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Embarking on a health journey can feel like an uphill battle, especially in a healthcare system that often leaves us fragmented and unsupported. But what if the key to wellness is not just in the hands of doctors, but in our own communities and the food we grow? I'm Cash Matthews, and in this enlightening episode, I sit down with Kenneth Baucum and special guest Andrea Reed, founder of the Oklahoma Center for Wellness, to unravel a new vision for holistic health—a vision born from her own experience founding a nonprofit while pregnant and her transformative international insights. We're here to stoke the fires of your entrepreneurial spirit and plant the seeds of change for a more proactive health approach.
The conversation takes a deep look at the roots of our current health crisis, spotlighting the need for a health system that's not only reactive but also regenerative. From the importance of nutrient-dense foods to the innovative potential of urban agriculture like quail farming, we're dissecting societal norms and planting the idea of a community-centric health model. Our nonprofit initiatives, including a comprehensive holistic directory, and the trailblazing Oklahoma Center for Wellness, stand as testaments to our commitment to blending sustainable practices with wellness education. It's a call to arms for all who're ready to cultivate a future where health goes beyond the mere absence of illness—and it all starts with the choices we make, the food we eat, and the support we provide one another.
As we wind down, we turn our attention to a holistic wellness event on the horizon and the crucial fundraising underway for the wellness center. We're building more than just a building; we're cultivating a sanctuary for community, education, and hands-on experiences that empower us all to lead healthier lives. By weaving together threads of mental health awareness, environmental stewardship, and the transformative power of forgiveness, we invite you to join us in this collective journey. Whether you're volunteering, participating, or contributing, your role in this paradigm shift in health and wellness is pivotal. Prepare to leave this dialogue refreshed, reinspired, and equipped to take the helm of your health journey with newfound vigor.
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
Hello, entrepreneurs, dreamers business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Cash Flows with your host, Cash Matthews.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
All right, another riveting edition of Cash Flows.
I'm your host today, cashMatthews, here with my friend,
kenneth Bauckham, and we're gladyou're here today.
You know, on this show we talkabout the concept of fire, aim
ready, and that is genuinelyabout taking action, and we
believe in taking action.
Not perfect action, but a wholelot of imperfect action will
(00:35):
get you across the goal line, orhowever we're supposed to say
that.
But it's about taking action.
And you know, too many peopleget caught in life and it is,
for some anyway, ready, aim, aim, aim, and they never pull the
trigger on these things that wewould call goals and objectives.
Then, all of a sudden, you're132 years old and life has
(00:59):
passed you by and you go to thegrave with the music still in
you.
So if we can inspire you todayto take one step in any
direction that you findfavorable, that's a win and we
are glad you're here.
And with that, let's say helloto Mr Kenneth Bauckham.
Kenneth, hey, how's it going?
You know I've got some coffeehere I'm going to drink during
(01:19):
our show.
I'm pretty psyched right now.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Okay, is it in the official Cash Flows, coffee mug
or Nope, just regular.
We're going to write it on.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Cash Flows.
It is CF.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you know, I was told we should do a serious
podcast as well, and actuallytoday we do have a serious
podcast.
It is serious.
You know, today we get to talkwith Andrea Reed about the
health care system in Americaand some plans that you've had
as a vision in your heart thatmaybe we make some changes, and
(01:58):
I am excited about this havingbeen a product.
You know, we all go throughhealth care things and you find
out that the health care systemis really neither healing,
caring or a system, and we'regoing to love this show.
I think this will be wellreceived, and so we want to get
to know you and what's going onin your world, because I know
(02:19):
it's vast, which is why I gotcoffee.
We may go.
This may be Joe Rogan style.
We do three hours today, so didyou bring a lunch?
No, all right.
So anyway, welcome Andrea Reed,thank you, and she is the
founder of the Oklahoma Centerfor Wellness.
If you'd like to find out moreabout her and a lot of what
(02:39):
we'll talk about today on theshow, you can go to
learnteachhealorg, becauseAndrea has some big plans and
the Bible says where there's novision, people perish.
But man, what about where thereis a vision, and I'm excited to
hear what's going on in yourworld because I know you've got
a vision and I think it'sprobably larger today than the
(03:03):
last podcast we did.
It seems like this idea hastraction.
It seems like you're about tomake a giant difference in your
community and there are peopleright now that need you, that
don't know you exist.
So today we want to change thatup a little bit and get the
information out there.
Andrea Reid is amulti-passionate wellness
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entrepreneur official title, ifyou want to know what she is.
I like that name, like that'spretty good.
So she founded the nonprofitOklahoma Center for Wellness and
it'll help others shorten thetime it takes to find holistic
health resources in ourcommunity, because really, I
mean, do you agree with thatassessment that health care is a
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little bit sloppy right now?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The system is not supporting the people in the way
they need it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Absolutely, and people within the system are not
being supported and people whoare going there for help are not
getting the help that they needin the way that they need it
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So, to that extent, health care has been
fractionalized.
Where you, you can't find itall in one place, right?
You know there's no healthcareshopping mall.
You walk in and there's oneplace to get all of the
information.
So, anyway, we're excited totalk about this, um, so I want
to.
Before we get into the reallymeaty stuff, I want to hear a
little bit about your background, I know, but I think your fans
(04:24):
and listeners want to know alittle bit more about you, so
help us get to know you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Sure, yeah.
So I was born and raised inCanada and Vancouver Island in
Canada and I have always wantedto travel.
I love people, I love culturesand I love learning about just
different environments andseeing what our beautiful planet
has to offer.
So I left when I was 19 and hadthe opportunity to move to
Holland for a year and was ananny for four kids.
(04:49):
And wow, you know, I had a lotof energy at 19 to take care of
four kids.
I take care of two kids now andI look back and I'm thinking,
oh okay, I did a pretty good jobyeah.
So I thought you know my family.
My friends thought I'd be gonefor a year.
So I thought you know my family.
My friends thought I'd be gonefor a year and I got the travel
bug and went over to England andspent the next seven years
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living and working there.
My grandmother was British andso it was very easy to get
through visas and stay and work.
Yeah, so I was.
Eventually I ended up in hotelmanagement, running in the event
center side of sales andmarketing business development,
and from there I went intocentral London and was running
organic food stores on theretail side of it.
(05:32):
So I got into health andwellness professionally over in
the UK.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Now, what age are you when this is all going on?
This sounds like you're justgetting started.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, so from age 20 is when I moved over to the UK,
wow yeah, and I spent threeyears in the hotel, so 23.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Wow, okay, the seat to me.
That's impressive that, just tostart out with, you have the
guts to go follow some lightthat's in your heart.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, I remember sitting on the airplane by
myself with all my stuff packedup and um, airplane was taking
off from Vancouver to go toAmsterdam and I just had this
moment of like whoa.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What am I doing?
Yeah, absolutely I think a lotof entrepreneurs have that
moment.
They may not be on an airplaneto another country, yeah, but
they might be getting in theircar the first time to go to
their first one-on-one and going, man, what have I done?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
How do you overcome that Like I want to get in the
mind of 20-year-old you?
Yeah, how do you like was thedrive for you that strong?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, I absolutely have.
I've always felt like I reverseengineer regret.
Like you said in the intro, Idon't want to go to the grave
with my song still in me andthat fire ready aim.
I couldn't believe it.
When I first came in here and Isaw that on the wall, I was
like this is absolutely how Ioperate.
I used to think there wassomething wrong with it.
Shouldn't I be more prepared?
(06:55):
Shouldn't I have things moreplanned out?
What about the risks?
What if you fail and it's likeso what?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
What if I fail?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, but what if you fly?
What if?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
you fly?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Absolutely, and you hear about the high performance
achievers and people who havesucceeded in a lot of businesses
have failed so many times, andso I homeschool our two boys and
my husband and I both teachthem.
Failing is a part of learningand growth, and if you can build
a muscle with that, you knowwhat if I suck?
(07:28):
I came here today and I waslike, oh, what if this is?
You know?
No, it'll be wonderful.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You'll be like I think everybody knows this is
going to be a great one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But what if I don't show up?
What if I don't go to thatone-on-one?
What if I don't take that step?
There's a whole infinitepossibility there that we might
miss out on.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, but the world and these things that we call
success really is set up fordoers.
I mean, anybody can haveanything and become anything,
but somebody like you who's at20, like, eh, you know, let's
just go to another country.
You know, that's what suits me,and I love that you didn't have
some preconceived, premeditatedidea that somebody else had for
you.
Like, oh, you don't want to dothat, you want to go to work at
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Sears or some other, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I had a few of those, but I just I was like no, I'm
good.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I'm impressed that at age 20 you found that
Well okay.
So you've done a variety of jobtype things.
When does that turn into thisdesire to make this difference
Because you're a differencemaker People that go into this
world the way you're doing it.
It's not all about money, forsure.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It is really about.
You know, and Kenneth and Ihave this phrase we want to
leave a footprint instead of abutt print, so walk us through,
when you're making this decision, that like I'm meant to do
something, and here it is.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, so the writing has been on the wall for me for
many, many years.
I founded this organization in2010, pregnant with my first son
, because I knew that I wantedto get through all the paperwork
of starting the nonprofitbefore we had him.
My brain was sharper beforehaving kids in that way and I'm
working on getting that backstill.
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But the beautiful thing that Inoticed was that, having grown
up in kind of a holisticenvironment and Vancouver Island
is is very natural environment.
Natural beauty, natural foodsare plenty Like the health and
wellness lifestyle is promotedthere a lot more than other
parts of the world, and I justrealized that, hey, our systems
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are not really working andserving the people in the way
that we need and they're notsustainable.
I noticed that in England, whenthere's a very small country
with a very high population andthe healthcare system then this
is not to bash anything.
I think that we all know thatthis is just kind of where we're
at.
But within healthcare, withinfood production, within how
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we're educating our children,within how we're educating
people on finances, we are notset up to be sustainable and
healthy within all thosedifferent categories.
And I was coming from a placeof what if we built a place that
had systems that supportedpeople in all these categories
all under one roof, 360 degreesof health and wellness and
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sustainability inside and out,so not just the segmented pieces
of, like you said earlier, withthe medical system, having that
be all separated, you can'tjust go to one person anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's very fragmented.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yes, fragmented is such a great word for that,
because I think it used to bethat you would have a GP that
could handle everything moreholistically.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, birth to earth.
I mean you had somebody thatwas going to walk you through
the whole thing, right, and thatI don't know that HMO style
system where you had onequarterback for your health.
I can't tell that it's worked.
And I'm not here to bash thehealth care system I've
benefited from it as well but Ijust I have this philosophy that
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health is a different scalethan we measure.
I think a lot of people measuretheir health hey, I don't have
any diseases, I must be healthy.
But I think there's a scalethat goes upwards, from zero
diseases to where you feel good,right, and your brain operates
well, and that you're operatingprobably more how you were
designed.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, above the wellness line is not really what
our current system is lookingat.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And most medical professionals will say that
health is the absence of disease, right will say that health is
the absence of disease, and so,within our community of holistic
health and wellnesspractitioners, we are really.
The aim of what we're doing isto help people have more years
at the end of their life thatare healthy years.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Better years yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Quality years where you know my goal is to be
running and playing with mygrandchildren and
great-grandchildren and havingthat mobility and so investing
in ourselves early on.
But if you don't know what youdon't know, how do you find out?
And so I also have had recenthealth issues, and if I had only
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had the current system, then Iwould be told there's nothing
really we can do to help you.
Right, and luckily I've comeout of those conversations
knowing I can count on bothhands several people that have
been able to help me to healfully, and I think just having
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information is helpful.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
There's a lot of information we didn't have 20
years ago, and so the Internet'sbeen both a blessing and a
curse.
It's a curse when you Googleevery little symptom.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But it's helpful when you can learn a little bit more
up the food chain.
Well, let's talk about I wantto hear more about the nonprofit
and I want to talk a great dealabout that, if we can, and find
out what you have going on andwhat the vision is.
And I know that you guys do acommunity garden.
Do I have that correct?
Yep, we do.
I think that's one of thecoolest things ever.
So just walk us through thenonprofit and how you see that
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breathing life into so manypeople.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, so the one way that we can help short the
amount of time it takes peopleto find resources is through our
website LearnTeachHealorg.
We're building out our holisticdirectory there so that's one
piece of our nonprofit wherepeople can come for free and
look through our listings andfind different practitioners.
They can find local farmers,places, resources for healthy
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water, healthy soil, healthyfood, chiropractors, body work,
acupuncture all differentresources plethora.
So that's one piece of it.
Our vision for Oklahoma Centerfor Wellness is to build a
sustainable wellness center onregeneratively restored land
here in northeastern Oklahoma.
So, we're looking for 80 to 100acres, even 40 to 100 acres.
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We've walked a lot of differentproperties to find the right
piece.
It has to be the right pieceand, within our team that is
designing the look and feel ofthe wellness center, we'll have
different components, so we'llhave teaching gardens that feed
into the teaching kitchen.
The teaching kitchen feeds intothe meal prep aspect of things,
so that busy professionals canacquire meals for their families
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without breaking the bank andthat are nutrient-dense, that
haven't had ingredients truckedacross the country and lost all
their nutrition by the time theyget to your plate.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
One of the number one return on investments worldwide
to our community is to getnutrient-dense foods into
school-aged children.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Give us an example of nutrient-dense foods.
So that our listeners know whatthat's about.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah.
So an example would be RobinsonRanch grows microgreens and so
they have their pea shootmicrogreens.
They have their pea shootmicrogreens and within their
microgreens I don't know thepercentage exactly, but there's
a higher quality of nutrition inthose pea shoots before they
actually grow to grow peas.
Okay, so my kids will buymicrogreens from Robinson Ranch
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and they'll be on one little carthat's delivered to our house
and my kids will stuffmicrogreens in their mouth.
I'm like we're supposed to beputting these on fried eggs and
in sandwiches and using them,you know, in salads, and they'll
just shovel them in becausethey they taste amazing.
It's like picking stuff fromyour garden is healthier than
having it picked too early andtoo ripe and having it trucked
across the country, becausethat's where most of our food
comes from either California orMexico or another state to bring
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it in.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So part of your, of your program is the idea that we
could grow these more locally,source them more locally and
have a better product.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Have a better product , have a more nutritious product
, supporting our systems.
That takes some of the burdenoff the health care system, but
we're also supporting our localeconomy too.
We're knowing our farmer.
We're able to look in theeyeballs of the person who is
growing our food, raising ourmeat, and knowing how they do it
, so that we're not getting allthose additional chemicals that
are causing a lot of problemsfor people, the majority.
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I have a friend who says thenumber one, the top three,
actually leading causes of deathin the United States can be
caused by what's on our dinnerplate.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think that there may be a lot of truth in that.
So let's back up a minutebecause I want to talk about the
land you're looking for.
Yes, we may have peoplelistening who own some land that
might be a spot to help, orthey've seen some, because I
think we need to identify, likethis is one of the first steps
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is to find the land and then,okay, so tell us about the land
one more time, because I knowthere's somebody listening that
goes you know what?
My grandpa has 800 acres, and Ibet we could split off 40 acres
and really leave a footprintfor them.
How would that work?
They can donate land to you taxdeductibly.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, yes, we are a 501c3 established in 2010, and
so all donations aretax-deductible, right, and
there's other ways too, and well, there's an infinite number of
ways that we could work that outwith people within fundraising
and actually purchasing itoutright, or having the land
donated, which is great too.
We're looking for yeah, I wouldsay about 40 acres and up.
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We're looking for clean land,land that hasn't been overly
sprayed with chemicals andpesticides and maybe
conventional monocrop ag, eventhough, for the right piece of
land, you can restore that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And there's ways to be able to make that healthy
soil again.
We're looking for land that hasits own water source, because
that's also going to be a partof the sustainability and the
regenerative aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
How cool is that yeah so.
I just bet there's somebodylistening that knows where your
land is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And right now maybe it gets put on their heart that,
hey, let's find a way.
Whatever the way is, let's gofind the way, yep, because
there's so much land justsitting there.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yes, there is.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And it may be generational, but how cool would
it be that you could find thatland here in the very near
future.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, and our program , the way we have it set up is,
it's designed to monetize theland initially, once we get into
it, so it increases the valueof it.
So we have different economicengines in different stages.
That once we step into theproperty, the financial
sustainability of the land isreally important to us, as well
as the stewardship of nature andthe land itself.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Okay, well, let's talk about what inspired you to
be this person that is amazingand doing things that are
valuable.
I don't know.
I get excited, Kenneth, when Imeet somebody.
They're not just in it for themoney.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I don't know how much money could possibly be
in this, but you're doing itfor the right reason.
Mm-hmm, what happened?
How did you end up here?
What inspired you to be you?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't think I couldn't not do it.
I noticed that there aresimpler ways to do things that
support people, that healing ourbodies, all aspects of
ourselves, can be very, verysimple if you have the right
tools and you have the rightknowledge.
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And so, to be able to bringpeople in that have been
struggling and suffering foryears, into a building where
they can have an intake sessionwith a practitioner that can
help create a wellness programfor them Right, because every
individual is unique andeveryone has a unique history
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and container.
So, having this intake process,where here are the different
modalities that can help you,and here's your program, having
the food aspect of it foldedinto that as well, having the
model of education.
And as I became a mother and anentrepreneur, I realized that I
didn't want to choose betweenputting my kids in daycare and
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building a business, or havingthem with me and feeling like I
could have done something elseas well.
And that's just what's in myheart is to support and help
people through my business, butalso to have my kids with me.
So we've created this modelwithin the Wellness Center,
where and it's mostly women, butit is some men too within the
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wellness center, where and it'smostly women, but it is some men
too.
So I don't mean to say likemamas, but we know a lot of
practitioners who want to pulltheir kids from the school
systems but don't quite know howthat looks yet.
Like the systems are not thereto support us in the modern
world.
Before we would have 150 peoplein community and we would all
be doing things and you know,chopping wood and carrying water
.
But the way we are in ourmodern world right now, we don't
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have those systems in place.
So I felt like I could see thevision for these systems that
would work and through lots oftrial and error in my own home
and then scaling it, we foundways to have practitioners work
and have the school side of it.
So it's really been throughnecessity.
I want to be a part of creatingnew systems so that my kids
going forward can live happier,healthier lives, because right
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now that's not the trajectorythat we're on and I feel like
our society is smart enough tobe able to figure out the
answers.
If we know that there's toomuch carbon in the atmosphere
but regenerative farming cancorrect that in 20, 30 years,
it's like, well, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So you mentioned in your bio that not just food
production but food distribution, so this center could be a
place.
Is the idea to educate peopleabout production of these foods?
Yes, and so that thedistribution could just be in
their own acre, in the backyard?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Absolutely.
Is that how?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
you see this going.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Absolutely so.
I actually saw a little videoand it said that there was.
It was either Belgium orHolland.
There was a city in Europe andevery family that wanted three
chickens got three chickens.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And they just gave them three chickens and taught
them how to raise them.
And if cities in America didthat, we would need we would
have no need for an egg industrywhich is pretty crazy, because
we would be self-sufficient.
So should there be an issue withtrucking, or should there be an
issue with weather or whatever,what have you what we've seen
in the last couple of years?
Empty shelves would not be anissue because we would have food
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production in our backyard.
Now the flip side of that isfor any of our listeners that
have ever gone on like healingretreats or things like that, or
workshops or seminars and yougo and you immerse yourself in
this amazing maybe a weekend ora day or a a week long retreat.
You know where I'm going withthis and you're like, yes, this
is great, I love it, I'm goingto make all these changes.
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And then we go back home andmaybe some of us find like, okay
, but real life is here and howdo we actually implement these?
That's where the work starts.
So the wellness center itselfis this immersive experience for
people to come to learn teach.
The wellness center itself isthis immersive experience for
people to come to learn, teachheal we all have that within us.
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That's why it'slearnteachhealorg but also to
have the education and the toolsto be able to take the micro
versions back to their homes,like you said, where they can do
this in their kitchens, intheir backyards, in their homes.
So we have the micro and themacro model, the larger vision
of the wellness center on, youknow, 40 plus acres.
We also would ideally like tohave, you know, two to five
acres within town, so we have acentral hub.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, yeah, so something a little more central
than because if you get 40 acres, it's probably on the perimeter
of town at least.
Okay, well, that's pretty cool.
You know, you and I have amutual friend.
I don't want to say her name,but she lives in a nice
neighborhood and she raisesquail.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But in her house you're not allowed to raise
poultry in most neighborhoods.
But she brought one of her babyquail to one of our events and
she raises quail and does quaileggs and they're very delicious.
Yeah, and in my brain I waslike why doesn't everybody do
this Right?
And she's able to do it indoors.
(24:17):
It's not like a giant hassle.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And I think people just don't think about hey, what
if I made this change?
So I'm glad to hear this story,because our friend is in the
quail business in her verysuburban home.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I love that Well, and we have our modern conveniences
, and I think a lot of ournatural resources have been
stripped away from us and oureducation has been stripped away
from us and sold back to us ata premium, and so now it's kind
of time to take back the reinswith our own health and with our
own things that matter,including food production.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
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Speaker 1 (25:26):
Sounds like a great product.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Wealthy people know where their stuff is, people
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It's all over the map andthat's actually why we created
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Wow Is to hey.
I think average people have theright to know what wealthy
people know, but nobody teachesthat, and I think that same line
of thinking in the financialworld is what hurts the health
(25:50):
and wellness industry.
I mean, your quote was what'skilling us is what's on our
plate.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And we're out trying to solve the end result, which
is medical care.
But if we could bring it backfull circle, man, what a but
that would lead to plannedobsolescence for doctors and
prescriptions.
Do you think the industryreally wants us to be healthy or
do they want us to be customers?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I mean, every industry needs customers, but I
think that you know there's roomfor for both right now.
I think that we have a foot inboth worlds right now and if
more people look upstream tofrom sick care to like wellness,
health and wellness.
You wanted me to go morecontroversial on that, didn't
(26:38):
you?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, I just want you to do you.
I don't want you to be thrownin the back of a black van or
something.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Never again.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Have them come and get me.
I'm easier to get a hold of.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, I do think that the system is not set up to
support us.
I think the system is set upexactly.
I used to say the systems arebroken.
Education, agriculture, youknow, chem ag now it's really
medical, but it's, you know.
My eyes have been opened to thefact that the systems are doing
exactly what they were designedto do and there's amazing,
(27:12):
wonderful, caring, beautifulpeople within the systems that
are just maybe trained to dowhat the system?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
is training them to do Right.
So I think I know why this isimportant and you've illustrated
this a few times when we'vetalked, talk about the numbers
and why this is essential,because today's health care
system, to me, is more reactive.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Here's a Band-Aid for your scrape, but I think what
you're proposing is that we bemore pre-active or proactive
where, like you said, if youcould go upstream a little bit,
there's not as much death to goaround if you deal with it on
that level.
Talk about some of the numbersgoing on in the healthcare
industry right now in terms ofwhy this is so important.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, so mental health is number one that I
would like to discuss the healthand wellness.
Mental health and wellness ofour population is declining at a
rapid and alarming pace, andour teens, adolescents, our kids
, are suffering the most.
It used to be that anxiety anddepression were doubling every
(28:21):
generation, and then 2020happened and those numbers have
been skyrocketing, and so weknow that these numbers can be
reduced through spending time incommunity, spending time in
nature and consumingnutrient-dense foods.
So when people are doing thosethree things getting natural
daylight, sunshine, activatingthe vitamin D within the body,
(28:41):
consuming the nutrition,earthing feet in you know, okay,
I've been reading about this.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm glad you're talking about this so good.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, grounding feet in the earth.
You know we were called treehuckers for a reason, but it's
like and I joke about that butit's like getting your feet in
the earth helps to actuallyremove the electromagnetic
charge from holding our devicesand being around all these cell
towers and things like that.
So it's just bringing us backinto the earth's magnetics which
(29:10):
has, you know, the studies areshowing that that's really
helping people with stress, butalso with physical issues in the
body.
So it really isn't rocketscience when you look at the
numbers and you think you know.
Let's build a wellness centerwhere people can come and do
that, where they can be incommunity and learn, where they
can be in the gardens they canget.
You know, I envision busloadsof kids coming up with fingers
(29:34):
in the dirt and learning howtheir food is produced oh,
that's a great idea yeah, andthere's there's organizations
that are already doing that workright now.
Um, so we're just bringing ittogether in one hub that's
inspiring.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm glad to hear that yeah and um.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
so the mental health aspect of it absolutely has to
be corrected and and currentlyit's solely medicated, and we
have alternatives to that forpeople who are looking for that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I think one of the great problems in our country is
mental health.
Care was really written out ofmost health care plans as well,
and it's very you know.
We pay all this money forinsurance, but it's not
critically working towardsresolution when it comes to
mental health, and I thinkmental health used to have a
stigma.
Do you see that that'sdissipated some?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Very much so, and with sharing so much on social
media and, I also think, youngergenerations that are just fed
up with carrying the burden ofwhat's been passed down to them
there's more people talkingabout well, when I talk to my
therapist and there's like nostigma around that anymore, and
there shouldn't be, andsometimes mental health can and
I'm not a mental health expertjust like quoting some of the
(30:42):
numbers that we saw.
but sometimes mental health cancome from a nutritional
imbalance in the brain and thereshould be no stigma around that
, because that's just math,we're just not it's just math,
that's right.
We're not, and I thought you'dappreciate that.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
We're not taking in as much nutrition as we need for
the machine to operateoptimally.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Or there's been so much trauma and that's not
people's fault either, right?
So it is very exciting to seepeople talking about it and more
and more people resources andways to heal at the root.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, I've recognized that.
You know, when I went to highschool in the 70s, late 70s I
mean, there was definitely astigma if you were talking to
somebody about mental health.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But as I got older I went man, I need some help with
some things.
There's things I can't see.
I've got a blind spot and I'veenjoyed going to a counselor
yeah, because they can seethings and I've enjoyed going to
a counselor.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Because they can see things and they're not afraid to
say something in a way.
You know, if I went to my, youknow, some adult in my life hey,
I'm struggling with theseconcepts they might say, hey,
rub some dirt on it, you'll befine.
And I don't think that's theright idea.
I think, you know, and noteverything we feel needs to be,
(31:54):
you know, dealt with maybe inthat way.
But you know, there are timesin my life like I was absolutely
sure I need another set ofeyeballs in this and I need
somebody who can listen.
And if there's a deficiency inmy body medically, chemically I
want to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And kind of get back to what feels like normal.
So I'm glad you started withthat.
I think that's one of the mostoverlooked essential areas of
coverage in this healthcarehealth and wellness because
wellness is a much bigger wordfor me than just health.
I don't have the flu, I don'thave a broken bone Okay, well,
(32:33):
I'm healthy-ish, but I want tobe well, I want to.
Maybe we call that the wellnesschart, which is above zero.
There's probably a name for it,but I'm glad to hear you
talking about that.
Well, what else?
I mean?
I know mental issues have beenbig, but we need there's so much
with the diet, there's so muchwith nutrition, there's so much
with the chemicals and additivesto our food.
(32:54):
Talk about that, becausethere's stuff going on that
shouldn't be going on at therate diabetes and heart disease.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, Diabetes and heart disease and cancer is
epidemic proportions.
We have chemicals in our airand our water sprayed on our
food, injected into our food, inthe DNA of our food.
What else?
Household toxins, chemicals,how our houses are built, all
these different pieces.
There's so much more.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Two years ago, katie and I decided to get all the
chemicals out of our house Niceand we found some companies that
support that idea.
Yeah, and we just use theirproducts.
And we took fluoride out of ourtoothpaste, yep, and we've just
do what you can do, you know,and it's not it, man, if you
think being healthy is expensive, you should see what it costs
to be sick, you know, cause youlose time, money, effort,
(33:44):
co-pays, not not just to mention, you know, the medical expense
side, but Well, and it's thisillusion that insurance covers
it.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And if it's not covered by insurance, it's this
illusion that insurance coversit, and if it's not, covered by
insurance and it's out of pocket, then that's expensive and
insurance doesn't cover as muchas we think it does.
And you're exactly right.
And yes, 100%.
And also it steals from youbeing sick or having an issue or
an injury.
It steals from your time withloved ones and I mean you can
never get that time back.
That's invaluable.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right.
So, Well, so people arebenefiting from the work you're
doing on the nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
How do you see this?
I mean, let's start with thetimeframe when, in your
imagination, as you've builtthis out, yeah, from your heart
to paper, how long.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So we would like to get into the macro excuse me,
the micro version of thewellness center this year.
So we are actively seekingfunding to be able to acquire a
piece of property in centralTulsa area.
It's a couple acres, it has acouple buildings on it and that
would give us our home base tobe able to operate out of.
People would be able to come inon their lunch break and pick
(34:51):
up their meals for the week,their dinners for the week.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Oh, cool idea.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, that gives them back a couple hours at the end
of their day, stress-free withtheir family, and people could
come in throughout the day fordifferent treatments and
different programs for adultsprogramming for adults and
children as well.
So we would like to get intothis property this year and then
we envision, within five years,having the wellness center
(35:15):
developed and built.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So this is ongoing, and and so you'll start with the
micro version, first two, threeacres, four acres.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Maybe it's it's fire ready aim, and we are on the
ground learning as we go.
So we, you know, we recentlypartnered with somebody who had
a 7,000 square foot lot in OwenPark community and so Owen Park
neighborhood is Tulsa's oldestneighborhood.
It's really really cute, reallycool in North Tulsa and we had
(35:45):
a connection there and we wereable to develop that into a
community garden, so that'songoing right now.
That was never in the plan.
That was like we're looking for80 to 100 acres and we acquired
7 000 square feet and it's beenso beautiful and such a
blessing and has attracted justthe most amazing talented people
that are helping us then withthe larger vision.
(36:06):
So when you say so, you'regoing to start with the smaller
one maybe.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah Well, who knows, Maybe this podcast reaches the
guy that's like I'm so sick ofhaving this 100 acres here.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, I just don't want to mow anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I just have to mow it .
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We'll bring in some goats and take care.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, I like the way you're thinking about that.
Well, this is exciting.
I mean, I am genuinely excitedand I think our listeners will
be as well.
Thank you, and I think ourlisteners will be as well.
Thank you that we can make achange.
And you know, in my brainthere's got to be somebody out
there right now that wants to bepart of this.
You know, maybe there's yeah.
I think there are a lot ofpeople that you know.
(36:46):
I mean, our country is wealthy,yeah, and you know, if we can
share our toys a little bitbetter, maybe this comes to life
.
And so do you have a board ofdirectors that direct all of the
donors and everything squaredaway with all that?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Absolutely yeah, we have our board of directors and
it's just amazing the talentedpeople that have come to
contribute their time andsupport our organization.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Do any governmental agencies around the area?
How do they perceive you?
Because I could see, on onehand, man, that would be awesome
.
I'd love to be a politician whosaid, yeah, we help bring this
into life, but I also see youmight be a threat on some level.
How do the governmentinstitutions relate to you?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So we actually had a representative from state and
federal.
He works with the USDA and hecame out to the community garden
and helped us teach a soilhealth class out there.
So yeah, my anti-systemupbringing was a little
resistant to reaching out toareas.
But you know, we want to putOklahoma on the map for health
(37:55):
and wellness in a positive way.
So you know we want to putOklahoma on the map for health
and wellness in a positive way.
So you know, one thing I wouldlove to do is reach out to the
governor.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Local government.
You know there's lots offunding and grant opportunities
that we've been working with aswell.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
If only you were part of some social group that had
7,000 or 8,000 members thatcould reach out to him.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I don't know if he'd be willing to come and talk to
8,000 people who represent24,000 people in our community,
but maybe Maybe, If we couldonly find such a thing.
Yeah Well, I'll keep my eyeopen for that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, let me know if you.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I may know a guy, so let's drill down a little bit.
What do you need to get going?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, $1.2 million for the micro in town Right and
then, pretty close to thatactually, for the larger
property further out of town.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Right, so $1.2 to start, local, $1.2 to find the
land.
But that doesn't build thefacility obviously.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, it doesn't build the facility depending on on,
obviously, the real estatemarket and what's going on.
We've actually found someproperties that are comparable
to what we're looking for, thatare about 800,000.
And so yeah, just a little bitfurther out of town.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Well, I mean, are you able to take in-kind trades,
like from an architect or abuilder or a land developer?
Yes, are we looking for thosepeople as well?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yes, so we have a great firm downtown that's
working with us.
Who has donated?
Their time, yes To do an artistrendering of the wellness
center and also to do the actualplans.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Okay, so they'll do like a topographical.
Hey, here's what this is goingto look like, and here's the
creek.
Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, and they're very talented and also very
passionate about what it is thatwe're doing, so they've been
adding a lot of value to ourvision.
All right, so, yes, so thingsthat we're looking for well,
we're looking for support withconnections, and I mean anyone
that's listening to this.
It's like, well, I may not haveland or money to donate to the
(39:57):
nonprofit, but I know a fewpeople so sharing our vision,
sharing at learnteachhealorg.
I've got a 90-second,two-minute video that's on there
that talks about the vision andpaints it out of what we're
doing.
So who do you know that wouldwant to contribute to this?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I think we're on our way, man.
I love this concept.
So we need funding, we needsome connections, yes, and we
need volunteers.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
How does one volunteer in this project for
you?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, absolutely so.
People can go to the websiteand they can reach out to us
through there.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We have our events listed there as well, and so
people can participate in theevents.
They can sign up to be avolunteer, either currently
within the community garden orat the Holistic Wellness event,
which is our annual big eventthat we host Oklahoma's largest
holistic health and wellnessvendor event.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And so that this year is October 12th, 2024.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okay, and that's the one you've always done in the
fall.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, got it, yeah, okay and that's the one you've
always done in the fall.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, got it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, so anyone also this kind of segues to people
who are looking for health andwellness answers?
In the interim, while we don'thave the physical building built
yet, people can come to ourevents and walk around and
interview practitioners.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
So you talk about vendors at your events, so we
could also find vendors toparticipate in this event.
Is it already sold out forOctober?
No, it's not about vendors atyour events, so we could also
find vendors to participate inthis event.
Is it already sold out foroctober?
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
No, we're at stony creek hotel and conference
center in broken arrow.
This year fun okay yeah, sowe've got the 12 000 square foot
grand ballroom and people willwalk in and I think we have room
for about 150 different vendorsin there okay, so anybody who
vends into the world of healthand wellness would be welcome.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, so people that sell nutritional products or
skin care or any of those things, they're welcome to come and be
part of this.
That's a great solution.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah so 150 vendors and we're actually
reaching out.
We had somebody sign up fromNortheast Arkansas, so we're
reaching out to the local areaas well within Kansas, missouri
and Arkansas, oklahoma City.
We'd like to reach out to morepeople too, but it really
started with northeasternOklahoma because there's so many
holistic practitioners thathave helped my family and our
(42:05):
immediate community.
We just wanted to bring themall together under one roof and
then it just grew and grew.
So now we're getting localvendors that sell product, food,
soil, health, different piecesof that.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Okay.
So if you want to volunteer, ifyou want to contribute, if you
want to be part of a beautifulsuccess story, you can go to
learnteachealorg and find out alittle bit more.
I know you've got a video there, and are there also payment
links if people just want tostart to donate organically?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yes, yep.
So we have the option to have amonthly subscription where you
can donate on a recurring basis,or you can make a one-time
donation there as well.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Is your organization on social media as well?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yes, facebook, instagram and LinkedIn Holistic
Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Holistic Oklahoma on all of those places Yep.
Holistic Oklahoma Kenna.
On Facebook, instagram, twitter, myspace all of those places
you can still find.
Aol, AOL yeah, we're on the AOLteam here, all right.
Well, we are here with AndreaReed, who is the founder of this
(43:12):
website of funding.
Help me say the name again onemore time, so I have the full
name correct.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, oklahoma Center for Wellness.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oklahoma Center for Wellness and we can find that at
learnteachealorg.
We have a giant event coming upin October.
I hope everybody willparticipate with.
Yeah, I hope I'm availablebecause I wasn't able last year,
but I'd sure like to be part ofthat this year.
We want to get the word outabout that to our friends out
there.
Thank you All right.
Well, we're to that point ofthe show where we get a golden
(43:43):
nugget from you about businessand or life, and we love to
share wisdom with people.
It's one of the things I thinkin these type of organizations
that's best served is to sharewisdom with other people who are
seeking.
So we have a bunch of peopleseeking today.
Andrea, what would your goldennugget be for today?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, it was a little bit aligned with what you
shared at the beginning and Ifeel like that fire-ready aim is
just something that more peoplecould lean into and embrace a
little bit more.
If you feel like you havesomething in your heart that you
want to start, if you feel likeyou have something to
contribute, or a business, or asbig or as small as it could be,
(44:24):
take the steps, take action,try it out.
If it's a lemonade stand or amultimillion-dollar business,
and if it brings you joy, Idon't think we've been taught
that our income and our businessand our time can be aligned
with what brings us joy andpurpose and can serve others.
(44:44):
So if there's something in yourheart that sparks that, go for
it and find people who have doneit.
Find people who are successful.
Reach out to people in thebusiness owners networking group
in Tulsa.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
And find a mentor and go for it.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
We are going to wrap up.
Do you work with a mentor now?
Do you have somebody in yourworld that you can go to?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I do.
I have two coaches, and then Iwould like to talk more with you
, cash Matthews.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Oh well, I don't want to be a tormentor, which is
always a possibility.
All right, we are here todaytalking with Andrea Reid, and
she's doing things to make theworld a better place, and if
you'd like to find her, you canreach out at learnteachealorg
and find out about the amazingwork that she's doing.
(45:34):
Thank you, I think you make ourcountry a better place to be.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
And I look forward to more of that Appreciate it.
How was this show?
It was excellent.
This is better than I expected.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I didn't eat Twinkies right before this because I
wanted to be aligned.
Your best, you wanted to be yourbest self.
I wanted to be living my bestlife.
So we're going to wrap it uphere today.
From Cash Flows, you know andwe close every show with this
hope is that today would be agreat day to find somebody to
(46:07):
forgive.
You know, so often people needto be forgiven and don't even
know it.
You know, I'm a clod.
I've been one of those guys mywhole life and I think
forgiveness is not about thatother person.
I think it's about you andsetting you free.
We tie these anchors around usand walk around and wonder why
(46:29):
am I going so slow?
Why are things happening not asquickly?
And often it's because you andyou, you know there's a grudge
or something you're holding, anda grudge is the heaviest thing
in the world to lift on a dailybasis and it builds no good
muscle.
So today, think about it, Findsomebody and let them know hey,
(46:51):
I've been bothered by this for Xnumber of days weeks, years,
months and forgive them, becauseforgiveness makes the world go
round, and we're glad you'rehere with Cash Flows, sharing
the wisdom of people like Andreawho are making the world a
better place.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you for being here today.
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of cash flows.
Hello, entrepreneurs, dreamers business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to Cash Flows with your host, Cash Matthews.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
All right, another riveting edition of Cash Flows.
I'm your host today, cashMatthews, here with my friend,
kenneth Bauckham, and we're gladyou're here today.
You know, on this show we talkabout the concept of fire, aim
ready, and that is genuinelyabout taking action, and we
believe in taking action.
Not perfect action, but a wholelot of imperfect action will
(00:35):
get you across the goal line, orhowever we're supposed to say
that.
But it's about taking action.
And you know, too many peopleget caught in life and it is,
for some anyway, ready, aim, aim, aim, and they never pull the
trigger on these things that wewould call goals and objectives.
Then, all of a sudden, you're132 years old and life has
(00:59):
passed you by and you go to thegrave with the music still in
you.
So if we can inspire you todayto take one step in any
direction that you findfavorable, that's a win and we
are glad you're here.
And with that, let's say helloto Mr Kenneth Bauckham.
Kenneth, hey, how's it going?
You know I've got some coffeehere I'm going to drink during
(01:19):
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I'm pretty psyched right now.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
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or Nope, just regular.
We're going to write it on.
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Cash Flows.
It is CF.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, you know, I was told we should do a serious
podcast as well, and actuallytoday we do have a serious
podcast.
It is serious.
You know, today we get to talkwith Andrea Reed about the
health care system in Americaand some plans that you've had
as a vision in your heart thatmaybe we make some changes, and
(01:58):
I am excited about this havingbeen a product.
You know, we all go throughhealth care things and you find
out that the health care systemis really neither healing,
caring or a system, and we'regoing to love this show.
I think this will be wellreceived, and so we want to get
to know you and what's going onin your world, because I know
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it's vast, which is why I gotcoffee.
We may go.
This may be Joe Rogan style.
We do three hours today, so didyou bring a lunch?
No, all right.
So anyway, welcome Andrea Reed,thank you, and she is the
founder of the Oklahoma Centerfor Wellness.
If you'd like to find out moreabout her and a lot of what
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we'll talk about today on theshow, you can go to
learnteachhealorg, becauseAndrea has some big plans and
the Bible says where there's novision, people perish.
But man, what about where thereis a vision, and I'm excited to
hear what's going on in yourworld because I know you've got
a vision and I think it'sprobably larger today than the
(03:03):
last podcast we did.
It seems like this idea hastraction.
It seems like you're about tomake a giant difference in your
community and there are peopleright now that need you, that
don't know you exist.
So today we want to change thatup a little bit and get the
information out there.
Andrea Reid is amulti-passionate wellness
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entrepreneur official title, ifyou want to know what she is.
I like that name, like that'spretty good.
So she founded the nonprofitOklahoma Center for Wellness and
it'll help others shorten thetime it takes to find holistic
health resources in ourcommunity, because really, I
mean, do you agree with thatassessment that health care is a
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little bit sloppy right now?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
The system is not supporting the people in the way
they need it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Absolutely, and people within the system are not
being supported and people whoare going there for help are not
getting the help that they needin the way that they need it
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
So, to that extent, health care has been
fractionalized.
Where you, you can't find itall in one place, right?
You know there's no healthcareshopping mall.
You walk in and there's oneplace to get all of the
information.
So, anyway, we're excited totalk about this, um, so I want
to.
Before we get into the reallymeaty stuff, I want to hear a
little bit about your background, I know, but I think your fans
(04:24):
and listeners want to know alittle bit more about you, so
help us get to know you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Sure, yeah.
So I was born and raised inCanada and Vancouver Island in
Canada and I have always wantedto travel.
I love people, I love culturesand I love learning about just
different environments andseeing what our beautiful planet
has to offer.
So I left when I was 19 and hadthe opportunity to move to
Holland for a year and was ananny for four kids.
(04:49):
And wow, you know, I had a lotof energy at 19 to take care of
four kids.
I take care of two kids now andI look back and I'm thinking,
oh okay, I did a pretty good jobyeah.
So I thought you know my family.
My friends thought I'd be gonefor a year.
So I thought you know my family.
My friends thought I'd be gonefor a year and I got the travel
bug and went over to England andspent the next seven years
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living and working there.
My grandmother was British andso it was very easy to get
through visas and stay and work.
Yeah, so I was.
Eventually I ended up in hotelmanagement, running in the event
center side of sales andmarketing business development,
and from there I went intocentral London and was running
organic food stores on theretail side of it.
(05:32):
So I got into health andwellness professionally over in
the UK.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Now, what age are you when this is all going on?
This sounds like you're justgetting started.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, so from age 20 is when I moved over to the UK,
wow yeah, and I spent threeyears in the hotel, so 23.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Wow, okay, the seat to me.
That's impressive that, just tostart out with, you have the
guts to go follow some lightthat's in your heart.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, I remember sitting on the airplane by
myself with all my stuff packedup and um, airplane was taking
off from Vancouver to go toAmsterdam and I just had this
moment of like whoa.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What am I doing?
Yeah, absolutely I think a lotof entrepreneurs have that
moment.
They may not be on an airplaneto another country, yeah, but
they might be getting in theircar the first time to go to
their first one-on-one and going, man, what have I done?
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
How do you overcome that Like I want to get in the
mind of 20-year-old you?
Yeah, how do you like was thedrive for you that strong?
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yes, I absolutely have.
I've always felt like I reverseengineer regret.
Like you said in the intro, Idon't want to go to the grave
with my song still in me andthat fire ready aim.
I couldn't believe it.
When I first came in here and Isaw that on the wall, I was
like this is absolutely how Ioperate.
I used to think there wassomething wrong with it.
Shouldn't I be more prepared?
(06:55):
Shouldn't I have things moreplanned out?
What about the risks?
What if you fail and it's likeso what?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
What if I fail?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah, but what if you fly?
What if?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
you fly?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Absolutely, and you hear about the high performance
achievers and people who havesucceeded in a lot of businesses
have failed so many times, andso I homeschool our two boys and
my husband and I both teachthem.
Failing is a part of learningand growth, and if you can build
a muscle with that, you knowwhat if I suck?
(07:28):
I came here today and I waslike, oh, what if this is?
You know?
No, it'll be wonderful.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
You'll be like I think everybody knows this is
going to be a great one.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
But what if I don't show up?
What if I don't go to thatone-on-one?
What if I don't take that step?
There's a whole infinitepossibility there that we might
miss out on.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, but the world and these things that we call
success really is set up fordoers.
I mean, anybody can haveanything and become anything,
but somebody like you who's at20, like, eh, you know, let's
just go to another country.
You know, that's what suits me,and I love that you didn't have
some preconceived, premeditatedidea that somebody else had for
you.
Like, oh, you don't want to dothat, you want to go to work at
(08:14):
Sears or some other, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I had a few of those, but I just I was like no, I'm
good.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I'm impressed that at age 20 you found that
Well okay.
So you've done a variety of jobtype things.
When does that turn into thisdesire to make this difference
Because you're a differencemaker People that go into this
world the way you're doing it.
It's not all about money, forsure.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It is really about.
You know, and Kenneth and Ihave this phrase we want to
leave a footprint instead of abutt print, so walk us through,
when you're making this decision, that like I'm meant to do
something, and here it is.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, so the writing has been on the wall for me for
many, many years.
I founded this organization in2010, pregnant with my first son
, because I knew that I wantedto get through all the paperwork
of starting the nonprofitbefore we had him.
My brain was sharper beforehaving kids in that way and I'm
working on getting that backstill.
(09:13):
But the beautiful thing that Inoticed was that, having grown
up in kind of a holisticenvironment and Vancouver Island
is is very natural environment.
Natural beauty, natural foodsare plenty Like the health and
wellness lifestyle is promotedthere a lot more than other
parts of the world, and I justrealized that, hey, our systems
(09:37):
are not really working andserving the people in the way
that we need and they're notsustainable.
I noticed that in England, whenthere's a very small country
with a very high population andthe healthcare system then this
is not to bash anything.
I think that we all know thatthis is just kind of where we're
at.
But within healthcare, withinfood production, within how
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we're educating our children,within how we're educating
people on finances, we are notset up to be sustainable and
healthy within all thosedifferent categories.
And I was coming from a placeof what if we built a place that
had systems that supportedpeople in all these categories
all under one roof, 360 degreesof health and wellness and
(10:26):
sustainability inside and out,so not just the segmented pieces
of, like you said earlier, withthe medical system, having that
be all separated, you can'tjust go to one person anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It's very fragmented.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yes, fragmented is such a great word for that,
because I think it used to bethat you would have a GP that
could handle everything moreholistically.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yeah, birth to earth.
I mean you had somebody thatwas going to walk you through
the whole thing, right, and thatI don't know that HMO style
system where you had onequarterback for your health.
I can't tell that it's worked.
And I'm not here to bash thehealth care system I've
benefited from it as well but Ijust I have this philosophy that
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health is a different scalethan we measure.
I think a lot of people measuretheir health hey, I don't have
any diseases, I must be healthy.
But I think there's a scalethat goes upwards, from zero
diseases to where you feel good,right, and your brain operates
well, and that you're operatingprobably more how you were
designed.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, above the wellness line is not really what
our current system is lookingat.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And most medical professionals will say that
health is the absence of disease, right will say that health is
the absence of disease, and so,within our community of holistic
health and wellnesspractitioners, we are really.
The aim of what we're doing isto help people have more years
at the end of their life thatare healthy years.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Better years yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Quality years where you know my goal is to be
running and playing with mygrandchildren and
great-grandchildren and havingthat mobility and so investing
in ourselves early on.
But if you don't know what youdon't know, how do you find out?
And so I also have had recenthealth issues, and if I had only
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had the current system, then Iwould be told there's nothing
really we can do to help you.
Right, and luckily I've comeout of those conversations
knowing I can count on bothhands several people that have
been able to help me to healfully, and I think just having
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information is helpful.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
There's a lot of information we didn't have 20
years ago, and so the Internet'sbeen both a blessing and a
curse.
It's a curse when you Googleevery little symptom.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
But it's helpful when you can learn a little bit more
up the food chain.
Well, let's talk about I wantto hear more about the nonprofit
and I want to talk a great dealabout that, if we can, and find
out what you have going on andwhat the vision is.
And I know that you guys do acommunity garden.
Do I have that correct?
Yep, we do.
I think that's one of thecoolest things ever.
So just walk us through thenonprofit and how you see that
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breathing life into so manypeople.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah, so the one way that we can help short the
amount of time it takes peopleto find resources is through our
website LearnTeachHealorg.
We're building out our holisticdirectory there so that's one
piece of our nonprofit wherepeople can come for free and
look through our listings andfind different practitioners.
They can find local farmers,places, resources for healthy
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water, healthy soil, healthyfood, chiropractors, body work,
acupuncture all differentresources plethora.
So that's one piece of it.
Our vision for Oklahoma Centerfor Wellness is to build a
sustainable wellness center onregeneratively restored land
here in northeastern Oklahoma.
So, we're looking for 80 to 100acres, even 40 to 100 acres.
(14:07):
We've walked a lot of differentproperties to find the right
piece.
It has to be the right pieceand, within our team that is
designing the look and feel ofthe wellness center, we'll have
different components, so we'llhave teaching gardens that feed
into the teaching kitchen.
The teaching kitchen feeds intothe meal prep aspect of things,
so that busy professionals canacquire meals for their families
(14:30):
without breaking the bank andthat are nutrient-dense, that
haven't had ingredients truckedacross the country and lost all
their nutrition by the time theyget to your plate.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
One of the number one return on investments worldwide
to our community is to getnutrient-dense foods into
school-aged children.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Give us an example of nutrient-dense foods.
So that our listeners know whatthat's about.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah.
So an example would be RobinsonRanch grows microgreens and so
they have their pea shootmicrogreens.
They have their pea shootmicrogreens and within their
microgreens I don't know thepercentage exactly, but there's
a higher quality of nutrition inthose pea shoots before they
actually grow to grow peas.
Okay, so my kids will buymicrogreens from Robinson Ranch
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and they'll be on one little carthat's delivered to our house
and my kids will stuffmicrogreens in their mouth.
I'm like we're supposed to beputting these on fried eggs and
in sandwiches and using them,you know, in salads, and they'll
just shovel them in becausethey they taste amazing.
It's like picking stuff fromyour garden is healthier than
having it picked too early andtoo ripe and having it trucked
across the country, becausethat's where most of our food
comes from either California orMexico or another state to bring
(15:42):
it in.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
So part of your, of your program is the idea that we
could grow these more locally,source them more locally and
have a better product.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Have a better product , have a more nutritious product
, supporting our systems.
That takes some of the burdenoff the health care system, but
we're also supporting our localeconomy too.
We're knowing our farmer.
We're able to look in theeyeballs of the person who is
growing our food, raising ourmeat, and knowing how they do it
, so that we're not getting allthose additional chemicals that
are causing a lot of problemsfor people, the majority.
(16:13):
I have a friend who says thenumber one, the top three,
actually leading causes of deathin the United States can be
caused by what's on our dinnerplate.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think that there may be a lot of truth in that.
So let's back up a minutebecause I want to talk about the
land you're looking for.
Yes, we may have peoplelistening who own some land that
might be a spot to help, orthey've seen some, because I
think we need to identify, likethis is one of the first steps
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is to find the land and then,okay, so tell us about the land
one more time, because I knowthere's somebody listening that
goes you know what?
My grandpa has 800 acres, and Ibet we could split off 40 acres
and really leave a footprintfor them.
How would that work?
They can donate land to you taxdeductibly.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, yes, we are a 501c3 established in 2010, and
so all donations aretax-deductible, right, and
there's other ways too, and well, there's an infinite number of
ways that we could work that outwith people within fundraising
and actually purchasing itoutright, or having the land
donated, which is great too.
We're looking for yeah, I wouldsay about 40 acres and up.
(17:27):
We're looking for clean land,land that hasn't been overly
sprayed with chemicals andpesticides and maybe
conventional monocrop ag, eventhough, for the right piece of
land, you can restore that.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And there's ways to be able to make that healthy
soil again.
We're looking for land that hasits own water source, because
that's also going to be a partof the sustainability and the
regenerative aspect to it.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
How cool is that yeah so.
I just bet there's somebodylistening that knows where your
land is.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
And right now maybe it gets put on their heart that,
hey, let's find a way.
Whatever the way is, let's gofind the way, yep, because
there's so much land justsitting there.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Yes, there is.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And it may be generational, but how cool would
it be that you could find thatland here in the very near
future.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Well, and our program , the way we have it set up is,
it's designed to monetize theland initially, once we get into
it, so it increases the valueof it.
So we have different economicengines in different stages.
That once we step into theproperty, the financial
sustainability of the land isreally important to us, as well
as the stewardship of nature andthe land itself.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Okay, well, let's talk about what inspired you to
be this person that is amazingand doing things that are
valuable.
I don't know.
I get excited, Kenneth, when Imeet somebody.
They're not just in it for themoney.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I mean, I don't know how much money could possibly be
in this, but you're doing itfor the right reason.
Mm-hmm, what happened?
How did you end up here?
What inspired you to be you?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I don't think I couldn't not do it.
I noticed that there aresimpler ways to do things that
support people, that healing ourbodies, all aspects of
ourselves, can be very, verysimple if you have the right
tools and you have the rightknowledge.
(19:25):
And so, to be able to bringpeople in that have been
struggling and suffering foryears, into a building where
they can have an intake sessionwith a practitioner that can
help create a wellness programfor them Right, because every
individual is unique andeveryone has a unique history
(19:46):
and container.
So, having this intake process,where here are the different
modalities that can help you,and here's your program, having
the food aspect of it foldedinto that as well, having the
model of education.
And as I became a mother and anentrepreneur, I realized that I
didn't want to choose betweenputting my kids in daycare and
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building a business, or havingthem with me and feeling like I
could have done something elseas well.
And that's just what's in myheart is to support and help
people through my business, butalso to have my kids with me.
So we've created this modelwithin the Wellness Center,
where and it's mostly women, butit is some men too within the
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wellness center, where and it'smostly women, but it is some men
too.
So I don't mean to say likemamas, but we know a lot of
practitioners who want to pulltheir kids from the school
systems but don't quite know howthat looks yet.
Like the systems are not thereto support us in the modern
world.
Before we would have 150 peoplein community and we would all
be doing things and you know,chopping wood and carrying water
.
But the way we are in ourmodern world right now, we don't
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have those systems in place.
So I felt like I could see thevision for these systems that
would work and through lots oftrial and error in my own home
and then scaling it, we foundways to have practitioners work
and have the school side of it.
So it's really been throughnecessity.
I want to be a part of creatingnew systems so that my kids
going forward can live happier,healthier lives, because right
(21:21):
now that's not the trajectorythat we're on and I feel like
our society is smart enough tobe able to figure out the
answers.
If we know that there's toomuch carbon in the atmosphere
but regenerative farming cancorrect that in 20, 30 years,
it's like, well, let's go do it.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
So you mentioned in your bio that not just food
production but food distribution, so this center could be a
place.
Is the idea to educate peopleabout production of these foods?
Yes, and so that thedistribution could just be in
their own acre, in the backyard?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Absolutely.
Is that how?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
you see this going.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Absolutely so.
I actually saw a little videoand it said that there was.
It was either Belgium orHolland.
There was a city in Europe andevery family that wanted three
chickens got three chickens.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And they just gave them three chickens and taught
them how to raise them.
And if cities in America didthat, we would need we would
have no need for an egg industrywhich is pretty crazy, because
we would be self-sufficient.
So should there be an issue withtrucking, or should there be an
issue with weather or whatever,what have you what we've seen
in the last couple of years?
Empty shelves would not be anissue because we would have food
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production in our backyard.
Now the flip side of that isfor any of our listeners that
have ever gone on like healingretreats or things like that, or
workshops or seminars and yougo and you immerse yourself in
this amazing maybe a weekend ora day or a a week long retreat.
You know where I'm going withthis and you're like, yes, this
is great, I love it, I'm goingto make all these changes.
(22:57):
And then we go back home andmaybe some of us find like, okay
, but real life is here and howdo we actually implement these?
That's where the work starts.
So the wellness center itselfis this immersive experience for
people to come to learn teach.
The wellness center itself isthis immersive experience for
people to come to learn, teachheal we all have that within us.
(23:18):
That's why it'slearnteachhealorg but also to
have the education and the toolsto be able to take the micro
versions back to their homes,like you said, where they can do
this in their kitchens, intheir backyards, in their homes.
So we have the micro and themacro model, the larger vision
of the wellness center on, youknow, 40 plus acres.
We also would ideally like tohave, you know, two to five
acres within town, so we have acentral hub.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, yeah, so something a little more central
than because if you get 40 acres, it's probably on the perimeter
of town at least.
Okay, well, that's pretty cool.
You know, you and I have amutual friend.
I don't want to say her name,but she lives in a nice
neighborhood and she raisesquail.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Love it.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But in her house you're not allowed to raise
poultry in most neighborhoods.
But she brought one of her babyquail to one of our events and
she raises quail and does quaileggs and they're very delicious.
Yeah, and in my brain I waslike why doesn't everybody do
this Right?
And she's able to do it indoors.
(24:17):
It's not like a giant hassle.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And I think people just don't think about hey, what
if I made this change?
So I'm glad to hear this story,because our friend is in the
quail business in her verysuburban home.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I love that Well, and we have our modern conveniences
, and I think a lot of ournatural resources have been
stripped away from us and oureducation has been stripped away
from us and sold back to us ata premium, and so now it's kind
of time to take back the reinswith our own health and with our
own things that matter,including food production.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
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Speaker 1 (25:26):
Sounds like a great product.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Wealthy people know where their stuff is, people
that struggle.
It's all over the map andthat's actually why we created
that product.
Wow Is to hey.
I think average people have theright to know what wealthy
people know, but nobody teachesthat, and I think that same line
of thinking in the financialworld is what hurts the health
(25:50):
and wellness industry.
I mean, your quote was what'skilling us is what's on our
plate.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And we're out trying to solve the end result, which
is medical care.
But if we could bring it backfull circle, man, what a but
that would lead to plannedobsolescence for doctors and
prescriptions.
Do you think the industryreally wants us to be healthy or
do they want us to be customers?
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I mean, every industry needs customers, but I
think that you know there's roomfor for both right now.
I think that we have a foot inboth worlds right now and if
more people look upstream tofrom sick care to like wellness,
health and wellness.
You wanted me to go morecontroversial on that, didn't
(26:38):
you?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, I just want you to do you.
I don't want you to be thrownin the back of a black van or
something.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Never again.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Have them come and get me.
I'm easier to get a hold of.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
No, I do think that the system is not set up to
support us.
I think the system is set upexactly.
I used to say the systems arebroken.
Education, agriculture, youknow, chem ag now it's really
medical, but it's, you know.
My eyes have been opened to thefact that the systems are doing
exactly what they were designedto do and there's amazing,
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wonderful, caring, beautifulpeople within the systems that
are just maybe trained to dowhat the system?
Speaker 3 (27:20):
is training them to do Right.
So I think I know why this isimportant and you've illustrated
this a few times when we'vetalked, talk about the numbers
and why this is essential,because today's health care
system, to me, is more reactive.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Here's a Band-Aid for your scrape, but I think what
you're proposing is that we bemore pre-active or proactive
where, like you said, if youcould go upstream a little bit,
there's not as much death to goaround if you deal with it on
that level.
Talk about some of the numbersgoing on in the healthcare
industry right now in terms ofwhy this is so important.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, so mental health is number one that I
would like to discuss the healthand wellness.
Mental health and wellness ofour population is declining at a
rapid and alarming pace, andour teens, adolescents, our kids
, are suffering the most.
It used to be that anxiety anddepression were doubling every
(28:21):
generation, and then 2020happened and those numbers have
been skyrocketing, and so weknow that these numbers can be
reduced through spending time incommunity, spending time in
nature and consumingnutrient-dense foods.
So when people are doing thosethree things getting natural
daylight, sunshine, activatingthe vitamin D within the body,
(28:41):
consuming the nutrition,earthing feet in you know, okay,
I've been reading about this.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
I'm glad you're talking about this so good.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, grounding feet in the earth.
You know we were called treehuckers for a reason, but it's
like and I joke about that butit's like getting your feet in
the earth helps to actuallyremove the electromagnetic
charge from holding our devicesand being around all these cell
towers and things like that.
So it's just bringing us backinto the earth's magnetics which
(29:10):
has, you know, the studies areshowing that that's really
helping people with stress, butalso with physical issues in the
body.
So it really isn't rocketscience when you look at the
numbers and you think you know.
Let's build a wellness centerwhere people can come and do
that, where they can be incommunity and learn, where they
can be in the gardens they canget.
You know, I envision busloadsof kids coming up with fingers
(29:34):
in the dirt and learning howtheir food is produced oh,
that's a great idea yeah, andthere's there's organizations
that are already doing that workright now.
Um, so we're just bringing ittogether in one hub that's
inspiring.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm glad to hear that yeah and um.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
so the mental health aspect of it absolutely has to
be corrected and and currentlyit's solely medicated, and we
have alternatives to that forpeople who are looking for that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I think one of the great problems in our country is
mental health.
Care was really written out ofmost health care plans as well,
and it's very you know.
We pay all this money forinsurance, but it's not
critically working towardsresolution when it comes to
mental health, and I thinkmental health used to have a
stigma.
Do you see that that'sdissipated some?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Very much so, and with sharing so much on social
media and, I also think, youngergenerations that are just fed
up with carrying the burden ofwhat's been passed down to them
there's more people talkingabout well, when I talk to my
therapist and there's like nostigma around that anymore, and
there shouldn't be, andsometimes mental health can and
I'm not a mental health expertjust like quoting some of the
(30:42):
numbers that we saw.
but sometimes mental health cancome from a nutritional
imbalance in the brain and thereshould be no stigma around that
, because that's just math,we're just not it's just math,
that's right.
We're not, and I thought you'dappreciate that.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
We're not taking in as much nutrition as we need for
the machine to operateoptimally.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Or there's been so much trauma and that's not
people's fault either, right?
So it is very exciting to seepeople talking about it and more
and more people resources andways to heal at the root.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, I've recognized that.
You know, when I went to highschool in the 70s, late 70s I
mean, there was definitely astigma if you were talking to
somebody about mental health.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
But as I got older I went man, I need some help with
some things.
There's things I can't see.
I've got a blind spot and I'veenjoyed going to a counselor
yeah, because they can seethings and I've enjoyed going to
a counselor.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
Because they can see things and they're not afraid to
say something in a way.
You know, if I went to my, youknow, some adult in my life hey,
I'm struggling with theseconcepts they might say, hey,
rub some dirt on it, you'll befine.
And I don't think that's theright idea.
I think, you know, and noteverything we feel needs to be,
(31:54):
you know, dealt with maybe inthat way.
But you know, there are timesin my life like I was absolutely
sure I need another set ofeyeballs in this and I need
somebody who can listen.
And if there's a deficiency inmy body medically, chemically I
want to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And kind of get back to what feels like normal.
So I'm glad you started withthat.
I think that's one of the mostoverlooked essential areas of
coverage in this healthcarehealth and wellness because
wellness is a much bigger wordfor me than just health.
I don't have the flu, I don'thave a broken bone Okay, well,
(32:33):
I'm healthy-ish, but I want tobe well, I want to.
Maybe we call that the wellnesschart, which is above zero.
There's probably a name for it,but I'm glad to hear you
talking about that.
Well, what else?
I mean?
I know mental issues have beenbig, but we need there's so much
with the diet, there's so muchwith nutrition, there's so much
with the chemicals and additivesto our food.
(32:54):
Talk about that, becausethere's stuff going on that
shouldn't be going on at therate diabetes and heart disease.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, Diabetes and heart disease and cancer is
epidemic proportions.
We have chemicals in our airand our water sprayed on our
food, injected into our food, inthe DNA of our food.
What else?
Household toxins, chemicals,how our houses are built, all
these different pieces.
There's so much more.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Two years ago, katie and I decided to get all the
chemicals out of our house Niceand we found some companies that
support that idea.
Yeah, and we just use theirproducts.
And we took fluoride out of ourtoothpaste, yep, and we've just
do what you can do, you know,and it's not it, man, if you
think being healthy is expensive, you should see what it costs
to be sick, you know, cause youlose time, money, effort,
(33:44):
co-pays, not not just to mention, you know, the medical expense
side, but Well, and it's thisillusion that insurance covers
it.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
And if it's not covered by insurance, it's this
illusion that insurance coversit, and if it's not, covered by
insurance and it's out of pocket, then that's expensive and
insurance doesn't cover as muchas we think it does.
And you're exactly right.
And yes, 100%.
And also it steals from youbeing sick or having an issue or
an injury.
It steals from your time withloved ones and I mean you can
never get that time back.
That's invaluable.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Right.
So, Well, so people arebenefiting from the work you're
doing on the nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
How do you see this?
I mean, let's start with thetimeframe when, in your
imagination, as you've builtthis out, yeah, from your heart
to paper, how long.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So we would like to get into the macro excuse me,
the micro version of thewellness center this year.
So we are actively seekingfunding to be able to acquire a
piece of property in centralTulsa area.
It's a couple acres, it has acouple buildings on it and that
would give us our home base tobe able to operate out of.
People would be able to come inon their lunch break and pick
(34:51):
up their meals for the week,their dinners for the week.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Oh, cool idea.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, that gives them back a couple hours at the end
of their day, stress-free withtheir family, and people could
come in throughout the day fordifferent treatments and
different programs for adultsprogramming for adults and
children as well.
So we would like to get intothis property this year and then
we envision, within five years,having the wellness center
(35:15):
developed and built.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
So this is ongoing, and and so you'll start with the
micro version, first two, threeacres, four acres.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Maybe it's it's fire ready aim, and we are on the
ground learning as we go.
So we, you know, we recentlypartnered with somebody who had
a 7,000 square foot lot in OwenPark community and so Owen Park
neighborhood is Tulsa's oldestneighborhood.
It's really really cute, reallycool in North Tulsa and we had
(35:45):
a connection there and we wereable to develop that into a
community garden, so that'songoing right now.
That was never in the plan.
That was like we're looking for80 to 100 acres and we acquired
7 000 square feet and it's beenso beautiful and such a
blessing and has attracted justthe most amazing talented people
that are helping us then withthe larger vision.
(36:06):
So when you say so, you'regoing to start with the smaller
one maybe.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah Well, who knows, Maybe this podcast reaches the
guy that's like I'm so sick ofhaving this 100 acres here.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, I just don't want to mow anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I just have to mow it .
Speaker 1 (36:22):
We'll bring in some goats and take care.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah, I like the way you're thinking about that.
Well, this is exciting.
I mean, I am genuinely excitedand I think our listeners will
be as well.
Thank you, and I think ourlisteners will be as well.
Thank you that we can make achange.
And you know, in my brainthere's got to be somebody out
there right now that wants to bepart of this.
You know, maybe there's yeah.
I think there are a lot ofpeople that you know.
(36:46):
I mean, our country is wealthy,yeah, and you know, if we can
share our toys a little bitbetter, maybe this comes to life
.
And so do you have a board ofdirectors that direct all of the
donors and everything squaredaway with all that?
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Absolutely yeah, we have our board of directors and
it's just amazing the talentedpeople that have come to
contribute their time andsupport our organization.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Do any governmental agencies around the area?
How do they perceive you?
Because I could see, on onehand, man, that would be awesome
.
I'd love to be a politician whosaid, yeah, we help bring this
into life, but I also see youmight be a threat on some level.
How do the governmentinstitutions relate to you?
Speaker 1 (37:32):
So we actually had a representative from state and
federal.
He works with the USDA and hecame out to the community garden
and helped us teach a soilhealth class out there.
So yeah, my anti-systemupbringing was a little
resistant to reaching out toareas.
But you know, we want to putOklahoma on the map for health
(37:55):
and wellness in a positive way.
So you know we want to putOklahoma on the map for health
and wellness in a positive way.
So you know, one thing I wouldlove to do is reach out to the
governor.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Local government.
You know there's lots offunding and grant opportunities
that we've been working with aswell.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
If only you were part of some social group that had
7,000 or 8,000 members thatcould reach out to him.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
I don't know if he'd be willing to come and talk to
8,000 people who represent24,000 people in our community,
but maybe Maybe, If we couldonly find such a thing.
Yeah Well, I'll keep my eyeopen for that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, let me know if you.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I may know a guy, so let's drill down a little bit.
What do you need to get going?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, $1.2 million for the micro in town Right and
then, pretty close to thatactually, for the larger
property further out of town.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Right, so $1.2 to start, local, $1.2 to find the
land.
But that doesn't build thefacility obviously.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, it doesn't build the facility depending on on,
obviously, the real estatemarket and what's going on.
We've actually found someproperties that are comparable
to what we're looking for, thatare about 800,000.
And so yeah, just a little bitfurther out of town.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Well, I mean, are you able to take in-kind trades,
like from an architect or abuilder or a land developer?
Yes, are we looking for thosepeople as well?
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yes, so we have a great firm downtown that's
working with us.
Who has donated?
Their time, yes To do an artistrendering of the wellness
center and also to do the actualplans.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Okay, so they'll do like a topographical.
Hey, here's what this is goingto look like, and here's the
creek.
Yeah, that is cool.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, and they're very talented and also very
passionate about what it is thatwe're doing, so they've been
adding a lot of value to ourvision.
All right, so, yes, so thingsthat we're looking for well,
we're looking for support withconnections, and I mean anyone
that's listening to this.
It's like, well, I may not haveland or money to donate to the
(39:57):
nonprofit, but I know a fewpeople so sharing our vision,
sharing at learnteachhealorg.
I've got a 90-second,two-minute video that's on there
that talks about the vision andpaints it out of what we're
doing.
So who do you know that wouldwant to contribute to this?
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I think we're on our way, man.
I love this concept.
So we need funding, we needsome connections, yes, and we
need volunteers.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
How does one volunteer in this project for
you?
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, absolutely so.
People can go to the websiteand they can reach out to us
through there.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We have our events listed there as well, and so
people can participate in theevents.
They can sign up to be avolunteer, either currently
within the community garden orat the Holistic Wellness event,
which is our annual big eventthat we host Oklahoma's largest
holistic health and wellnessvendor event.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And so that this year is October 12th, 2024.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Okay, and that's the one you've always done in the
fall.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, got it, yeah, okay and that's the one you've
always done in the fall.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, got it.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, so anyone also this kind of segues to people
who are looking for health andwellness answers?
In the interim, while we don'thave the physical building built
yet, people can come to ourevents and walk around and
interview practitioners.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
So you talk about vendors at your events, so we
could also find vendors toparticipate in this event.
Is it already sold out forOctober?
No, it's not about vendors atyour events, so we could also
find vendors to participate inthis event.
Is it already sold out foroctober?
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
No, we're at stony creek hotel and conference
center in broken arrow.
This year fun okay yeah, sowe've got the 12 000 square foot
grand ballroom and people willwalk in and I think we have room
for about 150 different vendorsin there okay, so anybody who
vends into the world of healthand wellness would be welcome.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, so people that sell nutritional products or
skin care or any of those things, they're welcome to come and be
part of this.
That's a great solution.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah so 150 vendors and we're actually
reaching out.
We had somebody sign up fromNortheast Arkansas, so we're
reaching out to the local areaas well within Kansas, missouri
and Arkansas, oklahoma City.
We'd like to reach out to morepeople too, but it really
started with northeasternOklahoma because there's so many
holistic practitioners thathave helped my family and our
(42:05):
immediate community.
We just wanted to bring themall together under one roof and
then it just grew and grew.
So now we're getting localvendors that sell product, food,
soil, health, different piecesof that.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Okay.
So if you want to volunteer, ifyou want to contribute, if you
want to be part of a beautifulsuccess story, you can go to
learnteachealorg and find out alittle bit more.
I know you've got a video there, and are there also payment
links if people just want tostart to donate organically?
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yes, yep.
So we have the option to have amonthly subscription where you
can donate on a recurring basis,or you can make a one-time
donation there as well.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Is your organization on social media as well?
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yes, facebook, instagram and LinkedIn Holistic
Oklahoma.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Holistic Oklahoma on all of those places Yep.
Holistic Oklahoma Kenna.
On Facebook, instagram, twitter, myspace all of those places
you can still find.
Aol, AOL yeah, we're on the AOLteam here, all right.
Well, we are here with AndreaReed, who is the founder of this
(43:12):
website of funding.
Help me say the name again onemore time, so I have the full
name correct.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, oklahoma Center for Wellness.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Oklahoma Center for Wellness and we can find that at
learnteachealorg.
We have a giant event coming upin October.
I hope everybody willparticipate with.
Yeah, I hope I'm availablebecause I wasn't able last year,
but I'd sure like to be part ofthat this year.
We want to get the word outabout that to our friends out
there.
Thank you All right.
Well, we're to that point ofthe show where we get a golden
(43:43):
nugget from you about businessand or life, and we love to
share wisdom with people.
It's one of the things I thinkin these type of organizations
that's best served is to sharewisdom with other people who are
seeking.
So we have a bunch of peopleseeking today.
Andrea, what would your goldennugget be for today?
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, it was a little bit aligned with what you
shared at the beginning and Ifeel like that fire-ready aim is
just something that more peoplecould lean into and embrace a
little bit more.
If you feel like you havesomething in your heart that you
want to start, if you feel likeyou have something to
contribute, or a business, or asbig or as small as it could be,
(44:24):
take the steps, take action,try it out.
If it's a lemonade stand or amultimillion-dollar business,
and if it brings you joy, Idon't think we've been taught
that our income and our businessand our time can be aligned
with what brings us joy andpurpose and can serve others.
(44:44):
So if there's something in yourheart that sparks that, go for
it and find people who have doneit.
Find people who are successful.
Reach out to people in thebusiness owners networking group
in Tulsa.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
And find a mentor and go for it.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
We are going to wrap up.
Do you work with a mentor now?
Do you have somebody in yourworld that you can go to?
Speaker 1 (45:07):
I do.
I have two coaches, and then Iwould like to talk more with you
, cash Matthews.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Oh well, I don't want to be a tormentor, which is
always a possibility.
All right, we are here todaytalking with Andrea Reid, and
she's doing things to make theworld a better place, and if
you'd like to find her, you canreach out at learnteachealorg
and find out about the amazingwork that she's doing.
(45:34):
Thank you, I think you make ourcountry a better place to be.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
And I look forward to more of that Appreciate it.
How was this show?
It was excellent.
This is better than I expected.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
I didn't eat Twinkies right before this because I
wanted to be aligned.
Your best, you wanted to be yourbest self.
I wanted to be living my bestlife.
So we're going to wrap it uphere today.
From Cash Flows, you know andwe close every show with this
hope is that today would be agreat day to find somebody to
(46:07):
forgive.
You know, so often people needto be forgiven and don't even
know it.
You know, I'm a clod.
I've been one of those guys mywhole life and I think
forgiveness is not about thatother person.
I think it's about you andsetting you free.
We tie these anchors around usand walk around and wonder why
(46:29):
am I going so slow?
Why are things happening not asquickly?
And often it's because you andyou, you know there's a grudge
or something you're holding, anda grudge is the heaviest thing
in the world to lift on a dailybasis and it builds no good
muscle.
So today, think about it, Findsomebody and let them know hey,
(46:51):
I've been bothered by this for Xnumber of days weeks, years,
months and forgive them, becauseforgiveness makes the world go
round, and we're glad you'rehere with Cash Flows, sharing
the wisdom of people like Andreawho are making the world a
better place.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Thank you for being here today.
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of cash flows.
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