Changing Churches: Wisdom for Transformational Leaders

Changing Churches: Wisdom for Transformational Leaders

The purpose of this podcast is to equip church leaders who are out there every day doing the hard work of bringing change and renewal to churches. Each season we tackle an important topic, and in each episode, we talk to real-world church leaders about their best practices. It's our hope and prayer that these Conversations for Transformation will help you as you do the work of Changing Churches.


December 14, 2022 63 mins

Dr. Chris Ritter, publisher, writer, and editor of, shares his thoughts about the wave of disaffiliating churches happening in the United Methodist Church in America. Chris, who is also the Directing Pastor of Geneseo First United Methodist Church in the Illinois Great Rivers Conference, helps explain what is happening in this season of disaffiliation and what it means to the future of Methodism.


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Auburn University Freshman, David Couch, shares his insights on the future of the church, and the best ways pastors and churches can reach his generation. 

  • How can churches reach out to college students?
  • The role of social media: Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.
  • What about traditional v.s. contemporary worship styles.
  • Learn about the ministry of the Auburn Wesley Foundation
  • Ways to make disciples among young adults.

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Bryan Collier, Founding and Lead Pastor of The Orchard Church, a multi-site church in Northern Mississippi centered in Tupelo, shares his story of leaving the United Methodist Church (UMC) about five years ago. He and his church, along with a handful of other large-church pastors are forming a new network of former (or soon to be former) UMC churches.  This network of independent Wesleyan/Methodist churches from around the county w...

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Rev. Tom Berlin, of Floris United Methodist Church, shares his viewpoints about the challenges facing the UMC today. Tom has been outspoken in encouraging United Methodist churches to remain within the denomination and advocates for a more inclusive vision for the church. Additionally, Tom shares his insights about how churches can best operate as we emerge from the pandemic in a different ministry landscape.

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Pastor, Professor, and Anthropologist Dr. Derrick Lemons has a simple message for those leading churches into the future. It's not about the latest and the greatest or trying to always find the next best thing. Leading churches into the future will mean understanding and adapting to our contexts and following the timeless message of Jesus. 

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Dr. Len Wilson of Invite Resources and Saint Andrews UMC in Plano Texas discusses the role of creativity and innovation in leading our churches toward the future. Len is the author of over 11 books about creativity, innovation, and technology and has been helping churches around the country for decades. 

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Dr. Jeff Greenway, the Senior Pastor of Reynoldsburg United Methodist Church and member of the Transitional Leadership Council of the Global Methodist Church, shares his thoughts about the future of the church. In addition to his comments about the current state of Methodism, Jeff shares his ideas about what pastors should be looking to as we all navigate our churches from the pandemic into the future.

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Hear a great overview of season one all about church staffing. If you'd like to know which episode might interest you the most, start here. Rob and Crystal Couch briefly review each episode and share other insights.

Crystal Couch is the Executive Director of the University of South Alabama Wesley Foundation (Methodist Campus Ministry) in Mobile, AL. Rob Couch is the Lead Pastor of Christ United Methodist Church in Mo...

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Philip Hayes, the owner of Max3 Martial Arts, is a small business person who has built an incredible team. Pastors can learn a lot from creative leaders like Philip. In this episode, Philip shares how he overcomes his staffing challenges. You'll learn about his "farm system" of developing talent and the creative ways he rewards his team. You'll pick up a few other gems of wisdom along the way.

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Rev. Roy Hill, Discipleship Pastor of Dayspring Baptist Church in Mobile, AL shares his insights about building a great staff. You'll learn the role of humility and importance of patience when it comes to building a great staff. He also describes his church's unique leadership structure which has three Lead Pastors. Hear how this arrangement is being employed with great results.

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Host Rob Couch interviews Dr. Bill Allen, Senior Pastor of First United Methodist Church of Canandaigua, NY. Bill has vast experience in both very large and small congregations in areas of Upstate New York. He is also half of a clergy couple. His wife Rev. Kristen Allen and he have served as co-pastors, but currently serve churches in two different nearby communities.

Bill shares how to navigate challenges of both small a...

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Rev. Elvyn Hamilton shares his experiences about church staffing from his church in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. His apostolic leadership at style at Quayle UMC invites staff to innovate and start new things.

Bumper Music was composed, performed, and recorded by David Couch.

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This week you'll learn from Dr. Olivia Poole, Senior Pastor of St. Luke's United Methodist Church in Enterprise, AL. Among other great insights, you'll learn the best ways to get the word out about open staff positions. You'll also learn some of her tricks of recruiting dynamic young staff and helping them develop into seasoned leaders. You'll also learn why there is a statue of a Boll Weevil insect in the ...

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In this episode host, Dr. Rob Couch interviews Dr. Jeff Chandler, Senior Pastor of First Presbyterian Church in Bakersfield, CA. You'll gain insights about how to bring out the best in church staff and also learn how to let a staff member go gracefully.
 Podcast bumper music composed, recorded, and produced by David Couch:

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In our first episode host, Rob Couch interviews Dr. Jay Cooper, Senior Pastor of First United Methodist Church in Montgomery, AL.  Dr. Cooper shares how his staff works together to foster an amazing church culture. Also, you'll learn about their college internship program which serves as a great farm system for future new staff.

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February 23, 2022 54 secs

This trailer highlights the new "Changing Churches Podcast" that offers wisdom for church leaders. The first episode launches Wednesday, March 9th, 2022, and a new episode will drop every Wednesday for the remainder of the season.

Experienced church leaders from around the country will share their wisdom each week about this season's challenging topic: church staffing. 

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