S2-E138 - Mindset, Business, and Living Fully with Jerome Jacobs - Champion Mindset Collective

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Probably a bit more cash in my back pocket, meaning, you know,
there was lots of clothing. There was a lot of enjoyment,
but I had a goal. I want to own a home.
By the age of 21, I purchased myfirst house and then by the age
of 23 I sold that and I bought the property from my uncle.
And so by the age of 26, I wasn't, I was literally mortgage

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free. I really thank God my wife made
a big decision to follow and to come with and to support.
And we're only three months marriage.
She comes out of a five sisters,one brother, so quite a tight
family, whereas I grew up a little bit more disconnected.
She was tired. So the first few years was quite
challenging. I always grew up with a healthy
work ethic because that's what my father learning to serve was

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something that was a big part ofmy growing up.
I think that still serves me well today.
Knowing that you know what we'redoing is worthwhile.
Also doing it well is vital. When you in South Africa, you
got to outperform an art service.
Nevertheless, it's it's just oneof those things, I don't know
about you, Anthony, but what I've found is that there's
always some level of resistance when we meet people or an
opportunity, there's always resistance.

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And that resistance can be from experience, whatever we're going
through, whatever. How do we overcome that?
Progress is a big word because sometimes it doesn't feel like
wisdom comes through the abilityto evaluate.
That's what we evaluating who weare evaluating it from.
Hey, hold on, this might just bethe time.
Now we have got a wider net circle like you say, you know,
maybe I've got to chip away morethan.

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Welcome to the Champion Mindset Collective podcast, where we
speak with inspiring leaders who've turned challenge into
change and passion into purpose.Today I'm thrilled to introduce
Jerome Jacobs, author, business mechanics book, business growth
strategist, founder of The Rise,Advisory coach, dad, husband and

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all round adventurer. From fixing cars in South Africa
to helping over 350 businesses across New Zealand grow and
thrive, Jerome brings real worldwisdom and heart to everything
he does. He's here to share not just
business insights, but his journey of mindset shifts and

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how he balances success, family,faith and fitness.
Let's welcome Jerome Jacobs to the Champion Monster Collective
podcast. Fantastic.
Yeah. Listen, thanks so kind.
You're welcome. Really appreciate being here
today. It's good to have you here.
Anthony, it's, it's genuine privilege to be honest with you.
Yeah, OK. Thank you.
And this is the book that you that you write.

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Yeah. And so was put out a challenge
just after 2018 when I left a a coaching franchise from 2003.
So I was seven years products franchise.
And you know, when you lay at night and you got these things
just running in you and you hitting all the right people
just came around. And and because coming out of
the motor trade and I thought ofbusiness as a vehicle, to be

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honest with you, and I could easily distinguish and I knew
that people you could connect with folks, you know, in that
it's something really straight forward.
Who doesn't know a car? Yeah, you know, who hasn't sat
in a car? Who wasn't a passenger?
You know, who knows? Ohh, crap.
The thing is running on empty, you know, you know, and you
know, when you going slow, fast and there's so many analogies,

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you know, from a point of view. And so I've had some really good
people to sit down and help me put the book together.
And so there's there's it's got some really interesting chapters
in it. It starts off with this thing
called the road map. So it identifies where you're
going with this vehicle, but also identifies the situation,

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whether this vehicle has got a brand, you know, like, ohh, is
that a Toyota? Is that a Porsche?
You know, it's sort of identify something and that's what a
brand does in in a way. And then it moves to the second
chapter. Because when you buy a great
vehicle, it should come with a owner's manual.
Absolutely. Yeah, and.
This one doesn't. Working progress, yeah, there's

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like OK, 2.0 so and so yeah. So we, you know, it's sort of
clearly defines what does that look like, you know, from a
systems in an organisation. And then you move around the
wheels, you know, the wheels demonstrate the the marketing
and the sales. If they ain't turning, the
vehicle ain't going anywhere, you know, what's the point?
So absolutely, people can relateto that, you know, And then then

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the next chapter, it's around, of course, we all hear about the
people on the bus, unique capability, people recognising,
you know, the different personalities, skill sets and
all that probability stuff and recognising where they attend
the journey from my point of view.
And then the last but not least,I think it's most valuable.
Yeah. Chapter in the book is called
The Service Crew. Yeah.

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Interesting. Sarah.
Got out of that service crew, you know, having the right
accountants, the right mentors, the right coaches, the right
consultants, the right HR, health and safety.
I mean, like, where does the list stop?
You know what I mean? So I found that people that know
where they're going to the business, they have a great
support crew and look, some people as a man in a van, some

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people owned like a heist, you know, with a a good few people,
you know, good few people in it.Some people own multiple
vehicles, some people own a plane or train a boat, you know,
so people can relate to that. And so different locations.
And so it's quite simple and it's been designed in a way the
book's design. It's easy to read.
And because you know, coming outof a trade background,

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mechanical background, I was like, ohh, if someone else going
to read it. So it's it's, it's clear and
it's and it's and it's easy to understand and to follow.
So this most of the folks that Iwork with, they pick it up and
go hate reading books and goals is easy.
I read it on my way. Yeah, Ohh.
You know, I've I've got a coupleof people say I've got the book
and I've never even read it. I'm like, that's fine.

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Yeah, you need to run a time comes in.
We humans. Right.
So when people where can people find the?
Book and you can get it on Amazon, you can get it on, you
know, just Google it and it's ona on a few different platforms
and it's also in a few other formats.
So you can, you know, Kindle andstuff.
So the books called Business Mechanics and can you fix it?

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And as Bob the Builder would say, yes you can.
If man made it, I'm sure we can fix it.
I love it, thanks for asking. No problem.
Well, Jerome, before we go into some in depth questions, I'd
love to for you to share your journey and life from childhood
living in South Africa to comingto New Zealand that you know,

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share with us in the summary what your life has been like.
Yeah. All means on my mom's side, I'm
the eldest grandson and grandchild.
My dad's side, I'm the eldest grandson.
There are some ladies at and girls at that clipped the little
bit earlier. And so, yeah, it's always been
an element for me. You know, they're sense of

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responsibility and, you know, from my point of view.
But mom and dad is still very much around married.
And I've got a a sister. She's two years younger than
what I am. And then we got a brother that
is he's basically 1516 years, you know, sort of came way after
that. As a family, we grew up never
lacking anything, but also movedaround a lot.

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And so there was like growing upwas quite challenging in net
scenes, you know, the in the sense of, of uncertainty, you
always moved around. So it was just how things were
dead. I picked up my enjoyment around
that. Being a mechanic, I picked it up
from him and and so that's what led me down the that particular
pathway. I did not finish high school.

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I went back and what they call standard 9 metric as year 13.
I went back and I realised firstNah, just call it.
But what was interesting was when I made the choice of the
decision to do my, what they call in TC-1, in TC-2 and TC3
and four Technical College for doing mechanical, being a

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mechanic. Is that all the way through?
I did it all in one year and lucky parents couldn't even
believe it. This can't be happening.
And I think I just knew that that was what I needed to do.
And I always grew up with a healthy work ethic because
that's what my father learning to serve was something that was
a big part of my growing up. I think that still serves me

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well today. Knowing that you know, what
we're doing is worthwhile and also doing it well is vital.
When you in South Africa, you'vegot to outperform in out
service. Nevertheless, it's it's just one
of those things. There's someone on your heels.
When I got qualified, which I put myself through my
qualification, I put myself through, I was working on
weekends doing work and stuff. So I had to learn very early on

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the value of money and the valueof saving because it wasn't much
of that surround, you know, likepocket money and things like
that. On the weekends you would do
things, wash on these cars, uncles cars, you do things in
order to, you know, to get some,some cash.
But I was given an opportunity very early on to do some unique
things. So having an entrepreneurial
mindset that's always been there.

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So for example, I used to buy, repair and sell vehicles and
that was one way I was generating income that led me to
buying some people movers like your shuttles that you have from
here to the airport are bought two of those and then they
became another income stream. Once it got qualified, I only
worked about four months for a dealership in Iraq.

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This is not for me. And then that's when I opened up
my own workshop, mechanical workshop.
So probably a bit more cash in in my back pocket, meaning, you
know, there was lots of parting.There was a lot of enjoyment,
but I had a goal. I wanted to be to own a home.
And so by the age of 21, I purchased my first house and

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then by the age of 23 are sold that and I bought the property
from my uncle. And so by the age of 26, I was I
was literally mortgage free. Wow.
And so, you know, 4 bedroom house, Ohh, kitchen, salt water,
terminate the pool, 4 car garage.
You know, it's amongst friends like it would like, what are you
on about? But I knew, you know, the

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importance of a goal and the importance of working hard and
the importance of, you know, it's not make the banks wealthy.
You know, let's you know, and and and so and it's because I
think we came from a growing up with very little Yeah.
And so the importance of that And so, yeah.
So that led me to my lead me to meeting my my lovely wife end.

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We dated, we quoted and we are worked as an interesting story.
We are worked. There was two brothers and they
came over and they came to come see New Zealand.
So I didn't know the seeds were being planted.
Hmm. So while I was working with him,
I see the videos cause they cameover and everything was like,
what's this New Zealand like? Like I couldn't connect to the
young guy. It's all about, you know, just

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the now became a time where, youknow, when you got a close 27
windows at night and it was justa bunch of things that didn't
sit right with me. I was uncomfortable, even
though, like, you know, your mortgage rates.
Something made me want to come over and have a look.
See. Yeah.
And that's exactly what I did. And I hope it was when you were
talking earlier about flow, likethe flow, like someone gave me

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some details of somebody and then I'll ended up in Australia
and Mira cousin I didn't know and the next thing the same
person that they're out on therewas a cousin of this head.
It's just all crazy. The whole of Australia and those
kind of things. When I came over here that time
you still faxed back a job offer, came back three months,
got married. I had my permanent residency and

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came back in 99. So everything just landed and I
think it flowed sort of ordained.
So you say you had to say and soand think I really thank God and
my wife made a big decision to follow and to come with and to
support we only three months marriage.
She comes out of a, you know, five sisters, one brother.

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So what a tight family, hmm. Whereas I grew up a little bit
more disconnected. She was tired, so the first few
years was quite challenging for her.
You put me in the desert. I wanna make something happen.
Yeah, You know, kind of mindset.Wow you what do you House of 21
mortgage free by 23. 26. 26 Sorry.

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Yeah. Wow, that's pretty quick.
Yeah, yeah. So yeah.
Action Man. Put my mind to something.
Yeah, pretty much. I know that I'm on that
particular path. Yeah, You know, and everything
comes into alignment. Excuse me, I'm using the book.
You know, just like in car, you know what you're using.
This wheels on the line and you're gonna go, we believe,

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wobbly everywhere. Judas.
Yeah, and like you said, you know, like, like flow, if your
wheels aren't aligned on you andyour and your, you know, spirit
and, and you're, you're not flowing with it, then you may
end up in a different direction.Your GPS might tell you to go
here, but you might end up somewhere else.
And it's being aware of where the universe called is wanting

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to take you, but it's also beingopen and available and ready to
go where where you need to go, right?
Yeah, that's A and another. There's some really interesting
stuff to talk about that becauseI think, you know, from a faith
point of view, my lifestyle and the way I was loving because
from that was literally in the fast lane and I needed to be put

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into a different environment. And I think that was just part
of that. Or they look, let me take you
out over here so that you know, you're disconnected from cause
environment is an interesting thing.
You know, we can either impact an environment or it can impact
us. Yeah, well, I I believe that
like God, universe puts us sometimes take us out of and

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separate us because we're meant to focus on something and go
down that track. Ow we often feel like we're
being pushed away from something.
People were walking away from us, but but essentially by
design that we're meant to go onthat track and through that
there's a whole lot of growth and expansion and stuff that

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comes. I was like, wow, OK, this is
interesting. Yeah.
You know, it's, you know, the whole concept of the road of
road to life. You know, you're on the road
and, you know, you started to get a little judders, you know,
little Arcati and ignore that and you know, and then you get
the armed call, you know, it makes a little bit more of a

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mess, you know, but the and I'veexperienced, you know, a few
Mack trucks, yeah, you know, andit's just not listening.
Yeah, exactly. But you know, like how GPS tells
us to go a certain way because it knows that there's something
happening and down a different route, right?
But often we don't wanna look like the other day, and I know
where I was going, but the GPS has taken me a different way and

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I'm like, no, I want to go this way.
And it goes right. So real.
Yeah, but but it's like then then, you know, you go that way
and then you go, ohh, no, there's like a, a traffic jam or
there's a there's, there's a accident or something, right?
Bottleneck. So it's really, and we've got to
follow our intuition. We've gotta follow the, the, the
voice that that the direction, the the guidance that we're

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being given by the God, God and universe as to where we, where
we could be going, you know, or where we, I don't know, want to
use the word should, but I want to say where we meant to be
going, Right. So yeah, so you went from an
auto tech to a top coach. What mindset shifts made that

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possible? In, in 2001, I went, I left a
job and I went to a partnership in a mobile mechanical business.
And I very quickly and knew thatI didn't have all the skill
sets, you know, from my point ofview, because Hadoop business in

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South Africa is a bit different.And it, when I knew that there
was something different and the,there was fortunate enough, I've
managed to, you know, get a, geta good coach on board and part
of that coaching organisation. They have one major role.
And the, and this rule up to date are still utilise.

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I still share in my sharing and I always get reminded about it.
And we adopted it at home, you know, as a family.
And the rule is called above theline and above the line.
They are three fundamental what things ownership and not in the
sense like we think about ownership, but like, like what
real ownership looks like in a way.

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And so, and then of course, there's accountability and
responsibility and and and I'm away of, of other, you know, the
below the line, which is the blame excuse and the ultimate
the denial of all of the things that's occurring in just, you
know, putting him under the, youknow, the mat.
So I would say that that is probably the biggest shift

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because at that stage, when I went in into that and sharing
that from my point of view and my kids, they had on their walls
above the line and the world is round and you know, and all
these fundamental philosophies, but things have really that's
fundamental to how we live. And and so they didn't have
pictures of rock stars, you knowwhat I mean?

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It was and so I adopted and backcongruency.
I'd get very uncomfortable sharing and it's not in in that
space. So congruency became quite a big
thing for me in this walk. You know, from my point of view,
I would be genuine with someone say you know this part, but

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let's work together to find out or get the support in this from
a coaching point of view, especially moving from being
running mechanical business to becoming.
I mean, literally, I flew over it for training in Australia and
I remember flying over our routeon the, you know, motor
mechanic. And then when I flew back, I was
wait, hold on, business coach islike so it.

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Doesn't identity. Just literally flew and identity
and I remember I was a first fewnights back as I was literally
sweating was like, who's this person you know?
And and and so you know that that was an identity shift and
it was taking ownership for thatidentity, which was there was

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that was that was crazy mindset shift.
It is like, you know, like, I mean, I've been through the
recently as well. Yeah.
And you know, like a 20-30 yearsin corporate world or as an
employee and then shifting into CEO, founder of my own
organisation, business or agency.
And it's like it took me a whileto go hang on.

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I'm no longer an employee, I'm actually the founder of my
organisation. It's not until you make that
identity shift, hmm that everything changes for you.
What and becoming congruent and I totally agree.
And would you would you explain to audience what congruency is
and what the importance of is? Yep.

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Yeah, that's when we're talking about something that really
matters or it's important and being in alignment with that.
So if we're asking someone to hypothetically a simple example,
hey, you're doing newsletters and is that something that I'm
doing and I'm doing it? Well, if I'm going to ask
someone, you know, hey, listen, is your, what's your fitness?

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Am I doing something to maintainmy fitness?
If I'm saying someone you know, and it's it's it's it's a true
alignment of servitude. Attitude is being able to go.
This is something that I that I can speak about because I've
I've tried it, I've experienced it and experience is actually a
critical element to it. You know, and especially early,

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early phase and mid phase and inyou know, you become more and
more like you know much. But the point behind that is
congruency as being true to oneself when once you and you
can since you like people can think that they can go those
guys sharing this, but I don't know whether he believes.
What he's saying over your exactly where it's coming from.
Yeah. And for me that those are

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genuine uncomfortable moments. And so that means it has some
more learning, some more growth.It's almost like I'm like an
actor, you know, reading a script.
Yeah. And memorising a script and then
just acting to actually enact a being that person and truly
believing that they're in that. Like someone like Jim Carrey,
who who did that comment? Was it?

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Was it The Truman Show? And then he did another one,
which but he literally took on. He literally lived that person's
life, you know, and he became that person even when he
finished the movie and then moved on.
He he, he lost himself. Wow.
Right. But he was so congruent to that,

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to that character. Character.
Yeah, so, so really aligning with your true self.
Yeah. You know who you are truly
within yourself. And you know, there's a, there's
a modality in the coaching wherewe use called the core, CRUD and
crust. And so when you're born, you're
at your purest form, which is your core.
Then what happens? And if you could imagine, so the

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three circles, small circle, bigger circle, and then our
medical can a bigger circle. So core, the crud is where
things start happening in our life, trauma and so on.
And we start getting a whole lotof CRUD.
And then the crust is kind of like the things that we hide.
So if you think about a mirror or a window, that overtime gets
smudged, yeah. Or you've got a room, Missy Room

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and, and then you close the doorand you, or you, you cover up
the the window because you don'twant people to see that you've
got these things behind it. So you build up this crust,
which is also known as the imposter syndrome, because
you're no longer your true self.You're actually being an
imposter, right? It's not until you start
chipping away at the crust or start taking the paper off the

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window and cleaning the window that you can actually see your
true self in there. These yeah, that's yeah, that's
that takes something yeah, it takes something yeah.
And being real, one of the things about being real, I can,
for example, I went into a development and that didn't pan

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out and, and working out throughthat and sharing that with
people cause, you know, it's a significant amount of loss and a
significant challenge. And you got to deal with that on
a whole bunch of levels, you know, from a family level, from
a business partnership level, from a, you know, banking level,
you know, from a fine, you know,all of that as at play.
And you know, again, you know, some of the OHH, that's an

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identity. But yesterday reality is for me
is this there hasn't been someone that hasn't experienced
something like that, you know, taken an element of risk or
they've, you know, no matter howcalculated all time framed and
so enough experienced allsorts of things, you know, from
purchasing with a a property andworking through dynamics around

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that, or whether it's been in business shareholding or whether
it's in, you know, selling chairs.
So when you start looking at thethe realm of all of those
experiences, you know, good, bador indifferent got more, more to
connect and more to be congruentwith when business owners are
going through different levels of organic or acquisition growth

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or merge situation. Absolutely.
How did you begin to see yourself as more than just the
trade? Are you talking about earlier?
Yeah, like your trade as a mechanic.
Like invested quite a bit in education.
So there was a phase and I nevergrew up reading much many books.
So give you some context. Once I got on some coaching and

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I was exposed to improvement, self improvement, I started
doing our courses. I remember there was a defining
moment for me actually, and we talk about those defining
moments. I remember I did this landmark
course and all I, I had a picture.
I had a picture of the real impact of what business owners

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when it go sideways or win at the win at hits the wall or when
it's a crash. The real impact was their
families, right? And then you're moving into
their people, then you're movingto the supplies, the
contractors, then you're moving to the banks, you're moving.
And so I saw the impact of whether it's a partnership or

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it's a sole trader, solar impact, the hurt, the challenge.
And it took me back to a time where because my father had
businesses and, you know, I grewup in a, yeah, in quite a
challenging family. And it was a time of alcohol and
that kind of challenges with my dad and stuff.

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So I've seen things build up andbut I've also seen everything
and it took me back to a place and then it became crystal clear
on what the purpose is and how can I get myself to a place, you
know, so that ultimate supporter, but how do I get to a
place where I support business owners so that, you know, it's

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not a matter of failing the matter of how we can progress
and success in succeed. But now the beauty of that is
the impact that has on on them, you know, their families, you
know, they economic empowerment,the value that they have when
they can. Like, I mean, currently, you
know, we got people that are hiring in this, in this season,

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you know, and, and so just seeing that happen and you know,
and so it creates value certainty, it creates a sense of
contribution. It creates a sense of variety
and stuff, you know, within these organisations and
businesses, just because of, youknow, one or two very unique
people that have made a commitment, you know, around the

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ownership, you know, and around accountability and
responsibility to take this thing called a business vehicle
forward, you know, and continue to make it go forward.
You know, and so I heard that defining moment and and and that
became a big part of my purpose.So what it was I was holding
what was like I was holding on to a rope.
Like literally, that's what it felt like.

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I was holding on to this rope and and it was all of these
people hanging on it. And I'm standing over there
united go Jerome, and that's andthat's it was easy thing to make
the shift going, you know, that's that's who I was.
The other key thing is at the end of the day is I can count my
hands how many callbacks I wouldhave had on mechanicals because
I was the kind of guy majoritiescut once.

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Always, you know, for me it's about keeping people safe on the
road. So I see vehicles really
differently, devices like this is a thing to get me from A to B
and go, how can it get safely from A to B?
So when I do something, you know, I would double check and
double check because that's not only make a mess of it makes a
mess. And so all of those kind of
things were coming through to meand I was like, ohh, wow, ohh.

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So now I'm in the people business, business in the
mechanical, you know, so it shifted and they're dynamic when
they're dynamic shifted. Because to apply those things
right and a different context. So real and so you know, and
from reverse engineering how I'mgoing to find that fault.
What's the solution? You know the fault fix, you know
the processes and you know you gotta go through sequential
process when you wanna take an engine part, how you put it back

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together, This is, you know, allof that kind of stuff.
That's no different in a way We assemble.
So systemising, right? Yeah.
And having having a methodical way of doing it, yeah.
But people matter, and so that was the crazy she was like.
Whoa. Because, you know, just dealing
with cars, you're dealing with people's lives here.
It made me wanna learning understand more on how we are

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wired with the choices, the decisions we make and how did
someone get to that part in the life, you know, what made that
decision and how do you keep making those kind of decisions
or choices in life? And and so you know, and so like
they say, you know, we start asking better questions and then
you move down a different pathway.
So it's quite, it's quite impactful and quite impactful

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because then we get to see generational opportunity.
So you talk about business as a tool for thriving families and
communities. Why is it so important to you?
The main thing at the end of theday, what a does when you look
at, I'll give you another concept in this, in this space,
right? So there's this thing called the

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loyalty ladder. And you know, you, you, you, you
start somewhere in your move, you know, move upward, you know,
and there's more in this morning, you know, become a
customer and a member and it become an advocate.
And then you become, you know, so I always look at those kind
of things in business in a senseof, of, of people's database.
So the relationships or internalmeaning internal accompany or
external other company. And what I found is that

(29:12):
business is nothing much more than a tight knit community.
It's either in working as a community or it's not.
And so, but it's inner spice andin the spice, I'll look at
what's actually happening aroundthat mine couragement with
working with prisoners is like figuring out how a lot of the

(29:35):
strategy and stuff is how we're going to impact and add value to
the community. So one of my four, one of my
cool things about who I am is it's it's about value add.
So I'm always thinking about that from a concept.
At the end of the day, look, organisations, they need to,
they make money, they've got to have some aside to pay down

(29:58):
loans and they've got to reinvest.
So which is kind of cool, you know, where the people process
and but beyond that, what are the, what is that?
What is that business actually there for?
And I think one of the things that spoke to me very early on
is physical intelligence, intellectual intelligence and
emotional intelligence and inspirational intelligence.

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And what I found is that people get quicker, faster, better, not
only when they're intellectuallytalk about stuff, but when
they're genuinely emotionally involved.
And this is, this is on a greater level out of business.
So it's more so this brings in communities, it brings families
and how things ought to work. And it's all through this unique

(30:42):
entity. And so we started to look at it
and with it's in sponsorships orwhether we want to look at it in
a different perspective. And then people are connected to
that business better, especiallyfrom a team point of view.
I give you one simple thing I would normally do in a business.
I would think about the employees or the contractors and

(31:05):
I would ask the business owner, for example, So what are the
things they involved in, you know, so whether the sports or
whatever the situation. And then we'll get them to start
thinking about how they can add value into those kind of things.
It's not only creates retention,but it creates a different
environment, you know, of success.
And then we move beyond that. So working from the inside out.
So O, when I think community, I think community in all of those

(31:30):
ways, hmm, it really says something and it and it, it's in
the core of who I am. And then they start to get that
because I'll cheer about how I'minvolved in the community.
So again, this is coming back into that congruence thing and I
can genuinely connect and share with that, you know, over the
years. And so that's why I'm I'm always

(31:51):
keen to see organisations and businesses involved.
Yeah, absolutely. And and also thriving, right?
Because a. 100. Percent yeah, because you you
want to support your family and and your community is absolutely
yeah. How can business owners keep
their their why and front and centre?

(32:12):
Old Simon Syndicate, the whole, the good.
The good under Why? Find your why.
What was the other one? Now you?
Why? Ohh, no, you why?
So what I've since is I use the word depends here in the
situation because it depends a lot on where business owners are
and the fundamental when I was trained as far as the action

(32:34):
coach, we had a saying a business as a commercial
profitable enterprise that workswith or without you.
The without you, it's optional. And So what does that mean as
commercial? It's an enterprise.
You can take it, you know, it's got products and services it
works with, with RQ and you know, it's mean, it's profitable
and you have team and you have systems from Ebony and it's, you

(32:55):
know, it's kind from that point of view.
So when I look at it and I'll ask people what their why is,
you know, it's not difficult forme to find out if it's legacy
based, if it's financial freedom.
The why is, is actually to wivesneed to be full time at home to
look after the kids. Doesn't have to do 2 jobs in
there. You know, I can, I can

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understand the why of why it is that they do this.
It's in multilayers though. It's never it's like, hey, this
is the one thing. It's always two or three or four
things that truly matter right here.
Everybody wants to get out of debt.
Everybody wants to perhaps not everybody wants to own a
commercial property on own 5 businesses.

(33:38):
Not everybody wants a general manager or anyone who wants to,
you know, sell it, you know, because they enjoy it.
You know, they're why might be abusiness owners.
Why might be I just want to get back on the tools, you know, so
so for me it's knowing that and then being able to circle it and
bring it back as often as possible.

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When we start to get the jittersand or the noise starts the
platter or the dark kicks in or,you know, things change the
supply a key team member leaves,you know, a key customer, you
know, through another friend shifts on this all whole lot of
things, but it's coming back to and going Henderson, we can do

(34:20):
this. And this is the reason why so I
I bind very early on to that emotional context or goal of
what it's there for. Yeah, Yeah.
Vital. Awesome, you've helped hundreds
of businesses. What mindset traits separate
thriving owners from struggling ones?

(34:43):
The main one I would say is the concept around.
I know, Hmm, I would say if I was to cause you don't have to
say it to see it. I've found that in life you
could sit next to someone, you go, ohh, they probably think
they know it all. And that's a that's a dangerous

(35:03):
mindset. I know it comes at a great cost
because we are even moulding ever changing theirs.
As you know, there's two sides to a coin and there's many
different ways to look at things, perspectives and things
like that. So when I meet a business owner
that are open, I really got a strong sense at the end of the

(35:27):
day, we are going to get much more traction.
We're going to go places cause they will give it a go.
Yeah. And they'll give it a go again
and they'll give it a go becausethey're, they're open, open a
fine. That would be probably the
number one challenging mindset versus giving it a go.
And so the key is don't be a know it all.

(35:49):
Be open to learn from others, right?
From others, there's, you know, the as you quite know, you know,
you know the people you meet, the books you read, the things
you watch, what you listen to. So it's really kind of cool, you
know, having unique people, but being open to it.

(36:11):
And when someone says tell me more, how else?
What else? I explains my wheels.
I'm like, Gee, man, you know, itgets it really gets, hmm, gets
the blood flowing and the juice lying.
And you know, we're not lack, but one thing we don't do is
lack ideas. But as long as you don't lack
the openness to them. Are they common thought patterns

(36:35):
that hold people back? It depends on experiences that
people might have had in the past and that might, you know,
when that happened, that was then.
You know, I'm not saying that's now, but I would say there's a
couple of things, the naysayers and the probably the main thing
at the end of the day is listening to maybe peers that

(37:01):
don't want to see someone else succeed.
And they might subtly say something and like, ohh, you
know, so when I'm listening to people, they go, ohh, you know,
a bunch of them. This is what they're saying.
That would probably be for me because I would believe that
most people to some level are influenced and especially in

(37:27):
communities or friendships or stuff like that.
So they are rather good ideas. Sometimes I go like today I had
someone call me and they had an idea.
I'm like, that's an awesome ideaand that came through someone
else. I'm like, I cherish that and I'm
going, man, that's brilliant. But when it comes from a point
where you start to notice that there's consistency in a pattern

(37:48):
occurring then of what's being said or what's been taken on,
you know, not saying the news isbad, but there's those aspects
that you're gonna take. You still gotta, I think people
still gotta exercise wisdom. Yeah, and also surround yourself
with people who are on the same sort of vision and, and you
know, people have gone before you who have done what you're

(38:09):
wanting to do. So it really depends on who you
surround yourself with, right? And who you take advice from as
well? Yeah, progress is a big word
because sometimes it doesn't feel like it, like, you know,
sometimes. So there's another saying that
it really matters to me. Wisdom comes through the ability
to evaluate. That's what we are evaluating

(38:31):
who we are evaluating it from. And you know, so this, yeah,
it's, it's a very interesting thing.
Um, at the valuation that reflection and going, hey, hold
on, this might just be the time now we have got to widen the
circle. Like you say, you know, maybe
I've got chip away more that cause I love, I love that I love

(38:51):
it. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
it's been, it's been locked in here, locked and loaded Eddie.
And so, yeah, but it's it's it'svital.
And look, that can be from significant other, that can be
from, you know, a bunch of guys that hang out or people that
hang out. That might be different circles,

(39:13):
but I'm always thinking like, think about it for myself.
What is it that you want to do? And so, but yeah, it's nice when
you can start to see those wins and that progress and things
like that. And it got a breakthrough in a
unique way of speaking, encouraging.
There's a there's a part of coaching.
We learned this interesting thing, fascinating thing.

(39:34):
It's called the formula for change.
Could you believe that? It's actually a formula for
change run. And what it is, is that
everything we do is about building report.
So we're like, we're busy building report massive in
brackets. You've got this thing called V
and it has to be a capital V, which is called vision.
And then it's a big multiplier sign, right?

(39:55):
And then you got something rightand it's called right and the
satisfaction. So but a report in brackets and
vision times dissatisfaction, right.
And then what's interesting is you've got this plus first steps
in that big is greater to sign abig R resistance.

(40:15):
So. I don't know about you, Anthony,
but what I've found is that there's always some level of
resistance. Hmm.
When we meet people or an opportunity, there's always
resistance, right? And that resistance can be from
experience or whatever we're going through, whatever.
So how do we overcome that? Well, sometimes we got to take a

(40:36):
little first steps. We're going a little first steps
that might mean, you know, you might have to go to the bank.
Finally, the bit of finance, test drive it, trial it, all
those kind of things, a little first steps.
And so in the coaching space, what I tend to do is I do little
bits of trials, but also sometimes I've got to go and

(40:56):
really highlight the dissatisfaction.
Look, this boy will running out of this thing, right?
And then and I like you gotta your vision board and stuff like
and that's the big V and the vision and stuff like that.
So it's a combination of puttingthat all in a sequential thing
and then realising that that's what we utilising.
So for me, that's a that's a bigthat's a big thing to see change

(41:19):
come. Sometimes you gotta have the
vision. You gotta understand that the
satisfaction you got to trial some things and once I start
noticing that big R becomes smaller and smaller and smaller,
the resistance and changes something, then it becomes a
joy, you know, and yet difficult.
I've got another one for you that's called the adult growth

(41:41):
model. Okay, tell me about it.
So when you're growing, when your baby, you're reliant on
your parents and that's a functional reliance.
But when you're as an adult, if you're relying on people, then
that's a dysfunctional, then there's the rebellion.
So when you and your teenage years, your brain's reforming,

(42:01):
you're rebelling. That's functional because you
can't control it, OK? As an adult, if you start
rebelling this dysfunctional, then you get to the result stage
and you go, okay, well, I'm getting these results and, and
that and you look at it in a constructive way and go, OK, I'm
getting this results. The next step is realisation.

(42:24):
O you see the results and you see the reality and you come to
the realisation that things needto change.
But if you do that as an adult where you see the results but
you don't change this dysfunctional.
Ohh that's clear. Like I don't like when you say
that. It's crystal clear.
So the question is, if you're anadult, are you reliant?

(42:46):
Are you rebelling? Are you getting results?
Are there good results, or are you getting results that you
don't want? And if that's the case, are you
actually we are aware, are you in realisation of those results
that you need to make some changes in your life or in your
business? In ages speaking about that it
draws close. I'm, I'm involved in, you know,

(43:09):
in some other community things with men and, and it's quite
interesting in the world of what's and what's an adult or
what's an adult with the teenagespice, you know, and hear what
you're saying cause you can, youknow, preteen or conversation or
situation or is this teenage or is this like, you know, what

(43:30):
does adult actually mean in thatcontext?
So yeah, it's quite interesting when you bringing that up.
It's yeah, that really hits me. Is your brain is your mindset of
a, of the 10 or 18 or you know, on the function or as your
mindset from a, a rebellion and,and you know, so really gotta

(43:52):
look at yourself and say there are, there are things coming up
here and you talk about resistance, right?
Am I resisting because it's a functional thing, or am I
resisting because it's a dysfunctional?
Dysfunctional again a folking around.
There's not look like most things as a fork in.

(44:12):
Everything. Yeah, there's always fascinating
and sometimes there's a third round.
Do not let loose. Begin Classic.
How do you personally stay grounded and running businesses
or your business and supporting others?
That's a good question. Sometimes it's not easy being
grounded. Hey, I have to be frank, because

(44:35):
when you're supporting and is saying the impact that, you
know, because not everything goes, there's no plane slaying,
there's nothing straight forwardin life, right?
It's it, it's not linear. It's not I have to sometimes and
I've I've got some, I've got some key people around me that
are spend time and speak to it because I need that too.

(44:55):
That's that's been probably a really important, you know, some
because life's a really and I think you know, is that
supporting and his peers and then his people that are reach
out to that are older that have other done business, investing,
faith, family and you know, through the face of so you know,

(45:18):
it's it's drawing on that kind of stuff.
My grounding comes from me beingconnected with others.
I do, I, I need, I'm someone that needs to take time out in
the morning to, to, to clear my mind, to read scripture, to be,
to know where my breath comes from.
And so I can reset, you know, I got this reset button.

(45:39):
I can do that, you know, and so,you know, with fitness and, and
things like that, but I do have key people that I can call upon
and I think that keeps me mostlygrounded.
My grounding comes through because I'm so people connected.
That's probably true from that point of view, but just to be
able to bounce and connect and go, OK, great.

(46:00):
I'm, I'm OK, you know, so that'sactually, well, that's actually
the most, that's very important from my point of view, because
day-to-day, the volume of thingsthat come, you know, to me in so
that I can respond effectively. I've gotta, I must be able to
just, and I am able to, to literally clear my mind.

(46:21):
It's a trained behaviour. I had to do that very early on
in culture training was like, how do you not go with whatever
that happened in that meeting, however uncomfortable, because
you have to have hard conversations about things that
really mattered and then moving to something else, move from 1
frame into the next frame. So, and so I've had to learn

(46:42):
that behaviour, but also for myself.
So, yeah, it's, I also have space in between so that I can
make sure, you know, that I'm just not falling on their feet.
So that can be present and valued to everyone else.
But for me, it's reaching out. Yeah, it's reaching out as

(47:02):
reaching out. Don't I choose not to go down
the rabbit hole or choose not togo into The Cave, you know,
typical bloke stuff, you know. And so if I understand all of
those kind of elements about myself, but also understand
about human nature, so. You talked about like you got
lots of stuff coming at you, Like the human brain gets

(47:25):
millions of bits of information coming at it at any given time,
and it can only handle 40 bits of information.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
So what your brain starts doing is it starts deleting,
distorting and generalising. If you've ever been in an
argument and you try to recall that argument after the
argument's finished, you probably find pieces of it.

(47:47):
Yeah, but never proper think it's because your brain's going,
well, I can't remember all this,I've just gone.
Just gonna delete it, distort itand generalise.
It nice, alright. It's very stink sync in a way.
It's quite interesting. As you were talking and I was
listening and really taking in what those elements are, another

(48:07):
unique thought popped into my mind about just about grounding
was a find. I am someone that operates based
on the front foot, like hands down and know that about myself.
I know that. Hmm, Alright, so I don't have I
never have a messy inbox. It's just not in my nature.

(48:31):
If I say I'm gonna complete something, I've completed a
follow up and follow through. It's just I've found those those
things really helps me be grounded in and sure footed.
So when things come, you know, in that, yeah, I'm able to deal
with it. Bit it's actually something that
has become look, you can't sort everything out all the time,

(48:54):
right? So it's I don't come with a
super caper, right? Sometimes we think we're
superhero. Is I, I, I call a spider spite.
I know you know, when I dropped the ball, I figured out I
figured out a bunch of things around your militias.
I've figured out to be able to be vulnerable.

(49:14):
It's probably one of my strengths.
Yeah, I understand that. So I've in life, I would say
there would be probably, you know, one or two people have
taken advantage of their vulnerability, but I know that
it's not on me. So.
So there's a I get, I get that about life.

(49:36):
And it allows, of course, allowsothers to go, ohh.
Is that what it means to be vulnerable?
Yeah, you involve them into a means, mental health and
community work. What role does it play in and
the means while being today? I think showing up and being
consistent over the years, I've been part of different things.

(49:58):
We myself and an ex school principal, we we led for seven
years. We led a, a thing called blokes.
And what it was would be some context is it was a bunch of
different. So you have your older men and
you have your, you know, your sort of more, more established
marriages and you know, and thenyou have your young married and
then you get teenagers and and little kids.

(50:18):
And we would go and support the community.
So the elderly and the single parents and those that just
couldn't go into practical worksin a sense, you know, we would
water blast and or chopped in a,you know, take out bushes or
hang a curtain. And so we do that and stuff.
We did that for a bunch of years.
And what I found is for men, when they worked together,

(50:39):
amazing things happen. They speak, they laugh and you
can sense from when they've cometo that little job you know that
you were loving on and the serving element of it and then
just sitting out and breaking bread and having like a cup of
tea and stuff like that. I knew that they just left
better because there was something they would talk about,

(51:01):
you know, so so I'll find not only that is both community,
both unity, but it also built wasteful mean to communicate and
share. And I think that's probably the
goal is then the more someone shares a men's at the end of the
day, that there's a relationships that are informed.
But what's extra cool about it is you've got kids seeing how

(51:23):
all the gentlemen are training and learning.
So you got that international. My kids got to learn a whole
bunch of skills. MMM, you know, from using a
pick, you know, Ohh, dad, my shoulders are sort of like,
well, you know, you're not gonnalearn that stuff on on looking
on an iPad. But the point behind that is,
and it also shows them what it means to give in a community and
then seeing people give of theirtime and all of that stuff.

(51:46):
If you if you come put it together right, it's like a
little recipe and you just see men better.
And if a man, if a you know, I think I might have mentioned
once, you know, I always think to myself, you know, the princes
are not fooled with women. They filled with men, right.
So if a man goes, you know, wrong.
It's quite but it's nice when you can work through.

(52:08):
And then for many years now I'vebeen supporting a ministry,
another mate of mine, where these guys, they're earlier
released from prison and they got to go through, you know, 100
day course and then from there into a government facility.
And the consistency of being there, sharing good values,
sharing scripture, sharing real situations and being the

(52:31):
inconsistently talking about, you know, what it means to be of
good character, You know, what it means to keep women safe,
what it means to love, what it means to, you know, And so
breaking through, you know, the,the, the impact that it has,
it's been, it's been incredible to see these guys step up like a
70% success rate because of the type of environment that's being

(52:54):
created. And I'm only at one small
portion or one small element of it, But you know, they come to
know me because it's consistent.He's a guy that shows up, he
shows up, he shows up, he shows up, he shows up.
And then my lovely wife, you know, gives me the privilege and
opportunity to do that, you know, and then my boy's going
well, yes, Dad is doing something in the communities is

(53:16):
impacting. There's a lot you know, is
staying. So, but it makes them start to
this is generational stuff. It's a legacy stuff, you know,
and so, but I do it because for me, seeing's men stronger,
seeing men take on the challenge, you know, of breaking
through and breaking apart and breaking through and becoming

(53:38):
better, getting involved and utilising their gifts, talents
and capabilities. They got given beautiful gifts
and talents, learning to share love and they're a little bit of
funds they get, they put it now into other things.
You know, it's like even the little that they have, they're
putting like I'm, I'm so stoked.And then encourage that, you
know, because that might not have been the experience growing
up. That's awesome.

(53:59):
Yeah, Yeah. So important.
So important. Yeah, absolutely.
Thanks for asking. What do you think?
Connection and purpose? Why they're so needed right now?
Now the two beautiful things, connection and purpose.
I know we have so many challenges as far as, you know,

(54:19):
technology and all sorts of things, you know, that it's easy
to be isolated and lonely. And you know, and so for me, I
think about the, the one major connection for me is, you know,
is the God connection and, and that it's not rusty.

(54:41):
So if when that connection is strong like connection is strong
and that's what I think that comes back down to true
identity. And because once that is the
case, you can close the two. Identity in becomes love, grace,
mercy, joy, all of those kind ofthings.

(55:03):
Connection becomes much easier because people feel that they
see it. So when is hurt or like
abandonment or disappointment, all that kind of stuff, this
connection is easy. It's just there making the
connection happen has to start with with the breast comes from

(55:26):
hmm. And so from that point of view,
purpose is interesting. I think most people have been
told a million times through their significant other friends.
People see purpose all the time in other people.
I don't know, but it's just crazy.
Um, you can also tell quickly when someone's disconnected.
Of course, it doesn't have to bea rocket scientist, but I think

(55:47):
most people have an inkling or something around their purpose
but hasn't been drummed in and hasn't been reinforced.
Yeah, it hasn't been. It hasn't been spoken into their
lives. It hasn't been.
You know, it's fine that there there's A and that's the harsh
thing. And then you move back and find

(56:09):
allsorts of things to fill the gap of loss hurt, you know.
And so for me today in today's world, I don't have all the
answers about how to make those connections, but I know showing
U and living by example and talking and speaking through

(56:31):
things and getting people to actually connect with others
can't happen. Not everybody's got a connection
capability to connect, connect, connect.
It's not how we all wired, but Ido believe that people want to
be in a true self. They wanna be and believe in me.
I think everybody would love to know and understand their
purpose. Yeah.

(56:52):
Like there's no, I don't. I don't have a different mindset
about that. Well, you know, one of the
fundamental things of a human being is they, they want, they
need community and connection, you know, But yeah, being
connected to source, to, to guard universe, it's really
important. Yeah, okay, we're at the stage

(57:15):
now. I've got 6 quick fire questions,
so you can choose to answer thisin a single word or a short
sentence. First one is how do you define
success? And has that definition changed
for you over time? Yes, it has.
Has it, it has a success would have been, you know what's in
the bank account. Success to me now is the most

(57:39):
poor people around you and how they feel about you.
Know what they say about you. For me, if someone says I love
him, this is who he is, This is who you are to me.
When someone knows, words come out about someone.
This is who you are. To me, that has much greater
impact and I find that to be a true sense of success.

(57:59):
Yeah, I I heard Ill Nightingale say success is when you when
you're moving forward, as long as you're moving forward.
Wow, that is success. I can get it.
Yes. Yeah, it is.
It's beautiful. Yeah.
Who's been your greatest inspiration?
Why? Well, in the faith, of course,

(58:21):
there's, you know, I've been Christ follower, you know,
that's the character that I workconstantly and work out the
human element. We have a I have someone as a
gentleman in my life. He's he's what he's built around
him and he's right down to the relationship that he has with

(58:41):
his grandkids and the way that they respect him and the way the
the communication occurs and allof that stuff.
And just that, that structure for me, it says that there is a
phenomenal foundation that's been put in place.
And, and so I've value that and I go, well, that is someone, you

(59:03):
know, that I can respect and I can, I can see, you know, that
there's an, you know, just because of how all of that
works. And I go, so he's a, he's a
really, he'll be 82 this year. And I have, I still have lots of
quality time with him. Like I said, I've got people

(59:25):
that I loved and, and have done a lot of good things well, and
the impact on the relationships they have stands test of time.
And so for me, it's a, you know,it's a, it's a, it's a big part
of growing up in a certain way going wow, how important it is
now, you know, you know, you know how much you can pull, you
know, monkeys, right. So, so those things, yeah.

(59:48):
So would say those are the 2. What's something that you
believe that others may disagreewith?
You in the world around. Some people think it's.
You know, that could be just a flash, right?
They just look quirky thing to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I just.
I'll just throw that out there for fun.
Yeah, if you could go back and give your younger self a piece

(01:00:10):
of advice, what would it be? Wow.
It is a yeah, it's a, I know specifically there was a couple
of taps on the shoulder where mywife said, no, we're not, we're
not doing that. And I did that.
So, you know, taking the taps onthe wife for my beautiful wife.
That is probably there was, there was a few times I would
say I would go back and go, yes,honey.

(01:00:31):
Listen to your wife. Listen to the taps on the
shoulders. I can I can see it.
I'm I'm open about these things.It would be a couple of things
and she go and she wouldn't evensay anything about you.
Just keep quiet that I love about you Never make it right or
wrong. You know, it's a beautiful but
there's a there's a few things out of just literally going my
younger self in my relationship with my wife.
And you know what, since 99 we married.

(01:00:53):
So yeah, I would say there's a few key, key things.
Yes, yeah. What does one message that you
like to share with the? World.
It's something that Craig Rachelthat I believe it's really
important. I've I've found that the one
thing that all the information and learning that over the years
with my buddy Andy, he said people follow people that are

(01:01:17):
real. Hmm, I can't I can't.
I don't mean to use this word. I'm not a fan of the word, but a
concentrated enough to be real and be genuine and you know, and
like just be like be yourself. People want to hang out more and
with someone that is real and, you know, bleed, you know, and

(01:01:39):
all that. But yeah, just be, be real, you
know, and the facade, they're only going to last so long, but
being real matters every time. People love people that are.
Real. They are real.
Absolutely. Yeah.
Last question is, and this is double barrel, like what does it
mean to you to be a champion andto have a champion mindset?

(01:02:01):
So what does it mean for me to be a champion?
The response to that would be being a champion and going
through this motorsport thing atthe moment and like at the
progress, having a winning element, something to strive
towards. For me, that's where being a
champion is, is that process of the adjustments, the tweaks and

(01:02:23):
things. For me, that's where
championing, I think about people like, you know, with this
Muhammad Ali to, you know, just the hours and the effort and the
commitment. So champion is about being
committed to something, you being committed and true to
something that matters. So for me, that's a champion.
It's a champion, you know, And so it's the commitment and, and,

(01:02:47):
and the follow through and the dedication tells me that that
that person has a champion mindset and can be a champion
and staying the course. Can they're winning mindset,
right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Not that, and I'm cautious because you all have that kind
of stuff. Winning at all costs can have a
detriment, but winning in a way because it's quite interesting.

(01:03:10):
Like I understand a lot of win, win and win, lose and lose, win
and stuff like that. But it's, it's quite interesting
what that means when you have a winning mindset and you're
bringing a bunch of people with your something that you shared,
you know, about, you know, having one day a facility, you
know that people can come and just heal.
For me, that's a champion mindset.

(01:03:30):
That's a that's a winning these you you're taking, you're doing
something that's going to shift and add value to so many people.
So for me alone in my mind, I gothat is, you know, that is that
to a degree. And so I value that more than
anything. Absolutely.

(01:03:51):
Yeah. Cause it takes it takes courage,
it takes dedication, it takes tenacity, resilience.
I mean, I could just spell it all the words to push through
the proverbial of, yeah, where there's poppy syndrome,
whatever. But that's, I would say
commitment. And it's one of my core, core
values of being committed. When people committed this, they

(01:04:14):
have a champion minds. It's seeing things through.
Absolutely. Thank you.
Yeah, that's absolutely right. People have been listening to
this podcast and they want to get in touch with you.
How can they do say? It just don't rise advisory.
It's a, it's the website is probably the the easiest way and

(01:04:36):
I would say that's the. Easiest put the link in the
show. Notes Yeah, I just, you know,
and I'm someone that enjoys likeeverybody has a coffee, but
really I'm generally interested in people in from a what their
personal objectives and their personal objectives and
understanding that this needs tofeedback.

(01:04:57):
It's it's it's still clear. It's not like it's like, ohh,
you know, and because I'm fortunate enough to use a lot of
good frameworks and a lot of useproven methodologies and stuff
because over the years, you know, there's 20 odd years now
of being in this game. You you build a a solid toolset
and and good strategies that that works.
And so just understanding that it could just be a whole bunch

(01:05:20):
of cool things blowing through the event that can make a
difference for folks today. That's really, really cool.
And just having a different perspective.
So no, I'm just love, love the opportunity.
Yeah, awesome. We'll put this we'll put the
link in the church on nights andif you've been watching this
episode and you you've been inspired and you'd like to get

(01:05:41):
in touch with Jerome, you know, on a professional or personal
level, either way or both, then I encourage you to get in touch
and thank you, John, for coming and sharing your story and
really from a from your heart and being, you know, really
honest about it. If you were a business owner,
that is really to unlock your growth and impact the and and
also have personal freedom, thentake a look, take a leaf from

(01:06:05):
Jerome's book and success startswith the mindset.
Now The thing is progress over perfection and also start before
you're ready. You don't have to get everything
ready before you start. You can start and everything
else will flow. O we talked about flow before.
Yep. That's.
Yeah, exactly. Just start and then doors will

(01:06:28):
open. And so yeah, lastly, I just want
to say you are loved. You are worthy.
Champion your life, champion your greatness and have an
amazing day. Yeah, Amen.
What's Amen to that? Yeah.
Thank you and get the book. Yep, there we go, pick it up on
Amazon. And anyway.
Yeah, business mechanics book onAmazon or wherever you find

(01:06:51):
your. Books.
Yeah, cool. Thank you, Joanne.
Thank you so much. It's been a significant pleasure
to be here and appreciate every minute of it.

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