Episode 32 - Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla II (1993) - Castle Bravo: A Godzillaverse Retrospective

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Hey everybody, Derek here. Just a quick note before we get
into the episode itself. We are now pretty deep into the
ongoing writers and actors strikes in Hollywood.
And I mean obviously as a a a pretty.
I think at this point it should be pretty obvious like
left-leaning podcast and and very like pro labor folks.
We want to stand in solidarity with the folks striking, You

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know, people in Hollywood, writers, actors deserve better
pay. They deserve not to be
supplanted by a I writers deserve the writers rooms where
I'm not the person you should becoming to for these kinds of
full breakdowns as to what strikes are about.
But the important thing is SAG AFTRA, the Actors Guild has
requested that influencers and podcasters and the like cease

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promoting work that is by the studios and the major streaming
models that have been struck against.
Now what that means for us at first was a little confusing.
I figured we were in the clear because we are covering
primarily Japanese made movies. And to be clear, I'm not
necessarily worried about the idea of being blacklisted by SAG

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AFTRA. It's incredibly unlikely, like
I'm ever going to become a Hollywood actor, but you know,
we support the strikes. We support them ideologically.
I have friends in SAG AFTRA who are striking and I want to stand
by them and and hope that they get what they are, what they're
asking for, and get a fair deal from these studios.
But the difficulty is we are coming up on potentially

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covering some of the Americanmade movies very soon,
so that it would seem, despite the fact that we were talking
about older movies, might be against the spirit of of what
SAG After is asking us to do. So for right now, everything's
fine. We're going to keep putting out
episodes covering the, hey say, era of Godzilla.
But once we hit the end of that and hit the very infamous

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Tristar Godzilla film, if there's not a deal done in
Hollywood, we will probably haveto take a a short hiatus until
an appropriate deal is made in the Strike Can End.
Obviously the, you know, these episodes are not coming out
weekly. We're going to see how things
go. But you know, just so you all
understand that we stand with the the writers and the actors

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in Hollywood who are on strike and we stand with labor and you
know, we will be, we will not becovering any of the American
made Godzilla movies. We will just put the podcast on
hiatus until it's time to go again.
If a deal is not struck soon, that's it.
Onto the episode itself. Hello, everyone, and welcome to

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Castle Bravo. A Godzilla Versus retrospective.
I'm Derek. And I'm Charlotte, and we're two
siblings here to examine the history of the Godzilla
franchise, one movie at a time. We're joined today by writer and
journalist Ryan Easby. Ryan.
Hello. It's a pleasure to be here.
I'm honestly surprised we we spoke about this so long ago.

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I'm honestly surprised we got here.
Yeah, I know. It's.
It's kind of the thing about trying to plan out like multiple
seasons worth of guests at one time is, you know, yeah, some of
the folks further down the list are like, okay, maybe we forgot
about this. And then there's a lot of folks
I'm like reaching out to. It's like, shit, Yeah, let's go.
Let's, you know. But I'm excited.

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How's it going, bud? How you been?
I've been really good. The world's on fire.
But I'm honest, as I as an individual, I'm doing really
well and I got to watch a movie that made me ask so much today.
And. I've got so, I've got so many
thoughts. But yeah, I'm really pleased to

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be here. Awesome.
Awesome, Charlotte. Yeah, How you doing?
I'm all right, just all right. I'm back to, all right.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I'll take.
All right. Look, the air quality's been
bad. My sinuses are weird.
My eyes are weird. They found, they found a house

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that was just basically made of bombs.
Yeah, like, very, very close to where your mom lives in the
city. That's right.
You were telling me you were like, yeah, they're doing a
controlled burn. And in my hot head, I was like,
wait a minute, Wasn't there like, a house that was just
packed to the gills with bombs that was just like a bomb shaped
like a house that they found in Louisville?

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I was like, is that the 1:00? And then you were like, yeah,
they. Can't risk moving it.
Yeah. So they're just going to burn it
because somehow burning bombs isbetter than moving.
It I don't. I don't know this stuff.
I'm a lot of things and a bomb disposal expert is not one of
them. So Yeehaw, I've been doing OK.

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It's been kind of a crazy coupleof weeks because we had to take
a couple weeks off from recording.
Like I was traveling a lot and then you were traveling.
And then, you know, obviously asas people heard from the end of
Godzilla versus Mothra, I got real sick and it got so much
worse, like the night after the night we recorded that.

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Oh my God, I'm sorry. It's so bad.
About like that was what, like 1:00 PM on Sunday?
And then by that night, I was like in the shower, throwing up
on myself, repeatedly weeping like.
Oh my God, it was so bad. So the next day I went to the
doctor. I was like, this is, this is
Doctor Worthy. It's time.

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So. And I got pills and I got shots
and I'm better. So you know, you have to give.
You pills and shots. I know.
Shots by the way in the like shots, shots, shots, shots,
shots kind of way. Not like yeah, they literally
handed me like a plastic shot glass full of steroid liquid and

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they were like fucking drink this just go party time.
And I did and it tasted like. Yeah, that's actually the worst
shot I've ever had. And you were at my 21st
birthday. You've know, you know, I've
taken some questionable shots. Yeah, and I remember you
projectile vomiting in a piece of bread.
So it wasn't a great time. 21 came difficult for me, but

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enough embarrassing myself to the audience.
Let's talk about before we get into the movie, let's talk about
kind of where we are in Godzillahistory.
So obviously all through season three we've been covering the,
hey say, era of movies, which isthis sort of rebooted series of
movies that takes into account the very original, highly

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regarded 1954 Godzilla and then said, but everything after that
didn't happen. We're just starting fresh from
the original. We made a new Godzilla 2 in the
early 80s. That is now like the first time
Godzilla has reappeared since the 1950s.
And we've had this, this series of movies through the 80s and

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90s. We had Godzilla versus Biolante,
We had Godzilla versus King Gdora and then Godzilla versus
Mothra. And what we have found, I was
worried because anytime you comeinto the 90s, right, the 90s is
a bad time for geek media, right?
This is this is the era when things get big, flashy and

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stupid. So I was worried, but it it
turns out that up till today's movie at least, not to spoil
anything, you know, I want us tokind of get to that as we come.
But like, these movies have beenrelatively sharp.
They've had a lot to say about, you know, things like
nationalism and environmentalism.

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Like they've very much been in concert with and in tone in the
same tone of a lot of these, like, you know, pulpy but
humanist and progressive, like sixty 50s and 60s scifi movies.
I'm glad that it sounds like youand I are in the same camp on
where this movie is. I think so, which is not to say

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I'm down on it, but like it's going to be a complicated
discussion today. But you know the the hey Say era
hasn't always gone super well, right?
Like, Return of Godzilla did really good, but then Godzilla
versus Biolante barely made its money back, you know, So then
they went, OK, well, all we're going to do now is just bring
back famous Godzilla and don't do anything new.

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Bring back famous Godzilla monsters.
And you know, Godzilla versus King Gadora was still some
pretty bold storytelling choices.
Is a very weird time travel movie, is very, very like openly
antinationalist. But I mean, they just brought
back King Gadora, right? In a kind of a weird new
version. Then we had Godzilla versus
Mothra and Godzilla versus Mothra.

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I thought was a super faithful recreation of the 60s, right?
Like purely it was so 50s and 60s.
It was so perfect. It made so much money.
People loved Mothra. So where we're at now is these
movies are finally making money again, and they think they
finally nailed what they think they need to do to keep being

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successful. They wanted Toho wanted to make
one final movie in the Hey say era is a few reasons for this.
One of which is that Ishiro Honda died, right?
The director of the original film passed away very shortly
after the release of Godzilla versus Mothra.

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So you know this was meant to belike okay.
Well, we'll honor him with one more and then put it on ice.
Also, Tristar was in the processof working on, you know, an
American Godzilla movie. Now this is this is 1993, so
that this move that today's movie releases.
So technically we're talking, I don't know exactly how the

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timeline on this match is up, but the original plan was for
Sony's Godzilla movie to releasein 1994.
So the thought was, well, we'll make this one and then we'll get
the fuck out of the way for the tristar Godzilla.
That movie famously had a very, very difficult and troubled,
like production history, so thatdoesn't hit until 1998.

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But anyways, this is planned to be the last one.
And they're like, OK, well, we want to go out with a bang.
What's the biggest thing we can do?
And just like before they go, well, the biggest thing we can
do is King Kong. And once again, King Kong.
The Diva was not taking their phone calls for some fucking
reason I don't. Isn't King Kong Public Domain?

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I don't think he was at that point like he is now.
This works out, but like, it's because because I thought that I
remember originally saying, Oh yeah, there were definitely
licensing issues back for like Godzilla versus King Ghidorah,
But I've looked it up since thenand remembered like Nintendo was
fighting over this with Donkey Kong in the 80s.
So who? Owns the rights to King Kong now

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because they're making King Kongversus Godzilla and they're
making a second one. So is it the same studio?
That's a good question. I don't, I don't think it was
Universal that went to fight with Nintendo over the rights to
Donkey Kong. But the way I read that was that
like King Kong was public domainthen.
So I don't know what the fuck isgoing on.

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But apparently shit gets complicated because they're
legally not allowed to use King Kong again and I don't.
You know, one of these days I'llhave a I will hire a lawyer to
explain to me what the fuck happened here.
But it's not I. Looked up ownership rights King
Kong. This is the longest section of

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the Wikipedia article. Oh my God.
Oh my God. So I just.
Here's the problem I should not have taken.
The wig of Coke 0 the moment yousaid that, because it's in my
nose now. Hang on, I'm waiting it now.
So it was ruled in N936 that King Kong is public domain.

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In 1976 it was ruled. Actually, no, it's not.
It just would take vaccines. Yeah, yeah.
Jesus Christ. Well and then on top of that,
because they'd already used a like King Kong version at Toho
was their legal version specifically with the Toho King
Kong where like somebody involved with the creation of

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those early movies was was a blockade.
Like, I I don't fucking know because I also remember I used
to be talk to like the guy one of the guys who worked at pipe
Works making the Godzilla fighting games and I remember
him talking about how difficult it was to and impossible to get
the green light for King Kong inthose.
So anyway, Toho was like, we're going to go out on it with a

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bang. King Kong, oops, we can't
fucking do that. So what they did instead was
give us today's movie, which is jam packed with stuff from
earlier hey say movies, as well as like classic.
Like reimaginings of classic like Shoah era, Godzilla

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monsters, which we will get to in due time.
In the Plot Summary we did in inregards to the actual talent
behind the movie, see a few changeups.
One is that the writer has changed.
It's no longer the writer and director who's been involved

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heavily through the hey say movies up till now.
Why am I blanking on his name? Let me look at them up real
quick because I feel bad not saying his name.
The Kazuki Omori. So Omori is no longer writing
the script behind this movie. It is a new writer named Watari
Mimura Mimura. This is his first writing credit

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that I could find, but he would go on to write several of the
like Millennium era Godzilla movies.
So this dude stays involved withthe franchise.
But this is a different dude writing the script from most of
the 80s and 90s movies till now.Our director is the same
director who did Godzilla versusMothra.
It's Takao Okawarra. Interesting thing.

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I read several places, although I could not find an actual
citation of this, that this movie was supposed to be
directed by Ishiro Honda. Again, this is the thing that
like fans keep commenting placesand like it's on TV tropes with
no citations. So like, take that with a like a

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a fucking entire banishing crystal of salt.
But that would explain why Hondawas hanging around on set.
You know towards the end of Godzilla versus Mothra, right?
As if he was being corded to do you know, the next and maybe
final Godzilla movie. Kind of like they did with

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Terror of Mecca Godzilla back inthe show era.
But of course he died. So Okawarra gets the job again.
And then special effects, supervision.
It's still Kawakita. That ain't changing.
He's been here since the beginning.
He's going to keep being here through the, hey say era.
And then the music, It's Akira EFA Kube again.

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You can fucking tell. Because EFA Kube is
irreplaceable, so it's a pretty good talent and a pretty
consistent set of talent behind this movie compared to the rest
of the, hey say era. It's just a new writer and it's
somebody that Toho would like and trust enough to keep
bringing Mimura back in the future.

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So with all of that set, Charlotte, why don't you tell us
what happens in Godzilla versus Mecca Godzilla 2?
All right, let's start. Let's actually, before I do
that, because I've lied to you, I'm not giving you the car keys
yet. We do have to talk about the
title. Godzilla versus Mecca.
Godzilla too. Yeah, because I looked into this

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because obviously I'm coming into this up on the eyes of
somebody who's not. I've not seen a lot of Godzilla,
and this is the American title, right?
This is the title in Japan. As well, why is this it called
Godzilla versus Megazilla too, when there isn't A1 in this
version of the timeline? It's because there is a Godzilla

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versus Mecca Godzilla in 1974. It is purely that they are
worried about confusing people because, and maybe this is a
Japanese cultural thing. Maybe this is just something
we're like we hadn't gotten as aas a global culture is
comfortable just reusing the names of shit were, you know,
remaking or rebooting. But it was somehow more

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confusing for me, which is the weird thing.
We'll get into it and we get therecap.
But when you first came back with Zilla, I thought like, oh,
this is a recap of like the. Last one I thought like all that
we built him or something. I didn't.
That's his first appearance in this universe in this series of
movies. Yes, you basically want to erase
the two from the title in your head.

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It's there to denote that it is not the 1970s movie, but it's.
I don't think it was a good call, but here we are.
This is what it is. Fair enough.
Yeah. It's funny because we almost had
the same situation with Godzillaversus Mothra, except the one in

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the Was it the late 50s and I think it was late 50s.
Was Mothra versus Godzilla? It was.
The only ones you can, the only one you can really get away
with, is called your movie Godzilla Again.
Which is they've done three times.
Now you can get away with that because it's the name of the
character, like it's the name ofthe main star, but this is just

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confusing. So they do another Godzilla
versus Mecca Godzilla in the theearly 2000s.
And they do change the title in order to not run into this
confusion, again, because it's clear Toho does not like reusing
titles. But this approach didn't fucking
work, and I think it probably confuses a lot of casual folks,
even if the explanation is very simple.

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Why the fuck is this Godzilla versus Mecca Godzilla 2 anyway?
Charlotte, keys to the car. Bam, you got the wheel drive.
All right, well, I thought that it was called that because when
it combined with Goruda, that was supposed to be Mecca
Godzilla 2. But anyway, that's super Mecca
Godzilla. It is.
They do call it that. We'll get to that letter, but

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yeah, all I'll say is the 2nd that happened.
I checked the dates for when thefirst time Power Ranger's head
was. That I had to know.
Yeah, there's okay. Never mind.
I'll get to that. We'll get to this one.
Cold opens to like, one of the mechanical heads that they've
fished up from the ocean. Yeah, Mecca Kinggidora is

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mechanical head, the middle head.
Right, so. Here's my first question, and
there's going to be a lot of things, so bear with me.
So there's two questions about me making a dollar they make.
There's a line here where they state he's from the future.
Yes, yes. What the fuck?
Yeah, Godzilla versus King Ghidora had people from OK, we

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need to do a quick plot recap because that's the thing.
Most other movies in this seriesdo not really care if you've
seen anything before them, but this opens on something that is
so specifically, like coming from a very.
Plot destiny. This this, this, this, this.
Like, I have a full document of note and the fourth note is all

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cops. Wait, it's making yourself in
the fucking future? So.
King Gadora What happened is people from the future in a
timeline where Japan became so economically powerful they
became the New Evil Empire and Japan as a nation bought Africa
and South America. Bought, Bought like they own.

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The Global South in the future and becomes the Evil Empire,
right? So, and this is a Japanese made
movie by the way. So, like, yeah, we're getting
into some really. I'm going to go.
I'm going to go with this because if I don't, we're going
to be here all day. So terrorists from the future
who want to stop that from happening come back to the past

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in order to make it where Godzilla is never made, but
instead King Ghidorah is made from there like genetically
engineered, like pets. Like they make these three
little genetically engineered golden bat pets that they put
where the atomic bomb is going to drop in steads that they make
King Gadora. By the way, we're pretty sure
that they made those geneticallyengineered off of the corpse of

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King Gadora that was already at the bottom of the ocean.
In the future, what happens is they make King Gadora, but they
don't actually succeed in not making Godzilla.
So Godzilla kills King Gadora, then King Gadora's body ends up
in the bottom of the ocean whereit already was in the future.
So in the future, they decide what they need to do is they
need to put mechanical Cyborg parts on King Gadora's corpse

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instead and send it back to the past to fight Godzilla, where it
only sort of succeeds it it beats him, but it gets
destroyed, putting it back on the bottom of the ocean and by
the way, where it where it's been.
Fished out, by the way, because they fish out all the mechanical
parts to make Mecca Godzilla leaves the original King Gadora
corpse to be found in the futureto be it's hang.

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On Godzilla Versus King Gadora is so dense so.
It is a stable time loop movie with like 3 internal stable time
loops. It's insane.
This movie is a lot simpler but.So we've probably like because
the people who fish up Mecca Godola are what's the what's in

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the government agency. Yeah, right.
So there's two things. One I can't hear that without
thinking of the Disney movie, but.
Is that? Why is there an entire
government agency stopping one guy who seems to appear?
Totally infrequent. Like AP is a totally infrequent

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intervals. And it's not just him.
Why is it? Why is it just antique?
Why is it just like this is the Godzilla force like it's the is
the Martha force? Well, no, because Martha is not
an antagonistic force, right? Like this kind of does make
sense in context because every other problem in this series of
movies. Well, there's only been two,

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right? There's by Alante, which was
manmade. So oops, that's on us.
We fucked up. Then there's King Ghidora, which
is sort of manmade. That's an oops.
We fucked up. Mothra is on the side of people,
so Mothra is not a problem. Batra was a problem, but Batra's

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dead. So, like, they're just kind of
looking at Godzilla, Like, hey, this motherfucker does wander
ashore and blow up cities every so often we could get.
Yeah, we could maybe make that not happen.
So they fish up the robot from the future to make a super
robot. Right.
But as far as it also being like, it's also a an

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organization that exists basically to create super
weapons, primarily to fight Godzilla.
But I also think that there's just kind of the undercurrent of
like. This is a weapons development
Division. I think Godzilla is the
weirdest. Thing they have Ideally, if
Mecca Godzilla had like succeeded in killing Godzilla,
like in theory we would have theMecca Godzilla robot that could

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kill anything else that comes down the road.
So, which I mean with hindsight that we're going to have later
probably would not have actuallyhelped, but that is for
something for us to deal with ina couple episodes, not today.
So they've they've fished up that mechanical head and they

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are certain that this time, thistime, they're going to destroy
Godzilla. It's the year 1992 and they have
established the National G Countermeasures Center to
develop a battle machine to fight Godzilla.
And they have this this one machine that they've made which
is basically just like a plain. Thing.

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Like a plain Mac, I hoped it would transform.
I thought I was going to be likea Valkyrie.
It wasn't, but it's called Goruda.
They made the shitty unit, the shitty like support unit and
Super Robot Wars that you only use in the first mission where
you get it because you have to, and then it gets put on the
sidelines for the rest of the game because you're like, why
would I get the scene? Later, that makes what that jet

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look like, A Starbucks jet. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So they. Are working currently on the new
Mecca Godzilla using that head and it's nuclear powered.
It has the NT1 alloy which I I did not look up to see if that
if this came out before or afterGun to Malik's existed after

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but. OK, well there you go.
And then it was coded in artificial diamond so that if it
gets hit by Godzilla's atomic breath, it would reflect it back
at at Godzilla. Because they.
They love to do that. That's like the first thing they
think of. That's what they did with the
Super X and it didn't fucking work there.
Although it no. It does work with Mecca,
Godzilla, just with other problems, but yeah.

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They also have laser tanks that exist just because Godzilla does
so right. By.
OK, because this is built, there's a whole new economy
because of Godzilla, baby. So this is.
This is. So as we've established already,
this is the time loop. Doesn't the time loop guarantee
that this fails? No, the we're already outside of
the time loop. All the time loop stuff is

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inside Godzilla versus King Gdora.
Why does that makes? More sense, yeah.
Yeah, the. Difference between the this time
and the original time is when Godzilla first appears and
attacks Japan, which has changedsort of because of them moving
him and Godzilla versus King Gdora Sort of.

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Again, it's not totally clean because in the original show you
had or not original show in the original like Showa era of
movies you had shit like aliens that are not a thing in this
timeline. But broadly speaking, you know
if you don't nitpick on details,the idea is Godzilla versus King
Gdora is why there is an 80s and90s series.

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So a scientist and and a lady godown to where the guru is kept.
And Cosuma, our main boy dinosaur boy as he'll soon be
known, introduces himself to Yuri.
Who's that? The lady that's there, and she's
being stationed there and he's very excited for this because
he's like a woman. We could be friends.

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This happens. Mobile times in this movie?
Yeah. Like, actually, no, you're not
allowed to work around women. We're transferring you.
This do three women in this movie and all three of them he
comes on to in some way, yeah. Yeah, but no.
He's being reassigned to the aforementioned G Force and now
Cosima. He's not good at anything,

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basically. He is, but you know.
We'll get that. Traditionally, he's not good at
anything. He's good at his hyper fixation
and that's about it. There's one, yeah.
There's no, but finally he's good at things.
As long as they have a vague. We'll get that there.
But he builds someone who has a vague correlation to his hyper
fixation. Yeah, and it's something that
only a high level engineer couldever build.
This man's so into tyrannodons specifically that he invents a

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flying like a a fucking anti gravity glider.
Well, OK. We'll get them.
But this questions about that I have, but there's no
neurotypical explanation for this matter, right?
Like we we are all clear on thatthis is an autistic.
One, Yeah. Yeah.
So he heads to the to the G force center, right?

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And the commander there looks over his side.
Is this Sorry? Is this after they reveal the
logo? I think so.
That okay. That logo reveal that music is
the coolest thing I've ever seenin my entire life.
The vibes, like the vibes, are fucking good.
The vibes were. Immediately set.
It's like I was like, holy shit.So.
Yeah, he wrote Tyrannodon as hishobby.

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Just the word Tyrannodon. So this is the first major thing
I wrote down. I was confused.
I was confused about he just well he was asked his hobby.
So first of all, what type of job application?
Ask hobbies. I've never had one where where
it's like, oh what job, but. He just.
He. Didn't wait.
Dinosaurs. He want a dinosaur?

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Yeah, just one. Just one.
Dinosaur like I was, I was like.This is the first one of this
movie, and there's a few where Iwas like, this is a weird
writing decision. It's just because this boy is
something different, like we have to.
We we have to self that he likesdinosaurs.
That's important. Fucking dinosaurs.
And he never. No, he likes this dinosaur.

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It's important. Fuck every other dinosaur.
So then he goes. Through his little training
montage. And again, he's just not very
good at anything. I hate stop.
This so much but the training montage so.
They they they they trained themin, they trained them in martial
arts. Yeah, what the fuck are they
going to do? If if you get into a situation

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where you need to use martial arts in in Against God's horse.
I feel like you've already lost well.
They have been in a situation where like another government
has come to try to sell like GC.That's true.
That's true. We did.
We have had to deal with with intercontinental terrorism.
So this is no. Human, because there's no human
villains in this one. So to me, all I saw was the most

(30:28):
expensive toy war by the historyand somebody training to like
like judo, flip, Godzilla. Yeah, which it must be clear
this is not like a G Gundam style.
Your martial arts will translateto the robot.
This bitch has like a 747 control panel, so.
They are trading them in what looks like karate.

(30:48):
It's just karate, yeah. It gets fucking flipped.
It's great, yeah. And he gets slipped.
By a woman and gives her a weirdlook and it's really weird again
and she's like, I got I want nothing to do with this dude.
Do not touch me, he has. Big like annoying puppy dog
energy. And I do kind of love him.
But yeah, by the time we. Got half of this movie, I fell

(31:10):
for it. Yeah.
So then we go over to a Dona island in the Bering Sea.
And there's like this group on there, that's on there for
research and there's a time. Jump here, right?
This is like two years later or something.
I think so, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Right, so.
He's been stationed there for two years now.

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Because you don't. Because I only know that thanks
to the background we did, because the movie doesn't really
like it, doesn't go into that well, it doesn't explain that
there was a two year because it's night 4 now, right?
Yes. Once again, like, it kind of
hopes and expects that you watchGodzilla versus King Gdora and
just understand like, oh, this part is beginning, part is

(31:51):
taking place. You know, after they sunk King
Gdora into the ocean a couple years ago, Not, you know, Yeah.
Again, this is the only movie sofar that's been like this.
So yeah. So they're they're on this
island and there's. Like a group of researchers and
like one company guy and that company guy's like, yeah, we we

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do offshore drilling here. So the the research team is
looking around the island and they find just a Tyrannodon
skeleton and like some eggs on the island and some prehistoric
plants that you should put a penin for later.
And so they they take this egg back to their camp, and because
they stole the dinosaur's egg, the dinosaur shows up and it's a

(32:36):
Tyrannodon. Which swoops down and causes
like a fire basically with the with the, the blowback from its
wings and it's Rodan. Like, this is Rodan.
It's it's motherfucking Rodan. Yeah, it's a it's a it's.
A The introduce to us a taradon and then later it's a taradon.
They can also carpet pump people.
Yeah, Now the bullshit explanation that they get into

(32:59):
is that there is like. Just latent radiation on the
island, as they like, measure from the plants.
Which is why Rodan has been mutated from a regular
Tyrannodon, and why the other egg is the way that it is.
That's Okay and I. Could be wrong here, correct me
if I'm wrong. Do they ever go into Why the
fuck does the dinosaur still here?

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No, but to be fair, you have to accept that because Godzilla
versus King Gdora already said that there was just a regular
ass dinosaur in the bikini. Itself that there was.
You have to accept that there was time travel in this
universe. Before the bombs in the the
again, not the like bombing of Hiroshima, but the like a tests

(33:41):
in the bikini at all. Godzilla was just a regular ass
dinosaur that happened to live in the bikini.
It's all in the 1950s. So yeah.
Yeah, yeah, don't overthink it. Yeah, yeah.

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So the crew gets chased to shoreby Rodan, and then Godzilla
appears to make things worse. And then?
Start attacking Rodan. Just shows.
Up with his theme blowing and like so and I could be out of
it. It's at this point, Is Godzilla
still just a dude in a suit? Yes.

(34:21):
The way this is. Shot and the way it's framed at
night, you cannot tell that is aguy in a suit.
It does something absurdly well produced, like the production
value on this shit, the like howwell they do their night shots,
how well these costumes are designed.
For me, it's the night shot in particular.

(34:43):
Cause like. The Hollywood era has this thing
where they like everyone goes during the day and it just
doesn't look amazing like cause my background is the Hollywood
era Chin Godzilla and I think I see the original Godzilla and
obviously that was that looks that looks very thick now but
this even now I could I could ifI if I was you know a child I

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could believe there's a giant lizard in Tokyo.
Yeah, like I could. I could believe that.
There's a presence to the like water dripping off Godzilla as
he comes out of the water. He's got, you know, he's got to.
Wait to him like he like he feels massive away.
How you get all that in other shots, yeah.
When and when his. Theme starts.
I had two as he had. One, I was like, this is cool as

(35:26):
this is the coolest thing I've ever heard.
And two, this is some more Joe'stheme from WWEI was like.
I was like. I know this music and then A and
then a Google. And I was like, Oh my God, this
is God. Listen to this W.
W E Like entrance music for sureat this point.
Didn't consider. Wrestle in the doy doy At one
stage. It would not surprise me.

(35:47):
I I do not know shit about the WWE, but if you, if you, if you
like, fished up pictures of thathappening, I would be like,
yeah, that's for sure. That definitely happened.
I mean at 1:00. Point Vince McMahon fought Jesus
for God, so you know. Right, right, right.
And the crew's been chased to shore and he's and Godzilla's in

(36:07):
the water. Godzilla is like, shows up
immediately, starts blasting Rodan like first thing he does.
And so the the crew is like, allright, we got to get out of here
now. Like they're we we're leaving
now. So I have gills.
It's possible Godzilla just doesn't need to breathe.

(36:28):
Yeah, just. Because when he comes out, came
out the water. I I I immediately accept it
because it's like it's the iconic shot.
But I was like, does Godzilla breathe?
The understanding we've come to that many movies have kind of
explained in their own way and come to is that Godzilla does
not eat. Godzilla probably does not
breathe even because like last movie, we learned that this

(36:49):
motherfucker just breaks throughthe crust into the mantle of the
Earth sometimes to travel. Like basically all of his energy
is provided by what is the equivalent of a nuclear reactor
inside his heart. So he is like a biological
reactor, right? But But yeah, so he's he, he, he

(37:10):
he's he's underwater for howeverthe fuck long he don't breathe.
You can't choke him. Yeah, so they're trying to run
away. Godzilla moves in behind them,
but Rodan, like, heads it off again.
Godzilla does manage to fend offRodan as the crew basically
escapes the island and then Godzilla lands like one direct

(37:33):
blast on the Rodan, like launching it away.
And I was like okay well, I guess Rodan's dead.
They. Actually, this flight left at
the sea. Cool for it.
I mean, I turned it. We're 20 minutes at the
smoothie. And do you already seen
Godzilla? Godzilla.
Just leather. Rodan And it's it's it's the

(37:57):
coolest thing I've ever seen. Yeah Okay.
So if Godzilla's a kind to say what is Rodan?
Rodan is definitely in this movie, just a puppet of some
kind. Yeah, I had some.
I had some like Puppet. Yes, it is a prop and it is a
very detailed prop and puppet helooks.
Really good. A lot of the close up shots of
the head look good and whenever Rodin's flying it looks really

(38:18):
good. It was, honestly.
There's certain shots in this movie.
I don't want this more technical.
There's certain shots this moviewhere I can tell that you see a
so yeah and they but but there'sa lot there's a lot more shots
where I don't know if it was done practically if it wasn't,
which is weird because it nowadays the movies.
I know. I mean you're like that's
clearly fake. But like this is there's a craft

(38:40):
of this. There's so little you have to
think. Understand that like unless,
especially because this is 1993,like the CGI is going to be so
obvious. So most of what you're seeing is
dudes in suits and puppets on strings and like building
miniatures. And most the only CGI you're
seeing is like when they have a fancy computer graphic on screen

(39:00):
of like a 3D render of Mecca Godzilla.
Or when there's like atomic breath and stuff.
But this movie looks leagues better than the 98 goods in that
movie. Other than that, like they're
just blowing up pyrotechnics in little models, you know?
I know it's not. It looks so good.
Yeah. Anyway.

(39:21):
But it's it's super wild that like you're sitting here like,
oh wow, Rodin's in this movie. Cool.
And then it it kind of feels like Rodin has been killed off
in like a single fight. He's not.
But you're like, damn this. He was important because I've
seen some of the Hollywood movies.
I would have just assumed that was a dancer, yeah.

(39:44):
So the crew manages to bring theegg home, and no one is more
excited about this than than Kosiva than dinosaurs he gets.
Really. Like he was watching the news
footage and he does a little dance.
He gets really. Like, he's so excited by this
news. Do you think he?
It was just like AT Mini T worksI guess, so we're going to find

(40:05):
out so. Yeah, we're going to get there.
Yeah. He gets in his little Tyrannodon
mobile. It's just a car full of
Tyrannodon merchandise while he's wearing his Tyrannodon like
hat and vest, keep in mind. He's at work.
He's just left. Yeah, he just.
He just he's clearly got changed.

(40:26):
I've left. Where is this man's parents?
Who's. Who's mentoring this man?
He's been at that place for two years and nobody's pulled up
aside when you've got a cool it.Dude got a cool it, so he.
He takes his little tarot mobileis what I wrote down to the
tarandon ag, and he starts taking pictures of it, much to

(40:48):
the chagrin of the researcher later.
There. He yells.
And scares the woman. It's like, what's going on.
And then he jumps in with his camera.
And then he immediately looked at the woman.
See, she's a woman and got that flag immediate.
It's straight away. Yeah, so.
He is taking these pictures and he ends up just trying to touch

(41:12):
everything in the room. He'd like palms, some of the
some of the plant material, and I wasn't sure he'd done that
until later, but he takes it. Wait, what's that?
See, I thought that was a piece of egg.
Is that piece of plant. He took something off the egg.
But I. Thought that the stuff on her
desk was like the plant matter, not the egg, cuz when when when

(41:32):
she gets him to the door he's like, can I have a piece of the
egg And she says no. This might be explained the
movie. I might have missed it.
What hatched me like is that What time?
From the from the egg that was already hatched on the island, I
think the implication is that was Rodan, yeah.
Right, that's. Because Rodan's basically fully
cloned dinosaur, I think the idea is Rodan is probably been

(41:54):
hatched for some time. Yeah, yeah.
So they talk about the fact thatthe egg, like, changes colors
when it's emotional and it it really misses its mother, which
they assume is like Rodin. However, it also seems to
respond positively to Miss Gojo,who's like the research lady

(42:15):
there. So they're like, okay?
Well, you've been imprinted upon.
You're the mother now. This is your responsibility now,
yeah? And so we cut back to Cosima and
and he's sitting next to Mickey in the mess hall and that's like
he's writing stuff down on on the plant like on the packaging

(42:35):
for the plant. And she's like I feel something
from this plant. We got to go right now because I
feel something from this plant right now.
So they head over to the ESP Research Center.
Right? So and.
This is, this is real, Yes. Yeah, this.
Is so. Psychics are Real and Mickey
Segusa has been a major character in every movie so far.

(42:57):
So, Mika. Segusa is a psychic.
This is a She's been since she was like 16 in Godzilla versus
Biolante. She has been the resident
psychic of note, so the head of the.
ESP. And it's filled with kids.
Yeah, all these kids. Are psychic, Yeah.
And we have to. We are and we have to.

(43:17):
That's like three whole movies ago at this point.
But these aren't just. These aren't clearly just not
psychics, because psychic, the psychics in common law can read
minds. These are.
Superheroes, these are straight up presses.
This is they have like freak on mission and shit.
Yeah, yeah, These are, these are.

(43:38):
Gene Grain Professional Xavier, These are.
Mutants. That can just do.
And nobody's scared about this. This is fine, psychic kids.
These are these are. These are scarier than Godzilla.
Yeah. How does how does a how does a a
growing generation of psychics and and and oracles.

(44:01):
Yeah, how does this change like humanity?
And the answer is, we got Godzilla to worry about.
Yeah. Everything else.
Slid by me. The psychics I am, I am, I am
flawed. There's a couple more moments of
this that I am fucking flawed by.
But those psychics? And.
There was they. Could they?

(44:22):
Could destabilize the entire economy so much, Wilder, isn't
it, than you thought it was. Yeah, me and Charlotte are just
like this is normal. The 2014.
Movie. And I thought, Cuzilla's like,
because this is terrifying big monster.
And then I'm watching this and like, these kids could
destabilize the entire economy with a word, Yeah.
Like. That's how scary this is.

(44:43):
These kids could. Could ruin.
You're not busy talking to to Vines.
I've got to get pasta if we're going to keep going, but it's
just. So the.
Children use their powers on theplant to try to read what the
plant like, what's up with it, and they managed to to process

(45:04):
that the plant is playing music somehow and they were able to
then also record that music. We've got Mecca, Godzilla, you
know what I mean? So, like, I'm not questioning
where they're they're, you know,we haven't even.
Technically got to the first We're still like 10 minutes away
from the first appeal to Mecca Godzilla.
Like, yeah, just it's it's just wild shit.

(45:28):
This movie trades all politics and social commentary for just
being as wild as possible. Yeah, so they.
Play the music back for the egg and then the the egg glows and
then hatches, but the egg hatches into another Godzilla.
It is not a rodent egg. I was like.
Oh, how funny would it be? Like Baby Godzilla was just a

(45:50):
normal sized dude and very obviously a guy in like a soup.
And it's actually a pretty a pretty impressive like puppet.
Honestly, is it? Is it?
Is it a puppet, not a soup? I don't think is that.
I don't. Is it?
Maybe it's like a dude because it.
OK, it looks like you've reused model from Did you?

(46:11):
You guys are older than me, but did you ever ask kids, did you
ever watch dinosaurs? Yes.
Oh, yes. That is a model from dinosaurs.
I mean it kind of that's it's. Very similar.
That's the baby from dinosaurs. A lot of that facial,
animatronic stuff, well, no, buthey, we're going to get way
closer to baby next movie. But but no, it's like a really
impressive. I think it is probably a dude in

(46:33):
a suit, but the amount of animatronic work on the head and
face there's definite. Scenes where it's a dude in a
suit and I and this is one of them where I was like when I
thought, oh, wouldn't it be funny if it was just a dude in a
suit or and it was just a normalsized guy, like just like just a
dude, some T Rex jammies. Yeah, yeah, so while.

(46:54):
They're trying to determine whathappened here because it's not
what they expected. They like feed Godzilla some
roses just to see if it'll eat them.
And then they're like, well, I guess this is just like when
birds entrust their eggs to other birds and dinosaurs are
just birds. So that's what happened here.
We think that's normal now. Why I'm pretty sure this is not
actually like Godzilla's kid is because Godzilla biscuits.

(47:20):
Premute, I mean, you know, eventually will be adopted,
right? But like Godzilla premutation
was in the bikini. It's all as a dinosaur, right?
And this is in the Bering Strait.
And they make it pretty clear that both Rodin and this new
baby Godzilla were mutated in the egg by the like, latent

(47:44):
radiation of the island over time.
So they've kind of accidentally created a second unrelated, or
really a third unrelated Godzilla just because there was
another egg that laid dormant for God knows how long they got
nuked. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Anyway, so yeah, so now they have this baby Godzilla.

(48:08):
And as one might expect, Godzilla would like the baby
Godzilla. So Godzilla's on the way now.
So they mobilized the G force, including the new Mecca,
Godzilla, right? Yeah, but dinosaur boy isn't
around. Here's a.
Question that might be that thatdoes good like because.

(48:29):
In The King of the Monsters, like Godzilla like, has human
friends. Weird.
So do you have human friends? In the older movies, I just made
some dudes. Not meaningfully, no.
So that's that's is that a Hollywood era invention?
Kind of. Well, So what it is, is like
there's a brief period in the the like like 70s right, Pretty

(48:51):
much where Godzilla kind of starts getting reinvented as
like a friend to children type character.
I'm scared because. I when I looked up this, this
was like alongside this was a kids TV show and he was afraid.
He was all about being afraid ofchildren.
Slowly becomes through the original movies like less and
less of the antihero like neutral force of nature type

(49:12):
character he was envisioned as and becomes more of just a
straight up like big lizard superhero.
So a lot of that is still culturally front and center in a
lot of Americans minds. Plus the Hanna Barbera cartoon
right that you're you're probably referencing.
But no, Godzilla by and large isnot a heroic figure.

(49:32):
Godzilla is closer to being likea natural disaster.
Godzilla might fight and kill a thing that's a bigger problem
than it, but it's not because it's defending humanity.
It's just because Godzilla's thebiggest motherfucker around and
don't, don't come to his yard, you know?

(49:53):
Because, as Charlotte said, theyjump immediately to Mecca
Godzilla. They're like, off.
They're like, Oh no, we're goingto get Mecca, Godzilla, yeah.
Now. First of all, as I as I think I
mentioned earlier, Mecca Godzilla comes out of the thing
and does basically like switcheson.
And I switch over to another taband I Google when did the

(50:13):
Megazord come out? I think it's heavily inspired by
and because here's the Yeah. It's got to be inspired by it
because this, this. We'll get that later.
There's too many similarities. Well, the the whole like
tokisatsu genre, right, Which includes stuff like Super Sentai
and Common Writer and Ultraman and Godzilla, like so much of it
comes from. So the creator of Ultraman is

(50:36):
also one of the the the key figures behind the creation of
Godzilla. It's a G Superaya so like
because super Senti owes so muchto like Ultraman.
In a funny way this is just super ayas like stylings and
coming full circle. In a lot of ways I.

(50:57):
Just love that they immediately go Mecca Goodzilla.
They don't have a Plan B. No, this is just if this if this
really big bionicle doesn't workwe've done for.
Wait. Don't.
They've tried. Everything else so far, they got
so many movies of trying tanks and jets and they're just like,
don't even try this. Didn't you say the next movie is
about space Godzilla? Well, yeah, that's a whole

(51:18):
different problem. Well, the next movie is just a
Dragon Ball Z plot where they scratched out some names and
wrote Godzilla in it, I mean. Let's, let's, let's be fair
here. This is this is like a low level
Dragon Ball plot. Yeah, I mean, we're increasingly
just becoming live action DragonBall with lizards.

(51:39):
Chuckable hot. Lizards.
Bigger lizards. Wow.
So Dinosaur boy's not around to to pilot like he's supposed to
be because the Mega Godzilla as it exists is supposed to have
like 3 primary pilots and he wassupposed to be the 4th 1:00.
Yeah, that's that's another. Thing for pilots, Yeah, he's

(52:00):
just a backup dude. He sits, he sits in the back in
case I guess somebody needs a bathroom break.
That's. Another That's another cent, I
think for pilots and the shots, the shots about now that are the
insides of a Megazon, it's very less clear, the slightly less
colorful, but that is, that is the Megazon, I think.
It's I think it's clearly a lot of reference a lot of

(52:21):
inspiration from Super Centi, but yeah, trying to make it a
little bit more like, you know, again this is a government force
and everything is Gray and future metallic and you know
military uniforms and shit because.
I don't jump ahead well in the plot.
I've never good so long until collided just about to.
Yeah, Okay. So they have to launch anyway

(52:45):
without him. And then so there's this
character. Like this this English speaking
guy and his name is just Doctor as I love this guy right?
My my favorite. Element of this, of this when I
was, when I checked the Wikipedia page and all of the
English speaking guys didn't have Wikipedia pages who lived
in Japan that they found in a a nearby restaurant and were like

(53:07):
can you come with us for a couple days?
Yeah, but. Doctor Asimov is like the time
has come to put our technology to the final Test and I just
thought that was a funny readingof it.
So they launch and the first thing it does is they go
launching Mega Buster and it like shoots like a rainbow

(53:28):
atomic breath at Godzilla. But I wanted.
Sally and. I was.
Waiting for I again, Mega Godzilla.
I have to assume it's a tuna soup.
There was. You're thinking it's not.
It's clearly not CGI. Yeah, well, but so much it's
confusing, right? Because so much of it is,

(53:49):
especially in the first big fight, is it mostly just hovers
around and does stuff, so it's very stiff.
But later we will see it walkingaround, so it's.
It looks. Robot.
It's so robotic. It looks like a robot.
There's something about this that makes it look like a real
fight happening. I think it's a sense of scale,

(54:10):
like he walks past a Ferris wheel.
And I honestly was like, I really wanted to use it like a
Beyblade. Well, somebody does smack
Godzilla with a with a Ferris wheel.
Last movie, so I want to go back.
Now watching this movies made mego watch these, watch these, hey
say movies for real. Godzilla is, I think, in some of

(54:31):
these sequences it's an empty suit, like being hovered around
by a crane, where it's like levitating around and just
shooting beams. You'll you'll dig the whole
series. But yeah.
Could it be animatronics? But with with some animatronics
for like the mouth and and and movements and stuff.
But like, yeah, there's later scenes where it's walking around
and it's definitely a dude in the suit.
Yeah, because it's this. Little seats where you can

(54:52):
definitely tell that's not what you have to do in the suit,
actually. We've also got to.
Think this is 93, this is post my touchdown five choice and
stuff Star Wars. So they've clearly they've got,
they've got the text for it and the actual suit acting is
incredible. I mean on Mecca Godzilla like
the way that once Mecca Godzillaactually is on the ground and

(55:14):
moving the way it like turns is this very good, very robotic
like it it it seems like something moving with a lot of
hydraulics and a lot of like motors and servos it's it's this
is very good, it's very good. It doesn't move in an overly
fakey way, and it does not move in the way that a biological
creature. A lot cooler.

(55:37):
Than the other ones, than the other mega Godzilla.
So honestly to me. But so yeah, they trade laser
attacks. Godzilla's breath doesn't do
anything because of the diamond coating, so they instead fire
the plasma grenade, which manages to knock Godzilla over.
And with Godzilla on the ground,they're like, all right, time to
launch the paralyzed missiles. And Godzilla does the thing that

(56:00):
it that it loves to do, where itkind of waits for a second and
tries to do like a gotcha moment.
It's done this several times in the 90s.
So waits for a moment and then it's like gotcha.
And then fires its atomic breath.
But it doesn't do anything againbecause of the coating and Mecca
Godzilla fires these like huge Tasers at Godzilla like into its
flesh, but the energy from inside Godzilla like surges back

(56:27):
into Mecca Godzilla and starts frying it.
I think he's doing like the nuclear pulse.
It's just that because it's got the cables tethered, it's like,
let me just send this shit rightup at you.
Godzilla's constantly finding meweird shit he can do with the
nuclear battery inside of him. Yeah, I mean.
I imagine it's just energy triesto find the path police.

(56:47):
Yeah, exactly. So yeah, this this is like.
This is. I mean this where they are
throwing everything they've got.This, like this, is a level of
aggression that I think even cops in America would think is a
bit more. Like they fire.
They've got Rasozilla missiles, multiple jets.

(57:10):
It's. Like and.
It ain't doing shit, is the thing.
Yeah, if that. Just if that's not going to
work, I just yeah, they don't. Have the Oxygen Destroyer, so I
I. I just.
People as. We've discussed it.
We don't even know if he needs to breathe.
Yeah, fair. How did you kill?
This guy. Thankfully, they answered that

(57:31):
question for us soon. Maybe, sort of, they do.
Sort. Of so the engine room is on fire
and Godzilla's eyes are like, glowing red and he gets up, just
shoves Mecca Godzilla over because they can't do anything,
because it's on fire. And the entire control room is
like, ah, we're screwed. And they're like, OK, well, we

(57:53):
need to to do something. We need to make it stand up and
fight. And Doctor Azimov is like, we I
don't even know if that thing's coming home.
Like, I I don't know if we can even get this thing home now.
So Godzilla just keeps walking, walks its way inland.
They they throw what little theyhave at it at this point because
they've invested everything in the Mecca Godzilla, and Godzilla

(58:13):
just blows right past everything.
Everyone evacuates the area and they huddle underground with the
baby Godzilla. Yeah.
In a Cyborg research area. But.
I keep I keep hopping on about this, but I was so expecting
this era schlocky and thick. And it looks so.

(58:35):
That has been one of the biggestthings about doing Castle Bravo
is like we wanted to go in with no expectations of what these
movies were. Watch them in their original,
Not with the hokey dubs, right with the original performances,
the original widescreen, like theatrical releases, all of this
shit and what we have come to learn is like.
There is so much love and effortpoured into the practical

(58:59):
effects of these. These are works of art from a
production standpoint, this movie.
Is particularly plummet wise. Has some issues, but like every
single time Godzilla is on screen doing something, you are
like, that's a giant lizard, man.
Yeah, I'm fully bought in. That's like clearly.

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Over the years, they've perfected.
They craft to a just to take to a point where Hollywood wasn't
up then I honestly still isn't now.
This looks more real me and better to me than anything.
Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, I mean, there's there's
a magic here that's not here in the era of CGI for sure, so.

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Godzilla's like falling across like, yeah, they wants.
To find the baby, they let they.OK, if you're in this.
I know it's a it's a difficult thing to imagine, but please do.
What would you be like? Fuck it.
Here's the baby. Oh, that's fine.
Wipe Kyoto Kyoto off the map because it's gone.

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By end of this it's gone. Yeah, I mean at a certain point.
Well, but here's the problem if you're.
I can understand where, if you're from a standpoint of
Godzilla is one of those destructive things we regularly
face in our lives. The idea of like, let's give him
a baby that he can raise to be another one of him is probably
the single scariest thing you can say.

(01:00:23):
But also it's. Very clear to me, judging by how
many movies there is, that Japan's got put a really good
infrastructure like in place, like they could just they could
just rebuilt in a dime. Well, you know, like.
I I have to assume when I remember they do eventually buy.
Africa, so it's probably. Better than spending this money?
Rebuilding Tokyo than yeah, you have to.
Collect me if I'm wrong, but I assume because the list

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destroyed multiple cities in previous movies for sure, yeah?
Yeah, and I. Have to assume, as you haven't
destroyed Kyoto Kyoto before, not in this.
Timeline I don't think because like.
I have to assume they've got really good at building these
cities. Oh, they've got.
They've got, they've got like entire.
Fucking industries that are justlike Godzilla Recovery,

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interestingly. Unless I missed it, They never
go. Oh, there's this many
casualties. I don't think it's like killed
anybody in. Earlier movies they would
sometimes focus on like the human damage, but I think by
this point, like in this series specifically, they've kind of
moved past it, right? Because it's.
I think they feel like they're retreading.
Yeah, What was any of the? Soul like that, Japan's got so

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good at it. Because he will casually.
So there's one, casually, and that's the guy who thought he
could get an autograph from Gozilla.
They just. Put everyone in the Ava
shelters, you know what I mean? I love this idea.
Yeah, just go in the shelters. Just go in the shelter.
And within about two days, they'll probably just like, fly
us over an entire new city and drop it down.

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Just. Sweep the old one away and put
put buildings down, just airlifted in.
Yeah. Well, that's just.
I mean right? That's just. 3.
So Godzilla can't reach the babybecause the baby's underground
and Godzilla leaves very defeated and sad.

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Like very clearly kind of sad about this doesn't even destroy
a building on its way out. Like there's.
A building right in front of it.It's just.
Like I don't even feel like it. So the G force moves baby
Godzilla into an enclosure to toresearch it.
Basically Cosima's like. Going through the motions in the

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Goruda because it's I think that's also one of his hyper
fixations is that jet, but it's clearly it's.
Clearly a fixation to do about what he does in about 5 minutes,
yeah. So the officials are looking
over the plan to destroy Godzilla's second brain, which
is a thing dinosaurs do have. It's like Godzilla's second

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spinal brain that was discovered.
It seems like it was discovered because they were researching
baby Godzilla. They were like, oh, it's got a
second brain. So this Godzilla probably does
too, Charlotte. Why?
Why was this boy? Where was what?
I mean it looks. Like it's in his ass because
it's so low down the spine, but like.
Yeah. It's hard.

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Because Godzilla is also like, let's be clear, whenever you're
zoomed in that close on Godzillais a very thick boy.
So, like, it's hard sometimes totell exactly where you're
looking at. So Dr. Azimov is in his car and
he's like trying to leave Cosma because he's in charge of the
the parking lot. Now there's this.

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I had never seen one of these inreal life, where you drive your
car until like a rotating thing.I I.
Wanted to ask a few. This is a thing over there
because I've never seen this. Ever seen one?
No, this this doesn't feel. And he holds this man hostage
until he gets. Jump back like this feels like
this feels like a violation of aGeneva Convention.

(01:03:58):
Putting a man on. A slowly rotating turntable.
Surely this? Surely this falls under torture.
You're making a man dizzy for noreason.
But yeah, no he he traps Dr. Azimar in Azimov in his car.
And I had. A plan?
I know how to fight Godzilla. He doesn't.
Because it's after, it will takereally slowly.

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He could just get out, yeah, buthe's.
Old and he don't want. Have you ever?
Met a boomer I. Yeah, Fairpoint.
Fairpoint. But he's like, yeah, I know how
to fight Godzilla. We need to modify Garuda to
combine with Mecca Godzilla to give it more power to use its

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new weapons. Listen.
I've just seen this new show, Paul Super Sentai.
So then we got back to baby Godzilla and it's enclosure and
they didn't give baby Godzilla enough enrichment and it's
enclosure, so it's stealing shoes.
Cosima shows up and it's like, hey, hi Miss Gojo.

(01:05:06):
I see you're taking care of thisbaby.
Would you like to to fly around on my giant Tyrannodon flying
machine that I have built to it?Sounds like to impress you.
I said that this month. Clearly can do anything as long
as he thinks of the lens of a dinosaur.
Case in point, he has invented atiny flying machine that defies

(01:05:27):
the laws of our dynamics. No technology.
Like this before now in these movies.
Yeah, if this guy just. Thought about oh, how would I?
How would I make it so that a terror would never starve?
He'd solve, well, hunger immediately.
We just got to. Convince him that it's it's got
something to do with Tyrannodons.
Yeah, I I. I I.
Also, I really want to pay me Godzilla.
That's the cutest thing I've ever seen.

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It's a lot better than the last thing, that's, yeah.
OK, when was the last time you Gozilla?
I've not seen this. Send a photo.
To you in the discord, and this is what the Baby Godzilla looked
like in like the 60s. OK, that when?
That when Godzilla was last. I had a baby, yes.

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Yes, was actually. Godzilla's kid?
No, it was. Also one that they just found.
All right there. Oh my God.
It's like the Pillsbury. Dome Point did so much cocaine.
I have a feeling. If that thing turns around, it's
going to weak fast like. But anyway.

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It's it's it. That's that's what this fucking
thing looked like back in the 60s.
That's my sleep paralysis demon.But yeah, new baby Godzilla
looks a billion times better. Yeah, he's.
So confused and it's so he reminds me of like a lost little
puppy and I love him so much. So the.
Flying machine crashes, so the psychic children show up because

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they're like, I want to see babyGodzilla and then sing to it.
Is this the 1st time? The psychic children ever show
up. No, no, they've been in other
ones. So they do they.
Do anything well, but in other ones because they usually
they've got, they've got pond, pond usually they draw.
Pictures of Godzilla all together, independently.
And then that's how people know,like, oh, Godzilla is coming

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back because all the all the little kids are drawing pictures
of Godzilla again. So the as if like responding to
this song, Rodan reawakens and its bodies covered in like this
red aura, like it lights on fire.
And I bet it has a really interesting name.
And that's not fire Rodan. There's a way?
Cooler name than that. But Rodan wakes up and flies

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towards Japan. And so the military goes about
discussing, like, what they're going to do about the Second
Brain, and they're going to use Mickey.
They're going to hook her up to something called the G Crusher,
and she's going to use her psychic powers to find the
Second Brain. And they're going to kill
Godzilla that way, I was wondering.
Because it had been ages since I've seen this movie.

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I was like, what the fuck kind of weapon is the G Crusher Going
to be super anticlimactic. It's just the shock anchors
again. It's the thing they already
have, but they but now they knowwhere to aim.
The thing to blow up his his butt.
It's the Goodzilla. Cousha and the G Spot Cousha, if
you think about it. Unfucking likely, but they do
blow his ass up with it, so theydo do that.

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So miss. This is where Miss Gojo goes to
like the commander and is like, can we not, can we not kill
Godzilla? Because like, Godzilla has a
baby? And I don't think it'd be good
for baby Godzilla if Godzilla died.
But the military is like, no, wehave to do this.
Did you see what? He just pointed the key or
anything like, yeah, so. This is because just after this,
as you've said, the gods of the roof and they have this, this

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same conversation and it's what if Goodzilla's the good guy and
I get it, I get that that the literally the the like.
The whole theorem of multiple Godzilla movies is actually
Godzilla's. There's a lot worse things than
Godzilla. Zilla's just walked through
Kyoto and destroyed it. No normal person ever going to
be like, maybe, maybe he's a good guy.

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That's just not going to happen,yeah.
Again, walking natural disaster every time.
He's every time he's he makes landfall.
It's like a volcano erupting or a hurricane touching down, you
know, maybe This is why. Japan doesn't really do natural
disaster movies because they didthem.
Yeah, they they just. Experienced, like, constant fear
over what one bad earthquake or tsunami could do to like

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countless people. So yeah.
So Miki now is also like, I don't you know, I used to think
that killing Godzilla was the right thing to do, but now I'm
not sure. So, like, she and Miss Gojo are
on the same page about this and this is when they're on the roof
and they're like, well. Maybe the dinosaurs time will
come again. You know, maybe we shouldn't be

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killing Godzilla right now. Maybe.
Maybe we. Should die.
It's like that's that's that's aconversation from that's the way
he comes that's a weird conversation to be having on the
roof of dinosaur killer incorporate yeah.
Fair. So while preparing for the

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attack on Godzilla, Rodan does finally reach Japan.
And that's also when they determined that Baby Godzilla's
eyes are flashing red as like anSOS signal for Rodan, because
Rodan is also kind of its parent.
And so they are trying to move Miss Kojo and Baby Godzilla away
from the area in like a flying like a helicopter in a in a

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container held by a helicopter that gets knocked out of the sky
by Rodan, who then carries them off in the container Mecca
Godzilla. Is finally ready for liftoff?
As Goruda also launches Kazuma'sin Goruda, this time he's like
Goruda is like useless without me.
So obviously I need to be piloting Goruda.

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So he he launches and Rodan lands and tries to open the
container with Baby Godzilla in it, and to try to stop this from
happening. Mecca Godzilla and Goruda attack
Rodan at the same time. After Rodan uses its fire breath
on them. Rodan manages to to ground

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Goruda before getting hit with it with a plasma grenade, and it
seems like Mecca Godzilla is about to move in for the kill.
But Rodan does like the one thing I guess the G Force never
expected them to to do, which isto Peck its eyes out.
Yeah, the this Mecca Godzilla, much like the original Mecca
Godzilla in the 70s, is basically a walking like turret.

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And if you get up on it, it justcan't do shit, yeah.
Like it is weak. The Melee like, yeah.
Which is, do you think that's why the trend?
I mean martial arts in case there's a walk megazilla.
Well, you know what? Them doing karate on Godzilla's
toes is probably more effective than Mecca Godzilla throwing a
punch. So.
While everyone's fighting, the GForce works on trying to get

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Baby Godzilla and Miss Kojo out of the container.
Mecca Godzilla and Godzilla beamstruggle, basically, and the
explosion from that knocks Godzilla over but shorts out
what's left functional of Mecca,Godzilla's body.
Mecca Godzilla is like overheating and is losing very
badly to Godzilla now. The Mecca Godzilla crew like

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cries out for Cosmo to to to show up, and he manages to
finally relaunch the Garruda just in time and like, shoots
Godzilla to get it away from them.
And this is where they combine to form Super Mecca Godzilla,
where Garruda basically becomes like a battery pack of cannons.
It's a jet. Pack and shoulder cannons now.
So like I say, I can. Like I was making notes at the

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time movie and I completely faced out.
To a solid 5 minutes, like during that fight and just in
all of it. But I love that.
I love that. I love the cut to the guy, to
the guys in the boardroom watching the video of the fight.
See, I like. The cut to them primarily
because Dr. Azimov sits there and like does like a little the
tiniest fist pumping transform. It's just.

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It's just a lovely little old man going, yeah.
So combined, they're able to actually like hurt Godzilla with
their lasers and everything. And so they activate the G
Crusher for Mickey. And she's very hesitant to use
it because, again, she does not want to kill Godzilla.

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But she manages to find the second Brain, and they launch
the Tasers into it and the finalshot of the G Crusher is fired
and Godzilla becomes completely paralyzed from the waist down,
which is really intense. Like even just seeing it cuz you
like it's struggling to move andyou see it like.
Cobble over and it's very like, oh, we've not seen Godzilla

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behave like this before. We've never seen like this kind
of helplessness in the in the, hey Say era, At least so.
Right. So Cosima's like, great, we got
him. I'm leaving now and he gets in.
His Tyranidon flyer just leaves Goruda.

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He's like, no, no, I'm sure. You'll stay down.
Yeah, no, it's fine. Mecca Godzilla does like a full
volley of everything and has left at Godzilla.
Meanwhile, Baby Like emerges from the container and it it its
eyes glow red to reawaken Rodan again.
And Rodan, just like taking shots from Mecca Godzilla along

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the way. Just like falls on the Godzilla
and basically does like a Phoenix thing and like uses its
powers to resurrect Godzilla with its energy.
So. This is clearly supposed to
mirror how robots merge, right? I I.
I think so. I think it's kind of funny now.
I think it it might be, I don't know from like a production

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standpoint which idea came first.
But like the robot, Godzilla gets defeated and then gets more
powerful. When a robot bird lands on its
back it it. Feels like this is supposed to
be a direct. I think it is.
Because it's it's pretty on point.
It it it. I mean, it works.
Like I was just saying it makes sense.

(01:15:28):
Nothing about these movies makessense.
But like it in in in universe I I get it.
But like so it falls to him, heals him, it doesn't merge into
him. And I assume Godzilla stands
when the second he stands up it falls off and it's just a cop's.
Yeah, it's. Just dead bird.
Because what Dad's? Because what?
Dad's dead. Dead Like what, Dad?
What Dad is walking cooked by these, by by these.

(01:15:52):
Like don't by Beckman Zilla. The amount of power that
Godzilla has right no one did Japan.
Managed to buy Africa. If not, it could have just taken
over Africa. But, but yeah, like Rodin, you
know, I I guess combination of like the native radiation that
Rodin had absorbed, you know, through however many years of

(01:16:13):
its life it was alive. Plus it clearly kind of, despite
getting its ass whooped by Godzilla.
Like I think the implication is that Rodin was powered up by
exposure to. Godzilla's radiation.
Hence why it. Got a Godzilla style breath
weapon? Like somehow I don't want.
It by the way, because this is because the whole thing listen

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to no thought. It's healing.
So my thing is perhaps. Perhaps like?
The healing factor? Well, I think so.
Healing. Godzilla has like an absurd
regeneration and it's it becomeslike you even see when like
Rodin like. Passes and imparts.
All of it's like built up radioactive energy into

(01:16:55):
Godzilla. It's kind of like it kickstarts
the car again and you literally watch the second brain like
regenerate itself back into being from nothing.
You see it? Yeah.
When they? When?
They like when Godzilla gets up,you see it like starts like
power up again. So to me.

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That does heavily imply that it's something to do with, you
know, because when it goes, it'staken down, it's blasted with
like every weapon under the sun.It clearly takes a lot to kill
this thing. I'm assuming that one of those
beams was to stop the healing. You know, well I think that's
the idea is that like damaging the brain put see.
And this thing is I think they think they've killed Godzilla.

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And I think. Especially given some of what we
will learn in future movies about Godzilla.
But like there's enough there now for you to pick this up that
Godzilla is not dead. He's paralyzed, and you could
keep wailing away at him until there's almost nothing left.
But if Mecca Godzilla was to leave right now, I think
Godzilla would eventually regenerate that brain.

(01:18:02):
I went I. I kind of got that, but I also
went as like Godzilla's Commodores, Commodores and I
think, I don't think when would we channel it, but I think.
You have to destroy the man wentto kill this guy.
I think it definitely would. But like again, they're not
going to let it be like Mecca. Godzilla is going to keep just
unloading on him until there's nothing left, because they don't

(01:18:24):
their part. Is just they see a cop.
So they're like fucking, they'relike we're.
Not taking a fucking chance, which is the correct?
Attitude. When it comes to Godzilla, it's
the correct. Response when it comes to a
giant, yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, me he watches the the brain regenerate from the G
crusher and like the the I guessthe radiant energy from

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everything going on like backfires into the G crusher and
shocks her so she has take it off.
So Godzilla stands back up and like covered in some of Rodin's
like red energy, and then startsfiring like red atomic breaths
that actually set things on firenow, whereas before Supercharged
there's like. A spiral effect to the beam.
Now it's it's ridiculous. Yeah.

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And it's firing at Super Mecca Godzilla, which can't really do
anything about the fact that Godzilla is this strong now and
it gets completely destroyed. Just totally so like we.
Have the special alloy and diamond coating designed to
absorb and reflect Godzilla's beam and they're like.
You know it, and it works like we see that it works repeatedly
to just absorb the energy so that it can be redirected

(01:19:32):
through the the chest laser, theplasma grenade.
But then God's only gets the power up and it's just like, oh,
but we can't do nothing about that.
And it just gets. Just gets fucking.
Blown. To pieces.
And it cuts back to the control room and they're once again
shocked because it's like, well,the computer's.

(01:19:52):
Like, well, crew are dead and they're like, no, we're not.
Yeah, no, they just leave. They're just like fuck.
This. We're off the clock now, yeah.
So. The G force decides that they
just need to leave baby Godzillain a field.
Just give the baby back to Godzilla, people say.

(01:20:14):
This is just a lot of trouble ifwe just gave Godzilla the baby,
yeah. Is this?
So this is like the field in thebeach, isn't it?
I just love because in this exact moment, they cut to a shot
of Godzilla next to Baby Godzilla.
I'm like, oh, that is just a dude.
That's just a dude in a suit. Because they bought.
Into the suit I my player was like.

(01:20:35):
Is that an actual child in like this Halloween costume?
Do you think like that's that's that's an actual kid?
Now they did use they did use a a dwarf actor back in this the
60s for the the horrible Pillsbury Dough Boy, Baby
Godzilla. Yeah.
I mean, so, you know, maybe theydid that again.
I don't know. I actually didn't see keep going

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because I'm, I'm going to look this up.
Yeah. Yeah.
So baby Godzilla, of course, doesn't want to go because it.
To it, you know it's Mom is MissGojo or Godzilla.
As you should be There, there's.That too.
I mean, it's it's never actuallybeen around Godzilla, not
really. But Gojo asks Mickey if she'll

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play the music that they got earlier for for baby Godzilla to
understand that it's time to go.Yeah, so she does that and the
Godzilla's come to an understanding and they go out
into the water and. One of them says, like, after
all this, I think the winner is life.
And so everyone's like, I wonderif the Godzillas really, or the

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dinosaurs rather really, will come back after humans are gone.
And then the Godzillas March into the ocean.
As the credits roll, Tada I. I I love how this this no
resolution to the destruction ofChaotic.
There's not really a resolution to this movie.
It's just they're gonna have to rebuild between movies again,
because what can they fucking do, you know?

(01:22:01):
These next. Two weeks are going to be
exactly this is so like, there'sno way around like how I feel
about this movie other than to say.
There's there's been this anxiety right, that I've
mentioned on the last several episodes of the the Hey Say era
has been so good that we're going to hit a point where a

(01:22:23):
movie is not that good and it's going to hurt or where a movie
is bad and it's going to hurt. And this is almost the most
interesting way this could have gone from a certain perspective.
Because I think that as a blockbuster, right, as a big
flashy, special effects filled action movie, this is a really

(01:22:45):
good movie from a perspective oflike following up the the themes
and intentionality of a lot of the, you know, the, hey say
movies up to now. This is a movie almost without
real messaging behind it. It is the purest action movie

(01:23:06):
we've gotten out of this lot. And it's a good one.
It's, it's, it's it's a very good one.
But you know it. It's kind of sad to see, you
know, a lot of the because like Godzilla versus Biolante has a
lot of shit to say about like kind of soft economic warfare

(01:23:30):
between countries, right? And about like the emerging like
biotech industry and and geneticediting of like agriculture, you
know? And Godzilla versus King
Ghidorah has a lot of really complicated things to say about,
like the relationship between Japan and the rest of the world
and about nationalism, you know,then Godzilla versus Mothra is

(01:23:52):
it's it's very heavy-handed withit, but it's a very
straightforward environmental message that does not pull its
punches. And then this is.
Just an action movie, you know? Yeah.
Actually I think it's really good like but as if you want
commentary or if you want if youwant a plot that is anything

(01:24:12):
more than service level, you're not going to find it.
There's, there's not the same like.
There's obviously a little bit of of.
Kind of lip service paid to the idea of like, is it a good idea
to kill Godzilla? You know, primarily through
Mickey Segusa, right? Of like Godzilla is a part of
this Earth one way or another, the baby is a part of this Earth

(01:24:33):
one way or another. Like they should be together.
Like this is the correct and natural order of things and
human interference. And this is probably bad, but
like that is so lip service level, you know you could type
all. Of that, and it would change
nothing about the plot, about you know any, almost any
individual scene. So you know what?

(01:24:57):
What? I get is like you could diss
also the robots like it's the I don't think see I don't think
you call it robots but every like they don't even resolve
that like he's playing with likemobile.
That's one point throughout the movie.
And he's clearly got a thing forthe Doctor and movie just ends
with him extolling the possibility that maybe we should

(01:25:21):
die. And that's how it ends.
And it's like, you could have caught the woman stuff, could
it? Yeah.
And I mean, like, you know, yeah, there's like, there's not
really any character arc for anypeople in the movie, which, you
know, usually Godzilla movies are is going to sound so funny
to say, like for you, Ryan. But people who've been listening
to Castle Bravo know, like a lotof these movies thrive on their

(01:25:43):
human stories. Oh no.
I get that. Like even like I I don't, I
don't like the human stories in the Hollywood.
Well, yeah, none of the Americanmovies have good human stories
to them. But yeah, but if.
But I know for a fact that you can't.
It's just the same. As any actual movie, you can't
fly from pure. Explosion well like you have to
have even in even in movies likeeven in like these like the

(01:26:08):
older Fast and Furious is they're all like oh we have
we're going to focus on like this is do all explosions but
these also need to have like. And again, this is where a lot
of the Japanese Godzilla movies really thrive is they tend to
have very charismatic casts of characters who often times,
especially in all of the older ones, like represent things

(01:26:29):
right more than they represent like individual humans.
A lot of really interesting shitthere.
But like, you know, yeah, this is, this is the most like we put
all of our money into making thebiggest bang we could.
And I'm kind of glad this doesn't end up being the last,
Hey Say movie, because the actual final movie does so much

(01:26:51):
better at being this big of a blockbuster while also being a
like, story about people, you know?
But yeah, this is, this is, thisis fun to watch.
But in the grand scheme of like the arc of the hey, say era, to
me this is, this is better than a bad movie.

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But you know, I'm, I'm a little disappointed to see, like y'all
didn't really even try to put inany kind of, like, you know, old
Pope scifi. Let's let's make a message at
the end of the movie. It's like this is like.
A solid this is a great three orfive, yeah.
Yeah, this. This this, it does what I

(01:27:34):
expect. It is what I as a as a newcomer
expect from this type of where it will floor you, as you
repeatedly said you were right, is just like the sheer quality
of like filmmaking of special effects work of of the you know,
of the production they they. Pull They pulled the entire
Godzilla state into these special effects.
You're the fuck. Dead.

(01:27:56):
Like holy. Some of these, some of these
shots. Oh.
Insanely just just. Just like.
I'm like, this is, this was night night, so this was night,
night, night. Nobody does night sequences like
the, hey Say Godzilla movies. I mean, I just think they look
so fucking good. You know?

(01:28:17):
Here's the thing. I'm ultimately willing to put a
lot of this on the writer, writeWatari Mimura.
This is his first movie credit that I could find.
And you know it. He put together something that
was workmanlike, right? It it worked.
It just wasn't anything special.I do think future movies that he

(01:28:38):
works on or better, you know. So when I say that he goes on to
write several Millennium era movies like Charlotte, that's
not a threat, I promise you. But yeah.
So of course, you know, this, this being the blockbuster it
was, this bitch did also make some motherfucking money.

(01:29:03):
You know this I think coming offof the coattails of Godzilla
versus Mothra, you know, people were excited for the series of
movies. Again, bringing back Mecca.
Godzilla was clearly a good call.
Like this. This one made some some
motherfucking money and and that, plus the fact that Sony's

(01:29:26):
Godzilla movie was clearly having production problems.
They were like, what if we just pump out like one or two more of
these? Which I think ends up being the
correct call, even if there is adeep pit in the bottom of my
stomach for. What Godzilla versus space
Godzilla is going to be Like because.

(01:29:46):
I mentioned that a couple times and it's a little scary, you
know, we'll find out, but I don't.
I don't have high hopes. But maybe as with many of these
movies, right, I've I've been like, these are hokey.
And then we watch the original Japanese versions with the
original performances, with the original scripts, you know, and
proper translations, and they end up being much better films

(01:30:09):
for it. So let's all we'll see what
happens. I do have two really good.
Now, Ryan, you're not familiar with this bit, but many of these
Godzilla movies have truly ridiculous titles in other
countries. Every single Godzilla movie had

(01:30:29):
a reference to Frankenstein in Germany for like 15 years.
I mean, I. Guess I guess I get.
I get it. It was.
So it was like, Frank, you know what it would be like
Frankenstein versus the Devil Monsters, right?
And it would be like Godzilla versus Geigen or something like
that, right? It would be.
It was so, so ridiculous. They we've lost the Frankenstein

(01:30:53):
naming, but some of these names are still very good, so.
Coming from Russia in In yet another example of Russia you
didn't even try See me after class legend of the dinosaur 2.
That's. Legend of the dinosaur 2O.

(01:31:13):
K Check OK, if you might have this, what was Godzilla versus
Mecca? Godzilla 1 called in Usha.
That's a good question I can find out right now, because it
wasn't. Legend of the dinosaur?
No, I think that Godzilla, if I remember correctly, Godzilla
versus Moth or the previous hey say movie was Legend of the
Dinosaur in how did. No, but how did nobody go for

(01:31:33):
the Godzilla? Well done and baby.
Make three. That's good.
I don't know. I don't see a Russian title for
the original, although at the time I mean again, this is the
the 1970s that the first one hit, so not too much a surprise.

(01:31:55):
Now I do want to give this is a ridiculous title and in India
this was called Jurassic City which is.
That's. That's a ripping name if there
was any semblance of a Jurassic City in this movie.
But it's a great fucking and I do appreciate it.

(01:32:16):
They don't they. Don't fight in the city like
they fight once in the city. When did Jurasic Park One
release? Is it 90?
That was 90. Three, I think it was.
So it could be literally just anattempt to June.
June 93 Let me check with Godzilla when Godzilla came out,
because I think this is I think this is them directly trying.

(01:32:38):
To. Get the.
December of 93, so yes, this. Was definitely what happened.
Yeah, so it's weird cuz. Cuz like the one the one name
that the Jurassic Park movies haven't touched upon yet is
trusted. He's coming next and then India
is going to be like, Nope, you got to change it over here.
We already got one. Yeah.

(01:33:00):
Do we go, we go. Jurassic Park, Jurasic City.
It's getting small. Well, you know that's that's,
you know when you're when you'reexpanded like Sequel, trilogy
just gets too big and you've gotto scale it down for the
successful prestige reboot. You know, eight years later.
Yeah, Jurassic City is perfect for that.

(01:33:20):
Jurassic Jurassic St. So a couple couple little little
minor points. Of note is this is basically the
the first appearance of the patented and long running what I
call the Godzilla sacrifice. Power up where somebody dies to

(01:33:42):
power up Godzilla. See I.
Noticed this because that's somebody coming from the
Hollywood era. The exact same thing happens in
King of the Monsters, except theperson.
The person that that that dies. Part of his fucking kid and
Mothra. But but like this, this happens
several times afterwards. This is this is like where it

(01:34:02):
happens though for the first time, and it will prove to have
disastrous results that we'll betalking about in a couple of
episodes. Also, I'm going to point out
like reimagining Mecca Godzilla as a human weapon because the
original one in the 70s was fromaliens.
This proved really popular. Like Mecca Godzilla has never

(01:34:26):
been an alien creation outside of its original version.
Mecca Godzilla has been brought back.
There's there's what, 4 incarnations of Mecca Godzilla
at this point? Yeah, he's in Godzilla versus
Kong. But the yeah, all, all three of

(01:34:47):
the like, later versions have all been human created.
And to be fair, like, I get it. Like, unless you're bringing in
aliens, which is a harder pill to swallow by modern American
blockbuster logic. To which I say fuck off, because
alien invasion movies are great.Like did you not?

(01:35:12):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean? Like and and most of the 70s,
but but yeah it's it's this is the first time that happens and
I think that becomes honestly more iconic this this is almost
a more iconic like point for Mecca Godzilla than the 70s ones
are in terms of like cultural memory.

(01:35:34):
But yeah, that's that's our lastlittle trivia bits.
Here's my final questions I've got for y'all.
Because we know this is not a movie that has a lot to say, but
what about this movie is probably going to stick with you
the most, you think? Just a couple and talk to

(01:35:57):
someone. Dinosaur man's the best.
I like. He's he's sticking with me not
because like, I think he's the amazing character.
I love it. I I I was texting Charlotte when
I was watching the movie. Where is it?
I said. This guy shares a lot of screen
time with our favorite scrimble Miki Sagusa, and the energy they

(01:36:19):
collectively give off is who gave them responsibility.
And then I said, actually, no. No.
Well, stick me then, I said. Nikki hasn't figured out, but
reads like she needs a chaperone.
Aoki, the you know, the protagonist, reads like a
chaperone but actually should not be allowed on field trips.
Collectively they are Scooby dooing shit, and I stand by

(01:36:41):
every word of that. So one last thing I want to hit
you both with before we sign offis Baby Godzilla is going to
stick around for these last two hey say era movies.
And he's going to, does he? Grow.
Does he grow up and he's going to change drastically?

(01:37:03):
Okay. Do you have a full of what
you'll see? Yep.
For me. Like automatically.
Like this movie is clearly trying to say something about
politics. Doing.
So what's interesting is it doesn't yet, but the
introduction of Godzilla Junior does like really heavily alter
the course of Godzilla for the the last two movies.

(01:37:26):
So it it makes more of a difference in the in the last
two than it does to this one. So this is, this is little
Godzilla in the next movie, In the next two.
Next, they turned him into a better well.
No, he's much bigger. Do you know what he?
Looks like he looks like. The the the fun.
The menace. Specific baby the the the Yoda

(01:37:49):
fun. The menace.
But it looks like the Yoda fun. The menace.
Like, they've not quite got it yet, but but, like, they're
trying well, and like, here's the thing, they're clearly
trying to get something that is much closer to mania from the
earlier movies, right? But something that looks less
cursed, right? This is actually cute.

(01:38:11):
Yeah, they're. Also doing it so that they can.
So 100% they were like, we're going to merchandise the fuck
out of this little dude because.I buy one immediately.
Great. I'm Googling.
I'm trying to see if there's oneavailable right now, and then
there's not a ton of good pictures, which is weird that

(01:38:31):
I'm finding. Which is weird because he's a
huge part of the final movie, But Godzilla?
Godzilla's Godzilla Junior in the final movie of the era is
just a slimmer Godzilla. This is a basically grown up,

(01:38:52):
like slimmed down that you you will notice that the it's not as
easy to tell from this fucking mugshot, but like he's got much
slimmer like legs and a tail. Like he's just not as big as
Godzilla, but he's basically, you know, fully formed out of
the cute phase. Love Godzilla Junior.
So fun stuff ahead Ryan. You should definitely watch

(01:39:14):
through all of the hey say era movies.
They're. I'm.
Absolutely. Once I'm done, once I'm done
with this, maybe never. So yeah, because.
Yeah, once I'm done with that, I'm definitely going to go back
and give the rest of my goal because I am impressed by how

(01:39:34):
this holds up. Charlotte, I'm gonna toss over
to you as far as what you think will stick with you the most out
of this movie. Mega Godzilla is fucking great,
isn't it? It's just cool.
Like, it's curvy, it's smooth, it's my it's like this is the
90s and idea of the future and Ilove it.
I. Had thoughts about its hips that

(01:39:55):
I'm not going to share, but likesomeone, someone don't be horny
on me, someone built that intentionally.
Will. It be fair, Godzilla got them
hips and thighs too in the in the Heysay era.
They're just trying to copy. But like, God I love especially
that shot when Godzilla is getting back up and and you see
Mecca Godzilla like turn around and 1st the head swivels and

(01:40:18):
then the torso swivels and then the leg swivel with it is such a
like like that's fucking suit acting right there.
Yeah, I'm sad that Rodan got done kind of dirty, but like.
That's going to be the future ofthis movie.
Kind of like because of the, heysay era.

(01:40:39):
We kind of established the idea that like Godzilla, Mothra, King
Ghidorah, Mecca, Godzilla, Rodanare the five like recurring
things you will see. So you know they're all in the
original Shoah era, they're all in the hey say era.
They're all in the, like, Millennium era of films,
although Rodan nearly misses out.

(01:41:02):
But I mean, again, Rodin's kind of always put on a bit of a
lower tier from here out than the others are.
And of course every one of them makes appearances in the, you
know, the the Warner Brothers you know, monster verse movies
that are that are out right now.But but yeah, Rodin's always
been a favorite of mine, but he just gets less and less relevant
as time goes on. And that's OKI.

(01:41:23):
I I accept it. I'm a hipster.
So. Do we have any?
Other final thoughts on this movie, Yeah.
Yeah, Well then, folks. That is a wrap on this episode.
Thank you all so much for joining us on our journey so
far. Ryan, where can people find you?
And do you have anything you feel like plugging for our

(01:41:44):
listeners? So you can find me at ESB Games
and. Everything.
On. The site formerly known as
Twitter I. Guess, yeah, but it's ESB, Games
and again, that site. Could fall apart at any minute,
so who fucking knows? Any minute.
Any fucking minute. Otherwise, you can probably find

(01:42:05):
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for the next month. I'm also everywhere else on the
Internet. Times I'll show up on Derek's
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(01:42:52):
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