Is size necessary???

On this episode of Car Torque, Matty, Scotty, Rob and David discuss their latest updates. Matt gets crazy quotes to repair his Camry windscreen and the boys discuss car sizes and if they are necessary for what we need? The boys battle it out in the quiz at the end of the show!

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Welcome to Car Talk. It's Tuesday night.
It's me, Maddie J online with Mr. David Prince.
Mr Scotty Doe Johnson. How are you fellas?

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Doing good. Thank you mate.
Doing good. Thank you very much.
Good to see your lovely faces ifyou think a few more people are
still going to join us in in short time.
So we'll wait for them. But let's crack on.
How are you guys? Scotty Doe just had a second
round of parent teacher interviews.
I did. It's better than I thought.

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You know, I always get a little bit stressed before them because
you just always think the worst,but every single parent was just
fantastic. That's great.
Though they're just, yeah, very lovely to speak to.
Best case scenario. I think you're making me, you're
making me more jealous every time I hear you, Scotty, about
your school. So.

(01:31):
I mean have have a look at the careers page, there's a couple
ones up there that might float your boat if you want a tour
just yelling out. Yeah, I do want a tour actually,
so we'll we'll talk after the show a bit more, but updates
with you. Sorry, up the car updates.
What's happening? Last time you heard you washed.
You washed the blade, then it would, then it rained the next

(01:53):
day. Yeah, pretty spicy.
Haven't watched it since. Yeah.
It's just too, too upset, too upset.
Oh, it's fair enough. I started diving into the R31
deep hole of turbo wing it and things like that and seeing
what's out there and you know, originally the cheapest option

(02:14):
used to be to get the VL turbo conversion.
You know that people? Yeah, they.
Take Garrett Moss. Is it Garrett?
Yeah, it's a. Is it AT3T3 or T4T?
Pretty sure T3 or T3, yeah. That that cheese that takes me
back to AT3 Turbo. Bloody hell.
And yeah, and you know, you'd buy all that bits and pieces for

(02:38):
just dirt cheap, but now people are selling for like 7-8 grand
for the whole kit. And I'm like, oh, so what's
what's the option then? And so I threw it into the
because for some reason the R31 Skyline forum is gone.
Yeah, it doesn't exist. And that had so much great
information. So I just had to go to their

(03:01):
Facebook page and kind of just ask first.
I did a search. Go do that first.
Absolutely. Now on the.
Facebook. Page because.
It's what we talked. About a lot, yeah, that's right.
But my question was a little bitdifferent.
It was more like, you know, I, Isee so many of these turboed R30
ones popping up, but not really saying what they did, you know,

(03:24):
what parts did they use? Did they just buy a whole kit
and put it together? Did they use VL kits?
Did they slowly build up and buylittle bits and pieces and put
it together? And you know, what's the, what's
the best way to go about it? And it looks like there's plenty
of parts in that. It doesn't seem overly tricky.

(03:44):
I think the most expensive partswould be the ECU unless you go
like nez tune or something. It's a bit cheaper but it
doesn't seem too bad if you can get some bits and pieces like
second hand. So I was having a look and fuel
rail and all that's cheap because it used to because the

(04:07):
injectors and that and the 31 and in the V on that were
different. I can't remember what style or
anything like that. I'm not into injector torque.
But you can completely replace that brand new fuel rail and
then you can put any kind of sized Bosch injectors straight
onto it and attach it and the fuel rail.

(04:29):
And that's pretty cheap. And if that's cheap, then you
can get the Bosch injectors, which makes it a lot cheaper
than actually sourcing brand newVL turbo injectors, which are
very expensive. So so.
So in terms of that, because it's, you know, it's a

(04:50):
conversion that's been done, I assume many ways because you
know, there's the VL way and then there's like the
aftermarket would be, would be quite big.
You'd be able to surely, like there's you'd be able to get
some parts, you know, especiallylocally.
You know, I said secondhand, butlike I was just thinking you'd
need exhaust, manifold, turbo, cold side piping, cooler, hot

(05:11):
side piping, injector, rail injectors, fuel pump, and an
ECU. Is that pretty much what you'd
need to do everything or? Yes.
So fuel side of things, for whatI'm after, I could keep the fuel
pump. OK, because.
It is brand new, the fuel pump and everything.
I'll just get and you can still use the stock fuel pressure

(05:36):
regulator for low amount, but I'd probably just buy a new one
anyway. So you're chasing, you're
chasing 300, right? Like that's that's kind of what
you want. I was just looking at like 200
kilowatts at the wheel. OK.
Yeah, yeah, that, that seems pretty doable.
That would. Be a hell of a lot of fun for
how much these things weigh. Absolutely and.
And then if I need to, you can just pitch away and just add

(05:59):
little bits afterwards, you know, for for a bit more power,
but just to start off with. Is that with?
Is that with head studs as well?Or because.
You don't. Need them for 200 OK.
No, not at all. People.
People were saying that they're running over 300.
Everything completely stopped, not even opened.
Really standard bottom end. Standard, standard bottom end

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will hold more than 300 easy. But like still no head studs or
anything people would daily and that I was reading up about and
had heaps of kilometres on them and they were still fine.
So I was like OK, so I won't worry about that yet.
So I thought OK, that's good. So fuel rail, fuel pressure

(06:42):
regulator. And then on the intake side you
can get a whole bunch of aftermarket plenums and stuff.
They're a bit pricey but anotheroption you can go is just the
stock one but they just do like a cut and shut so you don't have
a crossover. It'll come towards the front of
the car instead the intake so you can do that route as well or

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you can still keep it the same way if if you want.
There's a couple of options withthe manifold.
Heaps of companies make the top mount ones which seems to be the
most popular one, but I'm probably leaning towards more to
you know, Rajab Racing. So I was looking at theirs and

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theirs is pretty much like stock.
So it's just the manifold comes down the bottom, turbo's nice
and tucked away in the right spot.
There's no cutting, there's nothing.
It'll fit in there nicely. I think that's the way to go to
be heard. So I'm I'm looking at that one.
It just looks nicer and neater. The good thing, the good thing

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about rad job racing, they're like, they're the VL kings
really like they've been doing it.
Yeah, they've been doing it forever.
Like they've had 7 second rat, you know, 30 ones and or VLS
since the dawn of time essentially.
The same manifolds, yeah, yeah. So and everyone.
Price their price really well too.
Yeah. And and that's another thing

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like I've heard, I've always heard, I've never heard a bad
thing about job racing really interms of their parts quality and
everything. So yeah, because I was about to
mention them, I think, I think they're the way to go, really.
So. How do you spell that?
Raja. BA.
RAJAB OK, Never heard. Yeah.
Yeah, they're, they're big on this side of town.
Yeah, definitely. I've known some people with some

(08:33):
VLS and stuff that have made bigpower and they've used there and
stuff before. So yeah, I think that's the way
to go. So, so basically would you go
second hand turbo, second hand exhaust manifold or would you
just try it? Would you just buy it and then
just chip away? Yeah, I'd.
Probably look at second hand turbo.
There's plenty. There's plenty out there you

(08:53):
know. Don't need to go anything huge
or anything like that turbo wise.
And then there's quite a lot of second hand intercoolers and
piping kits popping up here and there.
So I could probably grab grab one of those.
Just keep my eyes out. So I'll just slowly buy bits and

(09:14):
pieces. But I thought before I do any of
that, I've got to do the timing belt.
And if I'm doing that, then you do the water pump at the same
time. So I just bought that kit and it
should arrive tomorrow. Oh, cool.
Sweet, yeah. And what's that cost for a
Scotland R31? Very, very cheap.
So I got that whole kit for justover 100 bucks.

(09:36):
That's pretty good. Yeah, that's with the stand, not
the gates racing timing belt, just the normal gates timing
belt. You'll be fine.
And yeah, that's what I thought.I don't need a racing one.
It's it's fine. Even if it was a racing one,
you're still changing about 100,000 anyway.
Yeah, correct. When I was doing the MR2, they
had like you get the HKS, you know, purple one.

(09:57):
I was like, well that looks cool.
And then it was like 400 bucks just for the belt.
I'm like, I'm not, I'm not spending that.
I'm sorry. You don't even get to see it.
You don't even get to see it. I would have had to.
I would have had to bought out like a clear cover for it.
I'm like, yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, Yeah. So I thought I'll.
Yeah. So I've got that.
That'll arrive. I'm tempted to try and do it

(10:18):
myself but like, I don't know, maybe I'll take it to someone.
I've never done it before. It's not super hard, especially
on a 31, but yeah, like our timing bolts, they do scare me a
little bit. They always have.
Do with me as well like you. Get one go you.
Just get that one tooth out and then you're screwed and then
trying to get the timing back. It's just, it's just better to

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take it to someone that just knows it all, can put it to top
dead centre, understands the markings and knows how to, you
know, get the timing right againand stuff like that.
That's just, yeah, out of my comprehension, even though I can
sit there and shove a whole gearbox in.
I enjoy all that, but this one scares me.

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That's fair, That's fair. Yeah.
So that's it. That's where I'm at.
Nice. Well, that's exciting.
That's I guess the next progression point with the 31.
I just want to say like I'm really impressed with that 31.
It's it's come such a long way from get it.
I remember when you got it, you got it dropped off to you.
This is you've had it almost 10 years, right?
Like it's it's been. Where it would be, It's been a

(11:23):
long time I was that I was at uni.
No, got it dropped off got it and you started chipping away
and it got it on the road then the then the transmission said
yeah, Nah. And then you've put the, you put
them at, you've manual swapped it and you know it's a credit
dude like it's. Hang on, you, you that that.
I don't think you've put enough gravitas on that man, saying

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your manual swapped it. That took a little while.
That process took a little while.
We all lived through that process.
Yeah. Come on.
And you just. Can't draining, wasn't it?
It's not. I know I didn't say it was
draining, but it was an involvedprocess.
It took a long time. So you can't just say, oh, your
manual swapped it, It's gonna it's you gotta drag it out.
A. Bit well, put it this way,
you've done a feat that is, you know, pretty hard to do.

(12:07):
And you, you said yourself you almost gave up a few times just
pissed off the car. But yeah, you know, when it was
all done, like you said, even onthe show, I think you said that
the smile on your face was just was worth it because you're
like, oh, I've done this. Like it works, you know?
Feeling of accomplishment. When I put it into gear and it
moved on its own, I was just like.
Yeah, I was like. I did this like I did this.

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That's awesome, dude. That is so cool.
It's yeah, it's a cracker like and actually, you know, for its
age and Kay's and everything, I think, I think it's, you know,
if it's plenty of potential here, Scotty, like you, if you
especially do the turbo swap, you could be a bit of a sleeper
is, you know. Yeah, and the good thing is I
don't have to worry about suspension because all the
pictures in it are all brand new.

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Yeah, Yep. So that's that's all done all
new arms and stacks of every Bush you could ever think of is
done. So I don't need to stress about
that. Yeah.
Oh, and I got one of the oh whatare they called for the for the
guards, the roller to. Guard Roller.

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Yeah. Yeah, I got, I got one of those
guard rollers because I just need to flatten it and roll it
out just that little bit so thatwhen I do hit some of the bumps,
it doesn't rub. Yeah.
So nothing crazy. It's just for some reason it's
got a lip on some of it and it'll come down and catch and
kept cutting into the tyre. So it's just pretty much to roll

(13:37):
that back to make that smooth pretty much.
Yeah, just make sure you heat itup before you do it.
Get a heat gun out there and then give it some heat on that
piece of metal so you the paint doesn't crack.
Yeah, yeah. So it'll just be a tiny little
roll, nothing major, just enough.
So then when I do hit some of those bumps, it'll be all good.
Yeah, dude, it's it's a car. I think the wheel just suit that

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car perfectly too. Yeah, I love them.
Yeah, it's a, it's a great, it'sa great choice of wheel in that
car. We're joined by Rob.
Can you hear us, Rob? Mr. Rob can hear you both
clearly. Can you hear?
Me. Yeah, you can.
Certainly can correct. Scotty's just informed me us
he's going to go turbo with thisR31.
That's the next step. So that'll be.
Wow. Yeah, so it.

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Will be a process because I'll slowly kind of buy parts so.
Yeah, just chip. Just chip away.
Just chip away. Yeah, that, that'll be
interesting. I'll watch a lot of I'll watch a
lot of mighty car mods. And yeah, there's a whole lot of
ways to go about it. But if you just throw a turbo on

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it without doing all the other stuff around it, it may not work
too well. Yeah, well, I think he's gonna,
he's gonna start, you know, get collect these pieces and then
like, he's not aiming for like 1,000,000 horsepower, just just
enough to have a bit of fun, I think.
And I think that's the way to doit.
Mm hmm statement for 200 kilowatts at the wheels to begin
with. Yeah, I think that's AI mean, I

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mean that itself is a good number.
Like my forest has got 200 kilowatts at the wheels and
that's, that's plenty quick, youknow, So yeah, 200 kilowatts in
a, in a car that's lighter than that, it's heaps, heaps of
power. You just want it to be more like
the blade, don't you? That's it.
Yeah, Yeah. 2. 100 to kind of throw me back in the seat a
little bit and just get the ChooChoo sound all of a sudden.

(15:31):
David, what's updates? A couple of updates.
I've been deep, deep in, in Hondas that keep falling into my
lap in the last couple of weeks.I'm, I think I'm earlier last
week. I wasn't on the podcast, so I
can't quite remember where I'm up to the so the 88 Accord SI

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that was extracted from the garage across the road has now
gone on a truck hasn't been started yet because we're going
to drain the the petrol tank and, and change all the fluids
in the belts and stuff before weeven attempt to start it.
That's gone to a mate's place upin civil.
I've now got an 85 accord hatch at my place that I'm I'm selling

(16:17):
for a friend. 5 speed manual. She's had it from new.
It's done 105,000 KS from now and it's like a new pin.
It's even got on the on the rearquarter window on the interior,
on the handle of the the interior handle of the rear
quarter window. It's got the little swing tag
that tells you how to put the seat down that that's happened

(16:41):
from from when she picked it up,never taken it off.
So that's just like a little time warp and drives incredibly.
It's been maintained properly all along.
Never, never left to stranded. You could get in that car and
drive around Australia tomorrow.Just drives so sweetly.
What's I was going to ask you, what's something like that
worth? It's hard to put a number or

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something like that because. It's very good question.
Yeah, because it's it's. I'll let you know I've I've I've
been talking about in the trade that a few of us know not Edward
someone. Else yeah, I was I was gonna say
is Ed don't think this is a strong.
Chance it's funny because you know, it's like an Accord hatch.
So and it's it's not the cool pop up headlight one or it's not

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the cool first generation one. It's sort of the middle one.
It's got the 1.812 valve head, which is the same basically the
same engine as the pop up headlight prelude, the first
one, the series, the Gen 2 prelude, but single carbie
instead of dual carbie. And I said to this guy, I said,
look, you know it's it's if if only was a prelude or a civic of

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the same generation in that condition, it would be worth a
lot more money. He said, but he said there are a
lot more of those around. He said, when was the last time
you saw one of these on the road?
I said, well, a long time because I know how hard it is to
find bits for them and you know,they've, they've all gone
basically now. So yeah, watch this space.
I'll get back to you on that. But I he seems to think it's

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worth a lot more than I think it's worth.
But he deals with a different sort of clientele.
So he he doesn't deal with people that that necessarily are
desperately seeking through, youknow, an 85 accord.
He did more deals with people that want a cool retro sort of
manual classic that's unique. So in that case, it's fills the
bill completely, you know, and those sort of people aren't as

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fussed about paying money it seems.
So anyway, we'll see. That's two of three.
Oh, the third one, Maddie knows this car now is a 2001 CRV Sport
that was traded in. I don't know that we've
mentioned this on the podcast. I don't think we have and and
this car is. Explain the car first before we.

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OK, so basically it was treated.By.
I was trading through one of thedealerships I do work for and
they rang me and they said we'vegot a car for you.
I said, oh really? Yeah, that's good, that's cute.
Yeah. He said no, no, no, really,
we've got a car for you. He said we've just tried to CRV
Sport. I said, Oh yeah, they're pretty
cool. You know the first ones?
I said still got the picnic table.
Yeah, still got the picnic table.
OK, SO1 owner car. Country car.

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Yeah, not very much money. Like pretty very little money.
I said, OK, what's the catch? Some 556,000 kilometres complete
and out of full service history.Every service stamped in the
book and then some. And I spent the weekend doing a
few bits and bobs to it. It looks like it's done 150,000

(19:45):
KS and it drives like it too. Maddie had to drive it on the
weekend. I did.
I had to drive it. It is.
It's remarkable, actually. Like it.
It doesn't feel if you, if you blocked the, you know, the
cluster, you wouldn't be able totell like the paint, the paint's
Immaculate. It's not really stone chippy on
the front end. Even though it was a country car

(20:05):
that from my from what I saw, I think it was a Ballarat car in,
in its, in its book and. Yeah, it was sporting new in.
Ballarat, like it drives really well.
Yeah, yeah, it's a little groaning in the seat.
It could probably put a bit of WD on there or some silicon
spray, but you know, the suspension felt OK The the the

(20:25):
the little twin Cam engine and that just it just sung like it
just it ripped it did it. Doesn't blow smoke.
It doesn't blow. Smoke out beautifully smooth as
a nut. The seat, the aforementioned
squeaky seat you suggested has not got any wear on it.
It like it's not it's not the fabric is worn out.
It's it's just testimony of a car that's been maintained and

(20:46):
looked after. And you know, not just a Honda.
If it was a Toyota, it'd be the same thing.
If if it's had the had the love given to it, they they can
basically last indefinitely really.
You know, if you're prepared to keep them and maintain them and,
you know, spend the money on them for maintenance.
But it's also cars, especially Japanese cars from that era too,
David, like like they're, they're just, they're just

(21:07):
something else. Like, I mean, it, it smelt like,
you know, a Civic I used to drive years ago, you know, like
the yeah, it's they, they all smell the same.
And I've actually, I've actuallybelieve it or not, I've never
even been in one of those ever. I've never sat in one.
Really. Yeah, I've never even sat in
one. Like I remember Ed had was it a
white 1A while ago? But like I had a look at it, but

(21:28):
I didn't even go in and I never drove it or anything.
But this thing, it drove really well.
Like it was it, you know, it's Icouldn't get, I couldn't get
over how good it drove. I'm like, you know, you'd buy
for the picnic table in the backlike I was.
Well, they're now 25 years old, so they do qualify for club
plates. The early ones, A lot of them
were lost in the Takata airbag. Yeah, dramas, which was a real

(21:51):
shame because we lost some lovely examples in the club.
So I'm going to ask you though, with this one does that not was
was that not? Not really.
Obviously they've been changed or, but it was really the early
cars that were affected most. This is a latest first Gen.
So the the first cars were the 9790 eights, eights.
Yeah. And they were the ones that
yeah, a lot of them didn't, but they did come up with a fix

(22:13):
eventually. So if people hadn't, you know,
gone in that first wave of, you know, you can't, we can't fix
your car, we're going to give you money for it and take it
away from you. If they people had dug their
heels in and said, no, we're notdoing that just yet, then then
there was a fix for them. They were able to replace the,
the airbag. I think it was the the inflator
wasn't that was the problem. Yeah, and it was like shooting

(22:33):
shrapnel I think too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, yeah, we talked about that whole whole business
before, but Honda were actually one of the the biggest.
Biggest hit? Well, yeah, yeah, but the most
compliant of all of the companies in Australia,
tragically the only person to die in Australia as a result of
that airbag fault was in a CRV that actually had it was a

(22:57):
second Gen CRVI think. And they had like it was it was
in court, they talked about it. I think it was 5 or 6 letters
saying you've got to, you know, bring this car in and replace.
And if it did, but the managing director of Honda at the time,
he actually, they all the up, the executives had lists of
people to, to physically go and knock on their door when they,

(23:19):
they were down to the last couple of 100 sort of thing.
And if it whoever lived nearby one of these directors, they got
a list of the, the people and they would go on door knock them
and say, I am the executive director of Honda Australia.
You need to give us your car back so we can fix your car.
So they were the most compliant of all the companies at the
time, I remember. But yeah, anyway, I can remember

(23:40):
when the CRV came out and I knewa lot of people that bought them
at the time. It was just like the Rav 4.
It was, it was as As for Toyota,but it was such a good size.
It was so easy to drive. That visibility was great.
And it took people who weren't even car people like they just
raved about these things. They they could not put a foot
wrong though. And they had a cool, very cool

(24:01):
commercial with a sloth. Do you remember the sloth ad
jumping out? Once he bought his CRV, he
started living a better life andjumped out of planes and did
topic with friends and all this sort of stuff.
It was very cool. Yeah.
So I don't quite know what will become of that.
I think Mr Bunding has some money showing tonight.

(24:22):
Actually, I think that might be why it's not here.
But there's a few Rd a few things that requires for
roadworthy. This is a car that's never had a
roadworthy obviously, given thatit's had one owner from new.
So in Victoria our our rules don't require any follow up
Roadworthy's until the car actually changes hands.
So obviously there are a couple of bushes and sway bar links and

(24:43):
things like that that. That's that's pretty standard
stuff, to be fair. Like that's just.
It's all I've got an order in with rock order already to to
pick up all that stuff from the states.
So yeah, happy days. That's a pleasant little little
jigger to have The only other update.
You know, it would be disappointing if we did a
podcast in my TSD key box hadn'tstarted making another noise so.

(25:06):
But good thing is I've actually booked it in with the dealership
for October when we were in Adelaide for Magna 40.
I said you can have it for the week because it's still under
warranty. And when I come back I'd like it
fixed and ready to go again. Thanks.
So I actually went through the guy I bought the car from rather
than the service department because I think he's got a bit

(25:27):
more clout than just taking it into the service.
The last three services I've hadon it over the last couple of
years, I've every time I've commented on the key box and
they've said, oh, that seems to be fine.
We can't, we can't replicate it.Well, they can replicate it now.
It's not hard. So it's just.
It's within spec, David, as I would say.
Well, the spec's not satisfactory at the moment.

(25:50):
I think that's me for the time being.
Lovely. Yeah, I just wanted to add to
that Civ I yeah, I'm really impressed.
I can see why they sold bucket loads of them.
Well, of course it's gone on to be 1 of Honda's most successful.
Has. Badges.
Cars. But I, I want to talk about that
car in in in a little bit, but but as part of the the topic for

(26:12):
for discussion tonight, But we'll we'll get back to that.
Rob updates with you. I'm driving a brand new Ford
Ranger Wild track with a tradie tray on it.
Drives well, it's AV 6, no backlash in the in the DIF, no
different. Noises.

(26:34):
It's going. It.
Goes real well, not well. The good story good.
The good news is the cars at Ford Ford have done the
assessment Bayford have and they.
Said. What have they said?
They've said they've agreed withyou.
No, no they haven't. This is the story they gave to
me. Well yes, we do realise the

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steering has noise and now we need to get you a steering rack.
What the hell are you kidding? The car's what not even done
10,000 kilometres. Just on 12 now, but anyway,
that's beside the point. So.
So I'll be out without a car formaybe another 6 to 8 weeks by
the time they get a steering rack delivered and pull out the
old one and put a new one and they go, well, you took out your

(27:17):
barrier between the front and back so you can hear the noise.
I said yeah, but the noise is there and, and it's there
between a certain speed range. Oh, that's just normal
parameters. You put the barrier back, you
won't hear. And I said, well, if I put
earplugs in, I won't hear it either.
Yeah, you know, and they said, well, no, that's that's fine.

(27:38):
I said, well I'll be escalating this to Ford Australia.
So I rang Ford Australia today and I've escalated it.
I think they're going to have that discussion, look into it.
But that they're saying that thethe backlash and the DIF and
the, and the the sludging gearbox when you first start up
in the morning where it sort of slips a little bit is within
parameters and it's OK. That's insane.
Look. For a new car way.

(27:59):
That's disgusting. That's that's actually horrific.
Yeah. So it's all within the, you
know, that allowable limit. So it's, it's OK, it still
rolls, you know. Did you tell them that that our
friend Chad is in Turkey at the moment?
No, I didn't tell him that chat in the in the plant in Turkey at
the moment looking investigatingto their quality control and his

(28:23):
assembly and their assembly. He's speaking to his uncle.
He's speaking to Uncle Elon in. Between eating food, the food
photos look amazing they. Think it look great, they look
sick. Well.
He won't be on any diet over there, will he?
If you're listening, Chad, Yeah.So, so anyway, they'll have that

(28:48):
discussion work out, you know what they're going to do, you
know, I'm not really comfortablein then replacing the whole
steering rack. That's that's.
Cooked. Maybe put up with the noise on
the steering rack and put up with put the barrier back up,
put the ear plugs in and try to sell it to someone who's got ear
plugs. Yeah, Don't know.
Yeah. I just like I've never heard of

(29:11):
a new car this bad. Like, like it's not when I say
it's, it's not bad. It's just, and it might be all
right as a work vehicle running around town, but you wouldn't
trust to to fit it out and take it on long journeys and trips
because you've got no trust in the car anymore.
Yeah, I agree with that, Yeah. You know, and, and that's what

(29:33):
it's all about. It's, it's the trust and I'll
tell them it's causing me heaps of anxiety and stress and I
can't do anything with the car because it, it keeps on going
back every time I want to start doing something.
So I can't put. I can't convert it until it's
working right. Yeah, no, you're not wrong.
Anyway, I'm driving a nice Ranger so that's the main thing.

(29:55):
It's it's a beautiful car. Only thing is they didn't give
me the key to to the back canopywhere it's for me to put
anything in there so I can't even use it as a uke.
It just gets funnier and funnier, yeah.
You know, but look, I do, I do have the keys just built, you

(30:18):
know, behind the back wheel, mudflaps, there's a little, little
box there. I've got the keys for those.
So I can, I can throw in a, you know, a couple little bits and
pieces there, my tool belt, stuff like that.
So, yeah. But apart from that, haven't
really been doing much of cars. So I'm my panel beaters MIAII

(30:43):
haven't seen him down the workshop for the last week.
He I don't know what he's doing.He's he's trying to do an an ex
E type Jag. He's redoing or doing.
Yeah, I heard about that. And he's and he's.
Yeah. So I mean, it looks great, great
project, but it's a massive project.
And yet he hasn't started my project, you know, so I'm not,

(31:07):
I'm not not impressed. But, you know, maybe I'm just
too nice. I don't know.
And I just you get taken advantage of.
I don't know. I really don't know.
Maybe it's just it's all in my mind that you know about the
car, about my panel beater. Maybe you're it's, it's voices
in your head, Rob. Yeah, it's just voices in my

(31:29):
head saying it's, it's, it's just a dream.
It, it, you know, it's not really happening or not
happening. I don't know.
It's, it's, it's tiring. Would be, you know, I'm sort of
looking at, you know, downsizingsome of the cars and and moving
on. Some cars try to start the F100.
The other day the battery was flat on that.

(31:50):
So I have to get another batteryfor it.
It's dead and I can't get to it because my dad's cars parked in
front of that. So I've got to get these
Mercedes out to get the, you know, the F100 out.
And and I normally have trickle charges off the roof of all
machines. But because I've been moving
cars around, I didn't hook them all back up to the trickle
charges. But that used to be pretty good
because this when the sun come out or trickle charge it enough

(32:11):
to keep the battery just tickingover every day.
And then the battery would last for years and years.
But I haven't had the battery hooked up to a charger for six
months, even though it's disconnected entirely.
It just went flat. So.
Yeah, it's disappointing. So another battery on its way.
That's it. Updates with me.

(32:31):
So Camry, we'll start with the Camry update.
Cool. Got a new windshield yesterday
and then today we dropped it offthis morning to get the
distributor seal done and the road where the certificates
signed off. I was thinking because I know
the air con needs to get done. I was just like, you know what,
while it's there, I was just asking, Hey, just sauce out the

(32:53):
air con. Just make sure if, if, if it's
anything crazy, don't just tell me what it needs and I'll sort
it out later. But if it's just a gas, just,
you know, let me know and we canjust get it done.
And then pretty much that car ismechanically sorted and I'll
take it to the place on Friday to get it signed off and
hopefully have it have it on a club plate by the weekend, which
is exciting. That's, that's making me very

(33:14):
excited. So I can't wait to drive that a
lot. And then because the
mechanically perfect interior, 90 percent, 99% or 95%, there's
a few things that I need to get sorted.
Needs a bit of David Prince on the on the handbrake leather.

(33:36):
And I actually wanted to get your opinion on on how harsh I
can be with the steering wheel because I started cleaning the
steering wheel just which is with, with a, with a, with a
leather cleaner. And it was very light on a
microfiber and the colour blue started to come off the steering
wheel onto the onto the OK Microsoft Office.
I was like, oh, I don't want to,Darwin.
Stop is the first thing. Yeah, yeah, I did.
Yeah. So, so I was like, oh, OK,

(33:58):
that's that's not great. So OK, I might try to trace a
little brush and just just try cleaning some of the dirt out of
the ridges. No toothbrush.
Toothbrush. OK, soft toothbrush.
So, but I'll speak bit of this. So yeah, I'll speak to you about
that. Yeah.
So yeah, that's really good. I've been driving that a fair
bit and Ed, but Ed drove it as well because I dropped it off to

(34:20):
him. That's the reason why I got to
get acquainted with the CRV because he's like oh you can
borrow this, drop it off to my place.
I got a good windshield guy and the windscreen got fitted and
him and good friend of the show Thomas took her for a drive and
they were really impressed with it.
After getting his opinion on it,they said it's a very it is and

(34:41):
from memories as a kid because my uncle had a 4 cylinder one,
it is a different car to the 4 cylinder one like in in a lot of
ways only so but yeah, I'd love to get your opinion David on now
that all the suspension sorted and and you know that the engine
mounts are no longer pulling themotor out of the car.
Best case scenario, best case scenario.
So yeah, I'd like to get your opinion on that when that's due

(35:05):
but yeah, in other news, that's I'll wait for Ed to to come on
so we can discuss what our plan is for classic Japan.
We'll we'll we'll discuss this point and you guys are all
welcome to be part of this too, but I'll explain that to you
guys when Edward is on the show.I think that's it.

(35:25):
Yeah, I think I think we're we're pretty good.
So drawing the CRV, Jim, it really got me thinking.
Why do cars need to get so much bigger?
Like that car is a good size. You know, it's I in comparison,
it was compared to like a first Gen R4 because, you know,
they're very similar cars, but the CRV was that little bit

(35:47):
bigger than a first Gen R4. First Gen R4 was actually a very
small car. It's not it's not, it's not big
at all. But then I actually on the
freeway yesterday when I was driving to work in the CRV, a
white current Gen CRV, you know,drove past me and it was pretty
much double the size. Like I'm not, I'm, I'm not even

(36:08):
well, not double size, but you know what I mean, Like bigger,
bigger in every way. And I get safety and I
understand all that. But surely, you know, there,
there has to be a point as to which this car companies are
going to say, hang on a minute. You know, this is not what this
car is based on. Like it's CRV is supposed to be
a smallish SUV or medium, small to medium SUV.

(36:30):
Now it's kind of like a large SUV, like like a current CFV is
a territory size from 10 years ago.
You know what I mean? Like it's it's they're they're
quite a big car. Do we think now this is the
question that I'm asking you guys.
Do we think that car companies are just playing catch up with
other companies just to make everything bigger and bigger and
bigger and not realising that they're that they're making

(36:53):
their cars bigger out of the segment.
So like like like for example, Golf was a it was like a mini
car. Now it's a, you know, now it's
almost a medium sized car, if that makes sense in terms of
sizing. A civics of like a car in Civic
is bigger than my Camry and my Camry was considered a medium

(37:13):
car. And then when I look at when I
when I drove the other, I'm like, this is actually a small
car. It's not even a big car at all.
Got me thinking, do you think the car company, the car
companies are realising this? And if the if not, why is that
the case? I think they know, but hence the
reason why they put in an extra car into the smaller car in the
segment. So they got the micro car or K

(37:35):
cars, micro cars, medium size, which used to be the small cars.
Then they've got a medium size car, a large car, and then we've
got pickups. There's so many different, how
can I say, model ranges or sizings of cars.
It's not like it used to be you'd be small, medium, large or

(37:57):
a compact in America or a large car.
It was a large and a compact. But now they've just decided to
put extra cars just to make more, maybe more sales.
I don't know. Does that sort of make sense?
It it it makes sense, but also to tell to the point is like,
well, they're making another carto fill in the void of where
that car should have been in thefirst place.

(38:17):
Should be. That's right.
So then like what? What's the, where's that logic,
Rob? Like, like where's the logic
that these companies are having?But they needed that bigger car
for people who needed that little bit bigger.
So they've then they've sort of this car grew into this and they
go, oh, it's gotten too big. Well, we're going to make a
smaller car now, right? For the people that want smaller
cars. But they're just, they're just

(38:39):
filling holes that don't need tobe filled.
Yeah, I, I think, I think there's someone that's obsessed
with Japan. I mean, you go up there and I
think it's still 1/4 of cars sold at K cars in Japan.
They attract different, as we'vediscussed before, they attract
different Rd taxes and insuranceand all that sort of thing.

(38:59):
But that makes so much sense. You know you don't need
something And and that's partly why we're going through petrol
the rate we are because everyonethinks they've got to drive
these bigger cars. Sure they can't do everything.
They can't tow a horse float. They can't tow a boat or a
tradie trailer. Probably give it a red good red
hot go because don't forget thatthe bed of AK truck is bigger

(39:20):
than a Ranger tray. You know you can actually fit
bigger things in. Yeah, I having had civics
through the years, you're exactly right.
I mean, I couldn't even get thatCivic Type R down my my
driveway, my down beside my house into my garage to take
some sneaky shots. You know, I can get a first,
second, third, fourth or fifth, you know, civic sideways down

(39:43):
the driveway. So I mean, they're just I, I
don't know why we do it. That's a really good question.
Of course they're trying to loadmore and more safety stuff into
them. You know, I, I get that, and
that's, that's good. But yeah, we we.
It's upselling too I reckon. I reckon it might be able to
sell them. Yeah, the prices.
What they're trying to do is tryto get a bit more money out of

(40:05):
you so that they'll make it bigger and bigger and say, well,
it's still a Corolla, it's stillwhat I really want, but oh, or
or stretch it a bit more to get their car rather than getting
the cheaper car once they come out I.
I agree with you, like I, you know, I had mum's civic type R
next to my typhoon and I kid younot the the I think the civic's
wider, like like Gen genuinely wider and if not a little bit

(40:30):
shorter or or probably the same length it after, after Fact
Check that. But you know, I was just like,
it's just a freaking civic. Like what?
Like, you know, you know what I mean?
Like that it, it doesn't make sense because when I think of
civics, OK. And, and Dave was going to laugh
because he's going to be like, Oh, you, you bloody millennial.

(40:51):
But what, what, what I think I think of like e.g.
SEEKS and like, that's kind of my, my era.
And they were small. You know, like every time I
drive an Ek, I'm like, oh, it's,you know, it's, it's a great
size. It reminds me of my laser in
terms of sizing. I hop, I hop in a, in, in my
mom's civic and it feels like I'm driving a typhoon.
You know, it's in terms of it, it's, it is a bigger car and,

(41:15):
and don't get me wrong, it's an incredible piece of machinery
because, because it doesn't makeyou feel like you're driving a
car that big. And that's, that's the tale, the
tale of a, of a, of a good chassis and a, and a good car in
my eyes. But my God, is, is it like, you
know, is it, is it wide? I'm like, this is this is
supposed to be a small car. And yeah, it just, it just

(41:36):
boggles the mind that that's thecase, which is which is fair
because like my Fiesta feels like an Ek size and it's
supposed to be a a the first wassupposed to be a car size
smaller than than a Civic. So, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, but I see, I see. I agree with you, Rob, about
the, you know, they're trying to, oh, look, you can, you can
stretch your budget a little bitmore.

(41:56):
You can get into this, you know,and I think that's, I think
that's a good point. I.
Think most people now are leaning towards larger cars.
It seems to be more popular and I think people have got this
mindset that the bigger it is, the more safer it is and they
want to be up a bit higher as well and looking down at the

(42:17):
traffic because that makes them feel safer.
And that's just turning into, I mean, look at BMW, you got what,
X1X2X3, You know, they've got the whole lot. 567. 567.
Eight yeah, so and that's just all going up in sizes.

(42:40):
It's it's crazy, but it's peopleare buying them.
I mean, I see these X ones everywhere on the road.
So it's it's yeah, it's unfortunate that it's it's what
people want. I think mainly also because
things that you can fit in it, they want that extra space kind

(43:01):
of like a adjusting case. So most likely they're not going
to use that space. Yeah, correct.
But it's but it's a justing casekind of feel where they're like,
well, you know it, it can hold this amount of space in case I
need it to carry such and such because there's not really utes

(43:22):
around anymore. You don't really fit much in
Hiluxes and stuff like you used.To.
If you. You should you should see a
stuff with Dad fits in his two door Toyota Echo.
It's amazing. He lays down his seats, he puts
in the green bins, he puts the rubbish bins in, he carries

(43:42):
bricks in it. He does everything.
It just it's amazes me and it's got over 3 or 400,000 kilometres
on it. Yeah.
Yeah, it's awesome. Well, yeah, I get like, and I
had this customer come into super cheap, right?
And he had a, he had a, a Denali, you know, like a like a

(44:04):
melody pickup, Yukon Denali, youknow, massive pickup.
And he couldn't park it in our, in our car park.
So he parked across like, you know, the one of the driveways.
I was like, yeah, it's fine, just keep it in.
No one's going out. It's a, it was a Sunday.
Anyway, he comes in and he's like, Oh yeah, I love my truck.
This, that and the other. And I, and I actually, I
probably shouldn't have, but I, I said, why do you, why do you

(44:27):
need something that big? And he's like, he's like, you'd
be surprised how often I get asked this question.
And he was an older gentleman, to be fair.
He's like, I do a lot of towing and I tow a big, like a massive
one of those massive floats. And and in the bed of his Denali
is like a. 5th Wheeler Yeah, it's got the turntable.
Turntable yeah, I didn't know that because I only saw it from

(44:47):
yeah, yeah. And he's like he's like he's
like, is there anything that cantow it?
And he's like, that's why I needit and I'm like, OK, I get I
understand that, I get you. You know I he's like he toes it
for work and he's retired so he's semi retired I think so
he's. So the work he does, he uses it
and he doesn't need the rest of the time he's just towing around
around Australia. But I'm like cool, Yep, you're

(45:08):
using it for purpose. I I totally get that.
But in Japan, right, you know, it's, it's so efficient that
people are just using for what they need.
You know, like you've got tradies here that, that are
buying and I'll be honest with you, Ranger Raptors that have
never seen a dirt Rd. You know, I think I've told that
story about about my mate that bought a a $250,000 Ranger of a

(45:30):
Vogue anyway, Range Rover, call him like a couple weeks later.
How's it going? Yeah, great.
Loving it. We want to offer you a a full
driving day. Oh yeah, great.
Just make sure you bring your card.
And he's like, mate, I paid $250,000 for this car.
Do you think you're going to be bringing it on on on on a dirt
Rd, let alone a drive Jack? So like, you know, and this is a
massive car and he's and he, youknow, he's got three eggs or

(45:55):
three kids, but like even then it's too, it's still too big for
that, you know, like we still fit 3 kids in the back of our
Camry, you know, we. Turned out.
OK. Oh, we turned that, all right,
So you know what I mean? Like it's just.
Yeah, I don't think. That the interiors are smaller.
I think you feel cocooned because the pillars are so thick

(46:18):
these days. Yeah.
And I think right And I feel. Feels so much more
claustrophobic in the newer carseven though they're bigger or
you look on the out on the outside, but on the inside
everything feels like it's all closed in.
Just doesn't feel as big and that.
That's partly a safety thing. You know, the pillars are
stronger and more supportive of the roof.

(46:39):
Yeah. Which is a good thing.
That's fine, Yeah. Which?
Is good, but. But.
From a primary safety point of view, that's called secondary
safety. But from primary safety point of
view, visibility is so important.
You know, so you can actually see driving that CRV the other
day, I mean, you look over your shoulder, you can see
everything, you know, you see whatever is in the lane next to
you. Case in point, this, this friend

(47:01):
that, who's the cord that I'm trying to sell for her, She
bought a Hyundai Venue. She's scared to drive the thing
because, you know, she said it. She said I could see everything
out of the Accord, you know, every.
And that was part of the reason she got rid of it because she
felt quite vulnerable in it because of the size and how low
it was sort of thing. So she wanted something a bit

(47:21):
higher. But but yeah, that it, it comes
at a price really. I'm gonna say I'm gonna, I'm
gonna Scotty tinfoil head on. I mean, your hat's always on to
be honest here, but I think car companies are making cars bigger
to kind of intimidate the smaller cars people like, well,
maybe I need a bigger car because I don't feel safe in
this car anymore. And you know, that's genuinely,
you know, how I how I kind of feel.

(47:43):
My brother the other day we wentand picked up his brand new car.
But anyway, I picked him up in my laser and he's like, and he's
like, I kind of drive him like, yeah, yeah, sure.
You know, threw him the keys and, and he just started
laughing. I'm like, what's so funny?
He's like, he's like, he's like,you know, well, first of all,
like he, he actually, believe itor not, he, he passed his
driving test in that car to get these people to get these P

(48:05):
plates because the car he was meant to use got hit up the ass
when he was driving it by a person that wasn't looking.
So the, so the car was getting repaired.
So he's like, I need to use the laser for my, for my driving
test. But anyway, he, he was driving
it and he's like, he's like, it's actually refreshing.
I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, it's refreshing not
to have anything bonging at you,digging at you, banging at you.

(48:27):
You know, there's no big things.He's like, it's you can see.
It's like, you know, you can seewhat around you.
Like the pillars aren't huge. He's like, ah, yeah.
Like it's, it's actually it is. It's a refreshing experience
because like all, you know, like, I mean, his current car's
a Ranger Raptor, which is just bings and bongs at you.
He's got his wife's got a Santa Fe.
You know, he's obviously got hisF6, which which is just kind of

(48:48):
like a race car at this point. But then the car he bought, you
know, is it's pretty epic. But like, again, just everything
screens galore, you know, Bing Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing.
Everything's just bonging at you.
So I like the fact that my brother said, Oh, it's actually
refreshing. It's, it's, it's almost weird to
hop back into a car that's got nothing, you know, kind of sets

(49:09):
the scene as to where we're going as a, as a sorry.
I think that's the next thing that's coming in, not the size
of the car, but the size of the screen inside the car now.
Yeah. That's becoming huge.
Like all the dealers are talkingabout it saying this one's got a
blah, blah blah inch size screenand you do this and that and the

(49:30):
screen's huge on there. I don't even understand that
big. You don't get distracted
already, let alone. Open this big.
Screen in the middle. Yeah, it's just a massive
distraction. We we already get distracted
enough with tiny tiny buttons and tiny devices.
Imagine how many. Bigger screens.
Imagine the ROTOL and fatalitiesif you know people didn't have

(49:53):
all this safety and all the features in the cars.
People would have to drive a caragain.
Outrageous. Yeah, it's crazy.
Wasn't there. That's it was a question in the
quiz where most people turn it off.
Yeah, yeah, beans and bobs. That's a that's a true because

(50:15):
like it's just like it's so you know, it's so in invasive like
the like I think I mentioned earlier that my, my housemate
George, he's he's have LH6GT. He loves it.
He reckons it's a great car. But the lady we bought her off
had everything turned off and weasked her why she's like it just
it just, it was too much. Yeah.

(50:35):
Like, you know, and the good thing about that car, if you
turn it off, it stays off for the next time you start it,
which is great. But like, like it binged and
bonged and carried on and, you know, it constantly slam on the
brakes and, and do things and I'm just like, Nah, I, that's
just, I mean, that for me is, you know, crazy.
Now, now my fiesta's got, you know, autonomous breaking, but

(50:56):
it'll, it'll warn you first before it hits the brakes.
You'll go beep, beep, beep. I'm like, OK, yeah, you, you're
right. Yeah, yeah.
I better stop. Yeah, but apparently in those
cars, like, it just just jams them on.
And for me, that's dangerous, you know, like that's that
that's an issue. Yeah, yeah.
Your mom's a Mercedes has done that before and it's done it for
like no reason. Yeah, it's just scared the shit

(51:18):
out of me. It's just all of a sudden just
like whoa, it's just break hard on you for no reason.
Yep, Yep, yeah, that it's it's amazing technology, yes, but I
also think it's not make it not helping us to become better
drivers. And when it fails, you know, at
the end of the day, it's a it's a computer.
Computers fail, right. Like that's just, you know,
things break like technology's not perfect.

(51:40):
Humans aren't perfect and. That's turning you off and
turning it back on again at 100K's on the freeway.
Correctamundo. So I don't know, man.
It's. AI get that because obviously,
yeah, computers in that fail. Humans do too, but we're meant
to be. If you've got that system that
fails, well, you should be adequate enough as a backup.

(52:03):
If you haven't practise or know what you're doing when it comes
to driving, you're not going to be that backup.
Yeah, yeah. You still need to have those
skills no matter what, in case it does fail.
I agree. I was.
Talking to one of my friends theother day, she took all the
students to the museum. I think they've got this driver

(52:24):
Ed, you know, zero or something like that, fatalities that
they're trying to promote kids through school, school system to
stay safe and the way they, you know, drive safely and whatnot.
But it's good. It's all good about talking
about this stuff. But actually I think they need
to get into the cars and experience the the the cars and

(52:45):
drive them in a controlled environment, correct?
With the safety gear on, the safety gear off and and.
See the differences? You see all the differences?
Yeah, I agree. It's.
Really the biggest common, well,it used to be the biggest common
denominator of what kids were going to do when they leave
school would is some says they'dbe driving a car.

(53:07):
You would think, I mean the, the, the age of which kids have
started getting their licences going up all the time.
You know, like a lot of 18 year olds don't rush out and get
their licence. Any that's because you need 200
hours, and not everyone's got that luxury of 200 hours as
well. True, and and it's not quality
200 hours either. Not always, no.

(53:28):
It could just be just a boring freeway, just straight you've
racked up those hours as opposedto maybe someone that did an
hour in the city. Yep, back.
Roads. Yeah.
Hour in a city. Country.
Country roads, Rail. Travel.

(53:49):
Gravel roads. Gravel roads.
Yeah, we're trying, trying on a Friday afternoon, trying to find
the right exit off the the M1 atthe other side of the Westgate
Bridge. I can just park in the city,
find a park in the city. It's a stress inducing thing.
Ever. I hate, I hate the city.
No. What box to?

(54:11):
The city's fine, Scotty I I had no issues.
I've got no issues in the I had issues when I got to bloody
Kyoto that like the freaking spaghetti that that we had to
take two different trips like itwas, it was crazy Steph, Steph
and I never had so much anxiety in the car ever getting up to
the freeway and there was like there was like 4 entrances that

(54:31):
were doing loops like this and Iwas like what the hell is going
on? And I said, but anyway, we
figured it out. We got there, we just took a
little bit longer. It's done, younger people not
getting their licences. I've got a relation who didn't
get his licence for a long time,but he put all his effort into
learning to fly a plane. He actually was working for
Qantas before he had a driver's licence.

(54:53):
So that's crazy. He was flying dash eights in and
out of, you know, like rural Queensland where the miners, the
FIFO miners and stuff, you know.And, you know, he tied often,
regardless of stories of, you know, taking off into a, you
know, on a particularly stormy day and all this sort of thing.
And I, I wonder, I just, I just couldn't help myself.

(55:14):
I just hit me one day. I said, tell you what, mate, you
go and get a licence and then find a car park at Chadstone on
a Saturday morning. I said then I'll be impressed.
Good. Luck.
There's no one else in the sky, you know.
Oh well, there are, but you knowlike you can not usually in the
proximity. I took a less flying lesson in

(55:36):
the Cessna, and it was the scariest thing ever in trying to
land. When the control tower goes,
you've got one shot at it, only there's three other planes
behind you. You got to land it.
Now, you shoot yourself. Yeah.
But while you're flying in the air, it's all right.

(55:58):
It's sort of, you know, taking off is OK.
So yeah. Yeah, it's all easy.
Yeah. It's actually landing at it,
down at. It's an airport with a whole lot
of planes coming in. That's scary.
Yeah, it's a, it's a solid, you know, for me to.
Yeah, yeah. All right at flying my F18 on my
flight SIM, it goes all right tobe to learn all the controls and

(56:20):
stuff, but you know, I'm gettingthere.
I can easy. Mate.
Easy, I programme my GPS guided bombs and everything now.
Yeah, Do you, do you find, do you get queasy when you're
looking at the altimeter and everything else and trying to,
you know, look at the dash at the same time and you can't
really see anything but the sky?You get a bit queasy.

(56:42):
With, with with VR you can. VR.
Yeah, well, it's the same thing in real life.
It's probably a bit like VR. Yeah, it's.
Like with VR, also with if you're playing a game where
you're actually moving, it can be really off putting as well.
Running you're like whoa, tryingto.
Balance. And yet the F1 drivers don't.

(57:06):
They actually do a lot of VR SIMtype stuff.
Yeah, heaps, yeah. Yeah, OK.
That must be pretty good. Tell you a story, Rob, that
because you just remind me we got my dad a flight experience
years ago. Yeah, it was the one in in QV.
He's obviously never done anything like that before.
And he he when he landed, he landed really hard.

(57:30):
And we like the whole thing, youknow, shook and the guy's like
yeah, they would have probably done some damage.
I'm like some he's like the plane.
No one would have survived. This is I was like.
Yeah. Wow, that.
Scares the crap out of me so I don't think I could.
I could do that. But anyway to answer the
question that we had earlier, I fact checked it.

(57:51):
David Brince. So the typhoon in width is 18164
millimetres. Yep, the type iron with FL 5 is
18190 millimetres. So it is it is fair bit wider
which is just blows my mind thata sip it goes wide that a.
Two metres wide. Look, it is fat and it's a fat

(58:12):
car. It is fat car, but like it's not
as long like the Typhoon's stilllonger.
But in terms of wheelbase, there's not much in it.
So like wheelbase is 280-2829 onthe on the Typhoon and 2735 on
the city. So it's actually there's
actually not a lot in that, Yeah.
So no wonder why it felt virtually the same you.

(58:35):
Know what I mean? Correct?
Yeah. So.
Yeah, that's, that's pretty. That's and that that that makes
me feel weirder because it wasn't just me not being able to
get the car down the side of thethe house.
It literally wouldn't fit. It literally would not fit.
So yes, but but anyway, look, I think hopefully car companies do

(58:56):
some refreshing things and you know, start saying, OK, maybe
we're making the models too. We can just try to keep them the
same size and. Yeah, interestingly, even in the
electric car space, the I mean when Hyundai release here, I
think it. Is only 5, yeah.
Only 6 the first one that they that's also need Yep, so that

(59:16):
was on based, you know, Oh what what platform we base it on.
Let's go the biggest car we havein the range.
Let's go the palisade. So had that car been 2/3 the
size, you know, I reckon it would have been a much, you
know, and obviously a bigger carthey can charge more money for
it, but I reckon they would havedone much better with that car
if it was 2/3 the size. Can I just say that's that's
still my favourite looking electric car?

(59:37):
I think. I think it's I think it's a
great looking car, especially inyeah, proportions are excellent,
but when you it looks like a hothash, but when you get up to you
like holy crap, this thing's huge.
Yeah, it's it's it's it doesn't you know it's if you put it next
like a let's say AI 30 N it's a lot bigger in every dimension.
It's just like a jacked up one of those yeah, we'd I, I don't I

(01:00:00):
think I should have done it based on a smaller car.
But you know, we we don't run how you know David, We
certainly. Don't.
Anyway, let's move on to the carquiz, gentlemen.
So the car quiz for this eveningis I've made it a little bit
different. I've taken a leaf out of
Scotty's book and and have done something a bit different, as
does David. And and thank you again, Rob,

(01:00:21):
for the episode for last week. That was that was a good
episode. It was a it was a probably
probably the hardest quiz we've ever had on the show.
So that, that's that, you know, that's.
Good. And there's nothing wrong with
that, because you always learn something from it.
Absolutely. So we got David, we got Rob, and
we've got Scotty Doe playing. So this time I'm going to read

(01:00:43):
you the I'm going to ask you thename of a song and you're going
to tell me which ad it was on for a car.
What? What Car commercial was it?
Oh, OK, that's cool. Sorry.
Oh gosh, Basically I want to tell you the name of the song.
So you know, Backstreet Boys, whatever it was.
And you'd be like, oh, it was for this car in this model.
Yep, Yep, Yep. All right, so I want to give you

(01:01:05):
so each question is worth 2 points here, gentlemen, this,
this time. Well, actually I'll, I'll
rephrase that. I'll mention the ones that it's
worth 2 points because some are for the whole range of that
brand. So.
But I'll I'll be be all right. Question number one, what
vehicle featured the commercial where the song baby come back by

(01:01:27):
player this feature Scott. That was the Toyota Hilux.
That is 2 points to you Scotty. Well done.
A lot of time can even. I can even tell you the whole
lad of what happened. Very funny is that?
Not the one that ends up in the surf.
It does, yeah. It falls off the Cliff.
And he's all sad and depressed and his wife is feeding him and

(01:01:48):
he's all sad and pressed and everything.
So the whole thing. And then he's walking on the
beach and he sees that they're sitting there at the beach.
He. Goes right.
That's a great ad. That is one of my one of my all
time favourite like automotive ads.
It's brilliant. It's a brilliant ad.
Love. That question #2 what vehicle
featured was featured in the commercial where the song

(01:02:11):
Amazing by Alex Lloyd was featured.
David. David it.
Was a Ford. That's one point.
Was it a territory? It was a territory, Well done
territory, correct? Yep, the I remember the ads and
the the territory went from the city.
If it's like city territory to like beach territory to, you

(01:02:32):
know, it went all over differentplaces.
It was a good marketing. Great great ad great ad great
song quiz #3 What vehicles vehicles.
So this one is a single point question featured in the
commercial, the song Don't Hold Back by the Pot Bellies I.

(01:02:53):
Can see it. It's a good song by the Pot
Bellies. I'll give you guys a hint.
I'll have a guess. Oh no, I'll wait for the hint.
Wait for the hint. Rob, you had one of these.
Oh. That's that's the hint.
Oh, I had one of them, so I should know.
You should know, yeah, correct. Rob.
Rob. This is Suzuki XL7.

(01:03:15):
Isn't. It's not.
Correct. All right guys.
XR6 Mercedes Mustang have a pig.No, it's none of those you.
Could send your advice. Jimmy.
Picture as a small car, Scott. Scott.
Is it a Suzuki? Incorrect.

(01:03:39):
Don't hold back on hot bellies. I think this is wrong given the
the hint, but was it a Mitsubishi?
Incorrect. It was Jeep.
Jeep had the marketing. So I did have three or that I
did have 3 or 4 jeeps. Oh, but.
You've forgotten them all, haven't you?
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I was picturing

(01:04:01):
the song with a small car. Yeah.
I've forgotten because they wereuneventful and nothing ever went
wrong with my jeeps. Which is surprising.
Very surprising, anyway. Yeah, so the whole Jeep range,
they they had that, they had that song for and and their, and
their actual slogan for a while was Don't hold back.

(01:04:22):
And that's the reason why they, they, they used that song
question #4 what vehicles, Vehicles, I should say vehicles
featured in the commercial wherethe song Nothing's going to Stop
Us Now by Starship is featured David.
Subaru. Subaru is correct.
One point to you David. That's a great ad.
That is one of my all time favourites cracker.

(01:04:42):
Lovely way to honour the historyof the of the brand and the
different models coming through here.
Fantastic ad, very good. Absolutely.
Yeah, it's it's probably, yes. Cracking ads, that one, that
was, you're right, David Honda could learn a thing or two from
that, from that commercial question #5 actually, and the
best thing about that, that commercial too, is that it

(01:05:03):
showed all the history of cars. It didn't show them their
modern, their modern, you know, cars.
It showed their rally pedigree. It showed what, you know, their,
their older stuff. It was it was a great ad
question #5 what vehicle featured in the commercial with
the song The message by Grandmaster Flash and the
Furious 5? Can you sing hum a few bars for

(01:05:25):
us, Matthew? Yeah, oh jeez.
OK, so to our listeners who are going to cringe severely at
this, don't push me 'cause I'm close.
To the air. Yeah.
Yeah, that's all I will say. I'm not going to say anything.
Rob, you, you, you, buzz in. I I can't remember it that.

(01:05:48):
Oh, can't remember it, Scotty. Does he in in the ad sing it?
He does in the car while driving.
He does, yeah. And Grandmaster, I'll tell you,
I'll give you a hint. So the, the the the the
character that's driving this said vehicle.
So this is this is 2 points. This question too, by the way,
is singing it. And then the camera pans and
Grandmaster Flash and the furious file like 1 member of

(01:06:10):
the furious 5 are in the, you know, wrapping along with him.
Yeah, in the. Back and he back.
Yeah. And then he pulls up to to his
house and he's singing it and the wife, just like you forgot
the eggs or the milk or something, isn't it?
So then he just keeps on singingas he goes back.
Scott. Scott.
Is it like a Hyundai Santa thing?
Incorrect. You're you're not.

(01:06:33):
You're not far off though, I'll give you that.
David Prince? No idea.
Think of your larger cars like Santa Fe.
I want to go Kia Rio or something.
I'll give you, I'll give you onepoint, Rob.
For Kia. It's Kia.
Yep, it is Kia. Carnival.
Incorrect. It is not the carnival.
So I think you've said Kirio Scotty, you said the Santa Fe

(01:06:56):
David, you said carnival. It was the Kia Sportage is what?
It was Sportage. Sportage for the sport.
Huggy, Sport Huggy. Question number six.
What feature? What feature, What vehicle
featured in the commercial? The song.
I can never say this word. Arin Arinoco Flow by Enya.

(01:07:18):
Some sort of toffee car of. Course.
It'd be something luxurious. Well, it's like it is kind of it
is what the model they featured was the top of the range
luxurious model in the in the inthe ad.
I know this song. I look at the ad.
You know, yeah, I just can't link them to the cars.

(01:07:40):
Obviously it doesn't work too well.
The market is not very good. We've heard too many more songs
over the years, haven't we? Wrong.
There's been too many I. Think we have just one too many?
You guys all out. You guys all out the.
Yeah, all out. Scotty, you're out.

(01:08:03):
Yeah, the Hyundai Santa Fe, the previous Gen, so that.
Was my guess for the last question.
Yeah, what's your guess for the last 1?
So that the kids were fighting outside after their soccer game?
Like punching on, we're not punching up, but like yelling at
each other severely. And then and then she's like
just get in the car and they getin the car and then like the the
piece of moment and sounds of when the song starts playing

(01:08:24):
like that, they try to tranquil themselves and that's that's
when it happens. Question #7 One of my all time
favourite ads, this one. What vehicle featured in the
commercial where the song Love Don't let me go by David Guetta
versus the egg featured? Think early to early to mid 2000

(01:08:45):
ish is this one. It was a pretty cool ad.
Let's try and think of the song.Love, don't let me go.
Yeah, I I've, I should have justjust played this.
You need to sample the songs. I I need to sample the songs I
should I should have I should have done that I'm going.
To have a guess, I'm going to guess it's a Ford.
It is not a Ford. Oh.

(01:09:06):
I thought 2000s. I thought that was your
ballpark. It is my wheelhouse, but it's
it's supposedly an. I want to go Rob.
I want to go Volvo. Volvo you're getting, you're
getting a lot warmer. It's in, it isn't a Europe is a
European car, but it's not, it'snot Scandinavian, but but it's
incorrect. David Guetta was from that way,

(01:09:26):
wasn't he? Up north.
He he is from. Yeah, he's from that.
He's from that way. I'm actually where's David
Guetta from? Is he?
I'll give you a hint. You guys want a hint?
I'll bring you all back in if you if you if you want a hint.
Yeah. All right.
David Guetta is French, so so, and that should be a hit because
the car is French. Oh.
There you go, there's only there's gonna be your four

(01:09:48):
brands. It's not Renner, it's incorrect.
David, Rob. David.
David got in there first. Citroen.
Citroen is correct for one point.
What's the model? I'll go.
I was the one that transformed. That's the ad I'm talking about.
That's the C. 4. C4 is correct.
Well done. So do do you guys remember the

(01:10:11):
robot ad? Like the car that transformed
and and it just like starts skiing on the snow and stuff?
That's that's that's yeah, I love that ad.
Another one of my favourite ads coming up.
What vehicle featured the commercial with the song Heaven
Is a Place on Earth by Raja Mushtaq featured not Belinda
Carlyle? No.

(01:10:33):
Yeah, well, they know Belinda Carlyle's version.
So it's quite a famous Indian Indian song.
Is a relatively new AD. No, it's similar time.
If not, it's a little bit earlier than the Citroen ad
early like early 2000s or late 90s.
Great ad. The company I think Reid did

(01:10:54):
this ad with with a later version of the of the car.
It's it's an iconic car commercial.
Crickets. OK, it's another French car.
Scott, Scott, is it Renault thistime?
Yeah. It's not Renault this time.
Rob. Rob, Rob.
Rob, Rob. Rob.
Rob. Rob, Rob, Rob.

(01:11:16):
Yeah, it is correct. Peugeot for one point, Rob for
another point. You guys, you guys know the
model? I don't know, I'll just go three
O 7. No, incorrect, David.
I'll. Go four O 6.
Incorrect Scotty for a model. Got nothing.
Those are the two that I was thinking of.
The two O 6 the elephant out when he gets the elephant, the
Hindustan ambassador yeah, it's the ad's called the sculptor

(01:11:42):
where he drives he drives ambassador and just crashes it
and and but he he makes his car look like a two O 6.
Question number 92 to go, gentlemen.
Score check. I'll give you guys a score
check. Scotty on 2, Robin 2.
David on five so far. So still anyone's game?
There's still anyone's game. Gentlemen question #9 what

(01:12:06):
vehicles? Vehicles do you get featured in
the commercial? The song Ready to Go by
Republica Scott is. That Ford.
Incorrect. Was not Ford.
Don't. Know the song, Don't.
Can't think at the end. What decade?
2000. OK.

(01:12:28):
All right. Rob, Rob Mitsubishi.
Incorrect, David. Never guess.
What did you guess? Scotty Ford.
Holden. It is Holden for one point,
Yeah, the Holden range, they hadthat.
The Holden range was ready to go.
That's when they're. This slogan was something go.

(01:12:50):
They had something in there in there in this slogan with that
go go with Holden or something. I think it was their slogan.
So question #10 what vehicle featured in the in the
commercial? So vehicle it's worth 2 points
as a question where the song Super Freak by Rick James
played. Oh yeah.

(01:13:11):
You should all know that I'm notgoing to.
I'm not going to be Rick. James No.
No, we can. See it for us if you like.
I'd rather not Scotty. Mike Jolt might jolt our memory.
Will it Rob? Freaky.
And what sort of what sort of car was it?
I picture a small car. It is a small car.

(01:13:32):
I'll give you a hint, it is a small car.
I'm just going to put it out there.
Rob, Rob, Rob. Was it a Holden Barina?
Absolutely, Rob. Well done.
Well, points to you Holden Barina.
There was a it was a it was a cartoon ad where the girl was
super freaky driving a hold on Barina.
Yeah. Here.

(01:13:52):
Yeah, that's correct. Yep, Yep.
Well done. Wow.
Well done. That's the end.
That's the end of the car quiz. I've.
Got a list of other songs that I've written down here that have
been featured in ads? Yeah, well, none of them came up
so. Well, you're gonna have to use
that for next week. David Prince that like, you can
do the quiz next week. How does that sound?
You're on. My.
Version came up that came straight to that one.

(01:14:15):
Yeah, I like. One thing just said, I was like,
yes. That is one of my all time
favourites as a cracking ad. Scotty on 2, Rob on four and
tonight's winner on a grand total of 6 is Mr. David Prince.
Well done. Thank.
You very. Much I thought that would that
mixed up a little bit with some with some music from car as I
think it was good. It was good.

(01:14:35):
Yeah, hard. Like that, it was harder than
last week I think. Yeah.
Who won last? Week it was.
Scotty won last week. Yeah, No, I didn't.
He did. Is that?
Yeah, you weren't in the tiebreaker.
Oh, that's right, yeah. Tiebreaker.

(01:14:55):
Yeah. We had about 15 questions
though. Yeah, we did.
Yeah, that. Was the tie, tie, tie, tie, tie,
tie, tiebreaker? Tiebreaker.
Can't wait for today. I think that's a podcast, you
know? Yes, I think so.
Yeah, that was that was good discussion, good fun tonight,
gents, David's wisdom. If you can, if you can hold onto

(01:15:17):
your head while all those aroundyou are losing theirs, you'll be
the tallest person in the crowd.Oh, nice one.
Really nice. Yeah, I like that.
That that's some good. That's some good wisdom.
Rob's doing it. Whatever you you need, he's
doing it. Firefighting, electrical
neighbour hating council punching on with sandblasting.
Board. Covering Renault.

(01:15:39):
Renault. Renault's at the moment.
Yep, Yep, he's your man. Rob's doing it.
Sorry, what's Renault's? What's that on this thing?
I'm doing my bedroom up, so I'm putting a feature wall in sort
of a lot of those thick curvy well.
I thought of Renault. I didn't sure about a Renault A.
Car Renault it's. Not the Renault.

(01:15:59):
He's he's, he's been there, donethat.
He's been there, done that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it didn't end well. No.
Scotty's golf tip of the week. Mine's more of a courtesy thing.
When you're out there playing golf, if you make any of those
divots and things, you know there's always a sand bucket

(01:16:20):
that you take with you. Please fill those with sand and
any ball marks, the dents that will happen when your ball lands
on the green. Just use your divot repairer and
go in there and fix it. Just be courtesy to other people
you know. Courteous would be nice.
Yeah, lovely. That's a great tip.

(01:16:40):
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