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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello, entrepreneurs dreamers, business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Welcome to Cash Flows with yourhost, cash Matthews.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, good morning, welcome to Cash Flows.
I'm Cash Matthews, your host,and we're very happy that you're
here today.
I think this is podcast number111 that we've done together, or
close to that.
It's pretty close, somethinglike that, and our guest today
is Michelle Hammons and we'llvisit with her just in a moment,
but I've got a great showplanned for the day.
Kenneth, how are things in yourworld before we get going?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Things are pretty good.
The winds are sweeping down theplane, oh yes, yeah, I think
that's enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is Unless you have allergies, or a car that has
green stuff all over it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's also true.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, okay, well, hey , we're glad you're here today.
The Cash Flows Podcast isdesigned for, as the intro says,
happy people and entrepreneursand people moving forward.
And you know our method is onthe board behind us, but it is
fire ready aim, and we love totalk to people about taking the
(01:06):
next step in their journey,whether that's personal, family,
health, spiritual.
But of course, we talk a lotabout business because a lot of
us are in the business world andthis idea was spawned out of a
networking group that actuallythe three of us helped build in
the local community.
That's grown to 7,600 peoplethe business owners networking
group.
The bong, for those who findthat funny, I had never seen a
(01:28):
bong, didn't know what it was.
I missed out on that in theseventies, I was busy, and.
But I have since learned what abong is and I've heard all the
jokes.
It's a hit and yeah it's stillnot that funny, I don't know
there's.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
There's several other jokes, jokes too.
I was going to say them, but II can't think.
Well, you're what hey?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
you're welcome to throw a joke in there.
Michelle you as well but anywayso we're going to fire aim
ready today.
Our guest today is michellehammonds, and this is going to
be a great conversation.
Uh, today we get to talk aboutthe world of professional
coaching yes we have a lot ofarmchair quarterbacks oh, I saw
this, saw this on YouTube and alot of Dr Googles out there who
self-diagnose man.
(02:08):
I am a fan of coaching and I'ma fan of sports and I'm a fan of
business.
Now that I've been in businessover 40 years, I look back and
some of those moments for me,michelle, that were the greatest
were at the hands of somebodywho could see what I cannot see.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
At the hands of somebody who could see what I
cannot see.
Yes, and the value in that forme and my career is just
immeasurable.
And you know, as I mean, and weall work with entrepreneurs,
the thousands of entrepreneursin the bong and just out in the
world and everybody's trying tofind the way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And you know, and it doesn't matter what level of
success you've had or are,having man, a coach is a good
idea, and I'm a sports nut andI'm a golf nut more importantly,
but I've studied many greatathletes and that we get to talk
about coaching today for me, Iam excited about this and if
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you're listening to this andyour life or business or weight
or whatever is not where itought to be, find somebody who
can help you.
You know all the athletes.
So many of the business peoplewill credit a mentor type and I,
you know, think a lot of peoplejust getting in business
they're worried about the costof the coach, and I know we're
going to talk about that.
But, man, you ought to see thecost of not having a coach and
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it's the difference betweenwhere you are and that ultimate
dream level, and that's the costof not coach, and so we're
going to talk about the day.
So, michelle, thank you forbeing here with us.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, thank you for being here.
I'm excited to see your face.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I am glad to be here as well, and I don't know, maybe
this is what heaven looks likeand maybe we're all here.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I could go with that.
Well, tell us a little bit.
I know we've mentioned thisbefore we met at the bong.
Tell us just give us a run upto how you got to this spot in
your life and you're aprofessional coach.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes, I'm a high performance executive coach.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay, we want to hear the words.
High performance executivecoach yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I've been doing that full time for the past
seven years and working withpeople all over the world, in
the community and in every statealmost in the union, and so I
have a.
I've logged about 5,000 hoursof one-on-one conversations in
that time, and the depth andbreadth of that experience gives
you all these new insights.
Right, there's one thing tohave a coach, but then when you
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immerse yourself at that level,you get these new distinctions
about human behavior and whatdrives us.
And so I got started incoaching from actually a coach.
That's one of our long members,aaron.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh, man, one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Aaron and I have gone .
We go back a long way and we Iremember this moment.
I was sitting in aaron's officeI hope she'll be listening to
this and she said oh, have youever thought about being a coach
?
And this was when I was acorporate leader and I was like,
what would I do as a coach?
You know there was.
I didn't know about the industry.
That's really, and that's whythe basis of our talk today is
(05:05):
just to really help peopleunderstand what this is and how
it helps people.
And so it was really that sparkright, that blind spot that I'd
never heard of.
I didn't know.
From there I started learningand understanding.
And there is a lot of differentflavors.
We're in springtime, so thedifferent varieties of coaches
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out there that all do amazingwork and it's a billion-dollar
industry, right?
Or corporate coaching, there'spersonal development coaching.
There's these different kind offlavors that are out there.
But I always like to highlightthis is no joke.
This is a big business.
There's a lot of money that'sbeing invested because the value
that comes out of it, as yousaid, it's not the cost of
having a coach, it's the cost ifyou don't have one.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And so really my journey started with having a
coach and in that same time ofseven years, I've never been
without a coach.
I've got, I've had theprivilege and opportunity to
work with some amazing highlevel coaches.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, if you've worked with Erin Garcia, you've
worked with one of the best.
Yeah, she's amazing.
Yeah, she's tremendous.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And along with others too, and so I think, though, if
I were to take it back earlier,like you were saying, there's
that person that unpacks theinsight.
I really was lucky.
So I grew up here in Tulsa andwe had, I had amazing teachers,
you know, and teachers kind ofare like coaches in the big way.
And I had this incredible coachsquad of teachers, is what I
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would say and so we.
We grew up in an elementaryschool that moved into Wright
Junior High, which had anauditorium and our teacher,
drama teacher, mrs Jenkins.
Every class we would go down tothe auditorium and she'd get us
on stage.
We were on stage every day aspart of our class.
The gift she gave everyone thatcrossed her path was this gift
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of no fear of public speaking.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Which is an incredible gift that we didn't
know we were getting.
That's had a lifetime impact onme personally, and so we never
know that moment and I alwayshad grew up with teachers and
coaches that they saw gold, theysaw blue, they didn't see
anything but being the bestexcelling for excellence, and so
that was really where mycoaching got rooted probably is
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as a kid, and a lot of us werelate to that because we have
kids that you know we get asoccer coach or a gymnastic
coach or a speech coach,whatever it may be.
We gladly pour out to our kidsto get that, but as adults we
don't often think about that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Mrs Jenkins.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know, I think everybody needs a Mrs Jenkins,
and just in my schooling career,you know there were three or
four people that just stood outI don't even know if they know
it Like what a profound impactthey had on my life.
I'm 16 years or 14 years oldwhen I get on the debate team
and a man stands up and says mygoal in this class is not to win
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championships, although we did.
Our goal is to help you thinkbetter all the days of your life
.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And I'm like whoa big vision.
Yeah, and you know, that put meon a path, and so I am so
thankful for the people like MrsJenkins and Keith Rogers, my
debate and speech coach, and MrsGreen, who taught me to read
and was always.
You know, they're not justcoaches, but they're encouragers
as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, and she was pretty astute right.
We worked with no notes, weworked with no microphones, we
had to project from the stage.
She sat in the middle of thetheater.
Oh my life, it just was such aprofound experience.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do you think that a coach can help you change your
belief pattern, your beliefsystem?
Because that's what happenedfor me.
I didn't realize it at the time.
But in your world, in coaching,can a coach help that belief
system at a very, very impactfullevel.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah.
So how I think about a coachingsession is I'm listening deeply
to everything you say, hangingon to every word, and as humans,
we throw away a lot of ourthoughts.
I could never do that.
We throw away a lot of ourthoughts.
I could never do that.
That's not something I couldever achieve, right?
We have these words, that kindof like, fall out of our vocal
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cords and we don't realize whatwe say to ourself.
So can a coach change yourbelief?
I think the answer to that isno.
Can a coach help you see whatyour belief is, so you can make
the change?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There you go, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Right see what your belief is so you can make the
change Absolutely.
Because coaching, differentthan like consulting or
counseling, is about you makingthe identifying and making the
change, and it's it's like thistease out process.
We're always teasing out thewords.
What does that mean?
When you say this word, whatdoes that definition for you?
Definitions of words are verydifferent for different people?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, because of the way we perceive everything.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Absolutely, and so when we talk about courage or
fear, or whatever that wordmight be, there's different
definitions that sit behind it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I am never again praying for courage, ever I'm
never doing that Whenever I prayfor courage.
The only place you need courageis when fear is present.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Right, it only shows up when fear is present.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Hey God, give me some courage.
All right, here's some flyingspider monkeys with flaming
arrows.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, I like.
The visual is like here's thefear meter, and only when the
fear meter rises can couragerise above it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, there's no need for courage when your car is
parked.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's like your inner superhero is how you think about
courage.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Very cool, so talk about the most powerful advice
that you've ever received onyour end.
That maybe changed yourperspective on how coaching
works and how it affects people.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I think it's just this word possibility, right.
Possibility is there's reallyvery few things that are
impossible.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right If we start to just look at it in kind of a
black and white term, but justthis question or idea of what's
possible here, what's possiblefor you, and so having Aaron
seed that little mustard seed.
All those years ago I workedwith a coach that he recently
passed away, dan Miller fromFranklin, tennessee.
He was amazing and he said youknow, what does this situation
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make possible?
What's possible here?
And whether you're dealing withsomething negative or positive,
there's possibility that cancome from that.
Sometimes we don't always seeit in the moment, so I think
it's like, well, if somebodyelse has done it, then that's
possible for me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So his question was what is possible?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah.
What does this situation makepossible?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know, kind of just being in the mix of things.
What does this make possible?
Right, might make a newrelationship possible, a new
idea possible, a new connectionpossible.
And there's a relational aspectto what we're talking about
that it's important to havecommunity talking about that.
It's important to havecommunity.
It's important to have peoplearound you that are going to
cheer you on, share insights,because a coach is going to be
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your advocate.
They're not going to be yourspouse or your friend.
They're going to love on youand be nice to you, but they're
also going to call you out.
That's what you're paying for.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know, and don't you think that we need?
As entrepreneurs, we can be asdisconnected as we want to be,
and many of us are solo pilotsout there trying to fight the
world, you know, just on our own.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I mean a coach.
We need people to call us out.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We do, we do.
And it's funny that you bringup a pilot, because on the way
here this morning I was thinkingit's kind of like a co-pilot,
right, the reason why anairplane has a co-pilot is in
case something starts to get offtrack Right.
It's going to support the pilot, support the systems, do the
checks have a second set of eyesand it's a pretty critical
thing when you're on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, I've been on occasion to be in a single
piloted airplane and it was adifferent experience.
My attention was much moreaware that there was no co-pilot
, but it is kind of co-pilingalong and so I think it's that
place of possibility.
I have a belief, kind of goingback to your question about
belief systems, if someone elsehas done it, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Right, if one can, all can.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Now that doesn't mean that I have these Olympic
aspirations in my mind.
When I say that, I just mean ifsomeone's proved it out and
they've been able to achieve it,that if I do the same things
relatively, I should be able toachieve something similar.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So the possibility is there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's kind of like when they broke the four-minute
mile the first time.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know, it took whatever hundreds of years.
Nobody thought you could do itand your body would die.
And then the fellow did and Iapologize, I forgot his name,
jim, something or other and hebroke the four minute mile
within a year.
I think three or four morepeople did as well, and now
that's just the standard.
Yeah, and belief changes basedon your perception of
possibility, which you weresaying.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, and it's this expansion.
I'll give you a recent exampleand I'm not good with athletic
names, but I watched thechampionship ice skater this
past week or so and he performedsix quads in his routine
flawlessly.
He set a new bar.
That's never been done in thisindustry and in the skating
industry and I watched thatperformance and I was like now
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there's new possibility.
Right Now every skater thatgets on the ice with him in
competition knows they got toraise their game or they're
going to not have a higher score, because just the technical
capability of what he raised thebar on was just, it was
astounding, it was amazing.
If you haven't seen it Now.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
everybody knows it's possible.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And that's what your mentor said from Franklin
Tennessee.
What's possible because of this?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah.
What does this make possible?
You know, and those if youapply that to your
decision-making.
So some people feel stuck right, stuck right, and I always say
no one's holding you hostage,like there's possibility here.
What do you need to explore?
And it's that exploration thatstarts the change.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Very cool.
So I think people have amisconception about what
coaching is, what a professional.
I like that word, highperformance coach.
I mean most people think aboutsurvival and success, but high
performance means getting themost out of your vehicle that
you can like, operating withinthe realm of whatever you're
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capable of.
And I think high performancecoach what a great name, high
performance coaching.
But I think people still havemisconceptions about it.
They might be afraid to talk toyou because I mean, I know
there's a lot of reasons theywouldn't cut money, or I don't
have the time or I'm not readyfor that.
I mean, what are themisconceptions about coaching?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
There's a lot of misconceptions, and even I love
the word high-performancebecause that was an orientation
I had.
But I do think of race cardrivers when I think, like I
grew up with people in theracing industry, so like it's
like fine-tuning the engineright Right.
So high performance, if you'renot in those capacities, kind of
has a different definition.
That's why definitions areimportant.
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But the definition we work withis it's a very clear definition
.
It's sustained improvement overthe long term above standard
standard norms, whilemaintaining your well-being and
your relationships.
So we're looking at itholistically and that's from the
High Performance Institute,which is where my certification
comes from, and so that's areally important definition
because we're not looking forpeak performance.
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That's not sustainable.
We can all go to a peak, butyou see that again and again
People get to the top of theirgame but they don't sustain it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So that's not what we're talking about in everyday
ways.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's something that you put, things in place that
you're building and sustainingon all levels To create a
consistent result rather than aone-time grand slam.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So I think even that is one of the top misconceptions
is like I'm going to get inthere and kind of go fast and
hard at things and make a bigdifference in a short period of
time.
That's actually.
It's kind of the fable right theturtle and the hare the turtle
wins because he's consistent,he's pacing, he's, he's taking
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care of his energy.
He's in that story.
There's so much power as itrelates to coaching, but some of
the questions that I often get.
I just was in an Uber inCalifornia recently and he said
why on earth would anybody who'sdoing well need a coach?
I said because they know theywant to do better and they know
that they're not necessarily inthe place to understand and
tease out that next level, toreally have the clarity that
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they need or the vision theyneed or the goals they need or
the connections they need to getthere.
And he was like, oh okay, so Ithink that's one misconception.
And then the other side of thatis everything's broken.
You're in a rut, your life isgoing down in a flame, and that
is a time that a coach can makea big difference.
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But that's not generally whoI'm working with.
Most of the people I'm workingwith they're working well in
their life, but they're wantingto excel and go better.
Sometimes people will go througha big life change I know that
that's happened for you and allof a sudden you get a wake-up
call.
Life looks very different onthe other side of a wake-up call
and it's like I know I had thatwake-up call when I 32 years
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old, when my mom passed away,and it just that moment that she
, she crossed the finish line.
I was like, wow, if I only have20 years left, because this
year I'm 54, this year and mymom is I'm the same age as my
mom was when she passed away.
So this is like a big kind ofanniversary year in my mind,
because I'm like did I live mylife the last 20 years and play
full out Because that was mycommitment?
In that moment it was like, wow, I'm not waiting until I retire
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, I'm not waiting on anythingGood for you.
This time of 20 years is goingto fly by, which it has.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh, man, in a minute.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It does, and so every minute counts, and so I like
the focus of time, because whenwe start to appreciate our time,
then we start to see how muchwe can change, and so the
misconception, I think, issometimes something has to be
really broken or messed up.
Sometimes people go through adivorce, or they go through a
loss of someone, or they gothrough a job loss or change,
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and, by the way, for those ofyou out there, anyone that I've
worked with that's gone throughthose things there's always
something better on the otherside if you take control and
drive where you want to go right.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
There's no snooze button on the wake up call.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, and I think the other yeah it's like it's time
to go.
I think the other thing ispeople kind of have this idea of
like it's out of reach or it'sunaffordable or it's only for
people that are doing reallywell.
I, just an everyday person likeme, wouldn't benefit from this,
and that's just simply untrue.
We are all like I love to useour fingerprints because we're
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uniquely made and we are notmeant to be like anyone else.
God gave us a purpose on thisearth and you may need to
continue to work on fulfillingit and figuring out what it is,
but you have a unique.
You're put here for a reason toconnect with other humans and
make a difference in your lifeand others, and so everyone can
have an experience with coachingthat really helps them.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Now, so you do one-on-one coaching.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That's primarily how you do it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's primarily how I work is one-on-one.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
High performance, one-on-one coaching.
We get busy, high achievers.
Do you ever do any group eventswhere people could come to
learn to know you Is?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
that something you've ever done?
Yes, sometimes I do host agroup events.
I've gotten with COVID.
I always worked one-on-one andthat probably isolated me even
further because these deepconversations they're quiet and
they're intense and they're funand so I don't do as much group,
but sometimes I do get out anddo group sessions or I'll host a
group event because I wantpeople to understand how much
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even collaboration with aquestion can make a difference.
You know there's sociallearning that is important.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, so by the end of our show, I bet there's some
things you'd like our listenersto know about coaching.
Are there some things like Arethere some goals you would have
just for this podcast?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Absolutely One is just the clarity about what
coaching is, kind of dispellingthe myth.
Right, what is this thing thatpeople are calling coaching and
how can it help you?
Right, that's.
The second piece is like, ifyou're out there listening,
where is your blind spot?
Where is your struggle?
Where do you feel stuck, maybe,where do you feel foggy or
unfocused?
All of these are kind of thosewords that go along with it
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might be time to talk tosomebody and see what's out
there for you.
And then where to begin is thepiece that I also want to hit on
in our session because, I thinkpeople don't know where to
start, and sometimes it startswith taking our thoughts and
just writing them down.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
We'll talk about that .
But yeah, those are the threethings.
Just clarity about what it is,how it can help others and how
it can help our listeners.
And then where would they beginif, today, they took the first
step?
What?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
might that first step look like?
And what is the first step?
Just writing everything down.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, so part of it is when I work with people
they'll be like I just, you know, I feel overwhelmed, or I've
got all these ideas, I'm notsure what to do, I'm not sure
which one to start with.
So one is, I think, of ourmental list, right, if we're not
like kind of dumping them outon paper.
I think of it like a paintbucket Just dump them out, right
, and just dump them out Right,and when you dump those thoughts
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on paper, something magicalstarts to happen, where you can
see it differently.
If we leave them up here, Ithink of it like a plate of
spaghetti that we just keepputting more noodles on and they
just kind of slither off and wethrow it back on top, maybe a
day or two later, maybe never,right, and some of those
thoughts are very valuable.
So I always encourage someoneto start with journaling.
Just journal your thoughts,journal your ideas.
You don't know, I believe thoseare like downloads that are
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coming to you Right, especiallyfrom a creative perspective.
Somebody gets it like I hadthis idea that came to me, right
, it woke me up in the middle ofthe night.
I woke up with this idea.
This sounds like a crazy idea.
What should I do with it?
Just write them down, becauseall of a sudden it puts a
different energy in motion, tosee where you can take that idea
.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So do you have them journal?
Maybe even the negative thingsas well, the worries, the fears,
the things that we're trying toconquer.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yes, often I will work with people that they'll
say I'm just not getting anysleep, and I just want to say
energy is a core element ofcoaching, because if you're
working from a depleted energytank, you're not going to go as
far and as fast as you can,you're not going to show up for
yourself, your friends, yourfamily, those people that are
important to you, your clients.
So we work on energy, but sleepcomes up often because it's like
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, well, when you're overloaded,right, your mind's working
overtime and so sometimes peoplewill wake up with those racing
thoughts and so journaling,whatever it is, and this is a
practice that I love, and itsounds a little corny, but this
is just how I do it.
It's like sometimes I lose mycar keys.
I'll use this example andthey're misplaced or somewhere,
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and I'll be like, okay, whileI'm resting peacefully, I need
you brain to be working on thesolution and figuring out where
my car keys are.
You know, that's kind of anexample of how I self talk it
out.
But if you put, if you writethose thoughts down, like
whatever those fears or worriesare, all of a sudden you can
start to begin to see differentsolutions.
You know, here's a fear about,maybe, finances, or a fear about
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a relationship, or a fear of afailure, right, or there's all
kinds of fears that we can andfears are real to people.
So, we want to kind of take thatenergy away from the fear, and
I think when you write them downit kind of just takes the
oxygen out of fear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So a good starting point write these things down,
good or bad, whether it's anobjective or a fear, and just
start to evaluate them.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, and that's a great self-exercise.
Right To begin thinking aboutwhat is important to you, Right?
And most people don't ever evenspend five minutes with their
self literally to think abouthey, by the end of this year,
where do I want to be Right, orwhat do I not like?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
right now that I want to change, and I think that's
an interesting thing Things thatyou want out of your life, and
it might be people, it might bethings, it might be behaviors.
I mean, what a great thing todo to write it.
And I'm that guy, I've writtenthings down forever.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So I agree with that.
I mean almost all personaldevelopment that you go back to.
Gratitude is a key element.
Like to wake up and be gratefulfor the sun, that you have
fresh sheets, that you get totake a hot shower, that we live
in America, in an amazingcountry.
Right, we have our problems,but this is still the greatest
place on earth to be.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think that's maybe that's a great starting point.
You know I work in thefinancial world and I like to
talk to people about okay, Iknow what you don't have.
Let's talk about what you dohave.
Let's talk about these values,this life that you've had, and I
think that's such a greatstarting point.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, and with your line of work, like money,
mindset comes up in sessions allthe time right.
Like our beliefs are what ourparents and their habits and
routines.
Maybe somebody gave us a giftof their belief or thinking and
we've just kind of carried italong like a little piece of
luggage in our life and it'sokay to kick it out.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Like you can get rid of that piece of luggage, yeah
we call that junk in the trunk,like is there stuff that we need
to remove?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, good for you coaching it.
So there are other coaches outin the world and I know there's
lots of kinds of coaches.
What separates you?
Why are you different?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I know you're certified.
I think that's a great startingpoint and you've got a great
mentor in Aaron and you've beenat this quite a while.
But let's differentiate fromwhere you are and some of the
others, not in a negative way,but in a positive way.
What makes you different?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So one a common question is do I need a
certified coach?
Am I certified or not certifiedwhen you hire a coach?
I'll use this example.
I had to go get a wedding giftsack and I went to Dollar
General and on the door when Iwalked in was we're hiring
part-time cashiers for $22 anhour.
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So I'm a math person.
I'm like okay, they're $22,000a year.
You can get a part-time cashier.
Well, the distinction incoaching is your skills, your
experience, your certifications.
It's a life accumulation thatwhen you're sitting one-on-one
with a coach, you're getting thebenefit of a lot in that
session.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
And so certification like people have business
certifications, mine happens tobe in high performance.
I have several certificationsand the distinction in the high
performance, which I love, isbecause we custom tailor it
right to you and it meets peoplewhere they are.
But it was actually sciencestudied Right.
So they did the science work tosay what makes high performers
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high performers and what did welearn about those elements of
high performers.
And they did.
They studied, like millions ofpeople and interviewed hundreds
of leaders across the world.
So it's science basedbased andoutcome-driven.
That's very different than alot of other coaching.
Sometimes there is coachingthat's like well, here's my
orientation, so let me share itwith you and see how it goes for
you.
There is that kind of coaching,but this one is very specific.
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We're outcome-driven, based onwhat you are saying is important
.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Right, so we're going to take a break here, a
commercial break in a second.
But before we do, where can wefind you on the social world and
the internets?
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yes, so you can find me on LinkedIn and Michelle
Hammons, and you can also findme on my website, which is
creativityplaybookcom, and onthat site we'll talk about a
couple of tools that can help.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
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We're here today with MichelleHammons and we're talking about
high performance coaching and Ilove, I love that word.
You can find her at creativityplaybookcom.
You can find her on LinkedInand you're on Facebook as well,
and we can find your podcastagain on I guess we're on
(29:00):
YouTube as well and all theseother spots, so you're kind of
out there.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, out there you can Google me.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You Google pretty well, very, very cool.
So we're talking today abouthigh-performance coaching and
we're talking about the coachingindustry as well, but insights
on coaching that the I don'twant to say the average person,
but the average entrepreneurmight not know, but you've
worked on this a long time.
You've been on the inside ofentrepreneurship.
(29:27):
The thing I love about coachingand I love repeating this is we
all need another set of eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But we have a rearview mirror and a windshield
and it just gives us adifferent visual.
I'm a golfer.
Favorite golfer in the world isJack Nicklaus.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And about every year of his career he would go back
to his coach, even when he wasgreat, and he would say, hey, I
want to learn to play golf.
This year and every year inJanuary, they would work on the
basics, the stance, the grip,all of it.
And if it's good enough for thegreatest athletes in the world,
then it can be great enough forentrepreneurs trying to climb
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their own ladder.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely, and you know any champion you look at.
There's no way they would wakeup without a coach.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No way.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, when we think about, I think of like Simone
Biles or Tiger Woods or you knowjust all these amazing people
out there.
They know not only do they needone coach, they might need
multiple coaches for theirdistinctions, for those
techniques that they're lookingfor in their performance, and
that works true forentrepreneurs as well.
Our performance is we show upwith our business community and
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we're trying to make adifference most of the time and
we're trying to have life andwork balance and we're trying to
have a relationship, sometimeswith the spouse that we work
with, which can be another wholelevel when we think about that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, you definitely need some coaching on that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, and so I think part of what, when we look
through that entrepreneuriallens, is a coach is your
advocate.
It's somebody you can kind ofbring your frustrations, to
bring your emotions to that it'snot going to be pouring it out
on the dinner table every nightwith your spouse or your family,
or it's just to help you havethat advocacy for yourself.
(31:11):
And I work with couples andthere's, you know, amazing
things that happen when coupleswork together in coaching or
entrepreneurs work asindividuals, but there's all
these distinctions that they canfind that are important to them
and so much like, I think,entrepreneurs.
As I said earlier, they they'reso resilient and they work long
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hours and they often don'talways take the time to take
care of their self and then theyfind their self years later,
just maybe feeling burned out orstressed out or maybe not
really with a plan, a good exitstrategy.
Right, we all need an exitstrategy.
We're all going to retiresomeday.
So these are the things that wework on holistically all the
time.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So well, tell us what is a strategy or an insight
that, once people learn it, isgame changing for them.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
So for me I go back to this element of time Time is
our most finite resource andit's our most precious commodity
.
You can go make all the moneyin the world, but you cannot buy
not one minute more of time,and so how we spend our time
becomes this very importantcheckbook that we need to pay
attention to.
I'm like a lot of people payattention to their finances, and
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you should, but you should payattention to your time more,
because it's the thing that,depending on what you do with it
, is going to create a lot ofother results in your life,
including relationships,finances, business success,
experiences that you want tohave in your life.
So I always like to break itdown and this is one of the
tools that I'll share later, butit's just getting clear on your
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time, right, most of us thatwork, we're going to work and.
I'd say entrepreneurs workprobably eight to 12 hours a day
is the average, somewhere inthere.
But let's just say it's eightfor this example, and maybe
let's say we're getting goodsleep, so that's eight.
So you've knocked off 16 hoursout of 24.
You've got a finite amount ofeight hours, or probably a lot
less, to get everything elsedone in your life Right hours,
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or probably a lot less, to geteverything else done in your
life Right your socialobligations, your family
obligations, your healthobligations, your cooking
healthy meals or you know allthose things that it comes down
to this like finite amount oftime.
So if you're not aiming yourfocus in a really laser sharp
fashion, you're probably goingto miss or let time leak or
drift.
That's going to be unproductive.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's a great phrase aiming your focus.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, fire aim ready.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, oh, I love it yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And so for me, I think it's like for that was my
wake up call about time.
In that moment I was like, wow,if I only have 20 years left,
how am I going to live it?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Right, I kind of put that mile marker out there on
the horizon, and so sometimes Ithink we think we have a lot of
time or we'll, you know, do thisstuff when our kids graduate
from high school or go tocollege.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
As soon as.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
We'll do this thing, the next thing that happens.
As soon as I'm out of debt, theNew Year's resolutions, and so
you've got to really takecontrol of your time every day,
every day, and really own howyou want to spend it.
And we get caught up in otherpeople's agendas.
We get caught up.
How much does this messpeople's lives up?
(34:11):
Oh, the cell phone.
So it's such a powerful tool.
I'm a technology person, so.
But if you're out there, I wantyou to go into your phone and I
know this Apple setting is asettings screen time and I want
you to turn it on the average.
The average for a kid is eighthours or more a day.
Wow.
The average for an adult isabout four hours a day or more.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So a common thing that I hear is well, I don't
have time to work on that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right, we come back to time, because time is our
limiting commodity.
Well, I love that tool.
It's an awareness tool, not ajudgment tool.
And I say, okay, I want you toreally look because it'll tell
you minute by minute.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Are we?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
on texting.
Are we on Facebook, are we onYouTube?
Are we on TikTok, are we on?
And there's no judgment insocial media, it's social.
So carving out some time ifthat's something you enjoy is
fine, but if you're spendinghours on it, one, you're killing
your relationships, because,living out of your phone and I
hear this answer, but I use itfor business and I go okay,
(35:10):
let's evaluate that a littledeeper, because that may be true
, but I bet there's some timeyou can reclaim.
And even 10 minutes a day is 40hours a year and you can move
the needle a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's an extra week a year.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's an extra week a year.
Wow, needle a lot, that's anextra week a year.
That's an extra week a year,wow.
And so that's why I love totake time up and down the scale,
because you might say you don'thave time to do something, but
if we can start taking back 10and 15 minutes at a time, that's
just drifting into nowhere land.
You may not even have aconscious awareness about it and
we start applying it to yourreal dreams.
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That put fire in your belly andyou're like if I could, if this
was possible.
That's where we bring thatpossibility back, because you've
got to have time to work onthings.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Amen, an extra week a year, there's your extra
vacation.
Yeah, I mean, a lot can happenin a week.
That's when you yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
When you can have concentrated focus.
So now we have to change ourhabits, right, because we may
only get to do it 10 or 15minutes a day, but that over
time is compounded and you gotto know what you got to do and
jump in and jump out, becauseyou've got other priorities too.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Right, wow, that's a pretty good tip right there.
Laser focus, reduce Facebook,get a free vacation.
I may have skipped a step inthere, but so so what's one
mechanism or things, what'ssomething somebody could learn
that they could implement rightaway from you as a coach.
If you were just talking to acrowd and you wanted to have one
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giveaway, what's that onegiveaway they could implement
and see value pretty quicklytaking control of your time is
probably the primary.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You know if you're not working with a calendar and
this isn't.
You know, when we talk aboutthis, I don't want you to plan
every minute of your day.
That's not the goal here, not tohave it all sliced and diced in
the calendar, but it's like tohave these time blocks that
represent is this what'simportant, or what are you doing
?
Because it's the awarenesspiece of what are you doing that
starts you to, because it's theawareness piece of what are you
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doing that starts you to, givesyou the visibility to see I can
move this, I can, I can changethis.
I don't have to serve on fiveboards in my community.
Maybe I need to pick the topone and gain four hours back a
month, right so, and all ofthose things are important.
So it depends on the person, itdepends on the priorities, but
what I find is, when peoplereally assess their time, that
they start start to see.
(37:28):
Well, this was because I saidyes to this thing and this was
because I said yes to that thing, and this was something that my
friend asked me to help withand my community asked me to do,
and, all of a sudden, thisfinite amount of time that we
had is serving other people'sagendas.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, and if you give up those you find those other
four hours a month.
That's another 48 hours a yearExactly Now you got a two week
vacation.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
That's right and that is exactly like.
That's why I like to blow themath up and down the scale,
because it matters.
It really does matter.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You use the word time block just to explain that very
briefly for our listeners,because there's brilliance in
this, and would you explain timeblock?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah.
So time blocking would be togive yourself focused time to
work on something.
And so for people who go into abusiness like a retail store,
probably eight hours of theirday, if they're open retail and
they're managing the frontcounter which hopefully, if
you're the entrepreneur andowner, you're doing some of that
, but you have some other timefor other things.
So business administration, forexample.
So business administration, forexample, getting the things
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done that need to be done,paying the bills, doing that
stuff that's like non-revenueproducing You've got to have
very dedicated time to work onthose things.
You also may have time to docustomer relationships, for
example, or nurturing new.
You working on the things thatare going to keep your business
viable and are you making timefor them?
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Because entrepreneurs they'llsay, well, I'm going to do the
job that I'm doing during theday and then I'll go home and
work on the bills tonight, orI'll work on my email list, or
I'll work on whatever thosethings are they're working on
and they don't really put themup in the business day, if that
makes sense, and so you takethat time block and you lift it
this day, if that makes senseand that.
So you take that time block andyou lift it.
But the time block is toestablish with clarity what am I
going to do for for betweennine and 10 this morning and
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what is my intention in thishour.
And then, how am I going tomeasure where I'm at at the end
of it?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Right, those are those little things and I love
that.
When we look at the clock right, you can have a 60 minute block
.
You can have four blocks of 15.
You can have two blocks of 30.
You can have three blocks of 20.
You can have six blocks of 10.
If you start getting morefinite about your task list, you
can break that time down whereit starts to get more efficient.
Now, most of us areunderestimating how long things
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are going to take and we'reovercommitted and you cannot see
that.
That's a blind spot becauseyou're not writing it down, and
so that writing you know,capturing a calendar, whether
it's on paper or in a digitalformat, is important.
The second piece of that is, ifyou don't do what you said you
were going to do which happensall the time because this is a
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life roadmap and life is goingto happen to us we're going to
get knocked off our schedule.
You're going to want to go andgive yourself credit for what
you did do.
It was probably important.
It was probably a competinginterest to the other things
that you didn't think about.
That's why writing things downhelps.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So is that where the difficulty, integrating these
things are?
I mean, integrating change isthe challenge, I think.
Sometimes, maybe you show uswhat to change or how to change
it, but you know it's got tobecome a habit though, right.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, it's got to become a habit and, by the way,
we have to be a little kinder toourself.
Like we're going to fumble,we're going to stumble, we're
going to fall, we're going toknock ourself down, right?
We're not looking forperfection.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right, but a coach will help you integrate because
they can you know if you'remeeting once a week or twice a
month, or however that works out.
The coach can help integratethese changes through, maybe,
accountability.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, definitely accountability.
We check in, celebrate wins,right.
We want to see where things aregoing and hey, where did it not
go so well?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So give me an example .
What would you say to somebodylike me, you know, if I'm
failing to integrate something?
What is the verbiage that acoach would use to go hey, Cash,
pull your head out, I mean,what would your words be?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
So do you have an example, like a real example of
a challenge, maybe?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Everything's challenging, you know, in
business, just trying to juggleall the plates and maybe one of
them is just building your CRMbetter.
You know that's something we'reworking on right now building
our database better.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
So CRMs can be very robust tools and they can be
like an empty Sam's warehousewhen you start right.
And you got to build it and putevery aisle the way you want it.
So it's one to define thepriorities right.
What's most important firstright and start working in a
priority order.
The other thing is you said Ihave many things to do.
So I often hear I talked tosomeone yesterday, I put many
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things on my list.
I go how many is many?
Well, there's probably 25.
Well, I can tell you, if you'reout there and you're putting 25
things on your list, you'restarting with a very
unreasonable expectation.
Our recommendation is three keyneedle moving things a day.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
In high performance, right, so we're going to focus
in on those.
It doesn't mean those otherlittle things don't get
sprinkled in, but when you getdown to that time, we want you
to be working on the needle,moving things, not the task
mastering.
This feels good and I get tocheck it off my list and I feel
some fun endorphins that flow.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So what is the next step?
For our listeners, if they likethe idea of coaching, how do
they?
I mean what?
What do they do next with you?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, so just like we're sitting here having a
conversation and exploringwhat's going on, you know, what
are you what?
What are you thinking about,what's on your mind, what are
your priorities?
It's just a possibility session.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I go back to that word Possibility session.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And it's.
Someone can book that on my, mycalendar, and we just spend 30
minutes saying, okay, where areyou at, what's on, what's
prompting you to think you mightwant to have this conversation?
Usually there's been a changeor something's going on that's
stirring that, and so we try tojust add as much value in that
30 minutes that we spendtogether just breaking it down
and then evaluating Is this areally, would this be a good
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thing to take a next step with,or are there other resources or
things that might help you?
We all start somewhere.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
So are there people that probably shouldn't get a
coach?
I mean, you meet people andmaybe they're not ready.
How do you delicately say thatto somebody Like I don't think
this is right for you?
How does that go?
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, so that's part of the conversation, right?
What's?
Are you ready to make somechanges?
Because if there's not areadiness and a growth mindset,
then it's a waste of money.
Right?
I wouldn't recommend someone doit and again, sometimes
depending on where we are in ourlife season and timeline, like
I remember way back when Istarted in personal development,
it was starting with books.
It was starting with.
(43:59):
I'm going to date myselfcassette tapes from Nightingale
Conant.
And so when you, so you don'thave again going back to the
financial investment, the levelyou invest in as a coach.
You're going to get the levelback in return for the dreams
that you're going to leave onhold if you don't have support.
But you can start in otherplaces.
(44:19):
So not everybody's in thatposition.
So sometimes it's a resourcerecommendation hey, I think you
need to work on refining yourschedule and routine and then
we'll come into the practice ofcoaching.
Right, but we can do that aspart of it too.
It's just sometimes peoplestart at different places.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay, so do you see, is there one common thing that
entrepreneurs like that's themost common thing that they need
coaching on?
I mean, you said some greatthings writing everything down.
I think that's a gem.
You know managing your time.
Is there one thing that seemsto be the most common discussed
item?
Absolutely, and I'm asking thisfor a friend.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, yeah.
There's two things.
One I believe, as a creative,that if in my mind I can't see
it as clear as a photograph, Iknow I won't achieve it Like.
That's how clear it has to befor me personally.
Now that may not be true forothers.
So, vision right, the clearvision, but the clarity is the
key.
If you feel stuck or foggy orfuzzy or not sure what to do
(45:18):
next, there is and you need todig for more clarity.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
OK.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And clarity has another word that's its best
friend, and it's calledspecificity.
So clarity says this year I amgoing to grow in my business by
20%.
Specificity says I'm going togrow my email list by 10,000
people and I'm going to makeroutine offers to provide my
services or whatever thosethings may be to get me there
(45:45):
right.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
That next layer or two or three down in specificity
is where entrepreneurs getstuck, got it.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
So is the specificity , how to do the thing on some
level.
Well, it's the clarity thattakes it down from this kind of
global thinking down to theroadmap.
Okay, right, we're going toland it on the highway, is what
I say.
Okay, and know where you'redriving towards.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Very cool.
So for those people ready to goto the next level with you, I
mean, I don't know.
I think this is such abeautiful topic and I hope we
can revisit this again, becauseI don't think this is a one-show
kind of topic.
I think coaching is so valuableLike I don't know man.
(46:32):
I mean this transforms lives,right.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It does, it transforms lives.
It literally has saved peoplein their marriages.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
You know the relational side of it is huge,
but it also saves businesses,right?
Because if you don't have thatinsight, that one insight might
be the difference of you keepingthe doors open or closing them.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, that's a great thing to say.
When you say that this savesbusinesses and marriages, do you
feel like this businessfrustration that many people
have has a negative compoundeffect on their lives and their
personal lives?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Sure when you're under financial stress.
for example right, I did creditcounseling earlier in my career
and financial stress will takeyou down.
You know any stress will takeyou down.
There's plenty of medical datathat says, hey, the stress has
an impact on our health.
So if you are feeling thosestressors, it's like okay, what
can we do about it.
And I guarantee you, likethere's 8 billion people on this
(47:25):
planet.
There's other warm, friendly,feeling those stressors.
It's like okay, what can we doabout it?
And I guarantee you, likethere's 8 billion people on this
planet, there's other warm,friendly, loving people out
there that have been there.
They've done it just a fewsteps more than you have and a
coach can help you.
But also, you know, if you'renot at that, if you're not ready
for that, get a mentor, get acoach, get a counselor.
There's distinctions in all ofthose things.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I think everybody needs a mentor, and what most
people have is a tour mentor,which is their alter ego.
Who's sitting there judging?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
them.
That's a great yeah, we do itto ourselves right when you
think about how hard we are onourselves as entrepreneurs?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
We are here with Michelle Hammons and the
creativityplaybookcom.
You can find her all overFacebook and LinkedIn as well.
Now, you've given us so muchtoday and thank you so much for
your insight.
Do you have an extra businessnugget for it?
This is like nine businessnuggets you've already given us.
Is one of those the mostimportant?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, don't stay stuck.
Be humble enough to ask forhelp.
Raise your hand.
It's not a sign of weakness.
It's not a sign of anythingother than we all need help in
this world, and if you're braveenough to ask, you're going to
take yourself into a new placeby doing it.
And so don't sit there alonestuck.
Ask for help.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
That is great wisdom.
The money right there.
I like it.
That's the money.
I think that's great.
You know, asking for help isnot giving up.
Asking for help is refusing togive up.
And if you're looking for helpto go to the next level,
michelle Hammons is somebody youmay want to visit with, have a
cup of coffee with and find outhey, here's where I am, here's
where I want to go.
(48:57):
Do you see a different route?
Did we get that all?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
right, you got it.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You got it, michelle thank you for being here today.
What a great show this one I'llwatch again.
So thank you for being heretoday at Cash Flows.
You know we are here to promoteeach other, to love on one
another and to push the needlein business life,
entrepreneurship or otherendeavors, and we bring in
experts in that field, and wehope you've had a great day.
Remember today's a great day toforgive somebody.
(49:27):
Forgiveness is not about them,it is about you and living a
life without all of thatpressure of holding onto a
grudge.
Kenneth, thank you for anothergreat show.
Thanks to our listeners and ourwatchers and to our friends out
there in Cashflow's world.
I'm Cash Matthews.
We're glad you're here today,thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of cash flows.
Hello, entrepreneurs dreamers, business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Welcome to Cash Flows with yourhost, cash Matthews.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, good morning, welcome to Cash Flows.
I'm Cash Matthews, your host,and we're very happy that you're
here today.
I think this is podcast number111 that we've done together, or
close to that.
It's pretty close, somethinglike that, and our guest today
is Michelle Hammons and we'llvisit with her just in a moment,
but I've got a great showplanned for the day.
Kenneth, how are things in yourworld before we get going?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Things are pretty good.
The winds are sweeping down theplane, oh yes, yeah, I think
that's enjoyable.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is Unless you have allergies, or a car that has
green stuff all over it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's also true.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Yeah, okay, well, hey , we're glad you're here today.
The Cash Flows Podcast isdesigned for, as the intro says,
happy people and entrepreneursand people moving forward.
And you know our method is onthe board behind us, but it is
fire ready aim, and we love totalk to people about taking the
(01:06):
next step in their journey,whether that's personal, family,
health, spiritual.
But of course, we talk a lotabout business because a lot of
us are in the business world andthis idea was spawned out of a
networking group that actuallythe three of us helped build in
the local community.
That's grown to 7,600 peoplethe business owners networking
group.
The bong, for those who findthat funny, I had never seen a
(01:28):
bong, didn't know what it was.
I missed out on that in theseventies, I was busy, and.
But I have since learned what abong is and I've heard all the
jokes.
It's a hit and yeah it's stillnot that funny, I don't know
there's.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
There's several other jokes, jokes too.
I was going to say them, but II can't think.
Well, you're what hey?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
you're welcome to throw a joke in there.
Michelle you as well but anywayso we're going to fire aim
ready today.
Our guest today is michellehammonds, and this is going to
be a great conversation.
Uh, today we get to talk aboutthe world of professional
coaching yes we have a lot ofarmchair quarterbacks oh, I saw
this, saw this on YouTube and alot of Dr Googles out there who
self-diagnose man.
(02:08):
I am a fan of coaching and I'ma fan of sports and I'm a fan of
business.
Now that I've been in businessover 40 years, I look back and
some of those moments for me,michelle, that were the greatest
were at the hands of somebodywho could see what I cannot see.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
At the hands of somebody who could see what I
cannot see.
Yes, and the value in that forme and my career is just
immeasurable.
And you know, as I mean, and weall work with entrepreneurs,
the thousands of entrepreneursin the bong and just out in the
world and everybody's trying tofind the way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And you know, and it doesn't matter what level of
success you've had or are,having man, a coach is a good
idea, and I'm a sports nut andI'm a golf nut more importantly,
but I've studied many greatathletes and that we get to talk
about coaching today for me, Iam excited about this and if
(03:04):
you're listening to this andyour life or business or weight
or whatever is not where itought to be, find somebody who
can help you.
You know all the athletes.
So many of the business peoplewill credit a mentor type and I,
you know, think a lot of peoplejust getting in business
they're worried about the costof the coach, and I know we're
going to talk about that.
But, man, you ought to see thecost of not having a coach and
(03:26):
it's the difference betweenwhere you are and that ultimate
dream level, and that's the costof not coach, and so we're
going to talk about the day.
So, michelle, thank you forbeing here with us.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Well, thank you for being here.
I'm excited to see your face.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I am glad to be here as well, and I don't know, maybe
this is what heaven looks likeand maybe we're all here.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
I could go with that.
Well, tell us a little bit.
I know we've mentioned thisbefore we met at the bong.
Tell us just give us a run upto how you got to this spot in
your life and you're aprofessional coach.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Yes, I'm a high performance executive coach.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Okay, we want to hear the words.
High performance executivecoach yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I've been doing that full time for the past
seven years and working withpeople all over the world, in
the community and in every statealmost in the union, and so I
have a.
I've logged about 5,000 hoursof one-on-one conversations in
that time, and the depth andbreadth of that experience gives
you all these new insights.
Right, there's one thing tohave a coach, but then when you
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immerse yourself at that level,you get these new distinctions
about human behavior and whatdrives us.
And so I got started incoaching from actually a coach.
That's one of our long members,aaron.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Oh, man, one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Aaron and I have gone .
We go back a long way and we Iremember this moment.
I was sitting in aaron's officeI hope she'll be listening to
this and she said oh, have youever thought about being a coach
?
And this was when I was acorporate leader and I was like,
what would I do as a coach?
You know there was.
I didn't know about the industry.
That's really, and that's whythe basis of our talk today is
(05:05):
just to really help peopleunderstand what this is and how
it helps people.
And so it was really that sparkright, that blind spot that I'd
never heard of.
I didn't know.
From there I started learningand understanding.
And there is a lot of differentflavors.
We're in springtime, so thedifferent varieties of coaches
(05:36):
out there that all do amazingwork and it's a billion-dollar
industry, right?
Or corporate coaching, there'spersonal development coaching.
There's these different kind offlavors that are out there.
But I always like to highlightthis is no joke.
This is a big business.
There's a lot of money that'sbeing invested because the value
that comes out of it, as yousaid, it's not the cost of
having a coach, it's the cost ifyou don't have one.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
And so really my journey started with having a
coach and in that same time ofseven years, I've never been
without a coach.
I've got, I've had theprivilege and opportunity to
work with some amazing highlevel coaches.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, if you've worked with Erin Garcia, you've
worked with one of the best.
Yeah, she's amazing.
Yeah, she's tremendous.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And along with others too, and so I think, though, if
I were to take it back earlier,like you were saying, there's
that person that unpacks theinsight.
I really was lucky.
So I grew up here in Tulsa andwe had, I had amazing teachers,
you know, and teachers kind ofare like coaches in the big way.
And I had this incredible coachsquad of teachers, is what I
(06:37):
would say and so we.
We grew up in an elementaryschool that moved into Wright
Junior High, which had anauditorium and our teacher,
drama teacher, mrs Jenkins.
Every class we would go down tothe auditorium and she'd get us
on stage.
We were on stage every day aspart of our class.
The gift she gave everyone thatcrossed her path was this gift
(06:59):
of no fear of public speaking.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Which is an incredible gift that we didn't
know we were getting.
That's had a lifetime impact onme personally, and so we never
know that moment and I alwayshad grew up with teachers and
coaches that they saw gold, theysaw blue, they didn't see
anything but being the bestexcelling for excellence, and so
that was really where mycoaching got rooted probably is
(07:24):
as a kid, and a lot of us werelate to that because we have
kids that you know we get asoccer coach or a gymnastic
coach or a speech coach,whatever it may be.
We gladly pour out to our kidsto get that, but as adults we
don't often think about that.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Mrs Jenkins.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know, I think everybody needs a Mrs Jenkins,
and just in my schooling career,you know there were three or
four people that just stood outI don't even know if they know
it Like what a profound impactthey had on my life.
I'm 16 years or 14 years oldwhen I get on the debate team
and a man stands up and says mygoal in this class is not to win
(08:01):
championships, although we did.
Our goal is to help you thinkbetter all the days of your life
.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
And I'm like whoa big vision.
Yeah, and you know, that put meon a path, and so I am so
thankful for the people like MrsJenkins and Keith Rogers, my
debate and speech coach, and MrsGreen, who taught me to read
and was always.
You know, they're not justcoaches, but they're encouragers
as well.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, and she was pretty astute right.
We worked with no notes, weworked with no microphones, we
had to project from the stage.
She sat in the middle of thetheater.
Oh my life, it just was such aprofound experience.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Do you think that a coach can help you change your
belief pattern, your beliefsystem?
Because that's what happenedfor me.
I didn't realize it at the time.
But in your world, in coaching,can a coach help that belief
system at a very, very impactfullevel.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah.
So how I think about a coachingsession is I'm listening deeply
to everything you say, hangingon to every word, and as humans,
we throw away a lot of ourthoughts.
I could never do that.
We throw away a lot of ourthoughts.
I could never do that.
That's not something I couldever achieve, right?
We have these words, that kindof like, fall out of our vocal
(09:31):
cords and we don't realize whatwe say to ourself.
So can a coach change yourbelief?
I think the answer to that isno.
Can a coach help you see whatyour belief is, so you can make
the change?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
There you go, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Right see what your belief is so you can make the
change Absolutely.
Because coaching, differentthan like consulting or
counseling, is about you makingthe identifying and making the
change, and it's it's like thistease out process.
We're always teasing out thewords.
What does that mean?
When you say this word, whatdoes that definition for you?
Definitions of words are verydifferent for different people?
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, because of the way we perceive everything.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Absolutely, and so when we talk about courage or
fear, or whatever that wordmight be, there's different
definitions that sit behind it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I am never again praying for courage, ever I'm
never doing that Whenever I prayfor courage.
The only place you need courageis when fear is present.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Right, it only shows up when fear is present.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Hey God, give me some courage.
All right, here's some flyingspider monkeys with flaming
arrows.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, I like.
The visual is like here's thefear meter, and only when the
fear meter rises can couragerise above it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, there's no need for courage when your car is
parked.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
It's like your inner superhero is how you think about
courage.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Very cool, so talk about the most powerful advice
that you've ever received onyour end.
That maybe changed yourperspective on how coaching
works and how it affects people.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I think it's just this word possibility, right.
Possibility is there's reallyvery few things that are
impossible.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right If we start to just look at it in kind of a
black and white term, but justthis question or idea of what's
possible here, what's possiblefor you, and so having Aaron
seed that little mustard seed.
All those years ago I workedwith a coach that he recently
passed away, dan Miller fromFranklin, tennessee.
He was amazing and he said youknow, what does this situation
(11:22):
make possible?
What's possible here?
And whether you're dealing withsomething negative or positive,
there's possibility that cancome from that.
Sometimes we don't always seeit in the moment, so I think
it's like, well, if somebodyelse has done it, then that's
possible for me.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
So his question was what is possible?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah.
What does this situation makepossible?
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
You know, kind of just being in the mix of things.
What does this make possible?
Right, might make a newrelationship possible, a new
idea possible, a new connectionpossible.
And there's a relational aspectto what we're talking about
that it's important to havecommunity talking about that.
It's important to havecommunity.
It's important to have peoplearound you that are going to
cheer you on, share insights,because a coach is going to be
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your advocate.
They're not going to be yourspouse or your friend.
They're going to love on youand be nice to you, but they're
also going to call you out.
That's what you're paying for.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know, and don't you think that we need?
As entrepreneurs, we can be asdisconnected as we want to be,
and many of us are solo pilotsout there trying to fight the
world, you know, just on our own.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
But I mean a coach.
We need people to call us out.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
We do, we do.
And it's funny that you bringup a pilot, because on the way
here this morning I was thinkingit's kind of like a co-pilot,
right, the reason why anairplane has a co-pilot is in
case something starts to get offtrack Right.
It's going to support the pilot, support the systems, do the
checks have a second set of eyesand it's a pretty critical
thing when you're on an airplane.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Right, I've been on occasion to be in a single
piloted airplane and it was adifferent experience.
My attention was much moreaware that there was no co-pilot
, but it is kind of co-pilingalong and so I think it's that
place of possibility.
I have a belief, kind of goingback to your question about
belief systems, if someone elsehas done it, I can do it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Right, if one can, all can.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Now that doesn't mean that I have these Olympic
aspirations in my mind.
When I say that, I just mean ifsomeone's proved it out and
they've been able to achieve it,that if I do the same things
relatively, I should be able toachieve something similar.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
So the possibility is there.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's kind of like when they broke the four-minute
mile the first time.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You know, it took whatever hundreds of years.
Nobody thought you could do itand your body would die.
And then the fellow did and Iapologize, I forgot his name,
jim, something or other and hebroke the four minute mile
within a year.
I think three or four morepeople did as well, and now
that's just the standard.
Yeah, and belief changes basedon your perception of
possibility, which you weresaying.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, and it's this expansion.
I'll give you a recent exampleand I'm not good with athletic
names, but I watched thechampionship ice skater this
past week or so and he performedsix quads in his routine
flawlessly.
He set a new bar.
That's never been done in thisindustry and in the skating
industry and I watched thatperformance and I was like now
(14:09):
there's new possibility.
Right Now every skater thatgets on the ice with him in
competition knows they got toraise their game or they're
going to not have a higher score, because just the technical
capability of what he raised thebar on was just, it was
astounding, it was amazing.
If you haven't seen it Now.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
everybody knows it's possible.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And that's what your mentor said from Franklin
Tennessee.
What's possible because of this?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah.
What does this make possible?
You know, and those if youapply that to your
decision-making.
So some people feel stuck right, stuck right, and I always say
no one's holding you hostage,like there's possibility here.
What do you need to explore?
And it's that exploration thatstarts the change.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Very cool.
So I think people have amisconception about what
coaching is, what a professional.
I like that word, highperformance coach.
I mean most people think aboutsurvival and success, but high
performance means getting themost out of your vehicle that
you can like, operating withinthe realm of whatever you're
(15:13):
capable of.
And I think high performancecoach what a great name, high
performance coaching.
But I think people still havemisconceptions about it.
They might be afraid to talk toyou because I mean, I know
there's a lot of reasons theywouldn't cut money, or I don't
have the time or I'm not readyfor that.
I mean, what are themisconceptions about coaching?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
There's a lot of misconceptions, and even I love
the word high-performancebecause that was an orientation
I had.
But I do think of race cardrivers when I think, like I
grew up with people in theracing industry, so like it's
like fine-tuning the engineright Right.
So high performance, if you'renot in those capacities, kind of
has a different definition.
That's why definitions areimportant.
(15:51):
But the definition we work withis it's a very clear definition
.
It's sustained improvement overthe long term above standard
standard norms, whilemaintaining your well-being and
your relationships.
So we're looking at itholistically and that's from the
High Performance Institute,which is where my certification
comes from, and so that's areally important definition
because we're not looking forpeak performance.
(16:13):
That's not sustainable.
We can all go to a peak, butyou see that again and again
People get to the top of theirgame but they don't sustain it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So that's not what we're talking about in everyday
ways.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
That's something that you put, things in place that
you're building and sustainingon all levels To create a
consistent result rather than aone-time grand slam.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
So I think even that is one of the top misconceptions
is like I'm going to get inthere and kind of go fast and
hard at things and make a bigdifference in a short period of
time.
That's actually.
It's kind of the fable right theturtle and the hare the turtle
wins because he's consistent,he's pacing, he's, he's taking
(16:54):
care of his energy.
He's in that story.
There's so much power as itrelates to coaching, but some of
the questions that I often get.
I just was in an Uber inCalifornia recently and he said
why on earth would anybody who'sdoing well need a coach?
I said because they know theywant to do better and they know
that they're not necessarily inthe place to understand and
tease out that next level, toreally have the clarity that
(17:14):
they need or the vision theyneed or the goals they need or
the connections they need to getthere.
And he was like, oh okay, so Ithink that's one misconception.
And then the other side of thatis everything's broken.
You're in a rut, your life isgoing down in a flame, and that
is a time that a coach can makea big difference.
(17:35):
But that's not generally whoI'm working with.
Most of the people I'm workingwith they're working well in
their life, but they're wantingto excel and go better.
Sometimes people will go througha big life change I know that
that's happened for you and allof a sudden you get a wake-up
call.
Life looks very different onthe other side of a wake-up call
and it's like I know I had thatwake-up call when I 32 years
(18:02):
old, when my mom passed away,and it just that moment that she
, she crossed the finish line.
I was like, wow, if I only have20 years left, because this
year I'm 54, this year and mymom is I'm the same age as my
mom was when she passed away.
So this is like a big kind ofanniversary year in my mind,
because I'm like did I live mylife the last 20 years and play
full out Because that was mycommitment?
In that moment it was like, wow, I'm not waiting until I retire
(18:25):
, I'm not waiting on anythingGood for you.
This time of 20 years is goingto fly by, which it has.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Oh, man, in a minute.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It does, and so every minute counts, and so I like
the focus of time, because whenwe start to appreciate our time,
then we start to see how muchwe can change, and so the
misconception, I think, issometimes something has to be
really broken or messed up.
Sometimes people go through adivorce, or they go through a
loss of someone, or they gothrough a job loss or change,
(18:51):
and, by the way, for those ofyou out there, anyone that I've
worked with that's gone throughthose things there's always
something better on the otherside if you take control and
drive where you want to go right.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
There's no snooze button on the wake up call.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, and I think the other yeah it's like it's time
to go.
I think the other thing ispeople kind of have this idea of
like it's out of reach or it'sunaffordable or it's only for
people that are doing reallywell.
I, just an everyday person likeme, wouldn't benefit from this,
and that's just simply untrue.
We are all like I love to useour fingerprints because we're
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uniquely made and we are notmeant to be like anyone else.
God gave us a purpose on thisearth and you may need to
continue to work on fulfillingit and figuring out what it is,
but you have a unique.
You're put here for a reason toconnect with other humans and
make a difference in your lifeand others, and so everyone can
have an experience with coachingthat really helps them.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Now, so you do one-on-one coaching.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That's primarily how you do it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
That's primarily how I work is one-on-one.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
High performance, one-on-one coaching.
We get busy, high achievers.
Do you ever do any group eventswhere people could come to
learn to know you Is?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
that something you've ever done?
Yes, sometimes I do host agroup events.
I've gotten with COVID.
I always worked one-on-one andthat probably isolated me even
further because these deepconversations they're quiet and
they're intense and they're funand so I don't do as much group,
but sometimes I do get out anddo group sessions or I'll host a
group event because I wantpeople to understand how much
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even collaboration with aquestion can make a difference.
You know there's sociallearning that is important.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Right, so by the end of our show, I bet there's some
things you'd like our listenersto know about coaching.
Are there some things like Arethere some goals you would have
just for this podcast?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Absolutely One is just the clarity about what
coaching is, kind of dispellingthe myth.
Right, what is this thing thatpeople are calling coaching and
how can it help you?
Right, that's.
The second piece is like, ifyou're out there listening,
where is your blind spot?
Where is your struggle?
Where do you feel stuck, maybe,where do you feel foggy or
unfocused?
All of these are kind of thosewords that go along with it
(21:05):
might be time to talk tosomebody and see what's out
there for you.
And then where to begin is thepiece that I also want to hit on
in our session because, I thinkpeople don't know where to
start, and sometimes it startswith taking our thoughts and
just writing them down.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
That's a great idea.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
We'll talk about that .
But yeah, those are the threethings.
Just clarity about what it is,how it can help others and how
it can help our listeners.
And then where would they beginif, today, they took the first
step?
What?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
might that first step look like?
And what is the first step?
Just writing everything down.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah, so part of it is when I work with people
they'll be like I just, you know, I feel overwhelmed, or I've
got all these ideas, I'm notsure what to do, I'm not sure
which one to start with.
So one is, I think, of ourmental list, right, if we're not
like kind of dumping them outon paper.
I think of it like a paintbucket Just dump them out, right
, and just dump them out Right,and when you dump those thoughts
(22:03):
on paper, something magicalstarts to happen, where you can
see it differently.
If we leave them up here, Ithink of it like a plate of
spaghetti that we just keepputting more noodles on and they
just kind of slither off and wethrow it back on top, maybe a
day or two later, maybe never,right, and some of those
thoughts are very valuable.
So I always encourage someoneto start with journaling.
Just journal your thoughts,journal your ideas.
You don't know, I believe thoseare like downloads that are
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coming to you Right, especiallyfrom a creative perspective.
Somebody gets it like I hadthis idea that came to me, right
, it woke me up in the middle ofthe night.
I woke up with this idea.
This sounds like a crazy idea.
What should I do with it?
Just write them down, becauseall of a sudden it puts a
different energy in motion, tosee where you can take that idea
.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So do you have them journal?
Maybe even the negative thingsas well, the worries, the fears,
the things that we're trying toconquer.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yes, often I will work with people that they'll
say I'm just not getting anysleep, and I just want to say
energy is a core element ofcoaching, because if you're
working from a depleted energytank, you're not going to go as
far and as fast as you can,you're not going to show up for
yourself, your friends, yourfamily, those people that are
important to you, your clients.
So we work on energy, but sleepcomes up often because it's like
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, well, when you're overloaded,right, your mind's working
overtime and so sometimes peoplewill wake up with those racing
thoughts and so journaling,whatever it is, and this is a
practice that I love, and itsounds a little corny, but this
is just how I do it.
It's like sometimes I lose mycar keys.
I'll use this example andthey're misplaced or somewhere,
(23:34):
and I'll be like, okay, whileI'm resting peacefully, I need
you brain to be working on thesolution and figuring out where
my car keys are.
You know, that's kind of anexample of how I self talk it
out.
But if you put, if you writethose thoughts down, like
whatever those fears or worriesare, all of a sudden you can
start to begin to see differentsolutions.
You know, here's a fear about,maybe, finances, or a fear about
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a relationship, or a fear of afailure, right, or there's all
kinds of fears that we can andfears are real to people.
So, we want to kind of take thatenergy away from the fear, and
I think when you write them downit kind of just takes the
oxygen out of fear a little bit.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So a good starting point write these things down,
good or bad, whether it's anobjective or a fear, and just
start to evaluate them.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, and that's a great self-exercise.
Right To begin thinking aboutwhat is important to you, Right?
And most people don't ever evenspend five minutes with their
self literally to think abouthey, by the end of this year,
where do I want to be Right, orwhat do I not like?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
right now that I want to change, and I think that's
an interesting thing Things thatyou want out of your life, and
it might be people, it might bethings, it might be behaviors.
I mean, what a great thing todo to write it.
And I'm that guy, I've writtenthings down forever.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
So I agree with that.
I mean almost all personaldevelopment that you go back to.
Gratitude is a key element.
Like to wake up and be gratefulfor the sun, that you have
fresh sheets, that you get totake a hot shower, that we live
in America, in an amazingcountry.
Right, we have our problems,but this is still the greatest
place on earth to be.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think that's maybe that's a great starting point.
You know I work in thefinancial world and I like to
talk to people about okay, Iknow what you don't have.
Let's talk about what you dohave.
Let's talk about these values,this life that you've had, and I
think that's such a greatstarting point.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Yeah, and with your line of work, like money,
mindset comes up in sessions allthe time right.
Like our beliefs are what ourparents and their habits and
routines.
Maybe somebody gave us a giftof their belief or thinking and
we've just kind of carried italong like a little piece of
luggage in our life and it'sokay to kick it out.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Like you can get rid of that piece of luggage, yeah
we call that junk in the trunk,like is there stuff that we need
to remove?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, good for you coaching it.
So there are other coaches outin the world and I know there's
lots of kinds of coaches.
What separates you?
Why are you different?
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
I know you're certified.
I think that's a great startingpoint and you've got a great
mentor in Aaron and you've beenat this quite a while.
But let's differentiate fromwhere you are and some of the
others, not in a negative way,but in a positive way.
What makes you different?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So one a common question is do I need a
certified coach?
Am I certified or not certifiedwhen you hire a coach?
I'll use this example.
I had to go get a wedding giftsack and I went to Dollar
General and on the door when Iwalked in was we're hiring
part-time cashiers for $22 anhour.
(26:31):
So I'm a math person.
I'm like okay, they're $22,000a year.
You can get a part-time cashier.
Well, the distinction incoaching is your skills, your
experience, your certifications.
It's a life accumulation thatwhen you're sitting one-on-one
with a coach, you're getting thebenefit of a lot in that
session.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
And so certification like people have business
certifications, mine happens tobe in high performance.
I have several certificationsand the distinction in the high
performance, which I love, isbecause we custom tailor it
right to you and it meets peoplewhere they are.
But it was actually sciencestudied Right.
So they did the science work tosay what makes high performers
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high performers and what did welearn about those elements of
high performers.
And they did.
They studied, like millions ofpeople and interviewed hundreds
of leaders across the world.
So it's science basedbased andoutcome-driven.
That's very different than alot of other coaching.
Sometimes there is coachingthat's like well, here's my
orientation, so let me share itwith you and see how it goes for
you.
There is that kind of coaching,but this one is very specific.
(27:35):
We're outcome-driven, based onwhat you are saying is important
.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Right, so we're going to take a break here, a
commercial break in a second.
But before we do, where can wefind you on the social world and
the internets?
Where are you?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yes, so you can find me on LinkedIn and Michelle
Hammons, and you can also findme on my website, which is
creativityplaybookcom, and onthat site we'll talk about a
couple of tools that can help.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
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I like it All right.
We're here today with MichelleHammons and we're talking about
high performance coaching and Ilove, I love that word.
You can find her at creativityplaybookcom.
You can find her on LinkedInand you're on Facebook as well,
and we can find your podcastagain on I guess we're on
(29:00):
YouTube as well and all theseother spots, so you're kind of
out there.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, out there you can Google me.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
You Google pretty well, very, very cool.
So we're talking today abouthigh-performance coaching and
we're talking about the coachingindustry as well, but insights
on coaching that the I don'twant to say the average person,
but the average entrepreneurmight not know, but you've
worked on this a long time.
You've been on the inside ofentrepreneurship.
(29:27):
The thing I love about coachingand I love repeating this is we
all need another set of eyes.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
But we have a rearview mirror and a windshield
and it just gives us adifferent visual.
I'm a golfer.
Favorite golfer in the world isJack Nicklaus.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And about every year of his career he would go back
to his coach, even when he wasgreat, and he would say, hey, I
want to learn to play golf.
This year and every year inJanuary, they would work on the
basics, the stance, the grip,all of it.
And if it's good enough for thegreatest athletes in the world,
then it can be great enough forentrepreneurs trying to climb
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their own ladder.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Absolutely, and you know any champion you look at.
There's no way they would wakeup without a coach.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
No way.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Yeah, when we think about, I think of like Simone
Biles or Tiger Woods or you knowjust all these amazing people
out there.
They know not only do they needone coach, they might need
multiple coaches for theirdistinctions, for those
techniques that they're lookingfor in their performance, and
that works true forentrepreneurs as well.
Our performance is we show upwith our business community and
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we're trying to make adifference most of the time and
we're trying to have life andwork balance and we're trying to
have a relationship, sometimeswith the spouse that we work
with, which can be another wholelevel when we think about that.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah, you definitely need some coaching on that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, and so I think part of what, when we look
through that entrepreneuriallens, is a coach is your
advocate.
It's somebody you can kind ofbring your frustrations, to
bring your emotions to that it'snot going to be pouring it out
on the dinner table every nightwith your spouse or your family,
or it's just to help you havethat advocacy for yourself.
(31:11):
And I work with couples andthere's, you know, amazing
things that happen when coupleswork together in coaching or
entrepreneurs work asindividuals, but there's all
these distinctions that they canfind that are important to them
and so much like, I think,entrepreneurs.
As I said earlier, they they'reso resilient and they work long
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hours and they often don'talways take the time to take
care of their self and then theyfind their self years later,
just maybe feeling burned out orstressed out or maybe not
really with a plan, a good exitstrategy.
Right, we all need an exitstrategy.
We're all going to retiresomeday.
So these are the things that wework on holistically all the
time.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So well, tell us what is a strategy or an insight
that, once people learn it, isgame changing for them.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
So for me I go back to this element of time Time is
our most finite resource andit's our most precious commodity
.
You can go make all the moneyin the world, but you cannot buy
not one minute more of time,and so how we spend our time
becomes this very importantcheckbook that we need to pay
attention to.
I'm like a lot of people payattention to their finances, and
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you should, but you should payattention to your time more,
because it's the thing that,depending on what you do with it
, is going to create a lot ofother results in your life,
including relationships,finances, business success,
experiences that you want tohave in your life.
So I always like to break itdown and this is one of the
tools that I'll share later, butit's just getting clear on your
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time, right, most of us thatwork, we're going to work and.
I'd say entrepreneurs workprobably eight to 12 hours a day
is the average, somewhere inthere.
But let's just say it's eightfor this example, and maybe
let's say we're getting goodsleep, so that's eight.
So you've knocked off 16 hoursout of 24.
You've got a finite amount ofeight hours, or probably a lot
less, to get everything elsedone in your life Right hours,
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or probably a lot less, to geteverything else done in your
life Right your socialobligations, your family
obligations, your healthobligations, your cooking
healthy meals or you know allthose things that it comes down
to this like finite amount oftime.
So if you're not aiming yourfocus in a really laser sharp
fashion, you're probably goingto miss or let time leak or
drift.
That's going to be unproductive.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's a great phrase aiming your focus.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, fire aim ready.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, oh, I love it yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
And so for me, I think it's like for that was my
wake up call about time.
In that moment I was like, wow,if I only have 20 years left,
how am I going to live it?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Right, I kind of put that mile marker out there on
the horizon, and so sometimes Ithink we think we have a lot of
time or we'll, you know, do thisstuff when our kids graduate
from high school or go tocollege.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
As soon as.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
We'll do this thing, the next thing that happens.
As soon as I'm out of debt, theNew Year's resolutions, and so
you've got to really takecontrol of your time every day,
every day, and really own howyou want to spend it.
And we get caught up in otherpeople's agendas.
We get caught up.
How much does this messpeople's lives up?
(34:11):
Oh, the cell phone.
So it's such a powerful tool.
I'm a technology person, so.
But if you're out there, I wantyou to go into your phone and I
know this Apple setting is asettings screen time and I want
you to turn it on the average.
The average for a kid is eighthours or more a day.
Wow.
The average for an adult isabout four hours a day or more.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
So a common thing that I hear is well, I don't
have time to work on that.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Right.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Right, we come back to time, because time is our
limiting commodity.
Well, I love that tool.
It's an awareness tool, not ajudgment tool.
And I say, okay, I want you toreally look because it'll tell
you minute by minute.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Are we?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
on texting.
Are we on Facebook, are we onYouTube?
Are we on TikTok, are we on?
And there's no judgment insocial media, it's social.
So carving out some time ifthat's something you enjoy is
fine, but if you're spendinghours on it, one, you're killing
your relationships, because,living out of your phone and I
hear this answer, but I use itfor business and I go okay,
(35:10):
let's evaluate that a littledeeper, because that may be true
, but I bet there's some timeyou can reclaim.
And even 10 minutes a day is 40hours a year and you can move
the needle a lot.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's an extra week a year.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's an extra week a year.
Wow, needle a lot, that's anextra week a year.
That's an extra week a year,wow.
And so that's why I love totake time up and down the scale,
because you might say you don'thave time to do something, but
if we can start taking back 10and 15 minutes at a time, that's
just drifting into nowhere land.
You may not even have aconscious awareness about it and
we start applying it to yourreal dreams.
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That put fire in your belly andyou're like if I could, if this
was possible.
That's where we bring thatpossibility back, because you've
got to have time to work onthings.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Amen, an extra week a year, there's your extra
vacation.
Yeah, I mean, a lot can happenin a week.
That's when you yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
When you can have concentrated focus.
So now we have to change ourhabits, right, because we may
only get to do it 10 or 15minutes a day, but that over
time is compounded and you gotto know what you got to do and
jump in and jump out, becauseyou've got other priorities too.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Right, wow, that's a pretty good tip right there.
Laser focus, reduce Facebook,get a free vacation.
I may have skipped a step inthere, but so so what's one
mechanism or things, what'ssomething somebody could learn
that they could implement rightaway from you as a coach.
If you were just talking to acrowd and you wanted to have one
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giveaway, what's that onegiveaway they could implement
and see value pretty quicklytaking control of your time is
probably the primary.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You know if you're not working with a calendar and
this isn't.
You know, when we talk aboutthis, I don't want you to plan
every minute of your day.
That's not the goal here, not tohave it all sliced and diced in
the calendar, but it's like tohave these time blocks that
represent is this what'simportant, or what are you doing
?
Because it's the awarenesspiece of what are you doing that
starts you to, because it's theawareness piece of what are you
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doing that starts you to, givesyou the visibility to see I can
move this, I can, I can changethis.
I don't have to serve on fiveboards in my community.
Maybe I need to pick the topone and gain four hours back a
month, right so, and all ofthose things are important.
So it depends on the person, itdepends on the priorities, but
what I find is, when peoplereally assess their time, that
they start start to see.
(37:28):
Well, this was because I saidyes to this thing and this was
because I said yes to that thing, and this was something that my
friend asked me to help withand my community asked me to do,
and, all of a sudden, thisfinite amount of time that we
had is serving other people'sagendas.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, and if you give up those you find those other
four hours a month.
That's another 48 hours a yearExactly Now you got a two week
vacation.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
That's right and that is exactly like.
That's why I like to blow themath up and down the scale,
because it matters.
It really does matter.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
You use the word time block just to explain that very
briefly for our listeners,because there's brilliance in
this, and would you explain timeblock?
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah.
So time blocking would be togive yourself focused time to
work on something.
And so for people who go into abusiness like a retail store,
probably eight hours of theirday, if they're open retail and
they're managing the frontcounter which hopefully, if
you're the entrepreneur andowner, you're doing some of that
, but you have some other timefor other things.
So business administration, forexample.
So business administration, forexample, getting the things
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done that need to be done,paying the bills, doing that
stuff that's like non-revenueproducing You've got to have
very dedicated time to work onthose things.
You also may have time to docustomer relationships, for
example, or nurturing new.
You working on the things thatare going to keep your business
viable and are you making timefor them?
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Because entrepreneurs they'llsay, well, I'm going to do the
job that I'm doing during theday and then I'll go home and
work on the bills tonight, orI'll work on my email list, or
I'll work on whatever thosethings are they're working on
and they don't really put themup in the business day, if that
makes sense, and so you takethat time block and you lift it
this day, if that makes senseand that.
So you take that time block andyou lift it.
But the time block is toestablish with clarity what am I
going to do for for betweennine and 10 this morning and
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what is my intention in thishour.
And then, how am I going tomeasure where I'm at at the end
of it?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Right, those are those little things and I love
that.
When we look at the clock right, you can have a 60 minute block
.
You can have four blocks of 15.
You can have two blocks of 30.
You can have three blocks of 20.
You can have six blocks of 10.
If you start getting morefinite about your task list, you
can break that time down whereit starts to get more efficient.
Now, most of us areunderestimating how long things
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are going to take and we'reovercommitted and you cannot see
that.
That's a blind spot becauseyou're not writing it down, and
so that writing you know,capturing a calendar, whether
it's on paper or in a digitalformat, is important.
The second piece of that is, ifyou don't do what you said you
were going to do which happensall the time because this is a
(40:00):
life roadmap and life is goingto happen to us we're going to
get knocked off our schedule.
You're going to want to go andgive yourself credit for what
you did do.
It was probably important.
It was probably a competinginterest to the other things
that you didn't think about.
That's why writing things downhelps.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So is that where the difficulty, integrating these
things are?
I mean, integrating change isthe challenge, I think.
Sometimes, maybe you show uswhat to change or how to change
it, but you know it's got tobecome a habit though, right.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, it's got to become a habit and, by the way,
we have to be a little kinder toourself.
Like we're going to fumble,we're going to stumble, we're
going to fall, we're going toknock ourself down, right?
We're not looking forperfection.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right, but a coach will help you integrate because
they can you know if you'remeeting once a week or twice a
month, or however that works out.
The coach can help integratethese changes through, maybe,
accountability.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
Yeah, definitely accountability.
We check in, celebrate wins,right.
We want to see where things aregoing and hey, where did it not
go so well?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So give me an example .
What would you say to somebodylike me, you know, if I'm
failing to integrate something?
What is the verbiage that acoach would use to go hey, Cash,
pull your head out, I mean,what would your words be?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
So do you have an example, like a real example of
a challenge, maybe?
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Everything's challenging, you know, in
business, just trying to juggleall the plates and maybe one of
them is just building your CRMbetter.
You know that's something we'reworking on right now building
our database better.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
So CRMs can be very robust tools and they can be
like an empty Sam's warehousewhen you start right.
And you got to build it and putevery aisle the way you want it.
So it's one to define thepriorities right.
What's most important firstright and start working in a
priority order.
The other thing is you said Ihave many things to do.
So I often hear I talked tosomeone yesterday, I put many
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things on my list.
I go how many is many?
Well, there's probably 25.
Well, I can tell you, if you'reout there and you're putting 25
things on your list, you'restarting with a very
unreasonable expectation.
Our recommendation is three keyneedle moving things a day.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
In high performance, right, so we're going to focus
in on those.
It doesn't mean those otherlittle things don't get
sprinkled in, but when you getdown to that time, we want you
to be working on the needle,moving things, not the task
mastering.
This feels good and I get tocheck it off my list and I feel
some fun endorphins that flow.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
So what is the next step?
For our listeners, if they likethe idea of coaching, how do
they?
I mean what?
What do they do next with you?
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, so just like we're sitting here having a
conversation and exploringwhat's going on, you know, what
are you what?
What are you thinking about,what's on your mind, what are
your priorities?
It's just a possibility session.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I go back to that word Possibility session.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
And it's.
Someone can book that on my, mycalendar, and we just spend 30
minutes saying, okay, where areyou at, what's on, what's
prompting you to think you mightwant to have this conversation?
Usually there's been a changeor something's going on that's
stirring that, and so we try tojust add as much value in that
30 minutes that we spendtogether just breaking it down
and then evaluating Is this areally, would this be a good
(43:22):
thing to take a next step with,or are there other resources or
things that might help you?
We all start somewhere.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
So are there people that probably shouldn't get a
coach?
I mean, you meet people andmaybe they're not ready.
How do you delicately say thatto somebody Like I don't think
this is right for you?
How does that go?
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, so that's part of the conversation, right?
What's?
Are you ready to make somechanges?
Because if there's not areadiness and a growth mindset,
then it's a waste of money.
Right?
I wouldn't recommend someone doit and again, sometimes
depending on where we are in ourlife season and timeline, like
I remember way back when Istarted in personal development,
it was starting with books.
It was starting with.
(43:59):
I'm going to date myselfcassette tapes from Nightingale
Conant.
And so when you, so you don'thave again going back to the
financial investment, the levelyou invest in as a coach.
You're going to get the levelback in return for the dreams
that you're going to leave onhold if you don't have support.
But you can start in otherplaces.
(44:19):
So not everybody's in thatposition.
So sometimes it's a resourcerecommendation hey, I think you
need to work on refining yourschedule and routine and then
we'll come into the practice ofcoaching.
Right, but we can do that aspart of it too.
It's just sometimes peoplestart at different places.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay, so do you see, is there one common thing that
entrepreneurs like that's themost common thing that they need
coaching on?
I mean, you said some greatthings writing everything down.
I think that's a gem.
You know managing your time.
Is there one thing that seemsto be the most common discussed
item?
Absolutely, and I'm asking thisfor a friend.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, yeah.
There's two things.
One I believe, as a creative,that if in my mind I can't see
it as clear as a photograph, Iknow I won't achieve it Like.
That's how clear it has to befor me personally.
Now that may not be true forothers.
So, vision right, the clearvision, but the clarity is the
key.
If you feel stuck or foggy orfuzzy or not sure what to do
(45:18):
next, there is and you need todig for more clarity.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
OK.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
And clarity has another word that's its best
friend, and it's calledspecificity.
So clarity says this year I amgoing to grow in my business by
20%.
Specificity says I'm going togrow my email list by 10,000
people and I'm going to makeroutine offers to provide my
services or whatever thosethings may be to get me there
(45:45):
right.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
That next layer or two or three down in specificity
is where entrepreneurs getstuck, got it.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
So is the specificity , how to do the thing on some
level.
Well, it's the clarity thattakes it down from this kind of
global thinking down to theroadmap.
Okay, right, we're going toland it on the highway, is what
I say.
Okay, and know where you'redriving towards.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Very cool.
So for those people ready to goto the next level with you, I
mean, I don't know.
I think this is such abeautiful topic and I hope we
can revisit this again, becauseI don't think this is a one-show
kind of topic.
I think coaching is so valuableLike I don't know man.
(46:32):
I mean this transforms lives,right.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
It does, it transforms lives.
It literally has saved peoplein their marriages.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
You know the relational side of it is huge,
but it also saves businesses,right?
Because if you don't have thatinsight, that one insight might
be the difference of you keepingthe doors open or closing them.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Well, that's a great thing to say.
When you say that this savesbusinesses and marriages, do you
feel like this businessfrustration that many people
have has a negative compoundeffect on their lives and their
personal lives?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Sure when you're under financial stress.
for example right, I did creditcounseling earlier in my career
and financial stress will takeyou down.
You know any stress will takeyou down.
There's plenty of medical datathat says, hey, the stress has
an impact on our health.
So if you are feeling thosestressors, it's like okay, what
can we do about it.
And I guarantee you, likethere's 8 billion people on this
(47:25):
planet.
There's other warm, friendly,feeling those stressors.
It's like okay, what can we doabout it?
And I guarantee you, likethere's 8 billion people on this
planet, there's other warm,friendly, loving people out
there that have been there.
They've done it just a fewsteps more than you have and a
coach can help you.
But also, you know, if you'renot at that, if you're not ready
for that, get a mentor, get acoach, get a counselor.
There's distinctions in all ofthose things.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
I think everybody needs a mentor, and what most
people have is a tour mentor,which is their alter ego.
Who's sitting there judging?
Speaker 3 (47:52):
them.
That's a great yeah, we do itto ourselves right when you
think about how hard we are onourselves as entrepreneurs?
Speaker 1 (47:59):
We are here with Michelle Hammons and the
creativityplaybookcom.
You can find her all overFacebook and LinkedIn as well.
Now, you've given us so muchtoday and thank you so much for
your insight.
Do you have an extra businessnugget for it?
This is like nine businessnuggets you've already given us.
Is one of those the mostimportant?
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, don't stay stuck.
Be humble enough to ask forhelp.
Raise your hand.
It's not a sign of weakness.
It's not a sign of anythingother than we all need help in
this world, and if you're braveenough to ask, you're going to
take yourself into a new placeby doing it.
And so don't sit there alonestuck.
Ask for help.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
That is great wisdom.
The money right there.
I like it.
That's the money.
I think that's great.
You know, asking for help isnot giving up.
Asking for help is refusing togive up.
And if you're looking for helpto go to the next level,
michelle Hammons is somebody youmay want to visit with, have a
cup of coffee with and find outhey, here's where I am, here's
where I want to go.
(48:57):
Do you see a different route?
Did we get that all?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
right, you got it.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
You got it, michelle thank you for being here today.
What a great show this one I'llwatch again.
So thank you for being heretoday at Cash Flows.
You know we are here to promoteeach other, to love on one
another and to push the needlein business life,
entrepreneurship or otherendeavors, and we bring in
experts in that field, and wehope you've had a great day.
Remember today's a great day toforgive somebody.
(49:27):
Forgiveness is not about them,it is about you and living a
life without all of thatpressure of holding onto a
grudge.
Kenneth, thank you for anothergreat show.
Thanks to our listeners and ourwatchers and to our friends out
there in Cashflow's world.
I'm Cash Matthews.
We're glad you're here today,thank you.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of cash flows.
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