what is it, Planet 13?
Yeah, in Vegas, Yeah, Yeah. The only part that I really
thought was cool there was the guys making the confections.
Oh yeah, because. They were, dude, they they look
like chefs. But it had that whole like, what
was it? The, what are they called?
Pharaoh, Pharaoh. Pharaoh.

(53:50):
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
It was like that. Like they really look like they
cared about what they were doing.
You kind of have to take a little pride, right?
Yeah, You probably caught them in a good day too, because I
know a lot of cannabis workers, they just love to complain.
Just probably like more like most people, right?
I mean, so many whiners out here, man.

(54:12):
For reals. There's also, there's also a lot
of solid people out here like inthe industry compared to what
I've seen in other states like the the bud tenders here.
I mean, they're really like dopepeople.
Yeah, they're nice. You know, like, like truly.
There's been an evolution, but definitely.
Yeah, but like you, I mean, they're really like, it's
different. It's the vibes here are

(54:32):
different because it's not like,you know, they're helping
people. So there's that sense of like,
yeah, we're actually doing something more than just getting
high and selling weed. Actually it's, it feels good to
help people, but I mean, they run the whole show here, all the
bud tenders, you know how it is like, I mean, it's because of
them that people keep coming back to the program. 100%.

(54:53):
Right. I mean, they're the face of it
all. Like I can't be the face of of I
can't be in the store every day.So they're the ones out here
really working for for us. And it's good to see like a
consistency. I mean, I know they don't make a
lot of money and it's usually their foot in the door, but it's
like what you did, right? You're just like, yeah, I'll
start in packaging. Like, you're not like, fuck

(55:13):
yeah, let's do packaging. You're like, hey, sticker for 8
hours a day. Yeah this saved my life.
Awesome. But you saw that as just like,
hey, this is my way. In well, yeah, you, you see the,
the long, the long term. It's yeah, it's a it.
There's a guy worked for a long time ago.
He knows him really well. He's a complete idiot when it

(55:34):
comes to understanding people. But he told me a really great
story. I didn't even know about Steven
Spielberg. When he was a kid.
They were touring the studios inCalifornia, the the Hollywood
studios. And he's just like, man, I want
to work here, too. So he just literally broke away
from everybody and started looking around and he's like,

(55:55):
I'm just going to show up tomorrow, Shut up tomorrow.
Grabbed a desk, moved it over the corner, put a plant on it
and then put a typewriter on it.Just start doing it.
Everybody just thought he workedthere.
That's real. Yeah, that really happened.
And then they asked them, they're like, what are you
doing? And he would just, he'd help
anywhere. He wanted that.
He learned everything. That's that's, yeah.

(56:15):
Because you got to have that right.
I mean, I, I even hate to for the pun, but you have to have
that moxie to be able to do something like that because
there's a lot of people that don't want to do that.
And you see that now more than ever where people graduate
college with like, oh, I got a bachelor's, got a bachelor's and
they're like, I can't take this job here because I, I see myself

(56:36):
as this valuable here. Well, they could see they, I
mean, it's, it's good to have that second-half of the mindset,
but you still have to start somewhere.
It's got to have both. Yeah, yeah, like.
Got to have both, dude. It's like what you're saying you
got nine people. I'd rather nine people than 30
people who are dicking off. But that's how it is.
I mean, I mean, you guys probably know through just
living life. I mean, you really don't start

(56:57):
living until you're old. Yeah, when I say old, like old
for us, like, I mean, because you get your, you have your
shits together. You have a different mindset.
Like it's. Way different than when you're
in your 20s. You're not doing stupid shit or,
you know, somebody says something slick to you, you're
ready to pop off. Like you're just like, yeah, all
right. Take it easy.
It is. Yeah.
I mean, that's. It is what I mean that in

(57:19):
cannabis, but. So what's on the on the horizon
for for Moxie? OK, what's what's on the
horizon? I mean, as far as what?
For cannabis for you. For for for you.
I don't mean just just keep going the world.
Think you're going to be a moxielong time you want to.
Like, Oh yeah, I mean, dude, if I had to, I would love to retire

(57:39):
with this company. That's how I feel about it.
That's cool that in my head that's what's going to happen.
But in reality. You'd never know.
I don't know what's. Going to happen, If you would
have told me four years ago, hey, you're going to be in Utah,
I'd have been like, yeah, right.So.
So what's on the horizon for Moxie?
Is there any new exciting thingsthat you guys are having come

(57:59):
through in? Like product wise?
Yeah, that you're looking forward to.
Well, dude, the the Caramel's super exciting, really pushing
those hard. Like we just dropped them like a
couple weeks ago. So there's only a few stores
that have them, but just something that's something like
really unique to Utah, right? Yeah, it's not a lot of

(58:19):
companies doing that. So other than that, I mean, just
more good concentrates, right? Yeah, we'd.
Really like to see concentrates.I just have a check camera and
then I don't know if it would throw it.
Off. It's still recording.
OK, sure. What was I saying?
You would like to see concentrate.
Oh yeah, we'd like to see concentrates a little bit more

(58:41):
popularized, especially for those who have been.
I mean, I see those who are using pens.
It's a good graduation to go right in 'cause it's.
Better quality, yeah, than it isin a pen.
It'll and they feel it and you'll see it as the program
grows. I mean, hey, when three years
ago, when I was here, what was there, 4050 thousand patients

(59:01):
and now over 100,000? Yeah, in three years and yeah, a
lot of those aren't are not active patients, but the number
is still increasing. Yeah.
So that's crazy. I mean, so I mean, yeah.
And as that population increases, obviously concentrate
usage will increase. And prices will go down.

(59:21):
Prices will go down. Yep, eventually.
I mean they have, I mean, we've,we've brought prices down, not
just Moxie. I mean we've brought prices with
Moxie down. But like Valley Lows, was a
massive drop off in price from what we were.
Used valley low running around for like a gramo concentrate. 60
to 65 versus like a 75 to 85 formoxie, right?

(59:44):
Yeah, obviously those are cured inputs.
Dried flower, it's going to be alittle cheaper because the
inputs are cheaper. Yeah, right.
So and it's it's cured, it's notas good as live.
So it has its ups and downs, butit's still a concentrate.
So and. No, that, that I, I actually
want to go into that real quick while we're talking about it.
Tell us about that. Cured and and dried.

(01:00:07):
What? Yeah, what?
What? What does that mean?
Well, you know, live resin when you or live rosin live is is
frozen flash frozen flour. You know, when they harvest it,
it's frozen immediately. So it kind of preserves
everything. And then you mean keep it frozen
for however long you want, I suppose.
And you extract it and it just has a way better profile for,

(01:00:31):
for flavour and effects and all of that.
And like a cured product and cured is like dried flour.
So they're extracting dried flour in the same way, but it's
just dried flour. So the quality is slightly
degraded. You could taste the difference
for sure. Yeah, I like from cured to live,
right. I mean, it's still going to like
still super concentrated. It's going to, it's going to get

(01:00:53):
you medicated, but it's a different experience, not.
Potent. Not at well, yeah, I mean, just
the terpene retention is not there as much and it's just.
But dude, we've extracted some cured flour that has come out
phenomenal. So sometimes you get the outlier
that's just like, whoa, this shit is crazy.
Like. The buds just that good.
Right. Yeah, so.

(01:01:15):
Because it's any flour that's onthe shelf that's really good.
Flour put in turn like that is just cured.
Not not all good flour on the shelves like Finnish flour,
translates to good concentrates.You'd be surprised.
Yeah, there there's. What type of good flour doesn't
like translate over? What about a good nug Might not
translate? I mean, it's, there's, there's a

(01:01:35):
lot that goes into it, but I mean, you have to look at it, at
it like with a microscope prettymuch to see what to see those
trichomes and to see like the heads of the leaves and to see.
So you can tell down to that level.
You can, yeah. I mean, but you, I mean, there's
so much knowledge now that you, you could just know which strain
is going to run well for concentrates, of course, right,

(01:01:56):
Because people have that you're not the first to do it.
It's been done thousands of. Times you're following a whole
line of people. Pretty much, right.
But I mean, there are some strains that you don't know and
you're like, oh shit, that didn't, that didn't.
What was the biggest surprise ofa strain so far that just you
thought you'd get a really largeyield from?
And it just kind of. That ever that we thought we got
a really high yield. You'd thought it would press

(01:02:16):
well from the bud and it just. I don't, I mean, I don't want to
say strains because it'll call out people, companies we don't
grow. So, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to call anybody
out, but that doesn't mean that their flower's bad.
It just means that, hey, that strain.
Didn't press as well. Yeah, I mean, or that's that's
the issue with rosin though, right?
Like Super Lemon Haze for instance.

(01:02:38):
I would love to have to have theguys in the lab press that for
rosin. It just doesn't yield well.
So that's the issue, right? Like, yeah, there's some fire
strains that are great for BHO but won't yield well for rosin.
And as a company, we still have to like be sustainable.

(01:02:59):
And that's that's the thing thatsucks about it, right?
Like, yeah, I mean, you could press it yourself and it'll be
super fire. But on a scale where we have to
sell it, we have testing costs, we have employees to pay, we
have the packaging. All of this stuff plays into it
and out. All your overhead, your burden
cost, it's insanely expensive. Right.
And then and then we're not growers, so we still have to pay
for the flower as well, right. So yeah, that's the issue.

(01:03:23):
Some strains that's why you don't see a lot of like rosin
strain like you'll see more BHO strains out there than rosin
strains variety wise just cause.Yeah, the cost most rosin is way
more to actually purchase and tolike.
The cost to manufacture and get it to that in the 1st place is
way more than any other distal form.

(01:03:46):
Yeah. So what what concentrates on
that? And this is something I wanted
to ask you going to depth just from your experience in there.
There's so many different types of of different concentrates and
we get so many different types of new listeners on here.
Yeah, that may be graduating into that one.
So we had a super lemon G diamonds.

(01:04:07):
Super Lemon. Hayes Diamonds.
Super Lemon. Yeah, Hayes Diamonds.
So what your question is? Like what?
What What's the like? Some of them will.
You were making a statement earlier and I'm just confirming
that I heard this right. So depending on what comes out
of it can be able to produce what type of product, correct?
Because you've got diamonds, you've got sauce, you've got

(01:04:31):
butter, you've got so many different types of concentrate
forms, right? Well.
So what's the question exactly? Like how do we get it to that
form? Yeah.
Is there, are there certain strains not I'm not calling out
strains, but are there certain strains that are better in a
diamond form you as opposed to something else?
I don't know, not necessarily right.
I mean it's all user preference,I think, right, because we can

(01:04:51):
make that we can make we have. So we have super Lemon Haze
batter as well. I should have brought you that
too, just to kind of compare it,Yeah.
This is awesome. Right.
It's super clean. So yeah, we could have the
diamonds of that. We could have the batter of that
as far as other forms like shatter or crumble.
Yeah. That's usually like a lower end

(01:05:13):
flower product. Yeah, OK, right.
So meaning a lot of it's post like meaning like the way we get
certain concentrates is like a post process of chopping it up
or spinning it or doing something to make that
consistency happen. So some strains will just
crumble up, right? Especially a lot of like dry

(01:05:33):
cured strains, which is easier for crumble and for new patients
who are or new users who haven'tused concentrates, try some
crumble. You know, it's super easy, you
know, like to to handle and batter is takes a little more
tech, a little more finesse to kind of you know, know.
Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, 'cause you can make a mess.

(01:05:55):
It's such messy stuff. I did one with this Doctor
Dabber had said it. So I got to bring it on the
show. We got to review it too.
But it's this one. And, and you put it in there and
it just isn't, it's, it's kind of strange 'cause it'll go like
at first you have to warm it in like a shoe because it doesn't,
it doesn't work the best right out the box.

(01:06:16):
Oh the device. Itself, the device itself.
So I put in this and I, I, the, the a booger, right?
I put a booger into, into my banger and it was too cold, but
it buzzed. It was ready and I went to hit
it and it and now it's permanently stuck inside this
glass for this doctor Deborah, Ithink it's the evo boost and

(01:06:40):
soak it in. Oh did that for three days.
Well. What I was referring to like the
mess like with the dab tool right?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, because it's so much easier
because you're you can just dropit in.
Hot knife. Yeah, so we've tried the hot
knife. It was OK.
Really. Which high knife did you use?
Because. Doctor Dabber's. 1 So it's just

(01:07:01):
they're very flimsy on me. They're like, so the very, the
very end of it snapped already and I, yeah, I was cleaning it
with, I had a paper towel with 99% ISO on it and I was just
going like that lightly on it and it snapped and I was like,
I'm not pulling touching. And it was pretty wet like it

(01:07:22):
wasn't sticking. And I just felt like that was
very. Have you heard of ooze?
Yeah, I I have one of their hot knives.
Really the cheapest thing ever. This thing has lasted me two
years. It's solid and it acts.
I could I could twist off the top and then put a a cartridge.
Oh, it's like a 510 thread attachment.
Yes that's it with a hot knife and it's super solid I'm like

(01:07:43):
this thing is what I I've not had an issue and it's the
cheapest thing you could buy we'll.
Find the link and it'll be in the show notes.
Yeah. Who's this?
Surprise me, man, I don't know. I like that's my first little
uncle dab rig was a ooze like the glass attachment for your
510. Remember those like $5 thing?
Isn't that funny, dude? Like some of the, Because we've

(01:08:04):
gone through a slew of different, like really cheap
products and they're just reallystraight or products that try to
seem like they're going to be sophisticated, but they just end
up being really cheap. Well, that ooze doesn't try to
they're. No, they're just like, hey.
This is what it is. This is.
The Harbor Freight of of stuff for for cannabis and it works
really. Well, and it can, yeah.
I mean, it's, it's just, it's like anything, man.

(01:08:26):
You take care of it, it's going to.
Treat. It that's what that bomb cycloud
for me. I just love the hits off of that
one. It just, and the little it's got
a little fidget spinner on it, so I'm just like spinning it,
but it completely such oh dude, it's and it's ugly ass mustard
yellow. And I'm just like, but I love
this thing. It's it's such a good.

(01:08:47):
It's so easy to clean. Yeah, I mean, it's like one of
the best. And then they changed a bunch of
stuff and it's not like really super expensive either.
No, it was like 200 bucks for the rig.
No, thanks for clarifying that on on different types 'cause I I
I have never tried shatter. You know Shatter Shadow is like.
Old school it is old school. You know, I mean, this is crazy

(01:09:08):
too 'cause people have. You seen it anywhere recently?
I haven't but people at are asking me all the time.
But still why? I don't know, because not great.
Because it's cheap. Yes, right.
That's that's the thing. And it's like, well.
You can get a butter or a batterfor like almost the same as you
could get one of the shatters back in the day.
We're not making shatter. Yeah, exactly.

(01:09:28):
So nobody makes that anymore. I mean I I.
Homemade. Probably.
Yeah. Why maybe like legacy market,
but maybe? People just used to use it, but
they just stay with it. I remember when shatter first
came out, though, obviously it was like, yeah, we're gonna get
super high right now. Like just do things with the
shatter. You roll it in in joints.
This is other states, not Utah, obviously.
Yeah, I know. Shattering like any joints.

(01:09:51):
I rolled that in all my joints in Utah and took them out.
No. Well.
You could say that. Yeah, I know I can't.
No, no, no. In a different, in a different
state that was OK with this. But yeah, you could put it in in
your joints or your blunts or whatever.
But yeah, yeah. Fantastic.
I've done that a few times. With butter I like.

(01:10:13):
Infused. Joints and not the same I.
Gotta do a rosin yeah to make a hash hole.
That would be fantastic. Oh.
I burns better too. Not so greasy.
It gets kind of greasy, but I mean, yeah.
I mean, it's you don't want to they.
Destroy it better. Well I've had them before where
it just like wrapped around the.Outside, yeah, that's, that's
that's a mess. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.

(01:10:35):
I mean, it looks like it looks like I'm going to eat like a
mini little those like cones. Yeah, that they said.
That's what it looks like to me and it.
Looks like a food product. Yeah, it totally.
Looks like a food product and you're like.
Yeah, I love. I actually put some wax into
joints on my birthday weekend. Yeah, you smoked 30.
No, not July 13th. 12/15. Yeah.

(01:10:56):
So happy belated. Thank you, Sir.
Yeah, it was 10 joints, but theywere two grams so and then two
of them had about 1/3 of a gram of concentrate in the joint as
well. It's.
A lot of smoking. It was a lot of smoking.
Yeah, that's too much for me. It wasn't just me, it was I
couldn't smoke. That many Not even on a weekend.
So you. Know I actually.

(01:11:18):
Yeah, that's still. A lot.
My wife. Came to me just yesterday and
she asked if I could kind of calm down on the smoking.
And I'm like, am I really smoking that much?
And I, I try to defend myself and I, I just stopped him.
Like no, no, no, it's OK. Because my son, my autistic son,
he just keeps going to my wife. He goes, that's disgusting.
He's out there smoking all the time.

(01:11:39):
Where do you where do you go outside?
I just go in my garage at the back door.
Lock the garage so he can't. Go that.
No, it's it's I come in and theysmell it on me and then I'm just
like you guys. You see, that's the thing.
I I think I probably smell like it most of the time and I don't
even know. Oh.
No, I I would never. I, I wouldn't know.
I come in my way. I'm, I, I don't smell anything.

(01:12:00):
And I know she's like, whoa, that's a strong strain.
I'm like, it is, I don't smell it.
And then she's like, yeah, I cansmell it.
And that's what I love about concentrates is that that smell
can be there, but it's still like it's the closest defensive.
Needs to. Yeah, it does.
Well, this is nice like and that's why I say like you could
tell the difference of the quality where how antsy I'll

(01:12:24):
feel if I'm on a lower quality dab, I get a little antsy.
Do you really? Oh yeah, I get a little tight, I
get or slight bright feels. Have like tight yeah in your
chest and stuff. It just depends on the turn when
you have. Really good quality, yeah, like.
Man, they take pride. Those guys in the in the lab,
man, they're, we got a real solid crew.

(01:12:46):
It's really nice knowing that like the people or that who are
doing it know what they're doing, right.
Some like real Moxie Ogs in the house right now.
That's cool. From our GM to our hash maker to
our distillation tech. Like these guys have been with
Moxie forever and all from like the OG crew pretty much from

(01:13:07):
Cali. So yeah.
So it's like, you know, it's, it's almost like a privilege to
be like around these guys. Yeah, 'cause you know, I won't,
you know, they're Ogs. They're Ogs and I have a lot of
respect for them. And it's like I look up to, I
looked up to them when I was packaging.
Well, there's so much knowledge and experience in that you just,
you know. Well, it's good because you can
trust their their word on a lot of things because you've been

(01:13:29):
able to see the process and the quality of products that
continuously come out. Yeah, but the amount of care
that they have and the quality of product, they don't care.
I mean you get these Ms. OS, they don't care as long as it's
selling. Well, I think they do care, but
on on a local level, right. But on a corporate level, it's
hard to have that unity when youhave different laws in different

(01:13:50):
States and you operate in 12 different states.
And then you, it's yeah, you. Can't rent it like a regular
franchise. I can't imagine the headache.
Oh yeah, organization like and I've seen it, you know, and I
but on the local level, like, you know, like some of those
guys really do give a shit, but it's hard to like I said, you
have to get a hold of ACEO who's.

(01:14:11):
Running that. Well, no, but you make a good
point because it's that you don't realize how many.
It's not like opening up McDonald's, right?
A McDonald's in California is going to be the same as it's
going to be in Orem, UT is the same it's going to be in.
Chicago Rec Because there's it'sthe same.
There's no laws. They don't have to.
They could source their beef from whatever freaking island

(01:14:32):
they're sourcing their beef from.
You heard about that? Like, like there's a McDonald's
island or something? No.
What? Like conspiracy they they look
that up later I'm. Going to get into that shit.
See you. Guys hear about McDonald's
Island. McDonald's island kind of sounds
like the island where they just have people there could.
Be making this up though I don'tknow like if I'm really if I see
this or I thought about super. Lemon Haze is really got me now

(01:14:54):
dude. Is this a I thought or a real
thing? I like Donalds Island.
Look it up, guys, because that'sgoing to be fun, right?
They get the beat Plant, processing plant, they're all
score Scarlett Johansson clones that run it.
I was like, they're all just what the plants and they're
grown and on. It is like a weird cow.
Yeah, yeah, they have pods they sleep in.

(01:15:15):
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, so so, yeah.
Where, where were we going? No.
Franchising and the Ms. OS are not the same.
It's the same thing with like, Imean even even cure Leaf, like
you go into one, it may look thesame, but you have different
politics in every single state and that's what runs it.
Those guys have the hardest man.Like companies like that is what

(01:15:37):
I'm talking about. Like I don't, I'm not talking
negative about them at all, but like no.
It's so, I mean, because we talkshit on them all the time.
So this is a good actual good. Viewpoint, but I like I, I won't
talk shit about them because it's different like because I
work with them right So, so, so much, but I've had to work with
them in other States and I, I know what it takes as far as

(01:16:00):
just compliance alone having the.
In one state. And then having the to navigate
to do it in multiple States and I have it combined and it's
like, yeah, I mean, it's tough. It's a lot of moving parts.
So many movies. Trying to navigate all at the
same time. So many people going in and out
of different positions, moving up in positions, leaving
positions. Yeah, it's a huge attrition

(01:16:20):
rate. Right.
And then having to like start relationships up with new people
constantly, right? And just like.
That's hard, especially in cannabis.
Yes. Like business normally it can be
hard to like take over a new account or something.
They're just like. Oh, I want my old.
Person, they're dead. They don't fucking work here
anymore. Well.
You never know what you're goingto get.
Yeah, the next guy, right? Like, oh, shit like this, you

(01:16:43):
know, I mean, but for me, that'skind of that's that challenge
that we were talking about. Because if it keeps going the
same, same same, you kind of getyou need some change.
Yeah, there has to be something exciting to keep because
monotony gets like tedious and you're like.
You have to have that mindset though, too.
You have to that, that type of mindset, not necessarily put

(01:17:05):
your mind into it to make sure it work, but you you have to
have like that kind of, I don't mind spinning a bunch of plates
type of person at the helm of that one.
I think that's what's really difficult to be the CEO of one
of those MSO companies because you're trying to placate to
completely different markets in every single state.
And yet everybody wants a consistency.

(01:17:27):
All the customers want consistency.
Well, that's your lawmakers. That's who's creating the
consistency. That sucks though, because if
you think about that, we always talk about wanting to find brand
consistency to have that name oflike, who do you trust that you
can go to in every state or go, oh, here, here's where I want to
go to. Well, they, they don't really
have that because every state has different politics,

(01:17:50):
different like all of this stuff.
And then what if like where has it grown all of this, like
everything that goes into that and you're like, fuck one
state's product to the next and the next and the next is we're
never going to be the same. We're not going to never, unless
you can ship. Well, it's the same thing.
As like state lines, we will never have the same consistency
of. Wow, what would that do?

(01:18:10):
That would change everything. Oh my gosh, then you could have
straight up. Well, hardcore consistency, it
would have to be federally legal, yes, right.
So we're talking a whole like that's.
Yeah, You'd see it on the shelves.
Marlboro, Newport, marijuana, you know, I mean, literally that
would be that, no? That's what that's what would
happen, and it's already happening. 100%.
It's happening in other States and people.

(01:18:31):
Don't Philip Morris is trying tobuy cannabis companies Who?
Crazy. Yeah, one of the oldest.
Big tobacco ones coming in. Some there's some alcohol
companies that are trying to do that.
In other states too. With drinkables or with actual
like. Flour.
Yeah. What the?
Yeah, it's major things, Yeah. No conspiracy shit, Like no.
That's real. It's.

(01:18:52):
Happening. We were just, well, we've been
waiting. For it, yeah, because it's it's
been that, I mean. It was either let them you know
why, right, Let them because cannabis cannabis is is a lot of
it is culture. 100%. Right.
So there's always going to be room for small craft, right?
And small craft is always going to shit on mass produced shit.

(01:19:13):
100. Percent right, Like you can't
tell me that a local brewery here that makes some dope ass
IPA or lager or whatever. If you drink beer, it's going to
be way better than a Bud Light. Oh, hands down, right, every
time. Yes, so, but there's also, it's
like hot dog water. It's always going to be people
that want dusty products. Oh yeah, and that's fine.
They want their PBR. They want.
Bud Light and that's like and that's fine, but.

(01:19:35):
It's a time and a place. I guess I mean if you.
Where's my wife beater? But that's cool though, because
I mean, there's people out therethat they're like, that's fine,
that's fine for me. That's that's my jam.
And that's cool. And that's super cool because
then that's what's great about cannabis.
And you're, you're exactly righton the culture part because you
graduate from products, you know, if you start out at

(01:19:57):
disties, you're going to go either flower concentrate or you
get super, super crafty and you going over there and do your own
edibles. It's so funny you just said
that. Start with disti then go to
flower bro. Since when has that ever been a
thing? It's always been now we're first
and then 100% of disti pens we're like way down the line
like. I know, but you could assume.

(01:20:18):
That it's reversed because a lotof people, it's like the
convenience and the discretenessof a pen.
And I get it and I and it's cool.
I mean I I but. It's not the same.
No, it's not the same. But you know what?
It does serve a purpose because when you're smoking a disti pen,
it's quick. You're not as high as as, you
know, like. Yeah, you plateau.

(01:20:40):
And then and then it's done, andquicker than you were.
If you smoke a joint, I mean, you're going to be out for a
while, like. So I get it.
Yeah. And it serves a purpose. 100% I
I agree. I mean, that's what Brandon and
I, if we're out and about, I mean, I'm not going to, I mean,
I am that kind of guy. I would pull up my vaporizer.
I know you would too. It'd be just whatever, right?
But we do realize that there's just places it's just more

(01:21:03):
convenient to have that disti. So let me ask you guys a
question. Talking about vape pens.
Yeah, yeah, DMT vape. I haven't tried it.
Have you tried it? Yeah, I have not.
Tell me. I.
Is it? Is it like a?
Is it real? 100% it's.
Really. Yeah.
Like you, You were out for like 10 minutes in another world.

(01:21:23):
See. No.
No no. So DMT pen typically you can't
get to, at least as far as I know.
Maybe they can make it stronger but you can't experience the
same as if you were to do like afull DMT hit from like in a bowl
on top of flour or something. Well, so that's the thing too.
Yes. So I didn't know that one.
Yeah, so. I've heard that one is a really

(01:21:43):
great way to be. Able to the pen, it's still
about 10 minutes, but I did fivehits, held it in as long as I
could let it out. Did that, and by about the fifth
hit I was laying down and I feltlike everything, me, the couch,
the pillows, the wall, the room,like everything was this Plaid

(01:22:05):
texture. It was very unique, like
everything looked kind of the same.
I felt like I was the same as everything.
And Jesse had one of those, but he'd never tried it.
Just sitting there And I was like, and I was thinking about
it as I'm in this experience of like, oh, I've got to let Jesse
know. And then instantly in that
experience, I was like, he already knows.

(01:22:25):
And it was just like this, really.
And then I, I kind of came back,became separate from the couch,
from everything else. The Plaid kind of went away and
it was just back to reality, butit was only very short, calm,
peaceful, like pleasant 10:00-ish minutes.
Interesting. Yeah.

(01:22:46):
Yeah, the the one with flower there was a guy I followed.
Yeah, they said that's. I mean you take like 3 big bong
rips and. He was in it.
Oh yeah, he's like, and he just because.
Yeah. Seeing the like the elves and
shit. That's what got me curious about
it, was that the consistency of the experience is almost 100%

(01:23:07):
from like 1% to the next to the next.
That they all go through a tunnel of light to a another
dimension, another place where there's all beings of sorts.
Often times they're beings that know them, that they know of
sorts, like they feel familiar to them and all of this stuff
that it's like, I've been very curious when I hear that, I'm
like, everyone goes to this samespot, everyone.

(01:23:29):
Has, yeah, like a dimensional jump.
I kind of see psychedelics do that.
Yeah. And so I, that was what gave me
a curiosity. And so I watched other people's
experiences and it was like, OK,yeah, it's 1015 minutes.
You come back down. And I was like, makes me very
curious, but sometimes people just get stuck in that light or
the tunnel. But not you.
I didn't get through. Yeah.

(01:23:49):
Yeah. So you know, I don't.
Think it's just because of the delivery method too, because it
wasn't as I mean you couldn't really I.
Think it was more diluted. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Well, I mean, you'd have to takequite a bit more.
Because I've heard stories, people living like whole life in
like a 10 minute period, yeah, just like waking up.
And they're like, oh fuck, I miss my my wife that I don't
have. Have you ever done an ayahuasca?

(01:24:10):
No, I I won't. I haven't, but there was a guy,
he went down. I think it's different than
mushrooms. It is.
It's the same as DMT basically. It's just an extended trip of
DMT. Where DMT is 1015 minutes,
Ayahuasca is hours and hours andhours.
Yeah. Well, if you take multiple
trips. Right.

(01:24:31):
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'm. Well, I mean, it's a whole
process. You have to prep your body and.
You tripping four days where youdo it multiple.
Days. I'm not gonna do that.
And I'm like. I'm not, I can't.
I like dude, I'm it doesn't. I don't have much time off from
brain work and TO. Go.
Trip. I'm not gonna.
Like dedicate that much? Time and shit and puke and while
there's some freaking shaman andCosta Rica is like whatever,

(01:24:53):
Peru just yeah, that doesn't sound like a nice experience to
me. I don't know like.
But running from shit that much?I'm not either, but there are
there's people I know that swearby it, that it cured their
disease, whatever they had it cured whatever that they went
through. And, and, but also people have
told me they've seen hell when they were on it and it's

(01:25:13):
horrible experiences. And I'm like, I, I'm good.
That's like our friend Bennett. Bennett's had a lot of really
intense mush experiences and I've never had that.
I've had nothing but peaceful and love.
Heroic. Like, I did like shit on
mushrooms. I won't do mushrooms again.
I can't. I can't again.
I don't know. There's something like, I guess
in my point of my life right now, it's just, yeah.

(01:25:36):
But I do remember in Vegas one time, I took a bunch of
mushrooms. I don't know how much very
heroic dose and I was just laying in my bed freaking out,
You know, like when you're hurting, you're like, oh, you're
just I'm in bed and then all of a sudden I'm looking at myself
laying down, but I'm like above my and I'm like, wait, what?
I'm like, I thought I died. I was like, oh, I'm dead.

(01:25:58):
I'm like, but it's not that bad.Like I wasn't like in any pain
or anything. And then one second I'm back in
my body, I'm like, what the fuckwas that?
I was tripping, dude. I don't.
Know body. I've never experienced that with
psilocybin at. All wild and I don't know if I
was, maybe I fell asleep for a quick SEC because you know, like
you close your eyes and you see.Like there's this where?
Yeah, in and out of. Sleep.

(01:26:19):
Who knows, I maybe it probably wasn't real, to be honest.
I was that. Still sounds intense.
I've never experienced anything like that.
I I took a good trip with friends before couple of we
moved out to Oregon. We went out to a buddy's cabin
out on like this mountainside and we watched the sunset next
to a fire and it literally looked like it was a painting

(01:26:41):
and it looked like it was being a painting.
Kind of like a pastelish color. Yeah, it was just like so
beautiful and stuff and it was like the coolest experience, but
it wasn't hero go. So it was like 3.5g.
That's still a lot. Though it is, it is a it is a
lot, yeah. But to me, I think a heroic is
567. Grams.
Oh mine was like 7 plus and that.

(01:27:02):
Is yeah, 100% a heroic dose. Like I think I did 6 something
was my highest as it was. Nope.
That was to process like divorceand all this other stuff that I
was like, OK, but I didn't pick that dose.
My friend did it and he was like, do you trust me?
I was like, yeah. And he dosed me out and he was
like, I'll tell you the dose tomorrow.
And I was like, OK, And I took it because he he knew what I was

(01:27:24):
going through and stuff. And he was like, you need to
work through this shit and. I was like, kind of did I help
you? It did good.
I came out on the other side andit was.
That's the thing too, like a lotof these psychedelics, I I like
we know somebody mutual person, and I mean that guy, every time
he can get down to Costa Rica, he's doing it.
He's just like, what the fuck, dude?
Like, like it's like somebody getting all excited because they

(01:27:48):
just got leukemia and they're getting over there for some
chemotherapy. Like hell yeah, dude, I do this
every year. Yeah, always getting it.
And you're just like, whoa, man,like what are you running from?
Like 5 year MEODMT I've heard isinsanely like you want to hear
about a crazy trip, listen to the Shawn Ryan podcast, Shawn
Ryan Show and he talks about hisand he gave up everything after

(01:28:11):
that. He was like boozing hard pills.
He did that one time and he was like and he was gone for like a
minute. But he said it was the, IT was
that everything stopped, all time stopped.
And he was, his consciousness was still moving forward very
fast. And his whole life, just like

(01:28:31):
that, everything was being, he'slike, you die, you completely
die. And then he realized, like what
he was talking about, you're part of everything.
You just got to, you got to be aspecial person to, to do that.
Yeah, right. You got to be really like
mentally something. Yeah.
You got to be. You got to be.
Set for that and physically too,though, because that should have

(01:28:54):
you know, it'll fuck with you when I mushy's hurt if I take a
lot of like my stomach's going to hurt I'm.
Lemon juice. Lemon tech Lemon tech.
Well, even just taking a little bit of lemon juice because.
Oh, while you're like, if you'rejust eating caps or something,
yeah, then take lemon. Because I have a friend, I guess
every time she would take any sort of psilocybin, she would
get sick. She would throw up, her stomach

(01:29:16):
would hurt, she would feel supernauseous.
And somewhere I had heard it waseither a buddy or someone else.
And they're like, oh, just take a little bit of lemon juice if
you're using that and it'll justkind of help with the nausea.
So I told them that and she tried it and her and Casey call
me like in the middle of their experience and they're like
Facetiming. They're like, oh, I love you,
man. This is so great.

(01:29:38):
She's like, I don't feel sick. This is like the best
experience. Like Oh well, I'm glad it
worked, but I've not really. Yeah, we haven't tried Lemon
Tec. I've got this.
Our grandpa died and they were giving out all of.
His trinkets. Yeah, he has tons of stuff
around. The world.
And he had this one handmade teapot.

(01:29:58):
So I yank that and I've got thatone set up for us to do some
lemon teching with that. Cause I've heard that's like,
it's a fast onset. Less of the, I know exactly what
you're talking about. There's this weird and easiness
inside of me where it's almost like my, my organs are
vibrating. That's what it feels like, that
I'm like, I don't like this feel.

(01:30:20):
Yeah, I don't like it either. But I love the IT when it passes
an hour and a half and then I'm like, OK, I'm feeling pretty
good. I'm feeling like I can kind of
like. After it gets diced at the first
bed. It's it's like kind of like
this, like right at the peak of using this, it like my brain was
just at an elevated state. I just felt good.

(01:30:43):
Yeah. This has been such a pleasant
experience I've. Dude this has been amazing.
Thanks for bringing. This yeah, this entire
conversation was brought to you by Live Resin Diamond Super
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