February 21, 2025 • 14 mins
Have you ever wondered what we do with money seized from criminal investigations?
Join us as we reveal some of the cutting-edge innovations coming to the Cape Coral Police Department, funded entirely by forfeiture money. Hosts Lisa Greenberg and Officer Mercedes Simonds chat with Chief Anthony Sizemore about how new high water vehicles and advanced AI-powered forensic accounting software are changing the game. These strategic investments, made through forfeiture money, promise to enhance emergency responses during flooding and revolutionize financial crime investigations, all while keeping the department's budget intact. We talk about how these advancements are set to better protect and serve our community.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back to another episode of the Cape Cop
cast Chiefs Chat edition.
I'm Lisa Greenberg.
I'm one of your hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Officer Mercedes Simons.
Together we make up the PublicAffairs Office.
Obviously we have Chief againhere today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Good morning ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome back, it's good to see you.
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So I can actually see you How's it going, how's your
week been Good?
Good Been busy, like you guystoo.
Yeah, absolutely it has beenbusy.
A couple of things we did wantto talk about, though.
We are seeing some successes,some wins with our department in
different types of technologythat we're getting to better our
work here, and a lot of that iscoming from forfeiture money,
(00:39):
so we thought it'd be a goodopportunity to kind of let the
public know what is that and howwe're using it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Sure.
Well, two nights ago, wednesdaynight, at the city council
meeting, I had an item on theagenda where I asked to be able
to use some forfeiture money tobuy just what you said equipment
for the agency to make usbetter and it was approved
(01:06):
better and it was approved.
And we are.
We talked about it on anearlier podcast, but we are
acquiring four high watervehicles to be able to respond
during emergency response umwith up to three feet of water,
so that replicates um stormsurge that we had on burnstall
road in the northwest precinctor uh south of cape core parkway
in the southeast.
We shut down emergency serviceswhen winds are sustained at a
(01:27):
certain threshold.
However, when winds die down orit's not a wind event, it's
just a rising water event peoplestill have an expectation that
we're going to be able torespond to them and we partner
with the fire department to dothat.
But their mission is differentthan our mission.
They do more extraction andrescue and they can provide us a
ride to get in there.
But there are certaincircumstances that are police
(01:48):
only and we need to go in therebecause there's a life safety
battery situation or hostagesituation.
You never know what might comeand that's police all day.
So we have to be able torespond.
We can't wait for otheragencies to help us.
We need to be equipped andready to go.
So we identified a fundingsource and that funding source
(02:10):
is forfeiture money.
And what forfeiture money is iswhen we work a criminal case
and there's money or assetsattached in the commission of
that crime, we are entitled toseize either the cash or the
equipment or cars or merchandiseand we auction it and get the
proceeds.
(02:30):
And the proceeds go into anaccount called the Law
Enforcement Trust Fund, l-e-t-f,and statutorily you are allowed
to use that money for equipment, for anything to help in a
protracted, long investigation,drug prevention and youth
programs.
That's on the state side.
So if it's a state case and youhave asset forfeiture or
(02:53):
seizure, then it falls under thelaws of state Federal
forfeiture.
On a federal case there's alittle bit more leeway, but we
utilize the same parameters.
So if we need equipment andit's not in the budget, or if we
do budget it, that's a longprocess that can take upwards of
a year.
So if we need something now, anearly case would be if we didn't
(03:18):
already have it baked in, likeone of the software platforms
I'm going to talk about.
It wouldn't be until at leastnext October before we would get
it, and we need it now.
So the second piece ofequipment that we got Wednesday
night was a forensics accountingprogram and basically what it
is is an AI version of aforensic accountant firm.
(03:41):
So our financial crimes unit,which is a growing unit and a
growing segment of criminalactivity these days, is very
subpoena driven.
So if you have information ontransactions between banks or
between people and banks, orpeople and people, you do a
subpoena and you get a lot ofdocuments.
One subpoena could net upwardsof 300 documents.
(04:04):
We have hundreds of financialcrimes cases.
Our detectives that work inthat section of our detective
bureau are working them nonstop.
So in one particular case, onesubpoena could generate hundreds
of documents that you have topour through and you need some
expertise in that, and we'veactually explored contracting
(04:24):
out a forensic accountant.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Very expensive to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There are some software options available now,
one of which we got the fundingto purchase through federal
forfeiture, and what this isgoing to do is allow us to take
all of those documents, you scanthem in and, through AI,
artificial intelligence, it willact as a forensic accountant
and break down everything that ahuman could do in a long period
(04:53):
of time.
So the AI will process the dataand actually do a storyboard of
all of that information and itwill link participants.
It'll track money, it'll doexactly what a firm of forensic
accountants will do in veryrapid time, and what it does is
it increases the efficiency andthe speed of our unit that can
(05:16):
work more cases.
So if you picture a case thatwas recently in the news where a
local contractor had manyvictims and each one of those
victims had a bank informationand one subpoena could be
hundreds of pages, multiply thattimes several within one case
and then dozens of cases likethat, when you're a victim
(05:37):
waiting for information, thatthat speed is is so valuable and
we were able to do that and wepurchased that software and and
those high water vehiclesthrough criminal forfeiture
seizures.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think a lot of the public doesn't realize.
They think we just take thatmoney and it goes in someone's
pocket or something.
You know the naysayers mightthink that but it's really put
to good use to help better serveour community.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Right.
You cannot use it to supplementa failure in your own budgeting
.
You cannot use it for salaries.
You can't use it for frivolouspurchases.
What you use it for is exactlywhat we use it for, which is to
help with long-terminvestigations, for equipment to
facilitate betterinvestigations, and we also use
(06:22):
it for youth programs, toenhance our explorer post, our
police athletic league.
We purchase equipment for ourschool resource officer program
to make sure that they're safeand the kids are safe.
So it's really a big win andit's not something that we
actively seek out.
We don't generate cases to doasset forfeiture.
(06:43):
We do cases to recover propertyfor victims, to put the bad guy
in jail, and if they happen toutilize vehicles or cash during
the commission of those crimes,then the laws are set up that
we're able to do that.
We take advantage of it and weabsolutely, one for one, put it
right back into the business toenhance our end product.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And do we have a timeline when it comes to those
high water vehicles?
You know, I hate to say it,hurricane season's almost here.
I'm going to knock.
What a million times, but youknow it comes quick, june comes
quick, so I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We should be in business before the first
tropical raindrops.
Good, good, good, that's theplan.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
May wait is hurricane season May or June.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
June 1st.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
June 1st.
Okay, I was right.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I was right, but May the reason you say, may is we
start beating the drum in May,that this is what you need to be
prepared for, because that's anice little dovetail that.
(07:54):
We have so 60 people in ourorganization who have never gone
through a tropical system as amember of the police department.
You might've gone through itand you might've lived here, but
you haven't gone through it.
Here, where there is noevacuation, there is no
expectation that you can avoidit, you're you're part of the
front line.
So absolutely that's part ofour resiliency as a city and, in
particular, at the policedepartment is to have the
(08:15):
equipment and be ready torespond when needed.
And the clock is ticking onhurricane season 2025.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Hopefully we don't need the vehicles this season.
That's what I'm going to hopefor.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I hope there's show and tell at events.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We had a rough enough year last year that I don't
really feel like we need to do awhole repeat of of that whole
season.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Be prepared for anything and you'll be ready,
exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, we always like to end our episode on a positive
note, and we did have asituation this past week where
we had a tactical de-escalationthat ended in a positive result.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The seeds of training are starting to bear fruit
right and we've really workedhard to instill a culture of
de-escalation and valuing humanlife.
And unfortunately there are alot of mental illness calls.
You know, we're still the frontlines for for mental health
crisis in America, andparticularly here in Cape Coral.
So a few of our officersresponded to someone in crisis
(09:14):
that was armed with a knife.
There was another family memberin the home.
We arrived, they safelyextracted the non-involved
family member and then began toengage with the individual that
was armed with a knife, clearlyexhibiting signs of a mental
illness distress, and I'm proudto say that we were able to
(09:34):
successfully deescalate thesituation.
And it's something that reallydoesn't make the papers, it
doesn't make the legacy media.
I understand it.
Really, what cells would be ifit was a tragic ending?
But fortunately our trainingcame through and we were able to
do that successfully and welike to celebrate those.
(09:55):
Those are wins Somebody's aliveto to seek treatment, get
better and live to fight anotherday.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, we have so many tools on our tool belt,
literally, but then the besttool that we have is
communication.
So having effectivecommunicators on the job is so
important because, looking atthe video footage from it
obviously we have body camfootage the officers were very
calm.
They explained exactly whatthey needed to happen, what
would happen if he didn't putdown the knife.
(10:24):
And it wasn't kind of gettingstuck in like yelling the same
commands over and over and overagain.
That don't make sense.
Kind of getting stuck in likeyelling the same commands over
and over and over again.
That don't make sense.
It was really getting down,staying calm and effectively
communicating what you need tohave a successful outcome, and
that's what we're going for.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
On that point.
If you don't have training,you're going to do what you
think should be done and say itmore, say it louder, say it more
stern, and that really doesn'twork when you have somebody
experiencing a mental healthcrisis.
And where do you learn that?
You learn that in training.
We have CIT, or crisisintervention training, and a
shameless plug for NAMI.
(11:00):
Cit is run through NAMI, theNational Alliance of Mental
Illness, of which I am a boardmember, and this situation right
here is exactly why I'm proudto be a part of NAMI, because we
beat the drum to make sure thatCIT is still trained and our
officers have the training forthese types of experiences.
(11:21):
So you don't do what you thinkyou should do, you fall back to
what you know you should do, andthe successes far outweigh the
negative outcomes.
And NAMI's biggest fundraiser,the NAMI Walk, is coming up in
March.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
March 8th, and I think it's important for people
to realize too.
If we don't de-escalate thesesituations, the endings can be
absolutely tragic.
It can be a situation where anofficer is injured or, worse, it
could be a situation where theperson in crisis uses that
weapon on themselves and takestheir own life.
So that's why it's so importantto have that crisis
(11:56):
intervention training to be ableto communicate with the person,
so that it doesn't end up inthat type of situation.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And it's important to talk about these cases and talk
about these wins and talk aboutCIT, because if you're a family
member that's living withsomeone that has a mental
illness, that has the propensityto get violent or have these
types of episodes, I can't thinkof a more nightmare scenario
that you have no other optionbut to call 911 and need help
(12:21):
and then worry that the peoplethat you have called are going
to come make it worse or, godforbid, it's going to end and
you facilitated the death ofyour loved one in this crisis.
Forbid, it's going to end andyou facilitated the death of
your loved one in this crisis.
So what happens?
If people believe that theydon't call and then they live
with it or you know worse, theycan be hurt in their own home.
What we want people to do, bytalking about it in these
(12:42):
podcasts and in everyopportunity, is that we are
trained and our number one goalis a successful de-escalation
and peaceful resolution so thatyou, as the family member living
in that situation, can feelcomfortable and confident to
call us, to know that that helpis coming, not an agitator or
God forbid an executor.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Absolutely Anything else you want to add, Chief.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
No, I want everybody to have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Have a great weekend, thank, you so much again for
joining us, anything else?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Tomorrow, saturday, from 10 to noon or until
supplies last.
We actually have the Grill andChill at Four Freedoms Park.
If anybody would like to joinus, we'll have a bunch of police
officers out there.
We'll bring you know footballsand stuff like that to play with
.
So it's a free event If youwant to bring you and your kids
over we.
Welcome back to another episode of the Cape Cop
cast Chiefs Chat edition.
I'm Lisa Greenberg.
I'm one of your hosts.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Officer Mercedes Simons.
Together we make up the PublicAffairs Office.
Obviously we have Chief againhere today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Good morning ladies.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Welcome back, it's good to see you.
Good to see you.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
So I can actually see you How's it going, how's your
week been Good?
Good Been busy, like you guystoo.
Yeah, absolutely it has beenbusy.
A couple of things we did wantto talk about, though.
We are seeing some successes,some wins with our department in
different types of technologythat we're getting to better our
work here, and a lot of that iscoming from forfeiture money,
(00:39):
so we thought it'd be a goodopportunity to kind of let the
public know what is that and howwe're using it.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Sure.
Well, two nights ago, wednesdaynight, at the city council
meeting, I had an item on theagenda where I asked to be able
to use some forfeiture money tobuy just what you said equipment
for the agency to make usbetter and it was approved
(01:06):
better and it was approved.
And we are.
We talked about it on anearlier podcast, but we are
acquiring four high watervehicles to be able to respond
during emergency response umwith up to three feet of water,
so that replicates um stormsurge that we had on burnstall
road in the northwest precinctor uh south of cape core parkway
in the southeast.
We shut down emergency serviceswhen winds are sustained at a
(01:27):
certain threshold.
However, when winds die down orit's not a wind event, it's
just a rising water event peoplestill have an expectation that
we're going to be able torespond to them and we partner
with the fire department to dothat.
But their mission is differentthan our mission.
They do more extraction andrescue and they can provide us a
ride to get in there.
But there are certaincircumstances that are police
(01:48):
only and we need to go in therebecause there's a life safety
battery situation or hostagesituation.
You never know what might comeand that's police all day.
So we have to be able torespond.
We can't wait for otheragencies to help us.
We need to be equipped andready to go.
So we identified a fundingsource and that funding source
(02:10):
is forfeiture money.
And what forfeiture money is iswhen we work a criminal case
and there's money or assetsattached in the commission of
that crime, we are entitled toseize either the cash or the
equipment or cars or merchandiseand we auction it and get the
proceeds.
(02:30):
And the proceeds go into anaccount called the Law
Enforcement Trust Fund, l-e-t-f,and statutorily you are allowed
to use that money for equipment, for anything to help in a
protracted, long investigation,drug prevention and youth
programs.
That's on the state side.
So if it's a state case and youhave asset forfeiture or
(02:53):
seizure, then it falls under thelaws of state Federal
forfeiture.
On a federal case there's alittle bit more leeway, but we
utilize the same parameters.
So if we need equipment andit's not in the budget, or if we
do budget it, that's a longprocess that can take upwards of
a year.
So if we need something now, anearly case would be if we didn't
(03:18):
already have it baked in, likeone of the software platforms
I'm going to talk about.
It wouldn't be until at leastnext October before we would get
it, and we need it now.
So the second piece ofequipment that we got Wednesday
night was a forensics accountingprogram and basically what it
is is an AI version of aforensic accountant firm.
(03:41):
So our financial crimes unit,which is a growing unit and a
growing segment of criminalactivity these days, is very
subpoena driven.
So if you have information ontransactions between banks or
between people and banks, orpeople and people, you do a
subpoena and you get a lot ofdocuments.
One subpoena could net upwardsof 300 documents.
(04:04):
We have hundreds of financialcrimes cases.
Our detectives that work inthat section of our detective
bureau are working them nonstop.
So in one particular case, onesubpoena could generate hundreds
of documents that you have topour through and you need some
expertise in that, and we'veactually explored contracting
(04:24):
out a forensic accountant.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Very expensive to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There are some software options available now,
one of which we got the fundingto purchase through federal
forfeiture, and what this isgoing to do is allow us to take
all of those documents, you scanthem in and, through AI,
artificial intelligence, it willact as a forensic accountant
and break down everything that ahuman could do in a long period
(04:53):
of time.
So the AI will process the dataand actually do a storyboard of
all of that information and itwill link participants.
It'll track money, it'll doexactly what a firm of forensic
accountants will do in veryrapid time, and what it does is
it increases the efficiency andthe speed of our unit that can
(05:16):
work more cases.
So if you picture a case thatwas recently in the news where a
local contractor had manyvictims and each one of those
victims had a bank informationand one subpoena could be
hundreds of pages, multiply thattimes several within one case
and then dozens of cases likethat, when you're a victim
(05:37):
waiting for information, thatthat speed is is so valuable and
we were able to do that and wepurchased that software and and
those high water vehiclesthrough criminal forfeiture
seizures.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think a lot of the public doesn't realize.
They think we just take thatmoney and it goes in someone's
pocket or something.
You know the naysayers mightthink that but it's really put
to good use to help better serveour community.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Right.
You cannot use it to supplementa failure in your own budgeting
.
You cannot use it for salaries.
You can't use it for frivolouspurchases.
What you use it for is exactlywhat we use it for, which is to
help with long-terminvestigations, for equipment to
facilitate betterinvestigations, and we also use
(06:22):
it for youth programs, toenhance our explorer post, our
police athletic league.
We purchase equipment for ourschool resource officer program
to make sure that they're safeand the kids are safe.
So it's really a big win andit's not something that we
actively seek out.
We don't generate cases to doasset forfeiture.
(06:43):
We do cases to recover propertyfor victims, to put the bad guy
in jail, and if they happen toutilize vehicles or cash during
the commission of those crimes,then the laws are set up that
we're able to do that.
We take advantage of it and weabsolutely, one for one, put it
right back into the business toenhance our end product.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And do we have a timeline when it comes to those
high water vehicles?
You know, I hate to say it,hurricane season's almost here.
I'm going to knock.
What a million times, but youknow it comes quick, june comes
quick, so I'm just curious.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We should be in business before the first
tropical raindrops.
Good, good, good, that's theplan.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
May wait is hurricane season May or June.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
June 1st.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
June 1st.
Okay, I was right.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I was right, but May the reason you say, may is we
start beating the drum in May,that this is what you need to be
prepared for, because that's anice little dovetail that.
(07:54):
We have so 60 people in ourorganization who have never gone
through a tropical system as amember of the police department.
You might've gone through itand you might've lived here, but
you haven't gone through it.
Here, where there is noevacuation, there is no
expectation that you can avoidit, you're you're part of the
front line.
So absolutely that's part ofour resiliency as a city and, in
particular, at the policedepartment is to have the
(08:15):
equipment and be ready torespond when needed.
And the clock is ticking onhurricane season 2025.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Hopefully we don't need the vehicles this season.
That's what I'm going to hopefor.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I hope there's show and tell at events.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
We had a rough enough year last year that I don't
really feel like we need to do awhole repeat of of that whole
season.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Be prepared for anything and you'll be ready,
exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Well, we always like to end our episode on a positive
note, and we did have asituation this past week where
we had a tactical de-escalationthat ended in a positive result.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
The seeds of training are starting to bear fruit
right and we've really workedhard to instill a culture of
de-escalation and valuing humanlife.
And unfortunately there are alot of mental illness calls.
You know, we're still the frontlines for for mental health
crisis in America, andparticularly here in Cape Coral.
So a few of our officersresponded to someone in crisis
(09:14):
that was armed with a knife.
There was another family memberin the home.
We arrived, they safelyextracted the non-involved
family member and then began toengage with the individual that
was armed with a knife, clearlyexhibiting signs of a mental
illness distress, and I'm proudto say that we were able to
(09:34):
successfully deescalate thesituation.
And it's something that reallydoesn't make the papers, it
doesn't make the legacy media.
I understand it.
Really, what cells would be ifit was a tragic ending?
But fortunately our trainingcame through and we were able to
do that successfully and welike to celebrate those.
(09:55):
Those are wins Somebody's aliveto to seek treatment, get
better and live to fight anotherday.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, we have so many tools on our tool belt,
literally, but then the besttool that we have is
communication.
So having effectivecommunicators on the job is so
important because, looking atthe video footage from it
obviously we have body camfootage the officers were very
calm.
They explained exactly whatthey needed to happen, what
would happen if he didn't putdown the knife.
(10:24):
And it wasn't kind of gettingstuck in like yelling the same
commands over and over and overagain.
That don't make sense.
Kind of getting stuck in likeyelling the same commands over
and over and over again.
That don't make sense.
It was really getting down,staying calm and effectively
communicating what you need tohave a successful outcome, and
that's what we're going for.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
On that point.
If you don't have training,you're going to do what you
think should be done and say itmore, say it louder, say it more
stern, and that really doesn'twork when you have somebody
experiencing a mental healthcrisis.
And where do you learn that?
You learn that in training.
We have CIT, or crisisintervention training, and a
shameless plug for NAMI.
(11:00):
Cit is run through NAMI, theNational Alliance of Mental
Illness, of which I am a boardmember, and this situation right
here is exactly why I'm proudto be a part of NAMI, because we
beat the drum to make sure thatCIT is still trained and our
officers have the training forthese types of experiences.
(11:21):
So you don't do what you thinkyou should do, you fall back to
what you know you should do, andthe successes far outweigh the
negative outcomes.
And NAMI's biggest fundraiser,the NAMI Walk, is coming up in
March.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
March 8th, and I think it's important for people
to realize too.
If we don't de-escalate thesesituations, the endings can be
absolutely tragic.
It can be a situation where anofficer is injured or, worse, it
could be a situation where theperson in crisis uses that
weapon on themselves and takestheir own life.
So that's why it's so importantto have that crisis
(11:56):
intervention training to be ableto communicate with the person,
so that it doesn't end up inthat type of situation.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And it's important to talk about these cases and talk
about these wins and talk aboutCIT, because if you're a family
member that's living withsomeone that has a mental
illness, that has the propensityto get violent or have these
types of episodes, I can't thinkof a more nightmare scenario
that you have no other optionbut to call 911 and need help
(12:21):
and then worry that the peoplethat you have called are going
to come make it worse or, godforbid, it's going to end and
you facilitated the death ofyour loved one in this crisis.
Forbid, it's going to end andyou facilitated the death of
your loved one in this crisis.
So what happens?
If people believe that theydon't call and then they live
with it or you know worse, theycan be hurt in their own home.
What we want people to do, bytalking about it in these
(12:42):
podcasts and in everyopportunity, is that we are
trained and our number one goalis a successful de-escalation
and peaceful resolution so thatyou, as the family member living
in that situation, can feelcomfortable and confident to
call us, to know that that helpis coming, not an agitator or
God forbid an executor.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Absolutely Anything else you want to add, Chief.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
No, I want everybody to have a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Have a great weekend, thank, you so much again for
joining us, anything else?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Tomorrow, saturday, from 10 to noon or until
supplies last.
We actually have the Grill andChill at Four Freedoms Park.
If anybody would like to joinus, we'll have a bunch of police
officers out there.
We'll bring you know footballsand stuff like that to play with
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