January 7, 2025 • 53 mins
Welcome to another packed episode. This week we have:
Frank Schofield:
On-Air Personality & Executive Producer for Cumulus Media from the mid-90s to the early 2000s, Frank has an extensive background in Radio hosting, production, and sales. Moving into the late 2010s Frank was the Director of Live Entertainment and Media Services for the Harrisburg University of Science and Technology for 6 years.
In this episode we get into his experiences in Radio and Live Entertainment, and how things have evolved in the last few decades.
Public Disco Porch:
2023 Best Folk Band CPMA Winner.
Formed by Spencer McCreary in York, PA. Public Disco Porch is a 4 piece band with a unique blend of Folk and Metal.
In this episode we dive into the recording style and effort that goes into the creative and old-school mixing to produce the sound that is Public Disco Porch. We get some background of the band, Spencer's inspirations, and some info about the new album they released in 2024 - "Benediction".
Make sure to stay to the end for a live acoustic performance of the song "Matthew 27:52"!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Central Pennsylvania Music
Podcast Tonight Frank Schofieldand Public Disco Porch.
This episode is sponsored byMembers, First and now your
hosts, Daniel Kime and AlanMcCutcheon.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello and welcome to the Central Pennsylvania Music
Podcast.
I'm your host, daniel, and I'myour co-host, alan, coming up.
We have Frank Schofield andPublic Disco Porch.
Stay tuned for another awesomeepisode.
We are sitting here with FrankSchofield, longtime Central
Pennsylvania Music promoter.
Frank, thank you so much forcoming out on the show tonight.
We really appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks for having me guys.
Absolutely, I appreciate it.
Episode.
We are sitting here with frankscofield, longtime central
pennsylvania music promoter.
Frank, thank you so much forcoming out on the show tonight.
We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I appreciate it, of course, man.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We're really excited to have interesting little set
you have here oh, thank you,thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We, uh, we built it ourself.
We're very proud.
We actually did really.
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I don't want to say we should have like our own hgtv
show, but we did pretty goodfor being amateurs.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
There was a conversation that I said it.
If things don't work out with apodcast, we could probably
start a remodeling company.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If you look past the seam together carpets that you
can't see on the camera.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
a little inside information there, but thank you
very much for the compliment.
I appreciate it Absolutely.
We try to put little piecestogether as our journey goes on.
I think it's coming togetherpretty nicely.
Yeah, certainly Appreciate it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So, frank, you've been, as I said you know,
longtime music promoter.
Let's talk about that.
But first, as we do with mostof our episodes, I'd like to
start at the beginning with you.
Sure, how did you get into this?
Where did all this start foryou?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I was in radio for a real long time radio with the
Bruce Bond late afternoon show,and I kind of got my chops there
just being in entertainment,producing shows, you know.
Back then and it kind of justevolved and I did that for six,
seven years.
We were doing shows in multiplecities like Vegas, chicago, all
over the place, new York Citydoing this and that.
And then this is while you werein high school.
(02:00):
Yeah, no, it was after highschool it was in my early 20s.
That's awesome, though the 20sare the weirdest part of it.
Do you ever look back, yeah,and look at the 20s and be like
what was that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
all about Right, what was I?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What happened?
What was?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
even that.
Because you don't make muchmoney right.
And you kind of just getthrough it and you on that, and
I made all this work yeah, youknow, it's honestly sometimes a
surprise.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's like you're.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's like your second time being a teenager and you
don't really do much betterright, exactly right, and being,
and then growing up, then youknow radio.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There wasn't really internet back then, so it's just
radio was just like you werekings, like if you said it was
going to snow on a sunny day,like people are, like they were
getting out their snow shovels,like really having that, because
there was no internet, therewas no anything like that.
So radio was like a whole othermonster than it is you know
right now.
So I was really lucky to likebe part of that, be part of that
world.
We're top.
I was an 80s dj, I was a top 40.
(02:55):
You know I just get be a shockjock producer and then be an 80s
dj and all that stuff.
So I really had a prettyblessed background and it really
said the 80s are like.
I feel like in my opinion, Iobviously did not live through
the 80s were nuts man, that'swhat I'm saying it's like being
a radio dj in the 80s that hadto have been like such an
(03:15):
incredible experience abc, duranduran, kaja, gugu, like all the
, all the cool stuff, golly, andthen, and then you got into the
90s and then you know beingmusic backeties and then you
know being music back.
Then it was just, it was justsuch a blessing just to get
through.
It was just so, so much fun.
That's awesome.
So, producing all these shows,it was natural for me just to
kind of put that all together,to be a promoter, to figure out
(03:38):
you know how to put a showtogether and how to do this and
that, and so that was kind of mybeginnings.
I was in sales for a little bitbut then, you know, it really
led me to be a promoter thenafter that that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
What I gotta ask was it did you ever find it
difficult to like?
You had the skill set frombeing a radio dj, but did you
ever find it kind of difficultto like put the microphone down,
like to be like, oh, like, I'mnot going to be on the airwaves
anymore.
I'm going to take the skill setthat I learned through this but
, I'm not going to be like inthe spotlight, so to say, was
that ever hard?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
no, because I feel like I always it's part of my
character, like I got a couplepersonalities and that's just
one of them yeah and that's justpart of the sales process, you
know, like being a producer orbeing on air, you just kind of
just like it's all the sameprocess, you know sure you want
to, you want to have a goodfront, you want people like you
and you want to just put out andjust do what's best for the
conversation and those kind ofjust kind of move through each
(04:28):
other Like the process doesn'tchange much, whatever you do in
life.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know, good people do good things for good people.
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And if it's not?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
if you're not a good person, then you're a bad person
and just kind of have faith inwhat you're doing.
You know good things willhappen to you, and that's kind
of kind of the way I kind offorged through.
So all these skill sets that Ikind of developed, they just
kind of played into one another.
You know, and then you meetthis one person.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
that person helps you out, and then you know, next
thing, you know, and it's justkind of the steps in the ladder
just kind of kind of soundsexactly like how this formed.
Wow, yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, and not all days are great but there's days
that that are great but butthings are hard and you just
kind of keep, just, you know,getting through it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah absolutely, but promoting shows is so much fun.
Yeah, it really is great.
So what are some like thebiggest differences you've seen
over the years that you've beendoing this?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, when I started it was right before COVID, it
was probably three years beforethe shutdown and the shutdown
things just kind of like shutdown real quick.
And then when they came backthere was a little bit of a
different attitude and there wasa little bit of a different.
The artist needed you.
After the shutdown happened,you, different, the artist, the
art, you, the artist needed you.
(05:45):
After the shutdown happened,you know you needed the artist,
you needed the artist to come.
So that's when the demandstarted and that's when, you
know, the prices got a littledifferent and artists were
charging more and more and itkind of got a little harder for
promoter to try to get his nut,to try to push through that.
Um, and now you, now theartists, they're charging so
(06:07):
much.
I mean, there's so much,there's not much.
The guy in the middle, thepromoter, is really the guy
that's having the hardest time.
I believe, that In this modernday, I mean it's really angled
against the promoter.
The venue will do well, but themiddle guy is always the guy
that's really kind of sufferingthese days.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We always hear, especially on the internet.
You can't believe everythingyou read on the internet.
Surprise, surprise.
But we see a lot with LiveNation.
Take it, master, all theseextra search.
I saw this joke.
It's like oh, $35 forprocessing fees, $10 for because
you can't do anything about it,fee a $15 fee because, well,
(06:47):
we're already charging you fees,so we're going to keep charging
you fees.
It just kind of gets out ofcontrol From you working in your
position how much have youreally seen and how that?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
is that truly really what it is?
It's hard and you know thetoughest thing is the big shows
do really well.
You know, taylor got hurt, likeeveryone.
The big shows do really well.
It's the bottom tier ones thatare really hurting.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I shouldn't say hurting, but it's just a harder
grind yeah, you know it's aharder ceiling to break at the
club level and you know, just totry to get that through.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But you, you got to realize live entertainment is so
big.
It could be a church, it couldbe a field affair.
There's so many avenues thatthere's so many opportunities
for people in the industry toget involved in live
entertainment yeah there's somany jobs that people don't even
think about.
That are live entertainment.
This, right here, what you'redoing now, this is live
entertainment.
This is entertainment andthere's so many areas, you know,
(07:36):
for kids to get involved andfor people to have jobs and
there's just so much more roomand the podcast how about it
like they exploded?
how about it?
Yeah, don't stop like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's such a good time to be in it, but it's also it's
such a flooded industry rightnow.
But it that you guys are theluckiest in the world yeah, you,
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You guys create, just created this.
You created your own radiostation, your own network.
You're up on youtube, bam bambam.
Back then, being on the radiowas something different, or
having your own show wassomething different, where you
had to really fight and applyand, like you know, apply your
craft and really have to knowsomeone to get through.
Now it's like you go to staples,you get a mic, you do this, you
that, you pop it up and boom.
Now you got you have to havethe work ethic you got to put
(08:13):
through the shows which you guysare doing.
Yeah, Um, but you can really doit.
And now it's just so open foreverybody, you know, for
communication and it's the samefor the artist.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
it's so hard for an artist to break through these
days oh yeah same I still don'tknow the formula.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I've done 150 shows or whatever.
I can't tell you.
I know the formula for how toget known or how to pop through
that cycle it's really difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's funny, you said, because I was going to ask
is, like you know, you said itwas kind of hard for the
middleman to kind of, like youknow, get his portion whatever.
So how did you tackle that like?
How did you like, when youstarted seeing that happening,
like man, like these prices aregetting ridiculous, like you
know, because you obviously I,I've seen interviews with you
and everything- yeah yougenuinely care for the artist.
Like you're like dude.
Like 11 am, the artist shows up.
(08:58):
You know they need things likewhatever it's like you're.
You're not just like they'rekind of just like lollygagging
around.
Like you're there, like if theyneed, like a doctor, if they
need, you know, to get theirclothes done, they need a yoga
instructor or something likethat.
Like you're the guy.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So we've had.
We've had situations where,like a tour manager will cause
before going, hey, we need adoctor tomorrow morning.
We're in chicago, we'll bethere tomorrow morning.
And you know, terry has asomething's wrong with terry's
foot and we need a podiatrist tolook at this, or someone's sick
with the flu or something likethese tours they're on the road,
they don't know where they are.
Yeah, they're out for twomonths straight city to city to
(09:34):
city.
You know they're playing on amonday night somewhere.
Tuesday night they're inchicago, you know, the next
night they're in harrisburg, youknow, and they, they have
barely have time to figure outhow to eat or how to do their
laundry or how to figure out.
So it's really a discipline forthem to learn how to live.
These are all kids trying tofigure it out.
It's a it's a tough, toughgrind, but they also have to
(09:55):
take care of their health.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
They got to take care of.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You know, you know what it's like when you don't
feel well and then.
But you got to go out, you gotlike.
You got like 60 days to proveyourself, to get that shot, to
get to that next level, and youcannot fall apart, you can't do
whatever it's true, you got togo out and give you know 80
minutes of the best night ofyour life and you have to make
everyone feel like it's theirshow and you have to win over
(10:19):
every person that they're goingto want to see you the next time
they're going to want to buyyour album.
They're going to want to seeyou the next time they're going
to want to buy your album.
They're going to buy t-shirtsin the back.
They're going to want to loveyou and it's their private
secret, like you are theirprivate secret, and you know
that's the best part of liveentertainment.
You know I've always said thatlive entertainment is always the
best way to timestamp people'smemories.
There's no other medium thatdoes it.
If you need a book or if yousee a movie or if you know watch
(10:42):
tv or something like that,that's in comparison.
When you go to a concert,whether it's at hershey or xl or
anywhere else, or whitaker orwhatever you know at that moment
, you know how much money youhad, what kind of girlfriend you
had, what relationship you were, what kind of car you're
driving.
It's the only medium orexperience that really time
stamps your memory in life orwho you were at that particular
(11:03):
time.
There's no other medium orexperience that does that, but
live entertainment does it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, you're not wrong, yeah that's the beautiful
part.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
My mind right there, oh my God, absolutely, because I
just thought back to like Right, think about your favorite show
when I went to see Panic at theDisco.
I was driving a Honda Element.
I knew who I was dating.
Oh my God, you blew my mindyeah.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, I'm telling you , music is magic, music is
healing.
Like you said, music can freeze, frame memories.
Music transcends language.
Music is such, it's a blessing.
It's crazy, and I'll tell youwhat else it is.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's yours and it's your secret, and it's who you
are and you know.
Whatever you like is differentthan what he likes or this guy
likes or whatever, but it's yoursecret and you know about it.
And when you're going to go seea show, you know that's, that's
your experience, you know.
I mean, I like this guy.
I got turned on to this guynamed Neil Bacar or something
like that, and he's in Texas orsomething like that, and he's
(12:00):
this kind of twang or whatever,but it's my secret, I know about
it and I know you guys don'tknow that.
And then if you share it withsomeone else, that's how you
relate to other people.
That's why music and liveentertainment is so special for
so many people.
You know, and it's just youknow I'm defined by music.
My passion kind of bleedsthrough in it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But you know, whatever you're I don't know if
anyone's picking up on thatright now.
The way you're talking, youobviously are very unpassionate
about this.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I'm sorry, but it's really who you are and it really
breaks down to the fabric.
But there's so many artists outthere.
There are so many artists outthere that even when you look at
Apple Music, I don't even knowsometimes how Apple Music or
Spotify work.
Sometimes these playlists cometo me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'm like where did this come from?
Why is this coming up all thetime?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
but it's always something that relates to you
and it's always something thatworks for you, and then it's
kind of yours and then you knowthe next time out, and then you
hear it on xpn radio and thenyou're like listening on the
regular radio and then it's inyour car you know, now, all of a
sudden facebook, you're cooking.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Now there's an advertisement for a show for
them that's coming near you.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You're like wait a minute you know now the struts
are coming to town or you knowPaul Cawthon is going to be here
.
You know stuff like that andit's yours.
That combination of thosedifferent artists are yours and
we take so much pride.
We take so much pride in thedifferent kind of music that we
like.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's our own music collection in our head and it
defines who we are, and I thinkthat's the beautiful thing of
life and how it just intertwinesI don't think there's like
anything cooler than like whenyou have that one unique artist
that not a lot of people knowabout yeah you like and you meet
someone else and they know themlike that, just that joy you
can.
You're like, wait, you likethem too.
You're like this little kid,yeah, that's happened to me a
ton of times.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'm like wait, you know this person uh-huh, and
they're like yeah I love it.
I'm like, oh, that's great youknow I'm not alone.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We just become best friends.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Exactly.
You get all excited, you know,and that's why, when people come
together to see shows, they getexcited too, because they just
love that passion, they justlove that experience of being
together.
And then, you know, everyonejust goes their own way and goes
home.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, I think that's what kind of drives the music
community as a whole is, becauseeverybody has that love for
everyone.
It is.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They want everyone to have that feeling and feel that
way and have their ownexperiences.
Yeah, live entertainment justreally just pushes those
boundaries and really justbrings things together.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And speaking of passion and speaking of all this
stuff and all these experiences, I mean you've put on some
pretty legendary shows.
I was going to ask tell usabout some of your favorite
shows that you had to put on.
If you could boil it down to atop three yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean there's big ones and small ones.
I mean you can have.
I could say Paul Cawthon, Icould say the National Death Cab
for Cutie.
We had them a ton of times.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That was one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
We had KG Elephant.
You know Young, the Giant youknow it's true.
Yeah, brothers Osborne you know, dude, there's just so many
ones that we put saint motelsome random small band, but
they're so.
They mean so much to me, likeon such a level, because maybe I
went through tough stuff withit.
Or mike campbell how about this?
Sure, we had mike campbell fromtom petty and the heartbreakers
(14:56):
yeah and I'm gonna tell youthis little background story.
So mike campbell comes in, tompetty's obviously passed on, so
I show, and I usually show uparound 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock, to
meet the artist, meet the tourmanager.
Just say, hey, what's up, whatdo?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
you guys need.
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I walk in the back room and it's Mike Campbell
, you know dreadlocks, it's allTom Petty gear, it's all Tom
Petty and the Heartbreaker boxesand cases and I'm just like is
in cases and I'm just like, likeyou're just like in that moment
, and then mike comes on andthen you feel tom through mike
and I'm a huge petty guy, yeah,and then you feel tom that
(15:32):
misses mike and then you feelhim going on the stage singing,
you know, free falling orsomething like that, and that
whole experience just that'slike a magical experience, right
the way, the way you picked up,the way you described like like
you can hear petty comingthrough mike oh, I thought he
was so sick missing he missedhim, dude.
(15:53):
So when and when he showed up,he had a notebook with him and
like a little bottle orsomething like that.
And he's just, he startsworking on stuff as soon as he
shows up.
He's got his hat on and hissunglasses on and his wild
fedora and all this stuff.
So funnier story, and I tellthe story all the time.
But we um, he had to get homeat night, so show's over Band is
still cleaning up their stuff.
(16:13):
Yeah, he's just got a growingstrip and they're like you know,
he kind of wants to get back tothe hotel.
He's at the hotel.
This was at XL.
He's at the hotel out in you.
You need to pause it off.
No, off of Eisenhower.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
He's at the show, okay at the Sheraton.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So I'm like I'll take you back.
So he gets in my car, I sit himin the passenger seat.
It's like one o'clock in themorning, one o'clock in the
morning.
He has his sunglasses on andhis hat and I'm just driving in
the car.
There's not even a soul on theroad.
You're on the highway and Ijust look over and I'm like, oh
my god, it's, it's mike campbelland we're driving to the car
(16:48):
with his sunglasses on.
I'm just talking about floridastate university, how they just
made a tribute or how tom's inthe Hall of Fame or like, and he
just felt like I felt sad forhim because then he got out of
the car and got in the hotel.
But it was such a magicalmoment because he produces all
this love and he has says he'sone of the greatest musicians
ever you know, it's like beingwith David Gilmour it's like
just being with someone that'slike he's worked with Stevie
(17:10):
Nicks, he's worked with allthese artists and stuff like
that.
You know, he was just out withFleetwood Mac and there he is in
our little world, but he stillwants to stay out, to stay close
to Tom, because he's playingthe music on stage and that's
his connection.
The live music, that is thesynapse, you know, and then
through that I could tell youstories all night, guys.
Just so you know I love it allnight.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, so we'll have to have you back on the other
show yeah, at some point when we, when we get that back up and
running yeah, for sureabsolutely um, but oh my gosh,
that's just me.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And now I was gonna ask, and it might maybe be the
same answer what would you sayis your greatest achievement in
in the producer or, I'm sorry,not producing promoting world?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
um, I just think giving people happiness, I think
just pulling it off, becausesometimes shows no one really
realizes how hard the work iswith someone that books a show.
They have to do a show a yearbefore it happens, before the
tickets go on sale, orannouncing it, or marketing or
getting that person to taketheir hard earned money that
(18:09):
they work so hard with, to partwith that money to buy a ticket
to come see something thatyou're doing, to get something
to spend that night, to get ababysitter to come out to be at
one of your shows and theriverfront park shows in the
excel shows they were just allso grand and also magical and to
just have to have those offwith the team because you
(18:29):
realize the stage has to come in, the lights have to go up and
the sound has to go and there'ssuch a big team of people, um,
that you didn't have to ask alot of people to do stuff
because everyone took such pridein doing it and to lead those
types of teams.
Um, I took a lot of pride inlike we had, but just to get,
just affect people's lives whenyou see people leave shows and
they're happy yeah you knowthat's something that's well.
(18:53):
I'll always be very thankful ifI don't do another show.
Just be blessed that that I hadthat, those opportunities,
because to see people happy likethat and to know that, like I
said, that experience of thatone-on-one or that time stamp,
or to have people you know comedown, you know, to see orville
peck yeah, that's which is alegend in his own right.
Yeah, but just to have all these, those different artists
(19:16):
because normally Central PAdidn't get a sniff at those kind
of artists To do what we didand to do what I did.
I just take great pride in, andI'm really thankful and blessed
for the people that helped meout and lived that dream.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You should take great pride in that.
You've done amazing things,especially for the Central
Pennsylvania music scene.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I appreciate it, you.
I've got two final questionsfor you.
Okay, two quick fire two.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I don't know if they're gonna be quick fire
answers, but I'm gonna make themquick fire I talk a lot
obviously you I'm sorry, I'msorry, I'm right
there with you man, I'm rightthere with you.
Yeah, I got the gift of gab um.
Obviously you're passionateabout this and you're doing it
all for the right reasons andyou have the right experience
thank you, I appreciate that sowith that you're not going to
stop, I mean you just said likeyou know, even if I don't have
(19:59):
another show, you're gratefulfor that, but yeah you're not
going to, so where?
If frank has his way, where doyou see yourself in five years?
Follow?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
that's a great question.
I could tell you this, thoughI've always thought in life,
even with, with radio and withlive entertainment, you're never
in the same place.
Every five years, every fiveyears, you're somewhere
different.
I think I'll be somewherearound events and relationships
and partnerships, and just, I'mgood at putting things together.
I'm good at building things outof nothing.
(20:26):
I'm good at saying why not, whycan't we do this?
I mean Riverfront Park when welooked at that, it was a small.
It's the smallest little park,yeah, but we, we put an SL3.
It was me and John Harris andJohn I'll give him full credit
we walked it.
I was like no way, because wewere thinking City Island and we
were thinking something likethis for something bigger.
(20:47):
And we went down to look at itand John and I were there and
John's like, well, we can dothis, and I'm just like it's
tight for a massive, becausethat's, the stages were really
big.
Yeah, um, but we shoehorn thatin.
We said, why not?
Let's do something grand, let'sdo something different, and
that's um, to be able to do thatyou know, I've done that my
whole career and just to dostuff that say, why not?
(21:09):
Why not, let's try it.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know, I like, I like that.
Why not?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
why not let's?
Let's put something together,so yeah.
So where am I going to be fiveyears from now?
I don't know, but I couldn'ttell you I'd be right here five
years from five years ago.
I mean because I was doingsomething else.
And then that magical six, sevenyears came along and it's just,
it's going to continue, mylife's going to go on,
everything's great, but know younever.
(21:33):
You never know where you'regoing to be.
You just got to believe inyourself and you kind of just
have to say you know why not,you know, and just don't give up
.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know, I agree.
The second question that I hadthen.
We'd like to ask all of ourguys this obviously you're very
passionate about this, you'revery passionate about the music
scene and what you're doing isspecial for the music scene yeah
but I want to ask what do youthink is so special about
central pa and its music scene?
Because we've gotten a lot ofthe same answers, but we've also
gotten a lot of vastlydifferent answers.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't think it's, I don't think it's exploded yet.
I don't think I think it'sunderrated.
I think it being in the middlebetween you know, dc, baltimore,
pittsburgh, you're the samedistance from all the all the
majors.
Yeah, all the majors.
Yeah, the music industry hastraditionally considered us a
secondary market and have notwanted to come here.
What we've done is really madethis a destination market.
(22:22):
That's pretty much, you know, apretty solid market, and let's
not, let's not even look pastthe monster and blessing that is
in our backyard that we have areally small town here, right
hershey park arena and HersheyPark Stadium gives us more major
shows than usually some majorcities get.
The live entertainment, theLive Nation and that they're
(22:44):
doing down there we should notoverlook or take for granted.
We are very lucky to have thosetypes of shows being in here,
because most people have todrive hours, hours, just to get
to a major show, to a majorvenue, and some of these cities
are we had it right here in ourbackyard, and what we've done in
the past six years iscomplement that and do that, you
know, to bring that, to bringit to a point where we're not a
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secondary market but we'll getsniffs and looks and like, hey,
let's, harrisburg can support it, they can take care of the
artists, they can take it to,they can sell tickets.
They can do a lot of thingsthat they didn't think, that you
know.
Williamsport can't do or youknow other small towns can't do
so, you know, I think that Nowthe local scene's a different
story.
You know, that's a scene thatprobably does have to grow and
(23:28):
probably doesn't get the creditit does deserve.
I think Lancaster's doing agreat job with what they're
doing.
I think Lancaster is doing agreat job with what they're
doing.
I think it's a different vibethan what's in Harrisburg, Sure,
but I think there's a lot ofhidden gems out there.
But I think Harrisburg has someroom to grow with the local
scene and the smaller scene likethat.
But I think, you know, with the, with the shows that they have,
you know, at the club scene,with what XL is doing and some
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other clubs, I think it'sgrowing.
I think it's growing at areally good pace.
You're probably going to seesome bigger things come out of
some other venues that may havebeen quiet in the past.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
All right yeah.
Yeah, and that's awesome, so Ihope.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, thank you for.
Are you all on board?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Let's do it, let's do it, why not, can I?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
sell you a car, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Go 72 months, break it down dude, thank you so much
for coming on and letting uspick your brain yeah, anytime,
guys, I'd love to come backanytime.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Seriously, man, we really appreciate it.
That was awesome love it, yougot it.
Thanks again, guys absolutely,thank you thank you appreciate
it.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
We were sitting down with Spencer from Public Disco
Porch.
Sorry, I always keep wanting tosay panic because it's like I
don't know, like disco, but Iknow it's public disco porch.
So, dude, thank you so much forcoming down and sitting with us
.
Oh man, thanks for having me,of course stoked to have you
here man?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
yeah, dude, I don't get out dillsburg that often,
but uh, the drive, even in thedark, was beautiful.
There was no lights on anywhere.
It was like driving past likelittle farm houses on the side
of the road.
It was awesome.
I had a great time.
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, because you you have like almost like your own
farm.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah, you live on.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
right now we were talking about that off-camera
and everything it's.
It's awesome, man, she's like,oh cool, it's like I didn't even
leave home.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I'm taking a trip to grandma's cottage.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Dude, tell us how this, how this band came to be
like.
Tell us what makes public discoporch public disco porch.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
So I grew up in York, pennsylvania, and the narrative
of that town and area, maybeeven South Central Pennsylvania
at large, was kind of like Ican't wait to get out or I can't
wait to go do something elseother than the stuff that this
(25:38):
place has to offer, which neverreally resonated with me.
But I did end up leaving to goto the Midwest and spend some
time out there playing music, Um, but kind of always wanted to
make it back here because, uh, Itraveled a lot and saw like the
hills in Tuscany look a lotlike um parts of 83, like the
(26:00):
drive in that there was likekind of like meandering hills
and uh.
So even when I was in Chicago Iwas kind of writing songs about
like nostalgia and referencesto York, pennsylvania anyway, as
sort of like a, a totem orreference point for lyrical
content.
Um, and then so when me and mywife moved back, it kind of
(26:23):
really took hold with this band,uh, as like a, a way to talk
about the, the practices andrituals of south central
pennsylvania and like the peoplethat walked the land before us
and, um, because I do think it'slike really reverent and I
think it's like very beautiful.
I think there's a lot of really, uh, positive spirit that, like
(26:46):
this land holds.
So, yeah, that that's like whatthe ethos of the band started to
be and that's like what Istarted writing songs about and
became really easy to writesongs about that, as opposed to
like my own take on the world orsomething yeah, um but so, yeah
, and then like the past twoyears it really formed as a, as
a four-piece, whereas before,when I was living away from town
(27:09):
writing songs about it, I wascollaborating with musicians and
friends from like all over theworld, like I'd have friends
from france sing on a song andsample that and I would build
like what albums out of likethese little snippets of audio
samples.
Um, but now it is a four-piecerock and roll band.
Uh, that is kind of not justleaning into the spirit of stuff
(27:30):
that you know we're givingallegiance to.
Um, it now has kind of taken onits own aesthetic texture and
its own sort of like beast it'sgot its own unique sound?
I think so.
I mean I say that as like oneof the harshest critics of the
band.
Uh, I, I maybe, like maybe fivemonths ago, I saw a video of us
(27:54):
playing a song and there was aswirl happening on stage that I
just had never really seen ornever really felt like I was
contributing to in any otherband that I was a part of, and
it was like okay, yeah, that's aband.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
That's awesome, man.
I mean obviously you're doingsomething right.
I mean, because you are CPMAwinners, man, You're the best
folk band?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, we are your best folk band.
Yeah, that's, yeah, we are best.
We have best folk band.
Uh, maybe folk metal sometimes,but dude I'm, I'm all about
this.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh, I call it me and my girlfriend kind of dubbed it
like country core, like you havelike like groups like hardy
that are like play country andthen all of a sudden, just out
of nowhere, like does screaming,and I was like dude, I didn't
know this is like what we needed, but like I'm here for it, like
so, like dude, if you guys wantto start going that route and
everything, dude, I'm all for it, man there's, there's some of
(28:43):
that on the new record.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
For sure, it's um moments of reverence and you
know, sometimes there's just asingle creaking violin.
But then other times we clickon a metal zone and throw some
dirt at you.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
For sure, hell, hell yeah, dude, I mean that you're
referring to a benediction right.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
It just came out in August yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I thought it's off to .
I think I didn't get all theway through it yet, so I'm going
to.
I'm gonna have to keeplistening to it then, Um, but I
mean, yeah, congratulations.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I mean, yeah, I've been making music uh in
different iterations and uh, Iguess it's like technically
maybe the fourth album or ep orsomething the lines get blurred.
Now what they really are so umthe fourth recording project of
public disco porch, but it feelslike the most succinct, direct,
(29:34):
pointed thing that I've everdone or been a part of.
Like I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's awesome man, as you should.
Where did you draw the soundfrom?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
That's a good question.
I mean like obviously everybodyhas influence, and maybe even
like what I was kind of talkingabout were five months ago or
whenever I was like fit,wrapping up the work on this
music Um, I noticed thatinfluence kind of had started to
fade away a little bit, whichwas exciting to see, that's cool
(30:09):
.
To like that.
You, um, but that comes fromexcavation and trying a bunch of
stuff, right?
and like having people influenceyou and listening to music that
you love, that imprints on you,and then you like try to do
that and, um, that's not a badthing and maybe that was like
historically, what, what was theexperimentation or the
(30:31):
excavation is like?
what does my voice sound like?
How do I mix my voice?
How do I um balance a guitarthat I want to be very heavy
that also interrupts like whereI'm singing?
Uh, that kind of level ofdetail just kind of started
happening with that albumbenediction, and it really kind
of sounds.
It's.
It's where we recorded it inthis like out building at my
(30:52):
place.
Um, it has really started totake shape of like what the band
sounds like, because the woodstove is in there and it rattles
when the drum hits.
So I like that, uh, where youcan find a sense of space and
atmosphere that is specific tosomething rawness yeah yeah, I
mean, it's like we do all of thethe professional tricks that
(31:16):
you do to make something soundgood, but like, yeah, it's its
own animal right now.
Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That is so sweet.
I love that kind of stuff.
I mean I like when you canalmost find like what's the word
I'm looking for Character fromthe sound.
Obviously it has its own sound.
But when the sound kind ofbuilds its own like persona,
like it's, like it has its ownflavor and everything, and like
I love when you can find thatbecause there's like our last
(31:47):
guest we had on frank, he wassaying, like you know, there's
so many bands out there, so manyof them can be within the same
realm of sound, but then you'llfind that one that just like
it's like ooh, yeah.
I like the flavor of that soundand it's like it just sticks out
to you.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Definitely Well, and to kind of tie into that and
what you were saying as wellearlier off air, I feel like we
should probably bring this backup.
You were talking about some ofthe things you do to mix your
music.
That's a little bit unique.
Can we talk about that a littlebit?
Can we kind of go back overthat for?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
the listeners.
I know that that's.
I think that is a big part ofwhat is happening.
The band has had some reallycool opportunities that I didn't
think this kind of music wouldmaybe be allocated.
But I think a lot of that hasto do with aesthetic texture and
(32:37):
attention to um atmospherewithin its own, within its own
package and, uh, we I do myselfand the other guys in the band
do think about that and likerelish and have fun in that
aspect of it.
So, yeah, the the recordingprocess.
We don't really put out thatmuch or something or like I
(32:58):
don't know if it's interesting,but I know there's gear heads
out there that like that kind ofstuff.
So yeah, uh, yeah, there'sthere's a company in york um,
pennsylvania, called atrmagnetics and it is the premier
uh tape manufacturer for theworld.
Um, and they have betty is thesweet woman who owns and runs it
(33:19):
and she's just in her officeall the time in this warehouse
shout out betty, shout out,betty, for sure dude and uh.
So I go down there and got awhole bunch of um reels, two
inch quarter inch.
I have a bunch of tape machinesin my uh little loft area that
we record and it's really fun toexperiment with, you know,
(33:39):
drawing a bunch of sharpie ontoa real tape and seeing what it
does to a drum bus and then runthat back into uh whatever you
know session.
You're, you're mixing um, but alot of those mixing moves on
this album specifically are done, um on an anal 30 like an
analog 32 channel console wherewe're like making mixing moves
and basically using a computeras a way to store uh more.
(34:03):
So you have more things thatcan kind of be stored in a
warehouse, but then the movesare printed from there to a
console, to tape, and themasters that you hear on Spotify
are quarter-inch ATR tape.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That's wild man.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I don't know a single other person doing that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I'm sure there's people out there.
It's like a lost art man yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I mean it is tedious.
You cut tape and you you startfinding, like you know, uh
you're actually doing splicingfor like the, the actual mixes.
Um, I love that stuff, liketinkering and and it feels more
musical to like turn a knob thanit does like move your mouse or
something, uh, so the more Ican have all of my hands on my
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music at any time, uh is moreexciting because it's about that
connection man yeah, changinglike an eq sweep when you're
doing that on a console asopposed to some sort of
visualizer.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Is is more tactile and there's texture to it, it's
genuine, it's like driving anold ferrari you feel everything
yeah, more like a shitty ford orsomething the one that I have.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
The farm vehicle yeah , has the farm license plate on
it.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Lots of rust, yeah maybe some of the some of the
channel strips don't always work, you gotta the truck that would
inspire a country artist yeah,yeah, sure, exactly right like
waylon, like like waylon's,exactly right Like Waylon.
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
That's awesome, man.
How did you know that youwanted to do that?
Because I feel, like I said, Ifeel like it's almost like a
lost art and you already knowwhat you're doing on the
computer.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
So how did you know that's the route you kind of
wanted to explore, to evenexplore and then settle on you
like, yeah, absolutely, this iswhat I'm looking for I think
it's, it's part of what I wassaying excavation, like I think
about, from the writing process,uh, to like dig something up
and bring it up to the air andwatch it burn off.
The only way you can do thatwith like the, the process of
mixing um, is that same way oflike, uh, experimenting and
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digging and like with a computeror software.
There's like really goodemulation.
But then I mean I just had the,the realization or revelation
or something, where I waslooking at a Kramer tape plug
plugin that was basically tryingto emulate a tape sound.
And I had just walked by at theantique store there was a Sony
(36:32):
tape machine so I was like I'mjust going to go try it to see
if it's the same and it was morefun.
It's just like it takes longerand it's more tedious and you
get frustrated.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
But so we understand why the emulator exists.
Yeah, yeah, for sure man, forsure you, you want to get your
hands dirty with it.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah, and and, um, I don't know, I think that I have
my.
I have two little girls and, uh, one of the more like immediate
and impactful moments of mylife truly was when I showed her
a typewriter.
My oldest she's five years oldnow, but this is maybe when she
was two I, I like I was typingon a typewriter because I have a
(37:12):
thing that's called the localsong book and I find all like
the local bands that I like andthen I type there I have a
playlist that's basically on anold typewriter and so I was
showing her this and that's socool.
If you hit a typewriter and itgoes and then it like slaps the
ink ribbon, she immediately wentwhoa and tried to look around
(37:32):
to the other side.
Whereas, like a tablet or acomputer is zeros and ones and
it's designed for the humanbrain to just kind of like
intuitively figure it out andyou don't kind of really think
when you're, uh, using an ipador your phone or something yeah,
just like we were talking about.
It's like good to have stufflike a bonsai tree to get your
(37:54):
hands off of, like technology.
I mean technology is incredible, but, um, sometimes like a
return to physical things isimportant and grounding and for
me, like like a guitar beingplugged into an amplifier is
very different than just likeplugging it into an audio
interface.
So I wanted that feeling oflike the typewriter and diming
(38:17):
an amplifier for a guitar.
To translate to basically likeevery piece of our music.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Dude that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
That is really cool man.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You are certainly extremely passionate about this
man.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It's deep too, like it's.
Like, I mean there'scaptivating yeah, like I mean,
obviously we've plenty ofmusicians in the scene and
everything, and like no one isbetter or worse than each other
right but, it's like you.
You almost took like being amusician and you went like back
to like the roots of like whatdoes it like?
(38:48):
What did the ogs do?
What does it actually mean tobe a musician?
Like, like you said, you couldshred on the guitar.
That's awesome, you know that.
And you plug into an interfaceand I can do all these crazy
things on it and it's like, yeah, cool, you are also a musician
and there is there is a crowdfor that, there, there's a party
for that.
But you're like but how do I bea musician?
like with my hands, like all theway through, start to finish
(39:10):
maybe, yeah, maybe that was it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I think I had a moment where, um, a few years
ago, I was thinking abouthanging it all up.
I just like was kind of over it.
I was sick of like hearingmyself try, uh, like recording
yourself in isolation is, is youyou start to fall into like an
echo chamber just trying toohard, or something.
(39:32):
And um, yeah, a lot of friendskind of said that that would be
not a good idea, but that thatspirit of like trying to be like
what, what is, what am I doing?
Like, what is what is the pointof doing music song?
Um, kind of like releasing theself, being like the focus of
(39:53):
being me, or having a ring lightthat like pushes in on you so
that you can garner some TikTokviews, or something wasn't of
interest.
It was that kind of stuff Likewhat is the, what is the
tangible thing that I can leavebehind, that like my daughter
might find in the attic someday,like if I'm when I'm gone, she
can then see the tape machine,see this record that is a
(40:14):
document, and then can put it onand be like, oh yeah, that's
someone that was really trying.
And then, obviously, figuringout the source material of like
singing songs about theSusquehanna or the ritualistic
healings of the south centralpennsylvania dutch, like that
kind of stuff, was like reallycharging for me lyrically to
find purpose and like figuringout what am I going to play
(40:35):
through a distorted amplifier.
Um, and it made it more fun.
So, yeah, I think it's likefiguring out what is a musician
is obviously different foreverybody and it's equally valid
for everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
But for me the thing was this sort of return to
physical things.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You want to leave your physical footprint.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I think so.
Yeah, that's it.
I think so, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm not even just saying this
for, like, the sake of the showor the sake of the views, but
like, literally, you, you kindof mind blew me because it's
like, like, like I considermyself a musician, danny does as
well, chris does, andeverything.
Like, we've all, we've all donethings.
But it's like everyone likethat you can be like, oh, I want
to be a musician and you candedicate yourself to a craft on
an instrument or whatever.
(41:19):
Everyone's going to have theirinfluence and it's like, okay,
cool, like that influences me.
I've learned how to have thatinfluence me.
Now, how do I make it?
How do I make my own sound fromthat?
But it's like and that'stypically where it stops you're
like cool, how do I make my?
How do I make my own sound?
But like, literally, how do Imake my own sound?
(41:43):
Yeah, and you just took it onestep deeper and it's just like I
never thought about doingsomething like, oh, maybe if I
didn't use an SM58 or whatever,maybe if I used something else
or whatever, if I tried runningit through, this type of maybe
that could have jogged my memoryas a vocalist, how would I get
(42:05):
more tangible with my sound?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Like and that's crazy man Like I.
Just that, never even likecrossed my mind, honestly.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Well, even with, like you know, different instruments
, there's a million differenttools you can use, even for,
like, percussion.
You have the uh and slides andstuff like that.
But whenever it comes to thewhole music, it's like oh yeah,
you can compress it, you can,you can mix this and throw on
this effect, but what you did isjust went a whole nother step
further, took a step back intime, which is awesome?
Speaker 5 (42:34):
yeah, I think it's.
It's actually maybe like a step.
Um, excuse me, it's interestingthat it's like, uh, being
perceived right now as a stepforward or something, because it
truly was like a a limitation.
I also like working withinguardrails, um, that sometimes
can be like a little bit moreinspiring if you're, if you're
limited to just like saying I'monly going to use a violin and a
(42:58):
guitar to write a song, um,whereas like a tape machine, you
only have so many knobs, you'relimited to making decisions,
and that helps me finish things.
And I also kind of had anothersort of revelation through
working with that workflow wasthat everybody plays guitar.
(43:19):
That's not an extraordinarything you just mentioned.
All of us here are musicians,and that's a beautiful thing,
and we can like rally aroundbands that we like and that's
absolutely so healthy forsociety.
Indefinitely right for sure.
Um, however, like I think, I'vebeen trying to lean into being
(43:40):
extra space, ordinary, likesimple ingredients, like it's.
It's funny sometimes whenpeople come up or listen to the
record and ask like what did youuse to to mix and master?
it's like a console and a tapemachine yeah it's like not like
a special thing, it's like anextra extraordinarily ordinary
thing and, uh, I think thatthat's been fun to try and like
(44:04):
play with that space, especiallythat headspace with mixing and
recording, to be extra spaceordinary I think it's even
cooler to just like kind of Idon't know if you ever put it
into like perspective, but it'slike you said three years ago.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
You were thinking about maybe hanging up music,
whatever, and you decidedessentially, for all intents and
purposes, you're like I'm goingto take two steps backwards, to
take one step forward.
And taking that two stepsbackwards, like you didn't quit,
and now you're an award-winning, like recognized act and it's
like isn't it crazy how likethings like that work.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Sometimes it does take.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Going back to the roots, maybe it does take.
You know, let's take two stepsbackwards because maybe maybe
the path forward is easier twosteps ago.
You know what I mean.
So it's like it's crazy, man,like honestly, this was a very
cool, deep thought, enlighteninglike conversation.
Man, like I have like otherquestions, I got about like
music and everything, but likedude, your process was just like
(44:59):
enthralling.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah Wow, oh my goodness enough.
Yeah wow, oh my goodness.
Well, we are kind of runningout of time here, but uh, I I'm
never not, you know, kicking offor anything.
Is there any uh other show likeanything else coming up you
want to promote?
I know you just came out withyour new album back in august.
Uh, any new music coming out orshows or uh benefits, things
you got going on that you mightwant to shout out for any
listeners to check out in thefuture?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
oh yeah, we got we always got stuff cooking for
sure.
Um, I mean our shows are kindof wrapping up.
On this Friday we're playingtomorrow at Love Drafts and
that's the Awesome One of thebands that I put on the local
songbook.
Their name is Babel Map andthey just released a record
called Teeth and we're openingtheir album release tomorrow at
(45:42):
Love Drafts Awesome, so.
But I mean that'll probablyhave happened.
But yeah, I mean I think we'regoing to take a little bit of
time in the winter to recordsome more stuff that is there,
and then the spring and summer Ithink it just shows until we
drop.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Heck, yeah, man, I love that.
The only other question I wantto ask, because we ask every
guest, especially as a musicianyeah, from Central PA, obviously
you left.
You grew up in Central PA, leftCentral PA and were drawn back
to it, and you are anaward-winning musician.
What do you think is so specialabout Central PA?
What do you think makes CentralPA so special when it comes to
the music scene?
(46:22):
Why do you think we have such arich music culture here?
Not to put you on the spot, oranything.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Cue the Jeopardy music now, I'm joking.
I think that there is a senseof deep camaraderie in
recognizing even more so latelythan maybe even in the past.
I think this like sort of likewe're going through like an ego
death with local music where uhpeople don't really care uh
(46:57):
their own path to whatever theydeem success or something and I
think success when it comes tomusic is a frivolous term but
like there's so much value inthe different corners that South
Central Pennsylvania has tooffer.
Like Ron and Ian are going tobe at First Capital dispensing
company playing Monday nightsnack club for three hours as
(47:17):
happy as they possibly can.
Like our band is going to beputting together like a bash and
just thrashing our guitars, andthat's very different.
But like all of these differentuh musical entities have like
their own validity and likewe're starting to champion one
(47:38):
another uh, with stuff like youall are doing, the central
pennsylvania music sort of groupas a whole, I think, is just
like an unbelievable championfor live music.
So, uh, the local scene is richwith like a camaraderie that is
in our blood and, uh, we don'tcare who who gets the light for
(48:02):
a particular time, and when itcomes on to that person, I think
that they're they're trying tolike shine it on other people
too, which I think is uh whatmakes it special and exciting to
be a part of dude.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
The only other thing I have to say about this whole
thing before we wrap this up islike I I honestly think I think
your your time here.
Honestly, I think a lot ofartists can benefit from it
because you, the way you, you,you are a wordsmith dude like a
hundred percent, Like the wayyou, the way you have a way with
words is like crazy the way yousaid that was awesome and I
think, the way you describedyour writing process.
(48:35):
I think there are a lot ofpeople that are probably going
to listen to your episode andit's probably going to get their
gears turning.
I think you, without meaning to, may have have contributed a
major piece of advice to a lotof artists without even meaning
to, and I think that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, amazing, it's super enlightening.
Man, this is Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, man, but you do have a song for us, correct?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'll play some version of the song for
sure, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Awesome Sweet man.
We're looking forward to it.
Absolutely Without any furtherado.
Let's get to the liveperformance.
Thank you so much for coming onthe show man.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Oh, thanks for having me, guys.
This was really fun.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Thank you, man.
Guitar solo.
Hey Matthew, how many?
Did you count up?
All the holes in their hands?
Did they Lazarus themselvesback down?
Did they raise up, like yousaid?
(50:38):
Hey Matthew, where are they?
Why don't our tongues knowtheir names?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Did your pen miss where they ended up.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I'm a solemn blade of grass now.
Hey, matthew, what happened?
Why don't our tongues speaktheir names?
There's a nail buried in myhead.
Now you put a nail in my brain.
Can you drive it home?
(51:45):
Can you drive it home?
Can you drive it home?
Guitar solo.
Thank you, we'll see you nexttime.
Welcome to the Central Pennsylvania Music
Podcast Tonight Frank Schofieldand Public Disco Porch.
This episode is sponsored byMembers, First and now your
hosts, Daniel Kime and AlanMcCutcheon.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hello and welcome to the Central Pennsylvania Music
Podcast.
I'm your host, daniel, and I'myour co-host, alan, coming up.
We have Frank Schofield andPublic Disco Porch.
Stay tuned for another awesomeepisode.
We are sitting here with FrankSchofield, longtime Central
Pennsylvania Music promoter.
Frank, thank you so much forcoming out on the show tonight.
We really appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks for having me guys.
Absolutely, I appreciate it.
Episode.
We are sitting here with frankscofield, longtime central
pennsylvania music promoter.
Frank, thank you so much forcoming out on the show tonight.
We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I appreciate it, of course, man.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
We're really excited to have interesting little set
you have here oh, thank you,thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We, uh, we built it ourself.
We're very proud.
We actually did really.
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I don't want to say we should have like our own hgtv
show, but we did pretty goodfor being amateurs.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
There was a conversation that I said it.
If things don't work out with apodcast, we could probably
start a remodeling company.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
If you look past the seam together carpets that you
can't see on the camera.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
a little inside information there, but thank you
very much for the compliment.
I appreciate it Absolutely.
We try to put little piecestogether as our journey goes on.
I think it's coming togetherpretty nicely.
Yeah, certainly Appreciate it.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So, frank, you've been, as I said you know,
longtime music promoter.
Let's talk about that.
But first, as we do with mostof our episodes, I'd like to
start at the beginning with you.
Sure, how did you get into this?
Where did all this start foryou?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I was in radio for a real long time radio with the
Bruce Bond late afternoon show,and I kind of got my chops there
just being in entertainment,producing shows, you know.
Back then and it kind of justevolved and I did that for six,
seven years.
We were doing shows in multiplecities like Vegas, chicago, all
over the place, new York Citydoing this and that.
And then this is while you werein high school.
(02:00):
Yeah, no, it was after highschool it was in my early 20s.
That's awesome, though the 20sare the weirdest part of it.
Do you ever look back, yeah,and look at the 20s and be like
what was that?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
all about Right, what was I?
Speaker 3 (02:11):
thinking.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What happened?
What was?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
even that.
Because you don't make muchmoney right.
And you kind of just getthrough it and you on that, and
I made all this work yeah, youknow, it's honestly sometimes a
surprise.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's like you're.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's like your second time being a teenager and you
don't really do much betterright, exactly right, and being,
and then growing up, then youknow radio.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
There wasn't really internet back then, so it's just
radio was just like you werekings, like if you said it was
going to snow on a sunny day,like people are, like they were
getting out their snow shovels,like really having that, because
there was no internet, therewas no anything like that.
So radio was like a whole othermonster than it is you know
right now.
So I was really lucky to likebe part of that, be part of that
world.
We're top.
I was an 80s dj, I was a top 40.
(02:55):
You know I just get be a shockjock producer and then be an 80s
dj and all that stuff.
So I really had a prettyblessed background and it really
said the 80s are like.
I feel like in my opinion, Iobviously did not live through
the 80s were nuts man, that'swhat I'm saying it's like being
a radio dj in the 80s that hadto have been like such an
(03:15):
incredible experience abc, duranduran, kaja, gugu, like all the
, all the cool stuff, golly, andthen, and then you got into the
90s and then you know beingmusic backeties and then you
know being music back.
Then it was just, it was justsuch a blessing just to get
through.
It was just so, so much fun.
That's awesome.
So, producing all these shows,it was natural for me just to
kind of put that all together,to be a promoter, to figure out
(03:38):
you know how to put a showtogether and how to do this and
that, and so that was kind of mybeginnings.
I was in sales for a little bitbut then, you know, it really
led me to be a promoter thenafter that that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
What I gotta ask was it did you ever find it
difficult to like?
You had the skill set frombeing a radio dj, but did you
ever find it kind of difficultto like put the microphone down,
like to be like, oh, like, I'mnot going to be on the airwaves
anymore.
I'm going to take the skill setthat I learned through this but
, I'm not going to be like inthe spotlight, so to say, was
that ever hard?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
no, because I feel like I always it's part of my
character, like I got a couplepersonalities and that's just
one of them yeah and that's justpart of the sales process, you
know, like being a producer orbeing on air, you just kind of
just like it's all the sameprocess, you know sure you want
to, you want to have a goodfront, you want people like you
and you want to just put out andjust do what's best for the
conversation and those kind ofjust kind of move through each
(04:28):
other Like the process doesn'tchange much, whatever you do in
life.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know, good people do good things for good people.
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
And if it's not?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
if you're not a good person, then you're a bad person
and just kind of have faith inwhat you're doing.
You know good things willhappen to you, and that's kind
of kind of the way I kind offorged through.
So all these skill sets that Ikind of developed, they just
kind of played into one another.
You know, and then you meetthis one person.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
that person helps you out, and then you know, next
thing, you know, and it's justkind of the steps in the ladder
just kind of kind of soundsexactly like how this formed.
Wow, yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yeah, and not all days are great but there's days
that that are great but butthings are hard and you just
kind of keep, just, you know,getting through it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah absolutely, but promoting shows is so much fun.
Yeah, it really is great.
So what are some like thebiggest differences you've seen
over the years that you've beendoing this?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, when I started it was right before COVID, it
was probably three years beforethe shutdown and the shutdown
things just kind of like shutdown real quick.
And then when they came backthere was a little bit of a
different attitude and there wasa little bit of a different.
The artist needed you.
After the shutdown happened,you, different, the artist, the
art, you, the artist needed you.
(05:45):
After the shutdown happened,you know you needed the artist,
you needed the artist to come.
So that's when the demandstarted and that's when, you
know, the prices got a littledifferent and artists were
charging more and more and itkind of got a little harder for
promoter to try to get his nut,to try to push through that.
Um, and now you, now theartists, they're charging so
(06:07):
much.
I mean, there's so much,there's not much.
The guy in the middle, thepromoter, is really the guy
that's having the hardest time.
I believe, that In this modernday, I mean it's really angled
against the promoter.
The venue will do well, but themiddle guy is always the guy
that's really kind of sufferingthese days.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
We always hear, especially on the internet.
You can't believe everythingyou read on the internet.
Surprise, surprise.
But we see a lot with LiveNation.
Take it, master, all theseextra search.
I saw this joke.
It's like oh, $35 forprocessing fees, $10 for because
you can't do anything about it,fee a $15 fee because, well,
(06:47):
we're already charging you fees,so we're going to keep charging
you fees.
It just kind of gets out ofcontrol From you working in your
position how much have youreally seen and how that?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
is that truly really what it is?
It's hard and you know thetoughest thing is the big shows
do really well.
You know, taylor got hurt, likeeveryone.
The big shows do really well.
It's the bottom tier ones thatare really hurting.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I shouldn't say hurting, but it's just a harder
grind yeah, you know it's aharder ceiling to break at the
club level and you know, just totry to get that through.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
But you, you got to realize live entertainment is so
big.
It could be a church, it couldbe a field affair.
There's so many avenues thatthere's so many opportunities
for people in the industry toget involved in live
entertainment yeah there's somany jobs that people don't even
think about.
That are live entertainment.
This, right here, what you'redoing now, this is live
entertainment.
This is entertainment andthere's so many areas, you know,
(07:36):
for kids to get involved andfor people to have jobs and
there's just so much more roomand the podcast how about it
like they exploded?
how about it?
Yeah, don't stop like it's.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's such a good time to be in it, but it's also it's
such a flooded industry rightnow.
But it that you guys are theluckiest in the world yeah, you,
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
You guys create, just created this.
You created your own radiostation, your own network.
You're up on youtube, bam bambam.
Back then, being on the radiowas something different, or
having your own show wassomething different, where you
had to really fight and applyand, like you know, apply your
craft and really have to knowsomeone to get through.
Now it's like you go to staples,you get a mic, you do this, you
that, you pop it up and boom.
Now you got you have to havethe work ethic you got to put
(08:13):
through the shows which you guysare doing.
Yeah, Um, but you can really doit.
And now it's just so open foreverybody, you know, for
communication and it's the samefor the artist.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
it's so hard for an artist to break through these
days oh yeah same I still don'tknow the formula.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I've done 150 shows or whatever.
I can't tell you.
I know the formula for how toget known or how to pop through
that cycle it's really difficult.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
That's funny, you said, because I was going to ask
is, like you know, you said itwas kind of hard for the
middleman to kind of, like youknow, get his portion whatever.
So how did you tackle that like?
How did you like, when youstarted seeing that happening,
like man, like these prices aregetting ridiculous, like you
know, because you obviously I,I've seen interviews with you
and everything- yeah yougenuinely care for the artist.
Like you're like dude.
Like 11 am, the artist shows up.
(08:58):
You know they need things likewhatever it's like you're.
You're not just like they'rekind of just like lollygagging
around.
Like you're there, like if theyneed, like a doctor, if they
need, you know, to get theirclothes done, they need a yoga
instructor or something likethat.
Like you're the guy.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
So we've had.
We've had situations where,like a tour manager will cause
before going, hey, we need adoctor tomorrow morning.
We're in chicago, we'll bethere tomorrow morning.
And you know, terry has asomething's wrong with terry's
foot and we need a podiatrist tolook at this, or someone's sick
with the flu or something likethese tours they're on the road,
they don't know where they are.
Yeah, they're out for twomonths straight city to city to
(09:34):
city.
You know they're playing on amonday night somewhere.
Tuesday night they're inchicago, you know, the next
night they're in harrisburg, youknow, and they, they have
barely have time to figure outhow to eat or how to do their
laundry or how to figure out.
So it's really a discipline forthem to learn how to live.
These are all kids trying tofigure it out.
It's a it's a tough, toughgrind, but they also have to
(09:55):
take care of their health.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
They got to take care of.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You know, you know what it's like when you don't
feel well and then.
But you got to go out, you gotlike.
You got like 60 days to proveyourself, to get that shot, to
get to that next level, and youcannot fall apart, you can't do
whatever it's true, you got togo out and give you know 80
minutes of the best night ofyour life and you have to make
everyone feel like it's theirshow and you have to win over
(10:19):
every person that they're goingto want to see you the next time
they're going to want to buyyour album.
They're going to want to seeyou the next time they're going
to want to buy your album.
They're going to buy t-shirtsin the back.
They're going to want to loveyou and it's their private
secret, like you are theirprivate secret, and you know
that's the best part of liveentertainment.
You know I've always said thatlive entertainment is always the
best way to timestamp people'smemories.
There's no other medium thatdoes it.
If you need a book or if yousee a movie or if you know watch
(10:42):
tv or something like that,that's in comparison.
When you go to a concert,whether it's at hershey or xl or
anywhere else, or whitaker orwhatever you know at that moment
, you know how much money youhad, what kind of girlfriend you
had, what relationship you were, what kind of car you're
driving.
It's the only medium orexperience that really time
stamps your memory in life orwho you were at that particular
(11:03):
time.
There's no other medium orexperience that does that, but
live entertainment does it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, you're not wrong, yeah that's the beautiful
part.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
My mind right there, oh my God, absolutely, because I
just thought back to like Right, think about your favorite show
when I went to see Panic at theDisco.
I was driving a Honda Element.
I knew who I was dating.
Oh my God, you blew my mindyeah.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah, I'm telling you , music is magic, music is
healing.
Like you said, music can freeze, frame memories.
Music transcends language.
Music is such, it's a blessing.
It's crazy, and I'll tell youwhat else it is.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
It's yours and it's your secret, and it's who you
are and you know.
Whatever you like is differentthan what he likes or this guy
likes or whatever, but it's yoursecret and you know about it.
And when you're going to go seea show, you know that's, that's
your experience, you know.
I mean, I like this guy.
I got turned on to this guynamed Neil Bacar or something
like that, and he's in Texas orsomething like that, and he's
(12:00):
this kind of twang or whatever,but it's my secret, I know about
it and I know you guys don'tknow that.
And then if you share it withsomeone else, that's how you
relate to other people.
That's why music and liveentertainment is so special for
so many people.
You know, and it's just youknow I'm defined by music.
My passion kind of bleedsthrough in it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But you know, whatever you're I don't know if
anyone's picking up on thatright now.
The way you're talking, youobviously are very unpassionate
about this.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I'm sorry, but it's really who you are and it really
breaks down to the fabric.
But there's so many artists outthere.
There are so many artists outthere that even when you look at
Apple Music, I don't even knowsometimes how Apple Music or
Spotify work.
Sometimes these playlists cometo me.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I'm like where did this come from?
Why is this coming up all thetime?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
but it's always something that relates to you
and it's always something thatworks for you, and then it's
kind of yours and then you knowthe next time out, and then you
hear it on xpn radio and thenyou're like listening on the
regular radio and then it's inyour car you know, now, all of a
sudden facebook, you're cooking.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Now there's an advertisement for a show for
them that's coming near you.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
You're like wait a minute you know now the struts
are coming to town or you knowPaul Cawthon is going to be here
.
You know stuff like that andit's yours.
That combination of thosedifferent artists are yours and
we take so much pride.
We take so much pride in thedifferent kind of music that we
like.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
It's our own music collection in our head and it
defines who we are, and I thinkthat's the beautiful thing of
life and how it just intertwinesI don't think there's like
anything cooler than like whenyou have that one unique artist
that not a lot of people knowabout yeah you like and you meet
someone else and they know themlike that, just that joy you
can.
You're like, wait, you likethem too.
You're like this little kid,yeah, that's happened to me a
ton of times.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'm like wait, you know this person uh-huh, and
they're like yeah I love it.
I'm like, oh, that's great youknow I'm not alone.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
We just become best friends.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Exactly.
You get all excited, you know,and that's why, when people come
together to see shows, they getexcited too, because they just
love that passion, they justlove that experience of being
together.
And then, you know, everyonejust goes their own way and goes
home.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Well, I think that's what kind of drives the music
community as a whole is, becauseeverybody has that love for
everyone.
It is.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They want everyone to have that feeling and feel that
way and have their ownexperiences.
Yeah, live entertainment justreally just pushes those
boundaries and really justbrings things together.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
And speaking of passion and speaking of all this
stuff and all these experiences, I mean you've put on some
pretty legendary shows.
I was going to ask tell usabout some of your favorite
shows that you had to put on.
If you could boil it down to atop three yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I mean there's big ones and small ones.
I mean you can have.
I could say Paul Cawthon, Icould say the National Death Cab
for Cutie.
We had them a ton of times.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That was one of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
We had KG Elephant.
You know Young, the Giant youknow it's true.
Yeah, brothers Osborne you know, dude, there's just so many
ones that we put saint motelsome random small band, but
they're so.
They mean so much to me, likeon such a level, because maybe I
went through tough stuff withit.
Or mike campbell how about this?
Sure, we had mike campbell fromtom petty and the heartbreakers
(14:56):
yeah and I'm gonna tell youthis little background story.
So mike campbell comes in, tompetty's obviously passed on, so
I show, and I usually show uparound 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock, to
meet the artist, meet the tourmanager.
Just say, hey, what's up, whatdo?
Speaker 1 (15:09):
you guys need.
How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And I walk in the back room and it's Mike Campbell
, you know dreadlocks, it's allTom Petty gear, it's all Tom
Petty and the Heartbreaker boxesand cases and I'm just like is
in cases and I'm just like, likeyou're just like in that moment
, and then mike comes on andthen you feel tom through mike
and I'm a huge petty guy, yeah,and then you feel tom that
(15:32):
misses mike and then you feelhim going on the stage singing,
you know, free falling orsomething like that, and that
whole experience just that'slike a magical experience, right
the way, the way you picked up,the way you described like like
you can hear petty comingthrough mike oh, I thought he
was so sick missing he missedhim, dude.
(15:53):
So when and when he showed up,he had a notebook with him and
like a little bottle orsomething like that.
And he's just, he startsworking on stuff as soon as he
shows up.
He's got his hat on and hissunglasses on and his wild
fedora and all this stuff.
So funnier story, and I tellthe story all the time.
But we um, he had to get homeat night, so show's over Band is
still cleaning up their stuff.
(16:13):
Yeah, he's just got a growingstrip and they're like you know,
he kind of wants to get back tothe hotel.
He's at the hotel.
This was at XL.
He's at the hotel out in you.
You need to pause it off.
No, off of Eisenhower.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
He's at the show, okay at the Sheraton.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So I'm like I'll take you back.
So he gets in my car, I sit himin the passenger seat.
It's like one o'clock in themorning, one o'clock in the
morning.
He has his sunglasses on andhis hat and I'm just driving in
the car.
There's not even a soul on theroad.
You're on the highway and Ijust look over and I'm like, oh
my god, it's, it's mike campbelland we're driving to the car
(16:48):
with his sunglasses on.
I'm just talking about floridastate university, how they just
made a tribute or how tom's inthe Hall of Fame or like, and he
just felt like I felt sad forhim because then he got out of
the car and got in the hotel.
But it was such a magicalmoment because he produces all
this love and he has says he'sone of the greatest musicians
ever you know, it's like beingwith David Gilmour it's like
just being with someone that'slike he's worked with Stevie
(17:10):
Nicks, he's worked with allthese artists and stuff like
that.
You know, he was just out withFleetwood Mac and there he is in
our little world, but he stillwants to stay out, to stay close
to Tom, because he's playingthe music on stage and that's
his connection.
The live music, that is thesynapse, you know, and then
through that I could tell youstories all night, guys.
Just so you know I love it allnight.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, so we'll have to have you back on the other
show yeah, at some point when we, when we get that back up and
running yeah, for sureabsolutely um, but oh my gosh,
that's just me.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
And now I was gonna ask, and it might maybe be the
same answer what would you sayis your greatest achievement in
in the producer or, I'm sorry,not producing promoting world?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
um, I just think giving people happiness, I think
just pulling it off, becausesometimes shows no one really
realizes how hard the work iswith someone that books a show.
They have to do a show a yearbefore it happens, before the
tickets go on sale, orannouncing it, or marketing or
getting that person to taketheir hard earned money that
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they work so hard with, to partwith that money to buy a ticket
to come see something thatyou're doing, to get something
to spend that night, to get ababysitter to come out to be at
one of your shows and theriverfront park shows in the
excel shows they were just allso grand and also magical and to
just have to have those offwith the team because you
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realize the stage has to come in, the lights have to go up and
the sound has to go and there'ssuch a big team of people, um,
that you didn't have to ask alot of people to do stuff
because everyone took such pridein doing it and to lead those
types of teams.
Um, I took a lot of pride inlike we had, but just to get,
just affect people's lives whenyou see people leave shows and
they're happy yeah you knowthat's something that's well.
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I'll always be very thankful ifI don't do another show.
Just be blessed that that I hadthat, those opportunities,
because to see people happy likethat and to know that, like I
said, that experience of thatone-on-one or that time stamp,
or to have people you know comedown, you know, to see orville
peck yeah, that's which is alegend in his own right.
Yeah, but just to have all these, those different artists
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because normally Central PAdidn't get a sniff at those kind
of artists To do what we didand to do what I did.
I just take great pride in, andI'm really thankful and blessed
for the people that helped meout and lived that dream.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You should take great pride in that.
You've done amazing things,especially for the Central
Pennsylvania music scene.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I appreciate it, you.
I've got two final questionsfor you.
Okay, two quick fire two.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I don't know if they're gonna be quick fire
answers, but I'm gonna make themquick fire I talk a lot
obviously you I'm sorry, I'msorry, I'm right
there with you man, I'm rightthere with you.
Yeah, I got the gift of gab um.
Obviously you're passionateabout this and you're doing it
all for the right reasons andyou have the right experience
thank you, I appreciate that sowith that you're not going to
stop, I mean you just said likeyou know, even if I don't have
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another show, you're gratefulfor that, but yeah you're not
going to, so where?
If frank has his way, where doyou see yourself in five years?
Follow?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
that's a great question.
I could tell you this, thoughI've always thought in life,
even with, with radio and withlive entertainment, you're never
in the same place.
Every five years, every fiveyears, you're somewhere
different.
I think I'll be somewherearound events and relationships
and partnerships, and just, I'mgood at putting things together.
I'm good at building things outof nothing.
(20:26):
I'm good at saying why not, whycan't we do this?
I mean Riverfront Park when welooked at that, it was a small.
It's the smallest little park,yeah, but we, we put an SL3.
It was me and John Harris andJohn I'll give him full credit
we walked it.
I was like no way, because wewere thinking City Island and we
were thinking something likethis for something bigger.
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And we went down to look at itand John and I were there and
John's like, well, we can dothis, and I'm just like it's
tight for a massive, becausethat's, the stages were really
big.
Yeah, um, but we shoehorn thatin.
We said, why not?
Let's do something grand, let'sdo something different, and
that's um, to be able to do thatyou know, I've done that my
whole career and just to dostuff that say, why not?
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Why not, let's try it.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
You know, I like, I like that.
Why not?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
why not let's?
Let's put something together,so yeah.
So where am I going to be fiveyears from now?
I don't know, but I couldn'ttell you I'd be right here five
years from five years ago.
I mean because I was doingsomething else.
And then that magical six, sevenyears came along and it's just,
it's going to continue, mylife's going to go on,
everything's great, but know younever.
(21:33):
You never know where you'regoing to be.
You just got to believe inyourself and you kind of just
have to say you know why not,you know, and just don't give up
.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You know, I agree.
The second question that I hadthen.
We'd like to ask all of ourguys this obviously you're very
passionate about this, you'revery passionate about the music
scene and what you're doing isspecial for the music scene yeah
but I want to ask what do youthink is so special about
central pa and its music scene?
Because we've gotten a lot ofthe same answers, but we've also
gotten a lot of vastlydifferent answers.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I don't think it's, I don't think it's exploded yet.
I don't think I think it'sunderrated.
I think it being in the middlebetween you know, dc, baltimore,
pittsburgh, you're the samedistance from all the all the
majors.
Yeah, all the majors.
Yeah, the music industry hastraditionally considered us a
secondary market and have notwanted to come here.
What we've done is really madethis a destination market.
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That's pretty much, you know, apretty solid market, and let's
not, let's not even look pastthe monster and blessing that is
in our backyard that we have areally small town here, right
hershey park arena and HersheyPark Stadium gives us more major
shows than usually some majorcities get.
The live entertainment, theLive Nation and that they're
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doing down there we should notoverlook or take for granted.
We are very lucky to have thosetypes of shows being in here,
because most people have todrive hours, hours, just to get
to a major show, to a majorvenue, and some of these cities
are we had it right here in ourbackyard, and what we've done in
the past six years iscomplement that and do that, you
know, to bring that, to bringit to a point where we're not a
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secondary market but we'll getsniffs and looks and like, hey,
let's, harrisburg can support it, they can take care of the
artists, they can take it to,they can sell tickets.
They can do a lot of thingsthat they didn't think, that you
know.
Williamsport can't do or youknow other small towns can't do
so, you know, I think that Nowthe local scene's a different
story.
You know, that's a scene thatprobably does have to grow and
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probably doesn't get the creditit does deserve.
I think Lancaster's doing agreat job with what they're
doing.
I think Lancaster is doing agreat job with what they're
doing.
I think it's a different vibethan what's in Harrisburg, Sure,
but I think there's a lot ofhidden gems out there.
But I think Harrisburg has someroom to grow with the local
scene and the smaller scene likethat.
But I think, you know, with the, with the shows that they have,
you know, at the club scene,with what XL is doing and some
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other clubs, I think it'sgrowing.
I think it's growing at areally good pace.
You're probably going to seesome bigger things come out of
some other venues that may havebeen quiet in the past.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
All right yeah.
Yeah, and that's awesome, so Ihope.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Well, thank you for.
Are you all on board?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Let's do it, let's do it, why not, can I?
Speaker 1 (24:10):
sell you a car, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Go 72 months, break it down dude, thank you so much
for coming on and letting uspick your brain yeah, anytime,
guys, I'd love to come backanytime.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Seriously, man, we really appreciate it.
That was awesome love it, yougot it.
Thanks again, guys absolutely,thank you thank you appreciate
it.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
We were sitting down with Spencer from Public Disco
Porch.
Sorry, I always keep wanting tosay panic because it's like I
don't know, like disco, but Iknow it's public disco porch.
So, dude, thank you so much forcoming down and sitting with us
.
Oh man, thanks for having me,of course stoked to have you
here man?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
yeah, dude, I don't get out dillsburg that often,
but uh, the drive, even in thedark, was beautiful.
There was no lights on anywhere.
It was like driving past likelittle farm houses on the side
of the road.
It was awesome.
I had a great time.
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, because you you have like almost like your own
farm.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Yeah, you live on.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
right now we were talking about that off-camera
and everything it's.
It's awesome, man, she's like,oh cool, it's like I didn't even
leave home.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I'm taking a trip to grandma's cottage.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Dude, tell us how this, how this band came to be
like.
Tell us what makes public discoporch public disco porch.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
So I grew up in York, pennsylvania, and the narrative
of that town and area, maybeeven South Central Pennsylvania
at large, was kind of like Ican't wait to get out or I can't
wait to go do something elseother than the stuff that this
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place has to offer, which neverreally resonated with me.
But I did end up leaving to goto the Midwest and spend some
time out there playing music, Um, but kind of always wanted to
make it back here because, uh, Itraveled a lot and saw like the
hills in Tuscany look a lotlike um parts of 83, like the
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drive in that there was likekind of like meandering hills
and uh.
So even when I was in Chicago Iwas kind of writing songs about
like nostalgia and referencesto York, pennsylvania anyway, as
sort of like a, a totem orreference point for lyrical
content.
Um, and then so when me and mywife moved back, it kind of
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really took hold with this band,uh, as like a, a way to talk
about the, the practices andrituals of south central
pennsylvania and like the peoplethat walked the land before us
and, um, because I do think it'slike really reverent and I
think it's like very beautiful.
I think there's a lot of really, uh, positive spirit that, like
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this land holds.
So, yeah, that that's like whatthe ethos of the band started to
be and that's like what Istarted writing songs about and
became really easy to writesongs about that, as opposed to
like my own take on the world orsomething yeah, um but so, yeah
, and then like the past twoyears it really formed as a, as
a four-piece, whereas before,when I was living away from town
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writing songs about it, I wascollaborating with musicians and
friends from like all over theworld, like I'd have friends
from france sing on a song andsample that and I would build
like what albums out of likethese little snippets of audio
samples.
Um, but now it is a four-piecerock and roll band.
Uh, that is kind of not justleaning into the spirit of stuff
(27:30):
that you know we're givingallegiance to.
Um, it now has kind of taken onits own aesthetic texture and
its own sort of like beast it'sgot its own unique sound?
I think so.
I mean I say that as like oneof the harshest critics of the
band.
Uh, I, I maybe, like maybe fivemonths ago, I saw a video of us
(27:54):
playing a song and there was aswirl happening on stage that I
just had never really seen ornever really felt like I was
contributing to in any otherband that I was a part of, and
it was like okay, yeah, that's aband.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
That's awesome, man.
I mean obviously you're doingsomething right.
I mean, because you are CPMAwinners, man, You're the best
folk band?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, we are your best folk band.
Yeah, that's, yeah, we are best.
We have best folk band.
Uh, maybe folk metal sometimes,but dude I'm, I'm all about
this.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh, I call it me and my girlfriend kind of dubbed it
like country core, like you havelike like groups like hardy
that are like play country andthen all of a sudden, just out
of nowhere, like does screaming,and I was like dude, I didn't
know this is like what we needed, but like I'm here for it, like
so, like dude, if you guys wantto start going that route and
everything, dude, I'm all for it, man there's, there's some of
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that on the new record.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
For sure, it's um moments of reverence and you
know, sometimes there's just asingle creaking violin.
But then other times we clickon a metal zone and throw some
dirt at you.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
For sure, hell, hell yeah, dude, I mean that you're
referring to a benediction right.
Speaker 5 (28:59):
It just came out in August yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
I thought it's off to .
I think I didn't get all theway through it yet, so I'm going
to.
I'm gonna have to keeplistening to it then, Um, but I
mean, yeah, congratulations.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I mean, yeah, I've been making music uh in
different iterations and uh, Iguess it's like technically
maybe the fourth album or ep orsomething the lines get blurred.
Now what they really are so umthe fourth recording project of
public disco porch, but it feelslike the most succinct, direct,
(29:34):
pointed thing that I've everdone or been a part of.
Like I'm really proud of it.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's awesome man, as you should.
Where did you draw the soundfrom?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
That's a good question.
I mean like obviously everybodyhas influence, and maybe even
like what I was kind of talkingabout were five months ago or
whenever I was like fit,wrapping up the work on this
music Um, I noticed thatinfluence kind of had started to
fade away a little bit, whichwas exciting to see, that's cool
(30:09):
.
To like that.
You, um, but that comes fromexcavation and trying a bunch of
stuff, right?
and like having people influenceyou and listening to music that
you love, that imprints on you,and then you like try to do
that and, um, that's not a badthing and maybe that was like
historically, what, what was theexperimentation or the
(30:31):
excavation is like?
what does my voice sound like?
How do I mix my voice?
How do I um balance a guitarthat I want to be very heavy
that also interrupts like whereI'm singing?
Uh, that kind of level ofdetail just kind of started
happening with that albumbenediction, and it really kind
of sounds.
It's.
It's where we recorded it inthis like out building at my
(30:52):
place.
Um, it has really started totake shape of like what the band
sounds like, because the woodstove is in there and it rattles
when the drum hits.
So I like that, uh, where youcan find a sense of space and
atmosphere that is specific tosomething rawness yeah yeah, I
mean, it's like we do all of thethe professional tricks that
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you do to make something soundgood, but like, yeah, it's its
own animal right now.
Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
That is so sweet.
I love that kind of stuff.
I mean I like when you canalmost find like what's the word
I'm looking for Character fromthe sound.
Obviously it has its own sound.
But when the sound kind ofbuilds its own like persona,
like it's, like it has its ownflavor and everything, and like
I love when you can find thatbecause there's like our last
(31:47):
guest we had on frank, he wassaying, like you know, there's
so many bands out there, so manyof them can be within the same
realm of sound, but then you'llfind that one that just like
it's like ooh, yeah.
I like the flavor of that soundand it's like it just sticks out
to you.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Definitely Well, and to kind of tie into that and
what you were saying as wellearlier off air, I feel like we
should probably bring this backup.
You were talking about some ofthe things you do to mix your
music.
That's a little bit unique.
Can we talk about that a littlebit?
Can we kind of go back overthat for?
Speaker 5 (32:16):
the listeners.
I know that that's.
I think that is a big part ofwhat is happening.
The band has had some reallycool opportunities that I didn't
think this kind of music wouldmaybe be allocated.
But I think a lot of that hasto do with aesthetic texture and
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attention to um atmospherewithin its own, within its own
package and, uh, we I do myselfand the other guys in the band
do think about that and likerelish and have fun in that
aspect of it.
So, yeah, the the recordingprocess.
We don't really put out thatmuch or something or like I
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don't know if it's interesting,but I know there's gear heads
out there that like that kind ofstuff.
So yeah, uh, yeah, there'sthere's a company in york um,
pennsylvania, called atrmagnetics and it is the premier
uh tape manufacturer for theworld.
Um, and they have betty is thesweet woman who owns and runs it
(33:19):
and she's just in her officeall the time in this warehouse
shout out betty, shout out,betty, for sure dude and uh.
So I go down there and got awhole bunch of um reels, two
inch quarter inch.
I have a bunch of tape machinesin my uh little loft area that
we record and it's really fun toexperiment with, you know,
(33:39):
drawing a bunch of sharpie ontoa real tape and seeing what it
does to a drum bus and then runthat back into uh whatever you
know session.
You're, you're mixing um, but alot of those mixing moves on
this album specifically are done, um on an anal 30 like an
analog 32 channel console wherewe're like making mixing moves
and basically using a computeras a way to store uh more.
(34:03):
So you have more things thatcan kind of be stored in a
warehouse, but then the movesare printed from there to a
console, to tape, and themasters that you hear on Spotify
are quarter-inch ATR tape.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That's wild man.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
I don't know a single other person doing that.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I'm sure there's people out there.
It's like a lost art man yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
I mean it is tedious.
You cut tape and you you startfinding, like you know, uh
you're actually doing splicingfor like the, the actual mixes.
Um, I love that stuff, liketinkering and and it feels more
musical to like turn a knob thanit does like move your mouse or
something, uh, so the more Ican have all of my hands on my
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music at any time, uh is moreexciting because it's about that
connection man yeah, changinglike an eq sweep when you're
doing that on a console asopposed to some sort of
visualizer.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Is is more tactile and there's texture to it, it's
genuine, it's like driving anold ferrari you feel everything
yeah, more like a shitty ford orsomething the one that I have.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
The farm vehicle yeah , has the farm license plate on
it.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Lots of rust, yeah maybe some of the some of the
channel strips don't always work, you gotta the truck that would
inspire a country artist yeah,yeah, sure, exactly right like
waylon, like like waylon's,exactly right Like Waylon.
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
That's awesome, man.
How did you know that youwanted to do that?
Because I feel, like I said, Ifeel like it's almost like a
lost art and you already knowwhat you're doing on the
computer.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
So how did you know that's the route you kind of
wanted to explore, to evenexplore and then settle on you
like, yeah, absolutely, this iswhat I'm looking for I think
it's, it's part of what I wassaying excavation, like I think
about, from the writing process,uh, to like dig something up
and bring it up to the air andwatch it burn off.
The only way you can do thatwith like the, the process of
mixing um, is that same way oflike, uh, experimenting and
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digging and like with a computeror software.
There's like really goodemulation.
But then I mean I just had the,the realization or revelation
or something, where I waslooking at a Kramer tape plug
plugin that was basically tryingto emulate a tape sound.
And I had just walked by at theantique store there was a Sony
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tape machine so I was like I'mjust going to go try it to see
if it's the same and it was morefun.
It's just like it takes longerand it's more tedious and you
get frustrated.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
But so we understand why the emulator exists.
Yeah, yeah, for sure man, forsure you, you want to get your
hands dirty with it.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Yeah, and and, um, I don't know, I think that I have
my.
I have two little girls and, uh, one of the more like immediate
and impactful moments of mylife truly was when I showed her
a typewriter.
My oldest she's five years oldnow, but this is maybe when she
was two I, I like I was typingon a typewriter because I have a
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thing that's called the localsong book and I find all like
the local bands that I like andthen I type there I have a
playlist that's basically on anold typewriter and so I was
showing her this and that's socool.
If you hit a typewriter and itgoes and then it like slaps the
ink ribbon, she immediately wentwhoa and tried to look around
(37:32):
to the other side.
Whereas, like a tablet or acomputer is zeros and ones and
it's designed for the humanbrain to just kind of like
intuitively figure it out andyou don't kind of really think
when you're, uh, using an ipador your phone or something yeah,
just like we were talking about.
It's like good to have stufflike a bonsai tree to get your
(37:54):
hands off of, like technology.
I mean technology is incredible, but, um, sometimes like a
return to physical things isimportant and grounding and for
me, like like a guitar beingplugged into an amplifier is
very different than just likeplugging it into an audio
interface.
So I wanted that feeling oflike the typewriter and diming
(38:17):
an amplifier for a guitar.
To translate to basically likeevery piece of our music.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Dude that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
That is really cool man.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You are certainly extremely passionate about this
man.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
It's deep too, like it's.
Like, I mean there'scaptivating yeah, like I mean,
obviously we've plenty ofmusicians in the scene and
everything, and like no one isbetter or worse than each other
right but, it's like you.
You almost took like being amusician and you went like back
to like the roots of like whatdoes it like?
(38:48):
What did the ogs do?
What does it actually mean tobe a musician?
Like, like you said, you couldshred on the guitar.
That's awesome, you know that.
And you plug into an interfaceand I can do all these crazy
things on it and it's like, yeah, cool, you are also a musician
and there is there is a crowdfor that, there, there's a party
for that.
But you're like but how do I bea musician?
like with my hands, like all theway through, start to finish
(39:10):
maybe, yeah, maybe that was it.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
I think I had a moment where, um, a few years
ago, I was thinking abouthanging it all up.
I just like was kind of over it.
I was sick of like hearingmyself try, uh, like recording
yourself in isolation is, is youyou start to fall into like an
echo chamber just trying toohard, or something.
(39:32):
And um, yeah, a lot of friendskind of said that that would be
not a good idea, but that thatspirit of like trying to be like
what, what is, what am I doing?
Like, what is what is the pointof doing music song?
Um, kind of like releasing theself, being like the focus of
(39:53):
being me, or having a ring lightthat like pushes in on you so
that you can garner some TikTokviews, or something wasn't of
interest.
It was that kind of stuff Likewhat is the, what is the
tangible thing that I can leavebehind, that like my daughter
might find in the attic someday,like if I'm when I'm gone, she
can then see the tape machine,see this record that is a
(40:14):
document, and then can put it onand be like, oh yeah, that's
someone that was really trying.
And then, obviously, figuringout the source material of like
singing songs about theSusquehanna or the ritualistic
healings of the south centralpennsylvania dutch, like that
kind of stuff, was like reallycharging for me lyrically to
find purpose and like figuringout what am I going to play
(40:35):
through a distorted amplifier.
Um, and it made it more fun.
So, yeah, I think it's likefiguring out what is a musician
is obviously different foreverybody and it's equally valid
for everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
But for me the thing was this sort of return to
physical things.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
You want to leave your physical footprint.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
I think so.
Yeah, that's it.
I think so, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm not even just saying this
for, like, the sake of the showor the sake of the views, but
like, literally, you, you kindof mind blew me because it's
like, like, like I considermyself a musician, danny does as
well, chris does, andeverything.
Like, we've all, we've all donethings.
But it's like everyone likethat you can be like, oh, I want
to be a musician and you candedicate yourself to a craft on
an instrument or whatever.
(41:19):
Everyone's going to have theirinfluence and it's like, okay,
cool, like that influences me.
I've learned how to have thatinfluence me.
Now, how do I make it?
How do I make my own sound fromthat?
But it's like and that'stypically where it stops you're
like cool, how do I make my?
How do I make my own sound?
But like, literally, how do Imake my own sound?
(41:43):
Yeah, and you just took it onestep deeper and it's just like I
never thought about doingsomething like, oh, maybe if I
didn't use an SM58 or whatever,maybe if I used something else
or whatever, if I tried runningit through, this type of maybe
that could have jogged my memoryas a vocalist, how would I get
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more tangible with my sound?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Like and that's crazy man Like I.
Just that, never even likecrossed my mind, honestly.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Well, even with, like you know, different instruments
, there's a million differenttools you can use, even for,
like, percussion.
You have the uh and slides andstuff like that.
But whenever it comes to thewhole music, it's like oh yeah,
you can compress it, you can,you can mix this and throw on
this effect, but what you did isjust went a whole nother step
further, took a step back intime, which is awesome?
Speaker 5 (42:34):
yeah, I think it's.
It's actually maybe like a step.
Um, excuse me, it's interestingthat it's like, uh, being
perceived right now as a stepforward or something, because it
truly was like a a limitation.
I also like working withinguardrails, um, that sometimes
can be like a little bit moreinspiring if you're, if you're
limited to just like saying I'monly going to use a violin and a
(42:58):
guitar to write a song, um,whereas like a tape machine, you
only have so many knobs, you'relimited to making decisions,
and that helps me finish things.
And I also kind of had anothersort of revelation through
working with that workflow wasthat everybody plays guitar.
(43:19):
That's not an extraordinarything you just mentioned.
All of us here are musicians,and that's a beautiful thing,
and we can like rally aroundbands that we like and that's
absolutely so healthy forsociety.
Indefinitely right for sure.
Um, however, like I think, I'vebeen trying to lean into being
(43:40):
extra space, ordinary, likesimple ingredients, like it's.
It's funny sometimes whenpeople come up or listen to the
record and ask like what did youuse to to mix and master?
it's like a console and a tapemachine yeah it's like not like
a special thing, it's like anextra extraordinarily ordinary
thing and, uh, I think thatthat's been fun to try and like
(44:04):
play with that space, especiallythat headspace with mixing and
recording, to be extra spaceordinary I think it's even
cooler to just like kind of Idon't know if you ever put it
into like perspective, but it'slike you said three years ago.
Speaker 4 (44:16):
You were thinking about maybe hanging up music,
whatever, and you decidedessentially, for all intents and
purposes, you're like I'm goingto take two steps backwards, to
take one step forward.
And taking that two stepsbackwards, like you didn't quit,
and now you're an award-winning, like recognized act and it's
like isn't it crazy how likethings like that work.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Sometimes it does take.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Going back to the roots, maybe it does take.
You know, let's take two stepsbackwards because maybe maybe
the path forward is easier twosteps ago.
You know what I mean.
So it's like it's crazy, man,like honestly, this was a very
cool, deep thought, enlighteninglike conversation.
Man, like I have like otherquestions, I got about like
music and everything, but likedude, your process was just like
(44:59):
enthralling.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Yeah Wow, oh my goodness enough.
Yeah wow, oh my goodness.
Well, we are kind of runningout of time here, but uh, I I'm
never not, you know, kicking offor anything.
Is there any uh other show likeanything else coming up you
want to promote?
I know you just came out withyour new album back in august.
Uh, any new music coming out orshows or uh benefits, things
you got going on that you mightwant to shout out for any
listeners to check out in thefuture?
Speaker 5 (45:20):
oh yeah, we got we always got stuff cooking for
sure.
Um, I mean our shows are kindof wrapping up.
On this Friday we're playingtomorrow at Love Drafts and
that's the Awesome One of thebands that I put on the local
songbook.
Their name is Babel Map andthey just released a record
called Teeth and we're openingtheir album release tomorrow at
(45:42):
Love Drafts Awesome, so.
But I mean that'll probablyhave happened.
But yeah, I mean I think we'regoing to take a little bit of
time in the winter to recordsome more stuff that is there,
and then the spring and summer Ithink it just shows until we
drop.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
Heck, yeah, man, I love that.
The only other question I wantto ask, because we ask every
guest, especially as a musicianyeah, from Central PA, obviously
you left.
You grew up in Central PA, leftCentral PA and were drawn back
to it, and you are anaward-winning musician.
What do you think is so specialabout Central PA?
What do you think makes CentralPA so special when it comes to
the music scene?
(46:22):
Why do you think we have such arich music culture here?
Not to put you on the spot, oranything.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Cue the Jeopardy music now, I'm joking.
I think that there is a senseof deep camaraderie in
recognizing even more so latelythan maybe even in the past.
I think this like sort of likewe're going through like an ego
death with local music where uhpeople don't really care uh
(46:57):
their own path to whatever theydeem success or something and I
think success when it comes tomusic is a frivolous term but
like there's so much value inthe different corners that South
Central Pennsylvania has tooffer.
Like Ron and Ian are going tobe at First Capital dispensing
company playing Monday nightsnack club for three hours as
(47:17):
happy as they possibly can.
Like our band is going to beputting together like a bash and
just thrashing our guitars, andthat's very different.
But like all of these differentuh musical entities have like
their own validity and likewe're starting to champion one
(47:38):
another uh, with stuff like youall are doing, the central
pennsylvania music sort of groupas a whole, I think, is just
like an unbelievable championfor live music.
So, uh, the local scene is richwith like a camaraderie that is
in our blood and, uh, we don'tcare who who gets the light for
(48:02):
a particular time, and when itcomes on to that person, I think
that they're they're trying tolike shine it on other people
too, which I think is uh whatmakes it special and exciting to
be a part of dude.
Speaker 4 (48:13):
The only other thing I have to say about this whole
thing before we wrap this up islike I I honestly think I think
your your time here.
Honestly, I think a lot ofartists can benefit from it
because you, the way you, you,you are a wordsmith dude like a
hundred percent, Like the wayyou, the way you have a way with
words is like crazy the way yousaid that was awesome and I
think, the way you describedyour writing process.
(48:35):
I think there are a lot ofpeople that are probably going
to listen to your episode andit's probably going to get their
gears turning.
I think you, without meaning to, may have have contributed a
major piece of advice to a lotof artists without even meaning
to, and I think that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, amazing, it's super enlightening.
Man, this is Hell yeah.
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Yeah, man, but you do have a song for us, correct?
Speaker 5 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I'll play some version of the song for
sure, all right.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Awesome Sweet man.
We're looking forward to it.
Absolutely Without any furtherado.
Let's get to the liveperformance.
Thank you so much for coming onthe show man.
Speaker 5 (49:10):
Oh, thanks for having me, guys.
This was really fun.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Thank you, man.
Guitar solo.
Hey Matthew, how many?
Did you count up?
All the holes in their hands?
Did they Lazarus themselvesback down?
Did they raise up, like yousaid?
(50:38):
Hey Matthew, where are they?
Why don't our tongues knowtheir names?
Speaker 5 (50:51):
Did your pen miss where they ended up.
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I'm a solemn blade of grass now.
Hey, matthew, what happened?
Why don't our tongues speaktheir names?
There's a nail buried in myhead.
Now you put a nail in my brain.
Can you drive it home?
(51:45):
Can you drive it home?
Can you drive it home?
Guitar solo.
Thank you, we'll see you nexttime.
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