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The Cary Harrison Files:

You ever hear of a therapy so helpful it ruins your life? Well, you’re about to. Today, we're peeling back the velvet curtain on one of the great misnomers of modern psychiatry: conversion therapy. A practice so medieval, Torquemada might blush—yet polished enough to have once passed for medicine.

Conversion therapy, in all its snake-oil glory, is the misguided crusade to rewire the uncooperative soul—to pray the gay away, baptize the trans back to cis, and somehow replace someone's identity with a church newsletter and a six-week course on heteronormativity. It's been rightly dismissed by every major mental health association worth their DSM, yet it slithers on, banned in some states and not others. In fact, the Supreme Court said it’ll take on a case from Colorado that could decide whether any cities or states can legally ban conversion therapy for LGBTQ+ kids.

Yet, the statistics are a horror show. Survivors of this so-called "therapy" face depression, addiction, HIV risk, and suicide at rates that make war zones look like wellness retreats. And let's not forget—ma

ny are minors, shipped off by frightened families hoping to fix what was never broken.

But in this carnival of cruelty, some voices rise above the din. Curtis Lopez-Galloway, forged in the fire of this twisted practice, turned trauma into activism and is now uniting survivors through the Conversion Therapy Survivor Network. And joining him, Samuel Nieves—a voice as sharp as his mind, wielding personal experience and psychological training like a scalpel.

So, brace yourself. This is a Grimm fairy tale and a reckoning.

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, Founder & President of Conversion Therapy Survivor Network and Samuel Nieves, Board Director… welcome to the show!

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, When you hear the phrase "conversion therapy," what's the first image that comes to your mind—and how close is it to the reality you lived?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, What was the moment when you realized, "This isn’t therapy—it’s a slow erasure"?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, What tactics did they use that masqueraded as compassion but were, in truth, coercion?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, How did your family’s role complicate the experience—were they captives of the same lie, or accomplices to it?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, What does healing even look like after something that teaches you your existence is a mistake?

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Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, Curtis, how did you go from survivor to policy shaker? What flipped the switch?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway, and Samuel Nieves, Samuel, as someone trained in psychology, how do you reconcile the therapeutic principles you learned with what you endured?

Curtis Lopez-Galloway,

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