The Central Pennsylvania Music Awards 2025 - Special

Welcome to a CPMP Special: The Central Pennsylvania Music Awards! Please enjoy these exclusive interviews with the 6th Annual CPMHOF Inductees, backstage at the awards show.

In order of interview:
The Innocence Mission - https://www.theinnocencemission.com/
The Jordan Brothers - https://www.facebook.com/theJordanBrothers/
The Soulville All-Stars - https://www.discogs.com/artist/2187362-The-Soulville-All-Stars
Mike Reid - https://www.mikereidmusic.com/bio
August Burns Red - https://augustburnsred.com/

Recorded at the CPMAs, March 5th, 2025 @ The American Music Theatre in Lancaster, PA.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to a special episode of the Central
Pennsylvania Music Podcast atthe Central Pennsylvania Music
Awards.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello and welcome to another special episode of the
Central Pennsylvania MusicPodcast.
I'm your host, daniel, and, asalways, I'm your co-host, alan.
We are backstage at the 2025Central Pennsylvania Music
Awards and Hall of FameInduction Ceremony we're going
to be interviewing all of theinductees.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
We're going to get to know a little bit more about
them, their journey to get hereand how they're feeling tonight.
So stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
We are here with Mike and Steve of the Innocence
Mission.
Guys, thank you so much forjoining us here tonight.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
We greatly appreciate it.
Your guys band formed back inthe I guess let's just say the
mid eighties started out.
I guess you could tell story,so let's, let's talk about the
beginning of the band and we'llgo on from there we all met in
high school.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Um, we were in some musicals together.
That's how we first got to knoweach other.
Okay, and then around 1982, westarted, but we played our first
.
Our first show was at thelancaster catholic high carnival
oh, that's awesome.
It was actually the very firstlancaster catholic high carnival
.
Yeah, like in 1982.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Okay, so you guys originally actually started as a
cover band, correct?

Speaker 5 (01:07):
That's correct sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
So who did you guys cover?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
It was all the classic rock of the day.
I should have rephrased it.
Who was?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
your favorite to cover.
Do you have a favorite?

Speaker 6 (01:19):
I liked it when we did a lot of the hard songs.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
Okay, because Karen could really do it well.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
And a lot of the hard songs, because Karen could
really do it well.
We did a lot of Ann and NancyWilson covers, I mean anything
that was popular at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's awesome, and Led Zeppelin because she could
sing really high.
That's awesome.
So you guys are crushing italready.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
So then what made you guys take that shift from the
cover band to the independentband?
You guys were going to startwriting the original.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Well, karen was always writing, you know.
See, even even in the earlydays, we would, yeah, play.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
One of us do some of her songs she had something to
say and it was really reallygood yeah, that's awesome you
opened.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm sorry.
You recorded your first albumin 1989, was it correct?
Yeah, yeah, so and now, if I'mnot mistaken, that first album
was recorded by the husband ofjoni mitchell.
Right, that's right yeah, yeah,what was it like getting to
work with someone like him.
I can't remember his name.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
It's escaping me right now larry clark, larry
clark, thank you I I neverworked so hard in my life yes,
because you were not.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
You were not going to leave there without impressing
yeah part of it was we were.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
We were green musicians, we never had any
major studio experience.
And he and I'm just speakingfor myself because he's a bass
player, he's a session bassplayer.
You've heard him Early on.
He, in the nicest way possible,he said you know, you've got to
get your act together.
You've got to really step it upto do.
You know to play, so you've gotto really work on your
performance and everything.

(02:42):
Absolutely.
It was great.
It was a great way to learn.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
And then you guys, from that point on then you guys
kind of really prioritizedrecording independently, then,
correct, you guys didn't reallysign with any of the bigger
labels.
You guys were more focused onthe independent recording
correct?

Speaker 6 (02:55):
No, we were on A&M for all three records.
It wasn't until later, afterA&M was purchased by Polygram,
that the group went independent.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
That's what it was.
Okay, I apologize.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
I must have, just, I misread my card.
I misread my card and my notes.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
I apologize, but you guys do have a very cool sound.
You guys are known for yourethereal sounds as well.
How did you guys?
What drew you guys to that kindof sound?
Did it just kind of comenaturally?
Did you guys already have apreconceived kind of sound you
guys wanted to create?
If you wouldn't mindelaborating on that, can you?

Speaker 6 (03:30):
elaborate on that.
I can elaborate on that A lotof the style Mike and I
developed playing with Don andKaren.
And, by the way, 1982, thatmeans Mike and I have been
playing together for 46 years,by the way.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Which congratulations , because I don't really know a
lot of people that can say that.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
So a lot of the style and, like I say here I'm
speaking for myself.
But what I noticed was, becauseKaren is such a soft-spoken
person, it really draws you in.
It really draws you in.
And when she was presentingsongs to us, a lot of times what
we would hone in on was justthe vocal melody.

(04:10):
So Mike and I learned to playoff of melody versus off of
rhythm.
So we were constantly honing inon what she was doing, her
phrasing, what she was saying.
I was always concerned orinterested in what she was
saying because I wanted to playsomething that you know, I

(04:32):
wanted to play visually, right.

Speaker 8 (04:32):
That's awesome Right like.

Speaker 6 (04:35):
One of the things that I remember all the time was
a statement by Wayne Shorterwhere you know you play like a
duck floating on top of thewater but underneath there's
tension and I wanted to takewhat she was presenting and play
visually.
So I think he I think for me itdeveloped a unique style for a
drummer not locking in andplaying time with the bass

(04:55):
player, but playing off melodythat's really interesting, that
like that's a really creativeway of like looking at is that
the what you think gave you your?
edge.
I think it helped craft mystyle yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
That's awesome.
And now, here you guys are.
You guys are at the CentralPennsylvania Music Awards.
You guys are being inductedinto the Hall of Fame.
How does that feel?
What was it like getting thatphone call being told you guys
were going to be inducted intothe Hall?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
of Fame.
Oh, it was fantastic.
I couldn't even believe it.
So, yeah, it's not somethingthat I expected, so I don't know
what else to say, but yeah, itwas a thrill for sure.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
If you could describe this entire journey, all the
way up to this point, in a fewwords, what would you choose?

Speaker 6 (05:40):
I think life has a way of cycling and when you're
young and starting out, you'reyour own person and trying to
figure things out, and then inyour middle life you kind of
dote on others, like I raised afamily, worked on my career, so
on.
Now that the kids are grown andI've let go of the career, I'm

(06:03):
playing again and I'm findingmyself again.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (06:06):
So that is a gift that has been given back to me,
and I'm thrilled.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
That's a beautiful message.
Honestly, not a lot of peopleget to have that opportunity
then to come back to what theircraft was and find themselves
again, so that's awesome.
I'm really happy that you wereable to do that as well.
That's cool.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
I feel extremely fortunate.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's awesome able to do that as well.
That's cool.
I feel extremely fortunate.
That's you guys are inspiring.
Yes, I did have one otherquestion, so, and maybe I'm not
as well versed as I should be toask this question, but indie
I'm a big fan of indie music andyou know.
I really feel like it had itsbig renaissance in the like
later 90s.
What was it like playing indiein the early 90s?

Speaker 4 (06:42):
it was for me.
Um, there was so much greatmusic happening in the 90s and
we were on the road all the time, so I was kind, we did a tour,
uh, at borders, the old bordersbookshops, you know.
We would play there in theafternoon in the city that we
were going to play the gig laterand now they would pay us.
Not pay us, but they would letus, you know, take a cd or or
book or something so yeah, so Iyeah yeah

(07:02):
that's a good deal so, uh, I got, I heard a lot of great music
because people at clubs, youknow, they want to talk and they
talk about bands that they likeand everything.
So I got, you know, I wentthrough this uh, giant stereo
lab, you know, phase for likeabout four months on the road,
you know.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
So just people just talking to people.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
Yeah, we.
We both teach now too, so ourstudents turn us on to new
things and stuff that's going onand music that we should pay
attention to.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's got to be such a rewarding experience to be
someone.
You carved your own path andnow you get to educate others in
music and just in life a lot ofpeople have given us things out
of their free will and helpedus.

Speaker 6 (07:42):
It's time for us to do the same thing.
It's time for us to do the samething.
It's time to give it back.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
That's awesome.
I have one final question foryou guys.
If you don't mind being Hall ofFame inductees, being legendary
musicians, what's one piece ofadvice that you would give to
people that might try to aspireto reach the same kind of level
of fame?
Try to impact the same amountof people.
What's some advice you wouldgive them?

Speaker 4 (08:03):
impact the same amount of people.
What's, what's some advice youwould give them?
Say this been said many timesbefore but just focus on the
work, okay, not on um, not ontrying trying to be famous.
You know, and I'm like I said,I'm not the first person to say
this, but just if you just focuson the work.
You know it'll, it'll, it'llcome, you know you got.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
You got to focus on the progress right, not focus on
the finish line.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
Follow your heart, follow your inner voice.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
I love that You're a man of like specific words and I
love it.
We should definitely have youon on a full segment then, if
you guys would ever be willingto come on, I would love to dive
deep with you guys.

Speaker 6 (08:41):
I'll do it.
If he does it, he's beenthrough a lot.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
I would love to hear all of it.
Gentlemen, thank you so muchfor taking the time to stop over
and speak with us then, andcongratulations again on
everything that you guys haveaccomplished.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
You're very welcome.
Thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, thanks.
Thank you, sir.
Pleasure to meet you guys,pleasure to meet you guys.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
So again we are backstage here at the Central
Pennsylvania Music Awards and wehave Frank Jordan of the Jordan
Brothers Band.

Speaker 8 (09:06):
Hi everybody.
This is great.
I'm so excited about this wholething.
I feel like a star.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, you are a star, you are a star, you're being
inducted into the whole thing.

Speaker 8 (09:16):
Somebody came up to me one day and said you know
what star?
I thought about that a littlebit.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
I'll give you time.
Frank, thank you so much fortaking the time to come speak
with us.

Speaker 8 (09:26):
My pleasure this is really a thrill for me.
Thank you so much.
All the hard work paid off.
It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
I mean speaking of it , you had to put in a lot of
hard work.
I mean, this started as afamily band.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
Yes, it did.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
This started not to date you or Adrian, anyway,
because you don't look a dayover 35, sir.
But, you guys started way back.
Please tell us the beginning,Tell us how this whole thing
started.

Speaker 8 (09:48):
I got to tell you, we started as a variety band
wanting to play bar mitzvahsweddings.
So we learned chardash, polka,we learned everything, golden
slippers.
We had what they call a ponybook or a black market book, and
I played sax at the time.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
I love they call a pony book or a black market book
and uh, I played sax at thetime.

Speaker 8 (10:08):
I love the sax, love the sax, love the sax I got a
sweet spot for the sax, sir,when you're in the back seat of
car and that sucker comes on,look out, okay, anyway, yeah, so
you know, there I was, you know, playing sax and everything,
and I had a transpose, a b-flatclarinet and saxophone which I
played.
You had to transpose at a halfnote above Because it's keyed

(10:28):
differently, and we had thispony book and I'd translate on
the book.
We played everything.
There was a thousand and onesongs, so we never would get
caught.
Imagine carrying that manyrecords Forty-fives around.
That'd be a heavy weight, thatwould be a lot, but that's how
we started.
And then the introduction ofrock and roll bill haley and the
comet, selvis presley.

(10:48):
We jumped on that bag wagon andthat's what took over
everything.
It's just, everybody came tosee us.
We're playing everly brothers,their early stuff, wham.
People jam on the door.
So we stuck with that that'sawesome.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
you had your hit song .
Give me some loving when, whenI'm sorry, here comes the big
controversial argument here.
Yeah, oh, I didn't know.
No, there was a controversialargument either.

Speaker 8 (11:14):
Oh, and, like we, had the release in the United
States, the first uh release, uh, spencer Davis Follett.
Now, the way the story was,they heard that in Boston we
have the number one record sold84,000 records in the first week
, oh my God.
Well, when they heard this thisis a story I heard, now don't
blame me they got on thebandwagon and said oh my God,

(11:36):
this is on our album, let's redoit, we'll go in the studio.
So they did.
I have a good friend namedJerry Granahan.
Back in the 50s had a hit noChemise Please.
And he called and he said Frank, I got the record.
I am doing it over piano, girlanswers, singers and everything
in the background.
So they put it out after wereleased it and they covered it.

(11:59):
So, hey, that's where your lifegoes, folks.
Wow, but it was so close, soclose.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I mean I wouldn't say close.
I think he still accomplished apretty good amount.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I still think it's a pretty good accomplishment.

Speaker 8 (12:14):
Well, back in that day and around that time soul
music was very hot.
Wilson Pickett had the numberone song, mustang Sally, and it
was just so hot.
People were buying blackrecords we call them today and
Spencer Davis came out and Iswear each guy has to be black.
They sounded black and so didthe record.
So I think that's what reallywas one of the reasons just

(12:38):
covered it.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's awesome.
So I gotta ask someone that hasagain not trying to date.
You, sir, has come through allthese generations of music and
you see where music is now.
What is that journey like?
How can you explain that tosome of our viewers, what that
journey of music is like?

Speaker 8 (12:54):
I'm glad to give you a quick story.
We were packing them in withour I call it an oldies show Yep
, we were doing the Everleys andElvis and all that, and
Lakeside was packed, I heard.
The story I hear is 3,200 kids.
Now we're talking teenagers inone building.
Okay, so we're seeing this.
But also, at the same time,we're hearing a difference in

(13:17):
music Classic rock, if you will.
Now, yep, and we had to startplaying this because we were not
a copy band.
Well, maybe you could say thatnow you've got legend bands and
things like that.
So we started doing I'll neverforget it.
We did Sunshine of your Love byCream.
It was the first real heavymetal type record we did.
Our dancers now standing therelooking they are not getting the

(13:42):
beat, and I think, if I'm notmistaken, it was done in the
5-fifth time.
I can't swear on that.

Speaker 10 (13:47):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (13:52):
So they couldn't pick up the beat on it.
They were a little slow on that, though, and so we could see
the dancing crowd slowly.
We grew our hair long.
We did the bell-bottom thingyou guys committed.
Oh boy, you guys committed ohboy we just did you guys locked
in.
But, believe me, these musicianswere awesome, playing the
double bass on the drums and allthe things they did.

(14:13):
Chord progressions were awesome.
So we jumped on it, loving it,loving the music.
And so the crowd dwindled andwe picked up a whole new crowd
and coming down here with afriend by jerry oh, come on,
frank he called us down.
He said would you guys comedown to denver park?
Okay?
And I said all right.

(14:34):
So we went down, gave him a nicelittle price and next thing,
you know, these teenagers werepicking up on our music.
We were playing paranoid blacksabbath, we were playing all
this heavy metal stuff.
We picked up a whole new crowdand we started working this
crowd and staying in.
That dane finally went back toour own crowd and they went.

(14:54):
You know, it ain't bad.
They started getting into it.
It's crazy the more you hear asong on radio, the more you get
to like it it's true at first.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Repetition is key.
Here you go, yeah, you know,but the more you hear it like it
.

Speaker 8 (15:03):
It's true At first Repetition is key.
Here you go, yeah, but the moreyou hear it, it proves itself.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
What was that like, I don't want to cut you off.

Speaker 8 (15:10):
I know you definitely got a question here, sir.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
But what was that like as a saxophone player and a
clarinet player?
Was it going to Black Sabbathand Paranoid.

Speaker 8 (15:17):
What was that like as a musician?
You get the no, you don't.
What you do is you switch.
And I'm very lucky and thankyou, good Lord.
I was musically inclined.
I could pick up instruments.
I was playing guitar, I wasplaying bass.
So I picked up the bass withthe band and started doing this
stuff with the bass and itworked.

(15:38):
So we were all really surprisedthat, okay, the kids are
accepting this, it's okay, let'sdo it.
Now we get into James Gang andstuff that got a little tough.
Okay, but it worked.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
That's awesome, it worked.
Yeah, oh, my goodness, I couldlisten to your stories all day.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Sarah, I'll be honest with you, well, I'll tell you
what, while we were doing thisand making the change, we heard
someone going oh man, they'reawful, they're playing this
lousy, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and so we just kept at itand kept proving yeah, we can
do this.
And then we picked up thatcrowd it was great.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
So you helped pave the way for the metal music
scene a little bit.
You did what.
You helped pave the way.

Speaker 8 (16:17):
Yeah, you mean for a lot of musicians.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, of course you stuck with it.

Speaker 8 (16:22):
When we first started doing rock and roll, there was
these older time musicians who,by the way, we learned off a
band called the Mansion Four.
Okay, we learned our instrument, not their music, and did then
learn their music, but we weregoing and playing this rock and
roll and they were going I'm notplaying that.

(16:42):
You know the older musicians.
Well, that's where you makeyour mistake.
Stay with the program.
Play the stuff you're hearingon the radio.
Thank you, djs all over theworld.
Play what you're hearing andthis audience now is listening
to that and picking up on it andliking it.
So it pays off.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Music is ever-changing.
That's the beauty of music theuniversal language.
If you're resistant to it.
It's exactly right.

Speaker 8 (17:05):
The universal language.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Universal language, yeah, so if you're resistant to
that change, then maybe it'stime for you to get off this
journey.
That's where your journey ends.
You know what I?

Speaker 8 (17:11):
mean that's right.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
So if you're, not willing to take the journey.
That what is music?

Speaker 8 (17:25):
then see your way off playing that we loved it.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Uh, you know bob started playing.
Now we always played with anaccordion.
I also I'm not.
I'm not bsing you, I actuallyalso love the accordion.
If you can tear it up on anaccordion I'm here for it.

Speaker 8 (17:33):
Joe played the accordion, which was a heck lot
easier than carrying around a b3organ.
I would, I would think so.
We gutted it.
But still going up a fireescape boy, oh my, it's not nice
, oh my goodness we had whatthey call a Leslie which spins
the music.
We carried those up fireescapes, Whether it was icy,
winter, summer, spring, wecarried those babies around.

(17:56):
Dedication you had to be inshape.
You had to be in shape.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
And you're still in shape, I feel good, I really and
you're still in shape, don't Ifeel good?
I really do.
I'm not promising by the end ofthe evening, but right now I'm
good.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, that's awesome danny, do you have any other
questions for him, sir?
Just our typical wrap up Ifigured as much.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's why I panned off to you all right.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, so, given your experience over the years of the
music scene, if you could, youknow, give any musicians,
whether they be just startingout, 10 years into the career,
what advice would you give toany musicians today?

Speaker 8 (18:24):
Just, young musicians coming up, just anybody really.
You know, stick with it.
Don't listen to too many people, because critics are there and
they'll always be there.
Matter of fact, I use criticismas a way of getting better.
I listen to them and I'll say,okay, maybe there's a little
merit in what they said.
So listen to it.
If you feel like it's good fora change, make that change.

(18:47):
Don't stand up and say I knowbetter than you, because I'll
tell you what these kids,especially coming up.
They're not stupid and they'llbuy what you put out if you stay
with their vein where they'reat.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
That's wonderful advice.
That's priceless advice, frank,I want to say one more time
thank you for taking the time totalk to us.
Congratulations on yourinduction into the Hall of Fame
Awesome, thank you all, thankyou.

Speaker 8 (19:10):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Of course.

Speaker 8 (19:12):
Frank, congratulations.
This is great.
What a feeling.
What a feeling.
Thank you, of course.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Thank you so much for your time.
My pleasure here.
Soulville All-Stars Gentlemen,thank you so much for taking the
time to meet with us thisevening.
Yes, thank you.
This band formed all the wayback in 1967.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Can we please talk about what that journey was like
from then to now here in 2025?
Whoever wants to go first, thefloor is yours.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, I'll say something.
We started out in a garage, asa lot of bands do.
One of the members thatcouldn't make it tonight, kurt
Bruner, who will be here laterhopefully it was his house and
the boys here we all gottogether and formed our group
Record company.
Came to us, mr Bobby Fulton,okay, and from there we had a

(20:02):
couple of nice hit records.
I was a trumpet player for thegroup.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
I do like the brass.
I said this to the last person.
He was a saxophone player and Iwas going to say this is what
happens when you guys have veryimportant people.
It's Kirk, that's okay.

Speaker 9 (20:16):
This is our sax player.
Okay, this is the other guy,kirk.
We're backstage doing a podcast.
Where are you?
We're backstage doing a podcast.
Where are you?

Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yeah, we are Hurry up and get back here, we're
keeping this yeah absolutely.

Speaker 9 (20:29):
Where are you Go?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
ahead, mel.
What do you have to say?
Go ahead and do what.
Talk about it.
Talk about the group, the group.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Okay, that's cool.
I will probably be done by then, but I want to show them
together.
Okay, cool.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
It just seemed like it was made for us.
When we got silver, lost starsit, it just blended.
That's an awesome way todescribe that?

Speaker 3 (20:52):
can you elaborate that?
It just it felt like it wasmade for you guys.
That's that.
Can you elaborate on that,because that's a very awesome
way of putting that when I sayit was made for us.

Speaker 5 (21:00):
I, I came from another.
Well, I was in another groupbefore this, okay, and that
group split and I really wasn'tlooking to do much and I would
get phone calls about if Iwanted to sing that night and I
would sing.
Then I heard these guys andthey said do you want to sing?

(21:25):
Of course, and from there wekept it.
It was great, that's awesome.
It was great.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I can see like the passion, like the happiness in
your eyes as you're talkingabout it and everything that
says a lot actually.

Speaker 8 (21:39):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Because you can see people reminisce We've done this
a few times doing theinterviews but truly you can see
people reminisce We've donethis a few times doing the
interviews but truly seeing thepassion in your eyes as you were
saying it.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
I could almost feel it from you.
That's very awesome.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I wish I could still sing.
I'm pretty sure you can stillsing, I'll get out of here.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I lost my I won't say ability, but you can hear it in
my voice Trying to sing is hard.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I believe that, sir, so I let it go.
Well, we're happy to be herecelebrating you tonight, correct
?

Speaker 5 (22:10):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
For all the hard work that you put in.
Better work that's exactlyright.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Can I ask where did the name Soulville All-Stars
come from?

Speaker 9 (22:19):
Okay, so the record company With Soulville Records,
we were the Soul Brothers, right, and they came to us and said
you'd like, would you like, tomake a record?
We said, sure, would you liketo be the soulville all-stars?
And we said, why not?
No way, you can call us thegarbage cans if you're going to
give us a record so it's stillthat way, then too, okay oh, of

(22:41):
course you know.
He said you can call us anynames.
You know we've been calledworse names than this, so we'll
keep it.
No, it was soulville records,and you know, and bobby fulton
came to us and, and, and I willsay something about this band,
because I was in, uh, threeother bands before this one, and
there was, as milton said,there was a magic here at that
particular point in time it wasthere was something going on it

(23:03):
was was you could tell, youcould feel the electricity.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
you know, not plugging everything in, but you
could feel it.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
You could.
There was absolutely somethinghere.
We all got along right from theget-go.

Speaker 9 (23:17):
We all laughed a lot, usually at somebody else's
expense.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
It sounds like just a big old group of friends
getting together and doing whatthey love well, a lot of us
didn't even know each othernecessarily until we got
together, really, and then weall came from these guys now

Speaker 1 (23:33):
we came from different groups.
Like you said, soul brotherswere a solid group at the time
but some of those guys left,some of us filled in and we
became the soul of all stars andit really was a brotherhood.
I mean we were close.
Very close.
It happened right away whichwas very interesting.

Speaker 9 (23:49):
That's the thing about musical groups.
It's either there or it isn't.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I can agree with that .

Speaker 9 (23:56):
Immediately with these guys and, like I said, I'd
been in several other bands andhad a good time in those bands.
But when I hit this band, therewas something really fun going
on, Not just the fact that theysounded great, which they did-
that was just a plus, but therewas something really fun going
on with this whole group, and itjust you know.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
That's awesome.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
It worked yeah we're back to a number of entertainers
.
Like Billy Stewart.
Okay, it's just one, but BillyStewart I remember very well.
It's just one, but BillyStewart I remember very well
when he heard us.
Well, first he asked us if weknew his songs.
We knew his songs and when webacked him, he'd be singing.

(24:39):
And he goes turn around, lookat us like wow.
And then you know, when we tooka break, he came over and said
turn around and look at us likewow.
And then you know, when we tooka break, he came over and said
you guys are fantastic.
He said I'd like to take you ona road with me.
Well, we knew we couldn't dothat, but it was something.

Speaker 9 (24:59):
The other thing, milton, we were a bunch of kids,
yeah.

Speaker 8 (25:02):
And how old he says, how old when we recorded that
record Milton, and we were abunch of kids.

Speaker 9 (25:05):
Yeah, how old.
He says how old.
When we recorded that record,milton and I were 20.
Oh, my goodness, 19 or 18.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
18.
I was probably 19.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
19.
So our player was 16.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah, and the bass player was 17, and the other,
kirk, was 17.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Wow, so you guys really were just kids, we were
just kids.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
But awesome, but you guys were paving the way at the
same time.
Was that something that youguys did?
You guys, I know you guys knewthere was something special
there, but did you guys thinkback at 17, being a bunch of
kids, did you think it was goingto take you guys all the way to
something like this?

Speaker 9 (25:42):
No, Not a chance.
All of us found out about thesetwo songs that did regionally
well, not just here.
Yeah, I mean, like I, I I'maware of the fact that the
ballad was number one inatlantic city.
We got play in detroit, we gotplay in the carolinas, but then
it kind of it kind of went away.
What we didn't know was that itwas a major hit in England,

(26:06):
really Until today.

Speaker 8 (26:08):
So we're jumping on an airplane right now.

Speaker 9 (26:11):
So, the 45, the two songs that I'm going to perform
tonight.
Those 45s are selling for $250on eBay.
It's ridiculous, that'sincredible.
I didn't find out about thisuntil the year 2000.
Oh my goodness, so this wasgoing on since 1970.
Over there we had a hit record.
As Andy Warhol said, everybodyhas their 15 minutes of fame and

(26:34):
we were on the wrong damncontinent.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
That's hilarious.
So I do got to ask a little bitmore of an intricate question.
So you guys are obviously knownfor doing very good soul covers
, but also writing your ownoriginal.
How did you guys find thathappy balance and what?
What made that balanceimportant to you guys?
Was there ever a choice thatyou guys wanted to keep doing
the covers?
Was there ever a time that youguys wanted to only do original?
How did you guys find thathappy balance and how did that

(26:59):
add to your guys's success today?
You mean, as far as writingmusic.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yes, sir, you did.
You did, and the thing was atthat point, we all had an input.
Yes, the arrangement,everything you know was all of
us.

Speaker 9 (27:13):
And the other piece of that is at that point in time
you didn't have to be just anoriginal act.

Speaker 8 (27:19):
Or just a cover act.

Speaker 9 (27:20):
It was a different time than today.
We were very happy doing oursongs and doing covers.
We love doing covers, oh yeah,I mean that's what we grew up on
.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
I wish that part could come back.
Honestly, I do too.
I really do, because there's alot of bands out there that they
have very good original talent,but you could also see and you
could hear like they wouldabsolutely do a phenomenal job
covering another artist, andsometimes you just want to hear
that.
You're like I want to hear yourtake on the song.
But you're right, it is adifferent time now and it really
is a whole lot.
Either you're you make it as acover band and then maybe you

(27:50):
might be able to branch out anddo your original stuff, or you
simply make it as your originalstuff, exactly, um, and I do see
that trend, um, and it's awhole different when we were
kids.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
this is the other thing.
These guys today do not have aplace to hone their craft.
When we were kids, we couldplay three nights a weekend.
There were fire halls and teendances everywhere.
Today it's legal.
Nobody wants to take the riskof having teenagers in their
building, it's true, but wecould play three nights a week,
every weekend, and that's how webecame performers.
Teen clubs were a big thing, inthe late 60s.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
And it's all gone.

Speaker 9 (28:28):
Would you also say you would kind of correlate that
to the rise of technology?
More than anything, it'slegality.
Okay, we're a litigious societyand people want to sue you
right away.
So one kid gets in a fight andGod help us he gets hurt.
And the parents own thebuilding.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
And when you're in a metal band and you're doing a
breakdown, that's exactly whatyou want to see you want to see
people fighting in the pit.
So that's really bad for metalbands on a legal stand.
But they have insurance forthat, that's true.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
They expect that with that particular.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
But no.

Speaker 9 (28:54):
I mean, I feel bad for these guys because they
can't do what we did.
And how do you become aperformer if you can't perform?

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So that's why there's not that many performers
anymore it makes sense and itsounds like you've thought about
this a lot.
So, Danny, I'm going to let youask the question that we always
ask towards the end.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
here is Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, given your
experience over the years, whatadvice would you give to any
aspiring musicians today,whether they be very new into
their journey in music or even atenured musician?

Speaker 9 (29:34):
What would?
Be any advice you would give toany musician well, I look at
this way.
If you get the itch, scratch it, I like that.
I like it, I agree.
And and get on stage every timeyou can.
Right and hone your craft.
Learn how to be a performer,don't just be a player.
Learn how to perform, becauseI'm sorry, but original songs
are great and some of them areamazing, but you've got to sell.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
You've got to sell.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
That's a very valid point.
Well, gentlemen, I want to takethe time once again to one
congratulate all of you forbeing here.
If some of you guys don't know,Rich is actually a second
inductee as well.
Um, he's not.
He's not the only one, thereare others as well.
But congratulations to all ofyou as well for your induction
into the hall of fame.
Thank you for taking the timeto come and speak with us.

(30:12):
Thank you thank you for givingus a glimpse into your guys's
story.
It was really honestly an honorthank you, thank you, you're
very welcome.
We are here with the legendarymike Reed.
I had to give it to you.

Speaker 11 (30:25):
You did.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Come on, let's be honest.
All right, we're standing nextto a Grammy.

Speaker 11 (30:30):
Award winner.
Not even in my family am I alegend.
You're a.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Grammy Award winner.
You're a previous professionalfootball player and you're now
being inducted into the Hall ofFame for Central Pennsylvania.
What is your qualification forlegendary?
What is your standard?

Speaker 11 (30:47):
Well, let me tell you how I see it.
I spent half of my young yearsin football and half in the rest
of them in music.
Okay, and people say, wow,that's how wonderful For me.
I managed to stay one stepahead of a real job.
I was afraid of real work, youknow so so I did two things that
I love more than anything inlife, and and they haven't found

(31:10):
me out yet, but they're closingin I mean, yeah, you've even.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
You're even part of the national songwriters hall of
fame as well.
Like I mean, you have somepretty good qualifications to
you.
What would you contribute?
Your transition from footballinto a successful music career.

Speaker 11 (31:25):
Well, alan, it wasn't that much of a transition
.
I started piano lessons when Iwas six years old, grew up in
Altoona.
My dad worked in the railroad,my mom worked.
We were a typical blue-collar,altoona blue-collar family.
The first music I heard that Ireally listened to were the
hymns in church okay and somusic was there from the very

(31:48):
beginning, you know, and Ididn't play, uh, football or
organized sports.
So I got to high school, okay,um, so they were two.
Then I went to penn state and,uh, under played under joeaterno
which is awesome and I majoredin music and he loved that.
He loved his players majoringin.

(32:09):
We had physics majors,chemistry.
I was in music, he loved that.
Of course you had to get yourbutt down to practice, you know,
but you could not under Joe,you could not cut class.
There was a no-no.
So music was always kind ofthere.
I tell these kids tonightthere's a little silent self,

(32:32):
there's that part of you thatdesires to be given voice to.
They feel it and I felt it andit gets pretty relentless enough
for me to leave the NFL.
Of course, this is the 70s.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
It was still legendary.
The NFL was definitely known.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
It was but listen, I was the seventh kid.
I'm going to tell you thisrather than toot my own horn.
I was the seventh kid draftedin the first round and I signed
for $22,000.
That was what I signed for 22000 that was my, that was what I
signed for, so I missed it by afew zeros, just a bit, just a
little bit.
So it was an entirely entirelydifferent time.

(33:12):
That makes sense, though.
Yeah, 100 the big, the two bigthings.
The game is still the game,sure running, passing, tackling,
blocking.
What's different now is this isthe amazing athleticism of
these kids and the gargantuanamounts of money.
That makes sense.
Yeah, those are the two thingsthat are different about the

(33:33):
game.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Now that you bring that up, I got an off-the-cuff
question.
What would you, in yourpersonal opinion, which is
better hearing the crowd formusic, the hearing the crowd for
music or hearing the crowd forfootball?

Speaker 11 (33:46):
I think most guys on a football field would tell you
they don't really hear thatokay you don't really hear.
You're kind of when you see them.
They're in a kind of zone, yeahuh, you don't put yourself
there, it just automaticallyhappens.
Um, but there are very fewthings in life, alan, that rival
for me a room full of peopleeither laughing at something

(34:10):
you've said or crying at a songyou've written, or saying to you
afterwards that song what itmeans to them.
Um, the difference footballbreaks your body.
True music breaks your heart.
So take your pick, right that'sa really good point.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I like that.

Speaker 11 (34:27):
Yeah, that's a really good analogy you know, I
would say really the.
The big thing is it.
To your question, uh, theplayers on the field.
You don't really hear the.
You don't really hear the crowd.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
That makes sense yeah , now I gotta ask about your
music career a little bit more.
So your first two releases cameout.
You were under under columbiarecords.
Oh, when me as a singer yes,yeah, my ill-fated my uh.
Yeah, I, I go ahead, I'll letyou ask your question, you know
how did you go from you knowbeing a songwriter to right,

(34:59):
becoming a solo artist and thengoing right to columbia?

Speaker 11 (35:01):
records is I, bob uh montgomery.
Rest in peace.
A dear friend.
He ran anr there and I had justgotten a willie nelson song.
Willie had just recorded a songof mine and bob loved this
backup.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
You wrote a song for willie nelson.
Yeah, I've had that was not inthe wikipedia.
That was.
That was not in my notes eitherI actually got.

Speaker 11 (35:21):
I got one on his brand new record, the record
that he just put out.

Speaker 8 (35:25):
But, anyway.

Speaker 11 (35:26):
so Willie had recorded this and Bob called and
said and I was perfectly happy,I had two little kids,
perfectly happy being asongwriter.
And Bob Montgomery said hey, Ilike Willie's record, but I like
your demo.
Why don't you make a record?
And I went well, okay, andthat's no way to be an artist.

(35:46):
These kids today, as artists,if they're not successful
they're liable to end up inprison.
I mean, they are so committedto what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's true, dedication is an understatement, yeah.

Speaker 11 (36:01):
They're one-dimensionally focused, that
it's very difficult to haveanything else in your life.
True, other than that I didn'tdo that.
And I was older, I was in myforties.
That was no time to startsinging, um, but I managed to
have a hit uh song called walkon faith, and the next thing I
I'm in a bus with a bay full oft-shirts with my picture on them

(36:23):
, and I was out on the road andfinally, it just didn't make a
lot of sense, you know.
So I said I'm going to go backto writing.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Wow, I can't.
I can't really call, like offthe top of my head, a bunch of
people that got the opportunityand I mean this in the most
respectful way.
They got to be the star, theygot to be the one Like this is
the one the record wanted.
You were on the bus, they hadyour picture on the T-shirt and
you were like you know what?
That's not for me, like I'mmore comfortable behind the

(36:53):
scenes, I'm more comfortablewriting the songs.

Speaker 11 (36:55):
I love.
Let me tell you, alan, one ofthe sweetest things in the world
.
I had a song out.
It was an old country song onRonnie Millsap and I was at the
Y and I worked out and Ishowered and two lockers over I
hear, as I'm getting dressed Ihear a guy singing a song of

(37:15):
mine.
He's just a guy that's there towork out, right, but he's heard
this song on the radio and heloves it enough to know it and
he's singing it out loud and hehas no idea that the guy that
wrote it is right next to himshower rose over.
That was the sweetest moment.
I just let it go.
I didn't go up and say hey, youknow no it's that, those quiet

(37:37):
moments, if you want to giveyour life to being a star, that
requires a certain kind ofperson.
Sure, that really requiresthere can't be a lot else.
And then eventually, when yougo through that window of
popularity, you got to reclaimsome kind of life, and that can

(37:58):
be tough, absolutely.
So these kids that are starstoday, they get my vote and they
are committed like you wouldn'tbelieve, and so I really didn't
have that.
I committed that way to writing, but performing and being in
front of people, no, not so muchyou.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
It's funny, you, you have your heart like, kind of
you're always thinking of, like,like the kids and like how all
of that goes, and it's kind ofit's on par, because you do a
lot of philotherapy,philanthropic, um, philanthropic
, philanthropic, philanthropy.
Yeah, hey guys, words are hardsometimes, but yeah, you do a
lot of philanthropy, um, and Ifeel like that kind of makes

(38:38):
sense.
But how, what made you decideto give back so much?
What made you to get?
What made you decide to get soinvolved with so many different
things?

Speaker 11 (38:44):
oh listen, I'll tell you, alan, there's nothing as
self.
I say to young writers theperson you're going to have to
spend the most time with isyourself.
It's a self-absorbing.
It's not narcissistic, but itrequires a level of
self-absorption, and that getstiring and wearying sometimes.

(39:05):
That makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.
And so you just want to say youknow, if I can do a fundraiser
that raises some money for somepoor child or some poor person,
it's not that I'm a good.
Don't give me too much credit.
It's just a reflection of thefact that sometimes you get sick
of just you.
Yeah, you know and you want toit just makes you feel better a

(39:29):
little bit to do something youthink will benefit somebody else
you, you, you want to create abigger picture like you're, like
.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
I've been living in this picture.
It's time to think bigger andoutside my own picture well,
look, I, my wife, will tell youyou.

Speaker 11 (39:41):
You know, I mean I've been with Susie, we've been
together.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
50 years Congratulations.

Speaker 11 (39:47):
Well, you know, look , I overheard.
Let me tell you, I overheardher on the phone the other day
saying I've been with Mike 50years.
Seems like 15 minutesUnderwater.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yes, Wow, I was like.

Speaker 11 (40:03):
I was touched emotionally and then shock and
then no, then I then realityyeah, it's true reality yeah,
yeah, but she, she will, youknow, she has, she knows where
the.
I don't know if you guys aremarried or not, but eventually
they find out where the bodiesare buried that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
That makes sense, makes sense.
Yeah, there's no yeah, well,danny, I'm going to let you wrap
this one up.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Yeah, so I guess our last question for you would be
it's something we like to ask alot of people is given your
experience, what advice wouldyou give to any musician,
whether they be an aspiring,brand new musician or even a
tenured musician?
What would be your advice fromyour experience?

Speaker 11 (40:40):
even a tenured musician.
What would be your advice?
From your experience, danny, Iwould say, without giving it
this moment thinking, I wouldtell them that the job of the
creator, I think, is to lovethis world and to lean into this
world, as difficult as it is,even things that wound you,

(41:04):
things that hurt you, because ifyou're going to make a life in
music, it's going to be joy,it's going to be exhilaration,
it's going to be shatteringheartbreak and it's going to be
crushing disappointment.
Yeah, and the littleaffirmations you get here and
there are like little waterstops on a long marathon.

(41:25):
You need them, they refresh you, but what they implore you to
do is to keep going, keep going.
So I would say to any musician,any writer lean into it, with
all the difficulty, thechallenges.
Lean into it, you know, withall the difficulty, the
challenges, because thosesupreme moments when you connect

(41:46):
with not only your instrument,with yourself, with a lyric,
with an audience, are things youhave to experience.
You cannot explain what theyare.
That is some of the best adviceTake the good with the bad.
Lean in with a relentlesscuriosity, Alan that's what I

(42:06):
say Even the things that youdon't agree with.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, that's beautiful.
Yeah, thank you so much forthat.
I think that's great advice andwe thank you so much for your
time.
No, no no.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm just holding back tears right now, you know we've
got to end this, so nobody seesme cry.
Let him go, buddy.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Well, mike, I just want to say once again
congratulations on yourinduction and, as a previous
Bengals player, go Birds.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Mike, thank you so much.

Speaker 11 (42:33):
And go.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Penn State.
I'll stay on your team there.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
I'll go with that one too.
I'll go with that one too, youbetter hope the Bengals don't
get an offensive line.
I was going to say You're notwrong, but this is a
conversation for another.

Speaker 11 (42:43):
They spend all that money and they still don't have
an offensive line.
But they got Joe Burrow andJamar Chase.
But, burrow, I'm telling you,you can't have a quarterback,
get hit that much.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Hey, cincinnati, you know who to call Guys here he's
telling you.

Speaker 11 (42:58):
Sometimes they play so badly.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I think maybe they do need a 77-year-old guy, you
could at least be an offensivecoordinator, you know?

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Tell them what they're doing wrong.
There you go.
Thank you again, Mike.
Appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Nice talking to you guys, thank you.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
And once again we are backstage at the Central
Pennsylvania Music Awards.
This time we have AugustBurns-Red.
I would be willing to say locallegends.
That's maybe my opinion.
I don't know if you guys sharethe sentiment, but I definitely
think so we do.
Yes, Absolutely right.

Speaker 10 (43:33):
Finally someone recognizes we are local legends.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
But seriously, what's going through your guys' head
tonight?
That's so weird saying that.
I didn't like that.

Speaker 10 (43:44):
It sounded different in my head.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
It sounded way cooler in my head.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
I don't know if you can actually be a legend if you
consider yourself a legend.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I don't think so.
You just have to be reallynarcissistic.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
Joe Montana's not like I'm a legend.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
But no, you guys are being inducted in the central
pennsylvania music hall of fame.
What is that like for you guys,knowing where you guys started
your guys's entire journey?
And like I've said before, Imean you guys are recognized I
would say pretty worldwide as avery influential metal band for
many other acts as well.
So what are your thoughts goingthrough your head tonight?

Speaker 10 (44:21):
this one's cool.
This one's really cool.
We're in pennsylvania, like wedrive by this theater.
We've started the band practice, played a ton of shows within
30 miles of here and it's justnuts that we don't have to go to
like los angeles for thegrammys to be acknowledged.
We're right here in ourbackyard, basically like it's
very, very cool and I don'tthink it's really.

(44:43):
Uh, it's significant enough thatit hasn't really hit home with
me because I'm home right sowhen I go home the night I lay
in bed it's like, wow, that wasreally cool, like I always
dreamed, dreamt about playingmusic and we were just
acknowledged by the american, bya you know an organization, and
it's 60 year at the Americanmusic theater.
Like there's so many differentpieces of the puzzle that are

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really, really cool and I'm I'mvery humbled and very stoked to
be here tonight.
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Well, I'm stoked to have you here as well.
I don't know if you had anycomments on that one.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Or did he take the words he got it?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
He got it.
He got it, true of it, huh.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Did you guys ever think I mean you know, back when
this band first formed orshortly after?
I mean, I know the first song Iever heard from you guys was
Truth of a Liar my older brothercame and was like dude, you
gotta check this out.
And it was sick.
And me back then I knowpersonally my experience I would
have never thought there wouldbe a Central Pennsylvania Music
Hall of Fame and then you guysbeing inducted to it.

(45:40):
Is this something that's kindof surreal to you guys having
that thought Like wow, the musicscene has really changed and
it's awesome to be a part ofthat.

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Right, yeah, I mean you don't really think about
what's around you and wherepeople come from that create
music.
You don't know who's in yourarea.
As far as being part of thiscommunity, um, it's cool to get
recognized, uh, in your hometown, like Matt was saying.
I mean, it's, it's cool for us,it's cool for our families.
Like you know, everyone's auntsand uncles get to see you in

(46:08):
the newspaper and they all likethat.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
They really like that .

Speaker 7 (46:14):
But yeah, I mean it's cool and, like I said, it's
neat to see people getrecognized and I'm like oh
they're from the area.
Oh, they're from the area.
I didn't even know that thatkind of thing.
It's neat.

Speaker 10 (46:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Okay, sorry, I thought you were saying
something.
No, do you have something?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
I was commenting on it.
I remember being the guy thatwas in a band and you meet the
girlfriend and the parents andthey're like what do you do?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I'm like I do this, but I'm also in a band.
But you guys get to be the onesthat are like, oh yeah, I play
music.
And they're like no idea, andthey're like, oh, that's cute.
I'm like I tour the world.
I don't just dabble, I do this.
Yeah, I do this.
I'm about I am this.
I feel like that's got to besuch a satisfying feeling if

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you've ever been able to havethat conversation with people.

Speaker 7 (47:05):
Well, that's the thing it happens every time you
meet someone.
You're like what do you do fora living?
I play music, and it alwaysgoes deeper, it never stops
there.
They're always like elaborate.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Do I have to?
Okay, okay, I'm listening, I'mlistening.

Speaker 7 (47:26):
It never stops there because they're like are you
broke?
You can't just say I'm aplumber.
It's like okay, Figure that oneout.
People know what you do.
You're doing fine.
Okay, that's fine, I'm amusician?

Speaker 10 (47:35):
At what level?

Speaker 7 (47:36):
We're in the merchandiser.

Speaker 10 (47:38):
okay Right, we're talking like amateur.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
You're like, oh, like multi-time world touring.
It's like okay, so you're notbroke.
And it's like sure, whateverworks for you, man Right,
Whatever works for you.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Yeah, no.

Speaker 10 (47:54):
I mean with this band.
The weird thing is for ustouring is how we create revenue
right, so we can pay off ourmortgages right, so we can live
our lives, but and we've beendoing that for years but the
thing that people seem torecognize is like oh, wow,
you're in the paper right orlike yeah like oh my gosh, you
were nominated for a grammywhich has no bearing on our

(48:15):
success yeah or like our future.
It's just like a very cool thingthat people care about and so
do I.
I think it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Especially like the Grammy, and also a check for
$2.5 million Exactly.

Speaker 10 (48:26):
You're going to spend money actually getting
there.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
I had this great uncle who was a pretty wealthy
guy.
He made money in finance.
He was just like we gotnominated for a Grammy.
He's just like this is great,what's the prize?
And I'm like there isn't one.
And he's like, oh, he was sojust like well, what's the point
?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
He was like well, thanks, I was excited, I think.
But now.

Speaker 7 (48:49):
I don't know if I am.
He was so defeated, he was justlike oh, that was just like the
end.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
yeah, I don't, I don't know if I'm right.
But I'm pretty sure the prizeis a gram I don't know if that
like quantifies to anything inyour life.

Speaker 7 (49:05):
Well, and look, but like it's funny because
literally usually if you win aprize at like the highest level
of your or you know for a prizeat the highest level of whatever
you're doing, yeah you do getsomething like yeah, you know
the athletes, if they get abronze medal they get a bunch of
money.

Speaker 10 (49:21):
It's not just the bronze trophy.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Right.

Speaker 10 (49:24):
Well, to take it a step further, to be nominated
for a Grammy is an award.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It was great You're jumping through my questions,
but it's perfect because it'sgoing on.

Speaker 10 (49:33):
You didn't even win it, but it's like
congratulations but you gotrecognized enough to be even
contending for that you did acool medal.
I get it.
It's just kind of a funny thingto it's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
It's like the music industry looks at it, like they
look at musicians, and they'relike, hey, your prize is.
You didn't win, but you wererecognized enough to keep doing
the thing that you love forever.

Speaker 9 (50:00):
And you're like, I'm sure, as Matt, he's like you do
realize how tiring a 40-minuteset is on drums playing my music
.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
Right Muscle cramps are just like a daily thing for
me, right, if I could do thatabout 20 times less per year,
that'd be great.
You could just give me a prize,maybe I could compensate.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I would just love to hold something.
Can you give me somethingsubstantial for me to hold?
Yeah, I get that.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Was it kind of wild being nominated for a Grammy?
Thinking back to 2005, it'slike wow, wait, Metal is now a
Grammy scenario.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
Was that kind of a surreal moment when you guys
were nominated for you Very muchso, because while there was a
metal category, it wasn't forbands like us, it was like kiss
yeah, and like metallica andlike bands like that, like the
foo fighters, won best metalband the one year and I remember
dave grohl was just like thankyou, but we're not a metal like
that was literally I love davegrohl.

(50:49):
That was literally his responsehe's awesome and so, like I,
yeah it was really cool because,like I think, for like
metalcore genre, we were one ofthe first to like actually get
nominated for a Grammy and itreally like that was really cool
.
And then it you know from afterus you started getting way more
metalcore bands that startedgetting nominated for Grammys.
I'm like this is sick.
And I remember like we got atext from our manager at the

(51:11):
time who was likecongratulations, guys.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
You've been nominated for a grammy.

Speaker 10 (51:23):
That came overnight and we were like huh, it's like
it's one of those things whereyou like wake up, like, and
you're like kind of checking,you're like wait, hold on.
No, it was.
It was dude.
I had like 20, like 25 textmessages and I remember thinking
in my bunk I'm like, all right,the first text message might be
like a random one-off but thesecond text message is the first
one.
That's what's going on right soit's like first message
congratulations.
Okay, it's a good thing, yep.
Second thing is like thegrammys.
I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah oh,this is really happening.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
You go through all of them.

Speaker 10 (51:45):
It's like, okay, this is really happening my, my
cousin is the one that told meabout it yeah, the first person
I found out about was my cousin,it was a complete surprise.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
You, you didn't know, it was even the possibility
that was happening.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
We had no idea.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
No idea, you found out after you were already known
, which was so cool.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
Yeah, that was the best part, that was so cool.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
It was like everyone conspired to keep a secret.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
Everyone who worked with us was just like shut up
the last people that should knowis that it's like okay, yeah, I
mean I think Jake was like wait, a Grammy, like a real Grammy.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
Is this like for real , though Not a chocolate one.
It's like the diet.

Speaker 7 (52:22):
Grammys you know, the Grammys blow the Grammys, not a
chocolate.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
So one of the things I want to ask.
I mean, you guys have this isnot something new to you guys.
You guys have done this isprobably your what umpteenth
interview that you've ever done.
I'm sure you've been asked alot of the same questions.
But standing here today, beinginducted into the Hall of Fame,
knowing that you've beennominated for a Grammy, knowing
that you guys are still grinding, you guys are still doing this
thing.
What is the piece of advicethat you can give to the younger

(52:48):
generation, like whetherthey're young musicians, tenured
musicians?
What can you tell them?
Like, what piece of advice canyou give them?

Speaker 10 (52:59):
what can you tell them, like, what piece of advice
can you give them?
Yeah, I would say three things.

Speaker 8 (53:01):
So talent opportunity and passion, so for me when I
started.

Speaker 10 (53:04):
I wasn't good at it.
I was not good at playing drums, so the talent was very low
which is crazy the opportunity.
Thank you the opportunity theopportunity was pretty low.
It's like maybe we can play theamerican legion.
The passion was through theroof right, and so it's like man
.
If man, if you can acknowledgewhere you are and you can get
passion high, the other thingsmight fall in line.

(53:24):
They might not Right, but atleast you love it.
Right and we loved it, dude.
This is what we wanted to dowith our lives and we weren't
good at it and we didn't reallyhave opportunity.
We didn't have talent, but wehad tons of passion.
So if you have that element, Ithink it's enough to say don't
quit your day job, but do it,especially if you're young.

(53:44):
Take a bunch of risk, puteverything into it, have fun.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Before you have a family and have to have a
mortgage to pay for everything.
I have a baby at home.

Speaker 10 (53:52):
I'm tired, brent's tired.

Speaker 7 (54:01):
I'm thinking about my little baby girl right now and
I'm at an award show 30 minutesaway Like it's.
It's cool how life changes.
I mean the biggest thing islike drive and initiative
there's.
You can look at the internet.
There's a million people in theinternet who are more talented
than you.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Like that's just how it is.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
So, like, what's what bumps you to that next level?
And it a lot of it isinitiative and a lot of it is
doing your own thing, like Iwatch, like there's so many
guitar players online andthey're all just making the same
videos they're all doing thesame thing and it's like, okay,
what, what's gonna make youstand out?
from the pack and it's just.
It's a lot of that and, likematt was saying, like we didn't

(54:27):
have a ton of opportunity, um,you know, from a small town, um
trying to play local shows, webooked our own shows, things
like that.
And Take Risk was a big one forus.
So we sent out demos and one ofthe only people who replied was
South State Records and theywere like if you guys have any
chance of getting signed, youneed to drive out to Seattle and

(54:49):
play a show for us so we canwatch you play live.
And we were just like oh man,it was right in the middle of
everyone's college semester andwe're just like oh man, it was
right in the middle ofeveryone's college semester,
right, and we're just like okay.
And so we thought about it for alittle while.
Everyone talked to theirparents and everyone's like, all
right, let's go, we're going togo, we're going to do it.
And so we sent the email.
We're like, all right, man,we're coming out, we're going to
play.
And he was like, wow, that's acrazy plot twist.

(55:22):
I never knew that.
Yeah, smart, and so they'rejust like, we just wanted to see
that you were serious.
And so, yeah, that was that.
And it was just showing thedrive and the passion and
wanting to do it and wanting towork really hard at it.
Absolutely, like I said,there's so many talented people
out there, but it's like are yougonna honestly push your talent
the most?
I guess yeah, and that's that'sthe biggest thing yeah, you
really to honestly push yourtalent the most, I guess, and
that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 10 (55:39):
Yeah, you really have to be your own boss.
It's like we're home for threeor four months and you could do
very little if you wanted to,but the fear of like crap I
don't want to look like an idioton the next tour drives you and
then you say I'm going to keepdoing this because I care about
it, I love this, you need tohave that you can't just be

(55:59):
awesome at something by sittingaround?

Speaker 7 (56:02):
and even if you are awesome, you can lose it so
quick.
You can just play songs poorly,like yeah yeah, like I
guarantee like everyone's athome, playing songs constantly,
like if you're not gonnapractice it and so make sure
you're good to go every time,then yeah, I will say too, in
case no one has ever said it toyou or if you've ever had the
opportunity to hear it.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
But as a fan personally, as someone that's
seen you guys multiple times and, as someone that communicates
with other fans as well, I thinksomething else you guys could
also probably contribute to yoursuccess is the humbleness,
because I have never had a badexperience with you guys.
Every time I've ever gotten thechance to meet you, or even just
the way you guys talk to thefans, you guys are always so
humble and grounded and justrespectful to your fans and

(56:43):
everyone that I know that is afan of you that has ever had an
interaction with you says theexact same thing about you guys,
and I really and I'm not tryingto put you guys on a pedestal,
but I really can't think ofanother band that has that much
consistency on something likethat, and I do think that could
also contribute to some of yourguys' success, because I think
the fans you guys make the fanswant to root for you as well.

(57:04):
Not only do they just like yourmusic, but they're like why
would we not want these peopleto succeed?
Because you guys are just.
You treat everyone just likethey're a person.
You give them the exact samerespect that you guys would
expect and it's not always seenwith every other artist out
there.

Speaker 10 (57:18):
Thank you very much for saying that.
We have a great team.
We have a great crew.
All the guys in the band areawesome.
We're all different.
We all have our own interestsin some ways.
I mean we have our differences,but there are some common
denominators that are reallyimportant things.
I don't know how it happened.
Small Town, Mannheim.
We just ran into each other.
It was so organic and you can'tpick people that work in a way

(57:42):
like we do, just randomly andsomehow, like I believe in God,
I believe this thing is reallymeant to be Absolutely.
And so you look at that and yousay well, I can't take that
much credit for it.

Speaker 5 (57:51):
I mean I work my butt off.

Speaker 7 (57:53):
We all do, but you have to be humble because it's
it's bigger than just you andthe other guys in your band and,
like you, look at the peopleand like their fans, and a lot
of them have been with us forthe for a really long time, yeah
, and it's also like years theseare the people who pay your
bills and keep you going so like.
If you're not going to be niceto them, who the heck are you
gonna be?

Speaker 3 (58:11):
nice to like, it's just like a valid point.

Speaker 7 (58:14):
it's one I mean.
Cut me a break, like withouttheir support you don't have a
job, so like it's.
And you build relationshipsover time and like it was just
kind of that.
And I think when we came outlike and even now, like the band
has always appeared and lookedvery approachable, like we
dressed in regular clothes, wedidn't look like a bunch of
metalheads look like a bunch ofmetal heads, like we weren't

(58:35):
scary, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
So, like it's true, and he's like, so I mean, like
you're like, you're like I justcame home from like taking care
of the pigs or whatever, andhe's like we're in a scene, I'm
like, ah, okay, he's like one ofthe best drummers like in the
scene, Like always done that,and I think like just like

(59:04):
looking like regular humanbeings can really that helps a
lot.
You know, I believe that, yeah,yeah, I gotta ask that too.
One more thing um, with that,is that ever like?
Has that ever like been uh likehard to do at times?
Like I want to say that in aspecific way.
Like obviously you want to benice to your fans, everything
like there are obviously timeswhere you guys are just
exhausted you got and you'relike I'm sure there's gotta been
times where you're like I'mpushing through this right now.
How do you guys manage self-carelike on the road, like how do

(59:24):
you guys do that?

Speaker 7 (59:25):
I mean you gotta take you gotta take the time to be
private and like have that.
Like we're like after the show.
It's like we don't like havingtons of people in the dressing
room and because there are thosemoments where, like you have a
bad show and the last thing youwant is someone coming in the
dressing room that like isn't inthe band, you're just like,
just get out of here, please,because we got to have a

(59:46):
conversation, like it's justlike you know, things like that.
And then there are just momentswhere it's like I'm really
tired, I don't want to do thisright now, but like that's why
for us, like, if we're doing ameet and greet, we put it before
the show.
There's a lot of bands who havethem after the show and I'm
like, and I'm like you guys arecrazy, like why would?

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
you do that to yourself.

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
That's true, you're not gonna be, like you're

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
not gonna be in a good position you're gonna be.
We like to do before the showeveryone's awake, everyone's
fresh, everyone's ready to rollyeah, and so like we do them
then and like that's on purpose.
Um, but I remember one time Iforget if it was you and I who
did it we did this southeastasia trip.
That was ridiculous I love theemphasis on it and and it wasn't

(01:00:28):
ridiculous and like it was justreal.
It was planned to like boomboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, like it was fly every day,play a show every day.
Fly every day, play a showevery day so we would like
literally play the show.
It would end at 11, 11, 30 andwe have to leave for the airport
at 3 am, and it was every daylike that and so, and then one

(01:00:49):
day we're going into kualalumpur, malaysia, and we land oh
, yeah, this guy hands us handsus a sheet.
It was our schedule for gonna,it was going to be.
And our tour manager just looksat the sheet and he goes when
do we sleep when we're here?
And the guy's, just like you,can tell that that was not part
of the schedule.

(01:01:10):
You're going to come straightoff the plane right to the venue
.
Our crew is setting up gear.
They're like you guys can goback to the hotel.
We're like, great, we show upto the hotel and they're like,
oh wait, we forgot, we have thisinterview planned for you.
And we're like, okay, like fine, and so, like I think matt and
I went and did the interview andthe other guys went up to bed
and the interview was.

(01:01:31):
We literally walked into aconference room and it was like
imagine like an nfl interviewwhere there was reporters lining
the walls dude I justremembered that I shut that
out of my brain the whole wayaround.

Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
He's like I don't want to unbox and matt and I
walk in.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
We're both just like, oh like.
This is not an interview, thisis like an ambush it was like
national headlines we're justlike oh, no, so yeah, I mean,
that was one of those times justlike, all right, let's go like
do the interview like get out ofhere and I don't think.
And then like yeah, no oneslept.
We had to go play that show andit was like a million degrees

(01:02:09):
out and it was outside and therewere probably like 10 000
people there.

Speaker 10 (01:02:13):
It was huge it was like a festival and you're on
your worst case.
You're like what's up everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
We're from America.
I'm super tired.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Let's do this that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
With that, I got one final question then and then
we'll wrap this up.

Speaker 8 (01:02:32):
It is the final question.
I don't know if anyone's everasked it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I'm sure there's got to be one.
What's the number one show thathas stuck out to you guys out
of your entire career?

Speaker 7 (01:02:42):
It's hard to say Christmas Burns Red.
This year was really sick itwas the one year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I couldn't make it.
I was really upset.

Speaker 10 (01:02:50):
I was sad I couldn't make it.
I know with Devil Wears Prada,we'll do it again.
That, and it was like we'll doit again.

Speaker 7 (01:02:55):
That was probably the best show of our career.
Both of them were so sick.

Speaker 10 (01:03:01):
Dude, but the lead up was not I got really sick.

Speaker 8 (01:03:08):
Matt couldn't practice the whole week.
I missed the entire week ofrehearsals we had fire.

Speaker 10 (01:03:11):
We had everything and I'm sitting up at my house
five minutes away.
We played we had.

Speaker 7 (01:03:16):
So we can record every single show with our
soundboard.
So we went in and we justpulled out match drums from
previous shows and we put themall in our in-ears so that way
when we were rehearsing we atleast heard drums okay, he
wasn't there that's gotta

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
be, like for the person that's listening.
They're like this breakdown isreally missing something.

Speaker 7 (01:03:38):
I mean, luckily there's no one there, Luckily
it's just us.
No, it's just us.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
But I'm sitting there thinking crap.

Speaker 10 (01:03:43):
I'm about to play for like 5,000 fans from all
over the country.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:03:48):
And there's fire cues.
I'm going to be as surprised asour fans where they are.

Speaker 8 (01:03:52):
Oh God, okay, that's awesome.
Okay, plus, I lost energy andweight.
I couldn't practice that.

Speaker 10 (01:03:58):
I practiced as much as I could, but, man, you just
got to go into that like allright here we go I have to hold
this band together.
That's my only job.
The glue.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
I have to be the glue , that's true.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
I remember walking off stage after show two I think
we had the encore yet andDustin goes dude, you're killing
it yeah you didn't play with usat all, and I was a little
nervous.
And then he goes.
We're not quite done, though,so we still have the encore, so
I don't want to jinx it rightand I went back up.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
I'm like oh crap like now I'm nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
No, I don't want to mess up.

Speaker 7 (01:04:33):
That's hilarious, hilarious.
The encore is long, there'slike six songs yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
What.

Speaker 7 (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Six song encore Did.

Speaker 7 (01:04:41):
I hear that right.
Yeah, there's a lot ofChristmas stuff in there, yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:04:43):
That's true.
Yeah, like Carol the Bells,yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Wow, I'm so sad I missed this year.

Speaker 10 (01:04:52):
I was like I just couldn't eclectic life too
Military, and then this I try.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
That's what it's all about.
It's exactly right.
You gotta have variety, yougotta spice it up Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
Sometimes it's spice you up in like Indian Town Gap.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
I do go up there all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
actually, we can talk more about this off camera
though let's talk about theplanes that fly over my house.

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
Why do we have?
We have to stop recording.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
I would like you to call the White House right now,
trump, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:05:19):
Can you guys stop flying over my house?
It's loud, that would be reallynice.
Yeah, a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
But, gentlemen, yes.
Congratulations on yourinduction.
Thank you, absolutely welldeserved.
Appreciate that.
Thank you, you're very welcomeand thank you for taking the
time to speak with us.

Speaker 10 (01:05:33):
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having us.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Till next time, guys See ya.

Speaker 5 (01:05:38):
Later.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Well, that's another special episode of the Central
Pennsylvania Music Podcast.
Huge thanks to all of ourguests that took some time to
meet with us.
It was an awesome time gettingto meet with those inductees.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
And we also want to give a special thanks to the
American Music Theater here inLancaster for hosting the event
and allowing us to be backstageand bring all this great content
to you guys.
Until next time you.