Shabbath July 05 2025

Shabbath with Cepher Publishing

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, Good morning, Shabbat Shalom, Doctor P Shabbat
Shalom. Shabbat Shalom.
Shabbat Shalom. Shabbat Shalom, guys, good
morning to you, Shabbat Shalom. Well, I am definitely coming to

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you from a undisclosed location today as we're actually down in
Homer instead of being somewhereelse.
And we came down with the familyand unbelievable, we've had
absolutely unbelievable weather here at Homer, IE it's not
raining, which for us is a big change of pace.

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And so it's been quite beautifulhere.
Got the grandkids with us. And so it's nice and great
group. Watch that tide there at Homer.
It's a bad one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The tide here gets pretty doublewhen you're round the corner.
You get into in Catchemack Bay. Yeah.
Catchemack Bay. Yep.
That's where we are, Catchemack Bay.

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And we're actually, we're quite a ways out East End Road now.
Is that Mark Rosenbaum? I say, hey, Mark.
Hey, Steven, how you doing? Hey, where, where where you be?
Where are you? I'm in.
I'm in that Dolores Co OK. All right.
Still in two weeks, though. OK, all right, well, we'll be

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looking for you. Just watch for the traffic when
you hit. I'll be showing up when you when
you hit the parks. I mean, you're going to hit
traffic, I'm telling you. Of course, it'll be nothing
compared to what you have in theStates.
But anyway, pretty significant once you get here, you know,
especially if you're driving because you won't have any
traffic for, you know, about 2500 miles and then all of a
sudden you'll get traffic, right.

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But anyway, anyway, I want to welcome everybody to the
Shabbat, to this morning Shabbat.
And you know, may the peace thatsurpasses understanding be with
all of us here today. I'm not quite sure what I'm
going to deal with today. I think we're going to deal
with, continue on with the Book of Jubilees and in particular

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the tollboat of Noah, which I think is a very good discussion
point. And I think it's a discussion
point that is worthy of our timehere this morning and not for
purposes of casting stones, but for purposes of understanding.
Now, Eileen to Stefanos with us today.

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And Eileen, I want to, I want towelcome you this morning.
You sent me a very interesting e-mail.
And I mean, I mean, what can yousay?
I, you know, I mean, when, when you see that kind of research,
it's absolutely, excuse me, it'sabsolutely shocking, yes.
Yes. Because of course, we have been

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looking at many things, and particularly in terms of
geography, excuse me. And some of that discussion is
well tempered by the book of Jasher.
A point was made, I think it waslast week, when we were talking

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about a Moshe and the fact that he couldn't speak well.
And Alan Wilson and Byron Blackett, 2 very noted
historians in the United Kingdom, namely in Wales.
Both of them are now deceased bythe way.

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But they had, Alan Wilson had discovered a means of
understanding Egyptian hieroglyphics.
And the means was to take the Welsh language, which is called
the Kumrich, and to apply those words to describe the

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hieroglyph. And then from there take the 1st
letter of that word and use it to spell out the word.
And they were able to decipher. For instance, there's a thing
what's called a cartouche. And a cartouche, when you see
them in Hebrew, they're up, they're like a circular box.

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And inside you'll have a group of hieroglyphs.
And so one of the things that Ross pointed out is that there's
a bird at the beginning of the hieroglyph and at the end of the
hieroglyph, and it either pointsto the left or it points to the
right. And that tells you how you read
the hieroglyph. So in the Egyptian, you read
both right and left depending onhow the bird points.

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And so then after that, then youcould look at each one of the
glyphs and they would assign a Welsh name to it, then pull out
the letter and they were able todecipher the cartouche of
Alexander the Great, the Cartouche of Cleopatra, and some
other names. And so when they did, they
began. So Alan Wilson began to decipher

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the black obelisk, which is at the British Museum in Trafalgar
Square. And he found out some
interesting information. And one of the things he
discovered was that the that he believes that the tomb of
Amenhotep. The second is in fact the tomb
of Moshe. And you might recall that Jude

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talks about in the Book of Jude that Satan disputed over the
body of Moshe. And this is of course something
that Jude is going to tell us. We have never been able to find
the prior citation for that statement that Satan disputed
over the body of Moshe. But the Alan Wilson's discovery,

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a lot went. Then he went to the tomb of Aman
Hotep the Second and started looking through the hieroglyphs
on that and discovered the storyof Moshe, that Moshe had, in
fact, a burn wound on the side of his mouth to caution, to
speak kind of like this. Sherry Booker, you know, this

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one he was telling. Yeah, I don't speak.
Well, that's because she talked like this, you know?
Right. Well, Book of Jasher details how
that happened, that he in fact had a hot coal put in his mouth.
Yeah, anyway, he had a hot coal put in his mouth that resulted

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in him obtaining this burn wound.
Right. Really quite interesting that
that would be the case. And so at any rate, this gives
us an idea as well. I'll just say just a minute
gives you an idea that the book of Jazz, you may be a lot more

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dispositive than what people want to admit.
In other words, it may contain ahistorical record that is in
fact the strongest historical record we have, period.
Hang on, guys, just a second. Let me just do something here

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real quick, OK? You can have at least I'll give
you a little bit of room there. OK.
So anyway, so when you look at the idea of the facts and
jashers, so Eileen came upon something and Eileen, before you
get to it, let me just pray for us for a second, OK?
So because we're going to be kind of crossing into some

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territory here that's going to be could be revelatory, could be
controversial. And I want to make sure that we
have a little bit of prayer cover on that if if possible.
OK, so but we can tell you, I want to say the word al katoshi
kavya shama tahili nuya, hear our prayers, Yas.
We lift them to you this morningthat you might hear us, you in

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our in our quietness and in our words.
To lift these words to you and to submit this time to you.
Light our words and bless our words and.
Make. Sure that we have that we would
be in inside of your will in ourin our speech today.
No inaccuracies. Help us all be inside your

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world, Father. Yeah.
Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
And so, Father, bless this time together among our group.
Bless our time. Bring us Shalom and bring us
understanding as you see fit. Hallelujah.
In the name of yahusha. Hallelujah.
Amen. Amen.
Amen. OK.
Hallelujah. OK brothers and sisters.
Hallelujah. All right, So, so Eileen, you've

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been working diligently on the lexicon and our some our
sapphire numbers to gain a determination as to the real
truth behind some of these wordsbecause we know that Strong's
has not been this positive in giving us correct information.

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Often times you can see where Strong's will be very scant in
its delivery in terms of, you know, giving us like the name of
five Israelites or a place in Israel, this kind of thing,
right? Instead of giving this any
information. So just to set a little bit of a
background when we talk about a David and his discovery of where

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he's going to put the city of David, the the true name of the
Jerusalem was actually Yebu Shalom, Yebu Shalom, the peace
of the Jebusites. You might recall that when the
land was divided by Joshua between the tribes, that one

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portion of the of the land grantwas given to the House of
Benjamin. And this land grant that was
given to Benjamin included this bit of land.
But in the middle of this land was the Jebusite or the Yebu
Seam fortress that was not givento Benjamin.
And this fortress, when you readthe story of Yoav, the the

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militant mercenary that worked for David, quite a brutal guy.
He's the one that ended up killing Abby Shalom, David's
son, when Abby Shalom got his hair caught in a tree and he's
hanging by his hair in the tree and he's screaming at Joab.
You know, Joab helped me down. And, you know, I was like,

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didn't you just try to overthrowthe king in a treasonous
revolution? Yeah, I'm not going to help you
down. And so Yoab, while ABI Shalom is
hanging from the tree by his hair, he throws 2 Spears through
him and kills him. David never forgave him for
that, by the way, even though his son was trying to kill him,

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trying to kill David. But nonetheless, David and Yoav
would come upon the Jebusite fortress and they didn't even
bother to defend it. It's like we're impregnable.
You can't do a thing. You're forget it's just forget
it. You're not coming in here.
And they instead found a spring that went underneath the walls.

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And Joab came through the springwith the troops and invaded from
inside. Now, this story is a long told
story. This supposedly also details the
way Babylon fell to Cyrus the Great and so on and so forth.
But nonetheless, this whole ideathat David is going to leave
Hebron, which is where, you know, Hebron is supposed to be

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associated with Beersheba, the well of seven oaths, right?
Sheba is 7 oaths and that this is supposed to be the well of
seven oaths. And David would leave that
fortress and would go and take the Jebusite fortress.
They would conquer it from the inside out and this would become

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the city of David, also called Yebu Shalom or Jerusalem.
And now, Eileen, tell us about your discoveries and what you,
what you've learned, if you would.
OK. OK, so in my when I was I would,
I've been working, as you guys know, on the lexicon and I find

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I've had quite a bit of researchon it.
And one of the things that I thelast one of the things that I
the last one of the last things that I found was on in for the
Kafar numbers. It was on the Sea of Jabus or

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Evoc, OK, And I was working on that.
But then I had to go back into all my other research because
when I was researching Evoc, I came across something very, very
interesting. And I researched on what I
found. And if you go back and you look
at the early Semitic tribes, there was a tribe or it was

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called the Oh, it starts with a S Let me find it this.
Was an early Semitic tribe, Eileen?
Yes, it was. It was an early Semitic tribe
and it was the when you look. When you look at those tribes,

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you know the the immediate sons of Shem.
Right the. Shebashni.
Yeah, Shebashni. Shabashi.
Shabashi SHII might not be saying it right, SHIBASHNI.
OK. It's in Jasher.
Shabashi. OK, OK, OK, OK.

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And I and I looked it up and thereason I looked that up is
because on the research I found I had all the names of different
tribes that lived around this sea.
OK, And the original name of thesea, as I said, was in in
English it's Jabus, but and it and it also means that to be
parched, which means that it wasby some land that was by the

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desert. Now that would make sense if it
was around where Yasharel is andstuff like that.
However, while I was searching the tribes, the Shabashani, I, I
said, OK, I'm going to look up this tribe and I'm going to find
out what sea they were by the name of the sea.

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Was it to chat because I was trying to make sure I knew the
right name for the Jabus Sea. Well, an interesting thing came
up and this tribe was not anywhere around where Yasharel
is. They were near the Caspian Sea,
OK, what is called today the Caspian Sea, OK.

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And I also in my research, geographers that were that were
Greek, Strabo and Ptolemy refer to it as Cyrus or Kerr.
The the river, the lake, the sea, I'm sorry, the sea, OK.
And it's the longest river in the cocases.

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So I went a little further in researching all of this and I
found out that also in the book of of Jasher, it says that it
was near 5 regions. Now they give you different
regions. They give you different regions.
Now, Eileen, hold on, Hold on, Eileen, just for a second now.

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OK, OK. So first of all, when we're
talking about, let's get some clarity up here because you're
talking about the name Jabus. JABUS, right?
Yes, yes. Which is this tribe?
No, Jabus is the sea. Yeah, but when you're talking
about the, when you're talking about the tribe, the Jebushim,

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the Yebushim is how we have it in the Sepher.
OK. But that would be spelled JEBUS
as compared to the sea being spelled JABUS, correct?
Yes, yes. Yes, yeah.
OK. And so now, and now you're
talking about a river. A sea.
Well, but you're talking, but you did mention.

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A river, A sea. Yes, I did.
And the river is a river that runs in the Caucasus Mountains
or near the Caucasus. Yes.
Correct. Yes, yes, yes.
And so it's it's nowhere near Yasharel, nowhere near.
Yeah, but I mean, but The thing is about this river now this
river was called. What was the river called again?

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In the ancient times the river was called the the rivers were
called the Tragan River. It was called in the in the in
the Jasher it was called the Tragan River and the other one
was the Cura River CURA. Or.

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Kur Kura Kura. OK.
And those are the two rivers. Now those two rivers go through,
go through five different regions.
It's a, it, I'm, I'm sorry, the largest river, the largest part
of that is in the Transcaucasia,which goes through Georgia,

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Armenia, Azerbaijan, and it's known as the Cyrus River.
Today I've I've actually stood at the banks of that river.
Yes. Yeah, I've been on that river.
It's called the Sin and Dali now.
Yeah. And it's in a region called
Gakchetti. OK, yeah, the other one, the

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other one in Jasher is the Tragon River or Tragan, which is
possibly the Volga River, which empties into the Sea of Yavak or
Jabis, and it's the mighty Northern River and Tragan, the
name Tragan was Hellenized. So in my research, the sea, the

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Jabus Sea, is not anywhere near.Now they'll tell you these
different very arid rivers that it is today.
But in ancient times you can go back to the ancient names and
find out where these what the names of these rivers were from
ancient times. This is fascinating because you

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know there's some real anomaliesin this area when you talk about
the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea.
For instance, the Black Sea is avery weird place because the
lower half of the Black Sea is freshwater.
The upper half of the Black Sea is saltwater and the ancient

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legends, you guys might rememberthe ancient legend of adjacent
and the Golden Fleece. Do you remember this story,
Jason and the Golden fleece? Well, Georgia in particular was
no was known for massive deposits of gold.
And you know, it's in the Transcoccusus.

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So like I said, I mean, I've walked through this region.
I've been in this region really quite thoroughly.
And they used to use a methodology for sluicing for
gold where they would take a sheep side.
And they'd cover the sheep side with dirt, and then they would
put the sheep side in the Creek or in the stream, and they let
the water wash away the dirt. And then the fleece would be

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full of gold Nuggets. That's how they did it.
And so Jason and the Golden Fleece is believed to have taken
place in what is now modern day Georgia, the Transcoccasus.
Now, in addition to that, it wasone of the very first places
that was Christianized. They say that Andrew and

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Matthias came through that region in the 1st century.
And there is there's a a Byzantine fortress, a place
called Ogmeus Opsaris, and it's on the Georgian coast, very near
Turkey and Georgia on the Black Sea.

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And I had the chance to go in that fortress.
Now that fortress, they built the mortar out of egg shells to
put together these walls and thewalls are virtually completely
intact. 2000 year old fortress that is completely intact and it
still is totally effective todaywhen they close or they have

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steel gates over the entrance, when they close the entrance,
that's it. You're not getting in there
because they're 20 foot walls. But we did get a chance to go in
and visit. And inside that fortress is the
grave Matthias. That was the first thing I found
was the grave of Matthias, who had died there in the 1st

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century. Andrew, of course, went on from
there. And this story goes that he went
up to Kiev and that he convertedto people in Kiev, and that's
why their main cathedral in Kievis named after Saint Andrew.
And then he went down to Crimea where he was martyred on the

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Crimean Peninsula. And so, but when you look at
that idea that it was in the Trans Caucasus, the history,
that region, first of all, therewas another thing that you had
found earlier that I thought wasalso interesting, which was that
you believe that. And again, the Scripture refers
to the mountains of Ararat, not Mount Ararat, but the boat came

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down in the mountains of Ararat and which your research seems to
show that that was somewhere in Iran.
Is that correct? Yes, yes, yes, that was
something else I was researchingand you're correct in that also.
Now I can sell you tell you thaton the Internet, you have to

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look in the ancient places to find some of this stuff because
they are going to tell you that the e-book was actually the Red
Sea. And that's not, that's not the
case. When you go back in the names,
you have to go back to the to what it was, you know, and, and
sometimes I've even had to go back to Arabic names.

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I've had to go I had to, I've had to use translate a lot, but
I've had to go into, into names that they've found names that
were there and names that they found in their research.
And I've had to use ancient researchers knowledge, as I said
in this case, because a lot of what you're finding, what I

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found on the Internet is not necessarily, not necessarily
from ancient places, if you knowwhat I'm saying, it's not.
Yeah, because, well, The thing is, I mean, when you look at a
lot of the research that's beingdone today, there's a lot of
assumptions, right? And, and they don't even know
when they're assuming things. You know, for instance, we found

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the name, we found Jesus in an ancient text.
Well, no, you didn't. You found the Hebrew
configuration for what his name was in Hebrew and then you're
telling the world that it's Jesus, but that's not the name
you found. It's like, for instance, the
reports that they found the nameYahweh in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
No, they didn't. They found Yod.

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Hey Bob, hey, they did not find the name Yahweh in the Dead Sea
Scrolls. But when you when you get the
information, the way it's filtered to the public now,
it's, oh, well, that's close enough for jazz.
We'll just go ahead and translate it right here because
otherwise nobody's going to knowwhat we're talking about.
It's absolutely inaccurate and it's misleading.

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And so, but when you look at this idea of what, what is there
in Georgia, I mean, I can tell you that the Georgians told me
when we were down at a place called Ajara, which again is a,
a mountainous region near the Turkish border in Georgia,
Gennady Romanov was telling me, well, look, this grape right

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here is called Noah's grape because they believe this would
these were the grapes that Noah planted in the mountains of
Ararat where the ark came down. Now, of course, you know, when
you're in, when you're in in Armenia, in Yeravon, you know,
you look out on quote UN quote Mount Ararat, but the boat

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didn't come down on Mount Ararat.
It came down in the mountains ofArarat, which again has its own
translation issues. And so the question of the
Jebusine capital and the Volga River being part of this, this
would be absolutely quite fascinating if what you're
trying to say here, I mean, is that this of this motion of

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David may have been into quote UN quote, Armenia, Azerbaijan
and Georgia. Now, let me just let me just say
this about this particular area.You know that this area is a
highly contested area right now.It's being contested.
There have been some things thathave recently taken place in

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Azerbaijan which are very, very alarming there again, human
rights abuses that are taking place in Azerbaijan and the the
difficulty with all that. And I'm going to see, let me see
here. I'm going to try to, I'm going
to try. Unfortunately, guys, I'm on my
laptop and you know, we're, we're in a real bad kind of

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disposition today. I'm not going to be able to be
here for the whole of this Sabbath meeting because we're,
we're being, you know, evicted out of our, where we're staying
here this morning in, in just two hours.
So it's a bit of a problem. But I I also want to add to
Doctor Pigeon that Jabuzz JABUZ is an ancient city in Turkey.

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JABE exactly. And also the River Kura or Kura
and the River Tragan. And there's another connection
here, because the children of Thyrock, Did I say it right?
No, no, the the children that hold on.
Well, let me pronounce that for you.
That's actually the race. OK, The race, we're actually

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situated there and there are a lot, a lot of right now, some of
those areas are cordoned off because they found so much, so
much antiquities and ancients, ancient buildings and this kind
of stuff there. Yeah, that's absolutely

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fascinating. And of course, now we know, for
instance, there has been a new breakthrough of this week on
Gobeki Tepley and and Gobeki Tepley is now it turns out that
it's a calendar. It's a calendar.
The in fact, all of the, all of the Tepley archaeological sites

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that they found it, which are the, which they believe were the
oldest megaliths that have been found to date.
It's a calendar gives a calendar.
So again, this is quite fascinating that this is what
we'd see. And of course we have these
various kinds of megabits givingus different kinds of records
like Stonehenge and so forth. They give us a different kind of

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record than what you would expect.
And many of them are cosmological.
And in this particular case of Gobeki template, it's part of a
clock, if you will, that when married with the other temples
in the area sets forth A364365 day calendar.
So we do have evidence of an early calendar in the megalithic

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record. All right.
Now going back to this idea of the Caspian Sea being the the
Sea of Jabus or this Jabus beingcalled Jabus.
That's very interesting that we'd be talking about in an
ancient record in the Book of Jasher that concerns this river

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that's in and Dali that runs through the Kakati region.
And it runs. So it runs from the Caucasus
Mountains up the north of Gory, and then it runs straight down
and all the way through Azerbaijan into the Casp, into
the southern Caspian Sea, The Volga River, which is a massive
river in Russia. I mean, it runs and runs and

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runs and runs. And I don't know, it's maybe
maybe it's 1000 miles long, but its entrance into the Caspian
Sea as at the far northern end. Now there when you talk about
some of the history in that region, just let me give you
some a little bit of the backdrop.
We now have a city at the mouth of the Volga called the Volt
called Volgograd. It used to be called Stalingrad.

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It was one of the most importantbattle sites of World War 2.
The Russians lost about 5 and a half million men defending
Stalingrad at that what that onecity, five and a half million
men and they deferred defeated the German army there in
Stalingrad in 44. And when they defeated the

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German army was a general Zhukovthat did it.
Zhukov when he defeated them, they had won the battle in
November, but the Russians were not prepared to allow the
Germans to surrender until the following spring.
They had completely besieged them.
They had no food, they had no water, they had no arms.
And they let them sit there in their encampment until March

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before they would allow us to surrender, which means there was
cannibalism going on inside the German troops.
And so it was that particular battleground at Stalingrad.
There was another battleground at Leningrad where the Russians
also lost 5 million troops, and that is now Saint Petersburg.

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And then of course, the battle of course where the Russians
lost I think 1.5 million troops and the Germans lost 800,000 men
in that, in that battleground. And that battleground is by the
way, exactly where the battleground is going on right
now in the Ukrainian Russian war.
It's over that very same turf, the very same turf.

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And they're, they're actually using similar battle tactics now
because they're fighting on the same land.
So but when you talk about the Caspian Sea now, when you go
from Volgograd to the Caucasus Mountains, the there's a port
there called the Maka Makajma anyway, but it is quite frankly,

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it's one of the ugliest towns inRussia.
You know, that's, that's just mypoint of view, right?
It's not much of A place, but and between Volgograd and this
Makach Klat, whatever the name of it is, I'll have to look.
When you look in between there you find.
Market Chabata. No, no, it's market, market

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Klat. I've got.
I have to look at it. I'll give you a pronunciation.
OK. But between those two cities was
a place called Astrakhan, albeitnow Astrakhan was a was the city
that was held by the Mongols under Genghis Khan that
controlled all of Russia for a long period of time.

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And it was controlled by the Mongols until Ivan the Terrible.
And he finally defeated the Mongols and recaptured all that
land for Russia. But it was a Mongolian
stronghold, Astra Khan, and that's why it's called Khan.
It was named after the Khan, butbefore it was called Astra Khan
and before the Mongols arrived, the city was called Attil.

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You might remember that name with Attila the Hun.
You remember Attila the Hun? Well, he came out of that
capital city, so he actually he was Hun.
The Attila would be the better way he'd put it.
But history has recorded him as Attila the Hun.
And that capital was the capitalof what?

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Khazaria you you might remember Kazaria Kazars and the Kazars
were a Jewish community. They were a Jewish Kingdom.
And so the, the current status, the current discussion is that
the Kazars were converts, They were converts to Judaism and

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they were converts to Judaism inaround the 7th century AB and
that their primary ground was inthe North Caucasus, that is to
say from Makachikala. Makachikala, they think that's
it. Makachikala, it's from the

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Caspian Sea. And, and then going from the
Caspian Sea through Chechnya, Ingushetia, Aulania, Kavadina,
Bulkaria, Cherkassia, Krasnodar,and all of that southern part of
Russia into Ukraine. That's a black soil area, by the
way. It's one of the most fertile
places on earth and they grow, Ithink, I think it's 60% of the

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wheat in the world is grown there.
And by the way, the Russians prohibit by law the use of GM OS
on Russian soil. You cannot plant a GMO on
Russian soil at all. And in fact, that's one of the
big battle issues in Ukraine, isthat the Ukrainians wanted to
give the their fertile land to Monsanto to put GM OS in

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Ukrainian soil. And the Russians were going to
allow that to happen, no GM OS in Russian soil at all.
So, but when you talk about thisidea of these other rivers that
are contributory to the South Caspian Sea, that's the Southern
Caucasus region. And the Southern Caucasus region

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is different really quite conspicuously from Russia.
It's a much warmer region. It's a much more mountainous
region. And it has history that is
unbelievable. I mean, literally when I was in
Georgia, I saw artifacts that were 5000 years old and Armenia,

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which is, and this is something that is, I think I'm going to
be, I'm trying to get Google to come up here on my computer and
it just won't Google Earth. The when you look at Armenia,
Armenia and Yeravon, when you goSouth of Yeravon, there is a
region called the Karabakh. And the Karabakh has been the

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subject of a major war going on between Armenia and Azerbaijan.
And it's been going on, I think since the early 90s.
And the war was settled just recently because Armenia's
president became an American puppet, the CIA installed an
American puppet and he yielded the Karabakh to Azerbaijan.

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Now this is of huge importance in for those of you who are
scholars and of the faith Cherokee, because welcome out.
First of all, I have, I had a friend who was living in Irovan
and, and he gave me a lot of incredible information.

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And anyway, the churches in the Karabakh were said to contain
scriptures writings from the 1stcentury.
And so that would be very interesting because if you're
talking about scriptural writings from the faith, from

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the faith of Mashiac being in existence in these churches in
the Karabakh, that would be very, very significant.
Now, there's one other church, one other place, there's a group
called the Yazidis. I don't know if I've mentioned
these to you guys before, but there's a group called the
Yazidis. And they're a very small sect,

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if you will, and they're locatedin eastern, excuse me, western
Iraq. And it's a very, very difficult
region. And, you know, yeah, it'd be
worth it, very worth it to go and see what the You cities have
because the You cities are worried to have, again, original

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documents from the 1st century. So you've got two groups that
are holding documents that are worthy of review, the you cities
in western Iraq and these group of churches in the Karabakh in
Armenia. Now bear in mind that Armenia is

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by nationality Armenian Orthodoxpeople.
In other words, they're of the Constantinian Christian faith,
and in fact their church springsright out of the edicts of
Constantine, almost without alteration.
And same thing in Georgia. Georgia is an Orthodox country

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for the most part, although there were Muslim quarters.
So for instance, in Georgia whenGeorgia separated from the
Soviet Union, their first president said Georgia is an
Orthodox country and we know where you non Orthodox are and
we're coming for you. Well, that was very interesting.

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It caused the Civil War and thisprovince that was over on the
western seaboard of of Georgia called Abkhazia.
Abkhazia seceded from Georgia and it was, it's a Muslim area

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in Georgia. Abkhazia, as is South Ossetia, a
Muslim area in Georgia, which isjust north of Budesi.
Azerbaijan, on the other hand, is Muslim.
It's a Muslim country. So Armenia is Christian.
Georgia for the most part is Christian and Azerbaijan is
Muslim. So for the Armenians to cede the

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Karabakh to Azerbaijan puts Muslims in control of these 1st
century Christian churches. Not 1st century, they've been
3rd or 4th 4th century Christianchurches, but churches that are
rumored to hold documents that go back to the 1st century.
Now, bear in mind that when we talk about this, if we're

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talking, if the region you're talking about, Eileen was the
true Cyrus of David City, well, this is going to be something
quite extraordinary because again, we have this linkage, we
have this link up of, you know, the Tigris, Euphrates,

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Mesopotamian Valley. Which most people believe was,
you know, an early sites of civilization.
Certainly you have the epic of Gilgamesh is written concerning
the Tigris Euphrates and we knowthat the summer civilization was
also in the Tigris Euphrates towards the mouth of the Tigris
Euphrates. Which if you accept that the

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Acadian or summer group and theydo call themselves Acadian,
right? What was one of the cities of
Nimrod? It was Akkad, right?
AKKAD. Akkad was one of the cities
along with Eric and and Babel. These were some of the cities of
Nimrod. So in this area that is called

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summer would be the sons of a wrath cassette or are Pakshid as
it says in many Bibles, but I donot believe that the name is are
Pakshid. I believe that is a Masoretic.
That's a Masoretic construction.I think it's inconsistent with
the way the word is actually spelled.

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It's actually araf cassette. Who would be the father of the
cast deem. The cast Deem known in the
literature as the Chaldeans. The Chaldeans would, when they
migrated into Europe, would be known as the Chaldee or the
Keldee or the Keltie or the Celtic people.

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They were from the Chaldeans, the sons of Arafka said.
Arafka said was one of the sons of Shem and the house from which
Abraham came. So we can see that there is, you
know, Jasher is giving us a correlation that is regional in

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its correlation, showing this idea of the mountains of Ararat
in far western Iran, which wouldalso remember that Iran borders
Azerbaijan, it borders Armenia, it borders Iraq, right?
These are this is a border area.And so this region now is going

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to be kind of replete. And so when we look at the idea
of the the tribes of Yefet versus the tribes of Shem,
again, going back to the tribes of Shem, Shem, of course, had
five sons, Aram, which is the father of the Aramaic language.

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Aram, that would be Aramaic. You have assure who would be
called the father of the Assyrians.
You have Araf Cassette, who is the father of the Abrahamic
tribes and the tribes of Nakor, the cast Dean.
And remember that the cast Dean built Nineveh and the cast Dean

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built Babylon. And the Scripture says that
Babylon was the Excellency of the Castine.
That's how it puts it. Babylon was the Excellency of
the Castine. And then you have a Lam is a
child, is a child of Shem. Well, where is a Lam as a
region? Historically, a Lam is what you

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would call that portion of Iran which borders the Persian Gulf
and its capital city was Shushanor Susan if you want to put it
in a kind of a plain version of it.
But Shushan and Shushan is whereDaniel died.

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And this is set forth in the book of Daniel that he starts
out his time in Babylon. But after Baltashezar is killed,
many, many tekle Varsan after after that, Baltashezar is
killed and the city is overtaken.

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And then Darius becomes the king.
Daniel tells us that he moved from there to Shushan.
And if you go to Shushan this very day, right now, if you can
get in there, which I haven't ever been in Iran, but if you
ever go to Iran, you can go to Shushan and you will find the
tomb of Daniel in the city of Shushan.

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It is a major tomb. It's a major artifact.
It's not just a gravestone. It's a gigantic building, you
know, like the Taj Mahal, not that big, but it's a very large
building. That is the tomb of Daniel in
the city of Shoshanna. For those of you who read the
Sepher, we know that you have the book called Shoshanna,

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Shoshanna or Susanna in the English.
And Shoshanna is a very interesting story because you
know, she is the wife of this guy and there's two guys that
two elders that want to have an affair with her and she turns
him down. And so they accuse her of
committing adultery with a youngman and and she's going to be
stoned. And Daniel says, before you

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stone her, I want to cross examine these two elders.
And you see something very illustrative of the Torah
commands in this dealing in the book of Shoshanna, because he
takes the two men separately andhe divides them apart.
And he says, tell me, you who accused this woman of adultery?

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Under what? Which tree did this event
happen? Oh, it happened under the mastic
tree. OK, great, sit down, close your
mouth. Then he goes over to the other
guy and says, OK, under which tree did this happen?
Oh, it happened under the Elm tree.
Well, you're both liars. And because they were both liars
and they had accused her of adultery, that was a death

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offense. The Torah provides that the
accuser who lied would get the same punishment that was
intended for the person accused.That's a Torah command.
And because of that, the false accusers were both stoned to
death. That's the discussion in the

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Book of Shoshanna. So both Shoshanna and Bell and
the Dragon, which are the two supplements to the Book of
Daniel, which by the way were always included in the 12th,
excuse me, the 1536 Canon of scriptures at the Council of
Trent. They did in fact include Bell
and the Dragon, Shoshana and thePrayer of Azariah as part of the

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Book of Daniel, that those were approved texts by the group that
was going to canonize scripture.They were canonized as deutero
canonical works. And both of those books are very
illustrative because Daniel actsas an investigator.
It's a very important aspect of those of you who are Torah
followers because the Torah is quite clear in Deuteronomy that

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the truth of the matter is established by the testimony of
two witnesses. But those two witnesses have to
be telling the truth. You might recall when Jezebel
and I have when I have went out and wanted to get this guy's
vineyard, which by the way is nothing but a real estate lust
and oh, I got to look at that vineyard.

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You know, does everybody wants to grow up to be a vineyard old
owner? No.
You know, if you if you want to find out what vineyard life is
really like, go out to a vineyard when there's no food in
the fridge and see how well you do eating those grapes.
Try it anyway. I have wants this guy's vineyard

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and the guy says I can't sell itto you because I inherited it.
And under the law of the Torah, you cannot sell an inheritance
because it would be recaptured in both the sabbatical year and
in the jubilee year. So you can't sell it just like
the the inheritance of Jeremiah up in Ramah.
You might recall that in the book of Jeremiah, he inherited

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property that he had to go up and take.
I don't know if you guys recall all this stuff, but this is the
real property law of the Torah. And so he tells Ahab I cannot
sell you this property because it's an inherited property.
And a half said he goes back complaining to Jezebel I really
wanted that vineyard. And Jezebel says no problem I'll

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just have two guys stand up at the feast and say we heard him
blasphemy in the name of Yahwah and they'll take him out and
stone him. And she hired 2 liars to stand
up and give false witness and hewas taken out and killed and a
half got took the vineyard. And then Yah goes to 1/2 and
says 1/2. He says, yeah.

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He says, what's up? He says, you're going to die in
that vineyard. You're going to die, right?
Your blood is going to be pouredout right on the ground of that
vineyard. And furthermore, your wife is
not going to be buried. Dogs will look up her blood.
Well, that was a prophecy that came true explicitly.

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Anyway. I'll get back to that story in a
little bit. But when we when we take a look
at this idea of this property and remember that Georgia, like
when you look at the at this region of the Kakati, Georgia is
a the oldest wine producing nation in the world.
They have been making wine, theysay for 5000 years and they have

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evidence of them making wine for5000 years.
And a lot of this wine making isdone on this river, the Sin and
Dali River that runs through theKakati because the whole area is
naturally irrigated. So they don't, they never water
their vineyards in that area. The roots go down 15 feet into
natural aquifers at the base of the Caucasus Mountains.

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So here you begin to see region.You see a region that has 5000
years of history that claims to have an immediate tie to Noah's
Landing, that you have artifactsand texts that are found in some
of the churches that go back to the very first century in the in

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the Karabakh. And so as a consequence, this is
very interesting, OK, So when you see that this that the that
this sea is called Jabus, the Sea of Jabus, OK.
I had something else that I oh, am I OK?

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I had something else. I just wanted to add since
you've been talking about the ancient scripts and the scripts
we had today, and you probably already know this, but it was
something I found in my researchbecause of the names that I was
dealing with. And one of the names was
Adatanase. Again, I may not be saying it

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right. ADATANESES from Jubilees, That's
an ace. OK.
And the reason I looked her up because is because she's
actually the mother of who you've been.
You talked about Shushan. Shushan Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's her mother. Yeah, some of those names like

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give me an example when we look at the book of Jubilees, and I
think we may have already talkedabout this in our discussion of
Jubilees. The, the wife of Noah is, she's,
we're told her name is EM Zara, EM Zara.
And I believe that that name is actually EM Zarak.

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And, and it's just as like, for instance, when we looked at
Shemiatsa in the Book of Handoke, there would be other
variations of that name, Samiatsa and so forth.
But I think it ignores the fact that you haven't Ethiopian
translation of a Hebrew word. That's where I was going.

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That's where I was going. Here's the thing, and this might
be and they may have done this for a reason for the specific
reason has to where to point outwhere Yasharel is now OK, the
Dead Sea Scrolls do line up withgeez with the geez translation

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in some respects, but only part of the scroll of Jubilees was
found that is of Jubilees was found to match up with the
geese. OK, so but what happened was
this is this is what my researchshowed is that a part of the

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geeze is unaccounted for. This is the geeze stuff is
unaccounted for. Thus, its accuracy of the geese
is unconfirmed. The names are found in the 7th
chapter of the book. If the Geez and the Dead Sea
versions were or are 100% the same, the Dead Sea version was

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probably created and owned by a solitary Ivrit group LED out in
the desert. Which introduces the possibility
that a whole other book of Jubilees other than the regular

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version of the book that we that's been used has been edited
in some way. Or they don't and they don't
have they added to the part of the scripture they didn't have
to match up, you know what I'm saying?
Yes, yeah. And when you talk about this, I
mean, here's the thing that whenwe deal with the Book of

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Jubilees, remember that this book is canonized in the
Ethiopian text and in the Eritrean text and in the a
Syriac text. But you are correct.
I mean, first of all, we believethat our information is showing
that the the town of Qumran, which is not really a town, but

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it may have been a fortress built by the Maccabee, by the
Maccabees and they may have built this as an outline
fortress and it was initially called Damask.
And so this area was kind of fortified early on.
So you're talking about it beingbuilt around 160 BC.

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And so some of the information shows that some of the scrolls
go back to 190 BC. And so that would kind of kind
of predate the idea of a Maccabean fortress right there.
But but nonetheless, you, you'recorrect that the Book of
Jubilees has not been found in its entirety.

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The Book of Handoke was, however, the Book of Handoke was
found in its complete form in Aramaic in one of the caves.
But Jubilees I don't think goes past chapter 20 in the Dead Sea
Scrolls so that the remaining portion of the book of Jubilees
may be added on or could have been sourced and could have been

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an original text and could have been a text known.
It just didn't get completely copied the Quran and because.
For the difference, that's how they can do the difference.
That's how that's that's my thoughts, how they can say all
these cities are in Israel. Yeah, but yeah, yeah.
But sure. But keep this in mind though,
too, Eileen, which is that when you look at at some of these

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words, you have a transliteration thing going on.
Yes. That is to say, OK, we heard the
word and then we wrote it down in the geese the way we heard
the word. So that's a transliteration kind
of format. So This is why when I said when
you say in Zara, OK, well, remember that when you have the

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the, the cough, the final cough at the end of the word, it's
pronounced very subtly like Baruch.
OK, So you don't hear the car atall.
You hear Baruch with a little bit of breath.
Baruch, right. Ruach, Mashiach.
OK, there's just a little bit ofbreath at the end.

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And quite often you'll see some transliterators not put any kind
of car at the end. Like you'll see a Ruach or
Mashiach. You'll see it written out as
Mashiach, right? But even though but there is
something there that is Baru Ruach mushiya, see, So M Zara,

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see. So you don't get that M Zara,
you get M Zara. However, if you look at M Zara,
this name becomes a title or a descriptive more than it is a
name. So you have the idea of EM
mother, Zara, seed, and then thecough at the end is the suffix

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meaning you're. So in Zara literally means the
mother of your seed, the mother of your seed.
If you don't have the final cough on the end, it's the
mother of seed, but with the final cough on the end, mother
of your seed M Zara. So this may not be your name.
And This is why when you see Josh, you're telling us that her

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name was Nama. It does not contradict Jubilees.
It only contradicts when you don't know the meaning of the
word that's being used. It's like when you look at the
word mastima, Oh, the evil Prince Mastima, you're thinking
that's a capital, you know, prone, a capital proper noun.
But it's not. It's ma satama, which means from

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hatred, from hatred, the ruach, from hatred.
So, you know, again, when we kind of pull out these meanings,
we're able to get a much better explanation as to what's going
on in the book of Yeovilim, in the book of Jubilees giving this
this narrative. Now, going back to Jasher, you

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know, there's been a lot of people that have criticized
Jasher saying, oh, this Jasher is a fake book.
This Jasher was made-up. This Jasher is fictional.
It was, you know, it was createdand somebody putting together a
bunch of stories. Well, I'll tell you.
I just disagree with that whole thing for a whole bunch of
reasons. I mean, one, Yeah, I'm glad to
hear you say that. When you look at the book, when

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you look at the discussion on Zepho towards the end of the
book, the discussion, why, if you're writing a fiction book on
Scripture, why are you going to spend any time on Zepho?
Why would you do that? You know, why would a couple of
rabbis in the 14th century want to add Janice and Jan Breeze to
a fiction book in order to support the narrative of Paul?

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Why would you do that? And instead what you see is, and
then the discussion in particular that appears in
Jasher 9 and 10, given the geography, the geographical
location of the tribes of Yefet.Now we've been having, and I
hope you guys are OK with our conversation so far, and I want
to share this information with you because this is for us.

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It is breaking scriptural news, if you will, breaking news.
This is the kind of things we'refinding.
We've had some very interesting discussions with Doctor
Nathaniel Jensen, who is a geneticist and who has written a
book called Traced. And in his book Traced, he is
finding DNA evidence for tribal migration.

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And in looking for that DNA evidence of tribal migration,
what we are finding is that hangon just one second, what we're
finding is that in the tribal migration.
Is that we're able to piece together so many of these,
answered so many of these questions.
And we know that the House of Yafet, according to Jasher, he's

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giving us these rivers where theHouse of Yafet was located.
And it's interesting because youwould think that Gee, wouldn't
they populate the coast of the Mediterranean?
And the answer was no, they did not populate the coast of the
Mediterranean. They populated river ways.
So when you think about it, you know, reason your way through

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this. Why would you populate on a
river and not on the coast? Because the coast is putting you
with seawater. You can't farm with seawater,
you farm with freshwater. You can't drink seawater, you
drink freshwater. So the population centers are
going to be along streams of freshwater, not along streams of

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saltwater. OK, now, now go ahead Eileen and
tell us a little bit more about this seed called Jabus.
OK, hold on. Are you thinking that this is

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the Yevuchim? I am think well when I said it
was the the jabus, I mean let mego back to it Evuk.
It was the Evuk, yes, I, I certainly have.
I mean, from my research, it's east of the Caucasus Mountains

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and it includes the five regionsI said.
And when I go into all these other Semitic tribes, the early
Semitic tribes, some of, I mean,I've found I haven't, I find
that a lot of them are from thatregion.
And I've found so many antiques and not antiques, but you know,

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antiquities statements and things in ancient books about
these regions. And I truly believe that that
this is the, IT was near the, and I cannot pronounce this, the
KYZYLKUM Desert in Central Asia and the MAGMANGYSHALAK Peninsula

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and the Karakum Desert, Those are dry and arid regions that
are right there, right in, in the vicinity of the Yivak Sea or
the Caspian Sea. OK, now here, what I was talking
about was Makhachkala. And you just mentioned that
peninsula, right? Makhachkala?

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Yeah, I did. I I didn't say it right, but
yeah. Yeah, yeah.
OK, so so I'm showing you guys Google Earth now, and I'm
showing you this region that is the Caspian Sea.
All right, now let's start here with this river.
OK, So this river that's being discussed is a river that here

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is this river system here. Let me take up some of these
roads just to be so we don't want to see those.
Let's see. OK, so this river system runs up
in this valley up in here and itruns down this way.

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You can kind of see the river here clearly now, and this is
going to become fairly major as it runs through, and it's going
to run all the way through Azerbaijan all the way to the
Caspian Sea. Here's the Caspian Sea here, OK.
Now, in addition to this, I mentioned to you before, the

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Ngoro Karabakh, this is this region right here.
Now, this region here has been disputed between Armenia and
Azerbaijan for a long time. And this is where my friend who
lived in Yerevan told me that there are churches in this

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region that have incredible 1st century texts.
This is the Karabakh. Now, do I know anything about
what's going on in its, this, its relationship to, to David's

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Fortress and the, and the Jebusite fortress?
I don't know. But when we look at this idea of
the mountains of Ararat, if in fact and you can see, you'll be
able to see there very clearly here.
This area right here is Iran. This is Iran and it's bordering

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Azerbaijan and it's bordering our media and it borders Iraq.
And in this area is where we believe that the mountains of
Ararat actually are. And so when we look over here,
down here. Can I stop you for just a
second? Stephen.

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You were just talking about that.
OK, Now the cushiony tribe of the Kushnis.
The tribe of the Kushnis were onwere originated in the Ararat
plane in Turkey. Yeah.
OK. Now that's interesting because
when you look at the book of Esther, you have a very
interesting claim in the openingline of the book of Esther,

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right, The book of Esther. Let me see if I can find it
here. The book of Esther, always out
of order. OK.
And it says here that it came topass in the days of Ahusuras who

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reigned from India even unto Kush.
He reigned from India even unto Kush.
Well, you can try to understand that as potentially being,
potentially being. Hold on, Oh boy, suit this way

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you could try to understand thatas potentially being in Africa.
And I think there there is a cushion in Africa, but there
also appears to be a cushion elsewhere.
And, you know, when we look at this idea of the mountains of
Ararat, we can see that. We can see anyway that these

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mountains are likely right in here in this region, OK, in
these mountains, the mountains of Ararat.
And again, it's hard to do thesethings when when we're dealing
with, you know, Ron Wyatt's expeditions.
But nonetheless of this whole region here kind of gives you an

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idea of what we're talking about.
Let me see if I can just a minute.
I want to try to get to, oh, I guess I'm not going to be able
to get to that. But anyway, so this information

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is kind of critical because you can see that there may be
something going on here that could be changing kind of the
tenor of things. Now, you also found some
interesting things in terms of where the Maccabees were
fighting, correct?