The Car Brands that will leave Australia in the next 5 years

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It's me, Maddie J, on the line with Mr. David Prince and Mr

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Scotty Doe Johnson and in studiowith the one and only Chad the
Bell. How are you guys?
Hello. Hello.
Really good. Thank you doing.
Good. Thank you very much.
Good to see you guys. Let's start with Chad.
Chad, you had the plague last week.
I did have the plague. I'm somewhat less plagued at the
moment. I think I've got the plague now.
Yeah, you. Yeah, somehow, maybe, I don't

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know, I transferred it to you, but I think the messenger, it's
the over messenger. It's the impossible because I've
seen you Bluetooth. Yeah, it's Bluetooth plague.
Yeah. I went down for a couple of days
and and then my voice was gone for a couple of days as well.
So I was just out of it and but now I'm better.
Now I've had a couple days off work and just R&R at home and

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yeah, good car updates. Yeah, man, car updates.
Let's crack on to straight to car updates.
I haven't really done anything on cars because I've been sick
for a little bit, but just before I got sick I did have a
lovely couple of gentlemen come by my house on a Saturday

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evening. Oh, on a Saturday evening.
On a Saturday evening and yeah, and these two gentlemen very
kindly dropped me off ATR Magna.And.
Executive So I now I'm the proudowner of a a very low kilometre

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silver champagne, silver champagne.
You put these cars brand new, what colour would that be
called? This is a test.
You'll get a bonus point if you can get this right and the and
the the quiz hasn't even happened yet.
I've got a feeling it was Stardust Silver.

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Possibly, but. I can tell you because I've got
the brochure over it. Well, I don't have any books for
it, unfortunately, but yeah, I would think let's have a look.
It's. Got the blue trim hasn't it?
That one. Yes, blue interior, blue dash.
Yeah, blue. And, well, they like, yeah, grey
seats. A lot of Smurfs.
No, I think the seats are blue too.

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I think they're probably just dusty.
That's it. That's the one.
Maddie just looked it up. Sorry, but I'm.
Trying to find what the name of the colour is, but yeah, I'll,
I'll, I'll get back to that. We'll we'll, we'll get the,
we'll get the name very shortly.But yeah, it's so tell us a bit
about the cast of Blue Interior.Like like what David said.
Yeah, it's a blue interior, Yeah, like full blue dash, blue

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door cards, everything. Yeah, like a bluey grey
interior, like seats. And there's a lot of blue.
I quite, I quite like it becauseit's just like it's
overwhelmingly blue. So a lot of.
Smurfs. A lot of Smurfs died for that
car I hate. Like it must have just been
falling into a grinder and then just getting their blue out and

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then they're like, yeah, just paint the whole interior Smurf
blue, Smurf blue. It's really cool.
I really like the interior of it.
And yeah, look, it's not the best presenting on the outside.
It's just had a a bit of a roughlife from the previous previous
owner and rail. Parking will do that.
What's that? Braille parking will do that.

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Oh yeah, it's very Braille. It's more it's like the most
pronounced Braille you could imagine.
Like it's just every panel has some sort of a mark or a scarf
or every bumper has a little, you know, nice, caved in little
bit here and there. But what's amazing about it is
how low the kilometres are, which it's currently sitting at

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53,000 kilometres from new. As far as far as I can tell it
does has not had a a cluster swap or anything like that.
53,000 K is from Yeah yeah interior is mint you.
Say like interior is quite nice for its age.
Yeah, well, only because that hasn't had that many bums
sitting in it, obviously, but it's more that how much you

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drive the car will obviously affect the interior.
Then the interior definitely feels like it's got 53,000 K on
it. OK.
And yeah, like it's rough in parts.
It's got a couple of broken little bits here and there, but
it's just, you know, plastic, you know, over 30 years or so.
So that's pretty expected. But yeah, look, it's, you know,

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it's not bad. It's it'll definitely get there.
Just needs a little bit of love on the outside, a little bit of
love on the paint and a couple of panels to be straightened out
and I, I think it's going to present pretty well actually
afterwards, yeah. So yeah, we'll definitely get
there. So.
What's the story behind the car so like?
So you got it from our friends Ed and Thomas.

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Yes. So Ed put me on to Thomas.
Thomas bought this car. It's not my dog, by the way, it
says. Thomas.
Yeah, sorry, Different Thomas. No other Thomas.
Thomas the Magna not. Quite as furry, Yeah, sure.
Yeah. So he bought this car from a
gentleman who had got it from his neighbour, I believe, who

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was who deceased. And the car came through a
deceased site. And so he ended up purchasing it
because it was his neighbours and he knew the car and whatnot.
Yeah. And so the first owner of the
car was, yeah, the the elderly gentleman who ended up passing
away. And that was kind of meant to be

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his last car ever, which obviously it was for him as
well. So, you know, apparently I think
he drove it for 20 odd 1000 kilometres before the change of
ownership. And you saw this guy who took
the car from the Caesar site, hedrove it 30,000 or so kilometres

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and he destroyed every panel. He really, yeah.
He really did a number on it. He really, it feels like the car
has done 253,000 kilometres. Like it's, it's just, it's got
that age look to it on the outside.
It's kind of has had no love whatsoever from, you know, paint
wise or being careful of, you know, hitting things.

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He's, he's literally ran into everything he's ever seen.
I believe everything he's ever come through is, you know, in
front of him and his eyes tappedit.
And yeah, so and then Thomas bought the car off this
gentleman. And so he was going to have that
car ready for Magna Fest towardsthe end of the year.
And then Thomas then found a better student candidate for

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himself, I think more of a modelthat he wanted, maybe a tee I
think he went for. Yeah, Verada, he picked.
Up Verada. Oh yeah, OK, the KK.
AJEAKJKU EE or KF might be. Yeah, so he, you know, passed it
along and he gave me a couple ofextra bits and pieces to go with

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her. A new battery tile light that
had been smashed and a new one to replace with it.
And yeah, so yeah, he also very kindly dropped it off to my
house, which is very nice. He went.
The car was stored in Bendigo orBallarat, I can't remember.
I think it was Bendigo. And then yeah, next.
Delivery is always a handy thing.

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And delivery included, the priceI paid for it is pretty
incredible. I'm very, I'm very happy with
the value. And yeah, no, it's, it's now.
It's just sitting at the moment,but I will be getting to start
working on it very shortly. Your question, yeah, Is it a
factory air car? Yes, it has factory air.
So it doesn't have a. Hole.

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No, it doesn't have the hole in the dash.
It has the full button, including the knob or the yeah,
they had sorry. Yeah, it's a knob.
And yeah, it has the the full air con to go with it, which is
nice. Does it work?
I haven't actually tested it. I haven't tested it.
I hope it does. Every magnet that's that we

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purchased for this for this trip, the question will be
asked, does it have air and it and it and it will be based upon
David's Prince that David Prince's Wait, wait.
Yeah, yes. Yes.
Factory air, manual windows unpainted.
Bumpers unpainted. I love that spec.
Yeah, it's a very, it's a very base spec, but base spec with
air con, which, yeah, is respectful.

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Oh, Steer power steering. Yeah, Yeah.
So it's an exec, isn't it? It's an exec, that is correct.
Yes. So the GLX, there was a cheaper
one. The the the.
GLX. Still under it, Yeah.
That's the no air, no power. No, well, the the air was still
optional on the executives, but I think it was standing on the S
ES, but the I don't think power steering and it oh, there's a

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couple of there's also electric mirrors.
Yes. Electric mirrors?
Yep. Yeah, GLX, no electric mirrors
like there's there's literally 4things I think that are
different on it, but it was justthinking about how.
How little they offered in termsof.
Comfort. Yeah, Well.
Until you stepped up to a variety, obviously that it was a

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whole different world, but yeah.It's like that meme of like
you've got your, you know, your,your exec and you're looking
down on all the GLX guys and youturn around and there's like a
there's like an elite in an SEA and you're like, you're getting
really scared. Yeah, yeah.
Interesting in the in the when they put the V6 they got a few
more bits and pieces because ours is AV six.

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Oh yeah, manual, but it picked up a height adjustable driver's
seat and lumbar support. Oh.
That's cool. Yeah.
And is, is that because of the V6?
Was that? Was that because it's all well?
It was only I I think when they bought the V6 out it because the
normally you had to go to the Verada.
So the the the V6 came out only in the executive.
You couldn't get a A when it first came out.

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You couldn't get AV6 in the SE to the TS I'm pretty sure.
I think they're VRV 6 SES. This is Uber geek for everyone.
Yeah, I'm. I'm all aboard.
So it, yeah, they, the, the, theV6 exec was only available or

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the V6 engine in the TR was onlypart of an update.
And so they, it actually got the, the elite fabric.
So the Brentwood fabric they called it.
So the early TRS had this, had this really nice sort of cut,
cut pile, velour sort of interior.
So the V6 execs got that, they got the lumbar support and the

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height adjusted seat. Andrew Rulesworth be screaming
because he'll go and this and this and this and this.
Yeah, yeah. Actually I actually have the
brochure right here of the V6 execs.
What year is your car chat? I believe it's a 92. 92 OK.
OK. Yeah.
So. Yeah, ours is 90. 3.
Is it a lump is sorry David, I just want to check with the

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colour. Is it a lumbar?
A lumbar silver Pearl? Is it the colour?
Nope. Oh, OK.
I I want my point. It's starter silver.
It is starter. OK, there you.
Go. Oh nice.
Unbelievable starter Silver withblue Carlson trim.
I call it Carlson. That's the one, Yeah.
Yeah, that'll be us, yeah. Carlson.
So, so that's all right. So.

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So the guy clearly didn't care who owned it.
Yeah, he really didn't. But mechanically, is it good?
Yeah, yeah, it seems to look. Unfortunately there's no books,
but looking at it immediately itneeds a valve cover gasket,
which is probably not the last. 30 years of that's pretty easy.
You know, on and off driving here and there.
So I think everything else I mean the engine Bay looks apart

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from the oil around the the rocket cover.
It looks very clean like it it's, it's definitely, you know,
representative of 30 sorry, 53,000 kilometres of you know,
trouble so. Does it have a service sticker
on the windscreen at all? Does, but it doesn't say the Oh
actually no. I think it might say 60,000

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doesn't have a date though unfortunately that's.
OK, is it that the the name of the?
Workshop No, it's an oil, but I,yeah, I I'm believe it.
Yeah, it's six. It says 60,000 and no doubt
unfortunately and yeah, it it's yeah, just the oil brand.

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But Tom very kindly did do do doan oil and felt strange before
he brought it down. To Melbourne.
So yeah, I, yeah, unfortunately there's not much I can do, I
think, to find the history of the car.
Yeah, because it's been pretty big on.
It, Yeah. I mean, look, I knew it came
from Heidelberg Mitsubishi. Yeah.

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Oh, there you go. I don't.
Seem to exist anymore though. Do they?
Well, yeah. They did up until not long.
They they did up until not that long ago.
OK, maybe I might be able to tryand get in contact with who
bought the dealership and if they've got the, if they've got
the service records for, I don'tknow how long it might go back.
But yeah, it's it does. It's got the Heidelberg

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Mitsubishi no play cover and it's got the sticker on the back
window that looks like it's being taken off at one point and
then put back on because it's a bit crinkly.
Unless it's just shrivelled up over time.
Yeah, that's. Good.
But yeah, that's OK. Yeah, that's as like.
We'll piece that piece that piece it together.
Yeah. So it might be interesting to
try and find find the life of itand.

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See. What's happened to it, you know,
over it's life. But so far so good and so far
I'm quite happy with how the caris and you know, for the price
of you really can't complain with how it is so.
I know I can help you with organising a velvet cover
gasket. Yep, Yep, I is sitting next to
me I think right now. Possibly.

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And, and, and that that that afternoon we'll give it a clean
up. Yeah.
And that sounds like it could help fix the broken plastic
beef. Yep, that that that's a yes.
Special yes. And I learned how to do rocket
cover gaskets from a good friend, Rob, who helped me,
who's just joined us. He helped me with the Ltd that
time. Rob that was that was that was a
good time. He hated that car.

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Sounds like most of us did. Rob, Rob, we can't quite hear, I
think your your mic's off. But yeah, so so that's Magna.
What else is happening with? Yeah, no, everything else has
kind of been every. All the cars have been working,
so I've been driving all of themhere and there.
Nice to just come in here and there again, taking her to work

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and yeah, nice. No overheating.
Perfect. No overheating.
No, it's amazing. Yeah.
So Ratner did a bang up job and yeah, yeah, I had a service on
the I-30 a couple weeks ago and yeah, just regular.
I've got ties due in about 5000,K's to get a set and everything
else seems to be really good. So there's no other recalls

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needed to be done and all the all the bits and yeah, it's all
in check. So yeah, I've been, yeah, very
lucky in the car department recently.
So I think it's. Good to hear Scotty Doe.
Nothing too exciting car wise, just trying to think what I've
done. Oh, I did find for the R31 that

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there's a company that does quite a bit of 3D printing.
Yeah, cool. And I can get the little volume
circle knobs for the back, the 3D print ones.
So they make those so they fit on there nicely.
So I'll probably look at buying those ones.
And then where I've got the gearshifter and everything in the

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middle, they do a whole new piece there.
So not only is it the centrepiece where the gear stick
is for a manual, but you get brand new metal clips because
the original we used plastic clips.
So most of them are broken on majority of people's mine mine I
think has like 2 two that are broken but still sits there kind

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of nicely but it looks fairly worn and brand new shifter like
leather boot to go with it as well.
That actually sits up there because mine kind of sags and
has fallen. But I don't know if I can really
comprehend 270 dollars. Oh, OK.

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She's pretty steep. Just the.
Maybe, maybe if it was like these little final touches that
I wanted to do, like if it was the end final touch or
something, then I could maybe comprehend 270.
So Scott, is this the printed piece for the for the gear
shifter? Yeah, the the outer plastic
piece that sits in do. You do you know where the file

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is? Because if you if you have a
file, I know a guy. Yeah, I don't.
Think he? Probably, yeah.
I wish I did, but I'd say they'dhold it close to their heart at
the moment. For that much with everyone they
get. Have a look on Yagi and stuff
like that. Yagi and Thingiverse that it
might have been done and someonemight have put them up there.
So just so just just have a sauce.

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Will do. So yeah, just looking at that
and I think that's that's about it.
I haven't really done much car wise.
I was watching something at the moment.
I assume it's probably going to go for too much.
I don't know much about this company, but I'm going to post
it in here in the chat, someone there.

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It is valuable in Victoria. It's like a an auction house.
I'm not really fan of auctions oh that much anymore, but
there's still tonnes of days. I don't know what it would end
up. I just don't know too much about
them to really know what is an appropriate price.

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Well, 100 bucks is a very appropriate price right there.
It's currently. It's currently at what?
A nice. Looking girl it, it looks good.
It looks in really good nick. Yeah, the interior and that
looks fantastic as well, so. So this is an R30 Skyline Rs.
It's. $4.00 yeah, with the with the FJF.

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J20. FJ20 here.
Which is it looks in pretty good, good condition.
So yeah, I don't mind that. Yeah, I'll watch it and see what
happens, but I just, I got nothing to gauge it on.
Like I wouldn't have a clue where these even start.

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Or anything is there any online?No, I was.
I was looking. All I could find was Japanese
R30 ones and stuff. Geez, they had gone up.
Yeah. The biggest one's like 40 grand.
For not for an R31. Yeah, for a Japanese version,
R31. Yeah, Jesus.
Christ Wild. Ridiculous, but I don't think

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these ones were as popular so. I just noticed that that this
thing's got, well, it probably doesn't work, but adjustable
suspension like like hard and soft setting and this is back in
the early 80s. That's crazy.
So it looks really nice. It does, yeah.
It's still got plenty of days, but I'll just, I'll just slowly
watch and kind of gauge what they what they're worth, what

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they go for. Yeah, good idea.
It's available in Victoria, so yeah, you're judging.
By the judging by the club plates that it's showing, it's
been on club plates for about 7 or 8 years, I'd say.
Yeah, OK, yeah. So it's, you know, not, not
something that's been in the country 5 minutes.

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No, no, it's been, looks like it's been here a long time and
looks to be quite, quite a good nickname.
So yeah. So is it the?
Interior in that sort of burnt orange sort of colour.
They are 30. It also comes comes with the
wing mirrors too if you want to put them on.
That's cool. Yeah.
So it's interesting. I wonder.
Yeah, I've got to do a bit more searching to get a rough idea

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how much they'd end up going for.
Or is it really that exceptionally rare that there's
not that many? I know that they made these in a
2 door. That was even more rarer in
Japan. But yeah, a 4 door 1.
I mean, I couldn't even say thatI've really seen one at any car

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shows that I can think. Of here the not not this one,
obviously, but they did sell yeah, in a sedan and a hatch.
Later on, yeah, they did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you. Know.
I'll keep my eyes on it and I'lllet you all know on what happens
if I find any others that pop upto gauge on prices.

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Sounds good. David Prince.
Car updates with me. Did a great pub run on the
weekend and through started at Pakenham and ended up at Phillip
Island through some of those back roads through the
Strasleckis and stuff, which wasreally, really great.
Had 18 cars. We had everything from a from an

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NSX to a 1981 Accord sedan. So it was like a quite a variety
of cars, which was great. Yeah.
What else have they done? Yesterday I went around to a
neighbour's place who they've lived, lived in the court.
We've been here 30 something years.
They've lived here probably 25 plus and she has a car they're

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looking at at consolidating. They've, they've, they've got
another house through an inheritance and they're, they're
tossing up what to do with the, the places that they've got in
our court. And she has a car in the garage.
Long and involved story. I won't get into it here.
Lovely girl. She has a car in the garage that
she hasn't driven for 20 years, but it is still currently

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registered and insured. Oh my God.
That she's paid the red zone, the insurance on it all that
time just to be, you know, in case in case she drove it again.
Won't be going far at the momentbecause it's got 4 flat tyres,
but it's an 88 Honda Accord SI sedan, sunroof, the two litre

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injected engine, white with the the the famous 80s interior, jet
blue everywhere. It's got the club lock on it so
it's not going anywhere. She appears to have misplaced
the keys so I'm going around again tomorrow afternoon to try

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and get into it. I can see it's the 97,000 KS Oh.
My. God it's got 4 tyres that are
completely flattered. Pancakes.
So yeah, difficult to know what like the cost that car going,
you know, is probably 3 or 4 grand maybe, you know, and I

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reckon you could spend a lot more than that getting it back
on the road, which is so I don'tknow, don't know which way it'll
go. We'll, but I'll, I'll help them
clear the, the paths to get that's right down the back of
the garage. So there's a whole whole shed of
stuff in front of it as well. So but being covered in blankets

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all this time, you take move theblanket and the paint's like
glass. It's like brand new.
So potentially it's going to be a really lovely example.
Yeah. But yeah, we'll have to see what
happens with with it. But so that was interesting.
And I bought a mini yesterday. Oh.
What? What?
A mini? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. You know, sometimes things just
get put under your nose and you just can't, can't, can't resist
them, so. We're we're talking like an
original mini or are we talking?No the the new generation.
Yep. Yep.
So I was walking, I was in the Glenferrie Rd in Malvern and
there was a there's a salvos there and I walked in and

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sitting there is a 1/6 scale mini that's huge.
The thing is 60 centimetres long.
It's. Like.
And it was 10 bucks, so I said you.
Just would. It's coming home with me that
bright red. It's got the Union Jack on top.
I'll send a photo around. It's it's a really, it's

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obviously been a remote control one at some stage and and it's
got suspension and and everything, but it looks like a
mini. It doesn't look like a, you
know, a a sort of cheap cheap. On.
Control thing. So I've never seen them before.
Never never seen one for sale oranything.
Yeah, it was 10 bucks. So I thought, right, well, I'll
have that. I've I've got a shed that that

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that might live in at my place. That.
A percent? Really.
Got us with that. I'm not completely crazy, Chad.
I would have bought a real one. They needed the suspensionary
done pretty much on them from you.
Didn't they just get shooed out?They did, but funky car.

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They were a funky car, but yeah,I think that's my updates for
now. Lovely.
Rob, can you hear us? I can hear you.
Can you hear me? Absolutely.
Loud and clear, Loud and clear. Had to put the speaker on a my
earphones on. Don't know why the speaker's not
working. That's all right.
Anyway, updates. With how are you, first of all,
and updates with you. Oh.
Just been busy, busy. Don't know what but just been

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busy. Scotty's wants you to know.
Just be careful that watch out, there's a Mustang behind you.
Yeah, watch out. They're known to hit people.
Yeah, they just feel the Mustangs.
Show at the moment. Mustang spin, yeah, they just
lose control. You're just planning a little
bit and the whole back end twisthas got rear wheel steering like
the Honda has, but you can't control it.

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Rob, is it turns on the load? Yeah.
Is this ask me if I know kind ofquestions?
Yeah, just don't tell me. I know I already.
It's all right. Yeah.
So not what have I been doing, just changing tyres on cars, the
swap and rotating tyres for the son in law's car.
My son's car has got to keeps ongetting a flat so I'm the tie

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man this week is. That the C63.
No, he's Amrock. Oh geez.
OK. Yeah, for some reason the tyre
just kept on going. On you it.
Shouldn't need new tyres. Oh, it's.
Two years old now and it. Needs 2 tyres.
Well, no, it just kept on going flat on one tyre, but we
couldn't find anything wrong with it.
Like I can't couldn't see a nailin it or anything like that but

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just a slow leak. Yeah, yeah, shit.
So don't know. So did that I could write a nice
letter to Ford Australia today. I thought I'd sort of give them
back. What?
What did you say? Oh, it's very, very polite that
my car has only been in there four times for various warranty
claims and it's still not fixed.Yeah, so we'll see if I get any

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outcome or result. Yeah, it's a diff, still making
a noise. But I'm not happy with the
gearbox because after they gave me the loan car, when you drive
that and put into reverse, for starters, the gear shifts,
clicks into reverse, unlike mine, it pops out of reverse all
right. And then my cousin do when he
built it. Like like, yeah, he must have

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been. Yeah, I'll be there next month,
so I'll ask. Him, if you could ask him
please, because I don't know what they did.
My car must have been built on aFriday night shift or something
like that. They might have been on drinks
or something or yeah, don't know.
But and and there's a slip, there's slippage in the gearbox
so it takes a while for it to take up before it will start to
move. Jeez.
When it's cold, once it warms up, it's OK.

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And, and it just, this seems to be a lot more, a lot of backlash
compared to the one they get theloan card that they gave me in
the whole driveline. And, and I think if they did
change the DF, I don't think they did because it's still just
as noisy as it was. They should have marked it
anyway. That's another story, but there
tends to be a vibration, so whether they've taken the tail

(29:01):
shaft off and didn't put it backon properly or whatever, it
just, it just doesn't seem right.
I don't know if I'm just imagining things or or what.
Seeing that There's been so manythings that went wrong with it.
We're just at a point where I'm just not happy with it and I
just want to get rid of it. Yeah.

(29:21):
So that's where I'm at, I mean. How many days?
Have you got an A triple C case?That's something.
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, how many days off the road has
it been? About 2 1/2, almost three
months. Well, in in your home ownership,
Yeah, yeah. In a in a year in it's coming on
two years in next month. There is lemon laws, right?

(29:43):
So there's something to do. There's something to be done.
Yeah. I think unless it's a
catastrophic or whatever you want to call it sort of failure,
they won't replace it. The gearbox has to be that to
that point where it's going to fail before they'll replace it.
That's rubbish, Rob. That is, that is, yeah.

(30:04):
And but why is it taking so long?
It's ridiculous. Well, every time I take it, you
know, it's just me. Like I, I had it for two weeks
now. I've driven it up and down,
seeing if a bit in get quieter. Nothing's changed.
So now I'm going to have to ringhim up again, go back again and,
and it's just like you get to a point where you go, is it me or
is it them, you know, like and and you just get tired of it.

(30:28):
And I'm thinking, you know, maybe you know, if I could flog
it off, I'll flog it off if not.Have you tried a different
dealership taking it to them? I'm not sure you're going to
start the whole process again. They've they've got the history
now at Bayford's, you know, do Iwant to be taking it to the

(30:49):
other flogs down the road in mountain there?
Not necessarily. Essendon's not much better.
So, you know, you're sort of struggling to find a dealer
that's responsible and and do the right thing by her.
So when you first got the car itit wasn't that noisy was it?
The diff was quiet. No, it wasn't that it, it was
well, it wasn't as noticeable and until the one day my mate

(31:15):
goes, jeez, you got a real bad diff noise in this car.
I go, yeah, I thought that was just normal.
It's Nah. And over a period of time it
progressed to a point where it was worse and then I took the
barrier away between the front and back.
Then you could really hear it. Yeah.
We are so that that was taken down, but I thought, you know

(31:37):
what, I'll drive it. It's only got 10,000 KS on it.
It's not like it's, you know, really been running too well.
So I thought, you know, I'll letit drive.
But this is at about the first time I had a different place.
It was about 6000 K right. And then now it's it's go on
touching on 11,000 K and it's had the different place to
supposedly the second time about1000 K ago or maybe 2000 K ago

(32:03):
and it's still making that noise.
So have you? Looked at the forum to see if
that's like a common theme otherpeople having this issue.
I haven't. I know there's wheel bearing
issues and they've replaced a wheel bearing on it when they
last replaced the diff apparently, Yeah.
So there's a wheel bearing that has been replaced since there's

(32:26):
a squeak in the steering column when you turn a steering.
When you get standard, you can hear it squeaking and squealing
like it's only minor, but you can hear it.
And I'm, I reckon I'm partially deaf and I can hear it.
So imagine someone who's got good hearing.
Yeah, it's just disappointing. The whole car.

(32:49):
The drives are high if you ignore the bit of the vibration,
the diff noise. You know, you said the rattle in
the door which they fixed the first time and then I went down
a corrugated road and it came back.
So I pulled the whole door card apart and went through and sort

(33:10):
of checked everything and make sure all the components are away
from not touching anything. And then I put some Detinor in
there as well and that seemed tohave stopped the rattling on the
general roads. But I haven't taken down a
corrugated Rd yet to find out. Yeah, it's just yeah.
In general the car is pretty average unfortunately.
That's really disappointing because it.

(33:31):
Yeah, it would have been a pretty good car I think, if you
just didn't have the, you know, the diff, mainly the diff issue.
I can probably put up with the gearbox slipping when it's cold.
No, you shouldn't. You shouldn't put off on.
A brand new car. It shouldn't be an.
Issue right? There should be no noises coming
from it. Yeah, you're no issues.

(33:52):
Yeah, anyway, I've reached out to Ford Australia, told them
I've attacking them back numerous times since it's been
off the road for, you know, several months, and I'll see
what they come back with. Yeah, we'll watch this bad,
Yeah. So that's me.
Updates with me. So I was with Ford as well.
I got my Fiesta serviced. They gave me a loaner car.

(34:14):
They're like it's your three year 305000K service and I've
done 10,000 KS and and they're like, they're like, Oh well, we
have to do a brake fluid flush. I'm like the car's done 10,000
KS like it it, it doesn't need it.
And they're like, well, you know, according to, you know,
it's either three years with this, it's due for that.

(34:36):
I'm like, OK, sure, you know, whatever.
But they gave me a oh, before I get to that, they, they said our
next service is due for plugs. I'm like at 15,000 KS.
It'll be due for plugs. Oh, so you know it's 50,000
guys. It's all like like OK mate, no
worries. Sure, but we'll cross that
bridge when we when we get to they'd.

(34:57):
Be using like Iridium ones, Wouldn't they though A. 100%,
yeah, absolutely. So you wouldn't even change them
anyway like. No, they even if it's 1000 days
or something out there, Yeah. I think it's just, I think it's
Ford just doing 4 things. So the car's great.
I've got, I've got no issues with it, which is I feel bad for
you, Rob, because you've had, you've had a bit of a bit of a

(35:19):
bad run. But I, yeah.
So they gave me a loan car, which was, which surprised me
what they gave me. They gave me a a Mustang Mark
EGT, which is at the top of the range.
Like that's wild. It's huge.
Yeah. So like 3 seconds to 100, you
know, quick, like quick quick car.

(35:41):
They're just all they had in stock.
I got there right. And, and that they had they had
together the loaners line up there was like a, it was like a,
it was a couple of escapes. And I'm like, I probably get an
escape like I did last time. Anyway, all the escapes are
going. I'm like, OK, there's a Ranger.
I'm like a Ranger. That Ranger goes and I'm like,
OK, I'm a next in line. They're like, and I give my keys
and they're like, I'll see you. And I'm like, I asked for a loan

(36:02):
and they're like, oh, no, it's what you did too.
Oh yeah, you've got the, you've got the, the, the Mustang today.
I'm like child thought I was getting like a like a new, like
a new VM. I see.
And then they bring it around and like, Oh no, it's this one.
I'm like, Oh my God. So So it's a Grabber blue GT.
It's out of all the EVs I've been in and driven, it's the one
that feels most like a car. Yeah.

(36:24):
Right. I, I can't believe I'm saying
this and it's taking every fibreof my being not to, but like, I
kind of liked it. I thought it was all right and
then I interesting felt the power and my God, like it just
it just rips your face off the like the instant the instant

(36:44):
talk. So then I picked up Steph after
work from the city to go, you know, like I'll pick you up,
then we'll go, we'll go pick up my car.
And then I scared her and she's like, she's like, this is
ridiculous. What is?
What is this? It was.
Witchcraft. Yeah, It was a sorcery, man.
So it was. It was quite literally one of
the quickest cars I've I've beenin.

(37:05):
The system was good. The quality felt good for an
American car. It was, it was good.
It was, it was. It was a lot better than I
expected it to be. Did that make you fill it up
before you get back? No2.
Hours before you. Get back and I had it in like
performance boat the whole time.Yeah, I was just like, you may

(37:26):
as well like it. It's it, it ripped like it was.
I couldn't believe how quick I was off off the mark and and at
lunchtime I took it out. I took took my mate Kevin out
like we'll we'll go get lunch and and your thing is.
We won't be long. We won't be long.
Yeah. Anyway, he had his, he had his,
he had his sunglasses here. And they ended up in the
backseat. Like I said.

(37:47):
What the hell? So yeah, he he he was like, he's
like, dude, if you owned this car, you would not have a
licence. I'm like, you're right.
It's a bad idea. So, so yeah, that that was my,
that was my experience with the with the Mustang marquee
technology wise, it was really good.
Range. Range was good.
Yeah, it was fine. It just felt like a normal car

(38:08):
really. And I guess that's probably the
thing I liked about it the most.It just, it just, it didn't feel
like an EV. It just felt like a car, which
was. Was it making any like fake
sounds or anything like that? Like it gives you like a little
bit of like a like as you as yougo up.
And it wasn't really anything. Yeah, yeah.
You couldn't even hear it with the with the music.

(38:29):
Yeah. Playing.
But yeah, that was, it was surprisingly good.
I kind of liked it. Surprised me.
But then I should like it. It's $100,000.
Car so it doesn't always go handin hand.
That is a lot of yeah, it is. I mean, that's, I mean, then
again that is a top spec like they started about 60.
So they're like twin engine and so drill engine.
That was a drill engine, bigger range.

(38:50):
Yeah. Performance, all that stuff.
Yeah. Well, but yeah, that, so it
surprised me. It was, it was good.
So, so Rizz, you're on to something with your EV stuff and
then that'll come. That'll come to to what we're
talking about later Then. What else have I done with cars?
Gave the laser clean because it had it's winter coat and it was

(39:10):
just annoying me. So I gave it a wash and I think
that's pretty much it on my car front.
Well, actually, Matt, yes, did you end up looking at that Camry
or not? Next month, next Monday, I've
kind of booked in to see it. Stephanie, if you're listening,
I haven't done that. Just bibs.

(39:33):
It's it's, yeah. No, it's.
He's looking at it for me. OK, Steph, it's for me.
It's a Car Talk car. It's a company car.
It is a company car. It is the company car.
Crowdfunded. Crowdfunded car took top tip.
Don't do this. That's that's your that's your

(39:54):
car took top tip of the of the week.
But yes, I've spoken to the guy had.
To ask, Scottie had to ask. It's really interesting.
Spoken to the guy seems pretty seems like a pretty genuine car.
So going to go and see it on a Monday I think that is now
that's officially ended my Oh nosorry.

(40:14):
I did a car related thing. So I was 6 or I got pretty sick
Friday and then Saturday came along and rizz invited me to go
to the electric. What was it called?
The electric EV show, The EV motor show.

(40:35):
And so I, you know, I went, I went along.
I only, I was only there for like probably an hour because
like I was borderline on death'sdoor.
And I got to see Riz. He was, I kid you not, a
freaking superstar. Like random members of the
public were coming after you. Oh, your risk.
And they sort of started talkingabout the EV space.
Like it blew my mind. So.

(40:58):
So yeah, he introduced me to a few people, people that you
know, David Prince. I got to meet Byron, who's been
on your show. Oh, Matthew.
Yeah, Matthew, I guess, yeah, he, he was a nice guy and got to
meet all the, all the people there in, in the cars guide, you
know, crew and all, all other people from different brands.
And he was showing me around some of the cars and some of the

(41:18):
things and he's doing big things.
So if you want a professional inthe EV space, you know, Rizzi
Ross is your man for that. So I just wanted to say proud of
you, Riz, You've, you've done a great job.
You know, he was on speaking panels and everything.
He was he completely like, you know.
Is that why he's abandoned? It is Manny.
It's because he's always in Shanghai and Guangzhou places,

(41:39):
you know, Hong Kong and all these other places in the world.
His social credit's very good. Very good, very good.
So but he but he's working hard so good work to you, my friends
and we'll we'll you know, we'll he'll be on the show at some
point very soon. So, yeah, that was my car
updates generally. Now the topic for tonight I want

(42:01):
to talk about is before I get toit, I want to preface this with
going to the automotive, you know, the EV automotive show on
the weekend. There are there was AQ and a
questions that were being asked.And the questions that were
being asked were, you know, where do you see some, all these
new brands that were there like Geely and Zika and, and all

(42:24):
these, you know, brands that I had never even heard of that
that, that were there, to be honest with you.
And they're like, well, if any, if, if the figures are showing
what's happening, they're going to take over the legacy brands
like what MG is doing, like whatBYD is doing, like what Tesla's
doing. So go be thinking, which of our
legacy brands have out of commasdo we think are going to be here

(42:44):
within the next five years? Like, like, well, which ones are
going to go? Because it's looking pretty
scary for a select few, which isweird to say.
Like, and we'll talk before the show when I was introducing the
topic, you know, Honda springs to mind, which is just like, if
you said this to me 10 years ago, that Honda is possibly on
the way out of Australia, I would have laughed at you.
I would have said your mate, whatever crack you're on, get

(43:06):
off it. Because like that is, you know,
it would be unheard of. But having said that, here we
are, you know, today and we've, we've had this chat about it,
but it's not just them, it's a few other companies that I think
are in, you know, in, in, in comparison, in this space are
in, in a bit of trouble now. The legacy car brands or the
brands inverter commas. I hate that word.
Legacy car brands like it, it, it, it just makes it, it really,

(43:29):
it's really not, you know, I, I don't think it's the proper way
to say it's, it's this, I'd say established car brands.
Yeah. I was going to say, I haven't
heard that that term before and I, I was going to get you to
clarify exactly what it was, butthat's what you mean.
It's mean it's established car brands that have been sold in.
Yeah, correct. The well known I've been around
for 100 years at some point, youknow.

(43:51):
Yeah. And there will be legacy brands
once they're gone. Yeah, correct.
Yeah, because like because when I when I was at that show, like
they just kept saying legacy brands, legacy brands, legacy.
I'm like, I know I had to kind of figure it out, but, but
basically this is your from May,this is your your deliveries,
right. So Toyota on top 23,576, Ford

(44:13):
2nd place 8400 and 6499.9% ranges.
Mazda seven 7845 which is which which surprised me.
Kia 6 is only 7000. Hyundai 6 1/2 or over 6 1/2
Mitsubishi 4 1/2 Isuzu 4200 GWM Tesla, MG, Subaru, BYD, BMW,

(44:36):
Nissan. So that's kind of like your
your, your top few. Then there's Cherry Volkswagen,
Benz, Lexus, Suzuki, Honda, Audi, LDV, Lana, Rima, Porsche,
Volvo, etcetera, etcetera. Geely, you know, then they then
they just go, go, go, go. Go year to date to mate.
This is this is currently so that's made, made deliveries.

(44:56):
That's just made, deliveries made.
Deliveries, yeah. So it's interesting that in the
top top ten, if this was like this top ten, you know, I mean
GWM sitting wait, 123-4567 eighth 8th, Tesla 9th, MG 10th.
If you would have told me those those three brands, GWM, Tesla
and MG would have been in the top ten 3-4 years ago, I would

(45:19):
have said not a chance. Yeah, especially.
GWM Oh, like, like they've, they've come out of nowhere, you
know, but and it's, it's, I mean, fair credit to them.
They've said that they want market dominance and they're
coming in for it and they're andthey're doing a good job at it.
And BYD is above them, isn't it?BYD is was just was 2 below
them. So there was still there was MG

(45:39):
Subaru then BYD, but that kind of fluctuates.
So again again, that's deliveries that's that's that's
out the door cars, you know, in in the last month.
So it's it's an interesting kindof Ledger, I'd say, because what
surprised me is, is Mazda being so high up.
But I guess they they sell cars based on name.

(46:01):
And I think that's Toyota does that as well with, you know,
with, with their reliability andtheir dealership network and and
all that stuff. But I still think that, you
know, Despite that their share of the cake is going to be
somewhat be taken still probablynot Toyota as much because
Toyota, but you know, your otherbrands, your Ford, your yeah,

(46:24):
what's it called? Your Mazda, your Kia, your
Hyundais, your Mitsubishi's. Like these companies are going
to slightly, you know, start to,you know, I think going to get
their their share in because there's from what I saw at this
car show, like like, and and I'mnot, and I'm not exaggerating
here. Like there was brands I'd never
even heard of 1/2. They're just flooding the market

(46:45):
and they do not care. Like it's just like, Yep, we're
selling cars here now that that's how it is.
And they were saying an interesting stat, like during
the during the presentation, it was like they forgot what, what
company was it? Was it BYD, Like BYD said like
when they first started here that they were going to, they
were going to aim to, to be top ten.

(47:07):
And now, and everyone laughed atthem and, and they said we're
going to top, we're going to be top ten in, in a year's time,
though in three years time, thiswas when they started and then
nearly there. Yeah.
And they have been, they'll be in and out.
So they said they'll be, they'regoing to be top 10, but now, but
then they said three years ago, they're going to be top three.
And from all accounts, it's going to happen.
So this is, this means like the leaders, like Honda, like

(47:31):
Suzuki, Subaru, you know, even the Koreans are like, you know,
I mean, Nissan's in the middle of bloody nowhere down below,
You know, the fact that cherriesabove Volkswagens just blown my
mind. You know, it's, it's, it's like,
and I'm not talking about Benzesand Lexus and stuff like that,
because like they're more of a niche, you know, like they're

(47:51):
expensive cars and Land Rovers, whoever keeps buying them a
bunch of idiots. But the, the like, the fact that
Gilly now Gilly has been around for what, 5 minutes and they've
sold and they're already in, in the, you know, in the top 20,
top 25 and there was 511 deliveries.
They sold more than many last last month.
You know, that's, you know, your, your Renos, your Skodas,

(48:12):
your your Polestars, your your Cooper, stuff like that Jeep,
you know, like, I don't think like these companies are just,
you know, the fact that Jack hasis is sold only, you know, 40
what's that, 51 less cars or 52 less cars than Jeep in a month
is and they've been around for two months.

(48:33):
Yeah, you know, it's it blows mymind, like absolutely blows my
mind. Like the the the Chinese are
here to play and they're here tostay.
Yeah, absolutely. So the beg is the question, what
companies do you think are just going to say in five years time?
Because because with all the andthere's more like they were
saying there's another there's so many more brands coming late

(48:53):
quarter this year. Like, I mean, they're genuinely
coming to Australia. You know, it's, it's just going
to, it's, it's going to shake upthe mic.
What, what companies in the next5 years do you think aren't
going to be here? We've already lost Citroen.
They already said see you later.Citroen has been here for over
100 years. Yeah.
So what brands don't you think are going to last the next five
years in Australia? I think before we get into that,

(49:17):
I think we've got to preface it by saying, yeah, the, the reason
why this is going to happen is because of there's one big pie
and somewhere along the line they're just more and more
someone has said, yeah, come in,water's fine, you know, and all
these companies have all these brands are pouring in and

(49:38):
they're all competing to the same pie.
So their, their, their slices are getting smaller and smaller
and smaller. So it, it's Australia's long
been a bit of a backwater for international markets.
There's more uniformity now around ADRS and the like.
So things like ISOFIX seat points and, and that are in

(49:58):
cars. Whereas for, for many, many
years every car coming to Australia had to be engineered
for Australia, Like they had to be an Australian spec because of
the seat anchorages for the child's seats and all that sort
of thing, seat belt widths and the width of the glass and the
windscreen and all those sorts of things.
So now there's much more standardisation, but it's the

(50:20):
market. It, it's more the market's
fault, I think than the Chinese brand's fault or the, or the, or
the established companies that we'll be pulling out because
there's, it's not worth their time.
You know, they've got bigger markets in other countries in
the world. I don't I I mean, I haven't
researched it specifically, but I can't think of any many other

(50:41):
countries in the world where themarket has been flooded like it
has here. It just it beggars belief how
saturated our market is, like how many brands we have on offer
here. Yeah.
Yeah, and it's there, all of thenew ones that have popped up in
the last 12 months that have just, you know, like it's some
of the, I mean, yeah, like you've got what late motor
there, you've got Citrons sold one car in.

(51:03):
Yeah, like. That's not.
That they sold more Rolls Roycesthan they did Citrons.
Yeah, they delivered five last month.
But like, for example, like, andwe're not looking at Lotus,
McLaren, Bentley, all, all that,you know, posh stuff.
We're, we're, we're talking about leap motor is sold more
than Alfa Romeo D pal D pal Zika, you know, Jack, what's it

(51:27):
called? Armada Jaiku, you know, you
know, like, what's what's that like?
I've never heard of that before.You know, KGM Geely, you know,
these are, these are in GM Sangyong.
Sangyong. Yeah.
So, so you gotta remember Geely,for example, Geely is like has a
big stake in poll Star and Volvo.

(51:49):
Yeah, they only they, they only sold like 70 cars less than
Volvo and they sold way more cars than Polestar.
So, you know, and they've been here for all of two minutes, you
know, like the the it's and they're gonna.
Partly, partly that that little microcosm right there, those
three brands, Geely is the cheapbrand, that's the Chinese brand,
whereas the Polestar and the Volvo are far more expensive

(52:11):
cars. So even people shopping that
brand, you know, like, or, or all those models, there's
they're model shared across, across different.
I was in at a Volvo dealer the other day and there was a what's
the new little one, the EV30EX30EX30 parked next to the
Zika. And I mean, they're the same

(52:32):
car, you know, literally the Zika's cheaper than the Volvo,
you know, like, I mean, the, so the Gilly will, the Gilly will
outsell Volvo and Polster, you know, hands down before very
long, because most of the people, like most of the market
probably don't listen to this podcast.
And and, you know, they're very attractive in, in, in the

(52:55):
showroom. They're very well equipped.
They're they're on paper, they look really good value.
There's a lot of equipment in them.
The finish in, in a lot of them is, is very good.
So yeah, I mean, that's even my Subaru dealership is selling D
pal now. Yeah, but well.
They're going to have to stay alive, these dealerships, aren't
they? Yeah.
That's right. That's right.

(53:16):
The the the Renault dealership near me selling Haval now GWM
the the Volvo dealership in what's it called that's in the
field of selling BYD now. Yes, you know it.
And it's like the bigger brand that they sell there.
Look at this, the signage for BYD is bigger than the Volvo
Sand Rover and Volvo which they also sell out in the same

(53:37):
building. Wow, yeah.
It's just about trying to attract the right eyes to, you
know, whoever is shopping for cars.
And yeah, it's that. I mean, they all have to play a
smart game. Look at the at the show, right?
You know, walking around, you know, mind you, I went there
during the peak of it because, you know, I actually wanted to

(53:57):
see who was going to be there too, because I couldn't wake up
because I was dying. The amount of love and like the
the way people were just attracted to all these Chinese
brands just blew it blew my mind.
Like it was like absolutely. Probably because they had they
had the Polestar stand there. There was hardly a single person
in there in the Polestar stand. They had the electric G waggon

(54:21):
there that, you know, the G waggon.
OK, yeah, cool. But like, yeah.
But even like the big brands didn't really come come there.
Like it was Mazda went there in terms of like a established
brand Vodacommence, but everybody else was just, you
know, it was just all these new brands X Ping, who I don't think
have released their their latest, you know, the amount of

(54:42):
the amount of sales that they'vedone.
But but you know, X Ping, you got to add them in there now
too. You know, there's there's so
many, you know, companies and Riz was telling me about all the
cars he's driven in China and that are coming to Australia.
He's like, he's like, Matt, it'sthe game's about to change with
all these new brands coming in you it's, it's like it's, it's,
it's unbelievable what's what's about to happen and just to sit,

(55:02):
sit back and watch because you're going to see what these
companies are saying. What, what we kind of laughed at
a few years ago, It's it's now coming to fruition that they
weren't wrong. And you know, we were talking
electric cars as well, but we also talking like cut like these
electric cars that are cheaper than like MG3MG3's, you know
what I mean? Like they're like they're,
that's what these kinds of companies are coming for.

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So, you know, Australia's cheapest car will no longer be
Australia's cheapest car. It won't be, it won't be, you
know, there's a possibility it won't, it won't be, you know,
petrol powered. So for me that that's, you know,
that's saying something that this is this is happening.
Is it a bad thing being flooded with so many different Chinese
vehicles that are cheap? Just considering because I guess

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they don't see Australia as a big market which means if you do
have an accident in some of these cars you can wait on parts
for months. Yeah.
So I've got someone that I work with, they had was involved in
an accident and to get parts it was off the road for like 2 to

(56:12):
three months. Oh well, OK.
Just to weigh on these cars, there's just no parts in
Australia. They don't keep them here
because we're not as big, you know, when it comes to, you
know, America and Europe and allthat bigger countries.
So is that going to happen? I think 1 of, I think to answer

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your question, I think I think they're going to have to, you
know, bring the parts. And that was one of the
questions that was getting askedby a lot of the people at some
of the stands that I was walkingparts like this one guy was
asking should I go the, the, TheMGM G4 or the whatever it was?
And they're like, oh, go the MG drives.
But he's like, Oh my, go for this.
And yeah, you do you, bro, whatever.

(56:55):
And he's like, he's like, what about parts, You know, parts
available. And they're like, well, they
technically have to have parts enough to last the car 10 years
past. You know, it's it's technically,
but you're. Talking about offering spares,
correct? Yeah, for the part for the cars
that are, but not necessarily spares to be needed right then
and there, correct. As in like keeping it inventory?

(57:17):
Absolutely. Spares and, and especially if
these, if these organisations and look, they're massive in
China, yeah, like they're freaking huge, you know, like
there's no doubt about it. But you know, they're coming
into Australia. Like, you know, it takes time to
set up distribution. It takes time to set up, you
know, factory. It takes time to set up all this
stuff, all these things to, to be able to, to have stock on

(57:38):
hand. So I think that's going to be an
issue to, to 1 to answer your question.
But two, to add to your point oflike flooding the market, it's
going to do one of two things inmy eyes, it's going to do one,
prices should technically come down because there's more,
there's more choose and there's more competition.
I mean, I don't know if it's going to happen, but that's
usually if there's more competition prices, you know,

(57:59):
adjust to to because they peoplewant to undercut each other to
to get a sale. There's already been a lot of
Corrections in, in the prices ofthem.
Yeah, 20% have been lots of reductions.
Yeah, like but like it, but it'seven like even not with the
Chinese company like like I saw Nissan today, I think took slash
$3000 off Qashqai or or extra extra was it off extra it'll?

(58:21):
Be one of those two. That's all they got.
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's, yeah,
yeah, you, you are right. But like, you know, to compete,
that's that's three K It's, that's, that's not, that's not
an insignificant amount of money.
That's three K. So you know, it's it's going to
it's going to you know, the the established inverter coms brands
are going to going to struggle to because these guys are just
going to undercut them like crazy.
So so the two things are going to happen to 1 the market's

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going to, you know, prices are going to adjust and two, the
existing brands will have to adjust their prices and then
they're going to not make their their their bottom line's going
to be a lot thinner. They're going to, you know, not
going to do well. They're going to shut down
dealerships or possibly pull out.
Yeah. So this is my thing with, I

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think with with Honda, they've shut numerous dealerships down,
which is which, which if you, you know, if we're talking in
the heyday in the in the mid 2000s, there's something I'm
Brazilian, they're called EUR. Like nobody would have, nobody
would have, you know, would havebetter deny it at the, you know,
stuff. No worries, mate.
But but now they're doing, you know, the fixed price model.
They've had to, they've had to cut back like they got rid of

(59:26):
their, their bread and butter Jazz, like Jazz was always a
decent seller, you know, and, and.
Yeah, they moved to a different model to to keep up, Yeah, to
make money and to stay alive in Australia.
Are things to stay feasible. Yeah.
They're kind of like they're at their, you know, end of the
market in Australia sort of phase.

(59:46):
They are going to have to make this work or like try and you
know, like get their numbers up or otherwise.
Yeah, they probably will. And I think some of the like
your other like Nissans and Mitsubishi's are probably going
to go towards the same route because they just have to like
they they're going to be for their hands are going to be
forced. Otherwise, yeah, they completely
pull out and you know, yeah. Well, Sue Bridge did some a

(01:00:09):
similar thing some years ago andBen's have followed on from
Honda and done it as well. And it's yeah, it's certainly a
model that that can work. But as I said, I mean that whole
parts backup thing case in pointwhen the HRV was released, it's

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only in Australia. It's a four seater.
It's not a 5 seater because the they didn't engineer it to
actually take the centre seat belt that is required Yeah,
which it doesn't need another other market.
So they just made it A4 seater. Yeah.
I mean that was a cost cutting thing.
It has limited sales, although you can't buy one at the moment.
They've they're sold out of their stock.

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So. So that's a good thing.
I mean they've sold their stock.It's better than having stock
sitting around lying, you know, And five seats isn't something
everybody has to have, so yeah. But if someone said to you I'm
looking at a second hand Jazz ora brand new MG3, what would what
would your answer be? If that were the choices, I'd
say second hand jazz. Yeah, yeah, no, and, and and

(01:01:14):
like, you know, it just boggled my mind that they've that
they've gotten rid of jazz. But again, to to make the Jazz
feasible in Australia, they would have to sell it for like a
lot more money than MG3, right? Well, that's and that's the
reason that model didn't come because it was actually priced
higher before. A lot of the small cars have
gone up. Like there are no cheap small
cars. I mean, MG3 and Picanto are

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still the lowest priced cars in Australia.
But I mean, a Yaris is 30 over $30,000 now.
So yeah, I know, I know it's nuts.
So even things like this go to Fabia and all those have crept
right up. You know, they're they're 30
grand as well now. Volkswagen Polo is about the
same, you know, the same car like so that they, it was, I

(01:01:59):
suppose, I think on their feet. Why bring them?
Yes, it's been a really solid car for their market, but
they're going to have to providea backup.
They're not convinced that they're going to sell them at
that price point. That's why there was no business
case to bring them in. That's that what that's what
they that's what they were thinking at the time.
And I think it's proved, proved true.

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People wouldn't have spent that much money.
Even in the UK the current jazz is is expensive.
It's it's the equivalent of nearly 40,000 Australian
dollars. And that's where the Chinese are
rubbing their hands together because they're pushing all
their prices up and the and the price point that can actually
put the a good margin on their Chinese cars and still sell them
cheap. That's right.
That's right. It's a it's a no brainer.

(01:02:44):
I mean, they're getting all the well, this is sweeping
generalisation. I don't know this to be true,
but I know some Chinese brands are getting huge subsidies from
the Chinese government for everycar they export.
So, yeah, yeah. So, So once they're, if they're
leaving the country, that's great.
Yeah. So that the, the, they they
build cars and they don't really.

(01:03:05):
That's not true. That's not true that they don't
care if they sell them, but as long as they've exported them
then they're getting the benefitfrom the.
Because adds to the GDP and likeit, yeah, that's right, has a
multi fold effect of like helping the economy, helping the
companies make money so that they can pay more taxes.
And they're, like all sorts of things, yeah.

(01:03:26):
You know, you are right. It's I guess when people want a
new car, like they fish, people aren't into cars, but they, you
know, again, the whole thing of caring for the environment and
wanting a warranty, you know, MG10 year warranty, you know,
like, yeah, and and these are things that people can't.
They're all selling points. Selling points, you know, and
there's. Such points that people are

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going to care about. It's not like we're offering a
free hat with every purchase. Like it's not, it's not like a
dumb edition. It's like a real thing that
people are gonna consider, oh, do I wanna pay the same amount
and get a car with five years or10 years?
Like it's a no brainer. Yeah.
And, and what they were saying, the thing was, was, was right.

(01:04:07):
Like they're like, you know, allthese new Chinese brands, like
they still haven't got the inverter commas, the ride and
the, the, the compliance and thecompromise right Yet.
Like they're very close, you know, in comparison to like a,
you know, like a Kia EV3 or EV5,whatever they are.
You know, the, the Kia does drive better.
It drives more like a car because they've had more time to
perfect it. But you know, they, they don't

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take it long. And I don't think people like
especially that are buying an MG3 these days are caring about
that. They're like, I get, I get 5, I
get 10 years warranty. I get, you know, if anything
happens, I can go get it fixed and then I'll just go buy
another one. It'll cost me 20 grand.
Like, you know, it's, you know, it, it, it makes, it makes sense
for them to buy that over reallyanything.
And the fact that Toyota's asking 30 grand for a Yaris, you

(01:04:48):
know, as a starting price is just, you know, it, it really
kind of shows the, the difference in the market.
You know, you're paying for a more premium product, yes, but
you're getting more expensive car.
Vodacom is 1 less warranty 2. You know, and, and these are
things people care about, you know, and no one's taking their
Yaris to the Bush in the middle of nowhere, you know, where you,

(01:05:10):
you, you know that. And sorry, they're, they're,
they're MG to the Bush because it's, it's more of a City car.
So like they don't really, really care about the, you know,
nationwide's best, you know, best factory support, you know,
etcetera, all, all around the place.
I don't care about those things.Kind of the data anytime soon.
Yeah. So it's, I can see why, you
know, they're selling and they're selling well.

(01:05:32):
And you know, yeah, it's, it's athe.
Concern the the concern I have about a lot of the marketing of
and especially around the full EVs is that there's a shift to
even a way the way you can buy them.
Even like I saw a video tonight actually came up on my feet.

(01:05:54):
The Tesla released a video of a,a new Model Y delivering itself
to the customer came off the production line in Texas and
they've got a camera set up in the car and the car drives
itself to the customer's house. Well, so the, what the hell?

(01:06:14):
But with the, with the whole, you know, the, the, the sort of
push around it is that a lot of people are acquainting a lot of
these cars with using them like a mobile phone.
You know, they're, I mean, they're all connected and
they're all interactive anyway with this huge screen that, you
know, can go, oh, landscape or portrait in the middle.
But the the problem is that, youknow, at the end of if the

(01:06:35):
battery go runs down, then thereit's like a mobile phone.
Oh, I'll just go or go and buy another one.
So the problem that creates is that that I mean the useful life
of that vehicle over a shorter time it it's a terrible use of
resources. Is it called planned
obsolescence? David Prince.

(01:06:56):
Well, yeah, yeah. I mean, don't let Apple need
them. I.
Mean, yeah, they'll make it. They'll make it.
Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
After two years old, the new model's out.
We're going to make your car runhalf the power and that's.
The thing, and I mean, if peopleare buying them thinking that
they're doing the environment a favour, they're I, I think some
of them are misguided because. You're kidding yourself, aren't

(01:07:18):
you? Like like.
Well, I don't think it is environmentally friendly to have
to re, you know, replace a car after five years or even 10
years. I mean, all of us have got cars
over 10 years old, haven't we? Basically.
So yeah. If you want to be
environmentally friendly or something, then you'd have to
have a solar powered car, correct?

(01:07:39):
Correct. That's really.
You know, you, you need to be able to charge your car from the
solar panels on your roof. And I know some people do that
and that's when that that's, that's when that makes sense.
But if you're not, if you're notdoing that and you're plugging
them into the wall to to charge them or in a superpower
supercharger or whatever they are, yeah, where's that power?

(01:08:01):
Coming David Prince David Prince, Listen to yourself.
We should all listen to elbow. We charge our cars at night.
Remember. Remember we said that?
So with the with moon power. Moon power that's a, you know,
cheese like I can't cover a book.
Yeah, anyway, our great feelers later going forward.

(01:08:21):
Yeah, I I I get what you're saying.
And and who says that they can'tmake these cars do that?
You know who says that they can't just Oh no, it's, you
know, got half its battery life.Oh, it must have been the way
you've charged. You've damaged the battery or
expose, you know, you, you, you just don't know.
And and I guess not being Guineapigs, but you know, there's the

(01:08:44):
the excitement for these cars was was was cool.
It was great to see and like thethings like the Shark 6, which
was like, you know, I think got to be going to really change the
game in terms of the Ute market.And I'm a strong believer in
that car. I think that car will do that.
You know, the talk behind that car and, and what everyone was
saying was, was was phenomenal. And but again, it begs the
question of, you know, it feels that they kind of feel like

(01:09:06):
throwaway, you know, cars, they don't feel like things that are
built to to last. Now, Scotty, you put in the chat
here. Did anyone at the show mention
about lithium mining? Great question.
Now they did, they kind of skimmed around it, if you know
what I mean, because they all know it's bad, you know, the

(01:09:26):
cobalt mining and you know all The Dirty moments and stuff.
But they're talking about these new, this new battery technology
that's not cobalt based or, or not lithium phosphate based.
It's sodium based or something, or it's a, it's a, it's a
different, it's a completely different battery.
So I think that's the next big thing in battery technology
because again, but also it will and, and here's the scary part

(01:09:48):
too. And you know, you know what
we're talking about how these cars are cheap, right?
These sodium batteries, they arehalf the price, if not more than
half the price of a of a lithiumion.
And they're doing the same performance and the same power
and XYZ. So you bear that in mind to what
the cars are being priced at. If that's half the price of the

(01:10:08):
battery, yeah, they're going to be selling $10,000 cars, if that
if that's how that make that would make sense.
But again, they wouldn't do thatbecause.
It's just like they why would they ever do that when they
already have the cheapest car ata certain amount they're not
going. To go like I've said after
COVID, like when people were paying exorbitant amount of
money, like all new car prices went up because they're like,
well people are paying you know like for example, FK 8 Type R

(01:10:32):
yeah people were paying well above sticker for them and you
know and yes you know and this is not not just Australians, you
know American and all that so Honda say OK, well we're going
to charge up exorbitant amount more money for our new typer
because like, well if they did it anyway during during COVID,
truly I can do it and I, and youknow what I don't blame you
Honda. I would have done the exact same

(01:10:52):
thing. You know that's you know, and
it's not just Honda it's four it's Toyota like they've all
bumped their prices up on their ranges and their Hiluxes and
their 300 series land cruises. You know it's the IT it makes.
There's a new ceiling. Yeah, correct.
You know, and I'll just use the Honda as an example because I I
know that was a well documented one, but in a way we've got

(01:11:13):
ourselves to blame. But in, in, you know, one, we
can be flooded because we we have no market to protect
anymore, you know, So like, and,and I guess that's why none of
these Chinese brands are really in America because like they've
protected their, you know, and the same thing in Japan.
Like they've really protected their thing.
Like like Japan's only recently got Hyundai, you know, like
that's, yeah, that's, you know, that's.

(01:11:35):
That's how the clothes they've been to external brands and.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, the
Ford, Ford was there forever because of their connection with
Mazda. And they even had some holes in
there, which was, which was quite, yeah, quite a funny
story. But again, there was a Mazda
thing that. Wasn't yeah, but like it small
market you know so yeah, it's I think I think these Chinese

(01:11:56):
companies using Australia as a test bed for for Europe and for
and for all these other bets to see well if we can do this and
dominate this market and pretty much eradicate the competition
imagine what we can do in Europe.
Imagine what we can do in you know other parts of Asia.
I imagine what we can do in XYZ and.
You know, but our market's not that hard to take over.

(01:12:17):
We should think about it. Everything's more expensive here
to start with. Yeah.
We don't make any cars here. Our used cars selection is a lot
lower than other countries. There's plenty of cars that they
get that we don't get. So if you count it to America or
Europe, I mean they're second hand markets, ginormous compared

(01:12:40):
to ours and what array of cars they've got.
So I I would consider that it would be pretty hard for them to
break into some of those markets.
Yeah, I'd agree. With you might be a little bit
easier in Europe because they'd start fitting into those
emissions and things with those new emission laws.
So they'd be pretty chuffed withthat, but.

(01:13:03):
Smog charge and all that stuff. Yeah, but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure about America, how they go there, I don't think.
They'll have a tariff. The same with Europe tariffs,
they they're putting a lot of tariffs on those cars, so
they're not competitive to to protect their own market.
I guess that's why I like Hyundai and stuff are built, are

(01:13:24):
building cars of Slovenia and Turkey with Chad's uncle and,
you know, and Ford's. Yeah, yeah, well, sorry.
He, he works for Ford, you know,like it's all, you know, they're
building them in in those locations so they don't have to
pay the tariffs, right. Like that, that, that's why they
that's why they're. But Australia, well, we don't
build anything. So, you know, bring them, bring
them all in, do all. You.
Want New Zealand is where it's at.

(01:13:45):
Let us import whatever we want. Yeah, yeah. 100% All right, so
look, we've skipped around the question, what companies do we
think aren't going to be here inthe next five years?
And you know, I'm going to startby saying I don't think Renault
will be here in the next 5 years.
I don't. Think they're still?
Here, I'm amazed. Yeah, I'm amazed they're still
here. I think Jeep and.

(01:14:05):
Peugeot even like. Yeah, yeah, Peugeot, yeah, yeah.
Like, and these brands have beenhere in Australia for decades.
Like, you know, these are, you know, these are what would you
call legacy brands when they go.I don't think Jeep will last too
much longer. They're they're, they're just
bleeding money. They're haemorrhaging at this
point in time. And Stalantis like people have
not, or people have realised andhave seen through Jeep's

(01:14:28):
bullshit of like, you know, quality cars, which they're not
so, so they're, you know, they're hurt.
But those same people are still don't understand that, you know,
they still go and buy sorry, sorry.
The same sort of people still buy Land Rovers and Range Rovers
because they're like pain. It's.
Brand loyalty. Yeah, as.
Long as Toorak is around, she'llstill sell Range Rovers.

(01:14:51):
All you need to do is park it. You don't need to drive it.
Just look at it. Yeah.
Broughton. So, yeah.
So those are three brands for methat I don't think will be here
in five years time. And as bad as I you know, I
don't, I hate to say that, but II just don't think they will be.
I, I think, I think the two Frenchies, I think they're, they

(01:15:12):
just don't like, they just don'tsell enough and they, they don't
really have ausp anymore. Like, like the, the, the
Frenchies were especially Renault were like the, the, you
know, the hot hat specialists, like really they were Magans
and, and Clio RSS and you know, and clear cups and things like,
like they, they had a really strong niche with that.
And the new stuff is just, it's just they don't, they don't have

(01:15:34):
that you can, to be honest with you, I prefer to buy a Chinese
car, you know, in those are the choices, you know what I mean?
So yeah, I, I think I, I think there those are for me 3 that
have that have come to mind straight away that aren't going
to be here in five years time. What about you guys?
What do you think? I'd probably throw in Nissan.

(01:15:55):
Yep, Yep. I think there are a different
reason. I think they've got other
problems market related, there'sthat.
Yeah, I mean, they've got those problems too, but they just
don't have anything to compete. I mean, why would you buy
Qashqai when there's another million other options that are
actually better you? Can actually pronounce the name.
Yeah, and they're actually cheaper as well.

(01:16:18):
There's just, yeah, I don't see them kicking around.
Maybe Mitsubishi. I think a lot of Japanese brands
are probably going to start to vanish.
Ford. Ford will still be around.
Because they just sell BrazilianRangers and nothing else really.
I think Rangers help them a lot.So it's the only reason they're

(01:16:40):
still here. Like, let's let's be honest,
that's the only reason they're still.
Here, Yeah, yeah. They only, they only sell Ranger
and Oh well, they're still transit.
Everest. Everest and Mustang.
Mustang. It's a Mustang and Mustang Mark
E and they don't sell Puma anymore.
That's gone. They don't sell Escape anymore,
that's gone. Focus is gone.
Fiesta's gone. Yeah, I think, I think that's

(01:17:03):
pretty much all they sell. Like they don't really have any
oh transit custom, which is, which is a small version of a
transit, but. That's Oh, yes, yeah.
But I see a few of those around like they actually they
actually. Get they sell F1 fifties.
They do, but I've probably seen three I think.
I've seen one. Definitely see more of the Dodge

(01:17:24):
Rams. Yeah, absolutely.
I was in, I was in a Maserati dealer the other day and they're
just taking, not taking on Rams.So they had to revamp their
workshop to actually get hoists that will fit Rams on them.
And I said, where are you going to put them?
I mean, it's impossible to find a car park.
And he said, yeah, because service manager said, I don't

(01:17:44):
think they thought that's true. They take up like so much real
estate with each car. 1 1/2 car space, actually, yeah.
Yeah, and Richmond is not not full of not got lots of spare
space. It's it's ridiculous, but I saw.
A Dodge Ram Daytona on the weekend.

(01:18:05):
I hadn't seen one of those in person before and I was like,
what is this? Because it's got a massive wing
on the back of it. There was a Daytona one.
I was like what the hell? That's called downforce, you
know, Jeez. Just massive the door.
I mean, yeah, far out. So they still.

(01:18:27):
Sell. Nissan gone because they're
they're in trouble everywhere. Mitsubishi because let's because
we don't really think they've got anything that's.
You know, I don't know how they're still going.
But the plugin. Hybrids.
Plugins are keeping them not agreeing.
With money. Laundering.
The You got this stuff in these brands, K cars and K cars build

(01:18:51):
up and make up a huge amount of their sales in Japan, but
they're not sold outside Japan. So I mean, all those companies
are still doing pretty well in Japan.
And there's in fact, I, I boughta book while I was there last
time and it compares all the K cars, all the, all the current
model K cars sort of thing. And there's 31 different cars.
You know, you can buy up there 31 different K cars and I think

(01:19:15):
it's one in four cars, so 31 different.
SU VS here. Well, that's right, correct.
Same. Same sort of thinking, but.
Different size. Everything's bigger in Australia
mate. Yes, so they don't bring.
In, you know, a lot of the cars they.
Actually manufacture because there's no market for them here.
Yeah, yeah, I'm single handedly trying to create one.

(01:19:36):
But if like Ram and those sort of people keep bringing cars
that you're not I'm going to sell them too easily.
I'm, I'm going to, you know, hopefully Honda have, you know,
been quick enough to, to change,you know, their ways and, and
streamline their operation a bit.
I think they've steadied. I think they've definitely
steadied. Their sales are good.

(01:19:57):
Yeah, they're. Picking.
They're picking up than what they were.
Correct. And they've.
Got good product and they've gotthings coming and I did see
Toyota actually the other day have unveiled a water engine,
water powered engine, OK, quite a low.
Key release I have to Google it and send.

(01:20:18):
The link through to you I saw they got that 4 cylinder 600.
Horsepower thing that was talkedabout, Yeah, I think that was
Toyota. That's coming in the new in the
new. Corolla GR isn't it I think.
The next The next generation 1 Ibelieve.
I'm not sure. I just, I didn't click on the
article or anything, I was just flicking.
Through and kind of saw it. I was like, OK, because I've

(01:20:40):
heard about it a million times. So I don't know if it was legit,
but all companies need to keep on.
Making money so they need to putoil.
Into some sort of engine component, don't they?
Yeah, not only plastics. But everything else around it.
What do you think about Subaru in?
Australia Subaru isn't a weird one because they've got they're.

(01:21:02):
Not Subaru. They're not Subaru in Australia.
Like, they're they're they're they're they're owned by a
importer. Oh, educate, educate.
Yeah, Yeah. So like, like they're not.
Exactly. Like them themselves, like this
will suit like they've got theirmarket right.
Like they, they know their market quite well, but I mean,

(01:21:22):
Subarus always had this. I think they've always kind of
been in the same spot. Like they've never sold a
bazillion cars, but they've never sold nothing like they
they've got a lot they've got a lot of following.
I think I think they're quite niche, aren't they?
They're quite niche. People buy them because.
And and and. They're not afraid to to be to
say that really like like, let'sbe honest, like Subaru kind of
know, know what they do and that's what they do.
And that's that's it. So I think they'll be OK.

(01:21:44):
I think Honda now that they've found themselves again, which is
good, I think they'll be OK. But because Super, because super
has been in the same spot like they have been for years, I
think, I think they'll I think they'll be fine.
They'll sell heaps of foresters,they'll sell heaps of outbacks.
They'll sell they'll sell heaps of what's this one?
Yeah, like they've got a they'vegot a smaller one.

(01:22:04):
They're cross Trek. That's a big seller.
That's like, I think they're best seller in America actually.
So I think they'll be OK. Kieran Hyundai, what's your
thoughts, gentlemen? I think they'll be OK.
I think, I think they've got to be enough following now that
they'll they'll, they'll, they'll be fine, except for the
Tasman. Jeez.

(01:22:27):
They don't talk about. Tasman, have you seen that?
On basic wheels like. Like on like Steely's.
It's it's horrific. It's like a base.
It made it up Beer. O'clock.
Hill. That's all it counts.
You think there'll be a a trade mate version?
Just for the trade is no radio nothing.

(01:22:49):
Steel is 2 wheel drive 2 wheel 4B2.
Yeah, 4Y2. Yeah, I yeah, husband, here's
one for you. VW, their sales are tanking,
like severely tanking similar tosimilar to Nissan I think
they've got. Bigger problems than worrying
about the Australian market, yeah, At the moment, yeah.

(01:23:12):
We're very late. To the party with the the
electric Volkswagens that have just been released, the ID 5 and
the ID three. I think it is, yeah.
They've been out in Europe for five years.
Yeah, yeah. But we're popular and now
they're they're tanked over there too.
So yeah, I think yeah, that's a really interesting one in
Volkswagen. Price point, yeah, yeah.

(01:23:35):
Price point, yeah, Yeah. It is it it really?
Comes down to price. Because.
Chinese EV companies can do so well because of their pricing
and then other companies who essentially make the same
product but priced, you know, much higher.
They they really are struggling.Yeah, it could every company,
especially out of Europe, let's say.

(01:23:55):
I only think we're going to say like, I mean, do we even have
Jaguar in Australia? Yeah, Yeah, we do.
But they, I mean, they're, they're not that way.
Well, they've probably. Gone and awful.
Trouble. Yeah, I think Jags in a company.
Like Skoda? Like used to see Skoda.
Everywhere five years ago, like there were the cheap alternative
in the whole VAG group. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:24:17):
Now they're just what? Like they saw 300 in my jeez,
yeah again price point. Price point that's.
What it is, and I think that speaks to.
The trouble of people's you knowhow much they've got to spend on
cars. So they try.
And get the best bang for buck, best value and you know, the

(01:24:38):
most amount of warranty. So yeah, well, well, well, the
badge group can't really go on the.
Whole premium European brand anymore can they like because,
because that was the whole that was the whole shtick in
Australia, you know, VW, it's a premium German products, you
know, you know, a lot of engineering, human engineering
like that. That was that was the whole, you
know, that was the whole thing, but you know, people have gone

(01:24:58):
on to that your cars are shit. You know, like you, they're
they're good while they're good.They're good while they're good,
correct? Yes, so.
That is, that is absolutely correct.
But like, you know, but people have gone on, you know, like
they're like they've realised, you know, but but here's one
that's going to, you know, an electric car that I don't think
is going to come in is going to be, what's it called?

(01:25:19):
Pollstar. Like they are owned by they are
owned by Julie. And I think Pollstar are going
to dissolve in Australia. And but the only reason they're
going to still be here is if Julie opened like, like they
have like the luxury section to get to their dealership, which
will, which will be your Pollstars?
Yeah, which they have in Geelong.
They have. Oh yeah, it's not.
It's not what they've got there.Yeah.
So they've got the. Pollstar Gili on the same

(01:25:40):
showroom with the Zika. As well.
Oh right, what is this? This is in Geelong.
Rick's Carell. Yeah, so they've.
Got their three beer brands? There sitting.
Under the one shop, Yep, I thinkthat's what's gonna happen with
that. But again, the price point for
the. The Polestar.
Again, is stupid. Stupid.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think.

(01:26:00):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not talking about Aston and
Alpha and all that stuff like that.
I'm not talking about any of those brands.
Like we're just talking about your bread and butter brands
like Fiat. Yeah.
The only things that the only things that they sell are 500 a
baths. Yeah, yeah, you know what I
mean? Like, no, no one's buying
anything down to 1 model. Yeah, no one else is buying

(01:26:21):
anything from them, you know. Like so so like, I don't know.
I don't. Know if they're going to hang
around, they've got the electricversion as well.
They do have the electric version and.
Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind.
Of good looking actually, I think, I think it's an angry
little car. I like it.
But you know, the fact that Porsche sell more cars than than
Renault, you know, and, and you know, there's some more cars in

(01:26:44):
Polestar and some more cars in Jeep.
Like, you know, you've got issues when a sports car company
is doing doing that, doing that stuff to you.
So I think, you know, I think the the the brands that we've
spoken about in particularly, I think they're in they're in POD,
they're strong, probably 50 pluspercent not going to be here in
five years time. Well, well, in five years time,
we'll we'll we'll be sitting here, all of us slightly more

(01:27:06):
Boulder and discussing the pointof I love once I could dated to
remember first. Of July.
First of the. Financial first day of the
financial year five years time. Space, five years time.
We'll see if our predictions areright, if we can tell the.
Future and if we can call us Nostradamus because we aren't
that good. It is time for the car quiz,

(01:27:28):
Chad. I might get you to.
Sit there, swing your chair. Right around my friend. 10
questions plus some bonus questions.
All right, so first question in the Initial D anime, What Car
did Godfoot? Dr. Scott, It was the R30. 4 GDR

(01:27:54):
That is correct Scotty. Well done.
You drove the R34 GDR. Did you know that, Rob?
No, not at all. No idea.
Sorry, voice question #2. Hillman.
The car company, now we're talking, named a car after a.

(01:28:15):
Specific dog breed. What was it?
Yeah, Robert, right. Now, Rob, I was going to.
Say Hunter. But it's not No, no.
David David Hillman Hillman They.
Named No. Incorrect.
After a dog breed, in particularScott Shepherd.

(01:28:37):
No, Incorrect. God Golden.
Retriever. I wish I was going to say The
Hill. Hillman.
Pug. Hillman pug that I mean, that
would be very good. I want to give Rob.
I want to give Rob .5 because you said you said the Hillman
Hunter, the Hillman Husky. Husky.

(01:28:58):
Oh, of course. Oh, OK.
David said Minx. I think.
You did you. Said yeah, that's the one I was
thinking I'll do. Huskies like a.
An impanel van, basically, yeah,correct.
Yeah. Question #3 MG.
Has announced that they would wind back what on customers?

(01:29:22):
What are they going to wind backon customers?
Wind back the clock, Chad. Chad, is this something to do
with their advertising? Incorrect.
Good guess, but incorrect. Rob, Rob the warranty.
Yep. Well.
Then Rob. So what do you mean I'm?
Back so Rob is getting the point.

(01:29:45):
So they're going to wind back the warranty.
Bonus question, you will maintain your 10 years warranty
if you do what Rob Chad just gotin there first if you service
with them for. An X amount of time?

(01:30:06):
Yes, you have to service them with the whole time, whole time,
the whole time. So 10 years. 10 years, yeah.
This is a bit of a. Interesting way of doing things,
but that's anyway moving on. Question #4 The GR Super Truck
Edition has been announced for Australia.
How much more expensive is it over the GTS?

(01:30:27):
Top of the range, Rob. Rob a lot, yeah.
I'll give closest to Rob. 20K20K, says Rob.
Oh, it's. Going to say that.
I will go. 2525K, says Scotty. David and Chad get to put their

(01:30:48):
their their two cents in. I'll do 22 and a half, 22 1/2.
Says. Chad and David Prince, I'll go
17 and a half, 17 1/2. It is you're closest.
To David Prince, 9 K extra 9 K that's good, that's good.

(01:31:08):
It's crack in value. It's a it gets you get full race
suspension, race breaks, all that stuff.
No grand. That's no air conditioning, no
stereo. Take all the equipment out.
Put tough of suspension, OK. Bonus question, why are people
disappointed, Chad? Chad, are they only?
Offering it an auto incorrect David.

(01:31:31):
David. The power output of the engine's
the same, correct? That is.
Absolutely correct. They haven't changed the
PowerPoint. They've done a full.
Suspension and everything, but they've kept the same power,
which is weird because the B 58 is a very tunable car, tunable
engine. Question #5 Spell Zika.
Chad ZEEKR. Yeah, correct, Chad.

(01:31:52):
Well. Done.
Weird word. Zika score check at the halfway
points we've got Chat on 2 Davidon 2 Scotty on one and rob on
1.5 Anybody's game close quid steal anybody's game number six
which brand and what model specifically of car carried the

(01:32:13):
following colours menace Mercurysilver Viper David David I'm
going to. Say Ford Falcon XR6, yeah, I'll
pay that. Yeah, Ford Falcon, I would have,
I would have paid Falcon, but. That's fine they did.
They did appear in an XR6 question #7 who made the the car

(01:32:36):
called the Titan Dump Titan dub.Titan dub as in dump dump.
Dump, DUMP Titan. Dump.
Rob, Rob, Rob got in there first.
I had a guess. Daihatsu.
Daihatsu is. Incorrect, but good.
Good. Guessing because you're only
Japanese would would would ruin the English language by using

(01:32:59):
names like that. Chad.
Chad, was it Nissan? In was not Nissan.
Scott. Scott Isuzu not.
Not Isuzu. David Prince.
Our KK expert OH. It's AK character.
No, what it's I? I haven't said if it is or not.
But I should have said our Japanese Kai expert Titan Dunk

(01:33:21):
it. It.
It isn't. It isn't.
A. It isn't AAK.
Car just just putting it out there, I'm going to say and it's
the guest Mahindra. Incorrect.
It is Mazda. They did the Titan.
Dump. Oh wow, Dyson dump.
I can't. Believe that's the name of the
thing. Actually, that's a.
Truck isn't it? It is.
That's the Titan. Yeah, I Yep, Yep.

(01:33:44):
Question #8 Opal. Have a funny Easter egg in all
of their cars since 2004. What is it, Chad?
Chad, is it breaking down? I was.
Thinking of an eloquent way of saying precisely.
That Chad, you beat me to it. I'd love to give you a point.
I'd love to give you a point. For that.

(01:34:05):
But that is incorrect. They have an Easter egg in all
of their cars since 2004. What is it?
Oh, that's that's about. Me life now, it's great.
David, I'll have a guess. Some sort of unique customised,
customised customizability. Is that a word?

(01:34:26):
Incorrect. Incorrect.
It's something that you that if you, they, they.
Hide them in the car. That's where an Easter egg is
that they kind of like look for them.
They're making their customers look now because because people
become aware of this and they'relike, oh, where is this Easter
egg in this car? So Scotty and Rob, I'll make it
easier if you kind of tell me what it what it's what it is,

(01:34:47):
not the the actual one. But if you could give me a like
AI can't say I can't say too much without giving it away, if
that makes sense. The builder's signature.
Good to see. Just increase I like.
What you're thinking though, butit's yeah, yeah, that's.
Cool, Scotty. Is it like?

(01:35:07):
Like hidden hopeful logo or something incorrect.
They put a shark, put a shark. In every car, like, OK, I never
would have guessed that. So that's not.
Very helpful, isn't it? So the story just.
The story goes you. Know you're going to be eaten
alive once your car breaks, so the story goes one of the

(01:35:29):
designers. Was doodling and he drew a.
Shark. And they're like, oh, that's
really cool, we should incorporate that somewhere.
And from then on they're like, well, let's make it into an
Easter egg. You're going to hide in the car
and you're going to find it. So they first put it into, I
think it was a Corsa or an Astrain the glove box.
And you open if you look on the side of it, you see, see you see
this picture of the shark and now they put it in every car
ever since. So you've got to find the Easter
in the car. That's cool.
It's like a different place in every car place in.

(01:35:51):
Every car, yeah. Yeah, Well, it's pretty cool
actually. Don't.
Mind that, RIP the car apart to see what you might have to do
when it breaks. Down there it is.
It's. Inside the valve car behind the
door card. I know.
The engine cover. Question #9 Where was the first

(01:36:11):
Holden? Astra made David, David,
someone's got a truck. Backing in somewhere.
Yeah, the first. Holden Astra was made at.
Clayton, that is. Correct.
David Prince. Wow, that's that's.
As in in Australia, the industrial line.
Oh, Holden. Astra question #10 How many

(01:36:32):
stars are in the? Subaru badge.
Oh Rob Rob. I had to guess 5.
Incorrect Chad. Chad is a. 4 Incorrect, David.
Let me just turn around and I'llhave a look.
Davis. No, it's cheating.
Sorry, I did not keep my. Eyes on you.
See, I'm looking here. Incorrect Scotty.
Up to you 6. 6 is correct Scotty.

(01:36:54):
Well done. Oh.
I didn't look. You saw I didn't.
Turn all right. Score.
Check I have to go like this andthen.
Lean over, I can see it over there.
You're very, you're very lucky. Chad almost called shenanigans.
He. Almost did.
You're very close. I did when he said, oh, let me
just turn around. That's the that's the cartel.

(01:37:18):
Car Quiz. Scores.
Are Chad and Scotty on 2A piece Robin 1.5 and tonight's winner
on a grand total of 4 is Mr. David Prince.
Well done. Thank you very much, John David.
Luke. No, that was.
That was fun. That was good.
I've missed. Doing the quiz over the last few
weeks, I've had the lovely gentleman that are on this

(01:37:39):
podcast doing it for me, which has been great.
Been a good help, gentlemen. So thank you.
That's a podcast, gents. We've got plenty of plenty to
discuss tonight, plenty to ponder in five years time when
we when we visit this. Let's come back in five years
and yeah, see what cars are not here.
And hopefully you'll see me nextTuesday, because if my wife
hasn't shot me. You'll I hear the back of Camrys

(01:38:01):
are very comfortable to sleep in.
Velour. Velour.
Is it a waggon? It is a sedan.
Oh, you. Need to buy a waggon?
I know if they had. AV6 waggon.
I would have bought 1. But anyway, we'll we'll see.
We'll see. Let's do some plugs.
Scotty's golf tip of the week. Golf tip of the week.
We all know that when you're. Aiming your golf shot or

(01:38:24):
anything, and if you're looking too far in the distance, it's
very hard to gauge direction, that sense of direction.
So if you're aiming for the pin and you're too far away and
you're trying to line up, yeah, it's it's not not easy.
So what you do instead is aim for something that's a lot

(01:38:44):
closer. So it could be a leaf that's in
front of you that lines up with the pin.
It could be, you know, just anything small that you see on
the ground. Use that as a guide to line up
and you'll notice you'll be hitting a bit more accurate to
look at the object the object. Yeah.
Yeah, use that object. 1st so you go.

(01:39:06):
Jump into your stance like you're ready to hit it and or
even before that, if you want, you can stand behind the ball
and find that that object that'snot too far and away the
distance. Because if we focus on something
that's too far away, we lose that sense of direction.
So you'll want to. Focus.

(01:39:28):
On something that's that, that bit close up because it's just,
I know it's just the way our eyes and mind works.
I know I'm not a scientist, but just the way it works.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cool. Yeah.
I like. That's a good one.
I've got a quick. Plug Happy birthday Chad for
tomorrow. Thank you.
Happy birthday tomorrow. Chad.

(01:39:49):
Thank you guys. Mine.
'S the day after. Oh, how did they rob?
As is Ed Buntings. You and Ed.
You and Ed on the same day. Rob obviously 4th of July, no
mine. 'S on the third.
Oh, the third. 2nd. 3rd 4th. Geez, it's that.

(01:40:12):
So Rob 20. 23. 30. Three big. 3 Yeah, you don't
have to meet today at work. Today was the first moment in
my. Life where like I felt old I I
get used to it buddy. I was with my year 12 helping

(01:40:32):
them out and I was going around the room.
You know, and sitting with each sitting with each of each of the
kids, you know, giving them a hand with, with their, with
their folios and get to the edgeof the table.
And, and there's this this last girl sitting in the edge of the
table. So there was no space seat next
to her. So took your help.
I went in to, to, to kind of kneel down to, you know, to sit
beside the table to, to look at everything.
And I couldn't hold myself. I just felt, I just felt this

(01:40:54):
side fell down and she's. And all kids are just.
Looking at me like like don't worry sorry guys that's I'm OK
I'm OK OK it's like I didn't stop I just kept going like it's
just I just like I'm like, Oh myGod, today is the first day I
felt I felt so old Here's me able to able to run 25 K is no

(01:41:18):
issue. And then I couldn't kneel down.
I fell over. Do you know what?
What do you know the reality of?Of, of people, of a?
Certain demographic that I, I relate to very well now is the
difference between falling over and having a fall.
Yeah, yeah. OK, so you if you.
Yeah, if you. If you fall, if you trip and

(01:41:39):
fall over, that's very differentto having a fall.
So technically, did I have a fall?
David Pierce No. You just no, it's a technical
fall, you. You, you, you.
You lost your balance. That's all Looks.
Like I got my seniors card too. How did you get it at 30?

(01:41:59):
Right. How did you?
Get a yeah, yeah yeah yeah bad. Are you it's a half seniors car
a. Half.
Seniors car 1/2 Seniors car. Cheating the system?
The system, right, I yeah, yeah,I I.
Mean I'm, I'm catching you guys.I, I felt, I felt I, I just, I
couldn't believe it. The kids are just looking at me

(01:42:20):
like, what is wrong with you? I I, I just kept going.
It was the IT was the weirdest. It was the weirdest feeling.
Do you want to? Do you want to feel a bit older?
I walked past gimmicks. The other day at Toronto Village
and they've got a big poster in the wall celebrating 25 years of
Harry Potter. Yeah, you were so fucked.
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got something else to.

(01:42:42):
Play Is it my? Turn.
Yeah, it's your. Turn so our good friend of the
show, Andrew. Rigglesworth is currently in.
Europe singing and playing his guitar role.
Yes, I've seen some of that and.But I've been receiving very
excited. Messages from this evening while
we've been on the podcast he created a page called Mitsubishi

(01:43:02):
Magneton's 481985 to 2025 on Facebook.
If you're not already following it, if you've still got Facebook
another way, you know your old and he, he's had access to the
all the a lot of the archival footage from Mitsubishi Motors
private stash. And he put up a great video the
other day of Ed Ed Ordinsky driving ATR manual with a

(01:43:27):
release first released on a rally course and drifting the
thing and all that. And he just sent me this very
excited thing. Ed's actually commented on it
and, you know, thanked them for posting it and and talked about
it, gone through and corrected some of the comments in it and
then shared it to his own page. That's brilliant.

(01:43:48):
Andrew is apoplectic. With joy at the moment.
As he should be. As he should be.
He's he's. He's doing the doing the best.
Workout. Well, he's in his element, isn't
he? He's just he really.
Is he really? Is.
We really need to get him on. Like the month leading up to it.
You know, every week just to discuss, you know, like the
latest. And you?

(01:44:09):
Know we're going to really plug it, but yeah, it's, it's really
exciting times. Like I'm super excited for it.
Yeah, it's great. You boys 100% in still like
you're in one. 100% Rob, you in?Yeah, definitely 90. 9.
Percent in there, yeah. Something else comes up.
Yeah. As in like a holiday being
booked to Thailand. Fair enough.

(01:44:31):
Fair enough. Right, no Magna's in.
Thailand. All the no, I know, I know.
I reckon there might be 1. I reckon you're right.
Or two. That make me.
Submission there. Still making there.
What is the bad Magnus? Any other plugs, David Prince or
that's? It for the I know.
That's enough, I think for now. Chad's deliveries.
Delivering to a place near you? Yeah.

(01:44:53):
Now delivering in a Magna, they're delivering in a magnet.
Good. And Rob's doing it firefighting.
Electrical neighbour hating? You know, Council punching on
with all the cards. You cards too now, yeah.
Rob. 'S cops.
Rob's cops. Rob's cops.
You know it. Yeah.
So so you know when he's doing it, that's.
A. That's a big Rob's.

(01:45:13):
Rob's senior cards. Busy cards.
Rob. He'll get you 1 Rob's.
Pitches Rob's birthday Are you 30?
30 I can. Get you a card.
That's you guys. Kill me.
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(01:45:56):
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