January 11, 2023 • 40 mins
In part one of this two-part episode, Cate and Erik sit down to talk about some of the more difficult and stigmatized issues that face ADHDers, in particular, hygiene. Showering, teeth brushing, cleaning our kitchens- all of those are tasks that require executive function (and, in Cate's case, working anti-depressants) to happen, which is NOT happening for us this week. Also Cate makes Infinite Quest history by being the first person to say "stinky butthole" on the podcast.
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Take take, take, take, take, take, take take.
Hey, Eric, come to 2023. Holy shit.
Yeah, this is the first one to turn.
Yeah, official podcast of 2023. Welcome everybody to 2023.
What's it like to be in an odd-numbered year?
It's so far it's pretty good. I was my birthday yesterday.
It was your birthday yesterday as remember that.
(00:27):
We had a birthday party, it was really nice.
Just great fun. We played Pai.
Putt-Putt golf we did. And we did have to do math.
Oh yeah, it was amazing. That was the best Putt-Putt golf
experience I've ever had in my lifetime.
Like without question. Yeah, this is episode is
sponsored by put check and put acheck in Atlanta.
This is place in Atlanta. It's called Pet Shack.
And you go and is kind of a painin the ass when you first walk
(00:48):
in because you have to like, putin your like information that's
annoying. She's an amount of like a weird
amount of information. Um but then you go upstairs to
go to like the mini golf and they give you like a ball that
has like an RFID Card. Heh.
And so when you play it, just tracks everything for you.
So it tracks like how many timesyou hit the ball and like you
get like pulling incident like knows where the ball hits.
(01:09):
It's very it's like smart Puck that's like smart it tracks.
I guess there's got to be an accelerometer or something in
the ball to detect like getting it because there was one time
when Chris picked his up and like moved it and it counted as
a stroke and now you're getting away with something.
It was amazing. It was like in each of the
things was like a different likegame, you know.
So there was like one that was like pinball where you like hey
(01:30):
It up a thing and then you get more of it knows where the ball
is all the time. And so like if you hit it over
like a certain little spot, likelittle green lit spot, then you
got bonus points, it was awesome.
And you don't have to do any like masks were keeping right
here. It's like bowling.
It just, there's just screens that just like, display your
points and how much you pay and stuff was sweet.
And can decrease, his partner, got on the leaderboard for the
(01:52):
entire day. Yeah, they had like a nine all
day. I think it was five when we left
and we even got some guy, some guy beat her right before we But
what are you gonna do? It's fine.
We can be absolutely crushed it.Think crushed it.
Those are great for this video. He's good.
Well I hope I had a great time when it's good.
It's good. I hope you did too.
Is it was also a birthday comingat the.
I feel like the tail end of likea big.
(02:15):
I love you. But like depression spiral for
me at least not been a great fewweeks.
Yeah, I'm not doing great. I'm not gonna lie and also.
Hi everybody. Welcome back today.
I forgot to say that I was looking for like a segue.
Then I just realized I was gonnahave to shoot it in.
Yeah. Normally I start with hi Katie
but you beat me to it because itwas I was fussing about, it's
okay around. This was weird.
(02:35):
We're making some dope Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Jokes our but yeah, I've not been doing great.
I'm in the middle just because dear listener.
I feel like this is the type of stuff.
Do you should know about in hereabout?
We should normalize talking about but I'm in the middle of
switching antidepressants and itis not going well, I'm very
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talented, it's not going great. I'm in that like weird
transitory period. We're like, Old antidepressants
are like out of my system but mynew antidepressants haven't
really kicked in and I'm pretty sure.
Also the dosage is like way too low, so like I'm not doing
amazing. Yeah, the presents are weird
because like the time frames areall very long, you know, it's
not like you take it and then itfeels away and you like, judge
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is this right for me? Can I do this?
It's like you have to just like a month.
Yeah, something to even to change.
So like, you have to feel like shit for like weeks before.
It's like and then they're like,okay, well, do you actually feel
like shit or you just like Transit orally feeling like
shit? Said, right?
So it's not maybe the best time I've ever had but I'm yeah, I'm
getting by but today's episode is brought to you by the letter
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d for depression and also dumb stupid amounts of dumb stupid
garbage. All over my dumb stupid floor.
Yeah. And my body.
I feel like I dirty dirty body. Yeah.
I feel like when I get depressedmy hygiene is the first thing to
go out the window. Yeah.
So today, we're going to talk about High She and ADHD around
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and hygiene episode sounds. But it's weird because for years
is one of her most popular episodes to we still get emails
about the first hygiene episode.So, um, also we are, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I was gonna say bury the lead but I'm
going to reveal the lead early. Is this is going to be a two
parter gonna be a two-parter series.
Oh, so come back on Thursday because we're going to is we're
(04:23):
going to bring it back around. What we are on that later we're
going to talk about sex in hygiene and how Intimacy and sex
can be affected by sensory issues that are often affected
by things like hygiene and clutter.
And I'm really excited because one, we have no sex episode in a
hot minute. Yeah.
But also to because I think it'sa really interesting topic that
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not a lot of people talk about because nobody wants to talk
about dirty butt holes podcast. But you know what?
I'm going to take that one for the team.
It's fine. I had a breakthrough with my
therapist about that the other week, which I will not start
talking about now because once I, For Thursday before Thursday,
for Thursday, it's okay, but come back because we're going to
talk about sensory issues and intimacy and I'm really excited
(05:08):
for that episode. But anyway, let's talk about
the. We got to we got to lay the
foundation before we talk Pie inthe Sky.
No. Sorry, rings and coffee cups.
And yeah, well I think so, for one with with high just hygiene,
I want to sort of clarify. I think what we mean by that
because hygiene, we mean like the obvious.
I like, you know, bodily hygienelike brushing your teeth and
shit. But then also like, Cleanliness
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of areas but not necessarily like clutter because I think
there's a difference between like clutter and like dirty, ya
know, cuz like clutter can lead to dirt, but dirt doesn't
necessarily lead to clutter. Yeah, you know what I mean?
They're like, it's like an SAT problem.
Yeah. Like my, for example, like my
bathroom at my apartment I thinkis like, it's not very cluttered
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wasn't very clean like because Iwas just forget to clean because
it's not cluttered and clutters the things I really worry about.
Yeah. And so, if it's like not
cluttered, I'm like, yeah, that's great.
And then, every once in a while,Oh, actually need to like clean
this, you know, so we also when we started, I want hygiene.
Well, we also mean like the hygiene of like an area.
For example, before this podcast.
We had to clear off a bunch of moldy coffee cups.
(06:14):
Off of my desk just been sittingthere and that of an odor.
Yeah, I didn't notice the smell of but then you walked into my
office and you're like, whoa andI was like, oh yeah, I guess,
that's true. Yeah, and I want to point out,
we didn't get very sidetracked. I was kind of premise.
We needed to get a trash can in trash bags.
For the thing. And then I was like, ooh, it's
still smells bad in here. Let's get a candle and then I
found a candle, but I didn't have a lighter so that I had to
(06:36):
find a lighter for the candle toget rid of the smell from the
coffee cups, that you were putting in the trash can that we
found. And then I took it outside, and
I was like, ooh, tomorrow's trash day.
I should take the trash out to the curb while I'm doing this.
And I was like, wait a minute. We had to record a podcast.
You take their garbage cans to the curb.
I didn't I just put through Christ and in the garage every
day that we got, it will do that.
But anyway, yeah. So dirt is not clutter clutter
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is not dirt, but they are deeplyand intrinsically related.
Are you guys an interesting thing that is happening right
now in our lives is that we are eighty HD / Chef English artist
doesn't work for chuffing, our kitchen, we're making the
kitchen more ADHD friendly and just like streamlined.
And since Eric has a lot of experience in professional
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kitchens, we're kind of going that way.
Like, we're setting it up, like they're like, a lot of it is
just sort of based in that sort of like, professional kitchen.
However, right now, everything Ihave ever owned is out Out on
like the counters and on the floor in like piles.
Yeah. And I do this thing and it's and
I've I need to go to therapy about it but I do this thing
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where I'm convinced that if I spend enough money, my problems
will be solved. You may have noticed this,
right? I'm gonna go full comrade on
this one that is capitalism has trained, you deliberately to be
that way. So, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get
too down on yourself, but it's like, so, but we put a peg
boards. Like that was the big thing is
we put a peg board. Said, I was really excited three
of them and that is I went on Amazon and I bought, In
(08:05):
absolutely Capri. I didn't understand how much I
was buying. Like I was like, oh this is a
reasonable amount of stuff to buy for a pegboard but then also
I found out because again clutter is a problem.
Eric already had a bunch of paperwork stuff.
So we have like six boxes. We have like board stuff.
Yeah, that is just like now, I don't know what to do with, and
(08:26):
it's become like its own problem, and its own set of
boxes, and its own set of clutter on the floor.
But like, as I'm trying to like,live in my kitchen and and do
things like the dishes is extremely hard because now
there's like also bullshit everywhere that we aren't
finished like doing because we're also having to like do our
jobs in like our lives around the kitchen and it's become this
(08:48):
just like weird issue of like everything is dirty and
disgusting and it's cluttered and I'm very stressed.
But I'm so stressed that I don'twant to go into my kitchen to do
it. So yeah, that's where I'm at and
I think that like I am a massivefucking fan of Peg boards and I
think what's great about them isone their vertical invisible,
(09:08):
which is my whole thing. I never liked say, that's my
whole thing and like my own life.
I say it all the time but I don't like make content my
project. Let me work on it with that.
But yeah, the two v's baby vertical invisible, but they're
also extremely modular. So it's not You're building
something that just is what it is.
Now, like, at any time, you can just sort of rearrange it and if
you get new shed you can like change up how it goes.
(09:29):
Yeah, that's really nice. That being said it is still kind
of hard to figure out how to like, put one together.
So right now, we're we're basic,we're sort of getting rid of
redundancies I'd say yeah, kitchen.
Where there's like, oh you have like four of these but what
buddy Boppity. Boop, bee flew, we only use this
once a year, whatever, let's sort of going through that.
And so I always I'm like Hesitant to set up the pegboard
(09:53):
because we haven't gone through like everything.
Yes. I mean, I think we're getting
close, but, you know, is. Yeah.
And so I'm just in that place where it's like, I want to like,
bring everything like out like which I know is a bad idea, I
know like it is really frustrating.
Okay, this is like a sidebar to like the hygiene but kick, okay.
There's like this. There's like this trend where
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people will talk about like organizing and they're like,
okay? So here's what you're going to
do. You're going to take all of your
stuff, you're going to put it ina Is for you can look at it and
I'm just like that. No, it isn't.
No. Instead, it's a no for me, dog.
And it's supposed to be, like, I'm supposed to I get where it's
like supposed to be helpful and I get how it's supposed to work.
But also like if I take everything out of the kitchen,
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is there it will? That's such like a project that
is insane. You know what I mean?
Not to mention. What's the item number?
What Shakespeare's from but whatit's like the idea of like you
have as far to go as you have already gone.
Yeah. Isn't there like a cool
Shakespeare line? Yeah, it's from Macbeth.
Do you remember the items right on the spot?
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Oh God. It's I'm sorry we are in blood
so deep twould. Well.
Turn back as go. Or it's very those, very poorly.
That sounds like an anagram for your lat.
Did you know the letters in yourname?
Also spell was back to go or I'msorry, sweetie.
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I mean to put you on the spot, but when you do big cleaning,
things like that. Oh, see what this?
When you're doing the Raj. When you do big things like
that, you do, what you do is youuntil you're like, all right,
I'm starting to like be done now, you know, I got like 10
more minutes left in me, but As you do that stuff, as you
consolidate your stuff into a place or whatever your you're
creating more in front of you, you know.
(11:37):
Because you didn't have to put it back so like so wrong about
you really close. I'm in blood steep steps.
Oh, fuck me. I am in blood stepped in so far
that should I wait no more returning were as tedious as go
O'er vales is Christ, that's howis it allowed to write?
Let what, what does that even mean?
It means that it's if you're in the river, right?
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And you get halfway through the river, It was its you could
either keep going or go back, but either way, you're going to
be just as well as the same amount of dad just as.
Yeah, it's and it's a metaphorical River of blood for
Macbeth because he just kept accidentally murdering people,
excuse me, a lot of clutter. Anyway, bringing back the
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butcher that quote. I'm so sorry that was wrong
about on film, so it's fine, youknow, we're racking them up,
it's a cut like so this happenedwhen we were cleaning the
garage, we were organizing, like, garage shelves and to do
that we were like taking All bunch of stuff off the shelves
and I started like, you know, being kind of Dawn and I kind of
sense that you might be getting kind of done as well.
And so I kept thinking like all right, if we spend the last 10
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minutes of this continuing organizing, when we're
officially, like dunzo is like energy-wise.
We're going to have a bunch of like boxes and trash and shit
that were probably not going to dress in.
Then there's a bunch of trash soI was probably so I like sense
that and I was like, okay stopping and like resetting so
like spending the last Last little bit resetting so that
you're not like fuck but that's so.
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I feel like that's what kind of scares me about those methods of
like, put all your such and suchin a location to address it.
Like I get to know that would work for a lot of people and I
think that's probably worked forme several times like a working
with clothes sometimes, but I don't have very many clothes,
but I think that's actually scary about that message ID and
I think what the kitchen word only, well we're sort of doing
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digestible chunks, you know, cabinets at a time.
So that at no point is everything just completely
Really fucking brosh, you know? I mean it gets close sometimes
but you know this like thing about I do.
So like so log n. So so clutter is different that
hygiene. So I feel like we got a little
bit off topic but it's okay because it's our podcasts or are
(13:46):
allowing podcast. Yeah.
But like, I feel like the same kind of thing like, shows up the
like when you're talking about hygiene as well.
Because hygiene, especially whenyou're talking about like
personal like bodily, hygiene, alot of that is grounded.
And in executive function and I wish that we couched hygiene
more in those terms because hiding is always sort of, like,
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I do want to say, taken for granted but it's always like
kind of a thing that is just is like, well, of course, you
shower. Of course, you brush your teeth
or as you remember to wash your hands, like it's just like it's
stuff like that where for an ADHD person that might not be
the case. And especially if you're an ADHD
person who is also struggling with anxiety or depression or,
you know, just a really, really bad executive function day.
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Like you may not be so inclined to shower or brush your teeth.
And it is so Market in people with ADHD that like
statistically, they've studied it in with ADHD have much worse
teeth. We have much of like higher
rates of cavities. We have much higher rate of like
medical issues like skin issues and stuff like that.
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And I think a lot of it it's related to that executive
function, it's related to the besheer, number of tasks that Come
with doing something like showering or, you know, even
brushing your teeth. But it's like, you got to
remember to do the hygiene tasksin order to be hygienic and
that's frustrating. Yeah.
And I mean not to mention all, Ican't think of a hygiene task.
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That doesn't at least involve some like tools or like a coup
Tamal, you know, like to brush your teeth, you need a brush and
tooth paste in, probably a sink,you know, to shower, you need to
our stuff and a towel and yeah. You didn't do laundry.
I'm have a clean towel or whatever, like it all.
Just sort of piles up on Itself,Buddy.
You're been doing so well. Bailey, with the way, she just
(15:38):
kicked a piece of paper, it's true.
She also never gets to be in this room, so she's having a
party excited when that stuff just starts to pile up.
I mean, it's the same as like, you know, the other stuff.
We're talking going to the gym requires, like finding your keys
and getting the proper Jews and finding socks and whatnot.
Now, Eugene tasks all involve that and the worst.
The most, the thing that I struggle, the most with It is it
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compiles on itself, it's cyclical, like the one more
time. I go in between showers the
harder. It is for me to then shower
because I get depressed about it.
Like, I'll start to feel gross, you know physically, I'll just
agree and then it's like, I'm a piece of shit because I didn't
shower whatever it is, which then makes it more difficult to
then shower. Like, even get the motivation to
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start, trying to tackle the executive function heavy tasks.
That is organizing a shower. No, the longer, it goes, the
harder, it gets. And at some point like for me A
lot of times like that, it is just white knuckling.
It just in that moment where it's like, it's been, you know,
a week, maybe more work because I don't, we don't have to leave
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the house for work anymore. He said before I, you know, I
couldn't be in a kitchen and, you know, people would one that
would tell me but, you know, youcan't, it's not safe for
Preparation food Pro, you know. Yeah, but now it's like, you
know, I can go a week without showering and like, you know,
Buddy's gonna like be like, hey Eric, you don't come back to
work until you sure whatever, you know.
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Yeah, but so, anyways, it just becomes at some point.
Like, I don't have a method for it.
Like, I just fucking force my feet.
I literally like a lot of times it literally is like walking,
like, I'll be depressed as shit.Dirty is fucking bed and I'll
literally have to be like, okay,step one sit-up.
Yeah, step two feet on the floor.
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That's three, stand up that for right foot left foot Right foot.
Like I have to do each individual thing until
eventually I'm like in the shower and even then I still
have to be like okay, get your hair wet like I forget yeah
because I get so deep Associatedthat like I forget that I exist
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in the world that I'm looking atlike I feel more like I'm
watching a movie around me and you know just happens to be very
immersive you know. But I'll like forget that like
oh I Actually am in a show. I'm not.
Just like looking at a shower that's on from the insult.
Like I'm actually in the shower.Yeah.
And so, it's the interplay is between my ADHD in my depression
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are always. I mean, they're horrible, but
they're always fascinate me. Did you just look at the dog
light on it? You just got that Bailey smile.
Yeah, it's really cute. My dark so much.
It's fine. I'm not gonna cry on my podcast
about my dog. Just like hey, you can your
pockets. My dogs are funny.
What's your will? Sorry if you guys I mean I was
(18:33):
no, it's okay. I guess like the thought that I
have I always come back to is that like most useful because
like one like there's so many like it's what you said.
Like there's so many like secondary tasks that come with
basic hygiene and sometimes it'sas simple as like, do you have a
toothbrush? Do you have toothpaste?
Because there's like a solid week where there was no
toothpaste in the upstairs bathroom and I was like, fuck,
(18:56):
you know, I don't have any toothpaste on my apartment for a
long time, you know, just gonna brush my teeth when I There.
And then I brush my teeth here or like a big one.
For me is like towels, but that in, and then this is like, this
is where we start slowly creeping into like sensory
issues because I have a thing with like smelly towels, like,
if a towel is like, has been like, sitting around for too
(19:16):
long and so, it's like, you know, but it's I feel like if
you don't have ADHD, if you don't struggle with executive
dysfunction, it would be really easy to like listen to this
podcast. And be like, wow, what a lazy
piece of shit? You know what I mean?
But it's like, it's So much more, I think like complicated
than that because it's like, okay.
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So one of my things is that if Iwill be upset if like I get out
of the shower and my towel is like smelly, right?
Because it's been like sitting around for too long.
So now I have some option like option one, is that I have like
every time I shower I put my towel like right into the
washing machine. And so I only use a tell once
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which a lot of people do that. That's fine.
But then That's like okay now there's extra laundry now
there's more stuff like now I have to remember to like bring
the, you know, switch the laundry over.
Now I have to run, you know, whatever you know, dry the
towel, whatever, for next time then there's like, okay well
maybe I'll get a bunch of towelsbut then which is something that
I did, that was a mistake because I was like, if I have 40
towels than Allah, but then it just becomes now, you 40 dirty
(20:21):
towels and no clean ones, you know that it's like okay well if
that's the issue then you know, maybe I'll get like a bathrobe
or whatever or you know. And then there's like Like okay
well the solution is then. Instead of taking a shower all
the time, I'll keep like those like body wipe.
Like, you know, like shower and a bag type things.
Like, okay, well, what happens when I run out of those or what
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happens when I, you know, I'm upstairs and I'm really
struggling with with depression and I don't want to go
downstairs, like there's always a thing and I think the issue
comes not necessarily from like that being the issue, like, the
issue isn't the towel. The issue isn't the, the task of
taking a shower. It's the fact that every single
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thing I do is manual. Hmm, everything I do is manual,
so it's like, I have to manually.
Remember it's like, okay, if I don't like how my towels smell
is done, I have to make sure that like, I put it back on the
hook, you know, or I have to bring it to the washing machine
that I have to do a lot like andit just becomes one thing and
one thing and one thing and one thing when then it becomes just
easier to like that. I'm just not going to shower,
(21:26):
you know, especially like when II like how I feel now where I'm
literally struggling to functionlike on, like, I'm weeks behind
on some like, emails and stuff, because it's just, like, I
answer a single email and I'm just exhausted, you know?
And that's embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing and it,
and it's, I'm trying to let go of the shame of it because like,
I feel like that's a big part ofsort of like our mission.
(21:47):
But like, I can sit here and tell everybody it's okay.
And you're not alone, but like boy, do I feel like a fuck up
while I'm still giving, you knowwhat I mean?
Like Mayo for yourself. The same Grace, and forgiveness.
That you so easily afford. Exactly.
And so like I know there are solutions but all of those
Solutions still involve task management.
All of those Solutions, still involve executive dysfunction
(22:09):
and our executive functioning and so then when that executive
dysfunction takes over, I think it can be really really easy to
go. Well I'm just not going to
shower today, you know? Yeah but then you don't shower
today or tomorrow or the next day it was like three or four
days and like you're gone your grungy and then do you still
have a Kiki towel, you know, I just I don't know I just get so
(22:30):
frustrated. I get so frustrated by so much
of the advice that's out there and so much of the like I don't
know, I'd like I guess like yeah, advice that.
That is so vested in this like of course, this is a simple
thing. Of course, this is easy, you
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know? And it's like, it's not it's not
easy, it's not easy to shower. It's not easy to remember to
brush your teeth. Like I am. 35, as of today, am
like, I still have to manually remind myself every day to brush
my teeth like yeah, you know, and it's just like I saw that's
the part that I just get so frustrated with is like, How
(23:14):
such simple tasks can be. So Monumental because of like,
oh, I forgot to put my towel back on the hook, the last time,
I showered. So it was like in a pile on the
floor where I got all stinky, and that was my last house.
So now, I either have the choiceof drying off with a stinky
towel, or doing a load of laundry, but doing that load of
(23:35):
laundry, is going to completely take all of my spoons for the
rest of the day. So I'm still not going to shower
like you know what I mean? Like, Like yeah, it's like I
don't have like a good solution.Like that's the shitty thing is,
I feel like we're sitting here like bitching with no like real.
Like and here's how to fix it. Dear listener.
But it's like I don't really have like stuff like that is
(23:57):
like the stuff that I really fundamentally struggle with
because you know, it's like okay, clutter manager, clutter,
you know, like whatever. But it's like when it's stuff
that is deeply intrinsically related to like depression and
like the struggle of like I don't know, caring for yourself
an existing it's just like it's a lot more complicated and I
feel guilty and weird that I don't have like a like and
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here's my top 10 solutions to fix it.
I'm just like complaining. So don't you mean?
Sorry. Dear listener.
I don't know what you mean. I mean I think any quote unquote
solutions that I could offer onetheir view but it's more of like
sometimes like Sometimes, I'm pretty good with hygiene.
(24:39):
Yeah. But I don't I don't I can't
attribute that to physical things that I do.
Sometimes some things we can, I put my toothbrush on those side
of the thing so I like have to see it whenever I go to the
bath. You know.
Like that works pretty well for me.
And I always I'm a one towel guy.
I have one towel, that's it. And I hang it up.
(25:01):
Hopefully. Usually, you know, in a place
and that stops me from getting like a big backlog of like dirty
towels is because I only have one, you know.
So like I Use that a couple times until I run out of clothes
and then I just throw the towel in with the clothes that works
for me. That also works really well for
dishes and silverware. Like if you live alone or with
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one person I have as many of a Dish as you have people living
in the house, plus one for guests and that way like you
literally can't fill your sink with dishes because you don't
have enough of them to do that. Like it's impossible that worked
for what for me for a while it stopped after I moved here
because new sink new kitchen, MyHope.
And got scrambled. I have 800 plates because I lie.
(25:44):
I did the exact opposite. I do the exact opposite thing is
one of the things I'm realizing is your like a minimalist in
that way of like, that's your fix for, like a lot of your
executive function issues and - exactly the opposite, like I
will go buy more towels. Before I do a load of laundry,
it is such a toxic tree, I don't, I'm that way with
underwear. Yeah.
Like I songs honestly really go buy new towels or like new
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sheets and I realized that comesfrom like an immense amount of
Like privilege to, you know, butit's like I'll go to the fucking
good. Will, you know if I'm strapped,
don't be like, here's my dollar sheet or, you know what I mean?
Like, when I think when it, whenit, when I'm doing well, I I
can't it's hard for me to attribute it to any physical
things that I'm doing. I'm sure there are some but
(26:29):
like, you know, wiping, no weed.I knew we were going to record
this episode today and I was been thinking, but I really
can't think of like oh when I dothis it's way better.
Except for those things I just mentioned, but I do notice that
it's It's always preceded by a feeling towards myself of this
person. Deserves to be clean.
(26:50):
Yeah, and hygienic which is a hardest part.
I think I said in the cooking episode, which was also a year
and a half ago, that the hardestpart of cooking for yourself is
thinking of yourself as somebodyworse cooking for, and I think
the same is true with, with hygiene the hardest part about
it, for me, is Thinking of myself who's as someone who's
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deserving of not feeling like shit and their own body.
Yeah. And then after that, you still
have to deal with the executive dysfunction.
You have to deal with the fact, you might be immensely
depressed, but I think for me, it has to start there.
I have to I have a lot of them have to it.
It helps to start their to thinkof myself.
As I, you know, I'm worthy of Being whatever like it
(27:32):
oftentimes when I'm, you know, doing hygiene things when I'm
really down in the dumps about myself and I feel ugly inside
and out, it feels sort of like, you know, if you had the same
shitty shit, shit car for 40 years or whatever you drive it
to work and it's just barely chugging along.
But, you know, you like what areyour waxing?
(27:54):
It you know you're detailing it.Like that's a car's a piece of
shit. You know what are you doing?
It kind of feels like that. It's like this futile.
Like why would I do this but that's stupid and who benefits
from that. Nobody benefits from that.
Yeah, I also I always feel like there's a little mean man in my
head and he's happy when I mean to myself and I am always trying
(28:15):
to keep him happy and it's like,there's no little fucking may,
like, your nobody's benefiting from you being mean to yourself.
Like, yeah, that's not a thing. There's no party that is better
for it. Well.
So I also think about and I readthis quote, I think I just
played it. But on the last hygiene episode,
which is from Rick and Morty. Look at that, a straight white
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man, talking about Rick and Morty, sorry, I'm very
embarrassed by how much I liked Rick and Morty's, okay?
You've really likes old Miracle Moretti and I have like
secondhand embarrassment becauseI'm just like, I also it's I
don't know, it's whatever they're not like, oh my God, I'm
so smart because I get the jokesand Rick and Marty like, but I
would still like her and it's really good shots.
Look at writing but there's an episode where it's a long story,
(28:57):
but Rick goes to therapy, it ends up with Rick in therapy and
he He gives this whole spiel about how therapy stupid.
He's very smart. So it'll sounds all cool and
normally like the writing, but what really made this sort of a
poignant moment to me is normally Rick's.
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Spiels is like the end of it because he's the smart guy, he's
the whatever. So you're kind of expect that to
happen but he doesn't the therapist comes back and gives
this monologue season to your playlist.
Susan Sarandon. Yeah.
Um, but I don't know if you'll indulge me, I'll paraphrase a
bit but it has to do with hygiene and I think it's really
(29:43):
Good. But she shows up.
She says, Rick the only correlation I see between your
on questionable intelligence in the sickness destroying your
family, is it everybody in your family?
You included, use sickness or use intelligence to justify
sickness. Skipping some, he says, I've
known. I've no doubt that you would be
bored senseless by therapy the same way that I'm bored.
(30:05):
When I brush my teeth and wipe my ass because the thing about
cleaning maintaining and repairing is that, it's not an
adventure. There's no Oh way to do it so
wrong, you might die. It's just work.
The fact of the matter is that some of us are okay with going
to work. Some of us would well, rather
die. Everybody gets to choose.
I think about that all the time.The you just have this, like,
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casually, whatever ice. I don't know.
I feel like I memorize things byaccident a lot, but, but I think
little is, it's just fucking work, you know, I keep wanting
to it to be like, You know, not only do I want this such like
strategies in place to make it easier like towel racks and that
kind of stuff. But I also want it to be high
(30:48):
stakes, like I want to convince myself that it's like this epic
adventure and I need to get my equipment in my team together in
like form a fucking method like it's a goddamn Beef Wellington
or something so that I can win showering and I can win the
hygiene game but that's just notwhat it is.
It's just dumb bullshit that yougot to do because when you're
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born, You get a body and bodies get dirty by nature of existing
and you just have to do that. Like you don't literally have to
you know, it's up to you but it's just part of it, you know.
And I desperately want it to be more interesting and Grandeur
and higher Stakes, but it just never is going to be and that's
just what it is, you know. Yeah.
(31:30):
And Very rarely well. So maybe a larger point that I
want to make, but no matter how dirty you get, you can always
shower the like, if you shower every day, you're exactly as
clean after showering as you are.
If you shower every two weeks, if you don't try for two weeks
and then you shower your back toclean.
(31:51):
Great, congratulations. You know, you're not, I mean,
it's take us. It's different at the reason I
hesitated that it's different with like Teeth.
Ya know, cuz your teeth can get permanently damaged.
But yeah. I can be okay with going to
work, but I also that was there's probably good place to
end but I also just wanted to say that my big sensory thing
(32:11):
with showering is my feet. Getting dirty is like I get all
clean but then when you step outof the shower your feet, hit the
ground and now immediately they're probably still a little
wet. And now now there's ground Gunk
on the bottom of your feet and you put your socks on over it.
And it's like a little which thesolution to that is slippers our
slippers, which I thought about every week for the Ten fucking
(32:34):
years and I still don't have slow person.
That might my dude I got you have some, they're downstairs in
the dining room. I bought them when we were going
to go swimming. Oh yeah.
Solve that problem for you, preemptively.
Oh, I remember you said that andI didn't want you to be crossed
out of the locker of side wildflowers shower slippers,
sweetie. That's so nice.
(32:55):
Thank you so much. It's very thoughtful.
Welcome. Oh right.
You want to feel like everybody is news package like Katie,
Derek or gross. Ass.
I'm embarrassed. They bugged me out in their
gross on me out there, gross? No, like, I don't know, like to
close. Like I think that's part of it
as I think that part of it is like, we like one of the big
things that we've always had outto do, is for like destigmatize.
(33:18):
A lot of these conversations do you suck?
Because it's really, I don't know.
Like I'm an adult and I'm prettyresponsible and I'm pretty
capable. But like, I struggle with
showering. I struggle with brushing my
teeth. I struggle with, like a lot of
it also becomes like impossible.Asks, ya know, if there's like
the container of food that's been like, you know, just that's
there and I'm like I should clean it and then I don't and
(33:40):
then he gets grocer and I'm like, well I don't want to do it
now because he's gross and I'll do it later but I just froze her
and grosser grosser but I don't want to do it.
The more that it gets gross. And so because it's impossible
task, instead of just like describe the fucking food in the
garbage Glide, grow up, you know.
And so sometimes it's like, I think you have to be like,
realistic. And looking at yourself and
being like, okay, like what kit,what can I do now that is going
(34:00):
to prevent that sort of like, stinging towel Quandary from
happening or make things even one percent better?
Yeah, you know, man, I think everything worth doing is worth
doing poorly. You know, maybe you're not gonna
do a whole epic, everything shower, which I just learned
about, it was, it was, it was a girl secret that they take
everything showers or they use all of their, this is not, I
know, you know this Katie but it's this is to to the people
(34:22):
who don't know whatever they didwhere they use everything.
They have all they use all the products they like if they shave
they shave. If they use a whatever special
mask thing that you like they doall of the things like a Fucking
process and it seems Delight. Okay, if you're up to it, you
were in the shower for 45 minutes have really good.
Acoustics is just sucking balls are.
(34:43):
Let's say this is you be King ofEverything showers?
Really I really like a face masklike a please.
Do I need to, I want really wantto start doing that kind of
stuff like the, the long-term stuff, because I do like
immediate cleaning or like, but I don't do the thing that's
gonna like we had a used in skincare.
Yeah, I need a recommendation. For Eric, please email us.
(35:04):
We have a necklace. Podcast.com.
Oh yeah. I definitely skin care stuff.
I got, I got exome. Uh-uh ex-mafia normalize, having
axilla. What?
Alright everybody. Thank you so much for being
here. Tune in on Thursday or probably
atonally similar conversation about how all the stuff can
(35:25):
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You should have exciting sex an idiot.
She is your thing. I feel like I stole that from.
That's So Hard podcast right there.
Early dearest Astro. My name is on the playbill.
It's true. I forgot Haiti and Eric's Story.
How, wait till you meet Steve? You're fired.
Oh my God, Jake a mom. But before we depart everybody
(35:47):
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one Chocolate, milk, Emily. Forgot I was going to say I like
a thing and then I was like, ah shit.
I legitimately forgot. I'm doing so good.
I am. Do we want to talk about the
let's know what? Let's just talk about it.
Next week will make the big announcement next week, but then
(36:09):
also we're going to start looking at our convention
schedule for 2023. So we are a promise, I swear.
I swear on the grave of William Shakespeare himself, I will
We'll update the fucking website, but we'll get the
website updated and all that good stuff.
So, y'all know where you can start finding us and to 2023 a
couple of just me announcements is that, okay?
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Is he? And also, I would say that you
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I did sell out. Yeah.
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(37:15):
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(38:40):
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Drink some water. Eat some food.
No, isn't that perfect snack to eat a snack?
Damn it. I didn't know is so scripted as
I try and keep it consistent. Oh, okay.
Well, right. Let's think about showering.
You know, if you don't it's not a failure, forgive yourself, if
you don't. That's okay.
No, you got this. Maybe you're in the shower right
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I know it was a joke because I was like we're in the shower
with them. Like oh yeah.
You look real good showering. Good job.
Good job. One slip.
Be careful and 80s music video. I'm sure our Montage little
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well. See you in the shower and she
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I don't think. But definitely some people are
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Hey, Eric, come to 2023. Holy shit.
Yeah, this is the first one to turn.
Yeah, official podcast of 2023. Welcome everybody to 2023.
What's it like to be in an odd-numbered year?
It's so far it's pretty good. I was my birthday yesterday.
It was your birthday yesterday as remember that.
(00:27):
We had a birthday party, it was really nice.
Just great fun. We played Pai.
Putt-Putt golf we did. And we did have to do math.
Oh yeah, it was amazing. That was the best Putt-Putt golf
experience I've ever had in my lifetime.
Like without question. Yeah, this is episode is
sponsored by put check and put acheck in Atlanta.
This is place in Atlanta. It's called Pet Shack.
And you go and is kind of a painin the ass when you first walk
(00:48):
in because you have to like, putin your like information that's
annoying. She's an amount of like a weird
amount of information. Um but then you go upstairs to
go to like the mini golf and they give you like a ball that
has like an RFID Card. Heh.
And so when you play it, just tracks everything for you.
So it tracks like how many timesyou hit the ball and like you
get like pulling incident like knows where the ball hits.
(01:09):
It's very it's like smart Puck that's like smart it tracks.
I guess there's got to be an accelerometer or something in
the ball to detect like getting it because there was one time
when Chris picked his up and like moved it and it counted as
a stroke and now you're getting away with something.
It was amazing. It was like in each of the
things was like a different likegame, you know.
So there was like one that was like pinball where you like hey
(01:30):
It up a thing and then you get more of it knows where the ball
is all the time. And so like if you hit it over
like a certain little spot, likelittle green lit spot, then you
got bonus points, it was awesome.
And you don't have to do any like masks were keeping right
here. It's like bowling.
It just, there's just screens that just like, display your
points and how much you pay and stuff was sweet.
And can decrease, his partner, got on the leaderboard for the
(01:52):
entire day. Yeah, they had like a nine all
day. I think it was five when we left
and we even got some guy, some guy beat her right before we But
what are you gonna do? It's fine.
We can be absolutely crushed it.Think crushed it.
Those are great for this video. He's good.
Well I hope I had a great time when it's good.
It's good. I hope you did too.
Is it was also a birthday comingat the.
I feel like the tail end of likea big.
(02:15):
I love you. But like depression spiral for
me at least not been a great fewweeks.
Yeah, I'm not doing great. I'm not gonna lie and also.
Hi everybody. Welcome back today.
I forgot to say that I was looking for like a segue.
Then I just realized I was gonnahave to shoot it in.
Yeah. Normally I start with hi Katie
but you beat me to it because itwas I was fussing about, it's
okay around. This was weird.
(02:35):
We're making some dope Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Jokes our but yeah, I've not been doing great.
I'm in the middle just because dear listener.
I feel like this is the type of stuff.
Do you should know about in hereabout?
We should normalize talking about but I'm in the middle of
switching antidepressants and itis not going well, I'm very
(02:55):
talented, it's not going great. I'm in that like weird
transitory period. We're like, Old antidepressants
are like out of my system but mynew antidepressants haven't
really kicked in and I'm pretty sure.
Also the dosage is like way too low, so like I'm not doing
amazing. Yeah, the presents are weird
because like the time frames areall very long, you know, it's
not like you take it and then itfeels away and you like, judge
(03:17):
is this right for me? Can I do this?
It's like you have to just like a month.
Yeah, something to even to change.
So like, you have to feel like shit for like weeks before.
It's like and then they're like,okay, well, do you actually feel
like shit or you just like Transit orally feeling like
shit? Said, right?
So it's not maybe the best time I've ever had but I'm yeah, I'm
getting by but today's episode is brought to you by the letter
(03:41):
d for depression and also dumb stupid amounts of dumb stupid
garbage. All over my dumb stupid floor.
Yeah. And my body.
I feel like I dirty dirty body. Yeah.
I feel like when I get depressedmy hygiene is the first thing to
go out the window. Yeah.
So today, we're going to talk about High She and ADHD around
(04:02):
and hygiene episode sounds. But it's weird because for years
is one of her most popular episodes to we still get emails
about the first hygiene episode.So, um, also we are, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I was gonna say bury the lead but I'm
going to reveal the lead early. Is this is going to be a two
parter gonna be a two-parter series.
Oh, so come back on Thursday because we're going to is we're
(04:23):
going to bring it back around. What we are on that later we're
going to talk about sex in hygiene and how Intimacy and sex
can be affected by sensory issues that are often affected
by things like hygiene and clutter.
And I'm really excited because one, we have no sex episode in a
hot minute. Yeah.
But also to because I think it'sa really interesting topic that
(04:45):
not a lot of people talk about because nobody wants to talk
about dirty butt holes podcast. But you know what?
I'm going to take that one for the team.
It's fine. I had a breakthrough with my
therapist about that the other week, which I will not start
talking about now because once I, For Thursday before Thursday,
for Thursday, it's okay, but come back because we're going to
talk about sensory issues and intimacy and I'm really excited
(05:08):
for that episode. But anyway, let's talk about
the. We got to we got to lay the
foundation before we talk Pie inthe Sky.
No. Sorry, rings and coffee cups.
And yeah, well I think so, for one with with high just hygiene,
I want to sort of clarify. I think what we mean by that
because hygiene, we mean like the obvious.
I like, you know, bodily hygienelike brushing your teeth and
shit. But then also like, Cleanliness
(05:32):
of areas but not necessarily like clutter because I think
there's a difference between like clutter and like dirty, ya
know, cuz like clutter can lead to dirt, but dirt doesn't
necessarily lead to clutter. Yeah, you know what I mean?
They're like, it's like an SAT problem.
Yeah. Like my, for example, like my
bathroom at my apartment I thinkis like, it's not very cluttered
(05:52):
wasn't very clean like because Iwas just forget to clean because
it's not cluttered and clutters the things I really worry about.
Yeah. And so, if it's like not
cluttered, I'm like, yeah, that's great.
And then, every once in a while,Oh, actually need to like clean
this, you know, so we also when we started, I want hygiene.
Well, we also mean like the hygiene of like an area.
For example, before this podcast.
We had to clear off a bunch of moldy coffee cups.
(06:14):
Off of my desk just been sittingthere and that of an odor.
Yeah, I didn't notice the smell of but then you walked into my
office and you're like, whoa andI was like, oh yeah, I guess,
that's true. Yeah, and I want to point out,
we didn't get very sidetracked. I was kind of premise.
We needed to get a trash can in trash bags.
For the thing. And then I was like, ooh, it's
still smells bad in here. Let's get a candle and then I
found a candle, but I didn't have a lighter so that I had to
(06:36):
find a lighter for the candle toget rid of the smell from the
coffee cups, that you were putting in the trash can that we
found. And then I took it outside, and
I was like, ooh, tomorrow's trash day.
I should take the trash out to the curb while I'm doing this.
And I was like, wait a minute. We had to record a podcast.
You take their garbage cans to the curb.
I didn't I just put through Christ and in the garage every
day that we got, it will do that.
But anyway, yeah. So dirt is not clutter clutter
(06:58):
is not dirt, but they are deeplyand intrinsically related.
Are you guys an interesting thing that is happening right
now in our lives is that we are eighty HD / Chef English artist
doesn't work for chuffing, our kitchen, we're making the
kitchen more ADHD friendly and just like streamlined.
And since Eric has a lot of experience in professional
(07:19):
kitchens, we're kind of going that way.
Like, we're setting it up, like they're like, a lot of it is
just sort of based in that sort of like, professional kitchen.
However, right now, everything Ihave ever owned is out Out on
like the counters and on the floor in like piles.
Yeah. And I do this thing and it's and
I've I need to go to therapy about it but I do this thing
(07:39):
where I'm convinced that if I spend enough money, my problems
will be solved. You may have noticed this,
right? I'm gonna go full comrade on
this one that is capitalism has trained, you deliberately to be
that way. So, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get
too down on yourself, but it's like, so, but we put a peg
boards. Like that was the big thing is
we put a peg board. Said, I was really excited three
of them and that is I went on Amazon and I bought, In
(08:05):
absolutely Capri. I didn't understand how much I
was buying. Like I was like, oh this is a
reasonable amount of stuff to buy for a pegboard but then also
I found out because again clutter is a problem.
Eric already had a bunch of paperwork stuff.
So we have like six boxes. We have like board stuff.
Yeah, that is just like now, I don't know what to do with, and
(08:26):
it's become like its own problem, and its own set of
boxes, and its own set of clutter on the floor.
But like, as I'm trying to like,live in my kitchen and and do
things like the dishes is extremely hard because now
there's like also bullshit everywhere that we aren't
finished like doing because we're also having to like do our
jobs in like our lives around the kitchen and it's become this
(08:48):
just like weird issue of like everything is dirty and
disgusting and it's cluttered and I'm very stressed.
But I'm so stressed that I don'twant to go into my kitchen to do
it. So yeah, that's where I'm at and
I think that like I am a massivefucking fan of Peg boards and I
think what's great about them isone their vertical invisible,
(09:08):
which is my whole thing. I never liked say, that's my
whole thing and like my own life.
I say it all the time but I don't like make content my
project. Let me work on it with that.
But yeah, the two v's baby vertical invisible, but they're
also extremely modular. So it's not You're building
something that just is what it is.
Now, like, at any time, you can just sort of rearrange it and if
you get new shed you can like change up how it goes.
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Yeah, that's really nice. That being said it is still kind
of hard to figure out how to like, put one together.
So right now, we're we're basic,we're sort of getting rid of
redundancies I'd say yeah, kitchen.
Where there's like, oh you have like four of these but what
buddy Boppity. Boop, bee flew, we only use this
once a year, whatever, let's sort of going through that.
And so I always I'm like Hesitant to set up the pegboard
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because we haven't gone through like everything.
Yes. I mean, I think we're getting
close, but, you know, is. Yeah.
And so I'm just in that place where it's like, I want to like,
bring everything like out like which I know is a bad idea, I
know like it is really frustrating.
Okay, this is like a sidebar to like the hygiene but kick, okay.
There's like this. There's like this trend where
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people will talk about like organizing and they're like,
okay? So here's what you're going to
do. You're going to take all of your
stuff, you're going to put it ina Is for you can look at it and
I'm just like that. No, it isn't.
No. Instead, it's a no for me, dog.
And it's supposed to be, like, I'm supposed to I get where it's
like supposed to be helpful and I get how it's supposed to work.
But also like if I take everything out of the kitchen,
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is there it will? That's such like a project that
is insane. You know what I mean?
Not to mention. What's the item number?
What Shakespeare's from but whatit's like the idea of like you
have as far to go as you have already gone.
Yeah. Isn't there like a cool
Shakespeare line? Yeah, it's from Macbeth.
Do you remember the items right on the spot?
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Oh God. It's I'm sorry we are in blood
so deep twould. Well.
Turn back as go. Or it's very those, very poorly.
That sounds like an anagram for your lat.
Did you know the letters in yourname?
Also spell was back to go or I'msorry, sweetie.
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I mean to put you on the spot, but when you do big cleaning,
things like that. Oh, see what this?
When you're doing the Raj. When you do big things like
that, you do, what you do is youuntil you're like, all right,
I'm starting to like be done now, you know, I got like 10
more minutes left in me, but As you do that stuff, as you
consolidate your stuff into a place or whatever your you're
creating more in front of you, you know.
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Because you didn't have to put it back so like so wrong about
you really close. I'm in blood steep steps.
Oh, fuck me. I am in blood stepped in so far
that should I wait no more returning were as tedious as go
O'er vales is Christ, that's howis it allowed to write?
Let what, what does that even mean?
It means that it's if you're in the river, right?
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And you get halfway through the river, It was its you could
either keep going or go back, but either way, you're going to
be just as well as the same amount of dad just as.
Yeah, it's and it's a metaphorical River of blood for
Macbeth because he just kept accidentally murdering people,
excuse me, a lot of clutter. Anyway, bringing back the
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butcher that quote. I'm so sorry that was wrong
about on film, so it's fine, youknow, we're racking them up,
it's a cut like so this happenedwhen we were cleaning the
garage, we were organizing, like, garage shelves and to do
that we were like taking All bunch of stuff off the shelves
and I started like, you know, being kind of Dawn and I kind of
sense that you might be getting kind of done as well.
And so I kept thinking like all right, if we spend the last 10
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minutes of this continuing organizing, when we're
officially, like dunzo is like energy-wise.
We're going to have a bunch of like boxes and trash and shit
that were probably not going to dress in.
Then there's a bunch of trash soI was probably so I like sense
that and I was like, okay stopping and like resetting so
like spending the last Last little bit resetting so that
you're not like fuck but that's so.
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I feel like that's what kind of scares me about those methods of
like, put all your such and suchin a location to address it.
Like I get to know that would work for a lot of people and I
think that's probably worked forme several times like a working
with clothes sometimes, but I don't have very many clothes,
but I think that's actually scary about that message ID and
I think what the kitchen word only, well we're sort of doing
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digestible chunks, you know, cabinets at a time.
So that at no point is everything just completely
Really fucking brosh, you know? I mean it gets close sometimes
but you know this like thing about I do.
So like so log n. So so clutter is different that
hygiene. So I feel like we got a little
bit off topic but it's okay because it's our podcasts or are
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allowing podcast. Yeah.
But like, I feel like the same kind of thing like, shows up the
like when you're talking about hygiene as well.
Because hygiene, especially whenyou're talking about like
personal like bodily, hygiene, alot of that is grounded.
And in executive function and I wish that we couched hygiene
more in those terms because hiding is always sort of, like,
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I do want to say, taken for granted but it's always like
kind of a thing that is just is like, well, of course, you
shower. Of course, you brush your teeth
or as you remember to wash your hands, like it's just like it's
stuff like that where for an ADHD person that might not be
the case. And especially if you're an ADHD
person who is also struggling with anxiety or depression or,
you know, just a really, really bad executive function day.
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Like you may not be so inclined to shower or brush your teeth.
And it is so Market in people with ADHD that like
statistically, they've studied it in with ADHD have much worse
teeth. We have much of like higher
rates of cavities. We have much higher rate of like
medical issues like skin issues and stuff like that.
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And I think a lot of it it's related to that executive
function, it's related to the besheer, number of tasks that Come
with doing something like showering or, you know, even
brushing your teeth. But it's like, you got to
remember to do the hygiene tasksin order to be hygienic and
that's frustrating. Yeah.
And I mean not to mention all, Ican't think of a hygiene task.
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That doesn't at least involve some like tools or like a coup
Tamal, you know, like to brush your teeth, you need a brush and
tooth paste in, probably a sink,you know, to shower, you need to
our stuff and a towel and yeah. You didn't do laundry.
I'm have a clean towel or whatever, like it all.
Just sort of piles up on Itself,Buddy.
You're been doing so well. Bailey, with the way, she just
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kicked a piece of paper, it's true.
She also never gets to be in this room, so she's having a
party excited when that stuff just starts to pile up.
I mean, it's the same as like, you know, the other stuff.
We're talking going to the gym requires, like finding your keys
and getting the proper Jews and finding socks and whatnot.
Now, Eugene tasks all involve that and the worst.
The most, the thing that I struggle, the most with It is it
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compiles on itself, it's cyclical, like the one more
time. I go in between showers the
harder. It is for me to then shower
because I get depressed about it.
Like, I'll start to feel gross, you know physically, I'll just
agree and then it's like, I'm a piece of shit because I didn't
shower whatever it is, which then makes it more difficult to
then shower. Like, even get the motivation to
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start, trying to tackle the executive function heavy tasks.
That is organizing a shower. No, the longer, it goes, the
harder, it gets. And at some point like for me A
lot of times like that, it is just white knuckling.
It just in that moment where it's like, it's been, you know,
a week, maybe more work because I don't, we don't have to leave
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the house for work anymore. He said before I, you know, I
couldn't be in a kitchen and, you know, people would one that
would tell me but, you know, youcan't, it's not safe for
Preparation food Pro, you know. Yeah, but now it's like, you
know, I can go a week without showering and like, you know,
Buddy's gonna like be like, hey Eric, you don't come back to
work until you sure whatever, you know.
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Yeah, but so, anyways, it just becomes at some point.
Like, I don't have a method for it.
Like, I just fucking force my feet.
I literally like a lot of times it literally is like walking,
like, I'll be depressed as shit.Dirty is fucking bed and I'll
literally have to be like, okay,step one sit-up.
Yeah, step two feet on the floor.
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That's three, stand up that for right foot left foot Right foot.
Like I have to do each individual thing until
eventually I'm like in the shower and even then I still
have to be like okay, get your hair wet like I forget yeah
because I get so deep Associatedthat like I forget that I exist
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in the world that I'm looking atlike I feel more like I'm
watching a movie around me and you know just happens to be very
immersive you know. But I'll like forget that like
oh I Actually am in a show. I'm not.
Just like looking at a shower that's on from the insult.
Like I'm actually in the shower.Yeah.
And so, it's the interplay is between my ADHD in my depression
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are always. I mean, they're horrible, but
they're always fascinate me. Did you just look at the dog
light on it? You just got that Bailey smile.
Yeah, it's really cute. My dark so much.
It's fine. I'm not gonna cry on my podcast
about my dog. Just like hey, you can your
pockets. My dogs are funny.
What's your will? Sorry if you guys I mean I was
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no, it's okay. I guess like the thought that I
have I always come back to is that like most useful because
like one like there's so many like it's what you said.
Like there's so many like secondary tasks that come with
basic hygiene and sometimes it'sas simple as like, do you have a
toothbrush? Do you have toothpaste?
Because there's like a solid week where there was no
toothpaste in the upstairs bathroom and I was like, fuck,
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you know, I don't have any toothpaste on my apartment for a
long time, you know, just gonna brush my teeth when I There.
And then I brush my teeth here or like a big one.
For me is like towels, but that in, and then this is like, this
is where we start slowly creeping into like sensory
issues because I have a thing with like smelly towels, like,
if a towel is like, has been like, sitting around for too
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long and so, it's like, you know, but it's I feel like if
you don't have ADHD, if you don't struggle with executive
dysfunction, it would be really easy to like listen to this
podcast. And be like, wow, what a lazy
piece of shit? You know what I mean?
But it's like, it's So much more, I think like complicated
than that because it's like, okay.
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So one of my things is that if Iwill be upset if like I get out
of the shower and my towel is like smelly, right?
Because it's been like sitting around for too long.
So now I have some option like option one, is that I have like
every time I shower I put my towel like right into the
washing machine. And so I only use a tell once
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which a lot of people do that. That's fine.
But then That's like okay now there's extra laundry now
there's more stuff like now I have to remember to like bring
the, you know, switch the laundry over.
Now I have to run, you know, whatever you know, dry the
towel, whatever, for next time then there's like, okay well
maybe I'll get a bunch of towelsbut then which is something that
I did, that was a mistake because I was like, if I have 40
towels than Allah, but then it just becomes now, you 40 dirty
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towels and no clean ones, you know that it's like okay well if
that's the issue then you know, maybe I'll get like a bathrobe
or whatever or you know. And then there's like Like okay
well the solution is then. Instead of taking a shower all
the time, I'll keep like those like body wipe.
Like, you know, like shower and a bag type things.
Like, okay, well, what happens when I run out of those or what
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happens when I, you know, I'm upstairs and I'm really
struggling with with depression and I don't want to go
downstairs, like there's always a thing and I think the issue
comes not necessarily from like that being the issue, like, the
issue isn't the towel. The issue isn't the, the task of
taking a shower. It's the fact that every single
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thing I do is manual. Hmm, everything I do is manual,
so it's like, I have to manually.
Remember it's like, okay, if I don't like how my towels smell
is done, I have to make sure that like, I put it back on the
hook, you know, or I have to bring it to the washing machine
that I have to do a lot like andit just becomes one thing and
one thing and one thing and one thing when then it becomes just
easier to like that. I'm just not going to shower,
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you know, especially like when II like how I feel now where I'm
literally struggling to functionlike on, like, I'm weeks behind
on some like, emails and stuff, because it's just, like, I
answer a single email and I'm just exhausted, you know?
And that's embarrassing. Like, it's embarrassing and it,
and it's, I'm trying to let go of the shame of it because like,
I feel like that's a big part ofsort of like our mission.
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But like, I can sit here and tell everybody it's okay.
And you're not alone, but like boy, do I feel like a fuck up
while I'm still giving, you knowwhat I mean?
Like Mayo for yourself. The same Grace, and forgiveness.
That you so easily afford. Exactly.
And so like I know there are solutions but all of those
Solutions still involve task management.
All of those Solutions, still involve executive dysfunction
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and our executive functioning and so then when that executive
dysfunction takes over, I think it can be really really easy to
go. Well I'm just not going to
shower today, you know? Yeah but then you don't shower
today or tomorrow or the next day it was like three or four
days and like you're gone your grungy and then do you still
have a Kiki towel, you know, I just I don't know I just get so
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frustrated. I get so frustrated by so much
of the advice that's out there and so much of the like I don't
know, I'd like I guess like yeah, advice that.
That is so vested in this like of course, this is a simple
thing. Of course, this is easy, you
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know? And it's like, it's not it's not
easy, it's not easy to shower. It's not easy to remember to
brush your teeth. Like I am. 35, as of today, am
like, I still have to manually remind myself every day to brush
my teeth like yeah, you know, and it's just like I saw that's
the part that I just get so frustrated with is like, How
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such simple tasks can be. So Monumental because of like,
oh, I forgot to put my towel back on the hook, the last time,
I showered. So it was like in a pile on the
floor where I got all stinky, and that was my last house.
So now, I either have the choiceof drying off with a stinky
towel, or doing a load of laundry, but doing that load of
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laundry, is going to completely take all of my spoons for the
rest of the day. So I'm still not going to shower
like you know what I mean? Like, Like yeah, it's like I
don't have like a good solution.Like that's the shitty thing is,
I feel like we're sitting here like bitching with no like real.
Like and here's how to fix it. Dear listener.
But it's like I don't really have like stuff like that is
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like the stuff that I really fundamentally struggle with
because you know, it's like okay, clutter manager, clutter,
you know, like whatever. But it's like when it's stuff
that is deeply intrinsically related to like depression and
like the struggle of like I don't know, caring for yourself
an existing it's just like it's a lot more complicated and I
feel guilty and weird that I don't have like a like and
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here's my top 10 solutions to fix it.
I'm just like complaining. So don't you mean?
Sorry. Dear listener.
I don't know what you mean. I mean I think any quote unquote
solutions that I could offer onetheir view but it's more of like
sometimes like Sometimes, I'm pretty good with hygiene.
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Yeah. But I don't I don't I can't
attribute that to physical things that I do.
Sometimes some things we can, I put my toothbrush on those side
of the thing so I like have to see it whenever I go to the
bath. You know.
Like that works pretty well for me.
And I always I'm a one towel guy.
I have one towel, that's it. And I hang it up.
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Hopefully. Usually, you know, in a place
and that stops me from getting like a big backlog of like dirty
towels is because I only have one, you know.
So like I Use that a couple times until I run out of clothes
and then I just throw the towel in with the clothes that works
for me. That also works really well for
dishes and silverware. Like if you live alone or with
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one person I have as many of a Dish as you have people living
in the house, plus one for guests and that way like you
literally can't fill your sink with dishes because you don't
have enough of them to do that. Like it's impossible that worked
for what for me for a while it stopped after I moved here
because new sink new kitchen, MyHope.
And got scrambled. I have 800 plates because I lie.
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I did the exact opposite. I do the exact opposite thing is
one of the things I'm realizing is your like a minimalist in
that way of like, that's your fix for, like a lot of your
executive function issues and - exactly the opposite, like I
will go buy more towels. Before I do a load of laundry,
it is such a toxic tree, I don't, I'm that way with
underwear. Yeah.
Like I songs honestly really go buy new towels or like new
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sheets and I realized that comesfrom like an immense amount of
Like privilege to, you know, butit's like I'll go to the fucking
good. Will, you know if I'm strapped,
don't be like, here's my dollar sheet or, you know what I mean?
Like, when I think when it, whenit, when I'm doing well, I I
can't it's hard for me to attribute it to any physical
things that I'm doing. I'm sure there are some but
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like, you know, wiping, no weed.I knew we were going to record
this episode today and I was been thinking, but I really
can't think of like oh when I dothis it's way better.
Except for those things I just mentioned, but I do notice that
it's It's always preceded by a feeling towards myself of this
person. Deserves to be clean.
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Yeah, and hygienic which is a hardest part.
I think I said in the cooking episode, which was also a year
and a half ago, that the hardestpart of cooking for yourself is
thinking of yourself as somebodyworse cooking for, and I think
the same is true with, with hygiene the hardest part about
it, for me, is Thinking of myself who's as someone who's
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deserving of not feeling like shit and their own body.
Yeah. And then after that, you still
have to deal with the executive dysfunction.
You have to deal with the fact, you might be immensely
depressed, but I think for me, it has to start there.
I have to I have a lot of them have to it.
It helps to start their to thinkof myself.
As I, you know, I'm worthy of Being whatever like it
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oftentimes when I'm, you know, doing hygiene things when I'm
really down in the dumps about myself and I feel ugly inside
and out, it feels sort of like, you know, if you had the same
shitty shit, shit car for 40 years or whatever you drive it
to work and it's just barely chugging along.
But, you know, you like what areyour waxing?
(27:54):
It you know you're detailing it.Like that's a car's a piece of
shit. You know what are you doing?
It kind of feels like that. It's like this futile.
Like why would I do this but that's stupid and who benefits
from that. Nobody benefits from that.
Yeah, I also I always feel like there's a little mean man in my
head and he's happy when I mean to myself and I am always trying
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to keep him happy and it's like,there's no little fucking may,
like, your nobody's benefiting from you being mean to yourself.
Like, yeah, that's not a thing. There's no party that is better
for it. Well.
So I also think about and I readthis quote, I think I just
played it. But on the last hygiene episode,
which is from Rick and Morty. Look at that, a straight white
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man, talking about Rick and Morty, sorry, I'm very
embarrassed by how much I liked Rick and Morty's, okay?
You've really likes old Miracle Moretti and I have like
secondhand embarrassment becauseI'm just like, I also it's I
don't know, it's whatever they're not like, oh my God, I'm
so smart because I get the jokesand Rick and Marty like, but I
would still like her and it's really good shots.
Look at writing but there's an episode where it's a long story,
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but Rick goes to therapy, it ends up with Rick in therapy and
he He gives this whole spiel about how therapy stupid.
He's very smart. So it'll sounds all cool and
normally like the writing, but what really made this sort of a
poignant moment to me is normally Rick's.
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Spiels is like the end of it because he's the smart guy, he's
the whatever. So you're kind of expect that to
happen but he doesn't the therapist comes back and gives
this monologue season to your playlist.
Susan Sarandon. Yeah.
Um, but I don't know if you'll indulge me, I'll paraphrase a
bit but it has to do with hygiene and I think it's really
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Good. But she shows up.
She says, Rick the only correlation I see between your
on questionable intelligence in the sickness destroying your
family, is it everybody in your family?
You included, use sickness or use intelligence to justify
sickness. Skipping some, he says, I've
known. I've no doubt that you would be
bored senseless by therapy the same way that I'm bored.
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When I brush my teeth and wipe my ass because the thing about
cleaning maintaining and repairing is that, it's not an
adventure. There's no Oh way to do it so
wrong, you might die. It's just work.
The fact of the matter is that some of us are okay with going
to work. Some of us would well, rather
die. Everybody gets to choose.
I think about that all the time.The you just have this, like,
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casually, whatever ice. I don't know.
I feel like I memorize things byaccident a lot, but, but I think
little is, it's just fucking work, you know, I keep wanting
to it to be like, You know, not only do I want this such like
strategies in place to make it easier like towel racks and that
kind of stuff. But I also want it to be high
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stakes, like I want to convince myself that it's like this epic
adventure and I need to get my equipment in my team together in
like form a fucking method like it's a goddamn Beef Wellington
or something so that I can win showering and I can win the
hygiene game but that's just notwhat it is.
It's just dumb bullshit that yougot to do because when you're
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born, You get a body and bodies get dirty by nature of existing
and you just have to do that. Like you don't literally have to
you know, it's up to you but it's just part of it, you know.
And I desperately want it to be more interesting and Grandeur
and higher Stakes, but it just never is going to be and that's
just what it is, you know. Yeah.
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And Very rarely well. So maybe a larger point that I
want to make, but no matter how dirty you get, you can always
shower the like, if you shower every day, you're exactly as
clean after showering as you are.
If you shower every two weeks, if you don't try for two weeks
and then you shower your back toclean.
(31:51):
Great, congratulations. You know, you're not, I mean,
it's take us. It's different at the reason I
hesitated that it's different with like Teeth.
Ya know, cuz your teeth can get permanently damaged.
But yeah. I can be okay with going to
work, but I also that was there's probably good place to
end but I also just wanted to say that my big sensory thing
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with showering is my feet. Getting dirty is like I get all
clean but then when you step outof the shower your feet, hit the
ground and now immediately they're probably still a little
wet. And now now there's ground Gunk
on the bottom of your feet and you put your socks on over it.
And it's like a little which thesolution to that is slippers our
slippers, which I thought about every week for the Ten fucking
(32:34):
years and I still don't have slow person.
That might my dude I got you have some, they're downstairs in
the dining room. I bought them when we were going
to go swimming. Oh yeah.
Solve that problem for you, preemptively.
Oh, I remember you said that andI didn't want you to be crossed
out of the locker of side wildflowers shower slippers,
sweetie. That's so nice.
(32:55):
Thank you so much. It's very thoughtful.
Welcome. Oh right.
You want to feel like everybody is news package like Katie,
Derek or gross. Ass.
I'm embarrassed. They bugged me out in their
gross on me out there, gross? No, like, I don't know, like to
close. Like I think that's part of it
as I think that part of it is like, we like one of the big
things that we've always had outto do, is for like destigmatize.
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A lot of these conversations do you suck?
Because it's really, I don't know.
Like I'm an adult and I'm prettyresponsible and I'm pretty
capable. But like, I struggle with
showering. I struggle with brushing my
teeth. I struggle with, like a lot of
it also becomes like impossible.Asks, ya know, if there's like
the container of food that's been like, you know, just that's
there and I'm like I should clean it and then I don't and
(33:40):
then he gets grocer and I'm like, well I don't want to do it
now because he's gross and I'll do it later but I just froze her
and grosser grosser but I don't want to do it.
The more that it gets gross. And so because it's impossible
task, instead of just like describe the fucking food in the
garbage Glide, grow up, you know.
And so sometimes it's like, I think you have to be like,
realistic. And looking at yourself and
being like, okay, like what kit,what can I do now that is going
(34:00):
to prevent that sort of like, stinging towel Quandary from
happening or make things even one percent better?
Yeah, you know, man, I think everything worth doing is worth
doing poorly. You know, maybe you're not gonna
do a whole epic, everything shower, which I just learned
about, it was, it was, it was a girl secret that they take
everything showers or they use all of their, this is not, I
know, you know this Katie but it's this is to to the people
(34:22):
who don't know whatever they didwhere they use everything.
They have all they use all the products they like if they shave
they shave. If they use a whatever special
mask thing that you like they doall of the things like a Fucking
process and it seems Delight. Okay, if you're up to it, you
were in the shower for 45 minutes have really good.
Acoustics is just sucking balls are.
(34:43):
Let's say this is you be King ofEverything showers?
Really I really like a face masklike a please.
Do I need to, I want really wantto start doing that kind of
stuff like the, the long-term stuff, because I do like
immediate cleaning or like, but I don't do the thing that's
gonna like we had a used in skincare.
Yeah, I need a recommendation. For Eric, please email us.
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We have a necklace. Podcast.com.
Oh yeah. I definitely skin care stuff.
I got, I got exome. Uh-uh ex-mafia normalize, having
axilla. What?
Alright everybody. Thank you so much for being
here. Tune in on Thursday or probably
atonally similar conversation about how all the stuff can
(35:25):
affect sex. I feel like I should.
You should have exciting sex an idiot.
She is your thing. I feel like I stole that from.
That's So Hard podcast right there.
Early dearest Astro. My name is on the playbill.
It's true. I forgot Haiti and Eric's Story.
How, wait till you meet Steve? You're fired.
Oh my God, Jake a mom. But before we depart everybody
(35:47):
very quickly, a few announcements and I was number
one Chocolate, milk, Emily. Forgot I was going to say I like
a thing and then I was like, ah shit.
I legitimately forgot. I'm doing so good.
I am. Do we want to talk about the
let's know what? Let's just talk about it.
Next week will make the big announcement next week, but then
(36:09):
also we're going to start looking at our convention
schedule for 2023. So we are a promise, I swear.
I swear on the grave of William Shakespeare himself, I will
We'll update the fucking website, but we'll get the
website updated and all that good stuff.
So, y'all know where you can start finding us and to 2023 a
couple of just me announcements is that, okay?
(36:32):
Yeah, sure. I'm going to be doing D3 at Sea,
this year, for the fall around. So over Halloween, if you want
to come play D&D at sea. With me that's at its how right
Cati e. Ya SE c-- a like on about yeah,
on a boat. So you can come do that if you
(36:54):
want. I'm doing D3.
Is he? And also, I would say that you
could come join us at Evermore, Park in Utah in May, but it sold
out so you can't sorry solo already.
I did sell out. Yeah.
But that's but yeah that's cool.Also we have a patreon so did
use the worst up to I'm so sorry.
(37:15):
Very out of practice. So it was holidays.
Quit the podcast. No, I'm not gonna do it.
I were her, I would say that. No, I'm really digging how my
voice sounds right now. I feel like it's Gravely and
cool. So I'm Gravely.
If you'd like to help support usin our other work that we do.
You can help by joining our patreons patreon.com slash
(37:36):
infinite Quest. Again, that's
patreon.com/lenguin it. Quests puked, subscribe.
Eric will call you a good girl. All you the thing to keep just
said and also don't forget that we are trying to get our review
(37:57):
numbers up over on the all the places where you can review the
podcast, we hit that we didn't hit the goal to bring, we hit
the club and we're pretty close to.
We're pretty close. We really want to hit 500
reviews on Apple podcasts and wesee how many people listen to
his podcast. So we know that More than 500 of
you. If you feel like going over
there and giving us a review, itis free, it takes less than two
(38:20):
minutes of your time and it really helps us out in terms of
getting sponsors and stuff like that.
So we'd be grateful and that's all I can think of cowboy boots
drive me nuts. I just think it's so funny
sentence. I think it's really funny,
really good. Anyways, from all of us, an
infinite Quest, remember to takeher meds.
(38:40):
I'm, and I'm gonna nail this. I got it really shake your meds.
Drink some water. Eat some food.
No, isn't that perfect snack to eat a snack?
Damn it. I didn't know is so scripted as
I try and keep it consistent. Oh, okay.
Well, right. Let's think about showering.
You know, if you don't it's not a failure, forgive yourself, if
you don't. That's okay.
No, you got this. Maybe you're in the shower right
now in which case, nice showers pictures, send us email us with
(39:04):
what bring mr. Speaker.
I'm broke. So I need I need a
recommendation name, although you look really good in that
shower, good job. Oh, there's are gonna meet us.
I know it was a joke because I was like we're in the shower
with them. Like oh yeah.
You look real good showering. Good job.
Good job. One slip.
Be careful and 80s music video. I'm sure our Montage little
(39:25):
exact see you slow mo. Oh yeah this is going really
well. See you in the shower and she
was absolutely. Cake, none of mine.
I don't think. But definitely some people are
(39:47):
definitely enjoying that commercial.
Very much for a very different reason for a very different
reason. And remember that we love you,
he's a member of a kind of yourself and kind of okay to be
kind to your oh no what is it? What what?
Let's, let's enumerate this bad boy.
They're all of us at every price.
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Remember to eat a snack, remember to drink some water.
Remember to take your meds. Remember to be kind yourself,
remember, be kind of remember that.
We love you and the elements youstart with water and then you
work your way up and the Titans water used bag.
Take your meds and the fifth of November be kind to yourself.
(40:28):
And what other remember, I Remember the Alamo the Titans,
remember the seasonal average about one?
Try to remember, the kind of September.
Oh yeah, that's good. You could do you remember that,
whatever? None of this is about, the
Murder Nova road, with my feet out Lido's can see
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