Nuns, Cannabis and Secret Tunnels

ADHD storytelling meets childhood nostalgia as Erik and Cate bounce through secret forts, first computers, and teenage rebellion. This neurodivergent conversation captures the authentic ADHD experience of connecting seemingly random memories, from discovering computers in secret passages to stress-inducing DARE programs and early internet adventures.

Key topics: childhood fort-building, technology evolution, TI-84 calculators, typing games, high school experiences, media literacy, and growing up with undiagnosed ADHD in the 90s/2000s. Perfect for adults with ADHD who love genuine, unfiltered conversations about neurodivergent childhood experiences and how our scattered minds connect memories. Subscribe for more ADHD-friendly storytelling!

Episode Transcript

(00:07):
Hi, bums. Hi, sweetie.
How's things? Things are good.
I'm more tired than I've ever been in my entire adult life.
Yeah, Bailey was was puking up puke.
She was going last night. Did you guys say my coffee?
No, OK. I shouldn't go back.
OK, Whoa. That was 140 bit.
Oh. My God, Alan Paul.
Psych. Oh nerd, shake, hold you upside

(00:31):
down and shake out your lunch money.
Bill, stop leaking up your spots.
That's. Just you, Bailey.
Come on, bud. I'm just.
Going to let her. You know, why is it that it was
only change that would fall out of like nerds pockets when they
would like a bully would hold them upside down and shake them
and it was their lunch money. But it's like wolf and other
stuff in their pockets. So they would have like a wallet
end of list because I guess that's kind of a 90s bit.

(00:52):
So they wouldn't have cell phones and stuff, a pencil,
pocket protectors, mighty loose.Cool, one of the cool
calculators that you could play games on.
Yeah, TI or TI-84. 84, yeah. Which have just been they're
like, you know how like alligators and crocodiles are
virtually unchanged for like millions and millions of years
because they just nailed it likeperfect killing machine.

(01:14):
No notes. Feel like the TI-84 calculator
is the saltwater crocodile of technology.
Where like they invented Like doyou look up?
Look up right now, dear viewer. Even if you're driving, I don't
even care. Look away from the road.
Look up a picture of ATI 84 calculator from like 2001 and
ATI 84 calculator right now. They look exactly the same.

(01:35):
There's no changes whatsoever because fucking nailed it, dude.
Fucking nailed it. Problem was that I never
successfully learned how to workthe graphing calculator.
Like I had one I was required togo out for school, but like
there was just this weird assumption that of course you
knew how to work one. And so like, I never learned how
to actually do like the math involved because I didn't know

(01:58):
how the calculator works. Really.
Yeah. I mean, those fuckers were
complicated. I mean you could do of course
like 2 plus twos and stuff but like holy schnikeys.
That was you. Good.
Good buddy. I remember there would always be
one kid in every school, like class, you know, like and I mean
that like that, like your your senior class or whatever class

(02:18):
like generally like that when you go well, maybe not yours
because you had a very small school who was just like a
mastermind decoder on the thing.And they would be like, look, I
made Frogger or something. Yeah, we had one of.
Those kids, You made that on thecalculator?
Yeah. What is your kid?
What was what was your kids deal?
My guy's name was Georges. I don't remember the name.
I remember what he looked at. I want to say his name was Matt.

(02:39):
I remember what he looked like. But yeah, his name was, I think
his name was Matt. And he would sit like in the
back of the classroom and he would just like do that shit.
And like he I remember he did like artwork stuff like you
would draw pictures, but like use like the symbols and stuff.
And like one time he made like apretty decent like Mona Lisa.

(03:02):
He did like a pretty decent starry night.
Like that was that was, that washis bag.
That's cool. There is.
My guy made a he made it was a ball animation, but every time
the so it was just like a basically a pixel, but it would
it was like a projectile like itwould fall and then when it
would hit the bottom of the screen it would double into two

(03:22):
bouncing balls and then when those would hit two more would
show up. That sounds.
Really. And he would just let it run
until eventually the calculator would crash because he couldn't
do the calculations anymore. I thought that was so fucking
cool. I still know how to, you know
what? I'm gonna buy a goddamn TI-4 and
just learn to scratch that itch because it was such an itch
being like, holy shit. Like that kid made a cool thing

(03:43):
because I liked making stuff. I've always liked making stuff.
That's like, since I was, oh, since I was capable of holding
stuff, I was making stuff, but it was never that kind of stuff.
Yeah. You know, digital, ephemeral,
cool. Yeah, exactly.
Like the thing he made was like a concept that he knows how to
tell a computer to show or something like that.
I got to scratch that itch. I had a HTML phase for a while.
Did you? Yeah, but it was really funny

(04:04):
because Myspace, Zynga. Well, we had, because actually I
was talking about this like yesterday with somebody.
I don't know why, but like, did you have a computer lab in your
school? Yeah, Yeah.
Because like we had a computer lab and this person was like
really confused or like, I don'tunderstand if you were born in
or around 1995, like how did youhave a computer lab?

(04:24):
And I was like, I was born in 1988 and we had a computer lab
like, and it was like a pretty nice computer lab.
Like it was, it was pretty somebody's dad, I think like
donated the money to like get uscomputers.
But there was a nun, there was our computer teacher was a nun
and she was just really into HTML.
And so she just like what she taught us like HTML and she
taught us like the little, like you have to like, you know, the

(04:46):
open and the close and stuff. And like I remember, and she was
really enthusiastic about it. She was really excited about it.
And I just remember being like, that's cool.
Like you can be a nun, but you can also be like, excited about
web design. Yeah, hacker nun.
Hacker Nun, which immediately knew the India character, just
dropped. Oh yeah, that would be pretty
cool. Hacker nun.

(05:07):
I love it. Married to Jesus, also hacking.
I feel like honest to fuck, I feel like I in this moment, I
want to call up Tony. If, by the way, if you're going
to dragon con live candle obscure show goes down.
I want to say I don't know the night of it yet, but it's the
finale, the three-year show finale.

(05:27):
Wow, and maybe father is going to be a hacker now.
I can't remember the name of my character.
It's fine. Well, you play once a year.
I play once a year. I show him dressed like a priest
just to be like weirdly horny about it.
And we had a computer lab class in my 6th, 6th grade school,
wrote in middle school, which wasn't like a wealthy school at

(05:48):
all. So I'm like, I think it was just
kind of like it was just at somepoint.
Ah fucking hell. But my keyboard teacher like
computer. It was a typing class.
It wasn't a computer class, it was typing.
Mavis Beacon. Did you have Mavis Beacon?
Yes. Oh my God.
I fuck. I fucking whoa.
Loved Mavis. That was Wait, what's Mavis
Beacon? Mavis Beacon teaches typing.

(06:11):
I thought that was the name of your teacher and I thought you
were asking if I had the same teacher is you.
And I was like, yes, I did. I thought, no, I was going to do
like a Kenneth from 30 Rock is immortal thing, you know?
I was. Everybody's typing teachers.
Navis Beacon teaches typing. It was a typing program.
I know that. I remember that.
No, I'm. So good at typing to this day.
You're very good at typing. Very fast.

(06:31):
And it's because it's, it's gamified.
They gamified typing and I was like, I can get good at this.
Yeah, I remember we had one. This might have been that.
I don't, I don't remember the name of it, but it was like an
alien type thing where you were like a little alien with like a
laser gun. Was.
Just in the couch you did. These ships would come in and

(06:52):
then each ship had a word on it and it was coming at you.
So you had to type the I. Think I played that game.
Too. Got you.
Yeah. And then there was one kid who
was just a World of Warcraft motherfucker.
Like he had been playing like keyboard.
He's been done using motherfucker.
Yeah, like it was laughable thatanybody would, but, you know,
whatever. So he not to.
Flash. He could type like I can't

(07:14):
remember what the the word amount was or something like
that, but it was like 100, just a whole fuck ton of words per
minute. Like, and so he would just get
to level like 10 billion in thisgame.
And it was like, oh, that's awesome.
I love that you ever play numbercrunchers.
I feel like number crunchers might have been before your
time. I don't think so.
It was like, it would be like, Idon't remember, like it was like

(07:36):
it was a space bar smasher and it was like the numbers would
come up and it would be like if it's a multiple of 5 number,
crunch the number. And so then you'd be like it's.
Like a go, no go. Three, Yeah, it was.
It was kind of that thing. And I did not do very well at
those games because I just wanted to smash the space bar,
which who could have foreseen that?

(07:58):
Who could have foreseen that? There was in my 9th grade health
class there was one or like final thing, there was 1 project
that was going to be like 50% ofour grade or something where we
had to make a meal plan like a fictitious meal.
Not fictitious but you know likea hypothetical meal plan in
excel. So you would like type what you

(08:18):
would eat and then like how manycalories it is and why like this
because it's high in protein andwhatever, which like I guess in
a health class, yeah, that makessense as an assignment, but
like. That's such a fun way.
To give I will fail this class. I'm not doing that like, sorry.
That's a fun way for what? Oh no, I was going to say that's
such a fun way to give a 14 yearold girl an eating disorder.
Like, hey, like I honestly like one of my weird hot takes is

(08:42):
that I do not think high school kids should be made to track
calories as part of like health And like there and there's a lot
of people like there's a lot of like like therapisty type
people, you know, because it's like it's important that you
understand nutrition. It's important that you
understand like how to like feedyour body well.

(09:03):
But like, holy shit, making it like a school project to be
like, now you have to track whatyou eat for a week or whatever.
Like that is just like, hey kids, do I have a cool new trick
for you? Let's put all your numbers up on
the board and see who oh. My God news.
But we had that project and it was.

(09:24):
Weirdly enough, the vibe of thatproject leaves a taste in my
mouth. Like, I mean that literally.
Like I like, it's like almost like a synesthesia thing.
Like I can remember the smell ofthe room and the sounds of the
keyboards all clicking at once. And like the fans on the
keyboards all going at once, like the mechanical little
clicks and all of those sense memories of like combined into

(09:44):
like a vaguely red, reddish white taste in my mouth.
I can just remember the, I don'tknow remember it so well, But
nobody did that fucking project because the teacher was sitting
at the front of the class and guess what?
Laptop screens face away from the front of the.
That's your. That's your problem right there.
So the entire class got really into this game called Run game,

(10:06):
which is just this little game still exists, super fun game.
It's very simple. It's just a little little aliens
man's and he's running down likea big hallway, but there are
holes in the hallway. There's like a little hole here,
a little hole here. So you just run down the hallway
and you can jump. You know, you can jump jump.
But as you progress through levels, they become more and
more holes until eventually there's more holes than hallway.
And then eventually there's likeonly, and then the last couple

(10:28):
levels, there's like 4 squares you can jump on here, 4 squares
you can jump on there. And each level each like, you
know, levels one through 10 was like blue.
Levels 20 through 30 was like a different color.
And so you could see in front ofyou who was on what level or
what you know, roughly because it was a different color.
And so eventually, like there was a kid in the friend who was

(10:49):
on red and it was crazy. Katie, you would start on one
tile and it would start, it would run automatically.
So the game would start and you immediately had to jump.
Like you had a couple frames to press jump before you just ran
off the edge. You jump and you have to hold A
to go all the all the way to theright, you know, or WASD so D
all the way to go all the way tothe right and then you if you

(11:10):
but you you have to nail it. You have to use all of the time
pressing you to go to right to just barely land on the side
anyways, run game super fucking fun.
And I really wonder if he knew or not Mr. Smith, because I like
I really remember wonder if he knew or not because part of me
thinks he knew what he's like. I just like this is clearly a

(11:31):
phenomenon going on. Like every single kid, like kids
that aren't friends with each other just for some reason, this
is the game that all these kids are playing.
Like it is a big, you know, 30 kids for some reason.
Like I remember, I wonder who started?
I don't know. I want to make a clip of that
story but have it be 1 of the, you know the clips where it's
like the AI. Robot makes the.
Reddit story, but then they're playing Minecraft on top of it.

(11:54):
I want to do that. I want to have run game running
underneath that clip. Yeah, one of the more stressful
moments of my entire life happened while I was playing
that game. Oh my God.
Do you shit your pants? No no, I've shit my pants plenty
of times in public. I'm I'm used to that.
That doesn't phase me anymore. I do it just for as a bit
sometimes. Doing it now, in fact.

(12:14):
This is the time to do it. We've got garbage.
Yeah, we've got moving blankets.Yeah, hey, if Bailey can puke on
the podcast, then I get to shit my pants as the podcast as a
bit. That's the.
That's the rules. No puking and shitting on the
podcast. But yeah, one of those moments
we're like, is my entire life over indifferent now?
Because, like, because, Katie, what happened?
I had just bought some marijuanafor the first time.

(12:37):
Oh. My God, you bought marijuana.
Marijuana. Drugs.
Devil. 'S lettuce.
I was going to roll them into a cigarette and smoke them like a
cigarette. Wow, I.
Bought it in this little red Tupperware container which is
still made. It's just like the smallest
Tupperware they make. There's like a set of them and
there's a really small one. It's like a nine pan to those of

(12:57):
you who speak Cook. But anyways, it was in that and
I bought it for my friend. Redacted Who is the kid who is
like selling his mom's fucking Tupperware containers?
I know, right? With their fucking cannabis.
Right, like a physical mom's like hey dude, sell drugs.
Don't put in my fucking expensive my nice Tupperware.
Dude, what are you doing? Why would you do that?
Did you? Buy that shit out of a baggie.

(13:19):
Well, I had, I had just bought these these droogs from my
friend Redacted. And I remember the bathroom we
were in. I mean, I can picture stuff.
So I can remember exactly. I remember the haircut he had.
I remember he was wearing. And he gave me this little red
tuberware thing. And I was like, oh, and I
smelled it. And I still to this day,
occasionally I'll encounter a weed that smells exactly like

(13:41):
that. And I'm just like transported.
Like it's always like shitty weed.
It's never like weed. You get a dispensary.
But like somebody's like, yeah, some guy like threw this at me
on the street as he rode away ona scooter.
Like that would be the weed. Like I got this in my box, my
Renfair box of tips, right? Do you know how many bags of
weed people get at the Renfair? Oh, that.
Makes. I guess that makes sense now I'm

(14:01):
thinking. About it, yeah.
Like they just will put in like a fucking dime bag like.
That's scary. But also, you know, it's, I
mean, if some amount of that money was going to go to that
anyways. So it's like just cutting out
the middleman anyway. But I was wearing tight jeans at
the time because it was 9th grade and it was coming out of
my e-mail phase and now moving into my like rock'n'roll, I'm
learning. I'm, I'm now decently good at

(14:22):
guitar now I'm not learning guitar anymore.
Like I am a guitarist and was a freshman year in high school.
And so there was like 5 or 6 people who played guitar.
It was one of them. The upperclassmen were better
anyway. So I was like, I was a
rock'n'roll kid. I mean, it wasn't.
A rock'n'roll kid. I was a rock'n'roll kid living
that rock'n'roll lifestyle. It doesn't matter.
I was wearing tight pants is thepoint.
Gotcha. And it gives me this Tupperware
thing in my whole panel. I thought I was going to be in a

(14:43):
bag. Yeah.
So I was like, I didn't have a backpack on me.
I didn't have anything. I just went in and I was like,
yeah, I'm like, good. I was already shitting my
fucking pants because like, it'sa big deal.
Like buying weave first time at school, like, oh, a, we go
through some yellow. So I assumed it was going to be
a bag. It wasn't a fucking bag.
It was a, it's like the size of a baseball Tupperware fucking
thing. That's so stupid.
And I'm wearing tight jeans. They may have been women's jeans

(15:04):
with like the really tiny pockets.
I can't remember. Probably they, they may well
have been because I remember thepockets being very small and it
was my only option. I didn't bring it back.
I thought it was going to be a little baggy.
So I, I just had to try to get it into my pocket as quickly as
possible. And I was scared to put it in my
locker because they would occasionally do like dog locker
sweeps, you know, And so I was like, if I had it on me, at

(15:25):
least I'm like mobile and I can like throw in the trash or
something like that. I, I don't know, but I was in
health class at the time. So I grabbed the thing and now I
have like a lump on the side of my pants.
I'm like, skinny, like gangly, wiry kid with just a huge.
It looked like an Ed, Ed and Eddie when they put the jaw
Breakers in their mouth, you know, and they're just like, but
then their cheek is just this bulging thing of like a giant

(15:47):
jawbreaker. It was like that.
And I was like, well, it's also Tupperware.
They're like, it's a weird looking thing, but it doesn't
look nefarious. Yeah, you know, it's like weird
that kids got something strange in his pocket.
But like, it's not like it doesn't look like something
sketchy. So I go back to go back to
health class, start playing my run game, you know, and all my
friends are ahead of me now because I fucked off.
You know, they're all in their higher.
Level You want to go buy drugs? I want to go buy drugs like an

(16:08):
idiot like, which is one of the reasons, if not the only reason,
you should not buy drugs in highschool because your friends are
going to get ahead of you and run game and then they're going
to be on the purple levels when you're still on the blue levels.
And that's fucking you don't want to do that.
You don't want to be that guy. So I sit down in the class and I
don't know if anybody else in the class knew that I was doing
that. I think my friend Jordan did.
Shout out to Jordan. Hello.

(16:30):
But I kind of like go back with a sort of like mission
accomplished like and we sit down and we start playing and
that is the day that like one ofthe dare people like comes in on
like a surprise. Oh no.
What did you do this? Cop walks in and it's not the
liaison, it's not what's his name, Mr. Officer Whalen.

(16:51):
It was it was not the big like liaison guy who's always around.
It was like Officer Takaberry. Great.
Name shout out to Officer Takaberry.
For sure, Takaberry. Which I have a very funny story
about, but you tell your. Story was he did he eventually
become an old timey lawyer in the southern court?
She. I guess you said officer.
Yeah. Oh, excuse me.
She, I think she was just a cop and then she retired.

(17:13):
But you tell your story. 1st I mean that's the end of the.
Story the one cop and they you have to like be chill.
Yeah, I had to just be chill. And I was like, because now
we're jugging. I remember I started working on
the goddamn assignment because Iwas like, I'm not doing two
things wrong here. I don't want to give him a
reason. Yeah, to be like, God, the
principal's over. Whatever.
So I'm just sitting here in my class and she's giving this

(17:34):
whole lecture. And I remember she would pace
around the room like, you know, just, I mean, not like in a
weird way, but she was just trying to be visually
interesting and rather than juststanding there, so she would.
Sort of pace around the cop or your health teacher.
The cop and then when she would come around to the side and she
could like look down my row, I would like try to angle my thing
to the side. And I think I eventually got it
so that my pocket was in the space in between my legs.

(17:57):
So it just looked like I had a big ass Dick, you know, But it
was actually drugs. And then I found $5.
I didn't get caught. Everything was fine.
But I just that moment because Inever bought weed before, I was
like, is this, I didn't know. I thought I was going to go to
jail for 1,000,000 billions years or something like that.
I was like, I thought my life was fucking over.
So I just, Oh my God. But every time I play that run
game, I have this lingering, lingering fear that I'm about to

(18:18):
get arrested. That's really funny, actually.
Run game man a little alien man he's this he's like he's like
Bojack and Bojack Horseman like he's the symbol of of that drug
the. Officer Tackberry with our Dara.
Tackleberry. She's a very sweet woman.
She's a very sweet lady, Tackleberry.
But she, I remember very vividlythat I just realized to tell the

(18:43):
story, I have to cop to the factthat sometimes I smoke weed.
But like, we live in California.So loud, so loud.
Whatever. You could just go walk down the
street to your local Apple Store, purchase some.
Yeah, right. From a friendly barista.
Something that a lot of people are in prison for the rest of
their lives for. Sorry, that's really dark, but
also true and worth noting. Yeah, thank you.
So mad. Whenever I see a weed store and
it's all like, people, yeah, oh,let's give it to it.

(19:04):
Like somebody did this yesterdayin Georgia and it happened to be
the third time, and now they're in prison for the rest of their
lives. And I'm just doing this like,
oh, that looks nice that I feel like I'm buying.
Can I sniff that one first? Like, guys, can we do our shit
together here a little bit? Like this is a little bit
ridiculous that it is. If I go a couple miles in that
direction, this is a federal crime that a little, I mean it's
still a technically a federal crime.

(19:25):
Any that's a different story. Yeah, dark.
Taka Taka Berry. Oh, yeah, Office Trackberry.
But yeah, no, you're right. Like it is.
I feel like there's there. Yeah.
Anyway, was it? Oh, so office Trackberry dare
graduation? Just dare graduation and office
Trackberry gets. Dare Graduation.
Is is this gives this impassioned speech about how

(19:48):
she's so proud of all of us and how she she hopes that for the
rest of our lives, if we're everconfronted by someone offering
us drugs or marijuana, she separated us really drugs or
marijuana. She's like, I hope.
And then she started, she started tearing up.

(20:08):
I could I head cannon real quickin my head cannon, she like
always wanted to be an actor, you know, And so now she's not
an actor, but she does get to dothese ceremonies and that's
where she gets her her moment. And so she like practices it.
This is her moment. And so but yeah.
And so she starts like, tearing up and she's like, I just hope
that you picture me and you remember her time together and

(20:32):
you picture me shaking my head and saying no.
And every time I RIP a bomb I picture Officer fucking Tag
Fair. Going try to picture.
No, no, don't, don't do it. No.
I love, I love the big list of things that you can say to
people when they offer you drugs.
Check the. I think it's.

(20:52):
OK, is where we're still. On I feel like I left us a
little bit less headspace than normal because the camera.
Oh, that's right, I'm slouching this way.
I'll just slouch down you. Can also auto level it.
Oh, I love the list of things you can say if somebody offers
you drugs. List of things that you can say
go hey, hey, do you want some drugs?
No thanks, I'm cool. Hey do you want this weed?

(21:13):
No thanks, I have friends. Hey, my dad had these in his.
Drawers wine coolers in his drawer.
Wine coolers was the only alcohol that dare was aware of.
I don't know why in every analogy it was never like you
find a bottle of like beer like it was just wine cooler.
Your friend Jimmy brings over a six or a wine coolers.

(21:34):
Like what the fuck guys this is.A4 white clog listed 2.
I guess it's true, yeah. I wonder what right now?
Like the 5th graders, what is there?
Well. The problem is now the 5th
graders are vaping. All the 5th graders are vaping.
Yeah, I know it's so common. Like, what is it cliche to be
like kids these days or whatever, But like when I was in

(21:56):
fifth grade, we know cell phonesand we had like the really basic
whatever cell phones that like. What were those fucking things?
The Indestructible. Phones, the Nokia.
The Nokia, I don't remember the model number, but yeah, I
remember those. Got brick brakes.
I miss my fucking Nokia fan. But could you imagine how
fucked? Well, I don't want to speak for
you, but how fucked I would be. I know I would be fucked if I

(22:19):
had a little dopamine machine inmy pocket at all times.
Oh yeah, like in like 5th grade,yeah, I would.
Any younger like I would, I would.
I don't know where I would be, but I would not be here.
Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean, I had to figure out
something to do. I had to play with toys and
stuff and they have the best toyever and access to everything
all the time. I mean nothing.
That's. My pads.
Just the concept of like, I don't know, having to find

(22:42):
something or go get something. Like I.
Going to rent a movie or whatever.
Yeah, going to rent movies or even like going to the library.
Like, not to like kids these days, but I do think it's really
interesting. Like people don't know how to
use libraries anymore. I mean I barely know but that's
because I was a garbage student.But like, even still, it was on
the way out when I was growing up.

(23:02):
In grad school, they made us take a, it was like a library
sciences class. And it was basically because
like, you know, it's grad school, there's like a range of
ages. And so they don't want to, like,
assume, but it was like, I remember just being in this
class, I was like, what the fuck?
Like, yeah, you look up the booklike, guys.
But there were people in my class who had never had to do
that before. There were people who had never
had to, like, do like, you know,primary source research and

(23:25):
didn't know how to, like, order books from other libraries or
whatever. And I was like, I feel like I
want to make content about that.Like, I want to be like, hey,
here's how you do this. Yeah, like.
When you said primary source, I really remember in second grade
Miss Burrell, who I can still picture this day, and she said
one day when one of you becomes president, I want you to make
sure you thank Miss Burrell for teaching you how to like use

(23:48):
silent ease or whatever. We were learning at the at the
time. And I remember thinking like
wouldn't be fucking cool. Like I try.
I looked around the room and waslike, remember every single kid
in this class? How cool would it be if one of
them became president or if I became president and I fucking
thank Miss Burrell. Actually, you thought I'd forget
you thought you was kidding. But about old EG dude E GS got
the he's got The Jets, man. He can, he can, he can go far.

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We were learning about the difference between primary and
secondary sources. So it was like a guy on the
street is being interviewed after witnessing a thing like
that primary source. Like he was there, he saw it.
He's saying what happened like primary source.
A guy says that a friend of his told him that some other thing
that frame is like secondary source, like that sort of thing.
And we would also do the difference between facts and
opinions. So it would be like facts.

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The sun is X amount of 1,000,000miles away.
Like fact the Sun is the best star opinion.
Like we did that. I feel like we should have
drilled that more, or at least did it later when it mattered
more. Start doing that.
Again, because early, early lessons like that, you remember
the big things like how to writeand read and stuff like that.
But the minute lessons, they just kind of turn into the blur

(24:54):
of childhood. But I feel like we should do
like the difference between factand opinion, like like freshman
year in high school, but really subtly, you know, not like
obviously like whatever is the best movie has an opinion, but
like, like a headline. The difference between like over
like passive and active voice and headlines.
Oh. Man, we did that in high school.
Did you really? Yeah, and in college, but I took
a lot of like writing classes and stuff in college.

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Yeah, I guess I learned about ithas an active voice, I think
just from like a smart friend ofmine.
And it wasn't a school thing. I had a professor in grad school
who had this like weird aversionto passive voice.
Like weird aversion to the pointwhere like it was like not
allowed in essays. Like you couldn't use passive
voice, but like if you need to explain that someone was hung,

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like he was hung, right? Right.
Fuck. Hanged, hanged.
He was hanging. Some people really care about
that. But he got so mad at me because
I, I just like, that's how I write.
I use the passive voice a lot. And he like, circled all the
fucking instances and like, hungit up on the wall in his fucking
office and shit. Like I was like, Oh my.
God, I guess, especially if it'sit's like if you don't know who
hanged him or something like that, then I guess you could say

(25:58):
someone hangs in. But like you're right now we're
not thinking about who it was. We're thinking about what has
happened to this person. John allowed himself to be hung.
Like, what are you doing? There's a fucking.
I've decided that I could just get up during the podcast now,
but that's what's happening. It makes it dynamic I suppose,
but no passive voice in headlines.
Oh my fucking God. Like New York Times is one of

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the worst at it. Like I grew up reading the New
York Times. I still read the New York Times
for like non political things. Like if there was like a natural
disaster or something like that.It's like, OK, I want the
numbers, I want the times, like that kind of stuff.
But when it comes to like political things and like the
minutia of government and whatnot, holy fuck.
Like the New York Times posted aa headline, this was a while
ago, but it said no food had entered Gaza for two weeks.

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And it just happened. What like why?
How did that happen? Like tweet or whatever plywood
was. Why would the food do that?
Like no, like someone stopped the food from going in.
What's the story like? What do you mean no food is
entered? God's like.
It's like the non committal headlines.
It's like we're not going to saywho's at fault, We're not going
to say who might be the problem because if we do, then it's

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going to be like taking a side, right?
And it's just, well, was it, I think Hassan Mehdi said.
I think it was his original quote, but for some reason,
journalism is sort of I I blame the 24 hour news cycle where
they just have to keep viewers for as long as possible, which I
mean, as content creators, we know that fucking game and it's

(27:25):
can make you do some shit you'd rather not, you know, like, I
don't know, I don't fucking know.
I think about the amount of times I've I've mispronounced a
word in a take and gone like I'mjust going to leave that because
you know, somebody's going to comment like that's not how you
pronounce that. But that is, I guess
technically, miss, I'm, I'm, youknow, somebody who didn't know
how to pronounce that word mightgo like, Oh, that's how you say
and that's not how you say that word anyways.

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But Hassan Mehdi said at some, you know, at some point we
decided that like journalism is,is showing this like reporting
the, the controversy. Who's who's arguing what here
where it's like, no, the journalist's job is if if one
person says it's raining and another person says it's not
raining, the journalist's job isto go outside and check.

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Like that's what it is. It's not meant to being like so
and so said that it's raining. But on the other hand, so and so
said that it's whatever. And the fucking sane washing of
a lot of crazy fucking shit that's going on.
Anyways, I'm just going to startranting.
I feel though, I feel like your childhood like uniquely set you
up to have strong opinions on journalism though too.
Yeah, I guess you have my dad actively like my dad was so.
Cool guy. Journalist.

(28:26):
Yeah. He was yeah, he is.
He is a fucking bad ass. He was in a Mac world magazine
in would have been sometime in the 80s when computers were
first starting getting used for graphic design or not graphic
design, but graphic journalism. And he was like the master of
the Mac was the title of the thing.
And it was my dad with his late 80s beard with a Mac Plus, which

(28:46):
we still had. Which later when I was growing
up in New England in an old house that was had all sorts of
weird little tunnels and stuff like the closets were all
connected because the dormers didn't have like clothes off.
So like it was a closet. But if you go back, it just
turns into like cool A. Senior.
Passage Yeah. So when I was little, I could go
into my closet in my room, I cango all the way down, I could go

(29:09):
above the stairs and then come out in my parents room.
Cool. Awesome And while I was doing
that, one day I found this this it turned into just like deep
storage for like shit. We never use.
I I found a suitcase and I just had to move it out of the way so
I could make a little tunnel. I made this sickest fucking Fort
in this goddamn thing. I'm sorry, I'm going to talk.
So I just this Fort. So immediately I'm excited.

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Thank you. I I found this, the suitcase, I
had to move it and there was like a big hard thing in it.
I was like what the fuck is this?
So I opened it and it was a Mac Plus, which some of you know
what a Mac plus looks like? It's basically a rectangular
monitor looking thing with a floppy disk slot on the bottom.
But in it was also the keyboard and also the mouse and also a
ribbon printer that had the weird hookup to the computer.

(29:52):
Like the type of cable that doesn't fucking exist anymore.
And I was working on a Fort backthere because the the IT was
technically a closet, but my bedwas pushed up against it, which
was a bunk bed. So it was functionally a wall.
And then one of the doors was visible was like a usable door,
but it was very small. It was like a dormer door.
It was small. And there was a sheet of drywall

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separating the doors that were blocked with three doors, small
1-2 large ones. There was a wall separating the
area that the small door LED into separating it from the area
behind the big doors. And it was just one thing of
drywall. So I was I went into it, but it
was it was solid, but it was just one thing of of thin
drywall. Clearly my parents would just

(30:34):
sort of put it up for whatever reason.
So I'm crawling around in this little section.
I'm like, wow, there's like a little cool little room back
here. This is awesome.
I'm gonna make a Ford in here. And it doesn't make in the Ford.
At some point I fall into the wall.
Katie, I have a straight up. Change the game.
Bookcase pulling out, fireplace swings around mom and I fell
into the wall and it just cracked into it and I went whoa.

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At first I was really scared cuzI expect it to be a solid wall
cuz I'm a kid. And I look in and there's a
whole other fucking room back there and it's full of little
bags like baby clothes and stufflike that that I don't remember.
So it's just artifacts to me. It's all these little bags and
stuff, and I crawl back there and it's like whoa.
And so I start and one moment, just like those little games

(31:17):
where you slide the tiles aroundto.
Try to, yeah. Yeah, and there's one empty
tile, so you can just slide them.
It was like that. There was just enough room for
me to get in there, but I could maneuver bags.
And so I started maneuvering allthe bags, and I maneuvered all
the bags. And so there was like a little
flat area and then I smooshed a bunch of bags up into the wall
against the wall. And then I put another set of
bags in front of that wall and then brought a blanket in there,

(31:41):
put it over those bags, tucked it in between them in the
center. Got myself a couch.
Nice. Got myself a couch in there.
There were a couple boxes. So I probably would move it
until the boxes had a little spot and I would turn them so
that like the flat side was on top table.
No big deal. I got a couch.
I got a table. That's all you need.
Snuck a little light in there, got lighting.

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I made a little fainting couch. You know, that was just some.
Couch. Well, I wanted a bed.
I wanted a couch in a bed, OK, Because I'm at this point, I'm
like, I live here now. Yeah, Like, this is where I
live. I'm gonna have friends over.
I'm gonna host dinner parties inhere.
You know, It's gonna be amazing.How old were you?
I fucked with that Fort between probably 6 to 10.
OK, OK. That's a good time.

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That's like a that's like a goodtime to a build off course.
Because it was, it was also fucking secret.
Yeah. I mean, maybe they knew, but
like they were secret. I would go in there at night and
shit like that. It was awesome.
And then I found this fucking computer.
And so I'm like, this is the best thing that has ever
happened to me. So I take the Mac and I don't
know any. I haven't set up a regular

(32:43):
computer. I barely like.
I know how to set up an N64. So I knew how to like go, oh,
there's a port and a cable. Find the cable that goes in the
port. And so I set up this Mac plus
and I set up the keyboard and I set up the mouse and I put it by
the fainting couch so I can lie like on my stomach on the
computer. And I get the fucker booted up.
I like wired a, a cord of the extension cord in there and I

(33:06):
booted the fucker up and it was the one of the best moments.
I fucking like and I was like, holy shit.
And I start clicking around. There was a game on it called
the Scarab of Raw where you basically just walk down a
hallway and it's like a maze game.
It's all 2 dimensional. But it was like early, early
computer, like pre Doom computergame.
Yeah, it's awesome. Played it around, played it,

(33:27):
played it, played it. And then I found on it there was
a bop bop, bop bop graphic design software.
I don't remember what it was called, but just like the most
basic thing. But my brother's birthday was
coming up. Speaking of which, it's my
brother's birthday today. I have to call him.
My brother's birthday was comingup.
And so I made in this thing a little cake I could draw like a
circle and I could draw. And I made little candles and I

(33:48):
drew a thing and I could type. And I said, happy birthday,
Cole. And then I got the printer and I
hooked the printer up and I got the computer to recognize the
printer. And in my Fort, in my Fort with
my computer that I found on my couch that I made in my Fort
that I discovered like a fuckinglike Indiana goddamn Jones, I
printed out, successfully printed out this little thing

(34:10):
and gave it to my brother for his birthday.
And my dad was like, what the fuck is that?
Like what? Because he obviously recognized
the program. He recognized what printer was
off of because it was his. And so he's like, that computer
is in a suitcase in like the depths.
No, it's not of the closet. What?
And I was like, oh, my dad is way too big to fucking get in

(34:33):
this fork. But he can kind of squeeze in
and poke his head and he saw what I did.
And I imagine that was probably one of the more prouder moments
of mine. Come on, my dad's entire life
that like his kid, had the wherewithal to find this
computer, figure out how to set it up and also this cool ass
Fort that he built, and then learn to use a program, learn to
hook up the printer, all withouthim even knowing it happened.

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Not to mention I had virtually no access to the Internet.
I mean, it was early in IT so I couldn't research stuff.
Anyways, I don't remember how that story started, but best
Fort I've ever made by far best like closet discovery I, I made
ever. So it was, it was awesome.
That was a really long story, but I fucking loved that Fort.
I brought so many friends into that Fort and we would write
secrets on the on the like, because it's dormant sailing.

(35:15):
So it's a big curve and it wouldwrite secrets.
And I was in love with this campgirl, this LARP camp girl.
I wasn't LARP camp for me yet because I was too young, which
was for her because she was older than me.
Her name was Sarah S So it said I'm in love with Sarah S And
then actually that gets scribbled out because I
eventually got a crush on this girl named Emma, and I wrote
that down. But yeah, a bunch of secrets in

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there, a bunch of cool secrets. And there's a picture of that,
of the secrets. I think when we moved out and my
parents were clearing out the house, my dad took a picture of
all the secrets that didn't, like, written, scratched out and
stuff. Also, I slept in there a couple
times, and then my dad told me Ihad to stop because it would be
hard to get out in a fire, whichis reasonable.
That's reasonable, yeah. Do you have Christmas lights
going in there? I didn't have Christmas lights

(35:58):
going in there. I had one Christmas light space.
I really would have been perfectfor Christmas lights.
Yeah, I think all of our Christmas lights just lived on
the fence in our front yard because we just wouldn't take
them off. We would just only plug them in
around Christmas, which I think is a goaded fucking strategy
anyway. So forts, computers, I don't
remember when I started talking about that, but it was awesome.

(36:18):
Love building forts, man. And still, it's one of like
amenities. That's what I was thinking.
I was like, I need to make it a workable area.
And then amenities, you know, couch, desk, whatever.
I don't know your house. I've been to your childhood
house before. At least I've seen the outside
of it that looks like there weremaybe some secret passageways
and stuff. No, really, it looks.
Like it's devastating. One of my one of my true adult

(36:38):
goals is to have like a bookcasethat open because I had there
were no secret passages. There's nothing.
My mom is something of a pack rat, which may not surprise you
at all. And so we have like there's like
a, we have like a finished basement.
And then there's like a like a basically like a storage room

(36:59):
that runs like all the way behind it.
And then there's like a closet. Yeah.
Not a lot of like good like Fortareas.
This is the thing. Yeah.
We had a we had a little, my momgot like somebody at her work
bought like a new refrigerator or something like got good.
There was like a big box. Refrigerator boxes.
Dude, And I remember one time mymom brought home this like

(37:20):
really big box and we like turned it into like a like a
cool like little Playhouse thing.
I remember that it was this uglyass.
Like it was just like all like leftover shit that my mom had
from like stuff around the house.
And so it was like this ugly assblue contact paper like you put
in the bottom of drawers and my mom just for whatever reason,

(37:41):
had rolls and rolls of this likeblue contact paper.
And so, yeah, so it was like we put like wallpaper up in the
house and stuff and like that was cool.
And there was like a little hanging lamp cool.
But that was like the only like Fort like thing I had.
I always wanted like a tree house.
You were like. I was an inside kid though.

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You were inside like bookie kid.Yeah, I was an inside.
I keep thinking of AI was more like Calvin and you were more
like Susie. Yeah, I was kind of Susie.
Like I, I was like, I'll go intothe woods, but like, I don't
want to be dirty, you know what I mean?
That was kind of, you know, before like I started like
liking girls, but when I did start being like, for some

(38:23):
reason I really want that girl to think I'm cool.
You know, like that initial thing where it was I didn't know
what romantic even was, but it was just like, I want her to
think my I'm cool. Like for some reason it's very
important to me that she thinks I'm cool.
But there was my parents made friends at some parent thing
book club, I don't know. And they had a daughter who was
similarly my age and she was a weird making stuff kid And I was

(38:46):
it was immediately obvious I wasa weird making stuff kid.
I was always nailing shit together and glue and stuff and
whatever. And apparently she had built,
she had taken like, I don't knowif they were actually like beer
boxes, but like that type of material that like thick
cardstock. And she made a little castle out
of it with a working drawbridge that had strings attached to it.

(39:06):
And she would pull it and the drawbridge would go up and it
was weighted. So she would just, like, untie
it. It would just go down.
And I was like, this is the coolest girl I've ever seen.
I didn't know girls did stuff like that.
I didn't know girls did stuff like this.
Oh my God. Oh, my God, this is awesome.
And so one day she come over to my house.
I can't remember her name, but Ican picture she had like, sort

(39:27):
of frizzy hair. She was very quiet until.
She wasn't quiet, but she was like, she clearly had just a
very vivid, like, inner world, you know, So like, she would be
very quiet and just kind of OK. Yeah, sure.
Hey, do you want to go get thoseboxes and see if we can take it?
Like, it was just very that. And so she came over one day and
it was like impromptu, like it wasn't.

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My parents just came back with their friends and she was just
there. And we're the same age.
So they put us like go and I waslike, do you want to see my
fucking Fort? And that was the first time I
had I think the first and the only time I ever had a girl in
that Fort because I was a kid. So I only had like a couple like
real friends and it was Buzzy Ripberger, Steven Brown were my

(40:09):
two really close friends at the time.
Anyways, I feel like you and I would have had a certain if we
were the same age at the same time during that, I think we
would have had a lot of Oh, the reason I brought that up was a
lot of times with my like. Fort Endeavors, especially if
they were like in the woods, it was all about making it nice in
case a girl comes over, especially after that, because

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that was like there's a possibility that a girl could
actually come over like that's crazy.
So it was always about sort of making it nice.
So in my head and still to this day, when I make like little
forts, I'm always like, if I hadlike special company, which you
which which is you, by the way, I'm always like, how am I going
to make it so that they don't have to worry about like getting
dirt under their nails or whatever?

(40:50):
Because that's it was the early 2000s.
It was like glam fast. So girls all have really long.
Yeah. So I would have made you a nice
sport. I would have made it nice.
And I want to make sure that youdidn't have to deal with any
bugs or dirt and you have a niceplace to sit.
And I would go get you whatever you wanted and you.
Could I have a little shelf for my Nancy Drew books?
Of course. Absolutely.

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Oh my gosh, Babysitters Club. Yeah, I would even I'd even
bring you a little battery powered light from the camping
box. That's so nice.
I'm kind of sad that we weren't friends when we were kids.
I know that would have been so fun.
I feel like we have like Carl and Ellie vibes.
They just like just weird little.
Kids from up, Yeah, yeah. Because we're very different
kind of weird. Kids like you were a very

(41:32):
bookish. You could read any book in like
10 minutes, you know? I feel like I would have like
really contributed to your like criminal activity, like because
I would have been like the one who was like, hey, I just read
this book about how to make a bomb or like whatever.
Like, did you know that this like chemical reaction would be
like, Eric, what's up? I think you you would have you

(41:54):
would have like lent direction and into context.
So I would like make a weird thing and you'd be like, oh,
interesting. The the Greeks would actually
use that to, you know, sling objects very fast or something
like that and like you can do that.
I do feel very strongly that we would have constructed a
trebuchet. At some point, I still stand by,
I invented the sling. I mean, obviously the sling was

(42:17):
invented thousands of years ago,but I was not aware of that when
I invented the sling. I didn't know that was a thing
yet. I had a piece of sea glass that
was a ring. It was like the bottleneck, but
it was nice and smooth. It's heavy, it's hefty little
fuck. And I got a piece of string and
I tried a loop around one end ofthe string and I would put the
string through the little hole in the sea glass and then hold
the other end of the string. So I have string connected to
my, my finger string that I'm holding loop and thing.

(42:40):
And if I swung it around and then let go of one end of the
string, this thing would go flying.
And then I found out the sling existed, which is cool.
You know, I got beaten to the punch.
But I do like to think that if Iwas alive back then, before the
sling it was invented, I would have come to.
The same conclusion. Yeah, God, I would have been a
fucking God if I existed in, youknow, 3000 BC.
Assuming I liked survived all the crazy shit that just killed

(43:02):
them, yeah. We you you assume you get
through childhood, you're prettymuch fine.
Yeah, yeah, My, my 8, my eight brothers didn't, but luckily
they had. She was my mom was pregnant 16
times successfully twice becauseit is 3000 BC and the average
age of death is 23. Pottery do.

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You want these drugs? No thanks, I have frant Fuck, I
used that one. You did?
No thanks, I love Jesus. That's my school.
That's your school. Yeah, that's what that's.
What my school would have said. I've never had a wine cooler.
I had a wine cooler, yeah. I don't even know what that is.
It's like, is it like a? Yeah.

(43:45):
What is it? It's like a, it's like a boozy
slushy. Oh really?
It's like, it's like icy. Yeah, you like put them in the
freezer? Really.
Yeah, that sounds kind of gross.Yeah, they're disgusting.
Wine. Cooler like sugary headache
juice I. Want to like that would be a fun
conceptual Halloween costume. Well, you're not actually

(44:07):
cooler. Yeah.
Well, yes, a wine cooler. But like the the fictional, like
the hypothetical person from allof those cartoons.
Are you wearing like, a red logolist shirt?
You know, that's maybe a little bit too big.
Backwards red. Yeah.
You know what's the name for that?
The hats that have the little clips on them, the little
straps. A.

(44:28):
Snap back. Yeah, snap back like a a snap
back, Red Hat backwards. Backwards, maybe.
Sideways, it may be spicy. Maybe sideways.
I was thinking backwards with a little tuft of hair coming
through, like the ponytail hole.Yeah, yeah, You know those
really light colored blue jeans,Like light light colored blue
jeans, straight legged and I'm thinking.

(44:48):
Shoes like boots, like Doc Martens.
You think? Yeah, yeah, maybe, yeah, maybe
like Nike shocks. Yeah.
You know, I don't know. Yeah, no, maybe, maybe boots and
then just go around with like comically ridiculous drugs, you
know, like, I don't know, like A1 singular pot leaf in a bag,
you know, or. Like like this drug?

(45:08):
Or just like a Greek bottle thatsays wine cooler on it and
remember and just like offer it to people.
Hey, do you want to, you know, like that would be funny.
Just see who goes. No, no, no.
Thanks, I'm fine. We're bad.
We're bad at that. I'm bad at.
That I could try to remember thedare ones like.
I feel like I blocked them out. I remember there were also like

(45:29):
the weird excuses where it was just like, no thanks, I'm not
smoking weed like you were supposed to.
You could like, you were allowedto lie.
Yeah. Like I.
Have to go help my brother. Yeah, it was OK to lie if you
were, like, avoiding. If you were avoiding drugs,
Yeah, like, no thanks, I have todrive later.
And then you're 11 and. Then I remember encountering

(45:49):
drugs like, you know, in high school and stuff like that, and
in the situations in which you actually were offered drugs.
Because one, if you're doing drugs, you have to find drugs.
You know, it's rare that somebody offers you drugs.
Like, it's a very rare circumstance.
Although I guess if you're a little kid who knows, there's
all sorts of weird shit you haveto worry about when you're a
little kid. But I remember being at like a
party when somebody actually did.

(46:10):
I was like in a room and I was like scared because it was my
first party and they were passing a bomb around.
And then eventually it got to meand somebody just went like, you
know, it's like here. And I remember thinking, this is
that moment. Holy shit.
And I was, I mean, I already even spoken we at the time, I
was definitely going to hit the bottom.
But like that wasn't even the question.
I was absolutely going to. Hit the bottom, Yeah.
I mean, fuck. It though, but I remember
thinking that I'm like holy shit, like this is the first

(46:31):
time in my life a stranger has offered me drugs.
This is that moment. Could you fucking imagine if
right now I like could no thank you, I'm in love with Christ or
whatever, weed doesn't leave room for Christ or, I don't
fucking know, whatever the things were in the book.
But could you imagine the epic fucking social faux pas that

(46:53):
that would be? I would have probably gotten the
shit kicked out of me, you know?And then I remember thinking,
like, if you really wanted kids to really be equipped, when
somebody offered them drugs, like in a functional, pragmatic
way, you would tell them to say no thank you.
Yeah, like, no man, I'm cool. No, I'm good.
Thanks. Yeah, you know, because that's
all, that's all you have to say.They don't care if you've smoked

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the drugs they just like. The thing is, I'm being.
Polite. I don't give a shit if you
fucking hit. It like I have never been in a
situation where like a joint or like a like bomb or whatever is
being passed around and I'm like, I'm good.
No, it's like. What what like.
Doing that drug. Drugging.
Like I'm like they're like OK, like nobody gives a shit.
Yeah, when people are having your drugs, it's usually like
just a formality. It's just a Yeah, it's.

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You're in the circle and so polite to pass it to the next
person. Like, oh man, I'm good.
You can just go thanks and just.Hang.
You don't even have to acknowledge it.
You can be like, oh, thanks, andthen just pass it to the next
person without saying anything. That's it, That's it.
That's all you have to do. That's all you got to do.
I just I almost. No thanks.
I'm cool, right? Like I got I want.
To look at that, I make good decisions.
I make good decisions like you have to talk shit about them

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passive. Aggressively.
You have to like passive aggressively.
Like, dude, you're going to get kids fucking hurt if you're
hanging out with the wrong people when you're 15 and you
get offered drugs and you're a fucking Dick about it.
Like, that could be a potentially dangerous situation.
Like, you don't want to, you want to be cool.
You want to, you know, don't do the drugs if you don't want to
do the drugs. But.
Like, yeah, don't do drugs. I mean, don't.
Do drugs be? Cool.
We're going to have to like put a special like, hey, don't let

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your children listen to this episode.
Fine. I feel like sometimes we don't
talk about stuff because like I'm worried that like we're
going to get in trouble, but I'mlike, it's actually totally fine
to have this conversation. Like in my head I'm like.
I'm going to. Where are our answers?
Largely adults. You know, it says explicit on
the thing. Yeah, we're fine.
It does say explicit on the thing, right?
Do you listen? To it does say.
Yeah, for sure does. We've probably been recording

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for a bit long here, but how? Long do you think we've been
recording? 35 minutes no.
Way 50. 50. 50. No, yeah, wow, I was way off.
Oh, well, then I guess never mind.
We can. Well, I was just going to say I
feel like the day I bought weed for the first time was the day
my PDA, my pathological demand avoidance be like entered its

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final form, you know, or like mature it leveled into its from
Pikachu to Raichu. We're like, oh, now something
we're really, really not supposed to do because before
that, everything you're not supposed to do is like, stay out
past a certain time or like go to that friend's house whose dad
has a like, an air rifle in the in the garage or something.
Like, they're minor little rules, but like, you're really

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not supposed to do drugs naturally.
I really was interested in doingdrugs.
So I don't know. I just feel like that was
literally the day that I was like, wow, this is the first
seriously, really wrong thing that I'm doing.
That's bad, you know? Yeah, yeah.
And I feel like that was the beginning of the next phase of
it. And then the next phase after

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that would be when I moved to California when I was 18.
Which he'll talk about. After.
Next episode. I suppose next episode.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's.
Fine. Well, hey everybody.
Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for being here.
Do we have any announcements? Gen.
Con, Gen. Con, You're gonna be at Gen.
Con. Gen.
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It's got cayenne pepper in it. It's got a little cayenne pepper
in it. It blows into your eyes when you
open the e-mail. Engineer a little rig.
Maybe maybe I'm doing PAX U question mark, but that's for a
minute. Dragon Con is happening.
I still don't know my schedule for Dragon Con.
That's it, That's it, That's all.

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Yeah. Cool.
All right, well, our poor sick doggie is just so tragic.
She. Looks like she's doing a little
better. She's.
Doing a little better. She hasn't been coughing as much
today. She.
Hasn't been coughing as much today.
I agree, I do want to go get hersome like soft food or something
because I think she's hungry butshe doesn't want to eat the
Kipees because her throat hurts.Yeah, maybe like pumpkin stuff.
We have pumpkin over there, but like, I was going to get chicken

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or something. It doesn't matter anyway.
Hey, we're still recording. Hey everybody, thanks for being
here. Thanks for listening to the
show. Hey, if you haven't left us a
review, you could do that that. 'D be cool if.
You wanted if you have left us areview, you could open a new
e-mail address and leave us a review again.
That's all I got. So yeah, remember to drink some

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water. Remember that weird dream you
had that one time with the guy with a weird face that was like
not it was your dad, but it likeit wasn't?
Remember to take your meds. Remember that time you hit a
homeless man with your car and you just kept driving?
That's final destination. Is it?
Remember the time that you they that someone knew what you did
last summer. Oh yeah, I was.

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Also, I feel like I shouldn't just straight up plagiarize
Family Guy jokes on an actual podcast that we could
potentially make money off of it.
That's true. Seth Mcfarlane's going to come
for you. He knows you exist.
Yeah, my former boss. Your former former boss.
He was my boss's boss, so he doesn't know my face, but he has
seen my work and so far I'm bad.In 1000, he's seen three things
that I've made, and every time he's gone, yes, like he himself

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personally has gone, has been. That's good.
The fruits of your labor. That's true.
Hell yeah. Dude 4 separate.
OK, actually, remember to eat his neck.
Remember to take your meds. Remember to drink your water.
Remember to be kind to yourself.Remember to be kind to others.
Remember not to let Eric participate in the closing.
Goodbye. Bye.
Remember that we love you, Katie.
Do the closing because that's the most important one at the
end. Remember that.

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Bye. What did you?
Say, remember that you. You know it's too late now.
You know it doesn't mean anything now they know it's
fake. They know.
They know that you have to be reminded to say it so.
Secretly, I hate everyone. Secretly, I'm a fucking Android.