December 4, 2025 • 58 mins
Cate and Erik talk about doomscrolling, and how the infinite-scroll social media feed can take hold on an ADHD mind. They also talk about mongooses (mongeese?) for a surprisingly long amount of time.
Key topics: How doomscrolling takes hold on people with ADHD, how artificial intelligence apps cause doubt on the internet, methods of cutting down on doomscrolling, mongooses and how cute they are.
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Dude, have you seen all of the stuff that is like like all of.
The stories about like Chad. PD and stuff, it's it's getting
wild out there. God, it is getting wild out
there. Yeah, even like scrolling
through like Reddit and stuff isjust just contextually very
different because every single video that you see, the first
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question is, is that real? Like there's just a level,
there's no trust whatsoever thatwhat I'm seeing is actually a
thing that has happened until you go to the comments and
somebody's like, yeah, I've looked this up.
This is a video from 2000, whatever in the.
I think it was like a Swedish log riding competition where
they just ride big ass logs downa hill.
It looks super dangerous, but itlooks awesome.
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But I looked at it and my first thought was like, that's
awesome, I wish it was real. And then I looked and then
somebody looked it up and turns out it was real.
Unless the person who looked it up was also AI and the websites
that they linked to were also creative.
I mean it just cascades dude. It's scary, I'm scared, I really
don't like it. I what I also think is
interesting that I've seen happen multiple times on Reddit
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is people will post an AI generated photo.
They'll be like this photo was generated by AI.
Look at how good it is like we're cooked chat like they'll
they'll post that and then a bunch of comments are like, what
are you talking about? This is a real photo.
This is real. And they're like, literally,
it's not that. Like literally the person who
made it posted it saying this isAI.
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And there are still people in the comments insisting that it's
real. And that's wild to me.
Dude, that's that is super fucking wild.
I mean, after one, after COVID, obviously I don't trust at at
large. At large.
I am aware that there's a sizeable portion of people who
will just willfully deny reality.
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But like that's like the opposite of denying reality.
That's like inflicting false reality.
Like that's like saying no, that's not happening.
They're like, no, dude, like yes, it is like no, I'm, I just
made that. Like I'm not saying like we're
not discussing whether or not this is AI.
I'm saying I just used AI to make this.
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Yeah, as like an example of AI has gotten progressively better.
Look at how easy it is to, like,fake an image.
And then there are people in thecomments being like, you're a
liar. This is a real photo.
Dude, this is fucking scary. You know what also kind of
scares me a little bit? Because this, this didn't happen
to me before, but this has started happening to me and I'm
really genuinely worried that like I, I've, I've, I've always
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kind of looked at AI as like interesting technologically,
like it is just a genuinely interesting thing that humans
are doing. You know how it should be used
and all that stuff. Holy fuck, what a can of worms.
But like it is interesting, but I've never enjoyed any AI
generated content. I've never like actually found
the video itself interesting or the image itself interesting.
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But lately I've seen a couple videos like in the last week
where it's some ridiculous thingthat could never happen.
You know, like a dog that's running down the street and then
it like jumps on a motorcycle and like does some weird shit.
And it all looks like really good.
And I'll find myself watching the video and enjoying it,
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knowing that it's AI and being like, well, I want to say not
caring because obviously I do care.
I'm talking about it now, but like they got me dude.
Like I watched the whole fuckingvideo and was like that's that's
really funny and it's only goingto get worse and holy shit do I
not need help scrolling through infinite content like it is.
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Like Sora, Like the like the, I didn't understand that Sora is
an app. Like I thought I was like, OK,
you go to like the little thing and you like makes you a video.
But I didn't understand that it is like a social platform where
people where it is just AI. It is, it is like scrolling
through TikTok, but every single, yeah, every single video
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is AI generated. And so there's like this like
there's like a competitive thing.
There's like a, you know, like people are are making like
different like fucking that guy Jake Paul or whatever the fuck
his name is like made it so likeyou can use his image and like
you can just do whatever you want with it.
And so like he like he is like in all of these different.
It's wild, but like the, I don'tknow, I have this like weird
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conspiracy theory and I don't, this isn't real.
I just want to stress though, this is not real.
But something that I've noticed as it used to be you like go on
like Instagram or like TikTok orwhatever.
And you know how people like clip shows and they're, you
know, it's like an episode of Grey's Anatomy, but there's like
30 clips because it's they're all like one minute long.
So it's like that, but now there's like filters.
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They put like a weird filter over the episode clip.
So it's like an episode of Grey's Anatomy, but it has this
like weird filter on it. And like my conspiracy theory is
that it's because it's like training us to like look at the
like at those and be like, oh, it looks kind of AI generated,
but like this is a real thing. And so it's like teaching us to
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like not think about it as much with like all the weird filters.
And I'm like, I'm sure it's justsomething where it's like they
put a filter on it because then that way the algorithm won't
catch that. It's like stolen conflict, a
stolen episode of Grey's Anatomywhere like, I'm sure there's
like a reason, but it like it weirds me out.
It weirds me out that all of thevideos now that are like clips
of other things all have this weird like smooth filter on it
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that like does not need to be there because it doesn't exist
in the show. It's weird.
I don't. I don't know you know what I'm
talking about. That I totally know what you're
talking about and I feel I felt the same way.
We're at my immediate I thought was, yeah, frankly, like
conspiratorial. I was like, oh, they're trying
to, to train us to not care thatthat's what things look like and
add some like grains of you, no doubt in our head of like, well,
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dude, that's what regular video looks like too.
Have you seen Grey's Anatomy recently?
Cause the last 50 times I've ever seen anything from Grey's
Anatomy, it's been on some random thing on TikTok or social
media. You know, it comes up, it does
the little compilation thing andyou boy likes, likes to scroll.
But I feel like it's probably because whatever version they're
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posting has been like compressedand zipped and whatever like a
billion times. But I do think like the, I don't
think it's intentional, but I dothink the effect that it has is
training us to just be like, whatever.
Like that's what things look like.
I don't think about it anymore. At first I was like, man, Grey's
Anatomy looks fucking weird on this, whatever this person did
to it. But now I'm just like, yeah,
this person ripped Grey's Anatomy and fucking slapped it
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on up here. Dude, Speaking of being on the
Internet too much, can I confessto you within?
Yeah, sure. I went to bed.
I got in bed at 11:30 last night.
I was so tired. I was so tired.
I was like, I got to get some sleep.
I'm going to go to bed early. Got in bed at 11:30.
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Do you know what time I fell asleep?
Eric Goon. What time?
3:30 in the morning, Do you knowwhy?
Why is that? I got stuck doom scrolling.
Yeah, dude. So like to the, but the point
where I was like aware of it, I was, I was like, you got to
stop, you got to stop, you got to stop.
You got to put the phone down, you got to stop, you got to
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stop. But like, I don't remember, I
don't know why. And this is the, one of the
things that I like about myself the least is that I do this
thing where it'll be like 1 11 and I'll be like, OK, I'll, I'll
watch until 1:15 and then I won't be paying attention.
And then it'll be like 117. And then I'll be like, OK, well,
I'll just, I guess I'll watch until like 130 and then I'll be
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132. And I'm like, well, fuck, I
guess I'll like and I just like my bad.
I can't. And it's, it's so bad and it's
like becoming an actual problem in my life.
Dude, it really absolutely me too.
Yeah, I have also committed the very same sin like so many
times. I'm not even thinking of like an
instance of it. Just generally like, yeah,
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that's what it looks like when Iget into bed now.
Like or special. Like the worst is in the morning
if I don't have a set reason to get out of bed, you know, like
if I don't have a place, I have to be at a time.
Like I I'm just going to fuckingadmit it.
I'm just going to admit it. Like I have burned an 8 hour
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day. Like, I'll wake up at whatever
time and then just fucking scroll until whenever.
Like there are probably breaks where I get up and like, go make
food or like, go do a thing. But like, what I am doing that
day is scrolling through TikTok or Instagram reels or whatever.
Yeah. And dude, you're not alone.
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I hope you don't feel too guiltyabout that because like, that's
what they're designed to do. I honestly, I don't feel guilty.
I like more than anything I'm curious, and I think part of it
is because of what we know aboutADHD and how like, I mean the
algorithm, like the algorithmic serving of content via just like
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this dopamine drip is like one of the most nefarious things to
ever have happened in human existence, I think, but also
doubly so for people with ADHD. Like, I like the algorithm
itself is just predatorily terrible for people with ADHD.
But so it's like I think about that kind of stuff.
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I think about like people with ADHD and like are, are being
more prone to addiction, more prone to like dopamine seeking
and even like even just like allof the different ways that it
ties together, like our, our lack of time perception, right?
Executive functioning, like switching tasks, like putting
the phone down, going to do something else.
That is a executive functioning thing.
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That's a task switch. And so when like the, the, the
scrolling is the dopamine and the scrolling is like, you know,
and then you're like your time perception is off and it's just,
it's so hard. And I it's, it's just so hard.
And it's also harder for us to remember the intentionality
behind not doing it. Like if I'm scrolling too much
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and I'm like, oh, I got to stop scrolling.
I got to do something with my hands or go outside or whatever,
I'll stop, I'll put it down, I'll do something else.
My brain feels weird. And then all of a sudden I will
have been scrolling for 1/2 an hour.
Like I skipped the step of like,oh, am I going to pick up my
phone and go back on TikTok or something like that?
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Like I don't recognize that happening.
Yeah, I'll just be like, oh shit, I have been scrolling for
when the fuck did I even pick upmy phone?
Like how does that there's an immediacy to it that like it's
just horrifying. Like the moment you open your
phone, it's like between sittingat rest towards new video
playing, like 100% content viewing possibility is like a
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couple seconds and it's there's no ramp up.
There's no like there's no like thing you have to do beforehand.
It's just zero to and now it's happening and it just goes for
as long as you want it to and everybody has access to it,
including children and more. So massive corporations are
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making money off of us doing it.So it's going to be
incentivized. I don't know, like it's we're,
we're so in a position to be screwed by that.
I don't know. I think one of the things we
should start doing about it is just like having less shame
about it and just like talking about it.
Like, dude, I scrolled so fucking much yesterday.
Like, Oh yeah, dude, me too. Hey, like let's let's go to the
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park or something. You know, I don't know what
whatever people did before social media, it's.
That's I think one of the more insidious aparts about it too,
is that I'll make the I'll make the concerted effort.
I'll be like, I've been scrolling too much like I got
it. I'm gonna gonna go to the park,
I'm gonna read a book or whatever.
And then First off, my intentions, man is fucking
cooked. Like I've been working my way
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through like 5 different books and I'm reading, you know, a
paragraph or two at a time. And then I'm like, what
happened? And then, you know, and it's,
I've never had that before. And like I've, it's scary.
It is scary how much I'm like noticing that it's impacting my
ability to do other stuff. But then it's like I'll be at
the park and I'll be like, wow, some trees, some birds, some
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plants. I wonder if there's an
interesting video about trees orbirds or plants or like the
trees and the birds and the plants really aren't hidden.
But there are cute dog videos onTikTok that I can watch while
I'm at the park. And it's kind of like being out,
you know, I'm outside and scrolling.
So that's different and it's really unhealthy.
It's really unhealthy. And then, but then I also am
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conflicted because it's like I'mpart of the problem.
Like I am making content and like, you know, the goal of my
content is to help people. The goal of my content is to,
you know, entertain and make people's lives better.
But as I worry about that, I worry about like, am I part of
the problem? And how do you, you know what I
mean? And then and then, sorry, I'm
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just like ranting at this point.But like, and then it also makes
me mad because you get punished if you're not like scrolling,
right? So like, if you just like post a
video on TikTok and then just like dip out of the app, they
won't push it as much as it as if you like post your video and
then you stay on the app for like 20 minutes and scroll and
comment on other people's videosand like and like interact with
stuff because they're like, oh, that we want you to be a good
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TikTok citizen. That's literally what they call
it. We want to be a good TikTok
citizen and we want you to like participate.
And so it's like, you're like, you have to like, if you want
any decent audience, you got to.And it just, it, oh, it makes me
so angry. Yeah, it's really a horrifying,
like, little cycle. And there's also, I think the
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when it comes to like, I don't know, baked goods, there's only
a certain amount of baked goods to be sold in a given day.
You know, like if every single shop was a baked goods shop,
most of them would go out of business because the people
aren't just buying that many baked goods.
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But if you get people really, really addicted to scrolling
through their phone, these are short videos.
Like one person can easily watchthousands, thousands of videos.
The demand is astronomical. And so people like us and a lot
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of people in general, they're always tantalized by like, and
you could be 1. And then TikTok has this weird,
well, I don't want to say TikTokonly, but you know, Instagram
has this weird like abusive relationship where they reward
you for doing what they want by giving you a bunch of views and
punish you if you're not. There's just like infinite
demand for it. And so it becomes like the
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self-sustaining economy where not only is it like the product
that people are getting addictedto and going through, those
people who are watching the content are also and like
incentivized to keep watching toas if to like do research
because they also might be on the other side of the screen one
day. Like it's, it's such a
self-sustaining thing where likeit's the interest in it begets
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more of it. And I, I don't, I don't know,
it's, it's just a massive thing.I saw a video today and it was a
guy well, and you didn't even see the guy.
You saw a foot and a leaf and itwas this guy stepping on a leaf.
And that video had 9.5 million likes and it was just a guy
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stepping on a leaf. And there was just something
about that. And I watched it.
I was like, oh, that was satisfying.
And then I, I like, I went away and I was like, I could go step
on a leaf. I could have that experience in
my own life. I could just go outside, right?
There's, there's leaves everywhere.
I could go outside and I could step on a leaf.
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But instead I spent 30 seconds of my God-given life on this
earth watching another person step on a leaf on a video on my
phone. I could just go outside and step
on a leaf. I mean, I think that's, I think
that's part of what makes it so potent is your brain doesn't
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know the difference sometimes. You know, it hears the sound.
You still get that satisfying feeling, but you also get to
stay recumbent. You get to stay in bed or you
get to stay on the couch or you get to keep watching the show
that you're also watching in thebackground while scrolling.
Like we've figured out this way as a species to like, would you
like all the the benefits of doing this thing, like the
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experience of doing this thing or or this this thing that
another person is doing while also getting to remain
monumentally comfortable? Like that's, that's a hell of a
drug, dude. And especially, I mean, like if
I wanted to go step on a leaf asa person with ADHD, I'm probably
not wearing shoes. I got to go put on shoes.
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I might not be wearing pants. I got to go put on pants now,
like that's a whole thing. I might be dehydrated.
So getting up makes me kind of go, oh, juice, water or
something like that. And then going to go outside and
the temperature change is going to be different.
It's going to touch my skin and it's going to make my nervous
system go, oh, God. And I go, Eric, it's OK.
It's just a different temperature out here and then I
have to go violate. Like there's so many different,
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I mean the classic idiots D struggle of cascading tasks.
There's so many different thingsbetween you and the thing,
whereas the only thing in between you and the next TikTok
is a twitch of a single muscle. It's a twitch of the thumb.
It's definitely not a single. Muscle but a twitch of the
thumb. I feel like it's like.
Maybe like two or three, but like not very like a like a
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shockingly small amount of muscle, small amount of muscles.
That is, that is for Truesies, but it's, it really is just
tailor made for people with ADHDto get addicted to it.
And I don't know, I, I think I, I kind of, there's a, there's a,
a principle, I can't remember itand it really bothers me because
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I don't want to lose my train ofthought to look it up.
But some situations have to get worse.
It's, it's better if situations were worse than if they weren't
as bad. The analogy that I always hear
is if there was a store, a placewhere a minute away from you is
a minute or sorry, a mile away from you, you might walk to that
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place because it's a mile away, let's say maybe less.
I don't know if I'd walk a mile,but like, let's just say a mile
away. You'd walk there, which takes
you, I don't know, 10 minutes. I don't know how long it takes
to walk 1015 minutes. If that place was 5 miles away,
you'd probably drive there and it would only take you like 7
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minutes. So the place being further away
means it takes less time for youto get there because you have to
employ more heavy strategies to get there, a car in this case.
And so I remember like back before, like social media
proper, you know, 2011, like I would spend a lot of time on the
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Internet, a lot like an unhealthy amount of time on the
Internet. But it was more intentional.
You had to actively click on things.
You had to actively choose whereyou were going to go.
You just sift through a bunch ofshit on Reddit or whatever you
were looking at. Like it was, and it was probably
unhealthy, but it wasn't so bad that I really felt the urge to
do anything about it. You know, like I could easily
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just sit on my computer forever and just kind of like click
around, but it didn't feel like I was doing anything really
wrong. Whereas now it is so high octane
and so easy and and so I don't know what.
So what's the word languid? I don't know.
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Is that a word? No, I mean, yes, it's a.
Word. That it, it just, it feels
egregious and I feel the urge to, to address it, you know, And
so I feel like the one good thing about it being so dominant
and so present in all of our lives is that we, we have to
talk about it and we have to notice it and go, oh shit.
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Like, dude, I am spending a lot of time just consuming content
and not a lot of time like engaging with the world around
me and, and thinking my own thoughts and stuff.
So. Perhaps that's a?
Silver lining, but it's only a silver lining if you would do
address it. So like, what do you, what do
you, what do you think about what are you thinking about
doing about it? I.
Mean I've I've tried a lot of different things That's that's
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the interesting thing is is thatit feels like a horror movie
where, you know at the end they killed the bad guy and then it's
like Michael Myers always like actually didn't get stabbed that
much like I was a surprise he was he woke up.
You know, that's how I feel likebecause it's like I've tried all
sorts of different things. I've like, like a lot of it is
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like intentionality, right? So it's like, OK, like I'm not
like I've made a very, very specific point of not not
getting on social media until I've like had my coffee.
So like I wake up in the morning, I don't look at my
phone. I take Bailey out, go for a
walk, that kind of stuff. So I was like, I've been trying
to do that. But even then sometimes even
then sometimes like I check a text, I check my texts, I check
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my as people will like send me stuff or when I'm like, whoops,
now I'm scrolling, right. I've tried doing like the, like
the, the bed timers where it's like you put the, the app on
your phone and it's like, OK, it's like 9:00 PM you can't
access these apps. And I'm like circumvent,
circumvent, circumvent. Like I'll just, you know what I
mean? I've tried setting time limits.
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I've tried to be like, OK, like I do need to at least kind of
know what's going on. Like it's helpful to know if
there's like a relevant TikTok trend or like, oh, no, somebody
got cancelled, like whatever. So it's like, OK, I'll I'll
purposely give myself an hour. I'll do like a block of time, an
hour of social media and then I'll be done.
But that it's just, and so like things have lasted, but they're
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all very imperfect and they're all very changeable.
And there's also this sense of Ithink kind of, I don't like
burnout, exhaustion, just like like weariness of the medium in
terms of like, I'm kind of like,I do it, but I'm not necessarily
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even like enjoying myself. It's not like the videos that
are especially on TikTok cause Tik Tok's algorithm is just
fucking garbage. You know, it's like all like
TikTok shop and like all of thisshit that I don't care about.
And I'm just like, and I'm wild scroll, I scroll past, but I'm
like, OK, so that's their OK. I don't care about this video.
I don't care about this video. I don't care about this video.
And this like weird, bizarre anti joy is like permeating the
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use of social media. And so I've been trying to like,
OK, instead of being on social, instead of doom scrolling, I'm
going to listen to an audio bookor I'm going to listen like Josh
Johnson. I'm like fucking, I love Josh
Johnson so God damn much. But I'm like, OK, I'll like,
I'll listen to like a Josh Johnson special, the special of
the week. I'll do that instead or
whatever. But like I haven't found aside
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from like just deleting the appsoff of my phone, which isn't
practical because this is my job.
It's like I have not found a good way of not getting stuck.
And it's like, but then it's thegetting stuck that fucks me
because it's like the it's, it was like last night, like I'm
like, just put the phone down, just put the phone down.
Just put the phone down, just put the phone down.
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Just like, OK, we're done. Like we can be done.
Like just, but then my but but just one more video, one more
video. We'll just like wait till 1:30.
It's 128. We'll just watch a couple more.
We'll just nice round Number. We'll close the nice round
Number. And it's just, and it just got
to the point where I was just like literally crying from
exhaustion and being like, I have to, you know what I mean?
And I was like, this is fucking dismal.
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It really I I. I agree with there's this like
permeating misery throughout it.There's like this.
I don't like, I don't know, it feels like there's a perfect
word for it somewhere out there.But but I know what you mean.
We're like, I'm not sitting hereenjoying this, really.
Like, I'm not sitting here goinglike, yeah, this is awesome, you
know, but I am sitting here feeling some kind of way.
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What the, what is that? Like, what kind of way am I
feeling right now that it's preferable to feeling how I
would feel if I was not doing this and invested in it?
Like, to me, I have a huge problem with comfort.
Like I like being comfortable physically, but also being
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mentally comfortable. I mean, I, I, the line sort of
is really blurry for me, like ofwhat is mental comfort versus
physical comfort? But I will note that I am not
mentally uncomfortable when I'm scrolling.
I'm not necessarily happy. Sometimes I'm way not happy if
my algorithm is spitting me justdoomer content about the state
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of the world, you know, like I am very often actively unhappy,
but I'm not worried about what'sgoing to happen next.
Like I'm not worried about how I'm going to spend the next 20
minutes. And when I'm not scrolling, if
I'm doing anything else, the questions of what am I going to
do next? Am I doing the right thing?
Am I spending my time in an appropriate way?
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Am I like, should I clean the kitchen or should I work on that
creative project I've been doing?
And granted, when I'm scrolling,I am positive that I'm not using
my time in a way that I wouldn'tlike, but I'm I'm surrendered to
it and I am actively stimulated.There's no question that as long
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as I keep doing this, I will be stimulated and I won't have to
contend with the massive amount of discomfort that comes with
boredom and figuring out what todo about it.
And I, so I think recognizing what the feeling is that
scrolling is doing for you, likewhat if if it's not direct
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pleasure, which, you know, sometimes it is, what really is
it doing for you? And I think the answer for me is
it's deciding how to spend my time.
For me. It's, it's because you can do it
infinitely. You know, it, it will last as
long as you keep twitching your thumb.
And that's really fucking scary.Yeah.
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It's I don't know. And I I also wonder about just
like the psychological Reaper cut like I'm thinking about like
one of the okay, sorry. I'm so one of the best videos
that I ever saw about social media was just this woman who
was like, tell me the last 12 videos that you watched, what
were they about? And I was like.
Fuck and like, but that really made me think.
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That really made me start thinking about like how much of
it is just mindless, like a guy stepping on a leaf or, you know,
whatever. Like what is actually providing
value? Like what?
What am I actually getting out of the content that I'm I'm
consuming? But the just absolute like like
absolutely psychological mind fuck that is like scrolling
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through and it's like, oh, here's like a cute video of like
a dog doing something goofy. Here's video of a child dying in
Palestine. Next video.
Here's a teenager dancing. Next video.
Here's a video of someone embracing their beloved dog for
the last time while they're putting it down.
Like just like these like like these crazy like one 80s of just
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like the rawest types of like human emotion that people are
now like putting online for the sake of like.
I don't know like. Sharing, you know what, like
raising awareness or like whatever.
And it's like, that is what I struggle with.
Like that is one of the things that I struggle with is like, I
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OK, so I was just minding my business and now I've seen a
child die, I've seen a dog die. Like I'm emotionally
dysregulated. So I'm going to keep scrolling
because maybe they'll be a happier video that makes me feel
better that like that makes me less dysregulated from this
thing that just happened. But guess what?
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Instead it's like a doomer videoor like of the whole world is
going to explode and you know, start like it keeps it like I
keep getting like prepper content.
They keep like stock up all yourcanned goods.
The world is ending. And I'm like, I have anxiety,
like I have profound anxiety. Like this is not good content
for me. And it like it's gotten to the
point where like I've had to like block accounts.
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I've had to be like, do not showme this comment.
And they still will. That's the fun part.
You can be like, I'm not interested.
Don't show this to me. And the algorithm.
It's like, but we're going to anyway.
And so it's, I don't, it's just,it's such like a, from an
emotional regulation standpoint,it can be so difficult to come
out of that because even when, when you're like, OK, I'm
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feeling a little bit better, like the, the shock of that
video, that the surprise of thatvideo has worn off.
Now I'm self soothing by like continuing to scroll, but like
the scrolling is still giving methese like different emotional
experiences, Yeah. I know what you mean.
I think the. Huge like emotional swings in
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the contrast between the abrupt contrast between like feel good
happy stuff and holy fuck that'sdark stuff and everything in
between and and to the side and all of whatever.
Like just a massive variety of different ways a video can make
you feel in that moment followedby something completely
different. I, I feel like that's got to be
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part of it, Like the, the huge swings because it's, that's not
boring, you know, like that's, Idon't think what our brains are
meant to do from like an evolutionary standpoint, but
it's not boring. You know, we're going from like
running away from a tiger to cuddling with our our our spouse
in a cave next to a fire to likewatching your young son like
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catches first Mongoose or whatever, like all right next to
each other. Like that's those things.
We're supposed to have space in between them, you know, I
remember when. I caught my first Mongoose.
I still think like Mongoose are terrifying, aren't they?
Like I feel like it's one of those things like a badger where
it's like it seems like, oh, it's cute, but like it's really
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vicious and horrifying. I don't know somebody so but can
somebody comment on this video, please or on this on this
podcast, please? I have somebody's special
interest is Mongoose. I I know it.
So Mongoose. Are like 7 inches long.
They're very small. Really.
Yeah, Mongoose is a small terrestrial carnivorous mammal,
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and they range from. There's 11 species native to
Africa. Oh, they're adorable.
Yeah, they're not at all. They range from 9.4 inch to 22.8
inches, excluding a tail. They're like, just little guy.
They're like, they look like cats ran into squirrels really
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quick. Yeah.
That's I'm going to go ahead andand retract in my previous
statement. You should not catch Mongoose.
You should let them live their adorable little lives because.
Animal were you thinking of? I think I was probably.
Thinking a honey badger or like a, you know, something like that
or like a, like a Tasmanian devil kind of thing.
Or a Wolverine. A Wolverine.
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Yeah, sure. You know, yeah, this is, these
are, these guys are. Those ones too cute.
These guys are too cute. Mongoose are super.
Cute. Those other ones will ruin your
day. Don't hunt.
Mongoose new merch just dropped.Don't hunt.
Mongoose don't do it. Don't do it.
Do you hunt any Mongoose today? No good.
They're like different. Colors.
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There's the the Hilo Gale, he's like a little Gray boy.
And then there's the Cerakata Desmarest.
He's really cute. He's like, I don't want to.
Brand all different. Flavors.
I'm on a. 31 year streak of not hunting any Mongoose.
I'm so proud of you. Pretty good, right?
I. And I'm feeling good about
today, too. I am.
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I'm feeling good about today. There's still time now.
We'll see. Oh my God, can you what?
If you just like, accidentally caught a Mongoose, fuck.
No, no, no. No, no, no, no.
There's one like trapped in my apartment and I'm like, we have
to get rid of this. Well, Eric, why is it so
important we have to free this Mongoose?
Like I don't think you. Understand this Mongoose.
Cannot die in here like it has to go about its business.
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You go to the zoo. And there's like one of like,
put this little pop on the glass.
Hello. Eric.
Hello, Eric. Is it?
Fucking scandal noted. Fuck turfs.
But parcel tongue? It's like Mongoose Mongoose
tongue in Harry Potter with Mongoose Mongoose guy.
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I don't know what's the. Did you know that A.
Meerkat is a type of a Mongoose.They look really.
Similar. I noticed that, like the way
they, the way they poke up theirlittle heads, Yeah.
The form of the English name since 1698 was altered to goose
by folk etymology. It was spelled Mongoose in the
18th and 19th centuries. The plural form is mongooses,
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although mongese is also used. I feel like I'm going Mongese on
that one. Mongese.
Like that sounds. Fun, yeah.
Mongooses. I feel like mongooses is like
sillier, like a whole bunch of mongooses.
Yeah, now that you. Say it out loud.
Yeah, that does seem kind of silly, yeah.
I'm not mad about it though. And their claws non retractable.
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Oh, really? So they're always, yeah.
And species have a large anal scent glands.
Really. Wow.
Well, that is, that is certainlysome salacious.
Mongoose. Territory.
Oh, really? Oh, and they have, they're also
immune. Not immune, but they they
protect against snake venom. The modified receptors prevent
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the snake venom from binding. So they have they have like plus
one to poison defense. Oh yeah, they hunt.
Venomous snakes. Look at that.
Oh, these things are so cute. We went.
To a We went on a walk today andthere was like a full snakeskin
in somebody's yard that like a snake had shed.
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And Bailey lost her God damn mind.
Like it was a real snake. Like she like, she like jumped
way back and she tried to like run away.
And I was like, that's is not a it's a dead snake.
And she was unhappy having to confront the snakeskin, so we
had to continue walking. Oh yeah, what a.
Mind fuck, how do you how do youexplain to Bailey like there are
these things called reptiles andyou know how you shed?
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They also shed but wow do they do it.
They go hard on the shedding also not.
That this matters at all. But one of the guys who
classified and and like grouped mong geese into like, it's like,
you know, like taxonomy was a guy named Reginald Ennis
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Peacock. That's a made-up.
That's from a board game. Oh shit no actually JK it's
Pocock not I read it wrong I'm sorry I thought I said Peacock
but it was Pocock Reginald in his Pocock and.
That also sounds like a board game name, but they were like,
that's too effervescent of a name.
Peacock we got we got to shufflesome letters around or.
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Something he published 200 papers in 18 years at the
National History Museum. And then he became the
Superintendent of the London Zoo.
And then he died. Yes.
I'm also I'm going to go ahead and just throw my throw my vote
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in for the Indian grey Mongoose.OK, I like that.
One's the most. I like those fact about.
Reginald and his Pocock is his great.
His great grandfather was the marine artist Captain Nicholas
Pocock, who is an English artistknown for his many detailed
paintings of naval battles during the age of sailing.
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And that's interesting. See this is an.
Example of the kind of cool stuff you do when you're not
scrolling through your phone. I was.
Do you know what I was? Thinking about Do you remember
fucking StumbleUpon? Yes.
Oh, what I. I honest to God, I honest to God
feel like if, if there was like a StumbleUpon phone app cure my
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doom scrolling in a night, 'cause I'm like you would just
go. And it was just like, it was
like the best of the Internet. It was the the weird little
interesting website. Like I found so many like cool
websites, cool things, but I don't know, like weird research
rabbit hole deep dives. Like that's like my hobby
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though, like that's like that isthe thing that makes me the
happiest. And so I feel like one of the
issues that I have is my favorite thing is doing like
weird rabbit holes for research,but that also is like really
mentally taxing. And so doom scrolling is this
nice? Like, well, I don't have to look
anything up. I don't have to do any like, you
know, J store archival research and so like doom scrolling
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offers like a respite from the things that I like enjoy doing,
which is like AI feel like I just had like a therapy
breakthrough. I think maybe a little bit.
Interesting. Yeah, I can see that there's
there's, there's no decisions tobe made.
Whereas research requires a lot of decisions about where to look
for things, what to look up, howto, are you going to cross
reference it with something elseor something?
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Well, especially like with because I'm working on the not
to shoehorn it in here too hard,but I've been working on the on
the new show for the tour. And so deciding like what I'm
going to talk about for the showand like how I'm going to like
connect different things and like the the topics and
everything that's been like, there's a whole wide world out
there of like fascinating, interesting things.
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And so having to like think about that and be like, OK,
well, the clock's ticking. Like we're now in December.
So like by January, I have to have something like rehearsable.
So like we got to we got to start making some decisions.
And I think like the more that I'm feeling that pressure, the
more that I'm like, OK, I reallyhave to like decide what the
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show is going to be. The more that my brain's like,
well, we could doom scroll. We could watch 150 videos that
are going to not help us in any way, shape or form.
We could do that. We could do that instead.
Yeah, I also like. I don't want to frame like doom
scrolling as an absolutely inexcusable behavior for any
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duration of time or any like, like you doing all, all the cool
stuff you do and then being like, Oh, I'm just going to
scroll to my phone for a little bit and, you know, see where it
takes me. And you know what, like, I think
that's, that's I just want to make sure that like, I'm not
coming across as saying that it's inherently bad and nobody
should do it ever. Because I, I think, you know,
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dude, you know, Thai food's awesome if you ate Thai food,
greasy light, I mean, like all Thai food.
I mean, like, you know, if you ate pad CU for breakfast, lunch
and dinner every single day for years, that would be bad.
But like I'm not saying all padssee you should never read pads
see you. No, it's.
Well, that's the thing It's there's there's like it's like a
it's there's like a moderation to it.
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Yeah, because it's the same thing.
It's like we wouldn't have jobs as if it weren't for people who
were scrolling and we you know what I mean?
I'm like, I'm so grateful for the people who watch my content.
I'm so grateful for the people who like pay my bills like
that's awesome. Thank you for watching.
I appreciate the the point O four cents I get when you watch
my videos but. I personally am noticing that I
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am developing an unhealthy relationship with it.
Like I personally, me only I'm noticing that my relationship
to, to consuming content is becoming closer to like
mindless, endless scrolling thatis very difficult to break out
of. And that is the part that
concerns me. It is the fact that it is
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difficult to put my phone down. And I'm like, that's a problem.
That is a problem because if it is 2:30 in the morning and I'm
actively like yelling at myself in my head to like put the phone
down, you need to go to sleep. Like this is this is not what we
need to be doing. And I'm still like just a couple
more, just a couple more, just acouple more.
I'm like, that shit is unhealthy.
And I'm like, I'm willing to admit that on main.
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I'm willing to admit that. Oh.
Yeah, I mean, like last night, I, this happens to me a lot of
nights where like I'll, I'll be sitting there and I'll be
scrolling and I'll go, OK, seriously.
And I'll put my phone down and I'll like roll over and close my
eyes and just the loud silence. It's it's, it's like a musical
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score that's just all like 30 second note rests, you know,
like nothing is happening, but it's happening really fast.
And it's like, oh God, usually I'll pick my phone back up at
least one more time and it sucks, but like I can feel
myself and like I'll but, but I like, I want to like study that
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moment. Like what is that exact moment
where I'm like, you know, what is happening there?
Yeah. I just.
I think of like one more thing. That's my thing is I, I always
think of like one more thing andit's usually something that I
want to like know, like I get, you know, I'm like laying, I'm
like, OK, put my phone down, whatever.
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And I'm like, oh, I wonder wherejeans come from?
Like I wonder how they make denim or like whatever stupid
thing. And you know, and it's and a lot
of times I have to like talk myself down like, Hey, it's, I
love that you want to my little parts work, my little parts work
that I've been doing. Like I love that we want to know
where denim comes from. That's so cool.
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But it's 3:30 in the morning andI don't think we need to do that
right now. Like I don't think we need to do
that right now. But there is a lot, there is a
lot of talking myself out of it.There's a lot of a lot of times
where I will put my phone down for the night and then it's
like, Oh, I need to like buy a thing or I need to like do a
thing or I need to like check ona thing.
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And it's like it is 3:30 in the morning.
You don't need an answer, an e-mail right now.
You don't need to order whateverthe fuck it is right now.
Like you, you don't need to do that.
When my brain is just like it isinstantly an emergency.
It is instantly the thing that I'm focused on and I won't be
able to go to sleep unless I do the thing.
And like, it is exhausting having to talk yourself out of
like doing shit like that. Yeah.
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Does it, do you think like as you have that like internal
conversation with yourself, do you find it getting easier over
time, like you hone your arguments or or it's easier to
start doing it or does it feel roughly the same every time?
I think it. Depends on what it is like.
I really think it's sort of dependent on like the topic,
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right? Because if it's like, Hey, I
wonder where William Henry Harrison is from?
Like I'm like, hey, it's 3:30 inthe morning.
We don't it doesn't matter. We can look that up tomorrow, if
we even care about that in the morning.
And that's fine. But sometimes it's like, Oh my
God, did I pay the trash bill? Like, oh, it's it's I took the
trash to the curb tonight. Did I pay the trash bill?
Are they going to come pick up the trash?
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And now I'm spiraling about likewhat a fuck up I am and how bad
I am at managing money and I forget to pay my bills and like
my credit card is turned off because I forgot to pay the
money this month, you know what I mean?
And so then it becomes like thatspiral of like, Oh no, oh, no,
Oh no, Oh no, Oh no, Oh no. And so for me, the like, first
thing, I'm just like, I'll just check on the trash.
Like that's like the soothes. Like that's like the soothing
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mechanism. And so sometimes it's like, it
might just be easier for me to like look and make sure that I
pay the trash bill so I don't have to have all of the other
thoughts about like what a fuck up I am and, and how I'm like
struggling with money and like that kind of stuff.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's funny that you
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like a couple of things you brought up in the last couple
minutes have not been directly like doom scrolling, but I so
see how they lead to it because I do that too.
Like I'll pick up my phone to dosomething necessary or inane and
then TikTok will just end up opening or Instagram will just.
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End the same thing and so. Like that I, I, I think that's a
really interesting, I think it'sreally interesting how
seamlessly you went to like paying the trash bill is as bad
as starting to scroll because itis so likely to cause me to
start scrolling because TikTok is right there.
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Yeah. Yeah, like there's a lot of
times where I will pick up my phone to like, oh, I need to
send an e-mail and then 40 minutes later I like awakened
from like a blackout and I'm just like, what happened?
Fuck. And I was like, what was I
supposed to be doing? Oh, right.
I was checking I was going to send that e-mail or whatever.
And then I send the e-mail. But it's like that the automatic
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opening of TikTok or like the automatic cycling through
because it's not, it's not even just TikTok.
It's like now it's like Instagram and threads.
Threads is like real like I'm fucking I'm have a thread
problem and it's not I don't even like being on threats
because everybody's take is shitty and bad.
Like it's just bad, bad inflammatory takes that people
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are either posting in bad faith or they're posting because they
want to like rage bait people into getting views.
And so it's like none of the takes are good.
They're all things that people have like posted 100 times
before that people are acting like, is this like new thought
that they're having for the veryfirst time?
And it's just like, it's exhausting.
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And I'm like, why am I reading this?
Why do I give a shit? Why do I like stop, just put
your phone down. I'm like, OK, well, I'll look, I
guess like I'll go over to YouTube.
So I'm scrolling through YouTubeShorts and then it's like
Instagram real. And it just becomes this like
cycle of like cycling through all of these different apps when
the one that I'm currently on isn't like hitting anymore.
And then I'm still just like, ohfuck, I was supposed to be like
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sending an e-mail to our publisher or something.
Yeah, I think what I'm going to do, I I did this, I had AI had a
problem with phone games for a while.
I occasionally do like I'll findone that that does it for me and
I'll just spend way too much time for like a week playing
phone games. Is I would put them, I have a
lot of apps on my phone. I have like 10 scroll, you know,
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pages if you're scrolling through them is I would put them
on the very last page so that like I couldn't accidentally do
it, you know, like right now TikTok is on my home screen
because I use it for work and stuff.
And I also scroll the fuck out of it.
And so like I can very easily open something and then just oh,
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like it is A2. There is a 1 centimeter twitch
of my thumb before I'm back in it, you know, or if it's on the
last page, I have to go swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe,
swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe.
There it is talk. So I'm going to like, I'm going
to that's a simple, simple solution, but I'm going to I
think that would cut down for meon the on the one thing leading
directly into the other thing. I'm going to do that.
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It's a simple it's a simple thing I'm going to do and I'm
going to try it out. I did that with.
My resale apps, because I fucking love resale shopping so
goddamn much. And so I put them like all the
way at the end because then I have to like scroll all the way
through and they're all like in a folder and stuff.
I still am on them like nearly every day.
But I haven't bought as much stuff.
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It's more of just like now I just like put stuff and I like,
I like stuff, but I don't necessarily like buy something
every time. So I've gotten better.
I've gotten better. That's good.
Nice. I also there is a trend going on
right now of quote raw dogging it for an hour to reset your
attention span, where it's just it'll be the caption will be,
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you know, raw dogging it for an hour to reset my attention span
and it's just a person just sitting in a chair doing
nothing. Like.
Not like no fun just sitting there, like having a sit and
it's always a time lapse. So it's like a full hour of them
just sitting there. And I think that's interesting.
You know, I also think longer form media helps me get away
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from it because it's it's it's more like I've been reading more
lately because I have the I likestarted getting into the books
app on my phone and the physicalsimilarity to it to scrolling is
helping me read a lot more. Oh, that makes sense.
Because like. I'll be with a book.
There's like, you know, when youfirst start the book, the right
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side is thick. So if you're reading on your
side, you can prop it up on the right side, but you can't prop
it up if you're leaning on your left side because the left side
of the book is too thin. You know what I'm talking about.
And then as you get way through the book towards the end, you
can't lead on the right side because now there's very few
pages to the right of you. So it's a whole thing.
And my hands get cramped and it's, and I have a weird thing
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with the cover of soft cover books.
It's, it's, I don't like touching them.
They're just insane. They always just seem very dirty
to me for reasons I will not getinto right now.
But when I touch the the cover of a soft cover book, a used
soft cover book, I I can feel the spot on my hands until I
wash my hands next like I will what have you like.
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Wiped it with like a like a Lysol wipe, Yeah, I mean.
That helps. That totally helps.
But but still it's, it's, it's it's in there.
But so having it on my phone, like when I'm scrolling, I can
go like, wait a minute, like I'mreading a Scanner darkly right
now, you know, like what's happening in there like so I can
just kind of switch apps and read, but I'm like from the
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outside observer, I'm doing the same thing.
So a lot of the, you know, pathological demand avoidance
stuff doesn't come up because it's like, hey, as far as
anybody knows, I'm scrolling through my thumb.
Yeah, but I don't know what. I think it's a solvable A
solvable issue. But, well, I.
I kind of do the same thing. I've started doing more long
form content or like watching more long form content.
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I've also really tried. I've really been trying to not
doom scroll while I'm watching something else.
Like if I'm watching something, I'm watching something and it's
hot. Like it's so wild how often I'll
just like pick up my like not even think again, just like
unconsciously. Like I'll be watching a show and
there's like a slow part. I'm like, well, time to check my
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phone Like. And I was like, no, like we're
not doing that. We already said that we weren't
going to do that, remember? And I've also been listening to
a lot of like audio books, especially like at night before
I go to bed instead of like scrolling on my phone before I
go to sleep. I try to like listen to it like
a section of an audio book if I'm not feeling like reading.
I'm the opposite. I love, I love physical books.
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Like they're my, I just like books.
They make me happy. But I have been listening to a
really good book. It's called OK, it's called
Blitzed and it's about how like not like World War 2, like
Germany, Nazis, they were all onmeth.
They were just every single one of them.
They were all just absolutely fucking blasted out of their
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mind on meth for the entirety ofWorld War 2.
And it's crazy, like it's everybody was on meth.
They were just like more meth, please.
More meth, please. And it's this fascinating book
about like, hey, so this is, this is weird, right?
And it's like really interesting.
It's very good. So I'm having a really good time
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with that. And then I'm reading this other
book called The Professor in theMad Men.
And it's about this guy who did a murder and then he went to
jail. But then it turned out that he
was like just bat shit fucking crazy.
And so they put him in an insaneasylum and then he helped to
write the Oxford English Dictionary.
And that's a true story. Cool.
Dude, another great example of things that you can do if you're
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not scrolling through your phone.
Yeah, you can. Murder a dude and then write the
answer. Not in that order, Only in that
order you. Got to murder first.
I. Wish I think about this a lot.
Like I, I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes and and
perhaps it will, it will not ever happen.
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But I think like time travel, like if there is a way like I
would fucking kill to see like like some famous authors, like
Twitter accounts. Do you know what I mean?
Like there's just some some authors kind of like, I wish we
could just like bring back from the dead and be like, this is
Twitter, have fun. I just have to be like, I just
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wonder. I just wonder what Oscar
Wilde's. Twitter whole that's that's.
Immediately, that was the first person I always think of.
I always think of Oscar Wilde and Langston Hughes.
I think they would have killer fucking Twitter accounts.
And I was like, I just, I don't know.
And so I was like, I wonder whatWilliam Shakespeare would think
about doom scrolling, right? Dude, could you like work?
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Work is the curse of the drinking class.
Banger tweet dude. Banger, banger.
Every I was just like those, yeah, Banger tweets a cigarette.
Is a man's perfect pleasure. It is brief and leaves one
unsatisfied. What more could one want?
Boom, boom. So brilliant.
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Yeah, I was like. I would I don't know, but that's
that. I don't know.
So sometimes when I'm like reading, I'm just like, I feel
like I'm making the author proudbecause I feel like they might
be slightly disapproving social media.
Yeah I agree. Well Speaking of which I have to
finish editing a TikTok and postit onto the thing so people can
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watch it in between who knows what.
Also how to? Finish making a TikTok because
it's December 2nd, so you know what that means.
Oh, it's for. Pitching a new holiday movie
every day until one of them getsmade.
Gosh, years. Go by so fast now I know it's
been like. Still haven't made a single one
so I don't Our track record is very bad one day.
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Dude, one day it's just like law.
You just play the law of large numbers.
Eventually it'll happen actually.
I feel like a lot of the the ones that I pitched are not like
they'd be banger movies, but they would be really good TTRPD
campaigns, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is
definitely for true. Do you have any?
Business. It's not like business that
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people can like go to, but we'rerecording the audiobook next
week. We are.
So stay tuned for cool behind the scenes shit.
Yeah, we'll be. Making content about that, so
you'll be able to check that out.
I feel like, Dear listener, if you're here, you probably heard
this before, but it would be so rad if you went and signed up
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katiosaurus.com. That's going to be your best bet
(55:28):
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It's going to be we're going to put the tickets on sale there
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getting good, good seats for thetour, you can do that.
There's also going to be some surprise tour dates that are
getting announced. We've already added a couple
since we made the first list. So that's exciting and cool and
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neat. What else?
Surprise it was. Yesterday it was.
Yes, it. Actually was yesterday.
Oh shit, yeah, I guess. It was kind of.
And oh, and my holiday special is now a thing and you can watch
it over on the YouTube if you want. youtube.com/katiosource.
Yeah, we finally, finally made it.
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Finally got it edited. Shout out to Jeff at Trade
Movies Podcast for handling the videography and the editing.
Go give him follow too, if you wouldn't mind.
He's great and he breaks down movies and he's real smart, Real
smart cookie that Jeff. But yeah, I'm really proud of
it. So love for you to go check it
out it is. Very funny.
It is pure high octane Kate Osborne energy start to finish.
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No breaks, baby, No breaks. Not a break.
Not there were like 3 water breaks and I that was fast.
It got to the 45 minute point and I was like Oh no I still
have not done like I had that thought on stage and I was like
oh man, not a like workout to build stair.
I'm going to do my shows. Yeah, if you if you're here, you
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probably also heard the mid roll, which is pre-order the
book. But we'll tell you again,
pre-order the book, please, that.
Would make us happy. That would make.
The publishers. Happy with us and pat us on our
little heads. We just want a little.
Head that we just want a Gold Star from Simon and Schuster.
Yeah, I want them to. Say, wow, good job, good job.
I did a good job. Yes, I am saying we've been
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doing an excellent job. No, I wasn't talking to you as
talking to Simon or Schuster. Metaphorically metaphorical.
Simon and Schuster. Cool.
Anything else? No, I think that's it.
I mean, remember to be kind to yourself.
Of course, remember. To eat a snack.
I started right. In the middle, didn't I?
You did. Oh that's just my favorite one I
was going to try and save. It, but I guess we can just
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start there. We'll remember backwards.
Remember we can just go all the way backwards.
Remember to be kind to others, remember to be kind to yourself.
Remember to take your meds, remember to drink some water,
remember to eat a snack. Wow, that.
Was impressive. Thank you that was really good.
Wow well, I mean it it actually it and I suppose the remember
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that we love you. That's like the punctuation,
like at the very end that. That would always.
Occur at the end, yeah. And then we like.
I remember that we love you. So just just the order of
priority in which in which you attempt those things.
Dude, have you seen all of the stuff that is like like all of.
The stories about like Chad. PD and stuff, it's it's getting
wild out there. God, it is getting wild out
there. Yeah, even like scrolling
through like Reddit and stuff isjust just contextually very
different because every single video that you see, the first
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question is, is that real? Like there's just a level,
there's no trust whatsoever thatwhat I'm seeing is actually a
thing that has happened until you go to the comments and
somebody's like, yeah, I've looked this up.
This is a video from 2000, whatever in the.
I think it was like a Swedish log riding competition where
they just ride big ass logs downa hill.
It looks super dangerous, but itlooks awesome.
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But I looked at it and my first thought was like, that's
awesome, I wish it was real. And then I looked and then
somebody looked it up and turns out it was real.
Unless the person who looked it up was also AI and the websites
that they linked to were also creative.
I mean it just cascades dude. It's scary, I'm scared, I really
don't like it. I what I also think is
interesting that I've seen happen multiple times on Reddit
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is people will post an AI generated photo.
They'll be like this photo was generated by AI.
Look at how good it is like we're cooked chat like they'll
they'll post that and then a bunch of comments are like, what
are you talking about? This is a real photo.
This is real. And they're like, literally,
it's not that. Like literally the person who
made it posted it saying this isAI.
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And there are still people in the comments insisting that it's
real. And that's wild to me.
Dude, that's that is super fucking wild.
I mean, after one, after COVID, obviously I don't trust at at
large. At large.
I am aware that there's a sizeable portion of people who
will just willfully deny reality.
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But like that's like the opposite of denying reality.
That's like inflicting false reality.
Like that's like saying no, that's not happening.
They're like, no, dude, like yes, it is like no, I'm, I just
made that. Like I'm not saying like we're
not discussing whether or not this is AI.
I'm saying I just used AI to make this.
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Yeah, as like an example of AI has gotten progressively better.
Look at how easy it is to, like,fake an image.
And then there are people in thecomments being like, you're a
liar. This is a real photo.
Dude, this is fucking scary. You know what also kind of
scares me a little bit? Because this, this didn't happen
to me before, but this has started happening to me and I'm
really genuinely worried that like I, I've, I've, I've always
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kind of looked at AI as like interesting technologically,
like it is just a genuinely interesting thing that humans
are doing. You know how it should be used
and all that stuff. Holy fuck, what a can of worms.
But like it is interesting, but I've never enjoyed any AI
generated content. I've never like actually found
the video itself interesting or the image itself interesting.
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But lately I've seen a couple videos like in the last week
where it's some ridiculous thingthat could never happen.
You know, like a dog that's running down the street and then
it like jumps on a motorcycle and like does some weird shit.
And it all looks like really good.
And I'll find myself watching the video and enjoying it,
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knowing that it's AI and being like, well, I want to say not
caring because obviously I do care.
I'm talking about it now, but like they got me dude.
Like I watched the whole fuckingvideo and was like that's that's
really funny and it's only goingto get worse and holy shit do I
not need help scrolling through infinite content like it is.
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Like Sora, Like the like the, I didn't understand that Sora is
an app. Like I thought I was like, OK,
you go to like the little thing and you like makes you a video.
But I didn't understand that it is like a social platform where
people where it is just AI. It is, it is like scrolling
through TikTok, but every single, yeah, every single video
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is AI generated. And so there's like this like
there's like a competitive thing.
There's like a, you know, like people are are making like
different like fucking that guy Jake Paul or whatever the fuck
his name is like made it so likeyou can use his image and like
you can just do whatever you want with it.
And so like he like he is like in all of these different.
It's wild, but like the, I don'tknow, I have this like weird
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conspiracy theory and I don't, this isn't real.
I just want to stress though, this is not real.
But something that I've noticed as it used to be you like go on
like Instagram or like TikTok orwhatever.
And you know how people like clip shows and they're, you
know, it's like an episode of Grey's Anatomy, but there's like
30 clips because it's they're all like one minute long.
So it's like that, but now there's like filters.
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They put like a weird filter over the episode clip.
So it's like an episode of Grey's Anatomy, but it has this
like weird filter on it. And like my conspiracy theory is
that it's because it's like training us to like look at the
like at those and be like, oh, it looks kind of AI generated,
but like this is a real thing. And so it's like teaching us to
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like not think about it as much with like all the weird filters.
And I'm like, I'm sure it's justsomething where it's like they
put a filter on it because then that way the algorithm won't
catch that. It's like stolen conflict, a
stolen episode of Grey's Anatomywhere like, I'm sure there's
like a reason, but it like it weirds me out.
It weirds me out that all of thevideos now that are like clips
of other things all have this weird like smooth filter on it
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that like does not need to be there because it doesn't exist
in the show. It's weird.
I don't. I don't know you know what I'm
talking about. That I totally know what you're
talking about and I feel I felt the same way.
We're at my immediate I thought was, yeah, frankly, like
conspiratorial. I was like, oh, they're trying
to, to train us to not care thatthat's what things look like and
add some like grains of you, no doubt in our head of like, well,
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dude, that's what regular video looks like too.
Have you seen Grey's Anatomy recently?
Cause the last 50 times I've ever seen anything from Grey's
Anatomy, it's been on some random thing on TikTok or social
media. You know, it comes up, it does
the little compilation thing andyou boy likes, likes to scroll.
But I feel like it's probably because whatever version they're
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posting has been like compressedand zipped and whatever like a
billion times. But I do think like the, I don't
think it's intentional, but I dothink the effect that it has is
training us to just be like, whatever.
Like that's what things look like.
I don't think about it anymore. At first I was like, man, Grey's
Anatomy looks fucking weird on this, whatever this person did
to it. But now I'm just like, yeah,
this person ripped Grey's Anatomy and fucking slapped it
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on up here. Dude, Speaking of being on the
Internet too much, can I confessto you within?
Yeah, sure. I went to bed.
I got in bed at 11:30 last night.
I was so tired. I was so tired.
I was like, I got to get some sleep.
I'm going to go to bed early. Got in bed at 11:30.
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Do you know what time I fell asleep?
Eric Goon. What time?
3:30 in the morning, Do you knowwhy?
Why is that? I got stuck doom scrolling.
Yeah, dude. So like to the, but the point
where I was like aware of it, I was, I was like, you got to
stop, you got to stop, you got to stop.
You got to put the phone down, you got to stop, you got to
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stop. But like, I don't remember, I
don't know why. And this is the, one of the
things that I like about myself the least is that I do this
thing where it'll be like 1 11 and I'll be like, OK, I'll, I'll
watch until 1:15 and then I won't be paying attention.
And then it'll be like 117. And then I'll be like, OK, well,
I'll just, I guess I'll watch until like 130 and then I'll be
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132. And I'm like, well, fuck, I
guess I'll like and I just like my bad.
I can't. And it's, it's so bad and it's
like becoming an actual problem in my life.
Dude, it really absolutely me too.
Yeah, I have also committed the very same sin like so many
times. I'm not even thinking of like an
instance of it. Just generally like, yeah,
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that's what it looks like when Iget into bed now.
Like or special. Like the worst is in the morning
if I don't have a set reason to get out of bed, you know, like
if I don't have a place, I have to be at a time.
Like I I'm just going to fuckingadmit it.
I'm just going to admit it. Like I have burned an 8 hour
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day. Like, I'll wake up at whatever
time and then just fucking scroll until whenever.
Like there are probably breaks where I get up and like, go make
food or like, go do a thing. But like, what I am doing that
day is scrolling through TikTok or Instagram reels or whatever.
Yeah. And dude, you're not alone.
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I hope you don't feel too guiltyabout that because like, that's
what they're designed to do. I honestly, I don't feel guilty.
I like more than anything I'm curious, and I think part of it
is because of what we know aboutADHD and how like, I mean the
algorithm, like the algorithmic serving of content via just like
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this dopamine drip is like one of the most nefarious things to
ever have happened in human existence, I think, but also
doubly so for people with ADHD. Like, I like the algorithm
itself is just predatorily terrible for people with ADHD.
But so it's like I think about that kind of stuff.
(09:34):
I think about like people with ADHD and like are, are being
more prone to addiction, more prone to like dopamine seeking
and even like even just like allof the different ways that it
ties together, like our, our lack of time perception, right?
Executive functioning, like switching tasks, like putting
the phone down, going to do something else.
That is a executive functioning thing.
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That's a task switch. And so when like the, the, the
scrolling is the dopamine and the scrolling is like, you know,
and then you're like your time perception is off and it's just,
it's so hard. And I it's, it's just so hard.
And it's also harder for us to remember the intentionality
behind not doing it. Like if I'm scrolling too much
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and I'm like, oh, I got to stop scrolling.
I got to do something with my hands or go outside or whatever,
I'll stop, I'll put it down, I'll do something else.
My brain feels weird. And then all of a sudden I will
have been scrolling for 1/2 an hour.
Like I skipped the step of like,oh, am I going to pick up my
phone and go back on TikTok or something like that?
(10:39):
Like I don't recognize that happening.
Yeah, I'll just be like, oh shit, I have been scrolling for
when the fuck did I even pick upmy phone?
Like how does that there's an immediacy to it that like it's
just horrifying. Like the moment you open your
phone, it's like between sittingat rest towards new video
playing, like 100% content viewing possibility is like a
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couple seconds and it's there's no ramp up.
There's no like there's no like thing you have to do beforehand.
It's just zero to and now it's happening and it just goes for
as long as you want it to and everybody has access to it,
including children and more. So massive corporations are
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making money off of us doing it.So it's going to be
incentivized. I don't know, like it's we're,
we're so in a position to be screwed by that.
I don't know. I think one of the things we
should start doing about it is just like having less shame
about it and just like talking about it.
Like, dude, I scrolled so fucking much yesterday.
Like, Oh yeah, dude, me too. Hey, like let's let's go to the
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park or something. You know, I don't know what
whatever people did before social media, it's.
That's I think one of the more insidious aparts about it too,
is that I'll make the I'll make the concerted effort.
I'll be like, I've been scrolling too much like I got
it. I'm gonna gonna go to the park,
I'm gonna read a book or whatever.
And then First off, my intentions, man is fucking
cooked. Like I've been working my way
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through like 5 different books and I'm reading, you know, a
paragraph or two at a time. And then I'm like, what
happened? And then, you know, and it's,
I've never had that before. And like I've, it's scary.
It is scary how much I'm like noticing that it's impacting my
ability to do other stuff. But then it's like I'll be at
the park and I'll be like, wow, some trees, some birds, some
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plants. I wonder if there's an
interesting video about trees orbirds or plants or like the
trees and the birds and the plants really aren't hidden.
But there are cute dog videos onTikTok that I can watch while
I'm at the park. And it's kind of like being out,
you know, I'm outside and scrolling.
So that's different and it's really unhealthy.
It's really unhealthy. And then, but then I also am
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conflicted because it's like I'mpart of the problem.
Like I am making content and like, you know, the goal of my
content is to help people. The goal of my content is to,
you know, entertain and make people's lives better.
But as I worry about that, I worry about like, am I part of
the problem? And how do you, you know what I
mean? And then and then, sorry, I'm
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just like ranting at this point.But like, and then it also makes
me mad because you get punished if you're not like scrolling,
right? So like, if you just like post a
video on TikTok and then just like dip out of the app, they
won't push it as much as it as if you like post your video and
then you stay on the app for like 20 minutes and scroll and
comment on other people's videosand like and like interact with
stuff because they're like, oh, that we want you to be a good
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TikTok citizen. That's literally what they call
it. We want to be a good TikTok
citizen and we want you to like participate.
And so it's like, you're like, you have to like, if you want
any decent audience, you got to.And it just, it, oh, it makes me
so angry. Yeah, it's really a horrifying,
like, little cycle. And there's also, I think the
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when it comes to like, I don't know, baked goods, there's only
a certain amount of baked goods to be sold in a given day.
You know, like if every single shop was a baked goods shop,
most of them would go out of business because the people
aren't just buying that many baked goods.
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But if you get people really, really addicted to scrolling
through their phone, these are short videos.
Like one person can easily watchthousands, thousands of videos.
The demand is astronomical. And so people like us and a lot
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of people in general, they're always tantalized by like, and
you could be 1. And then TikTok has this weird,
well, I don't want to say TikTokonly, but you know, Instagram
has this weird like abusive relationship where they reward
you for doing what they want by giving you a bunch of views and
punish you if you're not. There's just like infinite
demand for it. And so it becomes like the
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self-sustaining economy where not only is it like the product
that people are getting addictedto and going through, those
people who are watching the content are also and like
incentivized to keep watching toas if to like do research
because they also might be on the other side of the screen one
day. Like it's, it's such a
self-sustaining thing where likeit's the interest in it begets
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more of it. And I, I don't, I don't know,
it's, it's just a massive thing.I saw a video today and it was a
guy well, and you didn't even see the guy.
You saw a foot and a leaf and itwas this guy stepping on a leaf.
And that video had 9.5 million likes and it was just a guy
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stepping on a leaf. And there was just something
about that. And I watched it.
I was like, oh, that was satisfying.
And then I, I like, I went away and I was like, I could go step
on a leaf. I could have that experience in
my own life. I could just go outside, right?
There's, there's leaves everywhere.
I could go outside and I could step on a leaf.
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But instead I spent 30 seconds of my God-given life on this
earth watching another person step on a leaf on a video on my
phone. I could just go outside and step
on a leaf. I mean, I think that's, I think
that's part of what makes it so potent is your brain doesn't
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know the difference sometimes. You know, it hears the sound.
You still get that satisfying feeling, but you also get to
stay recumbent. You get to stay in bed or you
get to stay on the couch or you get to keep watching the show
that you're also watching in thebackground while scrolling.
Like we've figured out this way as a species to like, would you
like all the the benefits of doing this thing, like the
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experience of doing this thing or or this this thing that
another person is doing while also getting to remain
monumentally comfortable? Like that's, that's a hell of a
drug, dude. And especially, I mean, like if
I wanted to go step on a leaf asa person with ADHD, I'm probably
not wearing shoes. I got to go put on shoes.
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I might not be wearing pants. I got to go put on pants now,
like that's a whole thing. I might be dehydrated.
So getting up makes me kind of go, oh, juice, water or
something like that. And then going to go outside and
the temperature change is going to be different.
It's going to touch my skin and it's going to make my nervous
system go, oh, God. And I go, Eric, it's OK.
It's just a different temperature out here and then I
have to go violate. Like there's so many different,
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I mean the classic idiots D struggle of cascading tasks.
There's so many different thingsbetween you and the thing,
whereas the only thing in between you and the next TikTok
is a twitch of a single muscle. It's a twitch of the thumb.
It's definitely not a single. Muscle but a twitch of the
thumb. I feel like it's like.
Maybe like two or three, but like not very like a like a
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shockingly small amount of muscle, small amount of muscles.
That is, that is for Truesies, but it's, it really is just
tailor made for people with ADHDto get addicted to it.
And I don't know, I, I think I, I kind of, there's a, there's a,
a principle, I can't remember itand it really bothers me because
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I don't want to lose my train ofthought to look it up.
But some situations have to get worse.
It's, it's better if situations were worse than if they weren't
as bad. The analogy that I always hear
is if there was a store, a placewhere a minute away from you is
a minute or sorry, a mile away from you, you might walk to that
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place because it's a mile away, let's say maybe less.
I don't know if I'd walk a mile,but like, let's just say a mile
away. You'd walk there, which takes
you, I don't know, 10 minutes. I don't know how long it takes
to walk 1015 minutes. If that place was 5 miles away,
you'd probably drive there and it would only take you like 7
(19:10):
minutes. So the place being further away
means it takes less time for youto get there because you have to
employ more heavy strategies to get there, a car in this case.
And so I remember like back before, like social media
proper, you know, 2011, like I would spend a lot of time on the
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Internet, a lot like an unhealthy amount of time on the
Internet. But it was more intentional.
You had to actively click on things.
You had to actively choose whereyou were going to go.
You just sift through a bunch ofshit on Reddit or whatever you
were looking at. Like it was, and it was probably
unhealthy, but it wasn't so bad that I really felt the urge to
do anything about it. You know, like I could easily
(19:53):
just sit on my computer forever and just kind of like click
around, but it didn't feel like I was doing anything really
wrong. Whereas now it is so high octane
and so easy and and so I don't know what.
So what's the word languid? I don't know.
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Is that a word? No, I mean, yes, it's a.
Word. That it, it just, it feels
egregious and I feel the urge to, to address it, you know, And
so I feel like the one good thing about it being so dominant
and so present in all of our lives is that we, we have to
talk about it and we have to notice it and go, oh shit.
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Like, dude, I am spending a lot of time just consuming content
and not a lot of time like engaging with the world around
me and, and thinking my own thoughts and stuff.
So. Perhaps that's a?
Silver lining, but it's only a silver lining if you would do
address it. So like, what do you, what do
you, what do you think about what are you thinking about
doing about it? I.
Mean I've I've tried a lot of different things That's that's
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the interesting thing is is thatit feels like a horror movie
where, you know at the end they killed the bad guy and then it's
like Michael Myers always like actually didn't get stabbed that
much like I was a surprise he was he woke up.
You know, that's how I feel likebecause it's like I've tried all
sorts of different things. I've like, like a lot of it is
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like intentionality, right? So it's like, OK, like I'm not
like I've made a very, very specific point of not not
getting on social media until I've like had my coffee.
So like I wake up in the morning, I don't look at my
phone. I take Bailey out, go for a
walk, that kind of stuff. So I was like, I've been trying
to do that. But even then sometimes even
then sometimes like I check a text, I check my texts, I check
(21:41):
my as people will like send me stuff or when I'm like, whoops,
now I'm scrolling, right. I've tried doing like the, like
the, the bed timers where it's like you put the, the app on
your phone and it's like, OK, it's like 9:00 PM you can't
access these apps. And I'm like circumvent,
circumvent, circumvent. Like I'll just, you know what I
mean? I've tried setting time limits.
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I've tried to be like, OK, like I do need to at least kind of
know what's going on. Like it's helpful to know if
there's like a relevant TikTok trend or like, oh, no, somebody
got cancelled, like whatever. So it's like, OK, I'll I'll
purposely give myself an hour. I'll do like a block of time, an
hour of social media and then I'll be done.
But that it's just, and so like things have lasted, but they're
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all very imperfect and they're all very changeable.
And there's also this sense of Ithink kind of, I don't like
burnout, exhaustion, just like like weariness of the medium in
terms of like, I'm kind of like,I do it, but I'm not necessarily
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even like enjoying myself. It's not like the videos that
are especially on TikTok cause Tik Tok's algorithm is just
fucking garbage. You know, it's like all like
TikTok shop and like all of thisshit that I don't care about.
And I'm just like, and I'm wild scroll, I scroll past, but I'm
like, OK, so that's their OK. I don't care about this video.
I don't care about this video. I don't care about this video.
And this like weird, bizarre anti joy is like permeating the
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use of social media. And so I've been trying to like,
OK, instead of being on social, instead of doom scrolling, I'm
going to listen to an audio bookor I'm going to listen like Josh
Johnson. I'm like fucking, I love Josh
Johnson so God damn much. But I'm like, OK, I'll like,
I'll listen to like a Josh Johnson special, the special of
the week. I'll do that instead or
whatever. But like I haven't found aside
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from like just deleting the appsoff of my phone, which isn't
practical because this is my job.
It's like I have not found a good way of not getting stuck.
And it's like, but then it's thegetting stuck that fucks me
because it's like the it's, it was like last night, like I'm
like, just put the phone down, just put the phone down.
Just put the phone down, just put the phone down.
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Just like, OK, we're done. Like we can be done.
Like just, but then my but but just one more video, one more
video. We'll just like wait till 1:30.
It's 128. We'll just watch a couple more.
We'll just nice round Number. We'll close the nice round
Number. And it's just, and it just got
to the point where I was just like literally crying from
exhaustion and being like, I have to, you know what I mean?
And I was like, this is fucking dismal.
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It really I I. I agree with there's this like
permeating misery throughout it.There's like this.
I don't like, I don't know, it feels like there's a perfect
word for it somewhere out there.But but I know what you mean.
We're like, I'm not sitting hereenjoying this, really.
Like, I'm not sitting here goinglike, yeah, this is awesome, you
know, but I am sitting here feeling some kind of way.
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What the, what is that? Like, what kind of way am I
feeling right now that it's preferable to feeling how I
would feel if I was not doing this and invested in it?
Like, to me, I have a huge problem with comfort.
Like I like being comfortable physically, but also being
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mentally comfortable. I mean, I, I, the line sort of
is really blurry for me, like ofwhat is mental comfort versus
physical comfort? But I will note that I am not
mentally uncomfortable when I'm scrolling.
I'm not necessarily happy. Sometimes I'm way not happy if
my algorithm is spitting me justdoomer content about the state
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of the world, you know, like I am very often actively unhappy,
but I'm not worried about what'sgoing to happen next.
Like I'm not worried about how I'm going to spend the next 20
minutes. And when I'm not scrolling, if
I'm doing anything else, the questions of what am I going to
do next? Am I doing the right thing?
Am I spending my time in an appropriate way?
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Am I like, should I clean the kitchen or should I work on that
creative project I've been doing?
And granted, when I'm scrolling,I am positive that I'm not using
my time in a way that I wouldn'tlike, but I'm I'm surrendered to
it and I am actively stimulated.There's no question that as long
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as I keep doing this, I will be stimulated and I won't have to
contend with the massive amount of discomfort that comes with
boredom and figuring out what todo about it.
And I, so I think recognizing what the feeling is that
scrolling is doing for you, likewhat if if it's not direct
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pleasure, which, you know, sometimes it is, what really is
it doing for you? And I think the answer for me is
it's deciding how to spend my time.
For me. It's, it's because you can do it
infinitely. You know, it, it will last as
long as you keep twitching your thumb.
And that's really fucking scary.Yeah.
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It's I don't know. And I I also wonder about just
like the psychological Reaper cut like I'm thinking about like
one of the okay, sorry. I'm so one of the best videos
that I ever saw about social media was just this woman who
was like, tell me the last 12 videos that you watched, what
were they about? And I was like.
Fuck and like, but that really made me think.
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That really made me start thinking about like how much of
it is just mindless, like a guy stepping on a leaf or, you know,
whatever. Like what is actually providing
value? Like what?
What am I actually getting out of the content that I'm I'm
consuming? But the just absolute like like
absolutely psychological mind fuck that is like scrolling
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through and it's like, oh, here's like a cute video of like
a dog doing something goofy. Here's video of a child dying in
Palestine. Next video.
Here's a teenager dancing. Next video.
Here's a video of someone embracing their beloved dog for
the last time while they're putting it down.
Like just like these like like these crazy like one 80s of just
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like the rawest types of like human emotion that people are
now like putting online for the sake of like.
I don't know like. Sharing, you know what, like
raising awareness or like whatever.
And it's like, that is what I struggle with.
Like that is one of the things that I struggle with is like, I
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OK, so I was just minding my business and now I've seen a
child die, I've seen a dog die. Like I'm emotionally
dysregulated. So I'm going to keep scrolling
because maybe they'll be a happier video that makes me feel
better that like that makes me less dysregulated from this
thing that just happened. But guess what?
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Instead it's like a doomer videoor like of the whole world is
going to explode and you know, start like it keeps it like I
keep getting like prepper content.
They keep like stock up all yourcanned goods.
The world is ending. And I'm like, I have anxiety,
like I have profound anxiety. Like this is not good content
for me. And it like it's gotten to the
point where like I've had to like block accounts.
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I've had to be like, do not showme this comment.
And they still will. That's the fun part.
You can be like, I'm not interested.
Don't show this to me. And the algorithm.
It's like, but we're going to anyway.
And so it's, I don't, it's just,it's such like a, from an
emotional regulation standpoint,it can be so difficult to come
out of that because even when, when you're like, OK, I'm
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feeling a little bit better, like the, the shock of that
video, that the surprise of thatvideo has worn off.
Now I'm self soothing by like continuing to scroll, but like
the scrolling is still giving methese like different emotional
experiences, Yeah. I know what you mean.
I think the. Huge like emotional swings in
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the contrast between the abrupt contrast between like feel good
happy stuff and holy fuck that'sdark stuff and everything in
between and and to the side and all of whatever.
Like just a massive variety of different ways a video can make
you feel in that moment followedby something completely
different. I, I feel like that's got to be
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part of it, Like the, the huge swings because it's, that's not
boring, you know, like that's, Idon't think what our brains are
meant to do from like an evolutionary standpoint, but
it's not boring. You know, we're going from like
running away from a tiger to cuddling with our our our spouse
in a cave next to a fire to likewatching your young son like
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catches first Mongoose or whatever, like all right next to
each other. Like that's those things.
We're supposed to have space in between them, you know, I
remember when. I caught my first Mongoose.
I still think like Mongoose are terrifying, aren't they?
Like I feel like it's one of those things like a badger where
it's like it seems like, oh, it's cute, but like it's really
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vicious and horrifying. I don't know somebody so but can
somebody comment on this video, please or on this on this
podcast, please? I have somebody's special
interest is Mongoose. I I know it.
So Mongoose. Are like 7 inches long.
They're very small. Really.
Yeah, Mongoose is a small terrestrial carnivorous mammal,
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and they range from. There's 11 species native to
Africa. Oh, they're adorable.
Yeah, they're not at all. They range from 9.4 inch to 22.8
inches, excluding a tail. They're like, just little guy.
They're like, they look like cats ran into squirrels really
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quick. Yeah.
That's I'm going to go ahead andand retract in my previous
statement. You should not catch Mongoose.
You should let them live their adorable little lives because.
Animal were you thinking of? I think I was probably.
Thinking a honey badger or like a, you know, something like that
or like a, like a Tasmanian devil kind of thing.
Or a Wolverine. A Wolverine.
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Yeah, sure. You know, yeah, this is, these
are, these guys are. Those ones too cute.
These guys are too cute. Mongoose are super.
Cute. Those other ones will ruin your
day. Don't hunt.
Mongoose new merch just dropped.Don't hunt.
Mongoose don't do it. Don't do it.
Do you hunt any Mongoose today? No good.
They're like different. Colors.
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There's the the Hilo Gale, he's like a little Gray boy.
And then there's the Cerakata Desmarest.
He's really cute. He's like, I don't want to.
Brand all different. Flavors.
I'm on a. 31 year streak of not hunting any Mongoose.
I'm so proud of you. Pretty good, right?
I. And I'm feeling good about
today, too. I am.
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I'm feeling good about today. There's still time now.
We'll see. Oh my God, can you what?
If you just like, accidentally caught a Mongoose, fuck.
No, no, no. No, no, no, no.
There's one like trapped in my apartment and I'm like, we have
to get rid of this. Well, Eric, why is it so
important we have to free this Mongoose?
Like I don't think you. Understand this Mongoose.
Cannot die in here like it has to go about its business.
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You go to the zoo. And there's like one of like,
put this little pop on the glass.
Hello. Eric.
Hello, Eric. Is it?
Fucking scandal noted. Fuck turfs.
But parcel tongue? It's like Mongoose Mongoose
tongue in Harry Potter with Mongoose Mongoose guy.
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I don't know what's the. Did you know that A.
Meerkat is a type of a Mongoose.They look really.
Similar. I noticed that, like the way
they, the way they poke up theirlittle heads, Yeah.
The form of the English name since 1698 was altered to goose
by folk etymology. It was spelled Mongoose in the
18th and 19th centuries. The plural form is mongooses,
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although mongese is also used. I feel like I'm going Mongese on
that one. Mongese.
Like that sounds. Fun, yeah.
Mongooses. I feel like mongooses is like
sillier, like a whole bunch of mongooses.
Yeah, now that you. Say it out loud.
Yeah, that does seem kind of silly, yeah.
I'm not mad about it though. And their claws non retractable.
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Oh, really? So they're always, yeah.
And species have a large anal scent glands.
Really. Wow.
Well, that is, that is certainlysome salacious.
Mongoose. Territory.
Oh, really? Oh, and they have, they're also
immune. Not immune, but they they
protect against snake venom. The modified receptors prevent
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the snake venom from binding. So they have they have like plus
one to poison defense. Oh yeah, they hunt.
Venomous snakes. Look at that.
Oh, these things are so cute. We went.
To a We went on a walk today andthere was like a full snakeskin
in somebody's yard that like a snake had shed.
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And Bailey lost her God damn mind.
Like it was a real snake. Like she like, she like jumped
way back and she tried to like run away.
And I was like, that's is not a it's a dead snake.
And she was unhappy having to confront the snakeskin, so we
had to continue walking. Oh yeah, what a.
Mind fuck, how do you how do youexplain to Bailey like there are
these things called reptiles andyou know how you shed?
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They also shed but wow do they do it.
They go hard on the shedding also not.
That this matters at all. But one of the guys who
classified and and like grouped mong geese into like, it's like,
you know, like taxonomy was a guy named Reginald Ennis
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Peacock. That's a made-up.
That's from a board game. Oh shit no actually JK it's
Pocock not I read it wrong I'm sorry I thought I said Peacock
but it was Pocock Reginald in his Pocock and.
That also sounds like a board game name, but they were like,
that's too effervescent of a name.
Peacock we got we got to shufflesome letters around or.
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Something he published 200 papers in 18 years at the
National History Museum. And then he became the
Superintendent of the London Zoo.
And then he died. Yes.
I'm also I'm going to go ahead and just throw my throw my vote
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in for the Indian grey Mongoose.OK, I like that.
One's the most. I like those fact about.
Reginald and his Pocock is his great.
His great grandfather was the marine artist Captain Nicholas
Pocock, who is an English artistknown for his many detailed
paintings of naval battles during the age of sailing.
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And that's interesting. See this is an.
Example of the kind of cool stuff you do when you're not
scrolling through your phone. I was.
Do you know what I was? Thinking about Do you remember
fucking StumbleUpon? Yes.
Oh, what I. I honest to God, I honest to God
feel like if, if there was like a StumbleUpon phone app cure my
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doom scrolling in a night, 'cause I'm like you would just
go. And it was just like, it was
like the best of the Internet. It was the the weird little
interesting website. Like I found so many like cool
websites, cool things, but I don't know, like weird research
rabbit hole deep dives. Like that's like my hobby
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though, like that's like that isthe thing that makes me the
happiest. And so I feel like one of the
issues that I have is my favorite thing is doing like
weird rabbit holes for research,but that also is like really
mentally taxing. And so doom scrolling is this
nice? Like, well, I don't have to look
anything up. I don't have to do any like, you
know, J store archival research and so like doom scrolling
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offers like a respite from the things that I like enjoy doing,
which is like AI feel like I just had like a therapy
breakthrough. I think maybe a little bit.
Interesting. Yeah, I can see that there's
there's, there's no decisions tobe made.
Whereas research requires a lot of decisions about where to look
for things, what to look up, howto, are you going to cross
reference it with something elseor something?
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Well, especially like with because I'm working on the not
to shoehorn it in here too hard,but I've been working on the on
the new show for the tour. And so deciding like what I'm
going to talk about for the showand like how I'm going to like
connect different things and like the the topics and
everything that's been like, there's a whole wide world out
there of like fascinating, interesting things.
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And so having to like think about that and be like, OK,
well, the clock's ticking. Like we're now in December.
So like by January, I have to have something like rehearsable.
So like we got to we got to start making some decisions.
And I think like the more that I'm feeling that pressure, the
more that I'm like, OK, I reallyhave to like decide what the
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show is going to be. The more that my brain's like,
well, we could doom scroll. We could watch 150 videos that
are going to not help us in any way, shape or form.
We could do that. We could do that instead.
Yeah, I also like. I don't want to frame like doom
scrolling as an absolutely inexcusable behavior for any
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duration of time or any like, like you doing all, all the cool
stuff you do and then being like, Oh, I'm just going to
scroll to my phone for a little bit and, you know, see where it
takes me. And you know what, like, I think
that's, that's I just want to make sure that like, I'm not
coming across as saying that it's inherently bad and nobody
should do it ever. Because I, I think, you know,
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dude, you know, Thai food's awesome if you ate Thai food,
greasy light, I mean, like all Thai food.
I mean, like, you know, if you ate pad CU for breakfast, lunch
and dinner every single day for years, that would be bad.
But like I'm not saying all padssee you should never read pads
see you. No, it's.
Well, that's the thing It's there's there's like it's like a
it's there's like a moderation to it.
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Yeah, because it's the same thing.
It's like we wouldn't have jobs as if it weren't for people who
were scrolling and we you know what I mean?
I'm like, I'm so grateful for the people who watch my content.
I'm so grateful for the people who like pay my bills like
that's awesome. Thank you for watching.
I appreciate the the point O four cents I get when you watch
my videos but. I personally am noticing that I
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am developing an unhealthy relationship with it.
Like I personally, me only I'm noticing that my relationship
to, to consuming content is becoming closer to like
mindless, endless scrolling thatis very difficult to break out
of. And that is the part that
concerns me. It is the fact that it is
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difficult to put my phone down. And I'm like, that's a problem.
That is a problem because if it is 2:30 in the morning and I'm
actively like yelling at myself in my head to like put the phone
down, you need to go to sleep. Like this is this is not what we
need to be doing. And I'm still like just a couple
more, just a couple more, just acouple more.
I'm like, that shit is unhealthy.
And I'm like, I'm willing to admit that on main.
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I'm willing to admit that. Oh.
Yeah, I mean, like last night, I, this happens to me a lot of
nights where like I'll, I'll be sitting there and I'll be
scrolling and I'll go, OK, seriously.
And I'll put my phone down and I'll like roll over and close my
eyes and just the loud silence. It's it's, it's like a musical
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score that's just all like 30 second note rests, you know,
like nothing is happening, but it's happening really fast.
And it's like, oh God, usually I'll pick my phone back up at
least one more time and it sucks, but like I can feel
myself and like I'll but, but I like, I want to like study that
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moment. Like what is that exact moment
where I'm like, you know, what is happening there?
Yeah. I just.
I think of like one more thing. That's my thing is I, I always
think of like one more thing andit's usually something that I
want to like know, like I get, you know, I'm like laying, I'm
like, OK, put my phone down, whatever.
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And I'm like, oh, I wonder wherejeans come from?
Like I wonder how they make denim or like whatever stupid
thing. And you know, and it's and a lot
of times I have to like talk myself down like, Hey, it's, I
love that you want to my little parts work, my little parts work
that I've been doing. Like I love that we want to know
where denim comes from. That's so cool.
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But it's 3:30 in the morning andI don't think we need to do that
right now. Like I don't think we need to do
that right now. But there is a lot, there is a
lot of talking myself out of it.There's a lot of a lot of times
where I will put my phone down for the night and then it's
like, Oh, I need to like buy a thing or I need to like do a
thing or I need to like check ona thing.
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And it's like it is 3:30 in the morning.
You don't need an answer, an e-mail right now.
You don't need to order whateverthe fuck it is right now.
Like you, you don't need to do that.
When my brain is just like it isinstantly an emergency.
It is instantly the thing that I'm focused on and I won't be
able to go to sleep unless I do the thing.
And like, it is exhausting having to talk yourself out of
like doing shit like that. Yeah.
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Does it, do you think like as you have that like internal
conversation with yourself, do you find it getting easier over
time, like you hone your arguments or or it's easier to
start doing it or does it feel roughly the same every time?
I think it. Depends on what it is like.
I really think it's sort of dependent on like the topic,
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right? Because if it's like, Hey, I
wonder where William Henry Harrison is from?
Like I'm like, hey, it's 3:30 inthe morning.
We don't it doesn't matter. We can look that up tomorrow, if
we even care about that in the morning.
And that's fine. But sometimes it's like, Oh my
God, did I pay the trash bill? Like, oh, it's it's I took the
trash to the curb tonight. Did I pay the trash bill?
Are they going to come pick up the trash?
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And now I'm spiraling about likewhat a fuck up I am and how bad
I am at managing money and I forget to pay my bills and like
my credit card is turned off because I forgot to pay the
money this month, you know what I mean?
And so then it becomes like thatspiral of like, Oh no, oh, no,
Oh no, Oh no, Oh no, Oh no. And so for me, the like, first
thing, I'm just like, I'll just check on the trash.
Like that's like the soothes. Like that's like the soothing
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mechanism. And so sometimes it's like, it
might just be easier for me to like look and make sure that I
pay the trash bill so I don't have to have all of the other
thoughts about like what a fuck up I am and, and how I'm like
struggling with money and like that kind of stuff.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's funny that you
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like a couple of things you brought up in the last couple
minutes have not been directly like doom scrolling, but I so
see how they lead to it because I do that too.
Like I'll pick up my phone to dosomething necessary or inane and
then TikTok will just end up opening or Instagram will just.
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End the same thing and so. Like that I, I, I think that's a
really interesting, I think it'sreally interesting how
seamlessly you went to like paying the trash bill is as bad
as starting to scroll because itis so likely to cause me to
start scrolling because TikTok is right there.
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Yeah. Yeah, like there's a lot of
times where I will pick up my phone to like, oh, I need to
send an e-mail and then 40 minutes later I like awakened
from like a blackout and I'm just like, what happened?
Fuck. And I was like, what was I
supposed to be doing? Oh, right.
I was checking I was going to send that e-mail or whatever.
And then I send the e-mail. But it's like that the automatic
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opening of TikTok or like the automatic cycling through
because it's not, it's not even just TikTok.
It's like now it's like Instagram and threads.
Threads is like real like I'm fucking I'm have a thread
problem and it's not I don't even like being on threats
because everybody's take is shitty and bad.
Like it's just bad, bad inflammatory takes that people
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are either posting in bad faith or they're posting because they
want to like rage bait people into getting views.
And so it's like none of the takes are good.
They're all things that people have like posted 100 times
before that people are acting like, is this like new thought
that they're having for the veryfirst time?
And it's just like, it's exhausting.
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And I'm like, why am I reading this?
Why do I give a shit? Why do I like stop, just put
your phone down. I'm like, OK, well, I'll look, I
guess like I'll go over to YouTube.
So I'm scrolling through YouTubeShorts and then it's like
Instagram real. And it just becomes this like
cycle of like cycling through all of these different apps when
the one that I'm currently on isn't like hitting anymore.
And then I'm still just like, ohfuck, I was supposed to be like
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sending an e-mail to our publisher or something.
Yeah, I think what I'm going to do, I I did this, I had AI had a
problem with phone games for a while.
I occasionally do like I'll findone that that does it for me and
I'll just spend way too much time for like a week playing
phone games. Is I would put them, I have a
lot of apps on my phone. I have like 10 scroll, you know,
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pages if you're scrolling through them is I would put them
on the very last page so that like I couldn't accidentally do
it, you know, like right now TikTok is on my home screen
because I use it for work and stuff.
And I also scroll the fuck out of it.
And so like I can very easily open something and then just oh,
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like it is A2. There is a 1 centimeter twitch
of my thumb before I'm back in it, you know, or if it's on the
last page, I have to go swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe,
swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe.
There it is talk. So I'm going to like, I'm going
to that's a simple, simple solution, but I'm going to I
think that would cut down for meon the on the one thing leading
directly into the other thing. I'm going to do that.
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It's a simple it's a simple thing I'm going to do and I'm
going to try it out. I did that with.
My resale apps, because I fucking love resale shopping so
goddamn much. And so I put them like all the
way at the end because then I have to like scroll all the way
through and they're all like in a folder and stuff.
I still am on them like nearly every day.
But I haven't bought as much stuff.
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It's more of just like now I just like put stuff and I like,
I like stuff, but I don't necessarily like buy something
every time. So I've gotten better.
I've gotten better. That's good.
Nice. I also there is a trend going on
right now of quote raw dogging it for an hour to reset your
attention span, where it's just it'll be the caption will be,
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you know, raw dogging it for an hour to reset my attention span
and it's just a person just sitting in a chair doing
nothing. Like.
Not like no fun just sitting there, like having a sit and
it's always a time lapse. So it's like a full hour of them
just sitting there. And I think that's interesting.
You know, I also think longer form media helps me get away
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from it because it's it's it's more like I've been reading more
lately because I have the I likestarted getting into the books
app on my phone and the physicalsimilarity to it to scrolling is
helping me read a lot more. Oh, that makes sense.
Because like. I'll be with a book.
There's like, you know, when youfirst start the book, the right
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side is thick. So if you're reading on your
side, you can prop it up on the right side, but you can't prop
it up if you're leaning on your left side because the left side
of the book is too thin. You know what I'm talking about.
And then as you get way through the book towards the end, you
can't lead on the right side because now there's very few
pages to the right of you. So it's a whole thing.
And my hands get cramped and it's, and I have a weird thing
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with the cover of soft cover books.
It's, it's, I don't like touching them.
They're just insane. They always just seem very dirty
to me for reasons I will not getinto right now.
But when I touch the the cover of a soft cover book, a used
soft cover book, I I can feel the spot on my hands until I
wash my hands next like I will what have you like.
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Wiped it with like a like a Lysol wipe, Yeah, I mean.
That helps. That totally helps.
But but still it's, it's, it's it's in there.
But so having it on my phone, like when I'm scrolling, I can
go like, wait a minute, like I'mreading a Scanner darkly right
now, you know, like what's happening in there like so I can
just kind of switch apps and read, but I'm like from the
(50:21):
outside observer, I'm doing the same thing.
So a lot of the, you know, pathological demand avoidance
stuff doesn't come up because it's like, hey, as far as
anybody knows, I'm scrolling through my thumb.
Yeah, but I don't know what. I think it's a solvable A
solvable issue. But, well, I.
I kind of do the same thing. I've started doing more long
form content or like watching more long form content.
(50:42):
I've also really tried. I've really been trying to not
doom scroll while I'm watching something else.
Like if I'm watching something, I'm watching something and it's
hot. Like it's so wild how often I'll
just like pick up my like not even think again, just like
unconsciously. Like I'll be watching a show and
there's like a slow part. I'm like, well, time to check my
(51:04):
phone Like. And I was like, no, like we're
not doing that. We already said that we weren't
going to do that, remember? And I've also been listening to
a lot of like audio books, especially like at night before
I go to bed instead of like scrolling on my phone before I
go to sleep. I try to like listen to it like
a section of an audio book if I'm not feeling like reading.
I'm the opposite. I love, I love physical books.
(51:26):
Like they're my, I just like books.
They make me happy. But I have been listening to a
really good book. It's called OK, it's called
Blitzed and it's about how like not like World War 2, like
Germany, Nazis, they were all onmeth.
They were just every single one of them.
They were all just absolutely fucking blasted out of their
(51:47):
mind on meth for the entirety ofWorld War 2.
And it's crazy, like it's everybody was on meth.
They were just like more meth, please.
More meth, please. And it's this fascinating book
about like, hey, so this is, this is weird, right?
And it's like really interesting.
It's very good. So I'm having a really good time
(52:10):
with that. And then I'm reading this other
book called The Professor in theMad Men.
And it's about this guy who did a murder and then he went to
jail. But then it turned out that he
was like just bat shit fucking crazy.
And so they put him in an insaneasylum and then he helped to
write the Oxford English Dictionary.
And that's a true story. Cool.
Dude, another great example of things that you can do if you're
(52:33):
not scrolling through your phone.
Yeah, you can. Murder a dude and then write the
answer. Not in that order, Only in that
order you. Got to murder first.
I. Wish I think about this a lot.
Like I, I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes and and
perhaps it will, it will not ever happen.
(52:54):
But I think like time travel, like if there is a way like I
would fucking kill to see like like some famous authors, like
Twitter accounts. Do you know what I mean?
Like there's just some some authors kind of like, I wish we
could just like bring back from the dead and be like, this is
Twitter, have fun. I just have to be like, I just
(53:17):
wonder. I just wonder what Oscar
Wilde's. Twitter whole that's that's.
Immediately, that was the first person I always think of.
I always think of Oscar Wilde and Langston Hughes.
I think they would have killer fucking Twitter accounts.
And I was like, I just, I don't know.
And so I was like, I wonder whatWilliam Shakespeare would think
about doom scrolling, right? Dude, could you like work?
(53:41):
Work is the curse of the drinking class.
Banger tweet dude. Banger, banger.
Every I was just like those, yeah, Banger tweets a cigarette.
Is a man's perfect pleasure. It is brief and leaves one
unsatisfied. What more could one want?
Boom, boom. So brilliant.
(54:01):
Yeah, I was like. I would I don't know, but that's
that. I don't know.
So sometimes when I'm like reading, I'm just like, I feel
like I'm making the author proudbecause I feel like they might
be slightly disapproving social media.
Yeah I agree. Well Speaking of which I have to
finish editing a TikTok and postit onto the thing so people can
(54:21):
watch it in between who knows what.
Also how to? Finish making a TikTok because
it's December 2nd, so you know what that means.
Oh, it's for. Pitching a new holiday movie
every day until one of them getsmade.
Gosh, years. Go by so fast now I know it's
been like. Still haven't made a single one
so I don't Our track record is very bad one day.
(54:44):
Dude, one day it's just like law.
You just play the law of large numbers.
Eventually it'll happen actually.
I feel like a lot of the the ones that I pitched are not like
they'd be banger movies, but they would be really good TTRPD
campaigns, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is
definitely for true. Do you have any?
Business. It's not like business that
(55:05):
people can like go to, but we'rerecording the audiobook next
week. We are.
So stay tuned for cool behind the scenes shit.
Yeah, we'll be. Making content about that, so
you'll be able to check that out.
I feel like, Dear listener, if you're here, you probably heard
this before, but it would be so rad if you went and signed up
for my newsletter. You can do that on
katiosaurus.com. That's going to be your best bet
(55:28):
for when we start announcing tour stops and tour dates.
It's going to be we're going to put the tickets on sale there
first. So if you want first chance at
getting good, good seats for thetour, you can do that.
There's also going to be some surprise tour dates that are
getting announced. We've already added a couple
since we made the first list. So that's exciting and cool and
(55:49):
neat. What else?
Surprise it was. Yesterday it was.
Yes, it. Actually was yesterday.
Oh shit, yeah, I guess. It was kind of.
And oh, and my holiday special is now a thing and you can watch
it over on the YouTube if you want. youtube.com/katiosource.
Yeah, we finally, finally made it.
(56:10):
Finally got it edited. Shout out to Jeff at Trade
Movies Podcast for handling the videography and the editing.
Go give him follow too, if you wouldn't mind.
He's great and he breaks down movies and he's real smart, Real
smart cookie that Jeff. But yeah, I'm really proud of
it. So love for you to go check it
out it is. Very funny.
It is pure high octane Kate Osborne energy start to finish.
(56:34):
No breaks, baby, No breaks. Not a break.
Not there were like 3 water breaks and I that was fast.
It got to the 45 minute point and I was like Oh no I still
have not done like I had that thought on stage and I was like
oh man, not a like workout to build stair.
I'm going to do my shows. Yeah, if you if you're here, you
(56:58):
probably also heard the mid roll, which is pre-order the
book. But we'll tell you again,
pre-order the book, please, that.
Would make us happy. That would make.
The publishers. Happy with us and pat us on our
little heads. We just want a little.
Head that we just want a Gold Star from Simon and Schuster.
Yeah, I want them to. Say, wow, good job, good job.
I did a good job. Yes, I am saying we've been
(57:19):
doing an excellent job. No, I wasn't talking to you as
talking to Simon or Schuster. Metaphorically metaphorical.
Simon and Schuster. Cool.
Anything else? No, I think that's it.
I mean, remember to be kind to yourself.
Of course, remember. To eat a snack.
I started right. In the middle, didn't I?
You did. Oh that's just my favorite one I
was going to try and save. It, but I guess we can just
(57:40):
start there. We'll remember backwards.
Remember we can just go all the way backwards.
Remember to be kind to others, remember to be kind to yourself.
Remember to take your meds, remember to drink some water,
remember to eat a snack. Wow, that.
Was impressive. Thank you that was really good.
Wow well, I mean it it actually it and I suppose the remember
(58:00):
that we love you. That's like the punctuation,
like at the very end that. That would always.
Occur at the end, yeah. And then we like.
I remember that we love you. So just just the order of
priority in which in which you attempt those things.
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